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@Beddie23

Him or Devonte probably. My comment was actually directed at @REHawk so I should have @ him before. Vick may start, but it won't be over Newman. Graham and Newman are locked in stone starters.

Replacing two great players is difficult. Otoh Tyler Self was the 2nd guard off the bench last year and the one big Self trusted was not athletic at all. The whole one big thing definitely skews the rebounding stats. Frank was a good rebounder but in a normal situation, even just Doke being healthy, his numbers there would have been lower.

Agree though, it's nice to have the Italy trip. Lots of new pieces to fit in.

Newman will start.

Kcmatt7 said:

How are we doing on 2018 bigs? I know we just made Naz Reid's cut. But that's about the only news I've heard on that front. I think Bagley ultimately ends up going straight pro, but I hope he drags out his recruitment. Bill does his best work in April. I don't even really want Bol Bol. So really I don't see us landing an impact big unless we land Naz Reid.

I just don't see Preston or Doke playing another year regardless of how their seasons go. Leaves us with Mitch and the Lawsons. I think KJ will slide into a stretch 4 role. Which probably better suits him athletically and skill-wise. But there is plenty of unchallenged PT for a top big-man to be had. We need to land a 5. Dedric can play there for spurts. But no way can anyone else on our current roster. We are loaded at potential stretch 4s, but that only works if you have a 5 who can eat rebounds. Need to find a backup 5. (Or starting post player if we somehow pulled off a Zion or Bagley miracle).

No one seems to know the answer to this. It is possible that Preston and/or Doke are back though. I think Doke returning is slightly more likely.

Looks like we are simply in wait and see mode.

Kcmatt7 said:

@KUSTEVE Big Combo Guard. Would be a great second ball handler. A DG type of role. Cunliffe will have to prove he can do something besides hit a shot. And Vick might have the highest ceiling of anyone on next seasons team so he might not even be here. Plus, Grimes might not be a OAD. I know Garrett is kind of a similar guy, but you could slide him to the 3 and possibly have 3 PGs on the floor at once and be a very unselfish team offensively. That is a very high BBIQ lineup.

Yeah. The team will get by this year with two guards (Graham, Newman), but three is much more ideal. I view Garrett as a wing until proven otherwise, I don't care what his position was in HS. What will matter is if he has the ability to play the position at the major D1 level.

Also I agree that KJ and maybe even Cunliffe are more 3/4 types. Although Cunliffe hated that at ASU...

Anyway, point being that if Newman jumps to go pro as expected, signing two pg/cg would be ideal, one absolutely essential to not getting destroyed by teams that press.

BeddieKU23 said:

ESPN updated rankings for 2018

Grimes down to 29, not understanding the drop honestly.

Dotson #33

Dosunmu #39

Carey # 55 (nice jump, finally people are catching on)

Bernard #57

A few Duke prospects saw big jumps before they commit.

Grimes has been sick lately, though if ESPN isn't factoring that in they aren't doing their job very well...

http://247sports.com/Article/NBA-Top-100-Five-Star-2018-PG-Quentin-Grimes-Says-Duke-Picking-U-53199547 ↗

“I definitely want to visit Kentucky, Kansas and Texas. I might do four, maybe all five official visits, but those are the three I'm definitely going to visit.”

BeddieKU23 said:

Baylor picked up a big transfer in Mario Kegler for 2018. A likely starter at SF or small ball 4..

They also have a really weird situation with Makai Mason.

http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/yale-guard-makai-mason-transferring-to-baylor/article_a6e782c2-b566-5ca3-908e-3b40dc40ce6e.html ↗

He's going to play for Yale this upcoming season, and then grad transfer to Baylor.

@BeddieKU23

I don't think KU/Self could go wrong with Grimes, Dotson, Carey or Ayo. But yes we have pretty much grown accustom to great 3pt shooting KU teams.

Now, a bad 3pt shooting team under Self doesn't seem to be as much of an indicator for team success as it does with say, Bruce Weber. The last two what I would consider bad 3pt shooting KU teams, Self lost to Stanford early but the other made the title game against that stacked UK dream team.

Next year could be worrisome in that regard depending on how players develop and who is signed.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2017/jun/13/ku-freshman-marcus-garrett-confident-ever/ ↗

:heart:

jayballer54 said:

@BShark Well that sounds interesting. - -So talk to me is this guy legit? must be decent enough if We hollering, sounds like his interest is pretty legit with us. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ayo or Bernard? I think KU has a good shot with Ayo. He is good friends with Charlie Moore and played with Markese this summer. I'm not sure KU will take a wing in this class and Bernard is def a wing. If Vick stays to go with Garrett, Cunliffe and KJ Lawson, definitely already a full compliment of wings. If KU signs a wing, someone is leaving early for sure.

And yeah Dotson visited KU on his own dime and it was a very good visit.

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Looks like we need to get Carey on campus as quickly as we can. A lot of programs are after him it seems.

The way he talked about Uconn makes me think they could be the favorites especially with his proximity to them. Who knows if Gilbert and Adams will on the rosters after this season which would basically guarantee him a starting role.

If he hasn't talked to coach Self yet I wonder how much KU is really pursuing him which sucks I think he's as good as any guard we have a chance with.

I read this in similar fashion. If KU got Grimes and Ayo then it would work out but honestly it would be fine to prioritize Carey I think. Doesn't seem like the staff is going in that direction. Grimes is a huge priority.

Also it won't happen because of numbers and kids wanting lots of pt but could you imagine an Ayo/Grimes/Carey back court? Would be just filthy.

http://kansas.247sports.com/Article/An-Update-With-Versatile-Four-Star-67-Wing-Jules-Bernard-Kansas--53232390? ↗

Let's go through a couple of the other ones. Which would you like to start with?

Kansas, they offered me maybe two months ago.

Obviously a big-time program.
Yeah. I like their coach. He called me and talked to me and, you know, it wasn't only about basketball. It wasn't only about basketball. He talked about me and my family. He talked to me about my teammates. I definitely like how they're not only focused on basketball. They're focused on you as a person.

Was that different?

Yeah, I think all coaches try to do it to a certain extent, but it was definitely refreshing to see from a big-time program like that to show that they care about the person.

Were you surprised when they offered?

No, I wasn't surprised, but I was very excited. I was super excited.

One of the blue blood programs
Yeah, I was super excited. I think with all of the hard work that I've put in through the years, I think I deserved it. It was definitely humbling to have them offer me.

Might you visit them?

Probably after the summer when I have time to go on a visit.

Looks like KU is pretty in it for Ayo. He is visiting Illinois Tuesday and should be taking his officials soon. KU, Xavier, Wake Forest, Northwestern. Ayo is good enough that you take his commitment and then worry about how it impacts other guard recruits later imo.

@globaljaybird

Is Miles taking a prep year? Kind of hard to find info on him. Would be awesome to have all the kids at KU, if that's what they wanted.

I feel good about our chances with Markese Jacobs. :joy:

JRE, Chandler Lawson and Zach Harvey are all kids you'd figure will end up at KU.

That would already be 4 commitments, and how many scholarships will KU even have open? If KU had to take three guards, well I would hope for Cole Anthony but it's too early to tell on most 2019 prospects.

BeddieKU23 said:

Slater is hearing that Dotson's top 3 is KU, Maryland and Florida..Maryland scares me some with the recent visit he took there. They do have Cowan and Morsell at PG so its not like he's walking into a bare situation there. Florida definitely needs a PG after losing Alexander to Kentucky and Chiozza is a Sr..

Florida might be the favourite atm.

Illinois made sure to get Ayo in for another unofficial after that KU offer. :joy:

As long as two good guards are landed, all will be well. Grimes/Carey/Dotson KU is right in the thick of it. Ayo I'm not sure what to think yet. Other higher level recruits (Quickley, Smart, Quinerly) are probably a pipe dream and it's too early to know what the staff is thinking in terms of fallback plans.

Only need one guard if Newman stays, but I think he is going pro.

http://247sports.com/Article/Quick-QA-With-63-2018-Four-Star-PG-Jalen-Carey-Kansas-UConnn-53216849 ↗

Kansas?

Yeah, Kansas has been hitting me up. Coach Norm (Roberts) has been hitting me up and telling me he’s going to try to get me on the phone with Bill Self, but they offered me. I don’t know when I’ll be able to get out there. Kansas is a little far.

You might have to do an official for that one.

Yeah, I’d probably have to do an official. Hopefully, I’ll just take it from there.

What do you know about their program?

I know they have a good program. Bill Self is a great coach. They’ve got a great record of developing point guards.

A lot of people are saying you’re going to go to Kansas.

(laughs) I don’t really have a favorite school.

And some people also think UConn.

They have a great history and a great lineage of players. I don’t really have a favorite right now. I’m just playing the game.

What are you going to look for, whenever you do decide?

Somewhere like home, where I don’t have to worry about anything. Somewhere I fit in and just be able to play right away. That’s my main goal- to go to a school that’ll get me to that next level.

@BeddieKU23

Well they were right about one thing. LB JR will have a better KSU career than Bragg at KU.

And yeah...they will have to reach more than usual this year.

Stokes/Brown vs Graham/Newman

Sneed vs Svi/Vick

LB JR vs Preston

Talk about mental gymnastics to make that favour KSU.

@BeddieKU23

Bruce might be looking at the bottom of the league. I know he's a "good coach" because people keep repeating it so he might be able to avoid it. Their roster is really bad though, this will be a true test. Post defense could be a real issue. They have bodies inside, but none stand out on that end. Dean Wade is the only one we know is decent offensively, and even then, the Dean Wade that hero balls against KU is not the one that shows up in most other games. Stokes, Brown, Sneed and Wade are all okay players, but after that it kind of falls off a cliff, and that's not even a full starting line-up.

We will know a lot more about KSU once they actually start playing games, since the four I mentioned are their only four returners that will see much pt.

Bruce just kicked their possible starting center off the team. Tough times in kitten land.

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dylans said:

3atar walkon? He must believe in the program. I like

Beaty has the juices flowing ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK ALL DAY LONG.

Neither will end up at KU.

Apparently Ayo Dosunmu is still very good friends with Charlie Moore. If getting Moore also nets Dosunmu, that was one of the best signings Self has had.

@BeddieKU23

Yeah a bit odd that it's 19/20 kids only.

I'm not one to trust Meyer's word much but yeah he switched Dotson to MD and Ayo to KU. I wouldn't even be mad.

@chriz

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2017/jun/14/malik-newman-udoka-azubuike-lead-jayhawk/ ↗

http://kansas.247sports.com/Article/Highlights-from-KU-summer-scrimmage-2-53183467 ↗

For whoever was wondering if Self should use the alumni game for visits... Well is is certainly using these scrimmages. Multiple visitors yesterday and of course Adam Miller will be in today.

@Crimsonorblue22 Thanks :hatched_chick:

@JayHawkFanToo Love Mitch. Gives great effort, 100% Jayhawk that WANTS to be in Lawrence. If his worst case is happy 4 year practice player that's not even the worst thing in the world for the 13th scholarship. However if he does get strong enough and develops a nice outside shot, there is no reason why he can't get decent minutes down the road.

The 5 is a dying position. Players don't even want to be called a 5 anymore. We are blessed to have Udoka.

When Self has starting spots to sell, he usually does alright. Last year was brutal until Self cleaned up in the transfer market securing future teams. If things keep trending that way, then I'll be more intrigued.

I hear Mitch is developing a trey gun. This should please @jaybate-1-0

@dylans

I sure hope so! Three solid commits so far in June. Fingers crossed that everyone ends up in Lawrence.

Hoo boy.

Danke @KUSTEVE

@KUSTEVE

Link for the lazy, ie me?

Terrence Hargrove JR visiting as well. Currently unranked 2019 wing but that will likely change. He is a bit raw but super athletic. Aka Bill Self kryptonite.

@BeddieKU23

KU made the cut of a player I wasn't aware was even being recruited*. Amazing how these things work.

*Montez Mathis, who doesn't have a KU offer.

And yeah Sherron could replace Jerrance. I wouldn't mind that.

@mayjay

I decided to not stir the pot. Error in judgment.

Self is a master reloader. Always competitive.

http://247sports.com/Player/Adam-Miller-46036282 ↗

Coming to KU for a visit Thursday. He's really good. Mac Irvin Fire connection (Cliff, Charlie Moore, Markese Jacobs) so I would figure KU will have a chance in his recruitment. Also Sherron has been a great recruiting weapon for Self. I wonder if he would have any interest in joining in some kind of staff role.

It's really something how many final lists KU makes of kids that are never coming to KU.

Um I thought I posted this before but it must not have went through. KU made the cut for Naz Reid. St Johns did not. Seton Hall still on his list. Feels like Kentucky IF they offer.

@BeddieKU23

DoubleDD said:

I just can't believe Coach and KU got the best of Durant. Man dude can just flat out play.

Rick Barnes + only one year in college. If Durant had stayed, he probably would have won the B12.

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I saw Corphew was joining in 2018.

Moretti looks like a solid pickup and looks like he'll be somewhere in the Top 200 players.

Going to be interesting to see how they mesh 9 new players in

Yep, big learning curve.

I have Moretti around Svi level but obviously he is a guard/smaller. So, he should be a good multi-year contributor.

TTU landed one time brief KU target and non-qualifer (that year) Deshawn Corprew as well as stud Italian PG Davide Moretti. UConn and Indiana were sniffing around Moretti. Kid can hoop. TTU might be pretty interesting this year after all.

TCU had a JUCO player committed to them "opt to turn pro". I believe that solves their scholarship situation

Click bait from Matt Norlander no way.

elpoyo said:

BShark said:

@elpoyo was probably saying Frank sucks before last year, just something to keep in mind.

nah..i was actually saying wiggins sucks!! hate that guy. wouldn't even show up to the roundball classic..he doesn't want jack$hit to do with KU. was always about himself and $$$$ and to top it off, his bro ain't even coming here. Boy, he worked self good.

I think you are deeply confused. Andrew Wiggins has two older brothers. Mitchell JR and Nick. Neither of which were comparable as a prospect to Andrew. Nick is currently in the NBL and Mitch JR played at a CC and then Southeastern University in Lakeside, FL. At least get your facts straight.

QB is by far the most important position at any level. They can help make up for other deficiencies. Great oline and QB and well, your RB and WRs almost don't even matter.

@elpoyo was probably saying Frank sucks before last year, just something to keep in mind.