Room and board is free at least

Poor silvio

DCHawker said:

@BeddieKU23 No lift, but nose for the ball - moves to rebounds - in stark contrast to Doke...

Instinct as well, its elite

Eric-san said:

Ball looked out on MSU

It was

So dedric has 5 boards already

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Bad play by Dotson led to a wide-open 3.

He will learn. Lots of jitters

Grimes is legit

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Worst player on team

Who what?

Goins

Worst player on team

Lawson is a rebounding magnet

Grimes

We gave the wrong guy the ball

Langford looks like he has 3 kids and a full time job

whosaysbilldontplaythefreshman

QQQQ

BShark said:

Vitale = instant mute

Under 1 minute before he talks about duke during ku game lol

It's like we have two frans

Eric-san said:

Did he really pick Kstate to go to the Final Four this season?

Yes he drinks

Someone tell the team Greenberg picked MSU. Hes only picked against KU 50 games straight

Its normal for Bilas and Greenberg to be off their rocker

Espn has spent about 3 minutes talking about the ku game and half to talk about the trial

Woodrow said:

Dotson and Grimes are starting

No surprise! Great news

Kcmatt7 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@Kcmatt7

UCLA also lost Tyger Campbell, expected point guard contributer, Shareef O'Neil a top 50 recruit and Cody Riley is out a while with a jaw issue. So that's 3 guys that would play who are not suiting up for them tonight. I agree that they probably just win on athletic ability but man that line looks tempting

I still think they should overwhelm

I agree. It does look like the line is taking into account injuries

Florida I think beats FSU as I believe FSU's best player is out Phil Cofer. I would side with the gators who look like they have some experience back and tons of depth

@Kcmatt7

UCLA also lost Tyger Campbell, expected point guard contributer, Shareef O'Neil a top 50 recruit and Cody Riley is out a while with a jaw issue. So that's 3 guys that would play who are not suiting up for them tonight. I agree that they probably just win on athletic ability but man that line looks tempting

BShark said:

FWIW, line is moving more in favor of KU. Opened at -5.5, bumped to -6.5 currently...

Someone just posted on the Phog, the line is down to 4

@HighEliteMajor

I agree about the concerns with Garrett on offense. I don't think he put that to rest in the exhibitions either. His shot still looks ugly and defenses will not hesitate to play off him.

I want to see Marcus aggressive with the ball. He shot the ball well inside the arc last season and I hope they focus on getting him in situations where he can get to the hoop.

This year we are going to score differently and that's one of Self's biggest areas to work on this season. Fitting the offense to the personnel and getting the right people on the floor. I don't want to write him off just yet without seeing how real action goes with him in the lineup. He has value in a lot of other area's and Self seems to trust him so he'll likely play, a lot. We'll find out in 8 hours

@HighEliteMajor

Is Garrett officially named the starter?

Could be for defensive purposes and sending a message to his freshman.

But agree the minutes distribution will be the most important part here

We must be the most boring #1 preseason team ever. You have to scroll down at least 30 articles to find any mention of KU.

@jayballer73

Leverage, especially if KU or Arizona is the school he wants to to go. They can back out if something happens to the schools/coaches

Kcmatt7 said:

Jordan Hamilton, Avery Bradley, Corey Joseph, Tristian Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Damion James, DJ Augustine, etc.

Nike tried to gift the man a NC.

At least a dozen Top 50 recruits sent his way between 2006-2010. Add in a few guys ranked right at 100 who panned out, and Rick Barnes still didn't get a single of those absolutely stacked teams to a FF. TJ Ford carried him to his one and only. No wonder Nike soured on him and cut him off in 2013. Ten solid years of players gift wrapped and nothing to show for it.

Nike still pumping kids to them as we've talked about. Allen/Bamba the most recent outliers there

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Talking to MSU fans, they seem to have absolutely no confidence in their backcourt outside of Cassius Winston. They think their advantage will be in the frontcourt.

Nick Ward vs Doke honestly feels like a wash to me. Their stat-lines from last season are pretty much identical and Doke is 2 or 3 inches taller and 30-40 pounds larger. Nick Ward doesn't shoot 3's. Neither does Xavier Tillman, who is 6'8, 245.

Dedric is going to have a huge matchup advantage over Goins or Tillman (whichever one starts).

The matchup that scares me the most is Winston vs whoever KU throws at him. I feel like it would be worth starting Marcus Garrett at the point in this game just to put some size and experience on Winston.

Ward is skilled around the basket though and knows how to use his huge body for positioning etc. Expect Doke in foul trouble, its what he does. This is a matchup we'd kill to have De Sousa eligible. Oh well.

Their starting backcourt is fine. Winston & Langford are all Big-10 quality but your right outside of them its unknowns. Usually Izzo has something that's been developing in the program that he can use but he doesn't this year so some freshman will have to play at times. Izzo brought in a lot of talented development types so this is a good year to catch them when they are rebuilding some.

Dedric has an advantage against any team/any player in the country. I don't expect that changes. Cheat code good.

I'm expecting a low scoring/sloppy first game. I think mid-2nd half we get a little bit of separation and hold on

So I would expect Michigan St has around an 9 man rotation. I haven't dived into their exhibitions or seen what they expect starts/plays so I'm going by memory.

Starting 5:

PG- Winston Jr

SG- McQuaid, Sr

SF- Langford, Jr

PF- Tillman, So

C- Ward, Jr

Rotation, Goins, Sr PF, Bingham Jr, FR, PF/C, Loyer, FR, PG, Brown/Henry, FR/FR, SF's.

Outside of Goins they will have freshman in the rotation off the bench. Bingham has a lot of upside but is likely to be flashes for a while. Loyer will be a solid PG. KU has a big advantage if we can get any of their starters in foul trouble and they have to rely on different combinations against us. I expect a majority of the offense for Michigan St to revolve around Ward then Winston/Langford. KU just has to contain them from having 50+ as a trio and we'll be in good shape

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

No worries. Coach Self will pull a rabbit from the hat...he always does.:smile:

We'll see this is a different landscape he's having to navigate. Good thing recruits have short memories. We need other schools to be in the cross-hairs by springtime

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 It's basically all McQuaid does well. Not a rebounder, not a guy that you ask to make plays and is maybe average on defense.

Yup, he's exactly as advertised. He's a just a pain in the butt for KU. I know we read scouting report but literally guys should know don't even leave him he's not going anywhere

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.

Good thing real games start to distract

Yep. And to be fair, next year should still be a pretty good team. Self will add some guys plus lots of solid returning players.

Oh I'm certain we'll have a quality team. I'm just prepared to whiff on every recruit until the spring time when KU is out of the news cycle

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Or Winston for that matter.

I'd assume since he's the PG we'll guard him. But McQuaid has one job and he always does it well against KU

BShark said:

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Guy knows where all the bodies are buried. Exhibit A of the underlings of College Basketball

Key to the game: Do not ever, ever, leave #20 open. NO help D

BShark said:

Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.

Good thing real games start to distract

Updated original post.

JRE picked Nova so he's off the board.

Removed Wiseman, Cockburn, Lawson & Achiuwa from consideration. Clear picture on those.

3 prospects remain on the board at the moment. No clear momentum with any right now

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

ESPN has 3 Hawks listed in the Top 60 for the draft.

Quentin Grimes #6

Dedric Lawson #36

Udoka Azubuike # 57

**Devon Dotson #51 overall prospect but not listed in either round. Definitely one to monitor as the season goes on..

Vick & Silvio - Not in Top 100 or in Top 20 of their position groups.

Fully expecting Dotson to be back.

I hope so, he's a sneaky wild card for the draft I think at the moment. Will let the season play out before I make any further judgement but if he's the starter and playing well scouts will notice.

ESPN has 3 Hawks listed in the Top 60 for the draft.

Quentin Grimes #6

Dedric Lawson #36

Udoka Azubuike # 57

**Devon Dotson #51 overall prospect but not listed in either round. Definitely one to monitor as the season goes on..

Vick & Silvio - Not in Top 100 or in Top 20 of their position groups.

jayballer73 said:

@BeddieKU23 The article I read he is considering going on a un-official.

If he is going to announce around the 24th of November , I really think ya he make an un-official right now I'm not THAT Concerned.

I think if I was Zeke I would be saying if you was interested - I mean really interested- -WHY NOW - why didn't you show that interest earlier? - -I don't think he will land at UNC. - -Nope , after he announces his final five after he has made his final 5 visits?

I mean I know ya it's happened before with players - -I'm just not feeling it with UNC --ROOK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

We'll see in 3 weeks or so. I don't think the 24th has been set in stone either especially if they plan to pay their own dime to get to UNC. This seems like the first step to momentum building in that direction imo

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

To ESPN, Zion is this year’s version of Trae Young. They will build him up and then spit him out.

Yup and they won't even build up the best player on Duke's team.

Oh well, I think Zion is used to it though, as opposed to Young who didn't have the personality or brand to handle all that comes with daily media coverage.

5 1/2 seems like a lot and I don't think its very accurate

Hopefully we show up with effort, toughness and make shots. Everything else will work itself out

Do you think ESPN roles out a Zion tracker in game 1? Or wait a few?

Maybe a dunk tracker?

Does he have his own channel yet? Reality TV show on Facebook?

KJ will be fine. Once he settles and gets used to playing again look out.

But also sounds like we don't have a prayer here either if he's looking around after taking 5 visits. Must not have gotten the deal they were looking for

BShark said:

UNC getting involved with Nnaji. :toilet:

jeez. He can't official there though