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Almost all the people I have talked to in public the last few days have been dismissive of the severity of COVID-19. I just went to pick up my wife's car and the mechanic told me his father in law went home sick. I told him good on him to send him home. He seemed embarassed to have done so. I brought up Coronavirus, and he started telling me numbers about how many people the flu killed last year. So far, when it has become clear that people are working with talking points from a position on the right I have disengaged, mostly because I want to get home. But I've felt that maybe I should be arming them with an alternate view.

So I told him coronavirus has a 2% mortality rate in China, and that is 20 x that of the flu. And that i'd assumed China had a worse healthcare system. However, in Italy it is 6% mortality. So if we don't take care like Italy didn't take care, it's going to be bad. I told him that the secretary of health in Ohio estimates the number of ohioans with coronavirus to be 1% or 116000 because of community transmission and that we should wait until tests are administered before we know the stats accurately around coronavirus. At that point he barked at me twice "WASH YA HANDS!!" as I walked out the door.

Have we been conditioned to believe that all truth is subjective?

Can this guy emotionally handle the truth that Coronavirus is a serious threat if he came to accept it?

Do I need to be careful what I wish for? What exactly would people like this guy do when people start dying around him and our infrastructure is overwhelmed by sick people?

Is it better if some people remain in the dark, always?

I would say many have trouble rationalizing things. As far as Italy they have a very large elderly population and it seems like it hit them hard. Not saying this isn't serious but there are reasons Italy has been worse, including an extreme lack of discipline from their population which should surprise no one. It's not like the us is a pillar of discipline either so that is a concern.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Almost all the people I have talked to in public the last few days have been dismissive of the severity of COVID-19. I just went to pick up my wife's car and the mechanic told me his father in law went home sick. I told him good on him to send him home. He seemed embarassed to have done so. I brought up Coronavirus, and he started telling me numbers about how many people the flu killed last year. So far, when it has become clear that people are working with talking points from a position on the right I have disengaged, mostly because I want to get home. But I've felt that maybe I should be arming them with an alternate view.

So I told him coronavirus has a 2% mortality rate in China, and that is 20 x that of the flu. And that i'd assumed China had a worse healthcare system. However, in Italy it is 6% mortality. So if we don't take care like Italy didn't take care, it's going to be bad. I told him that the secretary of health in Ohio estimates the number of ohioans with coronavirus to be 1% or 116000 because of community transmission and that we should wait until tests are administered before we know the stats accurately around coronavirus. At that point he barked at me twice "WASH YA HANDS!!" as I walked out the door.

Have we been conditioned to believe that all truth is subjective?

Can this guy emotionally handle the truth that Coronavirus is a serious threat if he came to accept it?

Do I need to be careful what I wish for? What exactly would people like this guy do when people start dying around him and our infrastructure is overwhelmed by sick people?

Is it better if some people remain in the dark, always?

Agree you can't fix stupid my friend

@approxinfinity the trouble is that it is just like the anti vaccine crowd. You find dozens and dozens of articles saying it’s really bad or just a bunch of BS. This is the same several doctors have said this isn’t remotely deadly to people under the age of 60. Any website I have looked at several showing the morality rate of .04% for people younger than that age. The problem is there way too many uncertainties right now. When you compare the morality rates of young people the flu and pneumonia are more deadly and by a lot. You compare with seniors and it’s fairly even. I think it’s all just a guess at this point and no one really knows.

@kjayhawks

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/487489-worst-case-coronavirus-models-show-massive-us-toll ↗

Statistical models meant to project the potential reach of the coronavirus and the COVID-19 disease suggest more than a million Americans could die if the nation does not take swift action to stop its spread as quickly as possible.

At least three different models built by epidemiology experts suggest that millions of Americans will contract the coronavirus, even in optimistic projections, based on what they know of its spread in China and the United States so far.

One model from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) suggested that between 160 million and 210 million Americans could contract the disease over as long as a year. Based on mortality data and current hospital capacity, the number of deaths under the CDC's scenarios ranged from 200,000 to as many as 1.7 million.

It found as many as 21 million people might need hospitalization, a daunting figure in a nation with just about 925,000 hospital beds.

I can agree that mortality rate among the young could be ok. However, unless the estimates from the CDC for total deaths and hospitalizations get revised, they're still staggering.

@approxinfinity shutting down things for awhile is a good start. If we keep things locked down and people are smart we can get through this in a 2-3 months I think.

@BShark @approxinfinity I don’t alway trust numbers like these because I didn’t do the study. 100s of studies end up wrong in everything from Weather to Sports. If they think it could get that serious, they should indeed quarantine us all. I just found out I have been near someone that went to a dentist that is confirmed to have it.

@kjayhawks yeah we should have tightened up about a month ago. It would have been seen as an overreaction but would have absolutely flattened the curve. Obviously I'm hoping we do not see that many deaths.

Matt Tait shared this on twitter and I found it pretty informative. The first 21 minutes and maybe the last 5 minutes are the relevant content and definitely worth the time spent.

It's an interview Michael Osterholm, an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP).

@bskeet Very sensible!

@kjayhawks where’s the dentist from?

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@kjayhawks yeah we should have tightened up about a month ago. It would have been seen as an overreaction but would have absolutely flattened the curve. Obviously I'm hoping we do not see that many deaths.

I was listening to a news report and they said the number of confirmed cases are going to spike once we get more kits able to test more people. They are talking about shortages of hospital beds , talk about that having surgeries schedule - things not pertaining to this virus holding off if possible , gonna be a shortage of hospital beds and such with this for treatment of confirmed cases

@jayballer73 issues with supply as well due to China and the hurricane in Puerto Rico awhile back. We will make it through though.

@Crimsonorblue22 Wichita

@kjayhawks do u know who?

@Crimsonorblue22 don’t know name of the doctor.

@kjayhawks if u find out let me know. Weird they only have reported 1 guy today and he’s from butler co.

@Crimsonorblue22 will do

A good summary of the many failings of Trump over COVID-19 response as written by a lifelong Republican:

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/607969/ ↗

@DoubleDD

China and Italy are two separate models from which we can draw some conclusions.

China contained the virus and thus lower mortality rate due to very strict quarantine.

Italy on the other hand did not enforce strict quarantine thus the significant wider spread and higher mortality rate.

@AsadZ wouldn't shock me if China fudged numbers.

I'm glad I lost a fair bit of weight recently. Hoping I don't get this, but now I'm in better shape to survive it if I do.

Just saw our latest numbers, took a hell of a jump from yesterday. Confirmed cases now stands at 2,628 confirmed cases - - -41 recoveries -- & 50 Deaths. - -that's 50 deaths to many. = =Prayers for everyone. - -the news conference here in Topeka yesterday as pretty clear/informative as to why they shutting down our K-12. - Saying that with all the kids coming back from spring break at once and being in such closed surrounding is the perfect incubator for the virus. Closing for 2 weeks and the re-evaluate as two weeks has been the incubation period. - Saying that without a doubt there will be cases for sure in Topeka no way around it

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

A good summary of the many failings of Trump over COVID-19 response as written by a lifelong Republican:

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/607969/ ↗

@DoubleDD

This is more of an opinion piece. Yea I get it the individual doesn’t like Trump. What’s new? Hell morning joe was supposed to be a Republican too. These hit pieces do no good, they change no votes.

Try and take a step back and look at things as a third person. Look just at your own website. Most of the comments are anti hate even before Trump stepped into office. They never change from topic to topic. It’s always the same “I hate Trump”.

So how is anybody supposed to trust you or those that constantly post dribble about Trump? Some have even made remarks at those voted for Trump. Yet none if you point to the great plans the Dem party will bring to the table. In fact the Dem and liberals only goal is to beat Trump. They have no plan if they do beat him, other than go back to the way things were? Really?

On top of that your telling me the Dem party who is supposed to be this champion for diversity, has voted for the two oldest white dudes out of what 30 candidates? And let’s not forget the hypocrisy of the Dem party. Here you have a Joe out yelling and trying to fight voters. If Trump acted like this. It would be wall time to wall courage on trump is losing his mind. Yet the same people say nothing with Biden.

The DNC doesn't want an electable liberal candidate.

Things could be worse, we could be England...

Good advice here for everyone https://medium.com/ ↗@ariadnelabs/social-distancing-this-is-not-a-snow-day-ac21d7fa78b4

@FarmerJayhawk :thumbs_up: I'm staying home until my post op dental appointment. Will be staying home as much as possible after that. Thankfully I have enough spare cash to ride this thing out.

Just saw where France is closing all restaurants, movie theaters, cafes, and clubs.

Unfortunately for me I can not work from home and I am sure there are many more millions like that cant. I guess the best thing is for those that can do and for large gatherings to not exist for now. However, I saw a picture online of Bourbon a street that was thousands of people out and about after they cancelled schools there so who knows how well this social distancing will work.

I’ll admit I’ve been out and about all day yesterday and today.

I'm blown away that we are not mandating a social distancing policy. I hope the labs start testing soon.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I'm blown away that we are not mandating a social distancing policy. I hope the labs start testing soon.

true getting tested but like they said really all gonna do is confirm - -with increased testing we all know the confirmed cases gonna spike. - -Kansas has it's 8th confirmed virus -- Franklin County - -Another in Johnson county that is associated with Johnson County Community College

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I'm blown away that we are not mandating a social distancing policy. I hope the labs start testing soon.

I think it’s already happened. Schools are shutting down, all sporting events are cancelled, and many places of business are shutting down.

@DoubleDD this is where having a president as a thoughtful leader matters.

My neighbors, good people all, are still standing in the cul de sac as we speak talking to one another at close distance while their kids play together. If we had a president whom they respected mandating that they not do this, they would not be doing it.

He's both stupid and malicious and it's some combination of ignorance and narcissism that had led him to avoid mandating social distancing. The path we are on will not lead to flattening the curve, as Director of Institute of Infectious Disease, Dr Fauci would like to do. This thing will still "flow through the country like a wave" as Trump said but the casualties and strain on the health system will be bad. And if he realizes this, then he is ok with many more deaths than are necessary when the health system is overwhelmed. Maybe he thinks the strain on the economy will be less? He had a "natural talent" for being a heartless moron and many will likely needlessly die because of him.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD this is where having a president as a thoughtful leader matters.

My neighbors, good people all, are still standing in the cul de sac as we speak talking to one another at close distance while their kids play together. If we had a president whom they respected mandating that they not do this, they would not be doing it.

He's both stupid and malicious and it's some combination of ignorance and narcissism that had led him to avoid mandating social distancing. The path we are on will not lead to flattening the curve, as Director of Institute of Infectious Disease, Dr Fauci would like to do. This thing will still "flow through the country like a wave" as Trump said but the casualties and strain on the health system will be bad. And if he realizes this, then he is ok with many more deaths than are necessary when the health system is overwhelmed. Maybe he thinks the strain on the economy will be less? He had a "natural talent" for being a heartless moron and many will likely needlessly die because of him.

I’m sorry that is your opinion. All I have heard from the Dem party is we do what the scientist say we should do. It Appears that trump has done what his team of professionals that dealt with the aids outbreak have suggested. What else can he do? He didn’t create this virus. So why the hate? What you think a government official will do better because they have a D beside their name? They have brought nothing to the table. In fact Pelosi tried to sneak in funding for plant parenthood on the financial help for coronavirus victims.

An organization that kills more black babies than any other color.

This isn't about ds or rs it's about human lives.

@DoubleDD

You are not alone. Key points that many Americans will have to get better at:
- discerning the difference between facts, opinions, and deception.
- understanding a person's or organization's motivations.
- understanding the difference between winning and being good.

Trump's bravado in the face of the crisis has been irresponsible.. and his administration's decision to cut funding to the CDC and dismiss the pandemic response team 2 years ago --- well, let's just say it hasn't aged well (he eschews responsibility and denies culpability -- Shocking).

That said, people have to make their own decisions. If they are gathering in the street, that's their decision. Trump didn't make them do that.

It should surprise NO ONE after 3 years that the president isn't providing adequate leadership and does not have our best interests in mind.

So we need to rely more on ourselves for common sense and diligent research. Know what is and isn't a good source of health information (CDC: yes, WHO: yes, WH: no). It's disappointing, but we all have to adapt.

Ultimately, the great arbiter is natural selection. Darwin will sort the stupidly cavalier from those fit to survive (with lots of collateral damage to those in the at-risk populations). It's pretty indiscriminate between republican and democrat.

The last few years have basically made me tune out almost all media. I don't read "mainstream" outlets for the most part, don't watch cable news exception on election days (and even then, count results on my own), and have sort of bunkered down into my own group of folks. I have a very well-curated Twitter feed without a lot of nonsense, mostly academics and other smart people who really understand the issues, not journos that don't know their multiplication tables, yet decide to become economists and epidemiologists all the sudden. I just want facts and some context, not filters from press folks with an agenda, whether right or left. I know my personal ideology backward and forward and of course judge particular issues through that lens but always start with the facts then evaluate from there. I'm lucky because I've worked for and studied with some absolutely stupid smart people so maybe I'm better at sniffing out crap than most, but even having some basic skills about critiquing news and reading with some well-informed skepticism is a really good skill.

My critiques of the President have nothing to do with his party, though I worked my arse off to beat him in 15 and 16. I sometimes fantasize about having Jeb! run this show instead of Trump since he developed such a great reputation for being an effective governor in a purple state. Would I like to see him lose in 2020? Sure. Do I love Biden? No. We probably disagree on 90% of issues. But I think he's a competent manager and someone with good character.

tl;dr: get the facts, not the filter. Understand the facts. Make decisions accordingly.

wow. same wavelength. @BShark @approxinfinity @FarmerJayhawk

@FarmerJayhawk love the competent manager and good character! I feel like he’ll surround himself w/those people of the same qualities! Plus qualified and experienced! Won’t be firing and hiring every month. Earn back respect we lost w/the rest of the world too!

@FarmerJayhawk interested in some good follows. Twitter can be rough sometimes, had to unfollow a KU guy that was just non-stop conspiracy tweeting since the corona stuff ramped up.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk interested in some good follows. Twitter can be rough sometimes, had to unfollow a KU guy that was just non-stop conspiracy tweeting since the corona stuff ramped up.

Off the top of my head:
Tyler Cowen, Sue Dynarski, Megan McArdle, Tom Nichols, Wojtek Kopczuck, Chris Arnade, Noah Smith, Luke Thompson, Scott Cunningham, Bad Econ Takes. It skews heavily toward economists (sorry, job hazard) but you’ll get everyone from very liberal to Never Trump Conservative to price gouging is good libertarian.

@bskeet Natural selection won't work on this one because the people at greatest risk are post-reproductive. This outbreak won't change gene frequencies. Stupid behavior, the people who transmit the virus, won't be selected against.

@bskeet @tundrahok good point. but if you believe ideas are alive, we may see a natural selection of ideas here.

@approxinfinity And yet bad ideas can become more common also. Good/bad, of course, is a value judgement. I'm really not sure what currency is used to evaluate the genetic fitness of ideas.

Richard Dawkins introduced the idea of memes in his 1976 book The Selfish Gene, to illustrate how ideas can spread similar to genetic variants - way before the term was appropriated by the internet. Internet memes might be a great illustration of how we can't rely on natural selection to solve our problems! I was never a big fan of grumpy cat. But I remember being fascinated by the idea of memes back in my grad school days, and am a bit chagrined that my own grad students in evolutionary ecology have no idea what the source of that term is.

I agree with every word https://americanmind.org/features/the-coronacrisis-and-our-future-discontents/how-covid-radicalized-me/ ↗

@FarmerJayhawk good article

@tundrahok said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@bskeet Natural selection won't work on this one because the people at greatest risk are post-reproductive. This outbreak won't change gene frequencies. Stupid behavior, the people who transmit the virus, won't be selected against.

Yeah, that was tounge-in-cheek -- Anytime I see someone take a stupid risk, I shake my head and say "Darwin". It's a sort of inside joke that doesn't translate well here.. Sorry.

COVID-19 has claimed lives at all ages and even people who were considered healthy, but at a much lower rate.

Looks like someone hacked the best statistics site:

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Looks like fever is a key symptom

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@bskeet @tundrahok good point. but if you believe ideas are alive, we may see a natural selection of ideas here.

Feeling a bit Anrwy. Like eliminating all those people that voted for Biden for president? Because we all know he’s not actually going to be the president. The guy doesn’t know who he is taking too, or where he is half the time. Hey this is let’s blame trump for everything website. Can you imagine Biden if elected telling a world leader to step outside? Lol you guys are unbelievable.

We will go from Obama trying to kiss every world leaders arse to his Vice President Biden trying to challenge them to a fight. Well done guys. Yep let’s bring on the natural selection.

@DoubleDD did you watch the Democratic Debate last night? If you did not, it calmed all my fears about Biden's mental state. He was very strong.

As for your other accusations about people blaming Trump unfairly, please give it two weeks and then reassess how you should feel about Trump. Then rinse repeat, reevaluate 2 weeks after that, and so on.

@DoubleDD Also, nobody said anything about eliminating Biden voters and I'm trying to understand what you meant by that. If you're suggesting that you're feeling awnry and want to eliminate Biden voters, let me be :hundred_points: clear. If you threaten other members of the board you will be banned. There is no place for that here.

If you are considering violence as a viable solution because other people don't love Trump as much as you then you should seek professional help.

Hey @approxinfinity you have been so fair to trump voters. Not. No hard feelings. Do what you must. I’m watching the Dem debates right now. I’ll let you know if I’m still around. Had to work through them

Oh and what did Everybody mean by natural selection? Ummm

I will say Biden so far doing good for himself

Sanders not doing well with his socialist speech, but I’m bias

Oh one more thing @approxinfinity the violence seems to be coming from the left, not the right. I mean a person can’t even wear a maga hat these days. Good news though Biden doing better than I thought.

But will it last

You know here today gone tomorrow

This should make all you happy?

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@DoubleDD actually, I thought Bernie got clobbered in this debate and that remark didn't answer the question, which is what he would do.

That said, I agree that the Presidents response has been amateur hour narcissism and he needs to shut up and stop getting in the way of competent health professionals like Dr Fauci.

I'm glad you watched the debate. I think it's important for Trump supporters to see with their own eyes what the other guy looks like, and not rely on someone else's description of him.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This should make all you happy?

It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ↗

@FarmerJayhawk don’t worry. He said it’s under terrific control. That must mean it is, right?

Edit: tremendous control. Got my Trumpisms mixed up. (See how when I mess up I acknowledge the mistake and try to correct it?)

Here is an idea , can we please stop with trying the political blame game ? - -can we be mature enough for that. - this is not a time to blame - -this is a time when w need to Unite as a Nation not play the Dem & Rep he did it - - she did it - - he didn't do it -- she didn't do it, Bottom line is - - IT"S here we need to deal with this as one, it's the type of blame game that is going to turn what's been said about our Country come to real time if we don't stop

Been said that the demise of our Country , our country will be taken over WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT BEING FIRED - get's kind of old. - -At this point there is NOT ONE person that is good for the Presidency - -they all are idiots, radicals just you take the lesser of the evils. If you think Sanders could do better - then dam I feel sorry for you - - Biden ? - - Psssssst please/ Yet this is not the time to argue over that. you best cinch up your britches -let's worry about winning this battle before we tackle the war.

@jayballer73 you just stated your opinion about candidates while telling others not to state theirs. Lol.

This is the thread to discern fact from opinion, and it was my expectation that it would be the more political of the threads, given that the president has been deceptive about the truth from the outset. This guy is a train wreck who has spread misinformation and it's important to recognize that for everyone's safety.

We absolutely need elected officials who have a concern for the common man so that this doesn't happen again.

The impetus towards bipartisan action has to come with a swell towards the center. Consider Biden an olive branch from the Democrats. A centrist. Now it's time for the rational Republicans to unite behind Biden and restore unity to the land.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 you just stated your opinion about candidates while telling others not to state theirs. Lol.

This is the thread to discern fact from opinion, and it was my expectation that it would be the more political of the threads, given that the president has been deceptive about the truth from the outset. This guy is a train wreck who has spread misinformation and it's important to recognize that for everyone's safety.

We absolutely need elected officials who have a concern for the common man so that this doesn't happen again.

we all know that there are people hee trying to place blame on Trump I'm not for Trump- BUT I'mnot for Sanders or Biden either. yet I'm not going to sit here and place blame on anyone at this time and as you say ( LOL ) I'm glad you can see humor in this situation - time to laugh giggle when out Nation at risk - -this is not a place to be talking politics - -let's talk about the problem - - CORONA VIRUS -that's the problem. - -I'm not going to get into a long drawn out back and forth banner on this shit just seemspretty petty to be trying to place blame on an individual right now - Hell there is plenty of blame that can be paced all over the place concerning the Govt. - but thanks anyways - come on let's focus on the REAL PROBLEM - -the president is not the real problem we are dealing with here

@jayballer73 what about seeing Coronavirus as a force of nature? SARS and MERS were strains of coronavirus and they were contained. Are sharks a problem? Are glaciers that melt the problem? Or is it the humans that cause it? I think it's important to not let someone blow shit up and then walk away like he did nothing wrong.

I do get where you are coming from and we can refrain from being political on some thread. I just don't think it's appropriate to say we shouldn't talk about Trump's botch at all.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 you just stated your opinion about candidates while telling others not to state theirs. Lol.

This is the thread to discern fact from opinion, and it was my expectation that it would be the more political of the threads, given that the president has been deceptive about the truth from the outset. This guy is a train wreck who has spread misinformation and it's important to recognize that for everyone's safety.

We absolutely need elected officials who have a concern for the common man so that this doesn't happen again.

HOLY SHIT MAN -- truth ? - - - truth ? - -you want the truth ? - -the truth is this govt ha been so corrupt and full of lies for so dam long and you want to thump your chest about how this president has been dishonest and not told the truth ? - -NOW THAT'S FUNNY holy crap man where have you been the last 30 years or so? Come on man give me a fricken break that's just sad You one of the people that's not willing to give Credit for what this train wreck has done for this country? - -bet you are - that's just disappointing don't try and say there is a canidate that in this upcoming election that is more honest - -even you have to laugh at that - -This country was in sorry shape LONG BEFORE Trump was elected -LONG BEFORE he sure the hell isn't the one who put this country in the shape it is in now. - It's going to take years to get us out of this mess , and Sanders SURE THE HELL is not the one that is going to pull us out - believe that

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I do get where you are coming from and we can refrain from being political on some thread. I just don't think it's appropriate to say we shouldn't talk about Trump's botch at all.

OK done now lets agree to disagree

@jayballer73 I will tell you where I haven't been the last 30 years... Sitting in my house like it's a bomb shelter trying to stay away from my common man because they don't take life threatening viruses seriously.

Please permit me to figure out how we are here now and haven't been for my entire life before this.

Biden is ABSOLUTELY more honest than Trump. Trump is the biggest liar I have ever seen. No exaggeration. Anyone who lies as much as Trump I have had the good fortune of being able to get the hell away from.

@jayballer73 look, we can disagree. That's fine. And we can talk about it. It's all good. That's what this place is for. If you don't want Politics on your thread I can respect that. But this is the one I started :)

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Oh and what did Everybody mean by natural selection? Ummm

I'm the one who brought it up. What I meant was that this virus will indiscriminately kill some fraction of the population. I implied that those who are not wise enough to heed the advice of the medical community may not survive... although I tried to clarify that infected idiots may survive, only to infect others who are innocent and die (that's the collateral damage I referred to.)

I think it is irresponsible that it's been politicized. The virus isn't red or blue....

@bskeet viruses don't fly.

This doesn't have to do with red and blue. It has to do with Trump being an idiot. If this happened under any president who did what Trump did, I'd call him or her an idiot.

Yeah, my comment is anachronistic.. I was responding to something from 12 or more hours ago.. A lot has been said since then...

Trump absolutely has exacerbated a problem that might have been a crisis before... but his dishonesty and bombast made it so much worse. Never thought I'd see such a fool in any federal office.

https://people.com/health/kentucky-man-with-coronavirus-who-refused-to-self-quarantine-being-guarded-by-police-officer/ ↗

Hope we don't see a lot of this.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 I will tell you where I haven't been the last 30 years... Sitting it my house like it's a bomb shelter trying to stay away from my common man because they don't take life threatening viruses seriously.

Please permit me to figure out how we are here now and haven't been for my entire life before this.

Biden is ABSOLUTELY more honest than Trump. Trump is the biggest liar I have ever seen. No exaggeration. Anyone who lies as much as Trump I have had the good fortune of being able to get the hell away from.

Thank you and have a good night

Oh Biden is a corrupt and lying politician. It just doesn’t get brought to the day of light with all left leaning media. I mean nothing like having a son with no experience on a Ukraine gas and oil company’s Board of directors. Ever wonder why Obama hasn’t given Biden his approval?

All Biden is? A familiar face to a fractured Dem party trying to salvage an election. The same party that has overplayed their cards the last 4 years trying sabotage a incoming president. The Dem party will be lucky to even retain the house let alone beat Trump.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This should make all you happy?

It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ↗

Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.

Hate Trump much?

No idea if true, but I’ve read that Italy has high fatality rates because they refuse to treat elders and are letting in take it coarse..... sad if true, but unsure.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This should make all you happy?

It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ↗

Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.

Hate Trump much?

No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.

@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

No idea if true, but I’ve read that Italy has high fatality rates because they refuse to treat elders and are letting in take it coarse..... sad if true, but unsure.

They’re doing triage on elderly people because there aren’t enough beds so they’re playing the odds and saving as many as they can. It’s horrible. And there’s not a thing they can do about it.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

No idea if true, but I’ve read that Italy has high fatality rates because they refuse to treat elders and are letting in take it coarse..... sad if true, but unsure.

They’re doing triage on elderly people because there aren’t enough beds so they’re playing the odds and saving as many as they can. It’s horrible. And there’s not a thing they can do about it.

Right-- they didn't get in front of it... couldn't flatten the curve and the cases exploded and flooded the hospitals. Now the doctors are treating the public the way military doctors have to triage on a war field. Who's most likely to survive? They get the resources and medical attention first. The weakest and most at risk are left to their fate.

All this quarantine and distancing business is about flattening the curve so doctors here don't have to make the same tradeoffs on Americans.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This should make all you happy?

It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ↗

Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.

Hate Trump much?

No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.

That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.

@DoubleDD Never admit your wrong. Deny deny deny. Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. Attack attack attack. Get a new playbook.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD Never admit your wrong. Deny deny deny. Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. Attack attack attack. Get a new playbook.

Yea I do wish the Dem party would quit denying the truth. Trump has done a pretty good job. It would go a long way in tempering some of the ignorant rancor that has taking place. I mean we now have scientist going on record approving what Trump has done. Even going as far as saying Trump’s actions are saving lives.

Truth hurt much?

@DoubleDD man. Wake up.

To what?

What? you want me to follow another Dem plot to unseat a duly elected president? Yea no I’ll pass.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

What? you want me to follow another Dem plot to unseat a duly elected president? Yea no I’ll pass.

What are you talking about? Nobody is talking about impeachment. The discussion around Trump is about how he botched the COVID-19 response, which should be indisputable if you actually look at the facts.
1) he said 15 soon to be 0 cases when this could have been contained.
2) FDA didn't approve tests, we had months to approve them but did not.
3) he tried to manipulate counts by keeping people on the Diamond Princess, straight out of his own mouth "I like the numbers better" if they arent considered cased inside the US.
4) He tells Fox News its ok to go to work sick with coronavirus. WTF? He also says that scientists will have a vaccine very soon. The original real estimates were a year to 18 months.
5) His hot mic pre-address (oval office) shows a narcissist asking his camera man where the book should be on the table, fidgeting around with it. Where is his head? And he neglects to mention in the address that we should be self distancing (!) He creates a travel ban on European countries except UK when the disease is already here! Just clueless and tasteless, as he exempts the country where his resorts are located and neglects addressing the problem correctly, as it is already here.
6) He says we should limit groups to 100 (second address, Rose Garden) except for work. WTF people still have the virus at work. He also says that Google is working on a site with 1700 engineers focused on it, when this is total BS.
7) He says we should limit groups to 10 (still too many. come on man, stop walking it down and get it right the first, second, third, fourth, or fifth time)

Just deplorable idiocy and self-preservation.

These are FACTS. Not opinion. He f'ked up.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This should make all you happy?

It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ↗

Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.

Hate Trump much?

No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.

That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.

Not really. The lab in Seattle had to go rogue to get the warning out because the Trump administration said no, you can’t run that test. And Trump explicitly said we don’t want tests because low numbers is good politics. He blew this a month ago.

The Chinese blew it much, much worse. This isn’t in dispute. A Democratic plot? That’s Sean Hannity tinfoil hat stuff.

@approxinfinity don’t forget the careless language and inability to read a teleprompter leading to mass confusion in airports, on airplanes, both here, abroad and in between.

The lies about “testing” everyone returning from overseas.

The failure to beef up staffing to handle the influx of people going through customs at DFW, Chicago, and elsewhere forcing hundreds to maybe thousands of people to stand shoulder to shoulder amid a pandemic.

And just to show this isn’t Democrat vs republican, there are many Republican
Governors across the country stepping up, taking advice from scientists and leading the response in their states. The governor of Ohio has done an especially good job maybe the best in the country so far in my opinion.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

A Democratic plot? That’s Sean Hannity tinfoil hat stuff.

Believing this requires something stronger than drinking the kool-aid. Not sure if I have the term for it...

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This should make all you happy?

It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ↗

Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.

Hate Trump much?

No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.

That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.

1: There is evidence that the Chinese government knew about this and squelched the warnings of the medical community there.

2: Unfortunately, there is also evidence that the Trump administration knew about this and downplayed it and disregarded the medical community.

Not sure what conclusion could be drawn by bringing up this fact about the Chinese government's mishandling other than the conclusion that the US leadership is no better -- and possibly worse given that the Chinese didn't know what they were dealing with and could be skeptical in the absence of data. But the US had 2-3 months of data and evidence from multiple countries about the nature of this outbreak -- and STILL -- resisted actions.

That's irresponsible and probably incompetent. Maybe negligent. Maybe maleficient.

If this was the first time this administration had made a mistake, I think we'd give them a mulligan. It's not.

“I don’t take any responsibility at all” pretty much sums it up.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

A Democratic plot? That’s Sean Hannity tinfoil hat stuff.

Believing this requires something stronger than drinking the kool-aid. Not sure if I have the term for it...

You mean like Russian collusion, quid pro quo, or obstructing? Yea no level headed Individual would draw that collusion? That maybe the Dem Party are is trying to undermine a sitting president. Yea no way to draw that collusion.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

“I don’t take any responsibility at all” pretty much sums it up.

Yea that’s a pretty broad statement. Care to be more specific?

@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This should make all you happy?

It’s an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ↗

Huh? Nah it couldn’t be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? I’m mean let’s forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Let’s pay no attention to that evidence.

Hate Trump much?

No, I don’t hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.

That’s pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didn’t do it earlier? What I can’t figure out is why more people aren’t upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.

1: There is evidence that the Chinese government knew about this and squelched the warnings of the medical community there.

2: Unfortunately, there is also evidence that the Trump administration knew about this and downplayed it and disregarded the medical community.

Not sure what conclusion could be drawn by bringing up this fact about the Chinese government's mishandling other than the conclusion that the US leadership is no better -- and possibly worse given that the Chinese didn't know what they were dealing with and could be skeptical in the absence of data. But the US had 2-3 months of data and evidence from multiple countries about the nature of this outbreak -- and STILL -- resisted actions.

That's irresponsible and probably incompetent. Maybe negligent. Maybe maleficient.

If this was the first time this administration had made a mistake, I think we'd give them a mulligan. It's not.

You do know the rest of the world is struggling with this virus also. Right?

Yet somehow this is all the Presidents fault? That is quite a reach.

@DoubleDD see my list of the President's failings and @benshawks08 's amendments which I would hope you would not ignore, as they are the facts.

It's a fair point you made that much of the world is struggling with this. But that doesn't excuse Trump's response, which has been mostly weak, counterproductive, self-absorbed, misinformed and confused.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

“I don’t take any responsibility at all” pretty much sums it up.

Yea that’s a pretty broad statement. Care to be more specific?

It’s what donald trump said when asked why he gutted the cdc specifically the pandemic Response team in 2018 and if he took any responsibility for the delay in testing availability in the USA (you know, the country he runs).

More than that it seems to be his general attitude toward any happening that isn’t a great success. Further evidenced by his rating of his own response to this crisis as a “10 out of 10.”

Who needs sports?! We can all just watch mental gymnastics all day long.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD see my list of the President's failings and @benshawks08 's amendments which I would hope you would not ignore, as they are the facts.

It's a fair point you made that much of the world is struggling with this. But that doesn't excuse Trump's response, which has been mostly weak, counterproductive, self-absorbed, misinformed and confused.

Could have trump acted sooner? Of course, but remember we are a government of checks and balances. Imagine if Trump tried to close down the borders sooner? Or put in travel bands? The Dem party and the media would have painted him as a racist and so on.

The important thing? Is this task to fight the coronavirus, is on the right course. The manpower, and resources are being put in the right places.

This blaming Trump does no good and accomplishes nothing. Except this will hurt the Dem party at the ballot box. Once again the Dem party is showing all they care about is removing the President.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

“I don’t take any responsibility at all” pretty much sums it up.

Yea that’s a pretty broad statement. Care to be more specific?

It’s what donald trump said when asked why he gutted the cdc specifically the pandemic Response team in 2018 and if he took any responsibility for the delay in testing availability in the USA (you know, the country he runs).

More than that it seems to be his general attitude toward any happening that isn’t a great success. Further evidenced by his rating of his own response to this crisis as a “10 out of 10.”

Who needs sports?! We can all just watch mental gymnastics all day long.

Absolutely a debate can be had on whether the president should’ve cut this program or another. This doesn’t make a person a bad person, or incompetent. Just means they may have made a bad decision. Name me one President that hasn’t made a bad decision?

However I believe the level hate for Trump is clouding the minds of some persons that would other wise would be quite level headed.

Maybe Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing?

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD see my list of the President's failings and @benshawks08 's amendments which I would hope you would not ignore, as they are the facts.

It's a fair point you made that much of the world is struggling with this. But that doesn't excuse Trump's response, which has been mostly weak, counterproductive, self-absorbed, misinformed and confused.

Could have trump acted sooner? Of course, but remember we are a government of checks and balances. Imagine if Trump tried to close down the borders sooner? Or put in travel bands? The Dem party and the media would have painted him as a racist and so on.

The important thing? Is this task to fight the coronavirus, is on the right course. The manpower, and resources are being put in the right places.

This blaming Trump does no good and accomplishes nothing. Except this will hurt the Dem party at the ballot box. Once again the Dem party is showing all they care about is removing the President.

Everyone was telling the administration to do something when it was obvious this was way worse than they wanted to admit. There’s just no excuses for their failing here. It killed people. It showed Trump, the self professed maker of the best deals, can’t run a popsicle stand without his staff explaining things to him in crayon. He’s proud to not read the information they give him and just go with his gut. No way to run a branch of government.

Neither party is perfect (or even good right now tbh) but Congressional Democrats are at least passing a stimulus package.

@DoubleDD I totally agree that everyone makes mistakes and that a bad decision doesn’t make someone a bad person most of the time (obviously depending on the severity of the decision). However, for me, failing to admit ANY mistake or failing does make someone a bad person. How can a person learn if unwilling to admit fault or error? I make mistakes all the time. Sometimes those mistakes hurt other people. I expect from my president what I expect from my family, my colleagues, myself, and my students. Admit when your wrong and learn from it. It’s not an easy thing to do but it is always the right thing to do.

I also agree that our focus needs to be looking forward on how to best combat the spread of this virus. But if we go forward blindly without acknowledging where and when mistakes may have been made, we are likely to continue to see a similar pattern of failings in the future. It’s why coaches and players watch game film of their previous games not just their upcoming opponents.

Self reflection is a powerful tool for learning. I sincerely hope our president uses it to be more successful moving forward. (Evidence indicates he won’t)

Found this surfing. Kind of interesting, if you can handle the elevator music.

“10/10” https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/16/cdc-who-coronavirus-tests/ ↗

Another good one with first hand accounts for a doc in Seattle.

https://www.gq.com/story/inside-americas-coronavirus-testing-crisis ↗

Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.

Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.

Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.

Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.

Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.

Me personally I just don’t think the CDC was prepared to handle such an outbreak. And that is why the president and his team are changing the CDC to be better prepared in the future. Which I think is a great thing.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.

Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.

Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.

Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.

It wouldn’t even be an EO in this case. Just HHS changing internal guidance, which happens all the time. Fact is they blew this.

For Trump saying Obama always apologized and made too many excuses, he sure does the same thing.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.

Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.

Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.

Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.

It wouldn’t even be an EO in this case. Just HHS changing internal guidance, which happens all the time. Fact is they blew this.

For Trump saying Obama always apologized and made too many excuses, he sure does the same thing.

Now we both know you are full of crap. The president doesn’t apologize in less he’s being sarcastic. Lol

@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.

I’m just glad he’s still allowing alcohol purchases.

@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I’m just glad he’s still allowing alcohol purchases.

Amen

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.

Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EO’s contradict Congressional intent that’s when things get hairy.

Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.

Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.

It wouldn’t even be an EO in this case. Just HHS changing internal guidance, which happens all the time. Fact is they blew this.

For Trump saying Obama always apologized and made too many excuses, he sure does the same thing.

Now we both know you are full of crap. The president doesn’t apologize in less he’s being sarcastic. Lol

Nah, he just makes excuses for everything. Nothing is ever his fault. Always someone else's. Gets rid of the pandemic unit on the NSC (by his own order) and says he didn't know anything about it. Now he's either lying or incompetent.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.

I criticized Obama then. It's not about D's and R's. I could care less. I'm assigning blame where it's due. Ultimate blame goes with the CCP, but Trump is far from blameless here. Sometimes I think he could be saying the whole thing is a hoax and his supporters would be like "yep, my neighbor died and my mom is sick but it's just the flu because Trump said China and Nancy Pelosi are making things up to beat him!"

@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I’m just glad he’s still allowing alcohol purchases.

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The quarantine in Italy allowed for the capture of 'Ndrangheta mob boss Cesare Antonio Cordi.

Russia still has COVID-19 contained I guess. Imported cases only. They are the largest country to still have it contained, unless they aren't testing adequately.

Could you imagine if we adopt UBI (already being pitched around as Mit Romney's idea), it works well, and becomes part of the Republican platform? @FarmerJayhawk could this actually happen?

@approxinfinity loooooooooooool

I mean have the Republicans (or either party for that matter) ever turned away from an opportunity to hang their hat on something successful? Does it matter one shred what the platform is? Woudl they really stop something if its working well for them?

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.

I criticized Obama then. It's not about D's and R's. I could care less. I'm assigning blame where it's due. Ultimate blame goes with the CCP, but Trump is far from blameless here. Sometimes I think he could be saying the whole thing is a hoax and his supporters would be like "yep, my neighbor died and my mom is sick but it's just the flu because Trump said China and Nancy Pelosi are making things up to beat him!"

It’s about perception @FarmerJayhawk. You attack Trump and his voters. Yet it wasn’t trump that ignored the fly over country and rural America. Somehow that was your party and you are calling us Ignorant. Yet why would anybody whether it be race, color, or party affiliation get behind a party that doesn’t care about them? As the Dem party has shown.

Kansas schools closed for the rest of the school year. Distance learning plans being created now. First state to do that.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Kansas schools closed for the rest of the school year. Distance learning plans being created now. First state to do that.

Wow

@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."

Is that like gender neutrality?

I don’t see any need to attack Trump voters.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Is that like gender neutrality?

It's more like a phase that people grow out of.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."

Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.

Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.

@DoubleDD The wall !alt text ↗

It’s being built, so a half promise

Bullshit campaign promises are a time honored tradition and hardly new to Trump though, one thing I would not fault him for at all.

It’s funny you bring up the wall. When Obama was in office the Dem Party was willing to give Obama all the money he needed to build the wall. Yet when Trump became president not a dime? And he was called a racist? Talk about hypocrisy.

Yea I’m going to get in line with a Party like the current Dems. Give me some good leadership and maybe I’ll change my opinion. Tell then yea I don’t think so.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Could you imagine if we adopt UBI (already being pitched around as Mit Romney's idea), it works well, and becomes part of the Republican platform? @FarmerJayhawk could this actually happen?

Oh it’s happening. Sec. Mnuchin is telling Senators we need something like at least $1 trillion in stimulus or we could face 20% unemployment.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."

Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.

Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.

The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."

Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.

Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.

The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.

I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party. No matter how good it could be for the country.

I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.

Those are facts

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."

Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.

Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.

The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.

I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party.

I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.

Then don’t promise to get it done. Easy. Nah, he just has cost me tens of thousands so far and I got a fraction of that back in a dumbass bailout. Yippeee. Those are facts.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."

Again it’s about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.

Say one Thing about Trump he didn’t lie about what he was going to do if elected. He’s pretty kept all his promises.

The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.

I’ll give you the aca, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying. Just couldn’t get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you can’t do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? I’m mean you being a Liberian in all. He isn’t going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party.

I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasn’t like he left you guys high and dry.

Then don’t promise to get it done. Easy. Nah, he just has cost me tens of thousands so far and I got a fraction of that back in a dumbass bailout. Yippeee. Those are facts.

Well he’s not done yet. Those are facts.

Yea but think @FarmerJayhawk you won’t be at the mercy of the Chinese government anymore. You are protected by the trade agreement. Well unless we Get Biden as president. Then his son will get another sweet heart deal, and then who knows what Americans pay for it.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Yea but think @FarmerJayhawk you won’t be at the mercy of the Chinese government anymore. You are protected by the trade agreement. Well unless we Get Biden as president. Then his son will get another sweet heart deal, and then who knows what Americans pay for it.

I NEVER WAS

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/3-reasons-farmers-hurt-by-the-u-s-china-trade-war-still-support-trump ↗

Wow you must be the exception. Isn’t PBS the choice of most libertarians.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/3-reasons-farmers-hurt-by-the-u-s-china-trade-war-still-support-trump ↗

Wow you must be the exception. Isn’t PBS the choice of most libertarians.

Yep. The farmers quoted there are flat wrong on the issue.

Okay lol

I’ll give Cheeto Jesus’s administration credit on the stimulus. Mnuchin looks serious about getting this right, where the Obama crew blew the 09 stimulus. Needs to be at BARE MINIMUM $1 trillion and needs to be out the door in the next couple weeks. Now isn’t the time to get fussy about the deficit. That was 2 years ago.

@DoubleDD here's one for you. A left of center publication complaining that Nancy Pelosi didn't load up the stimulus bill with a bunch of riders knowing that the President had to pass it, like the Republicans did to Obama in 2009: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/nancy-pelosi-trump-stimulus-132388 ↗

My friend I don’t won’t to disrespect you. So I’m thinking I’m going to drop it for a little bit. Every person is right in their own mind. Even I. The Goal is not to make enemies, but to find common ground. I totally understand why some hate Trump. He’s a hard guy to like. A very arrogant, or asshole as @approxinfinity said. Me personally I wish he would just shave that hair doo. I just find it so mind numbing when a person or poster wants to trash our current president yet act like their person or party is un reproachable. To blame one president for every thing that goes bad is not realistic.

When Obama first ran as president I couldn’t vote for him as I thought he was to young and lacked experience. I was called a racist. I voted for him in his second term as I thought he was by far the better candidate. I was called a traitor. I feel no president is to blamed for everything. Well except Nixon. What he did was bad. Very much needed to be impeached. Anyways I going to step away for a bit. May the debate carry on.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD here's one for you. A left of center publication complaining that Nancy Pelosi didn't load up the stimulus bill with a bunch of riders knowing that the President had to pass it, like the Republicans did to Obama in 2009: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/nancy-pelosi-trump-stimulus-132388 ↗

It’s called politics bubba

I think the only virus that could be more concerning than Covid-19 is the virus of delusion, which seems to have spread from Trump to a significant population. The symptoms are making excuses, dismissing evidence and creating alternative narratives to justify his actions.

What if UBI saved the Republican Party from its current dystopian state? What if it works so well that the economy rebounds and centrists like Romney adopt it as their permanent platform, after he gets reelected. What if we come out the other side of this with a strengthened centrist faction of the Republican Party, willing to negotiate and put the country first, with an economic agenda that appeals to the middle? What if they even campaign against Trump in the election... AND WIN??? I'm just dreaming. It's a beautiful dream.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3075567/people-blood-type-may-be-more-vulnerable-coronavirus-china-study?utm_content=article&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR12FTdCjGydfgHO5XVNy2YShBqPJgkK6ozzWXKg0gO7fTEMWcKFhGNFqy0#Echobox=1584436870 ↗

Ran across this. Don’t know how true. So take it with a grain of salt, but I thought I would share.

Dam just heard something with this that I hadn't really even given thought to.

See we all have heard and seen about how people just going insane grabbing things from the stores & how they haven't been able to keeps things stocked.

Heard something within the last 5 minutes kind of scares me - bluntly honest. [ Something else they can't keep stocked now. - -and that is : - -GUNS & AMMUNITION holy shit hadn't even begin to think of something like this.

People talking about if and when we go into Martial law which I too like these others feel yes MARTIAL law is coming. - -but they are talking about people afraid if people can't get to food or the stores don't have food , then people going to start breaking into houses and robbing stealing foods. - innerviewing people said that just looking to protect their families - - that scary hadn't thought about that yet.

Here are some things the government could be doing now but aren’t apparently. I will applaud the administration of these things get handled in a timely manner. If looking forward is the only way let’s do that.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-surge-hospitals-trump-beds-respirators-ventilators-fema-cdc.html ↗

And @jayballer73 let’s try not to add any more fear to this situation. Giving voice and legs to stuff like you wrote above is how that stupid stuff starts happening. The grocery stores continue to be empty only because people keep posting pictures of empty grocery stores. We have a responsibility as citizens to maintain order ourselves and not devolve into chaos. It’s totally understandable to be scared but we can’t let that fear overtake reason and order. The more people discuss the scenario you mention above the more likely it is to happen. So please consider that before posting more worst case scenarios. Nothing but love for ya. For real.

You need to go out and get groceries early in the morning. I've got a consolidated trip tomorrow morning. Groceries then my dental appointment.

@BShark I had success last week with a late night run and over the weekend mid day at the Asian market. Racism of others helped me get good groceries.

To be fair I haven’t tried this week so I don’t know the current state of things. I usually buy groceries for a week at a time. And am guilty of over the weekend probably getting 2 weeks instead of one.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Here are some things the government could be doing now but aren’t apparently. I will applaud the administration of these things get handled in a timely manner. If looking forward is the only way let’s do that.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-surge-hospitals-trump-beds-respirators-ventilators-fema-cdc.html ↗

And @jayballer73 let’s try not to add any more fear to this situation. Giving voice and legs to stuff like you wrote above is how that stupid stuff starts happening. The grocery stores continue to be empty only because people keep posting pictures of empty grocery stores. We have a responsibility as citizens to maintain order ourselves and not devolve into chaos. It’s totally understandable to be scared but we can’t let that fear overtake reason and order. The more people discuss the scenario you mention above the more likely it is to happen. So please consider that before posting more worst case scenarios. Nothing but love for ya. For real.

Buddy look I can't help if people don't like what 'm having to say about this situation. Look I'm not going to be another person that wants to stick their head in an hole like Some dam Ostrich , and try to ignore reality, stick your head in their take your phone with you and wait for someone to call and say it's ok to come out now.

Look in case you aren't aware that bottom line these are things that our society has now become, and if you can't see or just want to accept that things like this can an do happen in these type situations then buddy I am truly sorry for you T he one thing I WON'T allow is for some one to come back and ty to talk to me as some child an scold me for something I post - -come on it's 2020 man not 19- - something this is life - -this is what w have become unfortuntly at times like this.

Whether you want to hear it or not - IT'S HERE. - Really tired whenI post thing people always so always so quick in response cause oh i stepped on someone's sensitive toes you just go ahead and try and duck things buddy and then when it happens to you can be one of those that are like - - what the hell happened where did this come from - -not me, it just stuns me when people always want to hear sugar coated things and can or won't accept reality

And NOT your statement about things such as this is why grocery shelves are still empty - - you couldn't be further off base as base could be. there empty cause ya people are afraid but sure the hell not because people taken pictures - -that's past funny. - I'm still here and you can take it to the bank that yes I WILL continue to express MY FEELINGS AND OPINIONS. -so don't bother ok? your right we do have a responsibility , but it doesn't say we can only post happy feelings that make you feel all warm and fuzzy insie - -People have a right to know and need to know that yes there are other aspects - and some not so nice, but these times are when you suck it up and accept things for what they are.

If you want to turn away and not realize then again I truly am and feel sorry for you. If you don't see Martial law coming them all I can say is - - - -umm , ummm , ummm so many things following right down the line in order.

!st we told that this will be over with fairly soon. no closures , little restrictions , then we see progressing , Airlines - -50 % reduction in work forces - -Govt offices closing , Retail closing then we have the President saying well maybe if we do a good job this might be done with By August/Sept - President saying we might be headed for a recession -Total shutdowns of Schools , then you see the people acting like idiots at the stores, we see Military Guard booths being placed around govt here in our area - Hospitals with Military guard stations. -- Borders shut down to all Europe - - Boders Mexico not allowing AMERICANS into Mexico shutting down - -Now Northern border being shut down no Americans going into Canada - becoming total Isolation - coming really close to total shutdown Can you say MARTIAL LAW ? you still don't see that - dam sorry, and buddy don't shoot the messenger - just telling what the people who ARE buying these guns and ammo are talking - -talking about potecting their families. not the media again they relaying what the American Citzens are saying/thinking So please don't come at me and try and act like I'm --never mind I'm done

@jayballer73 wasn’t trying to criticize friend just pointing out how fear and panic spread. Didn’t mean to imply you shouldn’t share your thoughts and feelings. Just trying to think collectively right now in an individualist society. Again, nothing but love, stay safe, rock chalk buddy.

Some interesting stats on media coverage and people’s response to the pandemic. Just stats for the most part with little commentary. Thoughts?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 wasn’t trying to criticize friend just pointing out how fear and panic spread. Didn’t mean to imply you shouldn’t share your thoughts and feelings. Just trying to think collectively right now in an individualist society. Again, nothing but love, stay safe, rock chalk buddy.

very trying times for me really edgy so sorry just really on edge as awaiting results myself of positive or not with my granddaughter from Wyandotte County. - need on of those big Chill Pills -ROCK CHALK

@jayballer73 Same here man. Staying in is not as easy as just pop on Netflix and it’s all good. Really sorry if I contributed to any further anxiety for you. Not my intent.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 Same here man. Staying in is not as easy as just pop on Netflix and it’s all good. Really sorry if I contributed to any further anxiety for you. Not my intent.

right back at you buddy we will get through together

@jayballer73 good stuff. I appreciate your takes. It is good to be realistic and I think we are better able to discern reality by getting many different thoughts. Pooling our resources.

It's time like these where you really have to fight against the FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Be smart. Understand the risk. Don’t panic. We’ll come out the other end. Maybe with a cough. Idk

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Be smart. Understand the risk. Don’t panic. We’ll come out the other end. Maybe with a cough. Idk

NO FARMER I NEED DRONES AND ASSAULT RIFLES FOR WHEN THE SUPPLY ENDS AND PEOPLE TRY TO SOME STEAL MY TP.

@BShark as @bskeet said (I think) this is a game of prisoners dilemma. If the other guy goes feral then you may want to at least have a plan for that.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark as @bskeet said (I think) this is a game of prisoners dilemma. If the other guy goes feral then you may want to at least have a plan for that.

It’s definitely a classic run. You see someone with a lot of TP, you might think they know something you don’t so you get more, and on it goes.

@approxinfinity @FarmerJayhawk Yeah I've seen things about police no longer arresting for most crimes. I know someone that had their car stolen and the police told them "lol" basically. So definitely watch your back right now for sure.

Boy Oh Boy, we actually have uniformed Police officers at Walmart here in Topeka standing in the aisle where the Toilet Paper , Paper Towels and such are and only allowing people two items apiece. - - lol - -how crazy is that ? -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 sad that it's necessary

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 sad that it's necessary

Very True

If all the stores had the cojones to have a policy it wouldnt be necessary.

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Christ. I’ve been informed a communion assistant at my home church back home tested positive after serving communion Sunday. 28% of the county’s population is over 65.

@FarmerJayhawk on no, that's devastating.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk on no, that's devastating.

Hoping it’s just one of those small town rumors. My Grandma would’ve been exposed. She’s 80. A remarkably healthy 80, but still 80.

@FarmerJayhawk I can't believe they were doing that!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk I can't believe they were doing that!

More evidence people need to take this very seriously!

Can they stream? Churches here r doing that

My moms church couldn’t do that, nor would she know how to do it. Same as ESPN+

My parents church did a group phone call that one of the church members set up. They just had to dial in.

@approxinfinity any cases reported in your area?

@DoubleDD here's a passage from a book called "Logically Fellacious" that explains two of your commonly employed logical fallacies about the truthfulness of other posters' comments.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Circumstantial ↗

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association ↗

@Crimsonorblue22 there's one in my county and a couple others in neighboring counties. It's everywhere. This isn't going away. and here I thought the previous generation always gave their kids more complicated f'd up problems than they inherited. Nothing like going to a crowded beach for spring break. Too bad our elderly have to pay the price for it.

@approxinfinity Case in Texas traces back to someone returning from south padre. The beaches were definitely a bad choice.

I spend a lot of time on cruise forums. Cruisers are disproportionately 60 and over, and they were showing the same "no one tells me what to do" attitude and continuing to go on cruises until the lines finally shut down. It isn't generational, it's the universal invincibility belief that something bad won't happen to me. Explains why you sometimes have to threaten people with kicking them out of the car to get them to wear a seat belt.

@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I spend a lot of time on cruise forums. .

HVAC forums are more my thing... ran across one a while back and got hooked on Manual J calculation.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 there's one in my county and a couple others in neighboring counties. It's everywhere. This isn't going away. and here I thought the previous generation always gave their kids more complicated f'd up problems than they inherited. Nothing like going to a crowded beach for spring break. Too bad our elderly have to pay the price for it.

they was talking with a Doctor this morning and finding that the cases in Italy was different then China, saying that yes it was effecting younger. - -Did a breakdown of numbers , and said there is a fairly decent amount of cases between the ages of 20-54 years of age, that are in hospitals amd on ventilators equaling 29 % of the cases. - Yet while there is these numbers they ARE saying the mortality rate is a lot better only about 1 % fatilities with this age range. - -

Still these kids have that approach of I don't care. - -They were interviewing some and the general thyme was the it doesn't matter, saying oh well If I get the virus - - I get the virus , talking how they had been looking , forward to the break and no virus was going to stop them from invading the beaches what eve happens - -happens. - Super no thought for the elderly.

@DanR I would like to say that sounds really interesting!

Well, I would like to say that..... 🥴

Dentists going to emergency only next week. Thanks @Crimsonorblue22 for the early scoop.

approxinfinity said:

If all the stores had the cojones to have a policy it wouldnt be necessary.

Target in Overland Park put a policy in place last Friday the 13th. Only two cases of bottled water and 1 package of TP.

I didn't have any problems getting groceries there last weekend.

Up to34 confirmed cases now here in Kansas. - -Johnson Co leading the way with 16 Wyandotte I think they said had 8. - -Leavenworth with 2 Butler Co ,Jackson Co , Morris Co , Douglas Co can't remember the others

@jayballer73 ford co, brought in from out of state

I’m at the vet, curb side dog pick up! I’m still going nuts.

I read that liquor stores are now offering curbside pickup!

@bcjayhawk hitting it hard!?

@Crimsonorblue22 Noe at the moment (I'm at work!!), but if I decide to, I won't have to get out of my car to get a supply LOL.

@bcjayhawk I'm hoping everyone will use curbside services during this reeeeaaaalllly long time! I feel for them! Gift cards are still great gift ideas too.

I dont know. Shoudl we use curbside? I havent left my house in 4 days.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I dont know. Shoudl we use curbside? I havent left my house in 4 days.

Buying groceries and cooking (or just buying junk food, but I can't recommend that) seems like a much better idea. Minimizes interaction and risk.

@bcjayhawk https://www.kfdi.com/2020/03/19/sedgwick-county-sees-first-presumptive-positive-case-of-covid-19/ ↗

@bcjayhawk oh no to close now!

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes it is. I hope everyone is taking precautions, but a certain amount of life has to go on. My family is fortunate to have two fridges and a good sized freezer, but you still need stuff from the store like fresh produce, eggs, etc. I saw something about freezing milk, but didn't read anything but the headline which indicated you could. We bought a few packages of frozen veggies just in case.

@bcjayhawk I heard u can freeze milk. Not an expert though!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@bcjayhawk I heard u can freeze milk. Not an expert though!

you can buddy, The wife and I freeze milk all the time. - We buy 4-5 gallons keep one out & freeze the others. Pull the next one out overnight and good to go. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@bcjayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes it is. I hope everyone is taking precautions, but a certain amount of life has to go on. My family is fortunate to have two fridges and a good sized freezer, but you still need stuff from the store like fresh produce, eggs, etc. I saw something about freezing milk, but didn't read anything but the headline which indicated you could. We bought a few packages of frozen veggies just in case.

Thing is good luck finding any. My sister went to just buy some potatoes/eggs in her local little town - - - NONE - -came into Topeka and finally found some Potatoes but no eggs.

Walmart is going to start allowing Seniors to shop for a hour before anyone else. - -Thing is though like I said and I'm serious about this , it's still going to be dark and it's about toget really tricky. - - People not able to find things, hope they have somebody watch as we leave the store , worry about getting jumped and our stuff taken

Went to the store in Austin yesterday. Plenty of food if you aren’t too picky. A LOT of fresh food but out of specific things like eggs, pasta, cleaning supplies. Restaurants still serving to go and drive through. I’m betting the runs at stores will slow down in the next 3 weeks once people start to realize the food isn’t going away and at some point you have to eat all the crap you just bought!

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Went to the store in Austin yesterday. Plenty of food if you aren’t too picky. A LOT of fresh food but out of specific things like eggs, pasta, cleaning supplies. Restaurants still serving to go and drive through. I’m betting the runs at stores will slow down in the next 3 weeks once people start to realize the food isn’t going away and at some point you have to eat all the crap you just bought!

This is what I keep telling myself and others too. Yesterday we couldn’t find eggs but did find grapes, oranges, and avocados. The rush, fingers crossed, knock on wood, and pray is mostly slowing down.

Reno co has one now. A lil nervous.

Supply chains have not been interrupted yet so we just need some damn limits in place. I'm well stocked at least.

A Friend out of Wichita said at a Walmart there they bought meat , got up to the registar and found for every meat item they purchased - -it had to be rung up on a separate transaction. - -I really don't get the purpose of that.

Another words IF you bought 8 different kinds of meat - -they have to ring up 8 transactions - what the hell is the purpose of that?

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

A Friend out of Wichita said at a Walmart there they bought meat , got up to the registar and found for every meat item they purchased - -it had to be rung up on a separate transaction. - -I really don't get the purpose of that.

Another words IF you bought 8 different kinds of meat - -they have to ring up 8 transactions - what the hell is the purpose of that?

To limit panic buying. I was at my store earlier and they had 0 beef in stock. Really irritating. It’s not the best way of doing it. Maybe one of the worst, honestly.

Wonder why they let them do it? I know a friend said somebody at Walmart was stopped from getting 2 pkgs of tp.

Here’s another article with some interesting takes.
https://medium.com/ ↗@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

A Friend out of Wichita said at a Walmart there they bought meat , got up to the registar and found for every meat item they purchased - -it had to be rung up on a separate transaction. - -I really don't get the purpose of that.

Another words IF you bought 8 different kinds of meat - -they have to ring up 8 transactions - what the hell is the purpose of that?

To limit panic buying. I was at my store earlier and they had 0 beef in stock. Really irritating. It’s not the best way of doing it. Maybe one of the worst, honestly.

Not sure about that because Walmart isn't saying they can't buy that many items , it's just that all they are doing is for every meat item they have to ring in a single item and close out - -ring it up again - - ring out - - ring it up again, they are not gaining anything by doing this. The customer is STILL buying those 8 separate items of meat. Hamburger , Bacon , Sausage , Steak etc , etc. All they are causing by doing this is just causing longer lines and getting other customers even MORE upset by having to stand in line longer

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients ↗

Mercy

@BShark https://apple.news/AeAF-cKFZQ2K-FX-QfkOF6g ↗

Have u watched any of the trump news conferences this week? These stories make me want to punch him! I just can’t handle the lack of empathy or understanding of what Our medical help are doing to save us. I’m pretty scared! If any of you have watched any news you know what I mean

@Crimsonorblue22 Trump's stupidity is infuriating but I've caught snippets on Twitter.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients ↗

Mercy

This scared the shit out of me.

@approxinfinity yeah, I've been linking it everywhere. Powerful.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 Trump's stupidity is infuriating but I've caught snippets on Twitter.

Ahhh so when we are in a time for solidarity as a Nation your one of the one's that would instead want to try and point fingers and place blame ? - - - Ahh got ya buddy I understand , ya that makes things MUCH MUCH better let's play the blame game - -ya that's it whatever works for ya. Main while back at the ranch.

Trump was on this back in January and trying to do what he COULD DO at the time while the good old Democrats were ignoring and try to line up people so they could impeach Trump instead of worrying about this major problem at hand.

It's ok just myself I STILL consider you very intelligent insider in our over all KU scheme and we all have opinions which we are all entitled to, it's just I think at a time when we need to be solidified as a Country right now - -as been said by others - this IS NOT a time to get small and try and point fingers. Lot bigger issue to deal with then be a type of well he did this - - he didn't do that - - they said this -- they didn't say anything. Ok that is all I'm not going to go back and forth all that took place was you voice an opinion which is fine ,& I took my option and voiced my rebuttal to that - -game over no harm no foul, have a great day my friend - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Bad leadership? Says who ? You. When did you become an expert on leadership? I mean your boy Obama and the Biben team did a worse job on H1N1.

I don’t know, how about the American citizens join forces And keep a virus at bay. But no let’s play politics.

@benshawks08 maybe you would rather have a president say to all Americans you are all screwed. Deal with it? Is that what you really want. Think you can protect your stock pile of toilet paper?

@benshawks08 there can be unity, but there will always people like you that won’t approve unless there is a D in office. Doesn’t matter what they do as long as they have a D beside their name.

Your boy? Cuomo is doing a better job. We could use a proactive guy. Get the freaking supplies! Let the Dr deal w/the meds. Trump is not a dr. Terrible job!

Maybe we should have been taking this seriously in January.

@BShark yep, and he knew, a wave he said, wash right thru

@Crimsonorblue22 didn't want big numbers hurting that re-election campaign.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Your boy? Cuomo is doing a better job. We could use a proactive guy. Get the freaking supplies! Let the Dr deal w/the meds. Trump is not a dr. Terrible job!

You do know the whole world is short on supplies? Nobody knew because the China Government didn’t share or warn. Yet I get it because it’s a reb President blast him. Yet bet you think Obama did a great job with h1n1.

https://apple.news/AhKw-WeOPQXaQtdF-NTEbeA ↗

Fair enough yet it was everybody not just your hate for trump.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/21/21189179/coronavirus-trump-intelligence-reports-warned-pandemic ↗

Hate to see it.

Thanks for proving my point. Yet the evil Trump has us on the right path.

Trump and news outlets that downplayed this when there was info and warnings have blood on their hands imo.

The Quickest president to shut down the borders and flights. Go figure

But I know he’s a racist that’s the only reason he wanted to do it because he’s a racist. LOL

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This clown too.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

But I know he’s a racist that’s only reason you want to do it because he’s a racist. LOL

Calling it the China virus helps literally nothing. That's some shit to play to his base.

Slowest about getting help, not doing 💩 ignoring numbers. Thinks he's a dr. His own dr tells him he's wrong. You are just blind to his wrong doings. He continues to lie.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

But I know he’s a racist that’s only reason you want to do it because he’s a racist. LOL

Calling it the China virus helps literally nothing. That's some shit to play to his base.

Playing political correctness is not the time. Did not this virus originate in China? Did they not try to blame US military for this virus? And you’re protecting China? Wow

@DoubleDD what a dumb thing to say!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD what a dumb thing to say!

So dumb? How come the Chinese government didn’t let the world know about this virus. Yeah you’re going to defend them? How many lives could have been saved? All because you want a D president. No you’re dumb

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

But I know he’s a racist that’s only reason you want to do it because he’s a racist. LOL

Calling it the China virus helps literally nothing. That's some shit to play to his base.

Playing political correctness is not the time. Did notice those originate in China. Do not try to blame US military for this virus? And you’re protecting China? Wow

That's. Not. The. Name. Calling it that just doesn't help anything. The ONLY thing it can do is incite real racism. Asians are scared and buying guns over this. What's not to understand here?

If you have read my posts you will know not only am I putting blame on China, but I think they covered up millions of deaths. Where did I blame the US military for anything? Slow response to a tricky virus has cost human lives, public not taking it seriously enough due to poor messaging has not helped. Puts us in the same boat as Italy or worse. Compare to other countries that took it seriously, tested rigorously and isolated sooner.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD what a dumb thing to say!

So dumb? How come the Chinese government didn’t let the world know about this virus. Yeah you’re going to defend them? How many lives could have been saved? All because you want a D president. No you’re dumb

We knew about this last year, Trump literally ignored it. No way around this.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

But I know he’s a racist that’s only reason you want to do it because he’s a racist. LOL

Calling it the China virus helps literally nothing. That's some shit to play to his base.

Playing political correctness is not the time. Did notice those originate in China. Do not try to blame US military for this virus? And you’re protecting China? Wow

That's. Not. The. Name. Calling it that just doesn't help anything. The ONLY thing it can do is incite real racism. Asians are scared and buying guns over this. What's not to understand here?

If you have read my posts you will know not only am I putting blame on China, but I think they covered up millions of deaths. Where did I blame the US military for anything? Slow response to a tricky virus has cost human lives, public not taking it seriously enough due to poor messaging has not helped. Puts us in the same boat as Italy or worse. Compare to other countries that took it seriously, tested rigorously and isolated sooner.

Last time I checked almost every country in Europe is in lockdown mode so would it advantage are you talking about

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD what a dumb thing to say!

So dumb? How come the Chinese government didn’t let the world know about this virus. Yeah you’re going to defend them? How many lives could have been saved? All because you want a D president. No you’re dumb

We knew about this last year, Trump literally ignored it. No way around this.

Last time I checked all of Europe is basically in lockdown mode so what advantages you talking about?

@DoubleDD I was a republican during the last election.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD I was a republican during the last election.

No you wasn’t. I seen your post. You’re like a transgender person oh I’m a male and a female. No I’m a Democrat no I’m a Republican

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD I was a republican during the last election.

No you wasn’t. I seen your post. Do you like a transgender person oh I’m a male and a female. No I’m a Democrat no I’m a Republican

Transgender rights are human rights.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD I was a republican during the last election.

No you wasn’t. I seen your post. Do you like a transgender person oh I’m a male and a female. No I’m a Democrat no I’m a Republican

Transgender rights are human rights.

True .But I don’t know who they are

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD I was a republican during the last election.

No you wasn’t. I seen your post. Do you like a transgender person oh I’m a male and a female. No I’m a Democrat no I’m a Republican

Transgender rights are human rights.

True .But I don’t know who they are

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

But I know he’s a racist that’s only reason you want to do it because he’s a racist. LOL

Calling it the China virus helps literally nothing. That's some shit to play to his base.

Playing political correctness is not the time. Did notice those originate in China. Do not try to blame US military for this virus? And you’re protecting China? Wow

That's. Not. The. Name. Calling it that just doesn't help anything. The ONLY thing it can do is incite real racism. Asians are scared and buying guns over this. What's not to understand here?

If you have read my posts you will know not only am I putting blame on China, but I think they covered up millions of deaths. Where did I blame the US military for anything? Slow response to a tricky virus has cost human lives, public not taking it seriously enough due to poor messaging has not helped. Puts us in the same boat as Italy or worse. Compare to other countries that took it seriously, tested rigorously and isolated sooner.

Last time I checked almost every country in Europe is in lockdown mode so would it advantage are you talking about

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD what a dumb thing to say!

So dumb? How come the Chinese government didn’t let the world know about this virus. Yeah you’re going to defend them? How many lives could have been saved? All because you want a D president. No you’re dumb

We knew about this last year, Trump literally ignored it. No way around this.

Last time I checked all of Europe is basically in lockdown mode so what advantages you talking about?

You seem confused. Lockdown is the correct thing to do and the sooner the better, we were slow about that and testing compared to some other countries.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

But I know he’s a racist that’s only reason you want to do it because he’s a racist. LOL

Calling it the China virus helps literally nothing. That's some shit to play to his base.

Playing political correctness is not the time. Did notice those originate in China. Do not try to blame US military for this virus? And you’re protecting China? Wow

That's. Not. The. Name. Calling it that just doesn't help anything. The ONLY thing it can do is incite real racism. Asians are scared and buying guns over this. What's not to understand here?

If you have read my posts you will know not only am I putting blame on China, but I think they covered up millions of deaths. Where did I blame the US military for anything? Slow response to a tricky virus has cost human lives, public not taking it seriously enough due to poor messaging has not helped. Puts us in the same boat as Italy or worse. Compare to other countries that took it seriously, tested rigorously and isolated sooner.

Last time I checked almost every country in Europe is in lockdown mode so would it advantage are you talking about

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD what a dumb thing to say!

So dumb? How come the Chinese government didn’t let the world know about this virus. Yeah you’re going to defend them? How many lives could have been saved? All because you want a D president. No you’re dumb

We knew about this last year, Trump literally ignored it. No way around this.

Last time I checked all of Europe is basically in lockdown mode so what advantages you talking about?

You seem confused. Lockdown is the correct thing to do and the sooner the better, we were slow about that and testing compared to some other countries.

And so you’re going to tell me the trump could actually lock down the country without the help of the dem party?

Do you not remember Chuck Schumer Was calling racist when trump was trying to shut down the borders in the flights from China?

@DoubleDD Taking this seriously in January would have been a start. Instead we are seeing the beginning of triage in states like Louisiana.

Too many MUH FREEDOM types in the US. And look freedom is good but there is a time to shut up and listen. That time probably involves a horrible disease.

I'll still be here when the death tolls in the US start rising to gross numbers.

I was, all my life. I didn't vote for him. Changed during the KS state fair, after the election. I don't lie and I don't care what u think. Don't ever talk to me again. You are racist, sexist, looks like homophobe too.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I'll still be here when the death tolls in the US start rising to gross numbers.

I’m hoping that’s not the case. I’m hoping we solve this problem. But you blaming Trump, So your boy Biden can win election is just sick.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

So your boy Biden

Okay, now I know you are trolling.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I was, all my life. I didn't vote for him. Changed during the KS state fair, after the election. I don't lie and I don't care what u think. Don't ever talk to me again. You are racist, sexist, looks like homophobe too.

So you admit that you lied about voting for the Republican president last time. And I have no problems ever talking to your shady ass ever again. And let’s be honest you responded to me I didn’t respond to you until after you respond to me. So take your heart and spirit and go to your safe place.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

So your boy Biden

Okay, now I know you are trolling.

How? because I don’t blame Trump for everything like you do?

Look I was just called a A homophobe by @Crimsonorblue22. Yet that was never even a part of the conversation? Nice to cast judgment. But I won’t get no justice here.

@DoubleDD You are just automatically attacking based on Ds and Rs. I don't like Biden, I've been clear about that on this forum even.

Never said Trump is shouldering all the blame either. China had a hand in it, so did Bill Gates, that Harvard professor etc... But to act like Trump is free and clear? No he has cost American lives in his handling of this. I'd say the same thing no matter the letter next to the president's name.

@BShark

You want to show me that you’re fair and balanced on this website? I was just called a homophobe by @Crimsonorblue22. Are you going to correct or not?

This conversation had nothing to do about being a Homophobe

@DoubleDD I never ever voted or said I voted for trump! I've been a republican all my life till after trump, I switched. You were probably drunk

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD I never ever voted or said I voted for trump! I've been a republican all my life till after trump, I switched. You were probably drunk

Oh I’m not dropping this. Why did you call me a homophobe?

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark

You want to show me that you’re fair and balanced on this website? I was just called a homophobe by @Crimsonorblue22. Are you going to correct or not?

What do you want me to do? I'm a regular user same as you. If you have a strong complaint maybe take it up with approx? But I'd like to think we could self police and all just cut that out.

Is this not a fair website or not? I was just called a homophobe and this had nothing to do with the conversation. @BShark are you a facilitator of this website?

I am more than willing to debate all topics and admit when I’m wrong. Yet don’t call me names when it has nothing to do with the damn topic

Absolutely not.

@approxinfinity runs the site.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Absolutely not.

@approxinfinity runs the site.

Okay bubba my bad. Thought you was.

I just post too much. :D

@BShark back to a more civil conversation. Can Trump be blamed for dropping the ball. Of course. Yet that is arm chair QB stuff. The important thing is where are we at now? There will be a time of judgment when we beat this virus. China being at the top of the list.

@DoubleDD Agree!

Also in case you missed this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-chinese-nationals-arrest-espionage/index.html ↗

Lots of blame to go around with this. I think some things were deliberate but that's for another time and thread.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Bad leadership? Says who ? You. When did you become an expert on leadership? I mean your boy Obama and the Biben team did a worse job on H1N1.

I don’t know, how about the American citizens join forces And keep a virus at bay. But no let’s play politics.

Absolutely amazing that you advocate not “playing politics” in a post where you use the classic what about Obama tactic.

Shutting down flights from China was a good move. But can you honestly everything sense then has been “perfect,” “10/10”? Yesterday he put recommendations for an unproven medication combination to treat the virus causing a run on essential medication for people with Lupis. He’s taken every opportunity to “play politics” and bash Biden whenever he has a chance. Just blind worship from you on trump at this point.

You bring up transgender people for no reason at all and then whine and complain that this isn’t a safe place for you and it’s not “fair and balanced” (wonder where you got that one...). Whose the real snowflake here? This had been a pretty civil thread until you took it off the rails. Most of us aren’t actually talking republican vs dem but you choose to see it that way. Look above for praise all around for a variety of republican governors from myself and others. So who is really “playing politics?”

Also, interesting you don’t protest the racist and sexist accusations. If you don’t like being labeled such things, maybe don’t spew hateful rhetoric.

If you want to see what real thoughtful debate and disagreement looks like, check out @FarmerJayhawk. A real pro at disagreeing with someone, providing true support for an argument, and never making it or taking it personal. No point trying that with you in your current state.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Bad leadership? Says who ? You. When did you become an expert on leadership? I mean your boy Obama and the Biben team did a worse job on H1N1.

I don’t know, how about the American citizens join forces And keep a virus at bay. But no let’s play politics.

Absolutely amazing that you advocate not “playing politics” in a post where you use the classic what about Obama tactic.

Shitting down flights from China was a good move. But can you honestly everything sense then has been “perfect,” “10/10”? Yesterday he put recommendations for an unproven medication combination to treat the virus causing a run on essential medication for people with Lupis. He’s taken every opportunity to “play politics” and bash Biden whenever he has a chance. Just blind worship from you on trump at this point.

You bring up transgender people for no reason at all and then whine and complain that this isn’t a safe place for you and it’s not “fair and balanced” (wonder where you got that one...). Whose the real snowflake here? This had been a pretty civil thread until you took it off the rails. Most of us aren’t actually talking republican vs dem but you choose to see it that way. Look above for praise all around for a variety of republican governors from myself and others. So who is really “playing politics?”

Also, interesting you don’t protest the racist and sexist accusations. If you don’t like being labeled such things, maybe don’t spew hateful rhetoric.

If you want to see what real thoughtful debate and disagreement looks like, check out @FarmerJayhawk. A real pro at disagreeing with someone, providing true support for an argument, and never making it or taking it personal. No point trying that with you in your current state.

My friend if you think trump is playing politics? I don’t know what To say? We all know Trump (ego problem). Yet what president has done better in handling this coronavirus? I mean how many Americans died before Obama declared a national problem?

@DoubleDD Moon Jae-in

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD Moon Jae-in

I’m not a educated as you. You’ll have to explain.

@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

no if you look I was taling about not having to have blind faith to realize that the game he mentioned being played on CBS . Don't need blind faith OR hope to know KU was really good in 2008

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.

So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem

No.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?

The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.

So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem

How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still haven’t caught up to them in testing numbers.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

No.

Ye I think you are

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?

The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?

What are you even talking about here?

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.

So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem

How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still haven’t caught up to them in testing numbers.

Good question I guess we can blame the whole world? Maybe they don’t have a fda

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?

The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?

What are you even talking about here?

Trump is hanging his hat on French scientists cure or curb of the coronavirus.

@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. It’s really refreshing

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?

The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?

What are you even talking about here?

Trump is hanging his hat on French scientists cure or curb of the coronavirus.

Hadn’t heard about that. Have heard there’s a scientist in Singapore who has developed a yes that can tell if you’ve EVER had covid-19. Likely to be able to tell up to 20 years later if you ever got it. Not so helps right now but could be going forward as we try to track how this thing got so out of control.

Good thread on how the FDA boned this from the start 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Also, thank you for the kind words @benshawks08!

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Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-and-antibiotic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/ ↗

Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now

As far as I know

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

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Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!

I'd ever there was a time to cut the bs it is now.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. It’s really refreshing

Is this for real or ironic. Not trying to start stuff. Just really can’t tell! Civility isn’t always my strong suit.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

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Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!

It's insane. The Senate almost had a deal then Pelosi comes in all LEEEEEROY JEEEEENKINS and could nuke the whole thing.

@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ ↗

Think it’s bad?

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-and-antibiotic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/ ↗

Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now

I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT's. It's also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don't really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren't even tested for virus. That's really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ ↗

Think it’s bad?

It's not good! It'll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernie's plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.

Good thing no one is struggling financially in the mean time...

@BShark probably are. I'm more concerned about the safety of the medical community. I can't believe we are living in a world where we are sewing medical masks.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-and-antibiotic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/ ↗

Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now

I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT's. It's also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don't really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren't even tested for virus. That's really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).

And so what would the great @FarmerJayhawk do? Lol Where Is your evidence that study is a Joke? I know how you like to throw around your opinion without Any evidence. Oh I forgot when the great @FarmerJayhawk says it’s crap it’s crap. Lmao

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ ↗

Think it’s bad?

It's not good! It'll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernie's plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.

Crap you know it and so do i

See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.

https://news.3m.com/blog/3m-stories/ceo-update-3ms-response-covid-19?utm_term=corp-brd-en_us-ba-brand-osm-twt-na-learn-photocard-mar20-na ↗

This seems good.

Great read @BShark

It will be interesting to see where we are when this blows over. I’m trying to find an article that I read talking about the possibility of millions being jobless and starving by next winter.

Guess everyone is passing time arguing about Trump on this thread lol

@kjayhawks It's super not great that's for sure. A reset of sorts.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.

Dude I literally just blamed Congress for the lack of stimulus. Plenty to go around.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-and-antibiotic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/ ↗

Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now

I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT's. It's also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don't really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren't even tested for virus. That's really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).

And so what would the great @FarmerJayhawk do? Lol Where Is your evidence that study is a Joke? I know how you like to throw around your opinion without Any evidence. Oh I forgot when the great @FarmerJayhawk says it’s crap it’s crap. Lmao

Do a clinical RCT like we do in any science already. Need bare minimum 100 subjects, all tested positive for COVID. Try the treatment, maintain treatment assignment and compliance. Then track outcomes over the course of treatment. You know, basic science.

So far we've had promises of:

A million test kits by monday (two weeks ago)
Perfect tests for everyone who wants one (LOL)
Google Website (LOL)
Drive thru testing at walmart (LOL)
Promising Malaria drugs (LOL)

Good grief, people. Just tell me what you want to hear. /conman

@DanR you hear? https://ldchealth.org/civicalerts.aspx?AID=247 ↗

@DanR I am just so very proud that we are doing so much better than other countries and have it completely under control.

@Crimsonorblue22 Germany is now restricting public gatherings to two people (except for families).

@mayjay sarcasm?

@mayjay would 2 people be called a gathering?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@mayjay sarcasm?

I was just seeing if an intelligent person could say "completely under control" with a straight face. I discovered it is indeed impossible. There are two possible explanations for POTUS having done so. One explanation is that he actually cracked up and they edited the videotape. But careful examination of the video shows no sign of editing.

And so, the other explanation seems to be the only one left..

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.

Dude I literally just blamed Congress for the lack of stimulus. Plenty to go around.

What is Pelosi doiiing jfc.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.

Dude I literally just blamed Congress for the lack of stimulus. Plenty to go around.

What is Pelosi doiiing jfc.

I’m livid. The Senate bill isn’t perfect. I wanted at bare minimum $2 trillion and open ended commitments but there’s not time to mess around. Instead we have to wait 2+ days for a deal in the House to come together and then the chambers to agree on something.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments ↗

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments ↗

Glad they agree with my assessment of the study from France. Wasn’t worth much.

@FarmerJayhawk Gotta have some stipulation for businesses keeping employees paid, right? Otherwise what is the bill doing? This is such a mess.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk Gotta have some stipulation for businesses keeping employees paid, right? Otherwise what is the bill doing? This is such a mess.

From what I gather, a bipartisan group (Rubio, Collins, Cardin, Shaheen) did the small business portion and their loans were only eligible for forgiveness if they maintained payroll. I can’t find the text of the amendment to confirm myself but I’ll look again tomorrow.

@FarmerJayhawk What I saw said "maintain payroll as possible" leaving lots of ambiguity on what that would mean.

Ok, stop the bullshit. While the Average American , worker/families is the one getting hurt in this , YOU the fricken Congress/Senators continue to play your bullshit Jr High School games. Time to put a pair of big boy panties on act like you got a pair and get this crap settled/done I could give a rats ass if it's Mcconnell/Schummer/ or whatever it is Pelosi however the hell you spell her name - -people know who the hell I'm talking about. - Get off your perch, stoop trying to thump your own chest - time to swallow your dam REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRATIC pride and get this dam bill done & done NOW.

While you continue to play your little squabble bullshit game of I'll give you a marble - - no I WANT TWO it's your trash Collector , your School Lunch makers - you stay at home Mom's - the A typical average Joe that's getting F- - - - - around because of your parties simple plain bull shit. Hell you /the Congress you got your money, you ain't got to worry hell the money you make , I mean every time we turn around your taking time out to vote to give yourselves pay increases. Get your shit together Think about the Average American for a change. these people are losing money everyday - Stop the BS and get this bill passed/signed and in place. The people need this help, they have kids to feed, mortages to try and make, try to put food on the table during these times Do your Care? - - I mean seriously do you really care? - or you just trying to make your party look good.

I don't have an iron in the fire on this stimulus I live on my little meager 1,043 a month from my disability. I won't get a check from this BUT there are people that need this for sure. Come on I could give a rats ass about either of your parties at this point, screw your parties just do your job - -for a change. JUST GET IT DONE. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG

The Senate is melting down while Pelosi dithers trying to get f**** airplane emissions standards in the House bill. I’m at a total loss.
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/39-year-old-woman-dies-waiting-for-coronavirus-test-results/ ↗

welp

@BShark she should've had rands test!

@BShark I don't think I posted this here, but look at our KS leg. This is how they treated our governor! Can you imagine where we'd be w/brokeback!
https://www.hutchnews.com/news/20200322/5-days-of-kansas-coronavirus-talk-how-rapidly-changing-story-unfolded-in-political-arena ↗

I truly hope their constituents heard their remarks.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments ↗

Glad they agree with my assessment of the study from France. Wasn’t worth much.

I’m glad you like. I’m a fair person. Unlike some people labeling you without any evidence to back it up. You know the type claim to be one way when really at their core they are another. Don’t have time for people like that. Those types always have agenda, and it’s never for the greater good.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.

So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem

How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still haven’t caught up to them in testing numbers.

Because they didn’t need as many?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-myths-explored ↗

@DoubleDD Tell me more about that. I don’t think I’m following.

Well for one south Korea is a small state compared to United States of America. The populations don’t even compare. Second this virus started in this part of the world they’ve had a bit of a Headstart on the rest of the world. That’s China trying to keep the lid on this as long as They could. Notice how in that part of the world the numbers of infected are going down yet in the rest of the world they’re going up? What is it because they are smarter? If china was so damn smart then why do they steal everybody else’s technology and research? Sadly I’m hearing and reading now that the Chinese want to withhold drugs to the rest of the world mainly United States that could circumvent this virus.

Yet again hearsay

On a promising note the supreme ruler of China who is not elected has promised Trump Who can be elected out of office. That is not the case.

I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?

Why can’t this narrative die https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IPG3254N ↗

@FarmerJayhawk nice link, thanks.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk nice link, thanks.

FRED is amazing

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?

Why can’t this narrative die https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IPG3254N ↗

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877 ↗

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/economy/coronavirus-china-trump-drugs.html ↗

some narratives just don’t change, when there is to much evidence and agreement that it is indeed true.

This factoid made me go hmm... "The Food and Drug Administration does not gather precise figures on the volume of drugs made overseas — only the number of facilities making them. According to that data, 72 percent of manufacturing facilities making active pharmaceutical ingredients for American drugs were overseas, with 13 percent in China."

Yes, a substantial amount of drugs are made in China. But your claim, "we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese" is just wrong on its face. And as a matter of economics starting a trade war or putting tariffs on Chinese products will make those drugs we do import more expensive. Do you want that?

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And not to absolve the WHO on this, who peddled Chinese propaganda. 🐦 View Tweet?s=20

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

And not to absolve the WHO on this, who peddled Chinese propaganda. 🐦 View Tweet?s=20

Complicit.

I bet the real Chinese death toll for this is in the millions.

This whole Virus thing really sucks . Causing major Personal problems for me now.

My Daughter had to rush to the hospital in KCK today , having major pain in her abdominal area , could hardly touch her stomach from her breasts down , swollen. - Her Boyfriend took her in - -both had to be scanned for the virus making sure no Temp , the he Boyfriend was told to leave could not be with her. He was not allowed to stay in the Hospital anywhere, He was told he would have to stay in the Parking lot or go home.

Well we know she is NOT GOOD because they came back to her and rushing her in for emergency surgery. The only way we knew this was her talking to us before she went in for surgery. - -Hey boyfriend is about to freak not knowing , we have no idea how she is doing, we can't be with her either.

Her mom and I know it has to be a serious surgery cause they had said all non essential surgeries were being postponed. - - My Daughter had to have an ovary removed sometime back because of a cyst. WELL I guess they have found another cyst on a ovary and it's like 6 CM - and they think she has internal bleeding and they got to go in and get this cyst and try to catch this bleeding This fricking Virus sucks.Yet we can't be there , can't be in the hospital or nothing and she is all by herself in this time of need by herself. - -So we just - - - WAIT

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This factoid made me go hmm... "The Food and Drug Administration does not gather precise figures on the volume of drugs made overseas — only the number of facilities making them. According to that data, 72 percent of manufacturing facilities making active pharmaceutical ingredients for American drugs were overseas, with 13 percent in China."

Yes, a substantial amount of drugs are made in China. But your claim, "we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese" is just wrong on its face. And as a matter of economics starting a trade war or putting tariffs on Chinese products will make those drugs we do import more expensive. Do you want that?

Nah we should just allow a foreign country to run roughshod over us. Just let them do as they wish. As for the point on medicine the Proof is in the details. It’s Easy to throw out a graph and say see we manufacture medicine. Yet when we get in the details of what kind of medicines that are actually made then it’s a game changer.

These are facts That cannot be denied or ignored. Somebody was asleep at the wheel and it wasn’t the current President.

Post the proof then.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Post the proof then.

I did

Nah, that didn't pass the sniff test. From a Republican shill site. If it was in the second link I couldn't read that one.

Ny times is hardly a rep site. Google it, and pick the site that is more to your liking. I’m not spouting new news here. It’s common knowledge. There are articles dating back as early as 08.

I was talking about the first one. The NYTimes I couldn't read as stated. Some kind of splash page and I'm not going to give them info to read.

Not my problem. I posted two different sites, to show it’s not a hoax claim. Not much more I can do.

@jayballer73 oh my god. I don’t know what to say to you. I’m am so sorry. Hopefully her boyfriend can be with her soon.

@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 oh my god. I don’t know what to say to you. I’m am so sorry. Hopefully her boyfriend can be with her soon.

Thanks appreciate it - - just waiting to hear SOMETHING appreciate it for sure

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This whole Virus thing really sucks . Causing major Personal problems for me now.

My Daughter had to rush to the hospital in KCK today , having major pain in her abdominal area , could hardly touch her stomach from her breasts down , swollen. - Her Boyfriend took her in - -both had to be scanned for the virus making sure no Temp , the he Boyfriend was told to leave could not be with her. He was not allowed to stay in the Hospital anywhere, He was told he would have to stay in the Parking lot or go home.

Well we know she is NOT GOOD because they came back to her and rushing her in for emergency surgery. The only way we knew this was her talking to us before she went in for surgery. - -Hey boyfriend is about to freak not knowing , we have no idea how she is doing, we can't be with her either.

Her mom and I know it has to be a serious surgery cause they had said all non essential surgeries were being postponed. - - My Daughter had to have an ovary removed sometime back because of a cyst. WELL I guess they have found another cyst on a ovary and it's like 6 CM - and they think she has internal bleeding and they got to go in and get this cyst and try to catch this bleeding This fricking Virus sucks.Yet we can't be there , can't be in the hospital or nothing and she is all by herself in this time of need by herself. - -So we just - - - WAIT

Jesus. Hopefully everything turns out ok!!

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This factoid made me go hmm... "The Food and Drug Administration does not gather precise figures on the volume of drugs made overseas — only the number of facilities making them. According to that data, 72 percent of manufacturing facilities making active pharmaceutical ingredients for American drugs were overseas, with 13 percent in China."

Yes, a substantial amount of drugs are made in China. But your claim, "we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese" is just wrong on its face. And as a matter of economics starting a trade war or putting tariffs on Chinese products will make those drugs we do import more expensive. Do you want that?

Nah we should just allow a foreign country to run roughshod over us. Just let them do as they wish. As for the point on medicine the Proof is in the details. It’s Easy to throw out a graph and say see we manufacture medicine. Yet when we get in the details of what kind of medicines that are actually made then it’s a game changer.

These are facts That cannot be denied or ignored. Somebody was asleep at the wheel and it wasn’t the current President.

I mean, you said we didn't, which is objectively wrong. We also haven't seen any major supply chain disruptions. You're right, POTUS hasn't been asleep at the wheel. He's been drunk driving the car into a tree.

@jayballer73 I hope everything goes well in surgery. Will be thinking about you guys.

I guess the silver lining is that this happened now if the hospitals get overwhelmed later you'll already be in the clear.

Wishing you well.

@BShark https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/china-s-hidden-symptom-free-virus-cases-means-epidemic-not-over ↗

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

This whole Virus thing really sucks . Causing major Personal problems for me now.

My Daughter had to rush to the hospital in KCK today , having major pain in her abdominal area , could hardly touch her stomach from her breasts down , swollen. - Her Boyfriend took her in - -both had to be scanned for the virus making sure no Temp , the he Boyfriend was told to leave could not be with her. He was not allowed to stay in the Hospital anywhere, He was told he would have to stay in the Parking lot or go home.

Well we know she is NOT GOOD because they came back to her and rushing her in for emergency surgery. The only way we knew this was her talking to us before she went in for surgery. - -Hey boyfriend is about to freak not knowing , we have no idea how she is doing, we can't be with her either.

Her mom and I know it has to be a serious surgery cause they had said all non essential surgeries were being postponed. - - My Daughter had to have an ovary removed sometime back because of a cyst. WELL I guess they have found another cyst on a ovary and it's like 6 CM - and they think she has internal bleeding and they got to go in and get this cyst and try to catch this bleeding This fricking Virus sucks.Yet we can't be there , can't be in the hospital or nothing and she is all by herself in this time of need by herself. - -So we just - - - WAIT

Jesus. Hopefully everything turns out ok!!

Thank you my friend. Still waiting to hear something , just only thing we can do is keep our fingers crossed and Pray - thank you so much

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 I hope everything goes well in surgery. Will be thinking about you guys.

I guess the silver lining is that this happened now if the hospitals get overwhelmed later you'll already be in the clear.

Wishing you well.

Thank you appreciate your thoughts - all hoping for the best

@jayballer73 throwing up some prayers for you and your family

@FarmerJayhawk im starting to get this feeling You don’t even read what I post. You just see my name and form assumptions. To bad just like somebody that posts on here.

Please explain to me how it’s the current presidents fault that a mighty nation like the US has become so reliant on a communist country for their much needed medicines. A point you have yet to disprove. I mean I do appreciate you playing the semantics card but the truth is United States of America is reliant on China for key medicines. Yes you’re right at this point the supply chain has not been disrupted. But who’s to say it will stay that way. The point that I was trying to make if you would have read my post.

It appears to me that You’re not a true libertarian. A true libertarian will sit down and debate the facts of the situation. I’m sorry but from what I can see you’re nothing but a Trump hater. You want to blame him for everything even when it’s not his fault. I’m willing to bet you blame the Republican Party for this fiasco of trying to pass a stimulus package for the coronavirus epidemic. All the while ignoring that the Dems and Nancy Pelosi tried putting in all this other stuff I mean like $45 million for the Kennedy Center. Nothing like a party trying to take advantage of the American people in trying times.

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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk im starting to get this feeling You don’t even read what I post. You just see my name and form assumptions. To bad just like somebody that posts on here.

Please explain to me how it’s the current presidents fault that a mighty nation like the US has become so reliant on a communist country for their much needed medicines. A point you have yet to disprove. I mean I do appreciate you playing the semantics card but the truth is United States of America is reliant on China for key medicines. Yes you’re right at this point the supply chain has not been disrupted. But who’s to say it will stay that way. The point that I was trying to make if you would have read my post.

It appears to me that You’re not a true libertarian. A true libertarian will sit down and debate the facts of the situation. I’m sorry but from what I can see you’re nothing but a Trump hater. You want to blame him for everything even when it’s not his fault. I’m willing to bet you blame the Republican Party for this fiasco of trying to pass a stimulus package for the coronavirus epidemic. All the while ignoring that the Dems and Nancy Pelosi tried putting in all this other stuff I mean like $45 million for the Kennedy whatever. Nothing like a party trying to take advantage of the American people in trying times.

That feeling is mutual. Like in this very thread I blamed Speaker Pelosi and Senate Democrats for the stimulus holdup. Your point was "the US has no capability to make medicine." If that was not your point, just say so. I can't debate what you MEANT to say after I refuted your original post.

I never said that either. I said he's made the problem worse with the trade war, which they've basically admitted in deferring tariffs for the next 90 days. If they're helping the economy (in which case why pause?) and the Chinese pay them (again, why would we not bring in the revenue?) what are accomplishing by starting the damn trade war in the first place? Production hasn't come back to the U.S., and the tariffs have made it more difficult to access global supply chains.

Libertarians believe in free trade, free markets, and free people. Trump believes in none of those things, so if it feels like I'm constantly disagreeing with his policy decisions, that's probably why. I don't like tariffs (Trump LOVES them), I don't like most immigration restrictions (Trump hired Stephen Miller. 'nuff said there.) I don't like huge deficits other than in times of emergency (Trump is the self-proclaimed King of Debt. Hmmm...) I don't like regulations. His CDC and FDA kept private labs from testing for COVID to "keep the numbers low." I VEHEMENTLY disagree with his proposal to "get the country running by Easter." That's dangerous and thousands will die unnecessarily.

It's not personal with Trump and I. I've never met him and likely won't. I just disagree with many things he's done. Yes, he's called me human scum and that's fine. I've been called a lot worse during met times in politics. I just don't have much higher of an opinion that that of him.

Well to be fair the trade war was in place before the coronavirus epidemic. The problem with the free trade theroy. Is that the Chinese government was taking advantage of US trade policies as many other countries like Mexico and Canada. Unfair trade practices does not equal fair trade. You have to have a balance we’re both countries/nations benefit or it’s not fair. I do not condemn anybody for disliking Trump. However when one person becomes a source of everything that is wrong in this government and the world? Then I just tune out. What’s the point? It’s like saying Obama was to blame for everything that happened while he was in office, or Bill Clinton is to blame for everything that went wrong with NAFTA. I read his autobiography, actually was good read.

As for a politician Calling voters names. That goes both ways my friend. Remember the deplorable’s? I mean hell being a republican or conservative you’re basically called a racist, homophobe, sexist, and whatever. No matter what the issue is. All I can tell you is when I post I try be as truthful as my knowledge will allow me to be.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Well to be fair the trade war was in place before the coronavirus epidemic. The problem with the free trade theroy. Is that the Chinese government was taking advantage of US trade policies as many other countries like Mexico and Canada. Unfair trade practices does not equal fair trade. You have to have a balance we’re both countries/nations benefit or it’s not fair. I do not condemn anybody for disliking Trump. However when one person becomes a source of everything that is wrong in this government and the world? Then I just tune out. What’s the point? It’s like saying Obama was to blame for everything that happened while he was in office, or Bill Clinton is to blame for everything that went wrong with NAFTA. I read his autobiography, actually was good read.

As for a politician Calling voters names. That goes both ways my friend. Remember the deplorable’s? I mean hell being a republican or conservative you’re basically called a racist, homophobe, sexist, and whatever. No matter what the issue is. All I can tell you is when I post I try be as truthful as my knowledge will allow me to be.

The issue is we WERE benefitting from things like China in the WTO and NAFTA. Protectionism just doesn't work. https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa-819-updated.pdf ↗
https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/trade-war-chicken.pdf ↗
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/files/2019086pap.pdf ↗

I've never said Trump was the source of everything wrong with government. I have a big ass laundry list there with both R's and D's. But it's boring (to most people) stuff like the non-delegation doctrine and the size of the U.S. House.

Yeah, it's crap whoever does it. First rule of politics is don't insult voters. I didn't vote for either of them in 2016.

All I can say on the protectionism. Yea I get it, but what we were doing wasn’t working either. Something had to be done. We can’t just keep kicking the can down the road.

I think where Trump went wrong is creating a war with the media. It doesn’t help him trying to get his agenda done. Like trying to fix our trade deals. Without the support it becomes just a trade war, and why it was needed gets lost.

Also if one country isn’t abiding by the trade deal? Is it really a trade deal anymore?

Well... I'm pretty convinced that we are in a cold war with China and have been for quite awhile... It's escalating now with the rhetoric and the ejection of journalists.

Covid-19 is a particularly ironic Chinese export given it's distinction as a 'novel' virus and the fact that China was historically known for and benefited from its ability to copy the original work of others.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?

I didn't ignore this.. I just don't follow it. But given that the conversation was 24 hours ago.. maybe we just let pass. There was a bunch of stuff I didn't grok in the back and forth that followed.

Hope everyone is staying safe and healthy.

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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 throwing up some prayers for you and your family

Thank you I appreciate that

Just updating for my friends that gave thoughts for my situation. - - Daughter made it out ok, the cyst had ruptured , but was able to save the ovary. - Seems to be doing ok, just really sore just going to take time down flat for some days - -was a LONG NIGHT didn't hear anything till late, but Thank God sounds like she will be ok, probably going to send the cyst off for Biopsy fingers crossed. Thanks to everyone. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 Whew! Glad to hear it came out ok.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 Whew! Glad to hear it came out ok.

ya that makes tree of us buddy thanks

@jayballer73 that’s a tough situation, especially while being quarantined. We are all with you buddy.

Great news @jayballer73

Watching Cuomo presser. Wow where has this Cuomo been? Very much in control, strong language, trying to unite, and not blaming Trump for everything. Can he steal them Dem ticket?

@DoubleDD He's been solid, I agree.

I'm assuming if he were to run for President, the Fox News hit-job would smear him to the point you'd be getting a negative impression. So if you like the guy now, by hearing directly from him, if he does have a future in higher office, don't forget to hear it straight from his mouth then as well :)

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD He's been solid, I agree.

I'm assuming if he were to run for President, the Fox News hit-job would smear him to the point you'd be getting a negative impression. So if you like the guy now, by hearing directly from him, if he does have a future in higher office, don't forget to hear it straight from his mouth then as well :)

Hey if you’re going to get in the ring then one must except to be smeared. I’m not sure I could vote him. As I’m pretty sure he’s a big backer of the Paris climate accord. I’ll have todo some homework on that one. Im all for helping the environment but not if we Americans are picking up the bill while China, and India get to continue to pollute.

@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 that’s a tough situation, especially while being quarantined. We are all with you buddy.

Really appreciate the words. Thank God everything turned out all right. -- Came through , just really sore was able to remove the cyst. Ya really long hours not being able to be at the hospital and waiting on a phone call.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Great news @jayballer73

Thank You really appreciated. Really nervous hours when you dealing with the unkown

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Great news @jayballer73

Thank You really appreciated. Really nervous hours when you dealing with the unkown

I know the feeling, glad everything turned out great.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD He's been solid, I agree.

I'm assuming if he were to run for President, the Fox News hit-job would smear him to the point you'd be getting a negative impression. So if you like the guy now, by hearing directly from him, if he does have a future in higher office, don't forget to hear it straight from his mouth then as well :)

Hey if you’re going to get in the ring then one must except to be smeared. I’m not sure I could vote him. As I’m pretty sure he’s a big backer of the Paris climate accord. I’ll have todo some homework on that one. Im all for helping the environment but not if we Americans are picking up the bill while China, and India get to continue to pollute.

You know what they say, everything said before the but doesn't really matter. I guess if we can't get an uncooperative authoritarian government in on a deal, why even bother.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD He's been solid, I agree.

I'm assuming if he were to run for President, the Fox News hit-job would smear him to the point you'd be getting a negative impression. So if you like the guy now, by hearing directly from him, if he does have a future in higher office, don't forget to hear it straight from his mouth then as well :)

Hey if you’re going to get in the ring then one must except to be smeared. I’m not sure I could vote him. As I’m pretty sure he’s a big backer of the Paris climate accord. I’ll have todo some homework on that one. Im all for helping the environment but not if we Americans are picking up the bill while China, and India get to continue to pollute.

You know what they say, everything said before the but doesn't really matter. I guess if we can't get an uncooperative authoritarian government in on a deal, why even bother.

Well that’s a Tricky question? As a nation do you hand over all your monies resources to try to save the earth. Not an easy question to answer?

Only to find yourself in service to A socialist and communist government That tells you what todo because you Are afriad of hurting the environment. Which isn’t really true. It’s more about saving humanity. Yet what is humanity if it’s fearful and allows rouge nations to rule over them for fear of hurting the
Environment? is that living? Should we give credence and bow to the wishes to every rouge nation that threatens the environment?

Just to save the environment?

If we can’t live free ? Then I say blow this big old earth up. I mean I get some of you will do what you are told to do to live. I respect that. It’s just not me.

@DoubleDD you don't have kids I guess. There's more to life than individual happiness. If we can agree on that, then in all likelihood freedom will return for future generations even if freedoms are compromised in the present. I didnt follow the conversation before the last post. I'm just responding to yours.

@DoubleDD To me it’s all down to how you balance the needs of an individual with the needs of the community. Collectivism v individualism. Neither can exist without the other and if you stray to far to either side the whole system collapses. I personally believe American society places too much emphasis on the wants of the individual and has in many cases ignored the needs of the collective.

At some point for me, if someone is to be a good person, they have to put the needs of others first. But these days if that happens people just seem to argue about if it’s fair or not or why don’t I get that or I never needed that so why should anyone else or my favorite what about when that person in the past did this or that.

We aren't free. We are just house slaves (third world is field slaves).

@benshawks08 @wissox is like that too, his Mlb team stinks though

Sox will be in the playoffs this year.....if they play.

I think we've gone too far in the direction of collectivism, to be honest. I think the federal government tries to do too much for too many people (like, there's no reason they should be a venture capital firm or student loan bank). I also detest the rise of identity politics on both the left and right. I'm not a Randian who doesn't like private charity and things like that, but the decline in civic engagement really worries me. There's certainly a correlation between the size of government and the decline of civil society. As the size of government increases, so does the incentive for private firms to seek rents (e.g. spend on lobbying).

I'd like to see the state shrink, and increased freedom of movement for both labor and capital. Far too many things are illegal (drug use, prostitution, gambling, making cheap gas cans, testing for COVID-19.) Like we could eliminate the whole of the Department of Energy and not that many people would notice. Just relocate the maintenance of our nuclear arsenal (of which we have far too much) to DoD. F.A. Hayek is bae. (as an aside, I think every American should read both John Rawls's A Theory of Justice and Hayek's Law, Legislation, and Liberty. Both do a very good job of steel manning each argument, and then be free to decide where you land on the topic.

And to head off any "there are no libertarians in pandemics" stuff, the country's foremost libertarian politician, Rep. Justin Amash, endorses a massive relief package. After all, there are VERY few Murray Rothbard type anarcho-capitalists. I am not one of them. I'm just very skeptical of central planning.

@FarmerJayhawk Well I will agree big government doesn’t work when it’s filled with and led by folks trying to break it as it is now.

Edit: I was also talking more as a society and less about politics with the individual vs collective stuff.

Now for some folks who are really making it work here’s an awesome piece for Texas monthly about the best grocery store chain in Texas.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/food/heb-prepared-coronavirus-pandemic/ ↗

@benshawks08 a pretty impressive co. Is this just a Texas co? I didn't see if that was mentioned. Thx for sharing.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk Well I will agree big government doesn’t work when it’s filled with and led by folks trying to break it as it is now.

Edit: I was also talking more as a society and less about politics with the individual vs collective stuff.

Now for some folks who are really making it work here’s an awesome piece for Texas monthly about the best grocery store chain in Texas.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/food/heb-prepared-coronavirus-pandemic/ ↗

I definitely agree the lack of social cohesion is a problem. We’ve replaced it with government and wheeeew boy is it a cluster

@Crimsonorblue22 Yep. Just Texas I’m pretty sure. Was a solid dillons customer growing up in Wichita but H-E-B quickly won me over here I. Texas. They hire a ton of my students, pay them well, give them opportunities to move up, help them pay for school, take care of their employees with longevity discounts on groceries for life after 5 years, donated tons (literally) of water to austin schools when city had a boil water order, just donated $100,000 dollars to help feed austin isd students during this pandemic, and just always seem to do the right thing. Unfortunately, can’t count on all businesses to be run that way.

@FarmerJayhawk I think it’s more the valuing of money and corporations over people than government. Now government has certainly had a something to do with shifting those values. And yes, conservatives and neoliberals are both to blame. But public schools, welfare, and civil rights aren’t the problem.

@benshawks08 Dillion's hires a ton of students but they don't treat them well. They are desperate for help now, Walmart too. They are putting shields up and marking the floors for spacing at the checkouts. Reduced their hrs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html ↗

Article about how Cuomo has a very different understanding of reality than Trump in terms of New Yorks need for ventillators.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

We aren't free. We are just house slaves (third world is field slaves).

Freedom is a matter of perception or definition. Every person has to decide that answer for themselves.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html ↗

Article about how Cuomo has a very different understanding of reality than Trump in terms of New Yorks need for ventillators.

I did a little research on Cuomo. Why was NY so unprepared for the spread of the coronavirus?

1. It is one of the largest cities in the world

2. Cuomo is Huge on open borders. Come one come all. No need to Look into ones past. Where they come from and so on.

3. He’s screaming for financial reparations for NY as it has been hit the hardest.

4. Now he wants to put coronavirus victims in retired or old folks homes.

5. At one point NY officials were rejecting ventilators from the federal government.

I don’t know? Thinking some of this is self inflicted. Crazy as it seems the hardest hit states and cities in America are the ones that believe in open borders, and are sanctuary cities.

It appears the New York Times the beacon of freedom. Wants all your personal info to read their can’t dispute truths. Sorry about that @BShark. Now I know what you were saying.

Oh Nice job on PBS scoring more money on their current budget on a stimulus package for Americans and Businesses suffering from Coronavirus. Nothing like sticking it to the tax payers.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk I think it’s more the valuing of money and corporations over people than government. Now government has certainly had a something to do with shifting those values. And yes, conservatives and neoliberals are both to blame. But public schools, welfare, and civil rights aren’t the problem.

Public schools aren’t to blame? A institution that really by all respects teaches socialism. Welfare? Another institution that doesn’t push people to be self-reliant yet demands them to be dependent upon the government. Civil rights? What does that mean anymore? We just had a supreme court justice nominee that had to deal with a woman that couldn’t remember where the so-called attempted rape took place what time the rate to place, yeah because she is a woman and she was a part of the me to movement it didn’t matter. Civil rights today are guilty until proven innocent not what our founding fathers wanted.

I know you guys hate Fox News, but trust me Juan Williams is more liberal an more a trump hater than all you combined. Wow.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Wuhan,-endless-queues-for-ashes-of-coronavirus-dead-cast-doubts-on-numbers-49673.html ↗

WOOF

@DoubleDD A. No they don’t. B. You ever tried to file for government assistance? C. She had to deal with a lot more than him for even coming forward. Three out of every four sexual assaults go u reported. Wonder why that is if as you say the guy is guilty till proven innocent? Bret wasn’t proven innocent nor was the president, yet they hold two of the highest offices in the country

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html ↗

Article about how Cuomo has a very different understanding of reality than Trump in terms of New Yorks need for ventillators.

I did a little research on Cuomo. Why was NY so unprepared for the spread of the coronavirus?

1. It is one of the largest cities in the world

2. Cuomo is Huge on open borders. Come one come all. No need to Look into ones past. Where they come from and so on.

3. He’s screaming for financial reparations for NY as it has been hit the hardest.

4. Now he wants to put coronavirus victims in retired or old folks homes.

5. At one point NY officials were rejecting ventilators from the federal government.

I don’t know? Thinking some of this is self inflicted. Crazy as it seems the hardest hit states and cities in America are the ones that believe in open borders, and are sanctuary cities.

New York is way ahead in numbers because of population, population density, and testing per capita. They also might be ahead of the curve for the rest of the country because they have more international travel than just about any place in the world. Undocumented people have absolutely nothing to do with the spread of the pandemic in New York.

“Self inflicted,” please. By that logic the whole country is self inflicted if you were to list out trumps inactions. But should the federal government do as Trump said and just “not call” those governors who “aren’t nice” to him?

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD A. No they don’t. B. You ever tried to file for government assistance? C. She had to deal with a lot more than him for even coming forward. Three out of every four sexual assaults go u reported. Wonder why that is if as you say the guy is guilty till proven innocent? Bret wasn’t proven innocent nor was the president, yet they hold two of the highest offices in the country

We are kind of off the rails here, maybe @approxinfinity wants to split this line of discussion but man, what a horrible view of sexual assault from DD. So many girls and women commit suicide after being raped BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY WON'T BE BELIEVED AND CAN'T LIVE WITH THE INTERNAL SHAME.

@BShark Seems like certain people tend to take it off the rails on the regular by bringing up random inflammatory takes because they don’t have a real response or independently thought out opinion. For someone who wants to “be free” @DoubleDD could use a little freeing of the mind from alt right talking points.

To go on some more after taking a breather..

Look at how long Cosby was able to molest and rape women unchecked. Now do we need to actually default to automatically throwing accused men in prison? No. That also isn't happening. What we do need to do is better foster a society where women aren't afraid to report sexual crimes. Unless you know and have talked to women that have been raped and/or domestically abused you don't know how it is. Some men get a woman living in fear, thinking they can never break away. Men are not immune to this either. I've seen time and time again men falling into the same type of destructive/toxic relationship (usually emotional or financial abuse) so it can go both ways.

Wow didn’t know we are taking this to a personal level? I guess it’s par for the course. Sure I think woman should be able to come forth, and demand justice. Just don’t think we should swing the pendulum so far that another person is presumed guilty until proven innocent. The Cavanaugh trials was a big sham of justice there ever was.

If you took the same parameters and evidence and witnesses that were in the Cavanaugh hearings and apply them to an average person in the streets? That case never sees the light of day in a courthouse.

That is politics trying to subvert the constitution and the rights of the people.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@BShark Seems like certain people tend to take it off the rails on the regular by bringing up random inflammatory takes because they don’t have a real response or independently thought out opinion. For someone who wants to “be free” @DoubleDD could use a little freeing of the mind from alt right talking points.

Wow ouch. I don’t know how, but somehow I will pick up the shards of my shattered ego, and carry on. Even though knowing what you really think of me.

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk I think it’s more the valuing of money and corporations over people than government. Now government has certainly had a something to do with shifting those values. And yes, conservatives and neoliberals are both to blame. But public schools, welfare, and civil rights aren’t the problem.

I’m sorry was I not given permission to respond? I do believe it was you and @BShark that have taken this off the rails.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Wow didn’t know we are taking this to a personal level? I guess it’s par for the course. Sure I think woman should be able to come forth, and demand justice. Just don’t think we should swing the pendulum so far that another person is presumed guilty until proven innocent. The Cavanaugh trials was a big sham of justice there ever was.

If you took the same parameters and evidence and witnesses that were in the Cavanaugh hearings and apply them to an average person in the streets? That case never sees the light of day in a courthouse.

That is politics trying to subvert the constitution and the rights of the people.

Yep. Bringing up sexual assault out of nowhere brought it to the personal level for me. CAVANAUGH IS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! If that’s the sham of justice you are talking about than I agree.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-timeline-of-how-bill-de-blasio-prepared-new-york-city-for-the-coronavirus/ ↗

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Wow didn’t know we are taking this to a personal level? I guess it’s par for the course. Sure I think woman should be able to come forth, and demand justice. Just don’t think we should swing the pendulum so far that another person is presumed guilty until proven innocent. The Cavanaugh trials was a big sham of justice there ever was.

If you took the same parameters and evidence and witnesses that were in the Cavanaugh hearings and apply them to an average person in the streets? That case never sees the light of day in a courthouse.

That is politics trying to subvert the constitution and the rights of the people.

Yep. Bringing up sexual assault out of nowhere brought it to the personal level for me. CAVANAUGH IS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! If that’s the sham of justice you are talking about than I agree.

I do believe you are taking one context of many that were together in a complete sentence. You derailed the topic.

But to your opinion justice prevailed. Brett Kavanaugh was voted in to the Supreme Court.

You do know that Brett Kavanaugh is a champion for women’s rights especially in the workplace. He has been one of the leaders for decades and helping women become lawyers and judges. These are facts not opinions

Good info about the statewide order that Gov. Kelly issued today. https://www.kansastogether.com/counties ↗

@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Good info about the statewide order that Gov. Kelly issued today. https://www.kansastogether.com/counties ↗

Thanks. Probably should read this since I live here.

@FarmerJayhawk she's so impressive! She literally caught hell for closing schools. I think I sent that to @BShark

We just had our 1st Death here in Shawnee County from the virus - -very sad

A baby died in Chicago, first.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

A baby died in Chicago

Brutal.

Blessed be our lord and savior Dr. Fauci but this is terrifying 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200329/kansas-coronavirus-update-legislators-review-gov-laura-kellyrsquos-stay-at-home-order-let-it-stand-state-logs-319-infections ↗

Meanwhile KS lg challenging our gov. Read all the way to bottom

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200329/kansas-coronavirus-update-legislators-review-gov-laura-kellyrsquos-stay-at-home-order-let-it-stand-state-logs-319-infections ↗

Meanwhile KS lg challenging our gov. Read all the way to bottom

Van Meteren is a douche. We’ve been on the same side of some campaigns but he’s kind of a kook.

Glad the Speaker is supportive of the order. The LCC just had to fulfill its legal obligation to convene to review the governor’s order. Not so surprised Smith and Carpenter left that out.

@FarmerJayhawk mizzou is a great comparison! Their gov. Wouldn’t do anything til to late, now a disaster state. Nobody here can really argue w/Kelly! In fact a lot of mizzou people are praising her.

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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@FarmerJayhawk mizzou is a great comparison! Their gov. Wouldn’t do anything til to late, now a disaster state. Nobody here can really argue w/Kelly! In fact a lot of mizzou people are praising her.

I have no problem with what Gov Kelly has done.

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The greatest man the city of Houston has ever produced.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I believe you. It's simply wonderful how many people, in small ways or large, stepping up. Many of them are out of work. Restores my faith in mankind.

Some good stuff here if anyone is a fan of the office, John Krasinski doing a show from his house called "Some Good News"

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I believe you. It's simply wonderful how many people, in small ways or large, stepping up. Many of them are out of work. Restores my faith in mankind.

When we were hit by Hurricane Harvey about 2.5 years ago, he opened his stores and warehouses to people who were displaced so they would have somewhere to sleep.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I remember that.

@benshawks08 oh man! That was awesome, 😭🏆 maybe we need a post for good news. If he has any more keep us updated, please.

Why did the Governor of Kansas band the sell alcohol? Or did I miss hear? I was just curious.

Also seen on the local news, that are ready to start testing A coronavirus vaccine on humans.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Why did the Governor of Kansas band the sell alcohol? Or did I miss hear? I was just curious.

She didn’t.

@Woodrow said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Why did the Governor of Kansas band the sell alcohol? Or did I miss hear? I was just curious.

She didn’t.

I wasn’t sure heard something on the radio, but when I tried to research it couldn’t find anything. Fake news.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/french-researchers-publish-antimalarial-and-antibiotics-combination-that-could-shorten-covid-19 ↗

@FarmerJayhawk sounds like the French might be on to something? Let’s hope so.

Some conservatives are not entirely blind. Either that, or they are throwing Trump under the bus as he has done with so many others.

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/ ↗

The Bulwark is an American conservative news and opinion website founded by conservative commentators Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol. The publisher is Sarah Longwell. While it launched as a news aggregator, it was revamped into a news and opinion site with "the core digital staff of The Weekly Standard."

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Why did the Governor of Kansas band the sell alcohol? Or did I miss hear? I was just curious.

Click the link 😂 http://extra-times.com/nyc/1038007/kansas-govenor-suspends-all-alcohol-sales-starting-april-1st-43967 ↗

Now I guess this thread needs to be called "Differentiating fact from opinion from Satire on COVID-19"

Good practice for everyone. !alt text ↗

Sadly guys heard on a radio station in Iowa that is with ABC.

@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Some conservatives are not entirely blind. Either that, or they are throwing Trump under the bus as he has done with so many others.

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/ ↗

The Bulwark is an American conservative news and opinion website founded by conservative commentators Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol. The publisher is Sarah Longwell. While it launched as a news aggregator, it was revamped into a news and opinion site with "the core digital staff of The Weekly Standard."

Well to be fair he was was dealing with an impeachment trial at the time. Lol I think from what I’m seeing, a lot of leaders dragged their feet in the beginning when it came to the coronavirus. Most likely They didn’t know what they were dealing with. As China wasn’t forthcoming with much needed info soon enough. However have to Give the president major credit, in that he shut down the borders and air travel pretty fast.

@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Some conservatives are not entirely blind. Either that, or they are throwing Trump under the bus as he has done with so many others.

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/ ↗

The Bulwark is an American conservative news and opinion website founded by conservative commentators Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol. The publisher is Sarah Longwell. While it launched as a news aggregator, it was revamped into a news and opinion site with "the core digital staff of The Weekly Standard."

@bskeet Thanks for posting about thebulwark.com. I wasn't familiar with it, but recognize Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol's names. I not only read the article you linked, but the others shown on the side of it. This seems like a pretty trust-worthy site and it is encouraging to see some well known conservatives presenting facts instead of the kool-aide.

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No surprise that China and other countries without a free press are concealing and underreporting illness and death due to COVID-19. People criticize the press here for reporting the numbers out, but you can see where not having a free press allows this type of thing to be concealed.

I heard CDC revised their estimates on asymptomatic transmission to be between 25% and 35% of transmissions. Trying to find a link.

Also heard today the CDC is now saying it might be best if EVEYONE wears masks, just about a week ago they were saying don't wear masks. - this kind of wiffle/waffle isn't doing us any good

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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Well to be fair he was was dealing with an impeachment trial at the time. Lol I think from what I’m seeing, a lot of leaders dragged their feet in the beginning when it came to the coronavirus. Most likely They didn’t know what they were dealing with. As China wasn’t forthcoming with much needed info soon enough. However have to Give the president major credit, in that he shut down the borders and air travel pretty fast.

Not everyone is buying the excuses and revisionist history.

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https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/2/1933602/-It-s-worse-than-you-think ↗

@BShark One explanation for a large mysterious increase in deaths that do not seem to be coronavirus related is "suffocation suicide" -- people dying from keeping their heads in the sand.

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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Well to be fair he was was dealing with an impeachment trial at the time. Lol I think from what I’m seeing, a lot of leaders dragged their feet in the beginning when it came to the coronavirus. Most likely They didn’t know what they were dealing with. As China wasn’t forthcoming with much needed info soon enough. However have to Give the president major credit, in that he shut down the borders and air travel pretty fast.

Not everyone is buying the excuses and revisionist history.

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You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.

Let’s be honest with each other @bskeet you have never voted for a Republican? Why? I mean anybody with half a brain can see the Dem party doesn’t care about black Americans. Again let’s be honest? No where in history has the Dem party done anything for the black American. None? So why keep voting for a party that runs their elections like it’s some kind of plantation?

Think about it @bskeet? Notice it’s always how racist the rep party is, but it’s never, this is what the Dem party has done for the black American. Ever wonder why?

Please anybody tell me what the Dem party has done for the black American.

@bskeet i never hear a black American saying the Dem party did this for me and my family. Never. It’s always the reps are racist.

That political post on social media or a chat room changed my mind..... said no one ever. I always try to agree to disagree (I do fail at it at times) like I did with @approxinfinity about news outlets these days. We see it differently, but I still like @approxinfinity and respect him. I agree with @justanotherfan that free press is important, but we wouldn’t argue for a week if I didn’t. @DoubleDD you are a republican, nothing wrong with that. Most on here are Democrats, that’s fine too. It’s not hard to find dirt on either party. Let’s move on friends.

@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

That political post on social media or a chat room changed my mind..... said no one ever. I always try to agree to disagree like I did with @approxinfinity about news outlets these days. I 100 agree with @justanotherfan tgat free press is important. We see it differently, but I still like @approxinfinity and respect him. @DoubleDD you are a republican, nothing wrong with that. Most on here are Democrats, that’s fine too. It’s not hard to find dirt on either party.

My friend I’m no Republican but I respect what you posted. It’s your thoughts and feelings. It’s crazy I know! But I don’t blame Presidents I blame Congress.

@DoubleDD Congress is an issue right now because they would have to issue a nationwide stay at home. The president doesn’t have that power.

@bskeet the problem with Trump is he divides. I’d vote against him in a heart beat, but Dem party and it’s voters gave us Biden a man losing his mind and Sanders a full blown socialist. Tell me how I’m supposed to vote one of these over Trump?

@kjayhawks i know you don’t vote party line tickets. Your like me if you don’t know then you don’t vote.yet some posters on here Believe you. Have to vote Dem no matter what. Because reps are racist. Yet with a quick study of history we find the Dems are racist. Prove me wrong posters! What has the Dem party done for the black American?

@kjayhawks I haven't yet searched but I haven't figured out where Congress gets that power. They can suspend habeas corpus but that only allows arrests without having to justify it to a court. And Congress can only do that during a rebellion or invasion.

@mayjay found this interesting. Wondering how far something like this could go:

https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2020/04/02/washington-state-group-is-1st-to-sue-fox-news-for-calling-coronavirus-a-hoax/ ↗

https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahkirsch/2020/04/02/media-experts-assail-fox-news-for-coronavirus-misinformation/ ↗

On that day, Hannity said, “They’re scaring the living hell out of people and I see it as, like, ‘Oh, let’s bludgeon Trump again with this new hoax.'”

@approxinfinity Interesting, but not far. Dylan's post about stupid people cleaning up the gene pool might be applicable.

But it might be fun watching Trump's favorite network using Times v. Sullivan to defend itsel b/c he wants that ruling overturned.

@mayjay not sure how his lawyers could use Times vs Sullivan, unless they are saying they are an extension of Trump? (Or he an extension of them? :face_with_tears_of_joy: was that judge humor you dropped on me?)

Just that it protects media expressing opinion on public officials. I will have to read the suit.

I got you. Its a slippery slope and a potential attack vector on free speech.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@kjayhawks i know you don’t vote party line tickets. Your like me if you don’t know then you don’t vote.yet some posters on here Believe you. Have to vote Dem no matter what. Because reps are racist. Yet with a quick study of history we find the Dems are racist. Prove me wrong posters! What has the Dem party done for the black American?

The Civil Rights Acts were helpful. More recently NAFTA.

I don’t like these lawsuits at all. Downplaying COVID is pretty clearly protected speech. The Court should definitely toss the suit.

I am suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, and I feel badly about that, so I guess it is best to track our great leader in his own words.

As an addendum, we now have over 300,000 known cases in the US, more than twice as many as any other ccountry. 8,000+ deaths. Adding more than 12% every day.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/02/why-you-should-flush-with-the-lid-down-virologist-warns-of-fecal-oral-transmission-of-covid-19/ ↗

Awesome. Toilet plume can remain suspended a meter in the air for hours? Too bad no public toilets have lids even if people wanted to put them down.

I can't even fathom using a public bathroom right now.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I can't even fathom using a public bathroom right now.

:hundred_points:

@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I am suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, and I feel badly about that, so I guess it is best to track our great leader in his own words.

As an addendum, we now have over 300,000 known cases in the US, more than twice as many as any other ccountry. 8,000+ deaths. Adding more than 12% every day.

You are extremely smart person. You really think China is telling the truth?

Also let’s not forget we are a nation of open borders. Some of these other countries are not. Maybe they Are racist? Sorry. Uncalled for. My bad.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/02/why-you-should-flush-with-the-lid-down-virologist-warns-of-fecal-oral-transmission-of-covid-19/ ↗

Awesome. Toilet plume can remain suspended a meter in the air for hours? Too bad no public toilets have lids even if people wanted to put them down.

Never thought about It but you nailed it.

@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I can't even fathom using a public bathroom right now.

Until you have no choice. Crazy how the body is like we are going now.

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@mayjay i know you’re not a fox guy, yet give it a look.

@DoubleDD tracked down the poorly titled NYT Op Ed piece. The piece did not say it was safe to travel to China.

Valid arguments may exist for shutting down the world to travelers originating in China — and shutting down China to the world — as a reasonable public health response. But the World Health Organization explicitly did not advise that any restriction of trade or travel was necessary when it declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern last week, and it still doesn’t. Instead, it has called for exit screening in international airports and domestic hubs in China.

The disease was already here and the travel ban was touted as THE correct action, but it came months too late and allowed travel to the UK, a country whose containment was shit.

Most importantly, the disease was already here and was not contained, while Trump misrepresented all the details and failed to issue any guidance.

Timing matters. Every detail of this administrations response has been late and botched. To try to slap a prize on their travel ban after the fact is a joke.

Trump is the President of the United States. Not some misinformed dude watching news in his house. To explain away his ineptitude as not having the facts at the time is not acceptable.

Governor of Colorado is reporting that after Trump told him that he had to find his own ventillators (see " I'm not a shipping clerk" etc) FEMA swooped in and cancelled Colorado's order of 500 ventillators so that they could add the ventillators to the federal stockpile. Shit show.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/04/coronavirus-colorado-polis-ventilators-fema/ ↗

My neighbors mother passed away because of coronavirus, I learned today. We continued to talk across the yard, and they mentioned that they went to the grocery store yesterday without a mask, repeatedly saying how frustrating it is that people don't do the right thing, i.e. socially distance. I told them that the CDC posted guidelines on how to make masks and that the biggest threat is not hand Sanitation but airborn droplets that can be suspended indoors for hours. I also suggested that they should go to all delivery If they can.

The lack of information is costing lives. Even people who want to do the right thing can't because they don't know what the right thing is.

@approxinfinity So sorry to hear that. A friend of mine's neighbor died from COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago. My brother-in-law's father also died yesterday, though I didn't hear the cause.

Early on we'd gotten a lot of conflicting information about masks. Trying to find one is the hard part. Have seen several DIY masks out there lately.

@nwhawkfan sorry to hear about your loss.

:hundred_points: about the early information. I think the American public was done a disservice when people were saying "don't go buy the masks because health professionals need them" because while this criticism was absolutely valid, it was often justified with an accompanying lie "the n95 masks aren't necessary unless you are a health professional". That disinformation is very hard to walk back.

As a fan of lots of different kinds of music, I'm struck by how the list of those lost to the virus is getting younger and younger.

No one style of music seems to be spared...country singer Joe Diffie, jazz trumpeter Wallace Roney, and pop singer-songwriter Adam Schlesinger. (He was in one of my favorite early-2000s bands, Fountains Of Wayne, best known for the song "Stacy's Mom." In a sad twist of irony, he also wrote the title song for the movie "That Thing You Do," co-starring Tom Hanks. )

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Let’s be honest with each other @bskeet you have never voted for a Republican? Why? I mean anybody with half a brain can see the Dem party doesn’t care about black Americans. Again let’s be honest? No where in history has the Dem party done anything for the black American. None? So why keep voting for a party that runs their elections like it’s some kind of plantation?

Let's be honest, I've voted for one democrat for a federal office in my life.

You don't know me.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.

I hope you are not suggesting that I'm somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president -- specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it's a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.

Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I'd like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.

I'm concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I'm worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.

The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).

Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.

Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I've done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.

There is so much contradicting on this thing. We ordered some river rock from Menards this past week and paid a ridiculous amount for delivery but are waiting to touch it because of germs. It has sat in our drive since Thursday morning. I will remove the outter plastic tonight and go straight to the dumpster with it. Then Lysol the individual bags all while wear gloves and straight to the shower after.

@kjayhawks I disinfected groceries right after they arrived today. I had been putting them in the garage including garage fridge prior to disinfecting before this delivery. I thought having everything clean in the house would feel better, but I think now that I felt better just letting it sit with as little interaction as possible and then disinfecting later. not too hard to do with extra fridge. Next time, going back to that.

@approxinfinity

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/03/sanjay-gupta-wiping-cleaning-groceries-demo-town-hall-vpx.cnn ↗

@mayjay yeah. But bags have air in them. and he doesn't demonstrate how to disinfect fresh stuff. Letting it sit imo alleviates a lot of the risk

@approxinfinity When we did our pick up last week I did the last one and Lysol’d the stuff in my truck. It was cold so we left it in there for 2 hours and wiped off everything with Clorox wipes but some drinks and stuff that I sat in the garage and have sprayed 3 times now. Probably going a touch overboard but may as well be all in at this point.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502 ↗

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110115711.htm ↗

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Looking into this more Baric's research credits Doctors Xing-Yi Ge and Zhengli-Li. Microbiology and immunology researchers working at Wuhan Institute for Science and Technology. Certainly very curious.

Link to that for proof: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 ↗

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@mayjay yeah. But bags have air in them. and he doesn't demonstrate how to disinfect fresh stuff. Letting it sit imo alleviates a lot of the risk

I rinse all of my produce in 140° water, open the bags of delivered groceries by reaching into the bag and pulling up on the bottom to dump them out. I switch gloves after getting everything in, wipe down everything, wash my hands a few times. Then use a fresh wipe to go over door handles, garage door opener buttons etc.

I am not worried about air trapped in bags. If it does worry you, open everything in the garage in front of a fan blowing to the outside.

Anything that doesn't need refrigeration can be left in your car for an afternoon. Temps can get to 100 or 120, far above the 85 needed to kill the beast. It is actually a fairly fragile virus. Most people get it by inhaling anyway.

Back to the title of this thread: Fact or opinion? Use of Trump’s miracle drug?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/peter-navarro-social-scientist-cnntv/index.html ↗

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Back to the title of this thread: Fact or opinion? Use of Trump’s miracle drug?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/peter-navarro-social-scientist-cnntv/index.html ↗

I'll just remark about the drug leave the whole President Trump thing alone. I don't care who it was I think I would have to lean towards the doctor saying it needs time to see - still to many unknowns. I know they have a guy that said it was worth a shot , that's fine BUT not with my life lol - -no test baby here. as bad as it sounds I think the antidote is just going to take time. - Now I hope that was what you were talking about when you talking miracle drug , I might be barking up the wrong tree lol

@benshawks08 I can't even believe here in the U.S. we are having this discussion.

There is another drug (anti-parasitic) that is claimed to kill coronavirus and needs trials.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2190922/9-__trashed-36/?amp=1 ↗

@approxinfinity if it is approved, we need to get tested and get the tests back right away if it just works early. Kinda like tamiflu.
Here in our county they're wanting anyone w/symptoms that weren't serious enough to be tested to fill out forms so they can track it. Serious data! When I went to dr last week I asked her what they were telling people w/fever and my symptoms. She said to go home and quarantine.

Very interesting story on trade and drugs. https://reason.com/2020/04/06/why-you-shouldnt-trust-anyone-who-claims-80-percent-of-americas-drugs-come-from-china/ ↗

Anybody listening to the press conference!😡

@Crimsonorblue22 Never.

@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.

I hope you are not suggesting that I'm somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president -- specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it's a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.

Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I'd like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.

I'm concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I'm worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.

The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).

Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.

Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I've done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.

There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.

Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.

I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.

Thought this was interesting

@DoubleDD is that really interesting? He said nothing of substance. The call was really good? Oh that's good. Good. I'm, glad it was good. Am I supposed to take Trump's word on anything as fact or his opinion on anything as qualified?

We all want to talk about coronavirus? Actually no, nobody wants to talk about coronavirus. We want to talk about work. At work.

Addressing your post before the video. I do appreciate that the whole world is dealing with some state of the coronavirus, and the whole world doesn't have an idiot narcissist like Trump in office, so surely it's not all his fault that this disease is here. I get that. However, the overall grade he gets is a solid F for his response.

I will just throw out a list of adjectives to describe Trump's response to the outbreak, since I think we all know the stories or choose to ignore them.

Late, dismissive, uninformed, lying, disowning, deflecting, poorly delegating, not coordinating, distracting, miracle touting, mocking, witholding, self-praising.

Or if you prefer to sum it up... Bullshitting.

Bullshitting his way through the biggest crisis this country has faced since WWII.

And that video was more of the same.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD is that really interesting? He said nothing of substance. The call was really good? Oh that's good. Good. I'm, glad it was good. Am I supposed to take Trump's word on anything as fact or his opinion on anything as qualified?

We all want to talk about coronavirus? Actually no, nobody wants to talk about coronavirus. We want to talk about work. At work.

Addressing your post before the video. I do appreciate that the whole world is dealing with some state of the coronavirus, and the whole world doesn't have an idiot narcissist like Trump in office, so surely it's not all his fault that this disease is here. I get that. However, the overall grade he gets is a solid F for his response.

I will just throw out a list of adjectives to describe Trump's response to the outbreak, since I think we all know the stories or choose to ignore them.

Late, dismissive, uninformed, lying, disowning, deflecting, poorly delegating, not coordinating, distracting, miracle touting, mocking, witholding, self-praising.

Or if you prefer to sum it up... Bullshitting.

Bullshitting his way through the biggest crisis this country has faced since WWII.

And that video was more of the same.

I would say stopping watching all those left leaning legacy media outlets, and stop reading the New York Times.

You see the things you post about Trump are more opinion than fact. Not trying to be rude but the same things you accuse Trump of. You are willing to defend Biden of.

It would appear to me you wouldn’t be happy unless the president was a Democrat.

@DoubleDD you're right. My post above is me expressing my opinion. Each of those adjectives, a non-exhaustive list, has multiple stories tied to it that came to mind immediately as I wrote it. And they are all facts. If you choose to dispute those facts, then in my humble opinion, your version of Trump is more like an omniscient, omnipresent being who chooses to grace this mortal plane in the form of a large orange tufted blowhard, and not the lazy arrogant slimeball that I see on my screen. And seriously, I don't think we are going to close that gap.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD you're right. My post above is me expressing my opinion. Each of those adjectives, a non-exhaustive list, has multiple stories tied to it that came to mind immediately as I wrote it. And they are all facts. If you choose to dispute those facts, then in my humble opinion, your version of Trump is more like an omniscient, omnipresent being who chooses to grace this mortal plane in the form of a large orange tufted blowhard, and not the lazy arrogant slimeball that I see on my screen. And seriously, I don't think we are going to close that gap.

How can we close the gap? You are a hypocrite. You hold Republicans to a different standard than those you vote for. Hence Biden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/us/politics/trump-approval-rating.html ↗

@approxinfinity

I found it interesting that Biden reached out to Trump, and Trump accepted the call. Plus it appears it was a pleasant call. Kind of nice to see. Instead of Nancy and the DNC wanting to do impeachment again while the country is under all this stress.

@DoubleDD I have one standard. I'm judging our president. I'm not judging Hillary or Biden. This is standard Fox News playbook stuff... Deflecting Trump's shortcomings by making it about someone else.

I'm talking about Trump failing. This guy. Nobody else. Our president.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD I have one standard. I'm judging our president. I'm not judging Hillary or Biden. This is standard Fox News playbook stuff... Deflecting Trump's shortcomings by making it about someone else.

I'm talking about Trump failing. This guy. Nobody else. Our president.

Problem with that is your sources have been judging Trump sense he decided to run for president. Seems hardly fair, and very much one sided. Plus how can you judge a person for wrong doing when your willing to look the other way when it comes to the person you like.

Good news my girlfriend just told me that Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia and is breathing unassisted.

@approxinfinity

The point is you want to remove a sitting president because of your opinions, but will vote for a person that is just as guilty of the the things you claim. Meaning you’re being Political and that your posts should be taken with a grain of salt. As you have an agenda.

I said nothing about removing him. All you. I am not comparing him to Biden right now. All you. I am simply commenting on how bad his response to COVID-19 is.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

I said nothing about removing him. All you. I am not comparing him to Biden right now. All you. I am simply commenting on how bad his response to COVID-19 is.

And said nothing about Hillary or Fox News

@approxinfinity

I’m just asking how can you be so hard on Trump yet are so favorable to Biden?

They are both running for president

As for Biden and Trump talking, I give that about a 75% chance of having happened. Maybe a 50% chance of having happened in the last week.

I don't assume the truth of anything directly from Orange Jesus.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

As for Biden and Trump talking, I give that about a 75% chance of having happened. Maybe a 50% chance of having happened in the last week.

Orange Jesus

Really? I’m more curious to see if Biden feels the same way?

Ok you want to talk about Biden. I don't right now. So. :man_shrugging:

You need to realize my opinion of Trump has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Ok you want to talk about Biden. I don't right now. So. :man_shrugging:

You need to realize my opinion of Trump has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

Trust me I know how you feel about Trump. No matter the issue you are against him. Seems a bit weird to me, but okay. To each his own.

@approxinfinity

You said yourself Biden will be a great president, yet he is guilty of the same things you accuse Trump of. Makes me question your seriousness of Trump. Kind of feel your playing politics.

@DoubleDD I never said Biden would be a great president. I said he would be able to delegate and would be a competent president. We live in an age where everything gravitates towards poles. You hear me say one thing about Biden being a competent president and so your mind files it away as that I said he will be great. I have decided Trump sucks, and you are right, I don't give him credit for much. I have a lot of data points and evaluate each of them individually, but yeah. If you want to play word association, if you say Trump I'll say "loser" without hesitation, sure. Conversely, Fox News never criticizes Trump for anything significant. I'm sure you could dredge up a couple examples of loosely admonishing him for something. Dont bother. I've watched enough to know criticism is absent or projected on someone else.

@approxinfinity

You said Biden would be a great president. No worries have a good day and be safe.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity

You said Biden would be a great president. No worries have a good day and be safe.

No, I did not. Link?

Holy shit, Steak-Um with the hot fire off the top rope.