I bet there is a Yankees game on tonight. :peace:
BShark
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Eh, I'm just having fun with my compatriot @jayballer54 He knows it's all in good fun, I think.
Defense was definitely an issue last year @KUSTEVE
Have you tried becoming a UK or Duke basketball fan, I heard they are taking applications. Alabama football too. :pen_ballpoint: :notepad_spiral:
Illinois fans think it's done for Illinois.
Yankees fan talking about the bandwagon. :joy:
If he is okay with being a Travis Releford type, then my stance changes drastically.
Yankees fan? Get out. :package:
Idk, when the Royals aren't good I basically just tune out MLB.
I feel ya though, it's a pretty dead sports time coming up if you don't like baseball. Just try some other hobbies until you find something you enjoy. :thumbsup:
Fair number of KU connections with WKU. I wish him a successful season. Also WKU might actually be pretty good.
KUSTEVE said:
One of his best teams. very inexperienced front line prevents me from deeming them the best ever, but we'll see. Certainly one of the most talented, and athletic teams we've had in a while.
Yep. Back court will be very good again, but we really don't know anything about the front court.
Yeah I like 247 for some things, but they can be a bit silly with all the various profiles for a player. CBB reference is my go to for stats.
Have you tried picking up knitting? :wink:
Draymond Green, KD, Steph and Klay aren't walking through that door. :astonished:
Where are you getting that? CBB reference has him having played 32 games last year. 1 conference game in his injured year and all 18 conference games last year.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kj-lawson-1.html ↗
ESPN has the same stats.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/3907786/kj-lawson ↗
That's totally fair. That Memphis team was terrible so Dedric and KJ both had to take a ton of shots. KJ had some 20+ shot games including one where he went 5-23. I can't imagine he will have a 20 shot game for KU ever. Being on a more talented roster is definitely a caveat I included in my first post talking about this. The hope is that he can be a much more efficient player with more talent around him. It was really remarkable that Dedric was quite efficient and with what I've seen of Dedric the sky is the limit for him at KU.
Agree about what I've seen of his defense. Outside of Josh he probably would have been the best defensive wing on KU last year and we know Self values defense.
Self's comments and buzz around the program will be key. The buzz was amazingly positive for Malik, like I mentioned before I don't remember that much hype about a player sitting out since BMac.
40% shooter. 32% trey ball. Also look at his usage and ortg. All very scary. Or more importantly just watch Memphis games.
Also I don't think it's fair to compare him to Whitman as they are completely different players based on position. Or other previous AAC roty winners Daniel Hamilton or Austin Nichols for that matter...
Anyway, positions have been noted. We will revisit this next season.
mayjay said:
@BShark How do players win conference rookie of the year awards like KJ did if they aren't any good?
Bad league. Also who was his competition for the award? That really is a serious question too, I have no idea about other FR in the AAC last season.
Watch some Memphis games (or don't because they were pretty bad, although Dedric is damn good), look at his numbers. It all adds up to not very good, for now, but players improve.
Who knows, better talent around him, a year to hone his skills and maybe he gets more minutes than I'm thinking he will. He might end up being high major D1 good, he might not be, I just said I'm not sold on it based on what I've seen. Contrast with Newman and Moore who I think will be very good.
Statmachine said:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2016/aug/01/ku-lands-commitment-4-star-dallas-pg-marcus-garret/ ↗
He averaged almost a triple double with 17pts 10assists and 8boards. He will be a secondary ball handler/second pg. I have watched him play and he is def a tall PG.
I know plenty about Garrett. Lots of kids think they are a PG. Not sure he translates to playing the position at the high D1 level. Fortunately he will have time to develop w/o being thrown into the fire.
I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again though. I was very wrong about Bragg for example.
Also to note I am excited about Garrett as a player/prospect and think he will be vg in years 2+ (hopefully +) I just don't think he ever mans the point for KU. The season after next would likely be his only chance to anyway, with Jacobs and likely more coming in 19-20.
I think the staff sees Garrett as a wing.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I just think he would be the most likely candidate. I also think he is the best player out of all those wings so I see your point. He might just go pro anyway.
@Statmachine you just listed a lot of wings except for Moore. Need GUARDS. Edit: Also I'm not sold on KJ Lawson or Cunliffe being any good. We will see...
If we are trotting out Moore, Garrett, Lawson, Cunliffe, Vick then ball handling would be a major issue and Moore would need to play as many minutes as possible. Adding a couple more guards if possible greatly relieves that pressure. Nudge Vick into the draft and get 2/3 Dotson, Grimes, Carey. Sounds perfect to me but closing the deal is another story.
Edit again: Recent comments from recruiting articles indicate that KU wants a 2 PG type look if possible and that Grimes is absolute top priority.
@BeddieKU23 0 centers if Doke goes, I know it's a dying position but still. And yeah that's a lot of variance with 3-7 slots. My guess on the flex slots: Doke, Preston, Vick and Newman. I'd lean towards Newman being gone for sure though.
@jayballer54 Yeah Steere would be a great depth and develop addition.
Statmachine said:
KU's biggest need "BIGS". We are pretty much all set for 2018 in the guard department.
Eh, losing three guards minimum if you count Svi as a guard. I agree though, bigs are needed. Problem is KU isn't well positioned for any of the 2018 top post players. Wonder if any of the 19 targets are reclassification possibilities.
Also I don't think Doke is as big of a party animal. That should help too.
@Kcmatt7 Otherwise known as the Travis Releford shooting plan. But yeah Graham shot the most by far and Svi shot around the same number of attempts on a lot less minutes. Frank played extremely smart basketball last season.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Jaime Lewis off the board to NC St
A lot of early commits for this class. Not sure how involved KU was here after the visit. Felt like a back-up plan.
Yeah, agreed.
praying KU can land anything early. I know, that sounds really funny with how things have gone over the last few years
Well last year KU did target some kids that decided early pretty hard, just missed on a lot. Looks like Grimes and Dotson could be early decisions, hoping for the best there.
BeddieKU23 said:
Svi and Vick will play a lot, again.
Yep. Garrett is feeling like the odd man out here. "I wish we would have played Garrett more" - Bill Self in the future
BeddieKU23 said:
Jaime Lewis off the board to NC St
A lot of early commits for this class. Not sure how involved KU was here after the visit. Felt like a back-up plan.
BeddieKU23 said:
Cal gets free recruiting at Bol Bol, Quickley etc. Just about solidifies them ending up with UK
lol, so surprising
Oh and best of luck to Moore making the team.
Yeah playing time was the issue and nothing has changed. Unless he could handle the ball at the d1 level he doesn't have a real path to pt at KU any time soon.
JhwkrRedLegs said:
@elpoyo I'm sure Hudy tried everything with Lucas. But some kids are fast-twitch athletes, and some are not. At this point, simply judge 6'10 Lucas like any pro-scout would judge him, and thats the point I'm making. Cant make someone explosive if they werent to begin with.
Lucas' job in Self's scheme was to box out, set screens, seal off his man, and get garbage put-backs, lob dunks, and hit FTs. He can be productive (in college), but in a blue collar way. Everytime he tried to push the offensive scoring envelope, he became very unreliable. Yet another description would be that he had the offensive mentality, but not the physical ability or scoring touch.
Yep. Lucas, god bless him, did all he could to maximize himself. He was limited however by his athleticism and skill level.
mayjay said:
@BShark
Chalmers: "Nobody--no one guy is bigger than the program. That's the mindset you've gotta have coming here."Listening, newbies and future recruits?
Yeah Mario is a boss. Really liked that he was impressed with Newman.
Graham/Newman/Doke is a really, really salty trio. I'm excited about this team.
Game knows game.
Weird timing. Also, OU is a bit big for their britches.
Part of it is poor coaching too. But yeah if Coleman is a stud that changes everything.
Statmachine said:
Charlie More I think?
Correct.
Might just have a pretty great multi-year player in Moore.
Ugh, let's not get this political.
But elpoyo IS a blatant troll. He doesn't even actually make arguments or discuss, he simply posts a comment made to incite and leaves. Of course when anyone responds to him he gets what he wants, so I've just been ignoring him.
You could give him a meaningful and thought out answer, but he's not going to read it so what's the point?
BeddieKU23 said:
A lot of CB's flowing in for Brandon Williams to Arizona which is good for KU on multiple fronts (Grimes, Dotson).
Edit: He's deciding this week which is why
Yep, Arizona lock but definitely good for KU if he doesn't do anything crazy and go to another Pac school or something.
Going to need 2 PG/CG for sure. Don't think we will see much in the way of wing commits though.
Unless KU pulls Bagley, Dedric Lawson is starting. Actually, they would probably both start.
If Doke and Preston return along with Dedric being there. Fuhhhhhgedddddaboutit.
BeddieKU23 said:
Fully agree about Dotson, one of my favorite players in the class. KU has a great chance with him, Grimes & Carey. There's little chance all 3 end up at KU but I don't think we can go wrong getting any combination of the 2.
I just worry that Charlie Moore scares one of them away when these guys look at who's in their way for playing time.
Dotson is the true point guard of the 3 and I think we would get at least 3 years out of him. I see him as a day 1 starter if he comes here.
With Grimes your getting a big guard with point guard skills. He's most likely a 2 year player max, maybe even a OAD. Definite starter.
With Carey your getting scoring guard with point guard skills. Maybe his development takes a little longer, has a similar season that Devonte or Frank had as a freshman. Stunned he's ranked in the 80's still.
The staff better close on at least one of these.
Yeah I don't think all three is possible due to Moore. All of them (rightfully) want to play. I'd say it's probably one or the other with Dotson and Grimes, while Carey ends up a Jayhawk too. Now is it first to commit or does Grimes have preference? Only the staff knows that answer.
And yes Carey's ranking is a joke at this point. Staff should, and probably would, take his commitment today.
I'm looking at these rosters, and I'm not sure who is even good besides KU. Should be interesting!
Yep. You can't hit a home run if you don't swing or bunt (Watson).
Kcmatt7 said:
@kjayhawks I'm not sure Mahomes was a great pick either, but I'm at least glad to see us try to get a QB with more upside than Smith. I think a year of grooming by Andy will do wonders for him. I mean, honestly, has Reid ever actually missed on a QB? He made Folk look like a stud. Kevin Colb look like the next great QB. He won 5 games in a row after bringing Jeff Garcia back from the dead.
I mean, the guy is a freak when it comes to the QB position. And he hasn't had an arm talent like Mahomes since McNabb.
mayjay said:
@kjayhawks Should have drafted Watson! They need that "Win" attitude.
No thanks. While I'm not sure on Mahomes either way and think he needs good coaching, I don't think Watson will amount to much at all in the NFL. I was very glad the Chiefs didn't go for Watson.
@BeddieKU23 Rafus will probably end up at a JUCO.