I'm done with the Chiefs.
BShark
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Facebook is terrible.
@jaybate-1-0 if you could let us know your operating system and web browser that could help. Or if you are using mainly a phone or w/e.
I am able to edit my own posts, fwiw.
Football offers are funny things. I doubt he could have actually committed to most of those schools if he picked KU.
@approxinfinity it seems like Jaybate is having an issue editing his posts. Maybe something is up with the site?
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I'm not sure I want Vick to be the leader of a team. That's what worries me the most.
Teams take on a personality. Vick doesn't have a winning personality.
Give me a guy in Langford who can get to, and finish, at the rim.
Well, you don't want Romeo's personality either. Though with him being a FR he wouldn't be a team leader, he could just be one of the guys which I think is best for him.
Dotson is definitely leader material, it will be interesting to see how next year's team shapes up from that perspective.
Jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Just has really kind of surprised me. - I would of thought Cunliffe would of gotten to se the floor more. - -Why can't he give our Guards a few more minutes of rest - we haven't seen why he couldn't - -he can play the 2 - - the 3 not sure about the one but still, surely you would think he could/should be seeing more time then what we have seen so far. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Cunliffe can't play the 2 imo. 3/4 only. Also I have been saying not to expect much from him...
Of course on the other hand I thought Newman would be good...
Jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
Preston has always been oad, imo.
I think with KU really wanting to add a guard/wing and even taking a look at local guys it says Vick is very likely gone.
I for sure thought he was gone - and still think more of a chance he is then not, which in turn I feel leads us to a very legit chance with Romeo. - I try not to get ahead of myself as for as roster goes, wanting a really successful season this year - -BUT MAN - -and even more so if Doke comes back next year and then if we are fortunate enough to get Langford - -that roster would just be insane.KJ & Dedric Lawson - - McCormack - - De Sosua - - -Doke - - Lightfoot - - Cunliffe - - -then you would have - - Garrett - -- Moore - - Dotson - - -Grimes - - & Langford -I mean JUMPIN - -GEE - -HOSSA - - FATS man - -that is just nuts lol -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'd put Cunliffe in with the guards but yeah, VERY GOOD roster.
@dylans Seems like the staff is currently feeling good about Romeo, though if we start seeing KU scouting a bunch more guards/wings you'd have to say probably not. Adding one more guard/wing makes a lot of sense especially if the staff believes Vick and Newman are gone, it would require a guard in addition to Romeo to fill the roster. What we saw with Dotson and Grimes was very high confidence. The staff just let legit very good D1 players like Ayo and Carey go w/o a fight and things never really got serious with lower tier guards like Noah Locke and Montez Mathis.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I don't want any softness coming back. If you asked me a month ago, absolutely give me SR. Vick.
But not anymore. He is as soft as anyone. Svi has more steals per game than him. He is the most athletic player on the team and yet and average defender and a streaky offensive player that can't create his own shot.
Bring on a new group. I watched Creighton the other night, and Mitchell Ballock would be getting time on this team just because he plays so damn tough.
This team is soft, move on from everyone we possibly can.
I think some SR leadership would help. Having guys around that know Self's system. He would definitely help next year's team. I think he is gone anyway so it doesn't matter.
Ballock was a tough miss. Kid wanted to play and just didn't see it happening at KU early. I'm not sure he'd be seeing minutes. I guess it depends on who KU wouldn't have added to the roster if Ballock was here instead.
Next year's team should be tougher. The Lawsons, Dotson and Garrett are all very tough players with "want to". McCormack is a battler too but I don't think he plays a ton next season.
Preston has always been oad, imo.
I think with KU really wanting to add a guard/wing and even taking a look at local guys it says Vick is very likely gone.
@Jayballer54 I think Vick and Preston are gone, Doke could very well be back. I'd rather have a SR Vick than FR Langford.
Also it really must be something to be a Kentucky fan at this point. They have a legit NBA stud (Keldon Johnson) a probably NBA PG (Quickley) and another pretty good top 40 guard and the sky is falling.
UK fans are stupid. Slater and others mentioned UK just wasn't well positioned in this class. UK fans didn't want to hear it. 2019 Cal will be back with an ultra stacked class though, then all will be right in Kentucky again.
@BeddieKU23 Correct. The staff definitely wants to add a guard. I can't see a big being added at all, too stacked. Even going back to the 3-2, 6 bigs (if Doke is back) is a lot.
BeddieKU23 said:
Thanks. So Norm watches to keep tabs on a localish player making some noise. I would assume an offer wouldn't seem likely until we know the fall out in the spring
Yeah pretty much. I don't know the kid but being a late riser with his interest exploding it makes sense that he would wait now. His best offer is CSU at this point, so he can probably do better. He could definitely end up in the Big 12.
I certainly can't see him getting a committable offer from KU when Romeo is still on the table.
Always good to see back-up plans/kicking the tires. Even if the staff feels really confident about getting Romeo it's better to have players scouted that are decent options compared to totally scrambling late.
When it's an area like KC an award like that the talent of the winner varies heavily year to year. Generally it's at least a D1 player, though I think the 2016 winner ended up at Central Missouri.
Edit: Some of the better recent past winners are Kevin Puryear, Semi Ojeleye, Alec Burks and Marcus Denmon.
wissox said:
Kentucky lost someone for the season a few years ago because the NCAA didn't certify him. We have some character issues in recent years and have recruited kids who's spotty HS record led to issues, Cheick particularly.
I don't think there's a conspiracy. Why would there be against us? Conspiracies require a lot of people keeping their mouths shut for many years.
It makes some KU fans look a little whacky. Not you @AsadZ but go on some Facebook groups. There's a whole lot of whack there!
Yeah. There is no conspiracy. KU took some chances on kids with spotty records.
BeddieKU23 said:
He any good? As in better then his current rank?
Yes. Is he KU good remains to be seen, I will trust the staff's evaluation on that. He has been crushing the local scene but that's obviously a big fwiw. He's definitely a top candidate for the DiRenna (best KC area hooper).
mayjay said:
@BShark Yeah, probably not clear.
Meant dupe=duplicate Trae's crazy year
I.e., would there be any fear on Zion's part that having Dotson would not allow Zion to reach his full potential.
Oh, in that case I don't think so. Dotson isn't perceived to be OAD and isn't in the same shooting stratosphere as Trae.
Dotson will be a very good player for KU though, no doubt.
Meh
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 It could also hurt if anyone thinks Dotson could dupe Trae Young. Would OU have room this year for another OAD?
What?
No
Yep it's this one. No NBA talent and no defense.
@BeddieKU23 Fair point I wasn't thinking about incoming recruits. No way he would get any PT next year.
BeddieKU23 said:
One time post target last year Schnider Herard is transferring from Miss St. Another Miss St that didn't do much while there is now on the move
Duke's Jordan Tucker is transferring as well after barely playing this season. I don't believe KU ever seriously went after him as he wanted Duke. How quickly things change.
I remember some posters, no one here, wanted to try and land him over pursuing Doke. Doke seems a liiiiittle bit better.
Weird to wait so long for an offer from the meat grinder and then transfer when you aren't getting minutes. I'm sure he is disappointed that Goldwire is playing more but Duke has a lot of similar players to Tucker this year.
I wonder where they will end up. I like Tucker long term but KU isn't looking like we will take any transfers this year.
The point was simply that we don't know what Self thinks of Lightfoot. Because his other options are Young and Sosinski. Self can say his minutes won't be impacted but if we also get Billy back and Billy and/or Silvio prove to be better then....
KSU is good, I could see them winning.
Blown said:
don’t believe shaka ever won the AAU. good luck in this conference.
He doesn't have a single conference title period.
BigBad said:
Silvio is not, I repeat NOT going from high school to Big12 play and getting any significant minutes. Anyone remember Oubre not starting? Josh Selby was the #1 player ranked in his high school class and missed some early games and ended up sitting!!! I know this team is thin but Self loathes freshman mental mistakes.
Selby also got nicked up and was in general a bust but your point is still well taken.
@HighEliteMajor Next year will be very telling and we all just have to wait and see.
Jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
DoubleDD said:
I would think that everything that is being posted is speculation.
Breaks my heart to see KU fans believing that KU can't win with Mitch playing. Really sad.
Don't worry Mitch I got your back. Keep playing hard brother.
Where do you think Mitch can fall in the pecking order and KU can be a legit NC contender? He has offered nothing on offense for two consecutive games.
I guess my question to you would be is we know where you think his pecking order should be BUT the question is WHY do you think Coach Self see's/looks at it differently then you do? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We don't know how Self sees it. Self literally has no other scholarship options.
mayjay said:
@KUSTEVE You do know, of course, that Bill Self's alleged hairpiece runs neck and neck as a topic for cleverness awards on opponents' comment boards with "Dollar Bill" and "KU has the refs in their pocket"?
All the classics...
The best part is they usually think Dollar Bill is extremely witty for some reason.
DoubleDD said:
I would think that everything that is being posted is speculation.
Breaks my heart to see KU fans believing that KU can't win with Mitch playing. Really sad.
Don't worry Mitch I got your back. Keep playing hard brother.
Where do you think Mitch can fall in the pecking order and KU can be a legit NC contender? He has offered nothing on offense for two consecutive games.
DoubleDD said:
So how does that go? Hey Mitch love that you're a Jayhawk. Yet we really don't want you to play unless it's in mop up games. You know when the game is over. It doesn't matter that you're the only big that can spell Doka when he is tired or in foul trouble. It doesn't matter that you haven't lost any games for us and do a fine job of eating up minutes. We just feel it would be better to have a OAD big that will never really be a Jayhawk like you. We will only really appreciate you when your a senior even though we have rooted that you would be replaced your entire career at Kansas. Wel will complain about you playing wishing we had a OAD Big to take your spot, then we will complain about that OAD big leaving that took your spot.
Sorry Mitch. Just know some us KU fans love you to death.
Ask Self, he's the one that recruited over Mitch.
DoubleDD said:
Hey I'm just a social media poster. Who happens to post about KU basketball a lot. I just don't see how you sit Mitch this year or next. Experience is priceless.
Look I get what you and others are laying down. Are there more talented bigs to be had? Yep. Yet let's say KU makes a final 4 run this year? How do you sit Mitch after such a run?
It makes no sense to me. A great warrior isn't always the the fasted. A great warrior isn't always the most gifted. A great warrior isn't always the most skilled. A great warrior is more times than not one who refuses to give up and die.
Self doesn't force red shirts. He talks to and is honest with players about their playing time prospects for the upcoming season. Then if the player feels it is in their best interest to redshirt, it happens. So it's up to Mitch. All our posts are just speculation. As for speculation on Mitch it's all about roster construction. Releford redshirted after his first year so it isn't even something unprecedented at KU under Self.
This team has probably about a 1% chance of making the final four though. I honestly don't see it at all. Taking bad shots is like, a feature for this current team. Imo a top 15-25 range team that will lose in the S16, maybe earlier with a rough 2nd round match-up.
The talent is there, and he is also just a little bit crazy. I like him.
Garrett is starting again, idk if that has been posted yet.
dylans said:
We need Malik healthy and playing closer to his potiental for ku to be a major threat. Heck, we need the entire team playing close to its potiental for six games to have a chance to win it all. One bad shooting nigh5 and it’s all over. This team doesn’t hang it’s hat on d.
It's kind of amazing the record is as good as it is with Malik being close to a non-factor. He was supposed to be one of our top 3 players.
KansasComet said:
The Kansas Jayhawks are the team to beat in the Big XII. I don't see that changing anytime soon. It is another year and I am sure the other teams, whether it is OU, WVU, Texas Tech, Baylor, KSU, or any other school in the Conference, thinks this is the year they are going to take the Conference Title away from the Kansas Jayhawks. I am not worried about the other schools. The other schools better worry about Kansas! We have another great team assembled. Devonte Graham, I would not want any other point guard in the Big XII. Lagerald Vick, I would not trade for anyone. When Svi gets to cooking from the outside, we go to another level. Udoka Azubuike? There's only one Udoka and he resides at Allen Field House. He dominates physically in the paint like no other. Newman is a sharpshooter and can get to the basket. Garrett is a rising freshman. Lightfoot is coming along nicely. Hopefully, we will see what Billy Preston brings to the table soon. Silvio Desouza is on board along with Sam Cunliffe, lots of potential there. Not to mention the transfers that they go up against every day in practice only making our team better. I say the rest of the Big XII should worry about the Kansas Jayhawks and Hall of Fame Coach Bill Self!
REHawk said:
I have always considered our Jayhawk hoop coach's skin to be more than ordinarily thick...but for the occasional surfacing of some vocal slight from a professional cohort. It does appear that his level of reaction undergoes an intensity which ebbs over time, giving way to attention toward newer and more current slights. Our mentor is capable of easing the force of a toe from a rival's throat. For instance, I give you Mr. Weber, then I give you Mr. Smart. And off in the distance do I detect a fart escaping from the training pants of a Mr. Marshall?
You can tell who Self does and doesn't like, at least I think, based on post game hand shakes and comments. I'm fairly sure Self doesn't like Weber, Drew and Smart.
Self does seem to have a lot of respect for coaches like Kruger, Dixon and Huggins otoh.
Jmo, could obviously be wrong.
BeddieKU23 said:
according to Kentucky they never recruited him lol otherwise he would be a wildcat.
Grimes? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Trae will not be losing OU any games. LOL
Grimes had 19 as his team lost by 2 in the runner up game at their recent tournament. Probably tired from scoring so much in three games yesterday. :joy:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Down goes #10.
Down goes #1.
5 looking like they'll lose.
3 with a decent chance to lose tonight.
4, 6, 9, and 13 with close wins.
And none of this really matters much because it's basketball, not football.
College hoops = best sport
HawkChamp said:
@Gunman that's why the ASU game is so frustrating to me. He is a matchup advantage against everyone not named Bamba and Bagley and we barely used him in that game.
At least the team seems to be feeding Doke more lately.
He's a total stud and very interested in KU.