Lol.
BShark
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BeddieKU23 said:
ESPN listed Langford and Grimes #8 and #9 in their way too early 2019 Draft board..
Yeah good luck seeing these kids past their 1 year
Wow Grimes is climbing. Was really hoping he'd be a 2 year guy.
BeddieKU23 said:
situational basketball is where I'm worried.
Doke foul trouble. Devonte foul trouble. Those 2 situations provide the most unknown right now.
Excited to see how this group blends in and digs in
Devonte being a SR knows what to do imo. Like, it's worth him letting a guy go by him sometimes so as not to pick up a foul. He is worth more on the court than a cheap foul. Plus, KU at least has a semblance of guard depth.
I am much more concerned about Doke foul trouble.
BeddieKU23 said:
We landed potentially the best College 5 in the class
3-4 year guy that knows he is a big and fits what Self wants like a glove vs a talented but head case OAD 7 footer with effort issues. Hmm I know what I'd take.
Read that Self and Norm both play it super straight according to an AAU coach. Not even a whiff of bringing up $.
Edit: Norm was the only KU asst that this AAU coach had dealings with.
Also said KU DOES NOT BASH OTHER SCHOOLS in recruiting, merely does their own pitch.
@Kcmatt7 Yeah. They will be nice utility players to have next year. Can back-up the wing or the 4 in match-ups where we need to go small.
As for Garrett my own thoughts are known but there are those that think he can run point in time. Garrett certainly has "IT" which we know Self loves.
That ordering is in order of who you'd want running the point in my own opinion. I do know that some prefer Garrett to Moore.
@Kcmatt7 Agree it's close and there is room for both. If I could choose I'd probably take Dotson and Grimes.
Dotson/Moore/Garrett/Grimes
Moore/Garrett/Grimes/Langford
Hard to go wrong either way.
I count Cunliffe and KJ as more 3/4 types.
Kcmatt7 said:
I prefer Langford personally. I think he is a better athlete and will be able to score from 3 levels right away. I think Grimes will end up stuck as a wing who only shoots 3s his first season or two and then develop into a guy who can score at all 3 levels.
Depends on the roster. If KU doesn't get Dotson (likely, imo) but then gets Grimes and another guard at random. Then say Newman goes pro as expected. Grimes is one of the top 3 ball handlers on the team*, he would run back-up point and play mostly 2 guard imo.
Langford is definitely a 2/wing under Self.
*Moore and Garrett being the other two.
Zion arrived in Lawrence last night brother jayballer.
@jayballer54 Huh? He's on campus now. lol
@KUSTEVE Self ain't playin when he called Billy the best player on the team. Let's just see if he can consistently transfer it to games. Kid has a ton of talent. It might be that Self was the perfect choice to help him fully unleash during games.
Newman is an exciting talent too.
Frank and Josh had "IT" but this team has more talent. Esp if you are counting Doke vs Landen.
Don't trust Capel for shit. Don't believe K is involved, or their other assistants.
dylans said:
How about Capel at Duke? They've really had an upswing in recruiting the last several years. Hmm
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark makes more sense. Not zeroing in on kids. Just offering based on basketball skill. If you wanna come here or adidas does their thing in the dark without him knowing he's not in any trouble.
Thing is they are clearly targeting assistant coaches and head coaches are either in the dark or aware and it is an agreement that the assistant coach will just be the fall guy.
Yep yep yep. If KU coaches are not involved we should be fine. That's what I'm hoping for and I've actually heard some good things in that regard.
Same unless you are a Terrapin fan. They have no 80+ pages going and an absolute obsession that we are paying everyone
Lol Maryland fans. I have no doubt KU has landed some guys that got paid by Adidas. Seems like a lot of players get paid. If it's just pick an Adidas school and KU wins out, I don't think KU or the coaches can be faulted, by the FBI or the NCAA for that matter. What is the NCAA gonna do? Ban every school?
You know one thing that is really nice? Having walk-ons on the team with rich parents. :money_with_wings:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark makes more sense. Not zeroing in on kids. Just offering based on basketball skill. If you wanna come here or adidas does their thing in the dark without him knowing he's not in any trouble.
Thing is they are clearly targeting assistant coaches and head coaches are either in the dark or aware and it is an agreement that the assistant coach will just be the fall guy.
Yep yep yep. If KU coaches are not involved we should be fine. That's what I'm hoping for and I've actually heard some good things in that regard.
I'd say coaches and programs not directly involved are safe.
@JayHawkFanToo Thanks to SZ....
JayHawkFanToo said:
Langford is a likely OAD while Grimes is not. KU might get more from Langford in his one year but Grimes might be the overall better choice since will stay for 3-4 years.
Don't sleep on Grimes' NBA potential though. If he showed out better PG skills I could see him being only a 2 year guy.
I'd take Grimes for sure though, if it's one or the other.
Random thought
Notice how Self and co would cast a wide net with offers? Perhaps Self knew how the system worked, wasn't directly involved but by casting a wide net you don't close any doors. So if a kid is shifted to Adidas, KU is in it.
Just some more hopeful thinking.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 I don't want to get into too much contradiction here. I do see your point.
But let's say you're a high school coach. if adidas came to you and said "We'll pay you to go out and steer players to use adidas shoes, but do it secretly. We don't want them to know you work for us. And we'll give you money to give them as incentive because we think, in the end, that's good for adidas" -- how is that corrupt or illegal?
Simply because it violates an organization's "rules" (as opposed to laws), that doesn't make it corrupt or illlegal.
Just really spitballin' here.
It's illegal because the goverrats didn't get their cheddar from the transactions.
@jayballer54 Yeah, click the profile of the writer for lols.
ISU
KSU
Okie Lite
I mean would it be surprising if Adidas was trying to make sure Zion went to an Adidas school? Not really. As long as KU wasn't directly involved I do not care.
jayballer54 said:
@BShark Well we can always hope. I don't really believe there is much substance to it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No real sources. Hack writer that is a Duke fan. Lol.
@KUSTEVE That is because It's fake news.
Garbage. Just like KK himself oddly enough.
So two years into an investigation and now a couple days later with much more being exposed and the only maybe with Kansas is Selby? The same Selby that was first committed elsewhere and we already know had some impermissible benefits issues. This seems pretty good so far.
Minor concern with Newman and Miss St but there wouldn't be any wrong doing by Kansas in that situation. It would just pretty much derail the current season if Malik can't play of course.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark I think the outbidding scheme involved Little instead of Quickley. I mean, everybody knows Kentucky pays their players, but it still has to be proven. So, i was giddy, hoping it was quickley, but it looks like we'll have to wait to hear the kentucky sordid details. It shouldn't take very long.
See my earlier post. 100% the one named in the report was Little and it was between Zona and Miami. The Quickley with Miami thing is a currently unsupported claim.
BeddieKU23 said:
So if its not Little then its Quickley right?
what is going on here..
The player in the report was always Little. Quickley is just speculation at the moment. I think I mentioned that at the time but this is all becoming a blur.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark But, we lost Ayton. Jackson signed with UA. And Wiggins didn't need money. Selby also probably took money from Adidas and so he picked Tennessee. UT ended up getting investigated for the Aaron Craft debacle and he decomitted and ended up at KU. So far, nothing to worry about other than the coincedence that KU landed 3 guys in late spring that were recruited by Towns who is known as a phenomenal recruiter. We lost out to Ayton early, and we know he was paid.
Fair enough. I'm still on the cautiously optimistic plan.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I did find that Townsend was lead on Selby. And Wiggins. And Jackson. And Ayton. If we have a coach who is a problem, it is him.
Welp.
@Kcmatt7 Rumours flying that KU will be named today. Not from anywhere substantial yet though. So maybe just jealousy and trolls.
@Kcmatt7 Interesting. Really hope KU gets through this clean.
Yes. It's all crazy rumours until something is official. Great time for trolls and fake twitter accounts though I guess.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Yep. And it's ironic how it is always guys that the staff recruited their asses off for. We watched Sexton how many times? Visited him over and over. Put in the work. And then it slips away "because Avery Johnson played in the NBA and he knows what he's doing." I always knew that was bullshit. Makes a ton more sense now.
Yeah I'd buy staying close to home over Avery Johnson knows what he is doing. Ha.
KU was def on Sexton early. Tried real hard on that one.
BeddieKU23 said:
Where are you going with in regards to that?
Rumours flying that FBI is digging particularly deep into the Baltimore area. Not sure what the statute of limitations is, but that was one that definitely didn't smell right. Hopefully KU is clean that far back.
Does anyone remember who the lead assistant was on the 2010 recruit that wasn't Woolridge?
approxinfinity said:
@BShark should our recent re- up with Adidas for $191 mill over 14 years worry us?
Can we "decommit" from Adidas; how about Puma? LaGerald doesn't mind rocking soccer shorts I'm sure. Their shoes run narrow but surely they have a wide model.
I'd be more worried about a "recruit from 2010".
@Kcmatt7 @KUSTEVE @BeddieKU23 Ok so Collin Sexton took 25k from Bama. I'm feeling better about KU slowly here. If KU was dirty, no way Sexton gets away that cheap right?
KUSTEVE said:
It has to be Quickly. The report states that Miami had offered a player 150k, and was outbid. Oh my goodness. Is the Squid's day of judgement finally on us?
The player in the report is Nas Little. Quickley is new speculation.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Oh man...if this guy can figure it out...oh man...
One of the most talented bigs Self has ever had. Just...a bit of a headcase.
Rumours are flying about UK right now. Might be nailed for Quickley. Might be someone at Miami turning. Miami supposedly offered 150k but UK went to 250k to close.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree. Mack would have to be insane, or drunk on bourbon to take the job.
jayballer54 said:
@Kcmatt7 Hmmmm, and Bama ends up at Kentucky. - - well now wonder how that happened? - - -Did Kentucky send some money his way or some kind of way. - -Something about Kentucky smells in this whole thing too. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
World Wide Wes.
We will find out quickly just how bulletproof Cal is.