Kcmatt7 said:
And add Bama to the list of programs that are taking a hit. No surprise. Ferguson and Sexton come to mind. Starting to make more sense.
Looks like this came from an internal investigation too. Makes sense, sacrifice basketball people because lawd forbid anyone sniffs around their football program too long!
He was rather bad in Italy but it should be noted he was injured/not comfortable. So hopefully he is better now.
Do I believe Duke directly cheated there? Probably not. I would imagine Duke just takes advantage of being a premier brand and Nike.
Let me tell you about a mystery recruit. Name rhymes with Mason Baitem. Mason grew up watching KU on tv. His family had multiple KU fans in fact, I believe a grad as well. But, Mason was a Nike kid. So when it came time for his final cut, his childhood team did not make the list. This came as a shock to some, but SWOOSH there it is. Ultimately Mason ends up at a school that rhymes with Puke.
Names changed to protect the "innocent".
There was actually a pretty good post about this on the phog that I tend to agree with.
It's extremely likely that the vast majority of schools have had player(s) that were paid by the shoecos. That, quite frankly, isn't even controllable. They were bidding on kids to go to Adidas, Nike, UA schools. The difference is if there was direct involvement with assistant coaches or not. So, say Adidas wins out for Wiggins, promises him a big contract after school. He just has to pick an Adidas school. Well okay let's call up Kansas and commit, only Adidas school on his list. This does line-up with the KU coaches being somewhat surprised with his commitment IF you believe that.
@KUSTEVE I'm not as much of a true believer as you. I sure hope you are right though. Rumours abound right now that people are already flipping others.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Didn't they say that Quinerly got 20k a week or so ago when he committed to AZ?
Yeah, seems cheap tbh, lol.
Kcmatt7 said:
I'm trying to figure out which players are in the DoJ report.
- Player 10 - Bowen
- Player 11 - Afernee Simmons? It is a Louisville recruit. Just can't figure out who.
- Player 12 - Little
- Player 9 - ? Currently plays for USC.
Player 11 is almost certainly Balsa.
@Kcmatt7 Wow you are right about a lot of the $$ commitments, they happened early in the cycle. Simons probably got paid by Louisville and he committed in his JR year.
Alexander still concerns me. I know his mom took a loan. It was pretty well known that his recruitment was shady and that he wanted money. My main hope is just that KU wasn't involved directly.
Of course Self benched Alexander when he found out about the loan at least...
Buckle up.
Kcmatt7 said:
The more I look, the programs in trouble were able to sign guys super early. Almost like they were able to figure out who was for sale early and then take that approach with them and get them signed as soon as the early signing period opened up.
I'm cautiously optimistic with KU. It never made sense to me how AZ and others were able to have crazy depth while KU struggled to get non-wing players. I mean KU has been filling the cracks with transfers and has 9 eligible players this year. Now I considered that a problem, but if it means KU wasn't directly and profusely cheating well that's pretty great.
JayHawkFanToo said:
If you look a the article and others written contemporaneously, many consider Mitch an elite athlete. His rebounding is well above average for someone his size and with comparable playing time. I would love to see what he can do if he is given enough game minutes to get confident and develop his game.
Well he's going to get minutes, so we'll find out. Provided all of CBB isn't sucked into a death vortex by the FBI.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Good point. We still have an open scholarship and PT in the front court... Malik Williams wouldn't hurt my feelings.
If he would still be eiligible and could freely transfer, then he should definitely be considered.
@JayHawkFanToo It depends on your definition. If it's by normal standards yes he is, by players at elite basketball programs probably not as much.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I'm far less worried now that I know we lost the recruits. It was always a weird thought how Arizona was able to keep up on the recruiting trail with KU, UCLA, UK and Duke.
I'm fairly confident that Bill was smart enough to have 1000 degrees of separation from the Adidas reps. And to make sure that his assistants knew not to even talk to them. I'm not saying that Adidas wasn't trying to pay players to go to KU, but Bill probably didn't know which ones were up for sale. At least, that is what it looks like at the moment.
Something that I think bodes well for KU is that it's not like every kid that goes pro after being at KU signs with Adidas. In fact, far from it.
BeddieKU23 said:
KU has nothing to worry about right now. Everyone lawyered up, nobody is going to jail for an eternity here. If some of these people talk to plea down then we'll see what happens.
The 2 most important factors to KU's future I believe are the director of Adidas, what does he say when he's being charged? The other being the EYBL guy Code. Obviously those guys have the opportunity to open another can of worms about a lot of programs.
100% agree.
Hold hands and hope, lol.
@Kcmatt7 I'm more worried about recruits KU missed out on, but was potentially in a bidding war for. Now if by some miracle KU wasn't offering to pay Ayton, Tarc etc...and it's AZ's money that pulled them to AZ then...well fuck AZ and good for KU...
On some level all the African players worry me a little bit because there is no doubt they have/had sleazy people around them.
Kcmatt7 said:
If anything, this was Self knowing that Adidas would take care of him without any contact from his staff to Adidas. A sort of unspoken agreement. Bill would do his part, and Adidas would do theirs with no contact necessary.
This would be an excellent scenario for KU.
BeddieKU23 said:
The Grimes/Langford duo is a game changer at KU if it happens. Langford has some things he needs to clean up effort wise and defensively. Lots of stuff out there that the game is just so easy for him at this point and he's bored. Self would definitely change that quickly.
I've long maintained Self needs to land these type of guys to compete next year. Some combination of Dotson, Grimes, Langford at guard to go with the transfers and 2 big men we have on board is a dynamite reload
Buckets would rain from the sky.
Also, a defensive line-up of Grimes/Garrett/Langford/SDS/McCormack would be pretty good. And by pretty good I mean stifling. SARAN WRAP. Now I do think Dedric will start, but say you NEED a stop and the other team has taken a timeout, I'd say you go to this line-up.
EJ Montgomery has decommitted from Auburn. No surprise there. KU is fine on bigs, provided De Sousa isn't caught up in this mess. Some shady coach is involved with De Sousa. It's not the guy he visited KU with but he did move from Monteverde to IMG with this coach.
Kcmatt7 said:
@approxinfinity Was just going to say that. If somehow we get out of this completely unscathed, lookout.
With Pitino being fired, I'd have to say the Romeo sweepstakes are going to heat up. KU would have to look like the favorite at this point I would think.
Sounding like Romeo will be a spring time decision, lots of people saying that now. Would make sense. See how rosters shape up, if any other programs get murdered by the FBI etc...
Dotson should decide within the next week or so.
Alexander, Diallo, Wiggins, Jackson, Selby. You tell me if KU is clean... Quite ironically, KU could have mostly done fine w/o those players. Jackson I'd argue was vital though.
And I mean, presumably, KU was in a bidding war with Arizona on those recruits they lost out on. That stuff could come out. Likely not very actionable by the FBI since they didn't pay but stuff you could be sanctioned for. Now, if most of the NCAA is guilty, what happens then?
Too many scenarios here to guess at which one plays out.
BeddieKU23 said:
I only mentioned that KU was involved in recruiting them. It's reassuring that we didn't wave the biggest check around for any of these guys as we cast a wide net in recruiting and so far nothing that is known that implicates KU doing anything wrong.
But if your Delusional Jeff at Maryland's board all you care about is KU getting tied to this so that he can run some more articles to his subscribers. We might as well make him a We Hate Kansas t-shirt, sweatshirt, coffee mug as a nice starter kit. Sad.
I'm sure Kansas along with every single major Power 5 program is in some sort of damage control. At the least they are holding meetings to discuss if there is anything they need to get ahead of. The big bad wolf is here, not the teacher's pet (NCAA) who might scold and slap you on the wrist. The fallout of this could be catostrophic accross the board or this is the warning shot and things slowly go back to normal. You'd hope if the FBI has more to provide that they continue to drop the hammers because otherwise people will still continue to do business.
It's on a knife edge with the people currently charged. It sounds like if everyone lawyers up well (duhhh) then at most people are looking at just under 3 years in jail but much more likely significantly less, even if fully convicted. Of course, all it takes is them flipping one more of these guys so that he gives out more names. Then more people get arrested, more schools are implicated and the FBI has more people to try and flip if need be.
Kcmatt7 said:
@jaybate-1.0 more likely than not, this one guy was caught committing fraud and that was what opened the investigation. It wasn't a probe into CBB, but a probe into this mans finances that lead to them seeing a much larger illegal activity going on in CBB.
Correct. More info came out on it. He invested some funds without permission. Of course 2.35 million is a lot of money to appear out of nowhere so it was looked into which lead to the current cases.
Highly recommend reading that article fully. Puts stuff in perspective.
@BeddieKU23 KU backed off Simmons and O'Bannon... Gives me a slight pulse of hope.
Several that worry me though, and it's going to be awhile before all the dust settles.
jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
wowzers that moved fast
I'll be honest if KU gets Grimes and Langford I wouldn't even care if Dotson went to MD. Hell maybe this is a factor...he did cut AZ right before Quinerly popped for them.
Ummm, you do know your hurting my feelings right lol? - -Devon has been my boy from day 1, and there you go talking and saying you don't care if he comes here or not lol. So you maybe trying to say that he is visiting Maryland on the assumption that Langford is about ready to pop for us? - You or I hope you know I'm just messing with you and giving you a hard time.
So he says his visit is on the 28thth, so wondering if that means he will stay her for late night? I just don't know what to think - - like was said JUMPIN - -GEE - -HOSSA - -FATS - -this came out of no where, well not nowhere but thought he was pretty well Louisville bound. Crazy recruiting season - -possible HUGE recruiting season for us if all plays out. - -So we now have possibilities of Grimes/ Strong - - Dotson/ I still feel strong - -& Romeo - will be very interesting how this plays out. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Lol. Would love to see Dotson end up at KU, just doesn't seem likely now.
@ParisHawk Very fair point.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark One of Yahoo's reporters is saying South Carolina is involved as well in this. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/fbi-brings-armageddon-college-basketball-just-tip-iceberg-184524346.html ↗
Yeah from the guy that is now at Okie State I believe. So much to go through.
jayballer54 said:
@BShark Well I'm not to smart but seems to me that it would be pretty hard to visit UCLA this weekend when it was stated that he is visiting here on the 28th. Visits usually late just a wee bit more then 24 hours. - -so ya still confusing. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think you've confused yourself. KU visit is OCTOBER 28 not September.
Crazy stuff, just crazy. Recommend reading this entire article.
Nothing all that confusing.
http://247sports.com/player/romeo-langford-86372 ↗
All his visits are listed. Yes he will visit UCLA and UNC. I think it comes down to IU and KU.
Josh Jackson worries me BUT he signed with UA, not Adidas. That relieves me somewhat.
KUSTEVE said:
The Tucson newspaper is laying the wood to Stubby:
http://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/greg-hansen-corruption-bribery-fraud-and-conspiracy-could-be-arizona/article_fae23f0a-0af2-5b46-8917-689494623511.html ↗ ↗
Yeah, Arizona will be hammered. I just hope KU won't be. Thankfully Wiggins was before the probe.
Some didn't even pan out but I'm talking about Ayton, Josiah Turner, Tarc etc...
Though this certainly makes losing various recruits to Arizona under mysterious circumstances a lot less painful...
KUSTEVE said:
How many of Stubby's players are going to be suspended over this? AZ cancelled their Media Day scheduled for tomorrow. They are preseason number 1 or 2 in practically every poll.
Arizona will burn. Louisville will burn.
I'm not reveling in it much, since there is probably much more to come.
Yeah WVU is looking pretty good right about now.
DanR said:
The more I read about this, the weirder it is.
Shoe Co.'s shovel hundreds of millions to universities, and that's cool.
Adidas sliding $20K to some assistant coaches at Nike/UA schools to basically recruit nike players for adidas sponsorship post-college is, like... Whoah. Call the FBI someone!
"A fin. advisor was cooperating with gov't. SEC had brought securities fraud against him last year for misusing the athletes money." - DOJ
This all started because they got something on one guy, and he very quickly started helping them uncover more.
jayballer54 said:
Well went to the Kentucky boards, of Course Kentucky people saying Coach Self is probably sweating like the Niagra Falls under his toupee - -typical on top of the fact they think Louisville may get the death penalty or at least some but you know how they are.
Louisville Board saying big news announcement tomorrow morning and that Rick P is going to be fired. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
They might want to be more concerned with the fact that the FBI just seized the computer of one of Cal's boys, Andy Miller.
jayballer54 said:
Read off the Louisville Board that Rick is expected to be fired in the morning , So that could be a big shift for us in the Langford recruitment although that leaves us with Indiana, we shall see
I have a feeling that this Corruption thing is just getting started - -I don't think any school really safe - - this is just the tip of the Ice Berg. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No doubt it will come down to KU and IU.
FBI raided ASM and seized Andy Miller's computer. Calipari might be developing some back issues soon. Heard K gave him tips on that.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Always remember this: if it is from Gregg Doyel, it is guaranteed to be wrong 90% of the time.
Almost forgot you hate his guts. I have nothing against him. :shrug_tone3:
HighEliteMajor said:
Are we pristine?
Is this the death of college basketball?
No.
I doubt it but maybe.
BeddieKU23 said:
wowzers that moved fast
I'll be honest if KU gets Grimes and Langford I wouldn't even care if Dotson went to MD. Hell maybe this is a factor...he did cut AZ right before Quinerly popped for them.
This is two visits within a week. Wonder if we are trying to close here.
Self and Howard checking in with Grimes today. Yeeeehaw.
Self and Howard checked in with him last night. Visit to KU is set for Oct 28.