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Any chance Dok plays all his minutes and doesn't sit because of fouls? His defense was definitely necessary to beat Tennessee, but he must dial it back enough to stay in the game.

I think we need to get 32-34 minutes out of Doke. I think he can do that if not in foul trouble.

Any chance of a zone when Dok is off the floor?

I'm guessing the team worked more on no Doke OFFENSE than working on a zone without him. M2M D wasn't that bad without hime. Just rebounding was non existent. Offense on the other hand was a disaster. Only had one day to practice, so I don't expect much difference than Saturday's game

KU wearing orange T-Shirts in warm up. Very respectful. Now, kick the crap out of the Cowboys.

Braun getting the start tonight instead of Moss

Woodrow said:

Braun getting the start tonight instead of Moss

It’s because Braun has “ups” sorry for the horrible pun and if someone beat me to it. You deserve it Christian

Nice to see him getting a start. Could be big for his confidence, not that he lacks any

Game will start on time tonight. Thanks WBB

@BeddieKU23 Wonder how long it'll be before the men's game moves to quarters instead of halves...

Which 20% 3 point shooter goes off tonight?? They have a slew of brick layers capable

Devin?

Hip pointer

I predict another big game for downtown pistol pete braun

@Crimsonorblue22 He is still hurting if that is what you are asking.

Talking about dot playing bad against baylor

Not fran!

KU can't catch Baylor because Baylor beat Florida. ??

Hy head hurts already, espn.

Yup franny

Hide your ears!

@BeddieKU23 at least it's not Walton

I'm actually on a laptop, so no excuse for my typos

jessejayhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 at least it's not Walton

...or Dan Dakich

Layups man

Nice rebound o

Aaaand Braun gets the start. Moss starting ran out of runway. Self's comments made that clear before last game and at halftime.

Wide open jumpers. Gotta make some

Looks like Ochai is the zone buster in the middle

Brauns passes a littl shaky to start.

Wow

Not going to get better looks

Nice d

Bummer, tonight, a drawback of living in LA, ESPN bumps KU game to show Kobe’s last game in its entirety :-(

@StLJhawk espn 2

@StLJhawk it's on espn 2

Both teams blowing chunks from deep.

Yes it should be on ESPN 2

Oh no ochai

place is empty

Brick city. Probably time to get Moss in

BShark said:

Both teams blowing chunks from deep.

Understatement of the yr. Agbaji shooting at who knows what

Oh, they bumped the tennis! Yay for me!

Clank city

@StLJhawk find it?

Also I am shocked every team we play doesn’t zone

0-5 from 3.

Tennis fans are really pissed off

He was a pretty popular guy around here, but still glad to watch my hawks

I’ll bet both of those tennis fans are really bummed! Kidn of course

Would be interested to know Ochai's % from the corner as opposed to wing or top. Plus, we he is falling away like the last shot, it rarely goes in...

@DanR espn news

UPS

They just moved the Aussie Open to ESPN News for two hours...

espn hailing their own accolades right now. Way to go espn

DanR said:

espn hailing their own accolades right now. Way to go espn

Media love nothing more than talking about themselves

Nice lob from Garrett to Doke... oops

Up 7 but it doesnt feel real

For as much as Dotson does it’s pretty disappointing his outside jumper has seemingly gotten worse.

Woodrow said:

For as much as Dotson does it’s pretty disappointing his outside jumper has seemingly gotten worse.

Haha. Of course

Woodrow said:

Woodrow said:

For as much as Dotson does it’s pretty disappointing his outside jumper has seemingly gotten worse.

Haha. Of course

Please keep saying all the bad things about Dot’s shooting 😂

Fake foul

Tristan yikes

Jeez. Moss so timid out there

Holy soft calls Batman

Why is Dotson guarding mcgruff are you serious self

all tristan needs to do is set screens and rebound

DanR said:

all tristan needs to do is set screens and rebound

All? Yes, he needs to do those things...

@BeddieKU23 switch?

Downtown Braun!

UPS TIME

Braun

Wtf enaruna

They cranking the heat there? We're all sweating our ass off.

Lol osu refs here

BeddieKU23 said:

Wtf enaruna

What was he doing as the ball is bouncing freely?!!

Woodrow said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Wtf enaruna

What was he doing as the ball is bouncing freely?!!

Nothing it looked

21% chris harris. Yup of course

Announcers keep saying Brown, but I'd pronounce Braun like Brawn. Who's right?

Braun is how you pronounce it in German.

BeddieKU23 said:

21% chris harris. Yup of course

OSU has stunk up the joint and we are only up by 8.

brown

Nothing more predictable then OSU Refs calling charges

DCHawker said:

DanR said:

all tristan needs to do is set screens and rebound

All? Yes, he needs to do those things...

He doesn't know the offense. I don't expect him to post up anyone, and he clearly doesn't know how to pick and roll

Guy couldn't have been more out of position for a charge but sure man keep telling yourself you made the right decision. Just replayed, not one foot set. So bad

DanR said:

DCHawker said:

DanR said:

all tristan needs to do is set screens and rebound

All? Yes, he needs to do those things...

He doesn't know the offense. I don't expect him to post up anyone, and he clearly doesn't know how to pick and roll

I was being facetious - agree that we shouldn't expect or don't want him to do much. I would like him to rebound, set picks and play a modicum of defense...

Watch that call be a big one now

Tristan is very much not ready.

OSU 3-17 and we're only up 8... make that 14...

Oh that ref has a nice hardon

Moss wyd

Ok, Tristan can shoot threes too!

ugly but good

Sup Tristan

Wow

3 pt shooting team!

Why is this game so ugly? I blame their halloween colored court.

Wow

This game is incredibly stupid, Okie Lite is megabadzilla.

14 pt lead...more like it.

approxinfinity said:

Braun is how you pronounce it in German.

BTW, notice how many national media guys have mispronounced De Sousa's name after the KSU fiasco?

Funny thing is, that's probably the most pub he'll ever get in his career.

I thought it was goose neck?

I'll take any 3 we can make who's the guy that banked a 3 off the other side of the rim. Let him shoot all night

BShark said chance Moss could transfer back to Iowa?

Moss wyd

We called it putting your hand in the cookie jar, u?

@nwhawkfan and Devon, Devin

3 and elite d a champion does make.

I'll take that look from Anei all day.

UPS

Moss!

Braun with the player bank!

Hoping Braun broke fingers on that throw

Wall of Doke

@approxinfinity Shakespeare?

Feed Doke. He needs to eat

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Hoping Braun broke fingers on that throw

out for blood tonight? I dont like Lindy Waters. I can't remember what non-basketball bs he did a few years back to a Jayhawk, but it was trash.

Are we really going to waste a ridiculously hot three shooting night on this game.... OR will this be the new norm? HmmMM?

Could Okie Lite beat Topeka YMCA?

They switched out of zone. Self is like okay let's get that Doke dunk play

OSU is 4-23 and 1-10. It's difficult to miss that many shots...

I thought waters , griff and dsdgjklllfds could shoot lights out on us

FarmerJayhawk said:

Could Okie Lite beat Topeka YMCA?

Would be very heated.

@DCHawker lol

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I thought waters , griff and dsdgjklllfds could shoot lights out on us

They have in the past dont jinx it lol

DCHawker said:

OSU is 4-23 and 1-10. It's difficult to miss that many shots...

I'm crediting the thread title.

I like that Doke is blocking shots and taking it instead of swatting it out of bounds

@DanR perfect

DanR said:

I like that Doke is blocking shots and taking it instead of swatting it out of bounds

Withey was insane at this.

Lucky Dot didn’t pick up #3

They better get to halftime with a double digit lead

Agbaji with 2 dipshit possessions

Dot bad pass

Woodrow said:

They better get to halftime with a double digit lead

Seems unlikely

Joke

Doke still doesn’t have a shot

CALL A TIMEOUT

@DanR Bill Walton rants about that a lot. I agree.

get the ball to Doke, good lord

Damn Ochai needs to stop shooting the ball. He's off tonight.

@BeddieKU23 Bill doesn't call timeouts this year. He gave them up for New Years.

Also, Dot. Stop picking up your dribble.

That 11-0 run came out of nowhere...

There we go.

Little late on the TO Bill

Sure self that's ON YOU

A college game preempted - not a pro game mind you (which no pro game will be), but college - in order to wax sadly about Kobe, his daughter and the others which was a tragedy. We have been gorging on the sad news for two days, leave programming alone - that is unless ESPN decides to instead not televise NBA games, which ofcourse it will not do - an all too obvious and sad money grab.

approxinfinity said:

@BeddieKU23 Bill doesn't call timeouts this year. He gave them up for New Years.

Great just what we wanted another roy

wtf

That was always a fake lead. We havent gave a crap on offense making fools gold 3s

8 straight empty trips...

@Marco espn2

These are wide open misses.

Everything’s rushed

They are going to let the pokes hang around all game.

Like our guys thought the game was already over. Blow a 17 lead in 3 minutes

Zero poise they are literally chucking the game

Moss needs to make 3s

Garbage call on Doke

Holy meltdown

Dotson is garbage tonight

went to hell when Dot came back in.

@StLJhawk Chuck Huck and Suck

Since when does a coach let a 7 footer dribble in the lane? When Dok dribbles his chance of scoring goes down to 0.

@BeddieKU23 Chuck Huck and Suck

Just a brutal last few minutes. What shots we did get off were ridiculously bad.

Doke sits the rest of the half and we are down at halftime

Up 17 points and then Self said whatev

Not just blaming dot, I don't know if the other guys just relax or what but he took zero control of the offense

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@approxinfinity not going to upvote that, but good point

Last 3-1/2 minutes.... 5 missed shots, 3 TOs, and 2 fouls

Always love getting Seth's garbage hot take

13-0 in 5 minutes is pretty impressive. sheesh

I'm sure anei is a 50% shooter

4 pt lead

Lol Dotson go sit down

Nice shot Dotson. Good god

no help D ?

BS call. Good D Tristan.

Garbage call on Enaruna

@BeddieKU23 74 actually

Garrett's passing tonight has been horrendous

Dotson yikes

Tristan going to foul out

Enaruna is what, 6'9? Come on kid, play inside once in a while.

The foul disparity is not noticeable or anything

truehawk93 said:

Tristan going to foul out

He might as well

Ku scoreless in 5 minutes

Ugh, Bill’s teams struggle here

Cant make your layups

So, is Self thinking "man, I wish I could play 2 bigs right now"?

OSU has lost 3 in a row at home. Scored all of 41 points on WVU at home. And, we give up a 15-0 run to them???

Beautiful shot MG.

Just make a basket. Wow 15-0 run

This is the exact same shit that's happened 4 out of the last 6 yrs

Big Clyde52 said:

Beautiful shot MG.

Did he even look at the basket???

Can't hit a damn FT

Geez

Can't even rebound now

Yay! Got a point

We're off 24, that's good

@dylans Wave the wheat!

Ochai oh no

Ochai driving... yiiiikes

Wow

Agbaji just hail maryed a shot like Charlie moore

THought maybe this was the game to get the poke monkey off Self's back....

truehawk93 said:

THought maybe this was the game to get the poke monkey off Self's back....

Nope

KU and missing tip in bunnies name a more iconic duo.

There's that guy, Dotson!

BeddieKU23 said:

truehawk93 said:

THought maybe this was the game to get the poke monkey off Self's back....

Nope

Calm down. We’re fine

Enaruna has been garbage time

Wow Dotson it only took u 7 minutes to figure it out

Hope Dave and Silvio are happy with themselves

and one.

Jank ready to play

Its so bad a walk on is playing

Definitely a bit of the home whistle

@DanR Hell why not...put them in

Damn, atleast I didn't miss much - 27, 24

Jank should have taken that shot, but Braun made up for it

UPS

@Marco You do know it's on ESPN2 right?

UPS might have saved this game

DanR said:

Jank should have taken that shot, but Braun made up for it

Yep. He was nervous as heck.

Great play by CB

Finally and mr B once again, I like this guy

wissox said:

@Marco You do know it's on ESPN2 right?

Yeah,,, I do. Thanks.

Let's get out of this half and Self needs to tear them all a new one...terrible...they are NOT a top 5 team

@truehawk93

Calm down. I need to as well. We take a yearly dump here

Yeah, Ok St's offense is hotter garbage than ours. With Doke in they can't beat us the way they're playing.

geez

I have fewer worries with Jank out there than I do with Tristan or Moss sometimes, TBH

truehawk93 said:

Let's get out of this half and Self needs to tear them all a new one...terrible...they are NOT a top 5 team

Well with 7 guys we’re not great

@truehawk93 That is an understatement.

I still can t believe that we gave up 15 straight points to these guys. And we didn't even sniff a basket during that time.

@Hawk8086

It's not like we have done this same exact thing here before have we?

Doke was the only one of our 7 that hasn't scored. Who'd a thunk that...

Garrison Brooks has established himself the last couple games for UNC.

Give OSU some credit for completely taking Doke out of the offense. Hope to see some adjustments

Having to play Enaruna and a walk-on didn't help. Refs fouling us up when we have 7 scholarship players basically.

@Hawk8086 Typical KU. NO killer instinct!!!

BShark said:

Having to play Enaruna and a walk-on didn't help. Refs fouling us up when we have 7 scholarship players basically.

Well, having just 7 is on us not the refs...

approxinfinity said:

Garrison Brooks has established himself the last couple games for UNC.

You know the accpn network is craving to talk about a 2 game win streak against non tournament teams

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DCHawker said:

BShark said:

Having to play Enaruna and a walk-on didn't help. Refs fouling us up when we have 7 scholarship players basically.

Well, having just 7 is on us not the refs...

Yeah your right. Our two best players have not played smart at all.

We basically have 4 players playing well, 3 of which are in foul trouble, and 3 other players that aren't playing well.

@FarmerJayhawk Really? This is what makes a top 5 team. You're good enough to play with 7. I think Vols are better than the pokies. This team needs to suck it up and play. The 7 playing have to be good enough to EARN that 3 spot. This is gut check time. This team has to grind it out. They have to know the pokies were coming out swinging because they have absolutely nothing to lose.

As for the 7? Again, thank Dave and Silivo, but don't make excuses for this group playing like azz.

approxinfinity said:

We basically have 4 players playing well, 3 of which are in foul trouble, and 3 other players that aren't playing well.

Which 4 played well in the first half????

@DCHawker Braun, Garrett, Dotson and Doke.

Other than Braun nobody played well. Garrett was OK

McGriff and Likekele keeping them in the game without Waters and Dziagwa. Better hope neither get hot from!!!

@Big-Clyde52 Watch out that might invoke thug life that lies within..but no, they should've had this team down with no life

Garrett is 2 points away from being on pace for a triple double. I think he's playing well.

approxinfinity said:

@DCHawker Braun, Garrett, Dotson and Doke.

Think I agree with @Woodrow

Doke zero shots and like ONE rebound. -- Doke zero & Dotson Dotson 4.

Oklahoma State not going to keep shooting 3's like that all night don't think

We're good the second half, Coach had to play the foul game.

@truehawk93 what?

Give Okie St some credit for uglifying the game. Packing the paint and daring us to shoot. Being physical and putting us in foul trouble.

@jayballer73 Dok 3 rebs 2 blocks

Dok can’t play worse offensively, so it should get better. 🤞

Part of it is OSU's gameplan but Doke taking 0 shots is brutal. For as good as he has been he still basically has to be assisted the ball directly to score. You can't really count on him to score with his back to the basket especially when the other team has the guys to body him up.

Ok let me rephrase. 4 guys that understand what it takes to win this game.

Love Braun..he's got to be the man tonight

BeddieKU23 said:

@Hawk8086

It's not like we have done this same exact thing here before have we?

Lots of other places, too...

truehawk93 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Really? This is what makes a top 5 team. You're good enough to play with 7. I think Vols are better than the pokies. This team needs to suck it up and play. The 7 playing have to be good enough to EARN that 3 spot. This is gut check time. This team has to grind it out. They have to know the pokies were coming out swinging because they have absolutely nothing to lose.

As for the 7? Again, thank Dave and Silivo, but don't make excuses for this group playing like azz.

Wow you read waaaaaay more into that than you should’ve.

Oh,,, in case you guys are wondering,, I haven't yet subscribed - and probably won't - to ESPN+ Lmao

@Marco no need tonight. It’s on espn2

@Marco Good for you. I am with you.

Marco said:

Oh,,, in case you guys are wondering,, I haven't yet subscribed - and probably won't - to ESPN+ Lmao

na I wasn't wondering lol

The damn media thought Ochai was turning the corner. Lets hope Braun and Moss heat up. Doke needs to work. Garrett needs to be Mr Utility. Dotson needs to lead.

Braun is comfortable moving laterally when he shoots 3s. Kid is a natural shooter.

dylans said:

@Marco no need tonight. It’s on espn2

Lol, I know @Crimsonorblue22 @wissox and several others have already told me... Thanks. I'm watching.

Moss just has to come out of that dam funk. -- course this is what I had heard on him. - -One night might be hot and scored well , other nights not so much. If he misses his first couple of shots you can almost bet it's not happening

Love Brauns tenacity and fight. He's got a little Mason in him.

Marco said:

dylans said:

@Marco no need tonight. It’s on espn2

Lol, I know @Crimsonorblue22 @wissox and several others have already told me... Thanks. I'm watching.

Hey Marco it's on ESPN 2 LOL

Gawd I loved Moss in Norman. He freakin lit up the Sooners.

approxinfinity said:

Braun is comfortable moving laterally when he shoots 3s. Kid is a natural shooter.

And he has no fear. Have you noticed that his demeanor never changes?

Braun is the real deal.

We need to hit at least 35% from three the rest of this game (not from Garrett at the last second on the shot clock). OSU is playing 3 on Doke, so that takes away the drive/lob...

Could be interesting.

truehawk93 said:

The damn media thought Ochai was turning the corner. Lets hope Braun and Moss heat up. Doke needs to work. Garrett needs to be Mr Utility. Dotson needs to lead.

I think the Tenn game was the aberration - Ochai was just bad the previous 4 games and this one resembles those...

Bill’s going to scheme some stuff up for Doke. He’s been lights out down the stretch in games

@DCHawker Can't put my finger on Ochai. The kid is a sick athlete.

good lob, bad jam

truehawk93 said:

@DCHawker Can't put my finger on Ochai. The kid is a sick athlete.

He is an athlete - not really (yet) a basketball player...

truehawk93 said:

@DCHawker Can't put my finger on Ochai. The kid is a sick athlete.

He lacks basketball abilities mostly.

Gotta get the big fella involved, we look tired. Which doesn’t surprise me with Saturday’s game and the high of hitting everything early.

Great cant even dunk

6 of 19 from was not fire

Bill can draw em up but he can't make the dunks lol

For us it was lol

By the way (and not to get this thread sidetracked), Rest In Peace, Kobe...

Ochai’s footwork on his shot is iffy

Ochai shot is so ugly

Make Braun a volume shooter. Agbaji can skip there. Just hang his hat on smothering d and rebounding hard.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Ochai’s footwork on his shot is iffy

It's not iffy - it's just bad...

I'd take five Brauns on one team all five positions

Sure waters

Money! Braun!

Braun

Until they lock down Braun feed him.

BeddieKU23 said:

Sure waters

Yeah I'm very okay with that look.

Mr B again!

Boom!

shut up fran

What the fudge

Around him to me

You suck ref

Bad call

TRASH

holy hell, they called that a charge. WHAT

Bullshit

There is nothing a player can do

@approxinfinity All night

Sure ref

Refs blow

Man, guys, I hate playing Okie State.

DanR said:

holy hell, they called that a charge. WHAT

Even pivots his body around

Hey we got a call. Weird

WHOA THEY CALLED THAT

Dotson

Weebles Wabble and the Cowboys fall down.

Huh, they didn’t call it on us

Agbaji charming soft at the rim and the free throw line

Feed the monster inside.

@BeddieKU23 I thought you were complimenting his soft touch.

Boom Braun!

ups my god

The rims sound terrible and the TV lighting even worse...and orange...my goodness.

Ref hated to call that out of bounds on pokey

Moss

That's crazy

Mr B

Here we go

Had doke for a dunk and cans a 30 footer

Lol. that time, Braun had Doke's entry pass there with a sealed man and single coverage... nahhhh

Hidden gem and total gym rat Christian Braun, my column:

Gawd this poke team sucks

BShark said:

Hidden gem and total gym rat Christian Braun, my column:

Mixtape coming

BShark said:

Hidden gem and total gym rat Christian Braun, my column:

Sneaky athletic? High basketball IQ? Was his dad a coach by chance?

Ah, 11 is nice

Braun and Moss 1-2 punch

Mossy🦠

StLJhawk said:

Ah, 11 is nice

21 would be nicer

Braun's shoulders don't really look like they can carry a team...

Now stretch that lead out!!! Lets see some kill!!!

BeddieKU23 said:

StLJhawk said:

Ah, 11 is nice

21 would be nicer

69 nicer

I'll fully prepared for 4 years of Braun.

@approxinfinity

Yes yes and more yesses

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

Hidden gem and total gym rat Christian Braun, my column:

Sneaky athletic? High basketball IQ? Was his dad a coach by chance?

Hit all the highlights here.

The funny thing is Braun is quite athletic, but he is white so the word sneaky will be used from time to time.

So how's the weather?

Ochai and Garrett found their role tonight in this game, REBOUNDS

24 minutes in and still zero points from Doke...

DCHawker said:

24 minutes in and still zero points from Doke...

And a 11 pt lead. Is that good for ku or bad for osu

@DCHawker look at Braun's legs. tree trunks. prob 5% body fat. They guy is a freak and has the stud gene. He can carry it, man.

Whats up with Doke?

DCHawker said:

Braun's shoulders don't really look like they can carry a team...

By his SR year his shoulders might be looking like Bruce Banner's.

DCHawker said:

24 minutes in and still zero points from Doke...

3>2 :fire: :ok_hand:

Ok show of hands please. - -Who here would off thought Christian Brown would play as a huge role and produced like he has this yr as a freshman - -go ahead - stand up - - NOT ME

Sup Billy Eugene

There is little chance braun doesnt start next season so either a 5 star sits or yeah 4 guards

truehawk93 said:

Whats up with Doke?

Boynton is making KU hit shots to win. He is saying he is fine with everyone but Doke beating him.

Double stuff that lead and take the wind out of the pokes

I think that Moss will be fine, contributing on average one or two, sometimes even three threes a game, and on the defensive end. But he is not a volume scorer, whereas Braun is.

BeddieKU23 said:

There is little chance braun doesnt start next season so either a 5 star sits or yeah 4 guards

Garrett, Thompson, Braun, Agbaji, Dave.

DanR said:

@DCHawker look at Braun's legs. tree trunks. prob 5% body fat. They guy is a freak and has the stud gene. He can carry it, man.

And he’s got a good mom pushing him too!

Hello Marc G.

@BShark I really respect Boynton

Braun rebound, nice

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

There is little chance braun doesnt start next season so either a 5 star sits or yeah 4 guards

Garrett, Thompson, Braun, Agbaji, Dave.

Couldn't agree more.

@Marco Also damn, that line-up will be salty.

Sweet doke

breathing easier

BShark said:

@Marco Also damn, that line-up will be salty.

You got it.

Please shoot from that spot all game Anei.

full throttle

GOOD D!!!

Great D! Doke🔥

@DCHawker There's 2

BShark said:

Please shoot from that spot all game Anei.

Looking forward to Thompson joining next year, bigtime.

Moss needs to deliver some daggers

Keep this pace going.

Remember that time we gave up a 17 point lead. Me neither I have dimentia

Surprised homey refs didn’t call us

Dotsons +/- is going to be wild this game

don't look back until after the buzzer

Marco said:

BShark said:

Please shoot from that spot all game Anei.

Looking forward to Thompson joining next year, bigtime.

Every single video out there screams stud

No bagel for Doke... What this game shows is that he is actually more important on the defensive end. I think that he has dramatically improved...

BeddieKU23 said:

Remember that time we gave up a 17 point lead. Me neither I have dimentia

The drop-off when we put in Tristan is INSANE and Moss certainly has his issues as well. This is the best 5 we have, even when Dave is back but being able to bring in Dave to give Doke a breather will be nice.

@DCHawker stud!

THomspon kid has a super stroke

Oh,,,, by the the way, everyone.... I was bigtime wrong about Garrett.

@BShark

We definitely need Dave especially mentally and for rotations

But, we need moss to get better

@BeddieKU23 https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=walking%20bucket ↗

StLJhawk said:

Surprised homey refs didn’t call us

🤫

truehawk93 said:

THomspon kid has a super stroke

He is an all around stud self basically has lost his lunch talking about how excited he is to coach him

Crimsonorblue22 said:

But, we need moss to get better

He is who he is at this point. Braun however has room for rapid growth. Agbaji too.

@BeddieKU23 I was shocked at Dave's behavior because he is so calm and humble

@Marco you aren't the only one, at least u admitted it

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Remember that time we gave up a 17 point lead. Me neither I have dimentia

The drop-off when we put in Tristan is INSANE and Moss certainly has his issues as well. This is the best 5 we have, even when Dave is back but being able to bring in Dave to give Doke a breather will be nice.

I know, Enaruna seems to be regressing.

How much are we gonna miss Doke in the post next year, I wonder.

I want Moss to pull a Malik Newman and win us a couple big games in the tourney.

I’m gonna be pissed if Braun doesn’t start the rest of the year, the kid has earned it.

approxinfinity said:

How much are we gonna miss Doke in the post next year, I wonder.

Dramatically

@DanR HE is very Newman like

approxinfinity said:

How much are we gonna miss Doke in the post next year, I wonder.

LOTS

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Marco you aren't the only one, at least u admitted it

I always admit when I am wrong @Crimsonorblue22

@approxinfinity 😢

Another foul called? Maybe the refs are giving up

Marco said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Remember that time we gave up a 17 point lead. Me neither I have dimentia

The drop-off when we put in Tristan is INSANE and Moss certainly has his issues as well. This is the best 5 we have, even when Dave is back but being able to bring in Dave to give Doke a breather will be nice.

I know, Enaruna seems to be regressing.

He was never great so I am not sure about that. He will make some plays you just can't teach especially due to his length but he is lost in terms of knowing what to do and how to play.

@DanR Moss is just a shooter, though. Malik was a 5 star recruit out of HS for a reason.

17 points

Ochai wyd. Enaruna is just 18. He’ll figure it out

Up 17 again monkaS

FarmerJayhawk said:

Ochai wyd. Enaruna is just 18. He’ll figure it out

I have high hopes for Enaruna, to be clear. Just nowhere near ready this year to be a stud. Potential is there.

@approxinfinity true, but I'll take a strategic 8/10 three point game in the regional final from Moss

What a cheap ass call

Did I hear fran will b at wv for our game🤬

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

Marco said:

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

A rich man’s MJ

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Did I hear fran will b at wv for our game🤬

He wants to personally hand over the 25k check to Huggins.

@BShark Tristan and Braun will be lethal in the nest 2-3 years

I'm officially weirded out. I'm 61 years old and if live another 61 years, I will never understand why they dont fill the stands in Stillwater- no matter where they're ranked or who they're playing.

Marco said:

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

Hinrich good maybe even better who knows

Marco said:

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

A first team AA.

truehawk93 said:

@BShark Tristan and Braun will be lethal in the nest 2-3 years

I'm stoke for Jalen too. He's the kinda guy that has a quiet 16 ppg as a JR.

Doke again on the soft put

MARC G

Bill Self exasperated face. DRINK

Okie lite has some real clanking rims to go with some real clanking shooters

Keep stretching it out. Kill any thought of them getting back in it.

@StLJhawk doke making good decisions, soft 🤚🏾🤚🏾

@Marco 4 years older

Our two leading scorers tonight so far - Braun and Moss...

approxinfinity said:

Marco said:

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

A first team AA.

Braun reminds me of this guy

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Ochai a sterling 1-8...

nuleafjhawk said:

I'm officially weirded out. I'm 61 years old and if live another 61 years, I will never understand why they dont fill the stands in Stillwater- no matter where they're ranked or who they're playing.

lots of other stuff going on in Stillwater

DCHawker said:

Our two leading scorers tonight so far - Braun and Moss...

Sometimes that's a great thing to see, especially on the road

@BeddieKU23 I noticed that too, WD 40

Bill Self reminds of a McPoyle when he starts compulsively licking his lips
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Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BeddieKU23 I noticed that too, WD 40

Feels like it's been that way for years

Both Tristan and Jalen will be very good, it may not be til their juniors. I personally think we have a chance to be better next season.

Permanent starter Christian Braun?

BShark said:

Permanent starter Christian Braun?

Cement

BShark said:

Permanent starter Christian Braun?

:hundred_points: he'll have to stop playing well to lose it. and that's not going to happen. Self was at the end of his rope with Moss.

You think its Dotson/Garrett/Agbaji/Dave/Doke when Dave's back?

Boom Moss!!!

12 - 5 in Assists for us...is that cause they are shooting poorly or because they aren't assisting on their shots?

@truehawk93 I think Braun will be better than Svi at least defensively very soon. Braun is a threat to Boschee’s 3 point record

No one recognized Fran either, keep that in mind.

Braun seems to be answering the 4 guard lineup question. He’s a starter the rest of the year to me.

@approxinfinity That's not creepy at all

approxinfinity said:

BShark said:

Permanent starter Christian Braun?

:hundred_points: he'll have to stop playing well to lose it. and that's not going to happen. Self was at the end of his rope with Moss.

You think its Dotson/Garrett/Agbaji/Dave/Doke when Dave's back?

I hope we start Braun over Dave and go mainly just one big.

Fran making bill look bad!

It is our D.

Hahahaha makeup call

Bwag said:

12 - 5 in Assists for us...is that cause they are shooting poorly or because they aren't assisting on their shots?

I think its more that they're shooting poorly.

Fans sit down. Doke was fouled

What a lob!!!

Love it

Well, there's the Ochai we know and love

I so thought Doke getting that from 10 feet that he'd flick it in

Better looking shot tbh

That'll get Agbaji going.

And another call for us

Ochai misses as badly on the pass as he does his shot...

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Fran making bill look bad!

Fran is a washed out never was coach

oops D

kjayhawks said:

@truehawk93 I think Braun will be better than Svi at least defensively very soon. Braun is a threat to Boschee’s 3 point record

Braun looks better than Svi to me. The biggest difference will be defense. Remember when Iowa State abused Svi on D for like 5000 straight possessions?

Stuff and steal!

so that should be a basket but not a shot attempt...just saying

truehawk93 said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Fran making bill look bad!

Fran is a washed out never was coach

He just wishes he was half the coach of Bill Self

Nice effort Moss!

Moss is playing hard tonight, I like that

@FarmerJayhawk and then helped we got a little lucky then too.

Doke playing nowhere near the bucket on O

throttle down through the buzzer, no more MR NICE GUY

truehawk93 said:

@approxinfinity That's not creepy at all

lol i guess people dont get the reference.

I started watching It's Always Sunny again.

StLJhawk said:

Doke playing nowhere near the bucket on O

I've taken my shots at Boynton but his plan has been solid tonight, just lacks the dudes.

Boynton may be the most underrated coach in D1 bball

They are holding Doke on every trip

We're not trying very hard to get it to Doke this half. Lots of single coverage. I'm glad though. We're shooting. We're going to win seeing it as the primary option.

Weak side wide open

Braun has 8 rebounds. Garrett has 8 rebounds and 9!!! assists.

kjayhawks said:

They are holding Doke on every trip

This is Doke's life lol

kjayhawks said:

They are holding Doke on every trip

He does not lack for physical affection

Mr B steal and the foul!

Braun has terminated OSU.

Give it up Fran. KC is a majority KU town.

With all due respect, and no malice...what the hell is wrong with Waters' eye...anyone? someone? seriously...WTH

@DanR anything that doesn't involve alcohol or brothels?

@BShark Good choice him not going to MU.

And he freaking helped saved a life! Fran

Braun has been the best player on the floor tonight, followed close by Garrett

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Braun is only getting better and ME LIKEY

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Hot take 101

Big Clyde52 said:

@BShark Good choice him not going to MU.

I don't even think they were an option. I heard KSU or OU before KU got involved.

Ok so I might be overstating things BUT sorry I am just stunned by the progression by Braun

I would really like our #2 if he would either spell or pronounce his name correctly.

@FarmerJayhawk OH MAN, now inquiring minds wanna know

Havent liked waters since he was a freshman in Lawrence acting like a punk

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Hot take 101

I try to really bring the heat

@truehawk93 He likes to LARP Monopoly with a transition lens monacle.

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

No worries about helicopters either, she might coach him harder than Bill lol.

@jayballer73 go check out his senior year highlight vid. He's fearless.

@BShark @Big-Clyde52 anyone that has an offer from another power 5 school would be a fool to go to Fizzou.

approxinfinity said:

@truehawk93 He likes to LARP Monopoly with a transition lens monacle.

STOP...SERIOUSLY, I heard it was some kind of defect?

Still not sure why Doke is hanging so far away from the bucket? Not even approaching, can’t be totally D is it?

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Hot take 101

I try to really bring the heat

So your sayin shes a scorcher?

Oh man. Is Eddie Sutton alive??

truehawk93 said:

approxinfinity said:

@truehawk93 He likes to LARP Monopoly with a transition lens monacle.

STOP...SERIOUSLY, I heard it was some kind of defect?

haha, not sure :)

Eddie... hanging in there

FarmerJayhawk said:

Oh man. Is Eddie Sutton alive??

Yup

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Oh man. Is Eddie Sutton alive??

Yup

From looking at him I wasn’t sure

Beautiful DDot-Moss

@DanR makes me sad to see him like that

Isaiah Moss

My god coach Sutton looks bad. Breaks my heart. That place was rocking and great competition in the late 90s/ early 00s

approxinfinity said:

truehawk93 said:

approxinfinity said:

@truehawk93 He likes to LARP Monopoly with a transition lens monacle.

STOP...SERIOUSLY, I heard it was some kind of defect?

haha, not sure :)

It looks like a glass eye and freaks me out

Smokin nice pass

@FarmerJayhawk you should see the 93 (I think) army vet at my mom's church. He's GREAT btw.

Looks and sounds like that last break gave the OSU fans a chance to bail. Mighty quiet now.

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Hot take 101

I try to really bring the heat

So your sayin shes a scorcher?

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BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk you should see the 93 (I think) army vet at my mom's church. He's GREAT btw.

Have to love the olds!

Oklahoma State seems not good at getting the ball to go through the hoop. Should help our KP numbers back up...

approxinfinity said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Hot take 101

I try to really bring the heat

So your sayin shes a scorcher?

! ↗

OMG, he's a spot on male likeness of his mom...DAMN

Eddie is 83. People get old... he's a kansan!

BAM

We need to hold these jokers under 40

Now we can REALLY empty the bench

DanR said:

We need to hold these jokers under 40

WVU held them to 41 - would be nice to best that...

That rim needs some help

@DanR Won't happen with the walk ons.

Is that pater familia in the pic?

DCHawker said:

DanR said:

We need to hold these jokers under 40

WVU held them to 41 - would be nice to best that...

TCU held them to 40. This could be their first time under 40 but...I think there is too much time left plus walk-ons.

I think we should avoid passing the ball to walk on guards and let Doke dribble the ball up with 20 seconds to go.

Almost 30 pt lead ahh

Okay let's get Garrett and Doke triple doubles

approxinfinity said:

I think we should avoid passing the ball to walk on guards and let Doke dribble the ball up with 20 seconds to go.

NO!

Why do they look at him so?
Why does he look like he's about to go psycho? Or Francis?

I get the feeling the game may be out of hand when the announcers are reminiscing about their first jobs as newspaper boys.

approxinfinity said:

I think we should avoid passing the ball to walk on guards and let Doke dribble the ball up with 20 seconds to go.

Too soon..?

approxinfinity said:

I think we should avoid passing the ball to walk on guards and let Doke dribble the ball up with 20 seconds to go.

Lol I had a ptsd moment when Dok was dribbling earlier.

My dad played against Sutton in bucklin.

truehawk93 said:

approxinfinity said:

Marco said:

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

A first team AA.

Braun reminds me of this guy

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I think that Braun will be better. And I love me some Svi. Where is he now?

Moss defense has improved tonight

Marco said:

truehawk93 said:

approxinfinity said:

Marco said:

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

A first team AA.

Braun reminds me of this guy

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I think that Braun will be better. And I love me some Svi. Where is he now?

Svi's getting serious minutes in Detroit doing well!

Fran said earlier when Self got nominated that he should give it up to Sutton.

@Marco I hope not back in the Ukraine

get dotson out

DanR said:

get dotson out

Seriously.

Marco said:

truehawk93 said:

approxinfinity said:

Marco said:

Man, what will Braun be by senior year? Thoughts anyone?

A first team AA.

Braun reminds me of this guy

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I think that Braun will be better. And I love me some Svi. Where is he now?

Detroit I think?

This press I get both teams have starters in and there is 5 plus minutes left so you can work on something. Better than pressing against walkons with less than 2 to go like some idiot coaches.

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Texas Tech with 7 losses is so DANGEROUS

Hell, shoot me, but Braun might already be better than Svi.

36.7% from 3

Call me selfish (sadistic) but I'd really like to see us hold them under 40

approxinfinity said:

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Awesome, thanks!

Waters I believe is Cherokee Indian. I think around his eye is just loss of pigment. Not positive.

Enaruna is worse than a matador in the post...

Dang that was in and out for Tristan. His shot has looked cleaner tonight on release

Another broken dream....

Maybe they should invest in NCAA basketball rims in Stillwater - might help them out

@DCHawker

Certainly not a post player

@Crimsonorblue22 Lotttts of Native Americans down in Okie. Was down there again last year, just a different world in those small towns.

Bwag said:

Maybe they should invest in NCAA basketball rims in Stillwater - might help them out

I hear in Stillwater, these days those kinds of rims are Slim Pickens

BShark said:

kjayhawks said:

@truehawk93 I think Braun will be better than Svi at least defensively very soon. Braun is a threat to Boschee’s 3 point record

Braun looks better than Svi to me. The biggest difference will be defense. Remember when Iowa State abused Svi on D for like 5000 straight possessions

Braun has been the best player in how many games now?

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Really? Pics...? Lol....

@Marco he hasn’t been the worst player in any game

approxinfinity said:

Bwag said:

Maybe they should invest in NCAA basketball rims in Stillwater - might help them out

I hear in Stillwater, these days those kinds of rims are Slim Pickens

Guess a billion dollars doesn't go as far these days...

I've been imagining a senior year Braun Out for several weeks now. But I want a brown Braun Out t-shirt now!

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Really? Pics...? Lol....

Scroll up

Thinkin if he keeps this up, Mr B won’t make it to senior year

@FarmerJayhawk YES...he is with the the Pistons

approxinfinity said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Hot take 101

I try to really bring the heat

So your sayin shes a scorcher?

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Hmm.... Me like.

Damn it Bill, throttle down, no dribbling out the ball, PLEASE

truehawk93 said:

approxinfinity said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

PS. Braun’s mom is a real looker

Hot take 101

I try to really bring the heat

So your sayin shes a scorcher?

! ↗

OMG, he's a spot on male likeness of his mom...DAMN

Jesus Christ,, you just ruined it for me....

Gah that was almost awesome

Call the press off

I guess we are tired.

Jeez

Enaruna plays like a freshman. Agbaji plays like a sophomore.

Eruna mr clank tonight

Kind of ugly finish - 8-0 run for the Pokes...

yeah, great foul OSU

Shut up fran

I laughed

Where's Liberace when you need him?

Fran tell them before game, not after

So what's the health status of Sutton? Does he have a particular disease? Or just old age? Alcoholism?

Go up strong.

Yeah Teahan!

I guess dot needed the reps

DanR said:

I guess dot needed the reps

I don't get it either.

27 looks better then 17

Walk-ons in and they stop the pressure, taking coaching notes Weber?

Crap - we didn't start the Rock Chalk chant yet did we?

14-2 run for Pokes at the end...

EVERYONE BEHAVE

How many games, so far, has Christian been our best player?

15 point win. Should be 30+.

SHOOT IT TRISTAN

33% 3pt 80%FT

Solid win. Got it to 25, beyond that don’t really care

Maybe we can start shooting on our own basket as time expires to shake things up a bit.

Decent shorthanded win. Need Dave (and others) to step up against Tech.

Hope Braun keeps that upward trajectory going.

I'd love to piss off Vegas.

Boom.... Get Dave back next game. I like the second half (which is all I saw Lol).

Night all. LOVE YOU

Just following the announcers advice...

I really wish Braun could stay a starter.

Nice leg shot to end the game. .... Hot take lol

Yep. A road win is always good.

approxinfinity said:

I really wish Braun could stay a starter.

I think he does even with Dave back. Watch me be 100% wrong

mercy when KU went on their run , what OSU fans that WERE THERE -- guess they couldn't get out fast enough, place really emptied out and really , really quiet lol

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Shut up fran

Fran was taking it to KState for he brouhaha the other night.

@FarmerJayhawk He sure has earned it!

Bwag said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Shut up fran

Fran was taking it to KState for he brouhaha the other night.

He can't shut up. He's a moron.

@truehawk93 I find his commentary to be magically delicious.

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@Bwag he needs to tell them before the game!

@DanR Maybe it's better to let the starting point guard dribble out the clock than a seldom-used backup center.

Many are sensationalizing the whole mess. Keep stirring and it will smell worse than before...I guarantee you he thinks he has exclusive rights to that game.

@truehawk93 Yep, and frankly I could care less. KState started a fight. Next

His lil trip around town had us miss mosses 3. Less talk

@tundrahok Our point guard lost the game dribbling last month.

Big Clyde52 said:

@tundrahok Our point guard lost the game dribbling last month.

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You know looking back...has anyone wondered why in the hell was Silvio that high and in the corner, dribbling the damn ball at 6-9 like Dotson?

Done...moving on

@approxinfinity I know. I am sorry. Still sticks in my craw.

@approxinfinity Always after me lucky charms... "But who does #2 work for!!?"

approxinfinity said:

Maybe we can start shooting on our own basket as time expires to shake things up a bit.

We wouldn't have to worry about any going in if end if game tonite is any indication.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

His lil trip around town had us miss mosses 3. Less talk

I'm sorry.

mayjay said:

approxinfinity said:

Maybe we can start shooting on our own basket as time expires to shake things up a bit.

We wouldn't have to worry about any going in if end if game tonite is any indication.

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Rock Chuck, KU.

Okie St a lot of meaningless buckets in the end and a couple of walk on's in.

Over all pretty dam good defensive performance. - - Oklahoma St 28 % overall from the field -- 11 % from 3 point = =pretty impressive numbers.

Christian leading Scorer 16 points - -leading rebounder 9. - -Marcus 7 points , 9 assists and 8 rebounds pretty solid - Doke only 6 points but 7 rebounds and 5 blocks

@jayballer73 yeah our d was good. Okie St can't shoot, but our D was really good second half.

Osu thx for showing Weber some class at the end of the game!

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Best thing about this win tonight was.....

A: Braun breakout

B: A decisive win in Stillwater, finally.

C: Undeniable evidence supporting 4 guard.

D : Balanced team win.

E: _____

@bskeet E: All of the above!!

Crazy to think of how much of massacre this game could’ve been had we not fell a sleep in the first half for the final 8 minutes going scoreless in almost 6 of those and just hanging out the last 4 minutes. May have an 80 to 45 type deal.

@FarmerJayhawk I honestly think Self has known that he would be at a 4 guard lineup by the end of the year after about 3 games. But he was seeing whom out of Braun, Moss and Tristan was going to emerge and not giving them the spot til it was earned, we have played more with 4 guards tho we usually started 3.

@approxinfinity my disgust with Fran went down considerably after he said that Love for KSU showed more effort in that brawl than his previous 3 years in Methattan.

@bskeet can win w/dot sitting on the bench for mins

Exciting to see last night, 17 point first half lead dismantled. Dotson & Doke on the bench & Braun makes a critical bucket to end the half. KU comes out with a 20-3 run and says GOODNIGHT. Dotson was on the bench for most of this run which is encouraging to see that Garrett and the gang could run the game out of contention without their leading scorer on the floor. Very impressed to see them win in Stillwater. 4-0 in road games in conference play so far. Looking forward to Tech coming to town this weekend.

Look at these impressive stat lines

Doke- 6 points, 7 boards, 5 blocks

Garrett- 7 points, 9 assists, 8 boards

Braun- 16 points, 9 boards, 2 steals

PER's from last nights big win. Braun continues to be the 3rd best player on the team in conference play. Hope he keeps his starting spot, UPS has earned it.

OVERALL

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Conference PER's

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My gosh Ochai.

approxinfinity said:

My gosh Ochai.

He has been abysmal. Really been a letdown this year from what his expectations were. I doubt it will happen but hopefully he can find a spark coming down the stretch.

When we have outside shooting going we look really good. Our defense is so good that we can also withstand some bad offensive stretches. They are getting better.

Braun, any questions? Self starting Braun over Moss is a great sign. He's a freshman, surely some big ups and downs to come. But getting shooting into the mix, playing the 4/1, is our only chance to be NC contenders.

Losing Dave for a couple of games may be a blessing in disguise.

If Self goes back to starting Dave and moves Braun to the bench ... well, I'm not going to assume that for the moment.

It's not just who finishes. The first 8 minutes can be as important as any time in the game. As is anytime spent overlapping Dave's and Doke's PT thereafter.

The question now becomes whether moving Agbaji to the bench to start the game is the right move. Might be a good to try. A change ... any change ... can create a different dynamic. Without a fully functioning Agbaji, we are likely in real trouble (related to any chance at tourney progress). That would mean Moss starting instead. Not the long term trade out we want, but short term, to create some spark, it's worth a shot.

@HighEliteMajor

Self said after the game he would continue to start 4 guards even with Dave back. Whether Braun keeps it, who knows but he'd be crazy to take him out of the lineup after yesterday

Don't think we should discount the defensive dirty work Ochai has done this year. His offense definitely needs to come around but I don't think that's really his focus. I think next year his offense starts to flow a little better like Marcus has done this year. I think this team's strength is their defense and we should play to that strength.

Also, Enaruna isn't there yet but that kid has some defensive potential. He is just so long! I foresee many blocks, deflections and steals in his future.

@benshawks08 didn’t he have 5 boards?

@Crimsonorblue22 He did but I feel like all the rebounding numbers from last night are a little inflated. Sooo many bricks from both teams!

It's gotta be Braun instead of Moss in the 4-1. Leave Ochai. Defense gets better / a hot 3pt shooter.

Just curious as to y’all’s thoughts, but Big Dave needs playing time to prepare for next year. If he doesn’t start, he will only get time as a sub for Doke, when HCBS goes with 2 bigs or when KU is in a blowout.

Doke needs to play for his value to the team and his Pro development.

IMHO, Self is starting 2 bigs to get Dave court time. KU needs him next year and starting him is his development time.
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@benshawks08

Excellent point about Agbaji's defense. He's a permanent starter on this team because of what he brings at minimum defensively.

@benshawks08

Yeah he's got a ways to go before figuring it out. A few important things to note: he flashed at the beginning of the season and while he's struggled finding a role since the season has gone on he's gotten minutes that will help him going forward. His off-season should consist of shooting and more shooting

@BeddieKU23 I think he honestly has a good shot and I'd bet money he cans his fair share in practice. I think his work is more on the mental side of the game. For him his issues seem to be more about decision making, being in the right spot at the right time, and getting comfortable on the floor. Braun has progressed much more quickly in these areas and that's why he's doing what he is in Big 12 play. I believe Enaruna will be every bit the player Braun is long run and certainly has potential to be special.

Just spit ballin' here, but our team defense is excellent. Moss seems pretty good, not great.

We can't win a NC without Agbaji producing offensively, I'd suggest. Our chances are at least way diminished if he's in this ballpark of offensive production. His defense won't go away.

Therefore, we need to explore how to get his offense going. Many times going to the bench, losing a starting job, can inspire. Also, some players do play better off the bench.

There is really no risk in trying it. Seeing if we can grab a spark offensively from him.

HighEliteMajor said:

Just spit ballin' here, but our team defense is excellent. Moss seems pretty good, not great.

We can't win a NC without Agbaji producing offensively, I'd suggest. Our chances are at least way diminished if he's in this ballpark of offensive production. His defense won't go away.

Therefore, we need to explore how to get his offense going. Many times going to the bench, losing a starting job, can inspire. Also, some players do play better off the bench.

There is really no risk in trying it. Seeing if we can grab a spark offensively from him.

I would respectfully disagree - indeed, my spit ballin' is that if we have to rely on Ochai to score more, then THAT diminishes our chance of a NC. He is not anything close to an efficient offensive player. He's not a good ball handler (might even say below average for a wing), he isn't effective driving, and he is at best streaky from 3-pt range and that's being generous. IF Braun can be a consistent 8-10 ppg scorer, then we really don't need any more than that from Ochai. Rather than having him take bad shots (which he does too often), I'd rather see him get those points off a few set plays, i.e., alley-oops and back-door cuts, kick-outs to the arc where he has time to really square up, and put-backs on offensive rebounds.

He IS a very good athlete, which he uses to good effect on the defensive end. However, he is not a particularly good rebounder - especially for someone of his size and athleticism. If we are going to go principally 4-1, then we really need Ochai (or someone) to step up on the boards - that where we have a more urgent need. Unfortunately, in the last two games in which we only had one big - and not even that for long stretches - he didn't step up (in contrast to Garrett and in the last game, Braun).

With our defense, we don't need to score 80 ppg to win - 70 will get it done most nights. If we get 32 from Doke and Dot, and 8-10 each from Garrett, Braun, Ochai, and Moss, then we're at 68-72 and anything from Dave and Enaruna is gravy.

The bottom line is that while Ochai has demonstrated he is capable of a 20 pt game, he simply isn't skilled enough to score in double figures on a consistent basis, at least not efficiently, and I would rather not have to rely on him having to get there....

@DCHawker Well you obviously make good points. Maybe I'm still in preseason Agbaji mode. Braun has been the shooter I thought Agbaji would be so that's probably the right way to look at it (as you reference). If we have three threats from the arc (Dotson, Braun, and Moss) that is probably enough. I do have higher expectations for Agbaji though by quite a long way.

@DCHawker agree 100% let's see how far Braun can take us as the 3 pt guy and dial back Agbaji on o to the parts that come naturally

We need Ochai to play the role of Releford. Play lockdown perimeter D, make open 3’s. Don’t touch the ball. With the emergence of Garrett and to some degree Braun as legit ballhandlers we don’t need Ochai to so much of it since Self says we’re going 4 guards. Ochai will be the de facto 4

FarmerJayhawk said:

We need Ochai to play the role of Releford. Play lockdown perimeter D, make open 3’s. Don’t touch the ball. With the emergence of Garrett and to some degree Braun as legit ballhandlers we don’t need Ochai to so much of it since Self says we’re going 4 guards. Ochai will be the de facto 4

I feel Marcus has become a solid back up PG - had like 9 assists last night - -not to sure think zero turnovers. I still have all the confidence in the world for Ochai I think he is going to be just fine

Kind of Scary to think what we can be like next year going forward with the 4 guard line up with the addition of Thompson & Dave at the 5 with the other Big's to play back up. - -Kind of curious how Jalen fits I next year with the 4 guard?

@HighEliteMajor

What if the key is actually the development of Braun. I think Agbaji is so much like Selden his Soph year in a lot of ways, the consistency issues on offense compare. I think our defense would suffer trying him off the bench

Just to step back a moment...How many of us who attended KU in the 70's would have ever imagined all the anguish and lamentation about a #3 ranked team?

Those of you who started in the 80's and since have no idea the difference that extra 10 years of perspective can make! That is why I never get too disturbed by disappointments or too caught up in expectations. The joy of KU excelling these past 30 years will live as long as I do.

Okay, retrospective is done. Feel free to stress some more.

mayjay said:

Just to step back a moment...How many of us who attended KU in the 70's would have ever imagined all the anguish and lamentation about a #3 ranked team?

Those of you who started in the 80's and since have no idea the difference that extra 10 years of perspective can make! That is why I never get too disturbed by disappointments or too caught up in expectations. The joy of KU excelling these past 30 years will live as long as I do.

Okay, retrospective is done. Feel free to stress some more.

Oh I remember some of the Teddy years. - -Good recruiter for that time frame - -just couldn't Coach - - -I remember the Robisch , the Koeings years , the Kivisto years , the Nash years , The Pierre Russell years - -pretty decent players - - I remember years where you could buy a ticket and sooner then later during the game you could buy a ticket and then sit just about where you wanted

@mayjay That's a difference. Some are content with certain success. Some aren't. Some define success as just not being bad or average or just better than good, and thus are content with not achieving greatness. We've only been the "champion" once in the last three full decades. We've only achieved "greatness" once in 30+ seasons. That's ridiculous underachievement given our talent and two incredible hall of fame coaches and he level of our program. If our other successes provide contentment in the face of the alternatives for some, fine. But not for me.

HighEliteMajor said:

@mayjay That's a difference. Some are content with certain success. Some aren't. Some define success as just not being bad or average or just better than good, and thus are content with not achieving greatness. We've only been the "champion" once in the last three full decades. We've only achieved "greatness" once in 30+ seasons. That's ridiculous underachievement given our talent and two incredible hall of fame coaches and he level of our program. If our other successes provide contentment in the face of the alternatives for some, fine. But not for me.

I REALLY think you need to go into Coaching HighElite that way all our problems would be solved - -we would NEVER have to worry about National Championships EVER again - Championship every year Anything less will not be acceptable but not to wory , we have you at the helm Lot of Schools - - Lot's of ridiculous for everyone -- lots of under achievors lots of Schools wish as much if not more then ours, BUT we think we all have had this discussion before haven't we? - -Have yourself a great day - -GEEZ

@jayballer73 It's a mindset. If you don't live your life that way, that's fine. To each their own. There are some though that live their lives differently. Your choice is to mock that alternative mindset. But you respond in predictable fashion. We fashion ourselves in the same breath as UK, Duke, and UNC. Those are our peers. Heck, I've seen folks argue here that we're a better program than those others.

In the last three decades - UK 3 NCs; UNC 4 NCs; Duke 5 NCs. Kansas just one.

One can be happy and thankful but not satisfied.

@HighEliteMajor It does hurt that 3 of those UNC NCs are with our old coach. Three! The only coach to win 3 since Self has been at KU. Was it the UNC brand that pushed Roy over the top or did he just leave Kansas as he was hitting his prime coaching years?

I personally appreciate consistency so I wouldn't trade The Streak for one national championship and a trip to the NIT. But two NCs? I'd make that deal.

HighEliteMajor said:

@jayballer73 It's a mindset. If you don't live your life that way, that's fine. To each their own. There are some though that live their lives differently. Your choice is to mock that alternative mindset. But you respond in predictable fashion. We fashion ourselves in the same breath as UK, Duke, and UNC. Those are our peers. Heck, I've seen folks argue here that we're a better program than those others.

In the last three decades - UK 3 NCs; UNC 4 NCs; Duke 5 NCs. Kansas just one.

One can be happy and thankful but not satisfied.

and your choice is to constantly bitch and wine , So if your so un happy about the way the program is then what have you done? - -Have your E-Mailed the athletic Dept attention Coach Self ? - -Have you Called and spoke to Coach Self about how your un happy with what he has doe with the ELITE talent that we have had ? - - Have you taken the time and spoke With Coach about your dis-pleasure the way he has handled the program and his lack of success with the program? - Have you offered your services and told him you could give him some insight on how to make the program so much better and tell him how to win those Championships?

You come across to the point of that your thinking is that they just automatically drop these Championships in your lap , that it is just a given that when w decide we want a Championship then BAM/PRESTO/DONE.

Your always so quick to critize the program and it's lack of success, you don't think coach wouldn't love to win multiple Championships ? What you think the Coach and Staff just wake up some morning and say oh screw it , let's not win the Championship this year , I mean after all we have one ONE - - good to go? lmao Or you think these players just say ehhh WTF it's ok we won ONE Championship - who needs another ?

There is a lot that goes into someone winning a Championship - - your seeding , Health of the team , how your playing at that particular time , how the game goes , a turnover here , a turnover there , foul trouble -- The tourney is one MAJOR CRAP SHOOT, - A team can be dominant throughout the entire year and still not end up winning the Championship. - -One example would be , don't remember the year for sure but - -the UNLV team that went unbeaten throughout the entire season like 26-0 ? maybe? - total Domination with Larry Johnson that year - -you don't think they thought they wasn't winning that title? - What Happened ?

It just depends on who is on a roll at the time , again a crap shoot Hell if it is that easy you talk about all of the ELITE talent why hasn't UK - - UNC -- DUKE won even more then they have , these Schools have ELITE - -ELITE year after year after year , UK has either the top ranked class practically yearly , Duke right there too why haven't they won even more then they have - -ELITE talent right ? - -is it because of poor coaching? - How many Championships did Ol Roy win when he was at KU ? - -ZERO - he had Elite talent here.

Do you think KU was a dominant team the year with Danny when we won the Championship in 88? - - Hell no, yet we just got on a roll at the time , things feel in place for us. Higher rated teams/seeds got knocked off that year for us - - everything just feel into place. - -How many times in a normal year do you think we won the Championship with that team and players we had?

Hell ya everyone here would love for us to win more Championships then we have - -but we don't constantly talk crap about Coach -some are just never happy , be glad what w DO have. - -I know about 200 other Schools would love to have the success this School has and the Coach we have.

Bottom line is at the end of the day. Season - there is only ONE winner. , Everyone else ends up with a loss, or as some might think or believe losers - -Everyone can't end the Season with a Championship. - -If your so unhappy with the way Coach has done here lack of Success or Championships - -then why stay? - - or would you just hang around and whaler around in your misery and continue to bitch about what KU hasn't done? - just insane. Have a great day

@jayballer73 Deep breath ... one, two, three ... release.

Again, one can be happy and thankful, but not satisfied.

It's how folks achieve greatness in whatever they do. Kobe passed away. Do you think that guy was ever really satisfied with what he did? Do you think Self ever feels satisfied?

You, of course, completely ignore the point regarding the pursuit of ultimate success. Maybe wired differently. That's fine.

But the tourney is not one major crapshoot. A complete myth. In the last 30 years, UK, KU, Duke, and UNC have won 11 NCs. Over one-third of the titles. UConn won four times. A team (Florida) went back to back. And Nova won two of three. Of course, there's a lot of risk. Folks like to say crapshoot. But major programs win most every time. Michigan St., UCLA, Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Maryland.

In the last 30 years, there a have been no real Cinderella champs like NC State, KU or Nova in the 80s. Arizona won in 1997 (ugh) as a five seed. UConn though was a 7 seed in 2014 so that probably qualifies. So maybe one. The myth that is perpetuated about title winners is derived from the 80s. The last three decades is much different.

We perpetuate the myth because it's Self serving (yes, capital S). The myth helps Roy's legacy here, too.

No doubt, this isn't like the CFB alleged playoff where top teams are placed there. And the more games create greater risk. But when four teams have won 16 of the 30 titles (UConn, Duke, UNC, UK) and you chip in two others (Florida and Nova) that won two each, that's 20 of 30 or an amazing 66.7%, that completely defeats the Self-serving narrative. six teams won 2/3s of the titles. Think about that when you're shooting craps.

We've wildly underachieved .. WILDLY. Self more than Roy. Roy's first 5 seasons were not easy was what Self came into. Roy took a team that went on probation. But let's just treat them equally. We've wildly underachieved from NC standpoint over the last 30 seasons.

Truth.

Now, again, happy and thankful (very thankful), but not satisfied.

As an old friend used to say here, "capisce?"

Glass 1/4 empty versus 3/4 full.

HighEliteMajor said:

@jayballer73 Deep breath ... one, two, three ... release.

Again, one can be happy and thankful, but not satisfied.

It's how folks achieve greatness in whatever they do. Kobe passed away. Do you think that guy was ever really satisfied with what he did? Do you think Self ever feels satisfied?

You, of course, completely ignore the point regarding the pursuit of ultimate success. Maybe wired differently. That's fine.

But the tourney is not one major crapshoot. A complete myth. In the last 30 years, UK, KU, Duke, and UNC have won 11 NCs. Over one-third of the titles. UConn won four times. A team (Florida) went back to back. And Nova won two of three. Of course, there's a lot of risk. Folks like to say crapshoot. But major programs win most every time. Michigan St., UCLA, Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Maryland.

In the last 30 years, there a have been no Cinderella champs like NC State, KU or Nova in the 80s. Arizona won in 1997 (ugh) as a five seed. The myth that is perpetuated about title winners is derived from the 80s. The last three decades is much different.

We perpetuate the myth because it's Self serving (yes, capital S). The myth helps Roy's legacy here, too.

No doubt, this isn't like the CFB alleged playoff where top teams are placed there. And the more games create greater risk. But when three different teams have won 16 of the 30 titles (UConn, Duke, UNC, UK) and you chip in two others (Florida and Nova) that won two each, that's 20 of 30 or an amazing66.7%, that completely defeats the Self-serving narrative. six teams won 2/3s of the titles. Think about that when you're shooting craps.

We've wildly underachieved .. WILDLY. Self more than Roy. Roy's first 5 seasons were not easy was what Self came into. Roy took a team that went on probation. But let's just treat them equally. We've wildly underachieved from NC standpoint over the last 30 seasons.

Truth.

Now, again, happy and thankful (very thankful), but not satisfied.

As an old friend used to say here, "capisce?"

it's pointless trying to talk to you - - it's your story BUB you just keep riding with that - -hope you enjoy I see no sense in your failed sense of humor - one - -two - -breath my ass. ONE Kobie was very Satisfied thanks. Talking to you is like talking to a fricken blade of grass - oh wait might be better talking to the - -wait grass - - HEM - that is you isn't it? - - good -- ONE -- -TWO -- - THREE - - breathe GOD I enjoy people like you - -your so funny , I like that I really do - -Love the laugh you bring to me - -thank you so much for that - good for the Soul , are you in the comedian business ? - - NO ? - -dammit I hate it when that happens.

So anyways where were we again? - -Oh ya love the way to deflect - - and yes it is a crap shoot not matter how you try and twist it around to fit your story BUT again you just keep riding your pony ok - -whatever gets your boat to float ok - -or as a person I saw - - Capisce? - -thinks for the word for the day -- keep on telling your jokes - - I LOVE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR.

Now it's time to stop our lovely cross discussion ok? - Cause the other KU friends on here don't need to keep seeing the senseless babble - you hang on to your little train of thoughts - -I'm sure you will go far with it and I'll just mosey off into the sunset from this - okie doke ? - -Capisce? - -See good for you , you showed me an old word that I thought was long gone but how silly of me thank you so much. - -Now I know you will just HAVE to respond so go ahead - -get it over with so this little conversation is done.

Myself as all others I'm sure am growing old with this , I'm just saying it for others here Time to STOP. have a great day

@jayballer73 So I take it you don't agree with my opinion, my numbers, and the analysis of the last 30 years? I think that's what you're trying to say.

Actually, with Kobie, there's even a video called "never satisfied." It was something he was known for. Constant pursuit of perfection. I found this quote on Kobie without much difficulty from a Forbes article, "Throughout Kobe Bryant’s 20-year career in the NBA, he was known for his exhaustive work ethic and never being satisfied with his accomplishments despite achieving everything possible as a professional basketball player."

The highest of achievers are never satisfied. That's why folks that have started some of the largest companies don't just quit and retire on the millions. It's why some folks with talent don't make it. It's why some achieve greatness and some don't. But I sense that this doesn't resonate with you.

HighEliteMajor said:

@jayballer73 So I take it you don't agree with my opinion, my numbers, and the analysis of the last 30 years? I think that's what you're trying to say.

Actually, with Kobie, there's even a video called "never satisfied." It was something he was known for. Constant pursuit of perfection. I found this quote on Kobie without much difficulty from a Forbes article, "Throughout Kobe Bryant’s 20-year career in the NBA, he was known for his exhaustive work ethic and never being satisfied with his accomplishments despite achieving everything possible as a professional basketball player."

The highest of achievers are never satisfied. That's why folks that have started some of the largest companies don't just quit and retire on the millions. It's why some folks with talent don't make it. It's why some achieve greatness and some don't. But I sense that this doesn't resonate with you.

There you are, I knew you wouldn't let me down. You just couldn't resist could you ? - -oh well have a great day - - - AGAIN ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

What's wrong with never being satisfied? In the sports world that is. If we win the NC, what should Bill and company do? Celebrate for a little bit then get back to work for another. Striving for excellence is what you're supposed to do, especially in a program such as KU.

I cannot comprehend for a moment how a competitor striving to be better has anything to do with fans being happy (which HEM falsely calls "satisfied" and disparages as if it meant "complacent").

All I was addressing was whether I have had a wonderful time being a fan over the past 30 years and what a turnaround it was from the dark days after the 1973 Final 4. Somehow that made me the target of a snide dismissal of my dreams as a fan.

@mayjay oh no!! I was not at all trying to come across like that, if you were talking about me. If you were my bad I’m sorry. I was replying to another person.

@rockchalkwyo Not you at all!

HighEliteMajor said:

@jayballer73 So I take it you don't agree with my opinion, my numbers, and the analysis of the last 30 years? I think that's what you're trying to say.

Actually, with Kobie, there's even a video called "never satisfied." It was something he was known for. Constant pursuit of perfection. I found this quote on Kobie without much difficulty from a Forbes article, "Throughout Kobe Bryant’s 20-year career in the NBA, he was known for his exhaustive work ethic and never being satisfied with his accomplishments despite achieving everything possible as a professional basketball player."

The highest of achievers are never satisfied. That's why folks that have started some of the largest companies don't just quit and retire on the millions. It's why some folks with talent don't make it. It's why some achieve greatness and some don't. But I sense that this doesn't resonate with you.

Kobe Bryant was an absolute assassin, never satisfied, and a bigtime pain in the ass for anyone that he played. That aside, however, I am pretty damn satisfied with what KU has achieved basketballwise in, say, the past 37 years.

I like to think about it this way: statistically speaking, we are due for a NC.

Obviously, not every power 5 team that wins a conference championship wins a national championship. But the majority of national champions have been power 5 teams and also won their conference championship. So it would seem like, the more conference championships we win, the better our chances of winning a National Championship.

However, this correlation hasn't held up for KU, yet.

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Looking at that list again..

If you are a Pac12 team, damn.....

Anyway, there is serious imbalance in the NCAA M Basketball championships.
20 years:
* Big 10 + Big 12 + Pac 12 = 2 championships.
* SEC + Big East + ACC = 17 championships
* All other conferences combined = 1

It doesn't get much better if you go back 30, 40 years, until you get just a few years past the UCLA era. Really from 1982 on, it's an ACC vs Big East challenge.

Has this been good for college basketball? Does this list of champions accurately depict the nature of college basketball over the past 2 decades?

The answer has to be no. KU is most definitely underrepresented based on their record and accomplishments in conference. Compare this to say the number of players entered into the NBA by conference and I think the disparity is more evident. That's not to say the Big12 would have 8 championships in 20 years.. but they would have more than 1 based on records and talent.

@bskeet Michigan State in the same category if the only test is national championships. 2 in the last 41 years, and only 1 despite 7 F4s since 1998. 10 conference reg season or tourn championships in that time. For those who are bitter about lost opportunities, they have been more disappointing since they got closer more times.

@bskeet Looks to me like the refs are paid by ESPN and make sure East Coast is always on top! Just kidding... Kind of.

Funny considering in the NBA the West is usually stronger.

Roy's trajectory as a coach would make it seem that it is easier to win the big dance from the east as he had lots of successful years here with nada and then moves east and bags 3. I don't think he is that much better of a coach at UNC than he was here.