Signed
Low 4 STAR Combo Guard Issac "Mackey" McBride
Low 4 STAR SG/SF Christian Braun
Offers have Visited
5 STAR PF Matthew Hurt
5 STAR PF Precious Achiuwa
4 STAR SG/SF Cassius Stanley
Offers, haven't visited Campus
4 STAR Combo Forward Tristan Enaruna
4 STAR Combo Guard Harlond Beverly
@BeddieKU23 - thanks for the work you put in here!
Great breakdown. :thumbsup:
Also, maybe something to denote that McBride and Braun are a different tier of recruit than Stanley and Nnaji. Putting them all at 4 is technically correct but maybe like high and low 4.
I can't read about this without wondering how the current trial and its outcome will affect 2019 recruiting . Will the payoffs be out in the open? Who will be the highest bidder?
I don't see how this genie goes back in the bottle.
Great work. It really makes it easier for those of us that do not have the time to follow all recruits to get a nice view of the prospects KU is following. Much appreciated.
Update: Precious Achiuwa changed schools and was a surprise visitor at Memphis for their Late Night festivities. Andrew Slater put in a Crystal Ball pick for Memphis.
@BeddieKU23 Penny is definitely making waves. Time will tell if he can coach or not.
He may very well put together something of a fab 5...
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Penny is definitely making waves. Time will tell if he can coach or not.
Got lucky with a veteran team this season.
Update: Matthew Hurt canceled plans to attend Big Blue Madness. Reports of him going were false. Still plans to visit them at some point
Update: Zeke Nnaji: Wants to be a OAD according to quoted article
Nnaji moving toward decision
Four-star power forward Zeke Nnaji is someone who has had a busy process, but now he is finishing things with a kick as he is set to take five official visits in five weeks.
The two schools that seemingly had the best chance going into the visits, Arizona and Kansas, are also the schools he is visiting first.
This creates a scenario where it is at least possible that Nnaji could commit after this weekend. Since Nnaji visited Kansas this past weekend, and is visiting Arizona this weekend, that has to at least be considered a possibility.
It seems as though it is a fairly remote possibility since the Nnaji family has been all about process, and the process is to take five visits and then decide in November.
Because the circle around Nnaji is so tight, getting concrete information isn’t easy, but there is no doubt Arizona and Kansas are schools he is very high on. Both head coaches at those schools have done a good job of building a relationship, and each seems to provide Nnaji with what he is looking for.
Nnaji is absolutely focused on being in school for one year, so the path presented to him and his father will be important in that regard.
I think they are going to be in for a rude awakening. He is plenty athletic enough to be a OAD. But he is like really bad at basketball lol. He has no left. His shooting form has a little hitch to it and his elbow is a little funky. He doesn't look to have good enough post moves to score at the college level.
He has about a 5% chance to be a OAD imo. And that is if he works his ass off.
Kcmatt7 said:
I think they are going to be in for a rude awakening. He is plenty athletic enough to be a OAD. But he is like really bad at basketball lol. He has no left. His shooting form has a little hitch to it and his elbow is a little funky. He doesn't look to have good enough post moves to score at the college level.
He has about a 5% chance to be a OAD imo. And that is if he works his ass off.
Yeah I found the comments confusing. Nnaji is definitely a NBA talent down the road, I'm just surprised they see it so soon. He is a talent that's improved a ton in the last year. They must be banking on him continuing to improve at a rapid rate..
I mean what kid doesn’t want to be OAD??
Much less interested in Nnaji if he and his dad think he is OAD. Not very realistic, imo.
Woodrow said:
I mean what kid doesn’t want to be OAD??
Issac McBride, David McCormack, Mitch Lightfoot, Ochai Agbaji.
But I get your point lol.
Zeke and JRE are both visiting Arizona this weekend. I believe this is JRE last visit.
Correct.
Woodrow said:
I mean what kid doesn’t want to be OAD??
The sad truth is that prospects have now become pretty much hired guns and they do not even hide that fact. Universities were originally the place where kids went to get a college degree and played sports on the side, then it was the place they went to prepare for a potential career in the NBA while getting a degree and now it is the place where they go for one year to get high end training and exposure with no intention whatsoever to get a degree.
I have said it before that every top 100 prospect believes he can play in the NBA, every to 30 prospect believes he ca be a star and every top 5 player believes he will be the next Jordan, Bird, Johnson or James and in reality only a tiny fraction makes it to the league, a smaller number becomes starters and maybe one or two of every class becomes a star...really long odds. Some of the old timers on the board will remember a similar situation when boxing was big in the 60s and 70s and every kid saw himself as the next world champion millionaire and the result were similar with only a few making it big and now boxing is on its way out with only a few big fights and a shrinking audience having been replace by the even more brutal MMA.
Getting off the high horse and stop speechifying for the day...:smile:
Good summary ↗ of KU targets.
Cole Anthony to cut his list. I’d be surprised if KU is on it. Guessing UNC, Oregon, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgetown. I’d be surprised if he went anywhere but Carolina.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Cole Anthony to cut his list. I’d be surprised if KU is on it. Guessing UNC, Oregon, Notre Dame, Pitt, Georgetown. I’d be surprised if he went anywhere but Carolina.
Makes sense. Doesn't seem like KU made a big play for him (not that they would have got him if that happened) but obviously KU took a couple developmental guys and put their eggs in the Stanley basket for elite guard talent.
Not sure KU was really ever in it.
Speaking of which, Anthony Walker is down to Miami, Pitt, Illinois and BC.
Miami is the favorite, right?
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/rivals-roundtable--140 ↗
Little blurb in here on JRE and how Dan McDonald believes they have made a big run at him.
Villanova for anyone wondering. JRE's recruitment is feeling more and more like one where he and his family don't put anything out there so people just throw shit at the wall.
Now that JRE is done with visits has anyone heard on a decision timetable ? I think most believe it will be in the early signing period which is next month I believe so hopefully that’s still the case. I just haven’t read a whole lot afte his past visit.
I am interested / concerned too see if this FBI case will affect Self and his ability to get high level recruits. I think JRE’s decision will be very telling.
If JRE was/is expecting any type of pay out for selecting a school that is probably not going to happen with KU now, at least not in the current environment where KU need to stay pristine clean. If the jury on the FBI trial comes back quickly with a not guilty verdict things might change.
Sounds like it depends on what UNC/Nike is offering. If it’s a level playing field KU has a great chance if not...
JayHawkFanToo said:
If JRE was/is expecting any type of pay out for selecting a school that is probably not going to happen with KU now, at least not in the current environment where KU need to stay pristine clean. If the jury on the FBI trial comes back quickly with a not guilty verdict things might change.
Gassnola isn't the only Adidas runner out there (I know this for a fact), he's just the one that was caught. Given the info out there regarding him, its extremely sloppy and disappointing KU coaches were in contact with him in any manner.
Regarding JRE.. I assume this one is mostly a clean recruitment given his ties to his two favorites KU/UNC. He doesn't need money to pick KU, a school he's visited a good amount and where his family is within driving distance. Now if this is about $ driving his recruitment Nike certainly would have an advantage right now
from UNC's site in regards to JRE. They got just a quick blurb from his mother
“We are processing everything now,” his mother, Katie Robinson said, “and he will decide in the next few weeks.”
Also from the update.
Over the last few weeks, that information has changed. Now, as you know from previous scoops and recruitments, often times when inside information isn’t readily accessible, sometimes it’s manufactured. However, the people we’ve heard this from are independent of one another and trustworthy.
Villanova, we’ve heard, is a school not to be discounted. Sources said something “clicked” between the defending champs and Robinson-Earl during his official visit. We’re not saying he’s committing to Villanova, but it doesn’t seem to be just Kansas and UNC as we thought for so long. In fact, if you asked 10 people where Robinson-Earl is going, I bet you’d get up to four different schools as answers (Kansas, Villanova, Arizona, and UNC).
As you know, Roy Williams will recruit Robinson-Earl until he’s made a college decision. To that end, he and assistants Brad Frederick and Hubert Davis were in Bradenton, Fla. on Tuesday checking in on 2019 UNC commit Armando Bacot, 2020 target Jaden Springer, and Robinson-Earl.
Maybe Jay Wright's money clicked. :thinking:
Man that would be a kick in the gut to miss on him.
The FBI investigation is certainly not helping the brand image.
Woodrow said:
Man that would be a kick in the gut to miss on him.
imo has been a possibility since the summer
BeddieKU23 said:
Woodrow said:
Man that would be a kick in the gut to miss on him.
imo has been a possibility since the summer
Agree. He has always said his recruitment is open and was annoyed by the fact that people were saying it was not.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Woodrow said:
Man that would be a kick in the gut to miss on him.
imo has been a possibility since the summer
Agree. He has always said his recruitment is open and was annoyed by the fact that people were saying it was not.
That has always stuck with me as well.
JRE has definitely tried his best to deflect any label placed on him. We'll find out in a few weeks whether it was just part of crootin' or real noise
Aidin Igiehon to Louisville as expected. Good lord, they have a MONSTER class.
BShark said:
Aidin Igiehon to Louisville as expected. Good lord, they have a MONSTER class.
If you rebuild Louisville, they will come LOL.
@BeddieKU23 Exhibit A of why I just can't be worried about KU. They threw Louisville under the bus and Pitino was a guy with a really bad history and cheated while on probation so of course he was fired. Now it's just like nothing happened.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Exhibit A of why I just can't be worried about KU. They threw Louisville under the bus and Pitino was a guy with a really bad history and cheated while on probation so of course he was fired. Now it's just like nothing happened.
Yeah Louisville is too big to fail. We'll be fine and biz will be back to norm as time passes
Ummm so I actually think Nova is the bigger threat than UNC for JRE now. Still think KU is the most likely destination but it’s uncomfortably uncertain.
@BeddieKU23 It's just crazy the way their recruiting has gone this season. Just landed another very solid player. - - look how things got handed to them and yet it seems if anything their class has only improved. - - Monster class. - heard on an interview about recruiting in cases like this with the NCAA they talked about actually how these kids 17-18 yr olds actually really don't even think about these kinds of situations that much. - -Makes me feel somewhat better about our recruiting.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Ummm so I actually think Nova is the bigger threat than UNC for JRE now. Still think KU is the most likely destination but it’s uncomfortably uncertain.
seen this morning off 247 that actually Villanova just gained their first pick for JRE - - - - -I don't like it. - heard his visit with Villanova they REALLY hit it off. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
There's opportunity at Louisville too, they had to get a monster class because the team has 7 scholarship players after this season if no one leaves. Its definitely clear players see things differently then fans. I'm sure players think the worst of it is behind them with a new regime in place
I know I'm not the only one that's been saying JRE to KU was a pipedream. Certainly momentum is going that way
@BeddieKU23 For me even though I maybe haven't felt as comfortable especially lately about JRE to KU - - -I have never thought it was a pipedream to think he was Coming to KU. - I've felt pretty dam good about him coming here.Maybe don't feel as good about him coming now - -although I still feel he DOES come yet to say JRE coming to KU was a pipe dream? - -can't really see why you or anyone thinking JRE coming to KU would be a pipe dream - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Maybe pipedream wasn't the right word. I'll switch to unlikely, that's been my thought for months. We'll find out soon enough
@BeddieKU23 being the leader isn’t a pipe dream. I’m thinking like 80% chance to like 60% now.
It won't shock me if there is a one year swoon in recruiting due to the crapstorm. Hopefully not...
Still more likely than not we get Hurt and JRE. Some are more pessimistic than I but if this all anyone has on KU it’s going to be a non-factor.
FarmerJayhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 being the leader isn’t a pipe dream. I’m thinking like 80% chance to like 60% now.
I agree with you the only thing is wouldn't it be 80/20 now instead of 80/60?
As in it was 80% KU, 20% somewhere else to now it's 60% KU, 40% somewhere else.
just checked 247 sports. - -It shows 90 % KU 10 % Villanova , there has been 10 predictions 9- -for KU - -1 for Villanova
@jayballer73 Farmer was talking about his own opinion, not the cb.
On the bright side we were wondering if KU had room for all the perceived 2020 leans and that probably won't be an issue now. :joy:
5* Top 25 player Oscar Tshiebwe just committed to West Virginia. Big time get for Huggy Bear.
Looks like nova is getting more movement @jerrymeyer247 predicts JRE TO THEM
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
Looks like nova is getting more movement @jerrymeyer247 predicts JRE TO THEM
Gross. Not only are they kicking our ass on he court they are going to come in and get a kid that KU has no excuse to lose. This one will hurt if it happens.
Woodrow said:
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
Looks like nova is getting more movement @jerrymeyer247 predicts JRE TO THEM
Gross. Not only are they kicking our ass on he court they are going to come in and get a kid that KU has no excuse to lose. This one will hurt if it happens.
Yep. Sucks.
Have to think the current situation is having an impact in recruiting.
@BShark I think for sure it is having an impact - - JRE is not a OAD and I think he is thinking about any punishment that might be headed our way - -which contrary to what seem to think - -I can see it coming If this happens which is quite likely I don't think he will be the only one we lose
I am still not sure there will be major infractions, but it will definitely impact recruiting. I'm not sure where KU is going to go for post players now. Might need Mitch next season.
@jayballer73 Mitch...
Brb pouring some scotch.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark I would think KJ and Mac would be our starting frontline. We'll have Dotson, Garrett, Charlie, Agbaji, Braun in the back court, with Mac, KJ, and Lightfoot up front. Unless KJ goes pro.
prepares sky is falling material
Yeah, that's very not good. That's a lose in the round of 32 type of roster unfortunately. Probably doesn't win the league either with how good ISU, TCU and Texas will be. It's basically this year's roster minus the best 4-5 guys. Braun being the 5th guard is terrifying and Charlie Moore is Naadir Tharpe 2.0. That post line-up is already falling off a cliff from this year. If KJ did leave as well, it would be a disaster.
Best to enjoy this year.
KUSTEVE said:
MacBryde
And I thought I was drunk. Oh wait I am.
Anyway yeah, this team could definitely win a national title. Even without Silvio, though Silvio would obviously help. I have very high hopes. Best roster Self has had since those 2010 and 2011 teams.
Also Self will add some guys, I just have no idea who they will be. Self isn't going into next season with Dave, Mitch and a combo forward as the only post guys.
Zeke
At this time, the only thing that can possibly hurt KU is the $2,500 sent Silvio and the more likely penalty would be a 2-3 game suspension for Silvio. No way they can trace anything on Preston to KU because there is plenty of evidence that KU did not know what had transpired with his mom and his mom actively coached Billy on how to lie and keep KU in the dark. Same thing with Zion. The fact that he did not end up at KU indicates he did not get money from KU or Adidas and now Duke is the program with the big issue; no way Zion/family suddenly decide to forgo the money and go to Duke without money being involved, no way, no how, no ma’am.
@JayHawkFanToo I'm talking about the optics of the situation hurting KU's recruiting not any actual sanctions.
Worst (realistic) scenario: a lineup of Moore, Garrett, K.J., Zeke, McCormack is a top 10 team that’ll win the conference.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Worst (realistic) scenario: a lineup of Moore, Garrett, K.J., Zeke, McCormack is a top 10 team that’ll win the conference.
I like that you feel this strongly about landing Zeke. :eyes:
I really hope Dotson is back though.
@JayHawkFanToo Well if it wasn't the situation, Self got his ass kicked by Jay Wright for JRE. It feels like it was a factor though.
@BShark yeah if we whiff on JRE I fully expect to land Zeke. This is totally going to sound like “I didn’t want JRE anyway I’m a Kentucky fan” but Zeke is the better long term prospect. Personally I’d rather have JRE for next year but Zeke may be the better player long term.
Very interesting take that makes a lot of sense.👍
@JayHawkFanToo JRE will announce before that game is played.
@FarmerJayhawk Actually I agree with you. Zeke has enormous potential. I was hoping he would be a multi-year guy but it sounded like his dad was saying the plan is OAD. JRE is definitely a really good basketball player right now, but his long term and star potential are kinda meh. He reminds me of Perry in that respect. Better leaper than Perry for sure though.
@JayHawkFanToo @BShark if Zeke is a OAD KU had a phenomenal year so I’m A OK there 👍🏻
I'd love to get Zeke regardless of how long he plans to stay at this point, because KU definitely needs help for next year's front court if the team is going to be FF good.
JayHawkFanToo said:
All the prospects know exactly how recruiting works so I don’t believe the current situation will scare them away. Actually, they probably know more about who is getting paid and who is doing the paying than the coaching staffs do.
I have to agree with you to a point anyways - -these guys probably do know how things work BUT the only thing I belive is that when it is a tight race in the recruiting battle that things such as what is going on right now MIGHT be just enough to lure them away from us to another school. Exp - - JRE/Villanova/N Carolina.
We all know that these other schools will be and are using this as a major recruiting tool talking really negative about us with this- -we have seen it happen. All you have to do is look at the Langford recruitment - -which took a turn for the karma route with daddy talking his shit and - - Surprise look who's name gets brought up even in the slightest of ways. Daddy making remarks as he did if I remember right, can't remember exactly what he said but he was talking trash on the KU program and then BAM - -just afraid when it's a tight call things like this are not good - that's why I believe it very well could cause them to go the other way. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BShark I agree JRE is a very good player for sure and really want him BUT I just never really considered him as a OAD - - do you believe that he is? - -maybe I'm missing something. I have looked at him as probably 2 even possibly 3 but more like 2.
I for sure would be just as happy with Zeke.- -- -In all seriousness if Coach could only see talent that is right under his nose he would have a STAR studded player on his roster. - -All he has to do is call me - I think I have a couple of years of eligibility left to use. - I would ROCK the house roflmao -- rock chalk all day long baby
@jayballer73 Definitely not saying that. I did say Zeke's dad has mentioned Zeke as a OAD. JRE is a 3-4 year guy for sure.
May I opine (and I'll admit, I am a glass 3/4 full kinda guy)? How 'bout a recruiting class that features Zeke, Chandler Lawson, Issac McBride and Christian Braun, along with another top 50 big man? I'll take that, along with Dedric and KJ both returning to play in Allen with their brother for one year..... I don't think that we'll get any probation, the story is TOO BIG, concerns all of college basketball, and even football.
Swoosh rumors with JRE.
Marco said:
May I opine (and I'll admit, I am a glass 3/4 full kinda guy)? How 'bout a recruiting class that features Zeke, Chandler Lawson, Issac McBride and Christian Braun, along with another top 50 big man? I'll take that, along with Dedric and KJ both returning to play in Allen with their brother for one year..... I don't think that we'll get any probation, the story is TOO BIG, concerns all of college basketball, and even football.
That would be a bit of a disappointing class. Although you didn't specify which Top 50 big man it would be we can all but assume the only target that will be on the board is Hurt after the November signing period.
If the class is Hurt, Zeke, Lawson, McBride & Braun its still a bit disappointing considering the talent they pursued but in time maybe this class would be viewed differently. Hurt is a OAD impact starter. Zeke is a rotation/extremely high upside type.
I'm not a big fan of Chandler but his length (crazy wingspan) and skill set is intriguing to develop. McBride is a future starter imo, Bruan I will wait and see how much he changes his body and how he develops in the system.
I would put Dedric returning at less then 1%. 50/50 with KJ depending on his role and minutes this year.
BShark said:
Swoosh rumors with JRE.
no surprise
BeddieKU23 said:
If the class is Hurt, Zeke, Lawson, McBride & Braun its still a bit disappointing considering the talent they pursued but in time maybe this class would be viewed differently. Hurt is a OAD impact starter. Zeke is a rotation/extremely high upside type.
Considering that every elite program pursues every top prospect, anytime it does not get all the prospects it pursues it would then be considered a failure? The class you mentioned above would not be even a bit of a disappointment and would be a really good class, in my opinion of course.
BeddieKU23 said:
Marco said:
May I opine (and I'll admit, I am a glass 3/4 full kinda guy)? How 'bout a recruiting class that features Zeke, Chandler Lawson, Issac McBride and Christian Braun, along with another top 50 big man? I'll take that, along with Dedric and KJ both returning to play in Allen with their brother for one year..... I don't think that we'll get any probation, the story is TOO BIG, concerns all of college basketball, and even football.
That would be a bit of a disappointing class. Although you didn't specify which Top 50 big man it would be we can all but assume the only target that will be on the board is Hurt after the November signing period.
If the class is Hurt, Zeke, Lawson, McBride & Braun its still a bit disappointing considering the talent they pursued but in time maybe this class would be viewed differently. Hurt is a OAD impact starter. Zeke is a rotation/extremely high upside type.
I'm not a big fan of Chandler but his length (crazy wingspan) and skill set is intriguing to develop. McBride is a future starter imo, Bruan I will wait and see how much he changes his body and how he develops in the system.I would put Dedric returning at less then 1%. 50/50 with KJ depending on his role and minutes this year.
I don't think Hurt is coming here. Self will get some guys, who they are or whether they will be dudes is yet to be determined.
Chandler seems very much still up in the air. Looks like Nike is making a push.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Considering that every elite program pursues every top prospect, anytime it does not get all the prospects it pursues it would then be considered a failure? The class you mentioned above would not be even a bit of a disappointment and would be a really good class, in my opinion of course.
It wouldn't be a big disappointment but it would fall short of expectations for various reasons imo, of course. There's a lot of talent leaving KU after the season and I would like to see the class balanced between elite/early impact players and 4 year types. The above mentioned class wouldn't be a balance of that unless Zeke Nnaji was further along then expected.
Kofi Cockburn schedules an official visit to Uconn. So far its his only official scheduled. Could be a good sign for them
BeddieKU23 said:
Kofi Cockburn schedules an official visit to Uconn. So far its his only official scheduled. Could be a good sign for them
Wondering who is going to be available for KU after missing on guys. Might have to play the decommit/grad transfer game.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Kofi Cockburn schedules an official visit to Uconn. So far its his only official scheduled. Could be a good sign for them
Wondering who is going to be available for KU after missing on guys. Might have to play the decommit/grad transfer game.
Will be fun to see how it plays out. We'll find something good
@BeddieKU23 A couple of "real guys" for the post is my hope. :D
This season KU has a "perfect storm" kind of team with the right combination of experience, talent and depth and it would be difficult to match so, in that respect, it will be a let down regardless of who KU gets.
We'll pull a rabbit out of somewhere. I'm not worried yet. Still have reclass candidates, transfers, and guys will get canned in March and it's like a 2nd wave of recruiting at this point.
We NEED to land at least 2 bigs in this class. But that is the only mandatory thing. I kind of expect us to take a couple more transfers if there are any worth taking.
JayHawkFanToo said:
This season KU has a "perfect storm" kind of team with the right combination of experience, talent and depth and it would be difficult to match so, in that respect, it will be a let down regardless of who KU gets.
In that same light, having a high collection of talent and expected departures after the season should leave KU in a great position for elite/immediate level talent to mix in but we're potentially seeing the "perfect storm" of off the court drama making it difficult to do so
Top recruits know that all programs pay, maybe not directly but indirectly via shoecos, runners or boosters. They also know that if one falls all fall; I would not think they would be too concerned about it. The only thing would be if, because of the recent attention and exposure, Adidas is on a freeze of sorts and not doling out cash like the others.
Really need to push the NCAA to decide quickly on any punishment following what the close of the trial. I think a lot of players would feel better if we just ended up getting a slap on the wrist and that cloud was gone.
Any Stanley news? It's been almost a full month now.
Kcmatt7 said:
Any Stanley news? It's been almost a full month now.
I believe his other officials to UCLA & Oregon are coming up. Otherwise crickets
JayHawkFanToo said:
Top recruits know that all programs pay, maybe not directly but indirectly via shoecos, runners or boosters. They also know that if one falls all fall; I would not think they would be too concerned about it. The only thing would be if, because of the recent attention and exposure, Adidas is on a freeze of sorts and not doling out cash like the others.
Adidas is still out there paying recruits, I'm aware of one recent player that they were able to keep in the fold in the 19 class.
They just used other handlers that won't end up in a future FBI trial. The FBI caught the bad apple, one connected to KU among other schools
KyKy Tandy to Xavier.
BeddieKU23 said:
I've been trying to figure out Xavier's scholarship situation. They should have about 8 guys back next year but have signed 9. Last time I checked that didn't make 13. What is going on?
Lol, they have 5 commits. They are keeping 8 like you said (11 guys and three are grad transfer srs) so they are now full up.
https://bvnwboysbasketball.weebly.com/varsity1.html ↗
In case anyone wants to go see Braun play this year.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I've been trying to figure out Xavier's scholarship situation. They should have about 8 guys back next year but have signed 9. Last time I checked that didn't make 13. What is going on?
Lol, they have 5 commits. They are keeping 8 like you said (11 guys and three are grad transfer srs) so they are now full up.
Looks like I missed Elias King decommitting. Also one of their transfers I didn't realize was a preferred walk-on and the other was eligible to play for them this season. Thx for clearing that up. Makes sense how they are getting to 13 now.
Yeah, King is going to stay home and go to UGA I believe.
BShark said:
Yeah, King is going to stay home and go to UGA I believe.
For the 8th time
Pretty ridiculous for sure.
By my current estimations, the Big-12 has 17 four star recruits (or higher) committed with a handful of high level transfers sitting out the season. Last year the Big-12 added 18 for this current season. Talent infusion coming into the league
BeddieKU23 said:
By my current estimations, the Big-12 has 17 four star recruits (or higher) committed with a handful of high level transfers sitting out the season. Last year the Big-12 added 18 for this current season. Talent infusion coming into the league
Thankfully KU has enough talent that should stick around to absorb a tough class. No mistake though the streak could easily end next year. Front court additions are so key. I'm not worried about the back court if it's going to be SO Dotson, JR Garrett, RS SO Moore, RS FR/SO Agbaji, RS JR KJ is good enough. The FR likely wouldn't have to play, unless McBride is further along than expected.
You know just from reading what I've seen IF he holds a lot of stock in his own words , then I STILL think in the end JRE ends up here at KU. OK maybe some truth that Villanova makes that push or is - - yet as of this point still just 2 CB'S for them. I think the North Carolina talk has cooled some, although their fans are still bowing or trying to blow smoke up their own ass.
Their saying because of this FBI thing that there is NO WAY JRE can possibly end up at KU - - -saying FOR sure the NCAA is headed to Lawrence - -just no way he still comes here.
Yet I think like I said if JRE holds any truth to his words - -if he had ANY sincerity to them then he will be here bottom line.
I can't remember if it was 247 or Rivals caught up with him and talked about his recruitment and he was saying how cool it would be to play where his dad had played, that he knew how crazy the KU fans are thought that was cool. - - Talked about Mama going to KU I think - -talked about how neat it would be close enough he could be close to his friends and they would be able to come to some games. -To me - -if you add all these things up - -I spite of other things - -he still come to be a KU Jayhawk when it's all said and done.-- I have heard people - -again on the NC board they wer talking about how they were worried that in the end Mama would play to much of a role in this, I just think there are still to many factors in our favor -- I think JRE wants to make MaMa happy too. - -we shall see - - I don't see ANY FAT LADY warming her voice up - -hell I don't even see any fat lady in the building - - -- you got to believe my friends stay strong - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Braun vs Svi. Does Braun have the potential to be a poor man's Svi?
Different players. Braun has mid-major PG skills at the wing. He can shoot it but not quite like Svi. He's a junkyard dog though from what people say. I plan to go to multiple games, so I'll get back to you on this.
Well I know this isn't actually recruiting just didn't know where to put this -- Sooo if you want to move it to another basketball thread - -no problems.
Read where from an article that came out at 9:54 off ESPN , that the Big 12 & the Big East had approved a 4 year contract starting in 19-20 - -All 10 teams will play with 5-5 sites from both Campus's -- -Also the Big 12 said the Big 12 /Sec challenge would also continue - - -should prove for some very interesting non con challenges - -personally I love it - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Arizona with another big recruit . Top 60 player.
Woodrow said:
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Arizona with another big recruit . Top 60 player.
Yep. KU will bounce back just fine as well, we will see how long it takes though.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
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Arizona with another big recruit . Top 60 player.
Yep. KU will bounce back just fine as well, we will see how long it takes though.
Agree. Didn’t take Miller long at all.
AZ must have outstanding facilities. I’ve been to Tucson many times. Heck, I was just there Saturday.
- middle of nowhere, 2 hours south of PHX by car
- desert landscaping with dust storms and nasty rain storms
- no direct flights
- nice winters, but 115 degrees in the summer (8 months every year)
- Campus is OK but nothing like KU, UK, Duke, North Carolina
What’s the draw???
$$$$ 🤷♂️ Only consistently good p5 team west of the Rockies currently.
@Gorilla72 You can drive to the Grand Canyon. That makes up for all the rest.
Except you want to make sure your car is in really good condition because of all that desert and heat stuff.
FYI KU was in Florida to visit JRE at IMG.
JRE is officially down to KU & Nova... YIKES
Edited original post to include recent developments. Removed Cole Anthony from the list as its very unlikely KU makes his list which he's said to be cutting and announcing.
BeddieKU23 said:
JRE is officially down to KU & Nova... YIKES
Yeah...
Also good call on removing Cole from the list.
BeddieKU23 said:
JRE is officially down to KU & Nova... YIKES
Where did you see this at?
Also who and when was KU in to see him?
Woodrow said:
BeddieKU23 said:
JRE is officially down to KU & Nova... YIKES
Where did you see this at?
Also who and when was KU in to see him?
Norm dropped by Tuesday.
I just saw that. Still haven’t seen anything about hike cutting his schools to KU and Nova.
Woodrow said:
I just saw that. Still haven’t seen anything about hike cutting his schools to KU and Nova.
Trying to find an article on it but people are saying Bossi said he is down to Nova and KU. I can tell you that on JRE's Rival page his interest for Nova and KU is set to "High" and it's at "None" for the others.
Yeah I haven't found an article yet, twitter doesn't have much either but its reported Bossi reported he's down to the 2. I would imagine something would be released today.
Shay bringing up the rear: https://kansas.rivals.com/news/jeremiah-robinson-earl-down-to-two ↗
I still think JRE picks KU but Nova has me pretty nervous. Too early to say anything definitive on Hurt, and we’re not really recruiting Chandler that hard.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I still think JRE picks KU but Nova has me pretty nervous. Too early to say anything definitive on Hurt, and we’re not really recruiting Chandler that hard.
When you slowplay guys like Chandler and some others, you'd better not miss on your top targets like JRE. JRE is as close to "must get" as you can have for KU imo. I really don't want to see what the scramble result looks like. Hope you are right.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I still think JRE picks KU but Nova has me pretty nervous. Too early to say anything definitive on Hurt, and we’re not really recruiting Chandler that hard.
When you slowplay guys like Chandler and some others, you'd better not miss on your top targets like JRE. JRE is as close to "must get" as you can have for KU imo. I really don't want to see what the scramble result looks like. Hope you are right.
Well said right here.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I still think JRE picks KU but Nova has me pretty nervous. Too early to say anything definitive on Hurt, and we’re not really recruiting Chandler that hard.
When you slowplay guys like Chandler and some others, you'd better not miss on your top targets like JRE. JRE is as close to "must get" as you can have for KU imo. I really don't want to see what the scramble result looks like. Hope you are right.
The backup plan for JRE is Zeke, but the staff views him as a guy than can start in years 2-3, not a guy that’s going to be a KU level starter immediately.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I still think JRE picks KU but Nova has me pretty nervous. Too early to say anything definitive on Hurt, and we’re not really recruiting Chandler that hard.
When you slowplay guys like Chandler and some others, you'd better not miss on your top targets like JRE. JRE is as close to "must get" as you can have for KU imo. I really don't want to see what the scramble result looks like. Hope you are right.
The backup plan for JRE is Zeke, but the staff views him as a guy than can start in years 2-3, not a guy that’s going to be a KU level starter immediately.
Seems to clash with papa Nnaji thinking his son is OAD. Thanks for sharing though as always.
@FarmerJayhawk I'm thinking more now that we DO still get JRE and Zeke and not Hurt
jayballer73 said:
@FarmerJayhawk I'm thinking more now that we DO still get JRE and Zeke and not Hurt
I would not be disappointed in that result. Multi year players and both could have NBA futures.
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
@FarmerJayhawk I'm thinking more now that we DO still get JRE and Zeke and not Hurt
I would not be disappointed in that result. Multi year players and both could have NBA futures.
I agree my friend. - I would settle for those two for sure. - -Yes I would love to have hurt , but I'm just starting to believe more and more that Hurt with him waiting till spring - I just feel the likelihood of him coming is less and less
It not looking to good
jayballer73 said:
I agree my friend. - I would settle for those two for sure. - -Yes I would love to have hurt , but I'm just starting to believe more and more that Hurt with him waiting till spring - I just feel the likelihood of him coming is less and less
JRE is good enough imo to start as a freshman so if we only get 1 of the JRE/Hurt duo I don't personally feel its a huge loss one way or the other. Hurt does have some versatility and superior shooting ability to JRE but Jeremiah has really surprised me especially in recent video how well he does just about everything and his motor and effort will never be questioned here (if he came). The added bonus for JRE is you probably get 2-3 years of him to develop as opposed to Hurt's OAD assertions.
I think we (I know I do) get a bit uneasy with recruits such as Hurt that are in no rush. Hurt has the leverage in his recruitment with basically every top program in his ear so it makes perfect sense for him to wait it out. Personally I don't feel we do that great with these type of recruitment's but Self does win his share.
Someone on the phog posted JRE's birthday is Nov 3rd. Not saying that could be the date he announces but you do see some every year that do that and with his recruitment at the end stage, just maybe?
Does his family still live in KC?
Yes, they say his mom moved w/him, for the year.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Yes, they say his mom moved w/him, for the year.
Wish I had that kind of job flexibility...
@BeddieKU23 Ya , to me I've been a little surprised that JRE handles the ball decently loves to get out and run looks like he likes to hit the boards so ya would be nice.
Just seems like Hurt will land elsewhere , not that I like that but whatcha going to do? -- again with him waitin till late- -he ha said he wants to watch the teams play , gonna visit during the year- - just gives me some upset stomach lol - -yet who knows - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 I saw an article of zags blog about how he had narrowed his choices and about his birthday , His mom said his decision would be coming up soon - -so quite possibly. -- People saying that they think he will be the next to announce
Fwiw Riley Gates (KSU writer) put in a cb pick for KU,
BShark said:
Fwiw Riley Gates (KSU writer) put in a cb pick for KU,
did that just com in today?
BShark said:
Fwiw Riley Gates (KSU writer) put in a cb pick for KU,
it will go backand forth
@jayballer73 Yes
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
Fwiw Riley Gates (KSU writer) put in a cb pick for KU,
did that just com in today?yes
Well this was predictable- -give you some giggles. - - From the NC fans message boards that's being said after cut out for JRE:
Would rather see him go to Villanova. - - - -- - -So he is down to KU & Villanova? best go to Villanova young man , don't get that stank all over you - -- - WOW -- - -If Kansas is in his final two we didn't lose- - - - When you can't even beat Kansas & Arizona out who are neck deep in a cheating scandal you have recruiting problems ( LMAO - -this from a school who make up false classes for students - - hmm talking about calling the kettle black ) gave me some laughs anyways -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@Crimsonorblue22 :pray_tone1: Hope your surgery goes well.
Sharing what Nova is saying about JRE.. Sounds like one poster has a source at IMG.
When I 1st heard it was only that UNC and NOVA were the favorites and that he would NOT go to Kansas. My source's son goes to IMG for lacrosse and they are family with as big a name as there is in College hoops history. The person he got the info from would have gotten in directly from the player and mom. They have buildings named after mom's family at KU but she does NOT want him to go there. I will leave out why.
Another poster
FWIW---I am friendly with a Big UNC booster/former player. About two weeks ago he said UNC not the destination. He thought Nova or Kansas in that order.
Another that the board seems to trust his intel says JRE will go to Nova.
Glug...
BShark said:
Glug...
Not a surprise if this is all true
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Glug...
Not a surprise if this is all true
Yeah, makes a ton of sense. Pretty obvious why his mom wouldn't want him at KU.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Glug...
Not a surprise if this is all true
Yeah, makes a ton of sense. Pretty obvious why his mom wouldn't want him at KU.
I didn't get the sense that it was due to the FBI thing. However I could have just completely missed that as well
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Glug...
Not a surprise if this is all true
Yeah, makes a ton of sense. Pretty obvious why his mom wouldn't want him at KU.
I didn't get the sense that it was due to the FBI thing. However I could have just completely missed that as well
You could be right it might be different. Too bad they wouldn't just say lol.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Glug...
Not a surprise if this is all true
Yeah, makes a ton of sense. Pretty obvious why his mom wouldn't want him at KU.
I didn't get the sense that it was due to the FBI thing. However I could have just completely missed that as well
You could be right it might be different. Too bad they wouldn't just say lol.
I know its always the most important info held back.
Hurt and Earl both had the opportunity to play for Self this summer. If they aren’t interested in coming down to play for Bill full-time, I’m not interested in them either.
I do feel KU will land 2 of the 3 (Hurt, JRE, Zeke). I wish Hurt would start taking his recruitment seriously. He’s really hard to get a read on and it’s kinda messing up recruiting of other prospects. Nothing new here though, kids gotta do what’s right for him first and foremost.
On the bright side, Memphis hoops people have absolutely taken note of how Self is feeding Dedric. Could pay dividends down the line.
Balsa Koprivica to FSU.
@Crimsonorblue22 I would think so.
Sounds like DJ Jeffries will committ to Memphis this morning. Top 40 kid who is the cousin of the Lawson twins if I remember correctly.
Woodrow said:
Sounds like DJ Jeffries will committ to Memphis this morning. Top 40 kid who is the cousin of the Lawson twins if I remember correctly.
Correct.
Woodrow said:
Sounds like DJ Jeffries will committ to Memphis this morning. Top 40 kid who is the cousin of the Lawson twins if I remember correctly.
A lot of high expectations for Memphis with a good class and lots of interest. There seems to be this idea that a former pro star will make a great coach which is not always the case; the better coaches were many times fringe players like Jackson and Kerr and stars like Jordan flopped big time as NBA coaches or GMs. Two of the elite coaches in the NBA Popovch and Stevens played only for minor college programs. Former star NBA players that coach college include Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullins, Danny Manning, Mark Price, Reggie Theus, Avery Johnson and Damon Stoudamire and none is setting the world on fire.
A good seasons and Memphis could get commitment from a number of top recruits and become a powerhouse or Hardaway could be the next Shaka Smart.
So far, this is Penny's best signing by a lot. Of course, they are heavily favored for Wiseman.
@JayHawkFanToo What team did Jordan coach? I completely missed that one. Bad GM for sure though. Horrible at the draft.
He was indeed a GM..and not a good one.
It looks more and more likely that JRE will end up at Nova
Should make Zeke's decision easier I hope
BeddieKU23 said:
Should make Zeke's decision easier I hope
There hasn't been a ton out there on him other than visit fluff pieces. He was tagged in this: https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Board/105393/Contents/Basketball-Authority-Report-Williams-transitioning-well-123801082/ ↗
But I am VIP and can't read it. :shrug:
I've been reading about JRE , you know all about how JRE'S family and their history with KU. - - - -Lester playing here , his mom going to school hers , but all I have been hearing is how is Mama doesn't want him to go to KU. - -My question to this is WHY?
You would think , if she went to school here and his daddy played ball here -- why is she against him playing here? -Is it all these things that have been happening with or surrounding the basketball program?
Could it be because if the pot that they had the problem with in the players dorm? -- The supposed rape in the players dorm? - - The Vick incident with Vick and his so called girlfriend him hitting her supposedly ? - - -Josh Jackson with Vick on this ? - The Billy Preston / Silvio cases with the so called money FBI case? - The Alexander situation? -is these things why? - -the whole FBI thing? - -anyone know for sure why she is against him playing here? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I may be wrong (new info out or something) but last I heard JRE’s mom was making him choose KU on his own. Not pushing him to KU, but not away. Just making him make his own decision. It may be a tough love type of deal.
I don’t want my kids to do something just because I did it- I want them to make their own informed decisions. Hopefully this is the same deal.
dylans said:
I may be wrong (new info out or something) but last I heard JRE’s mom was making him choose KU on his own. Not pushing him to KU, but not away. Just making him make his own decision. It may be a tough love type of deal.
I don’t want my kids to do something just because I did it- I want them to make their own informed decisions. Hopefully this is the same deal.
hmmm, I hadn't heard anything like that , but makes sense I reckon. Thanks for your info buddy. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Should make Zeke's decision easier I hope
There hasn't been a ton out there on him other than visit fluff pieces. He was tagged in this: https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Board/105393/Contents/Basketball-Authority-Report-Williams-transitioning-well-123801082/ ↗
But I am VIP and can't read it. :shrug:
Here you go my friend
Nnaji visited UCLA this past weekend and will be at Baylor this weekend followed by a visit to Purdue. We’re still of the belief that Arizona is legitimately in this one and the coaches are pursuing Nnaji with the belief that the Wildcats could land him. Each school has its draw to Nnaji and Kansas is the main competition, but Arizona is not out of this one by any means.
Nobody has given out the reasons, not even the people who claim to know something from other teams recruiting him. Either its false rumors or is the word out there that nobody wants to talk about.
What is troubling from the tea leaves I'm seeing is his move to IMG has some red flags. Mom was able to move to Fl with him. Some UNC/Nova people have said Nike/IMG has gotten in with him and family. Again just all speculation but its smoke. With how recruiting gets done I wouldn't be surprised if KU loses out simply because Nike has a better offer.
We all know Nova's success lately, kids are starting to be drawn there. I'm sure Nike is helping facilitate recruits toward the school, they are winning and nothing works easier then winning.
In the end as I said from the moment he announced the move to IMG this wasn't in KU's favor.
@jayballer73 JRE's mom definitely went to school here. She's a Robinson. They are one of the absolute biggest KU legacies around. You can read up on it if you are interested.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Should make Zeke's decision easier I hope
There hasn't been a ton out there on him other than visit fluff pieces. He was tagged in this: https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Board/105393/Contents/Basketball-Authority-Report-Williams-transitioning-well-123801082/ ↗
But I am VIP and can't read it. :shrug:
Here you go my friend
Nnaji visited UCLA this past weekend and will be at Baylor this weekend followed by a visit to Purdue. We’re still of the belief that Arizona is legitimately in this one and the coaches are pursuing Nnaji with the belief that the Wildcats could land him. Each school has its draw to Nnaji and Kansas is the main competition, but Arizona is not out of this one by any means.
Okay so generic fluff just like every other article on him lately. Looks like we just have to wait and see.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Should make Zeke's decision easier I hope
There hasn't been a ton out there on him other than visit fluff pieces. He was tagged in this: https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Board/105393/Contents/Basketball-Authority-Report-Williams-transitioning-well-123801082/ ↗
But I am VIP and can't read it. :shrug:
Here you go my friend
Nnaji visited UCLA this past weekend and will be at Baylor this weekend followed by a visit to Purdue. We’re still of the belief that Arizona is legitimately in this one and the coaches are pursuing Nnaji with the belief that the Wildcats could land him. Each school has its draw to Nnaji and Kansas is the main competition, but Arizona is not out of this one by any means.
Okay so generic fluff just like every other article on him lately. Looks like we just have to wait and see.
Yes nothing earth-shattering. Their insider doesn't know much, he's speculating they are one of the favorites here. That could be the case based on their expected frontcourt next year and the recruiting class Miller has assembled to make it attractive for him.
I did see an article that said watch out for Purdue here.. Interested to see whether any legs with that. Purdue looks well stocked with bigs after taking 2 in 2018, 1 in 2019 already and two underclassmen starters. They also will get his last visit it looks?
I think KU leads solidly here if the FBI thing hasn't changed things
Good stuff on the Phog about JRE. Apparently he has concerns about starting and how he would be used at KU. Bought into Jay's sales pitch. WOOF.
BShark said:
Good stuff on the Phog about JRE. Apparently he has concerns about starting and how he would be used at KU. Bought into Jay's sales pitch. WOOF.
Ouch. None of this surprises me
BShark said:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/10/29/cassius-stanley-visits-ucla-oregon-up-next/ ↗
Momentum = dropped off a cliff
@BeddieKU23 I didn't read it that negatively. That said, it's going to be extremely tough to beat UCLA.
@Crimsonorblue22 I mean that the information comes from posters that have had good info in the past. The news itself is a gut punch of course. Jay Wright OWNS Bill Self at this point.
Big swing and a miss. I've already moved on. I can't blame him. Staff selling him and Hurt on playing together was never a good idea in my opinion. I didn't ever see a scenario where they could start together on the same team. Now we might miss on both.
Kcmatt7 said:
Big swing and a miss. I've already moved on. I can't blame him. Staff selling him and Hurt on playing together was never a good idea in my opinion. I didn't ever see a scenario where they could start together on the same team. Now we might miss on both.
Absolutely no way to spin this one. Just have to move on and hopefully add Zeke Nnaji.
I taught Lester Earls cousin in Baton Rouge. Maybe I can help deliver JRE!
Here's what I know about JRE. Now that it's kind of out there, I can say his people think he can play the wing and has been promised some run on the perimeter at Nova, where KU sees him more of a traditional 4 (which, to be fair, he is). It's also not over by any stretch of the imagination. KU certainly has their work out to close, but they definitely can.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Here's what I know about JRE. Now that it's kind of out there, I can say his people think he can play the wing and has been promised some run on the perimeter at Nova, where KU sees him more of a traditional 4 (which, to be fair, he is). It's also not over by any stretch of the imagination. KU certainly has their work out to close, but they definitely can.
I love JRE's game, but man, he is not a wing. He's a CENTER in Nova's system.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Here's what I know about JRE. Now that it's kind of out there, I can say his people think he can play the wing and has been promised some run on the perimeter at Nova, where KU sees him more of a traditional 4 (which, to be fair, he is). It's also not over by any stretch of the imagination. KU certainly has their work out to close, but they definitely can.
I love JRE's game, but man, he is not a wing. He's a CENTER in Nova's system.
Recruiting, man. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Any day now we should hear Azubuike wants to play point guard in the league
I mean there was that one time he went coast to coast with the ball.
SMH
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Here's what I know about JRE. Now that it's kind of out there, I can say his people think he can play the wing and has been promised some run on the perimeter at Nova, where KU sees him more of a traditional 4 (which, to be fair, he is). It's also not over by any stretch of the imagination. KU certainly has their work out to close, but they definitely can.
I love JRE's game, but man, he is not a wing. He's a CENTER in Nova's system.
Recruiting, man. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Lol, for sure. I almost just replied to your post with #LiesToldInRecruiting but wanted to put some more words to it.
If you use twitter and don't follow Slater, I'd fix that.
Ha! I saw that. There’s no way on Earth that’s legal
I'm 10,000% ready for that recruitment to end.
Or, better, I'd love for him to land here, roll up to AFH in his brand new Rolls Royce plastered with Adidas stickers and half of the fanbase act totally oblivious as to why he landed in Lawrence. You know, normal KU basketball things.
Man it's starting to get really depressing looking here for any 'thing positive on recruiting. I mean I know you guys are just posting things you have read and heard. - I think the reason it's so depressing to think we are losing recruits that we all thought we were sitting good on
ONCE just ONCE I would like to be able to see something positive on our recruiting the recruits. - -Looks like we are losing to Nova on JRE , and that absolutely sucks. -- I just think we have lost Hurt , nothing solid but something is tellin me we have lost him - - - -I know it was crazy maybe to even think in the remotest - -crazy I know about even having a chance with Stanley Yet that was what I was thinking - -now it look more and more he IS NOT leaving the Coast , although I think someone here was mentioning from an article they had read about his visit to UCLA made it pretty official we had lost him
That article didn't say that to me , in that article his dad STILL had some pretty good things about KU and Coach Self - -but yet I don't think he is coming , Soooo that leaves us with Zeke. Now I fill confident about him yet even with him I've been hearing about Sweattie boy and Arizona - this could turn into a really sucky year. - -like I said ONCE please SOMEONE deliver me some good news on the recruiting front. - - see I'm depressed now lol. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
2019 went from a class "we were in deep with" to what looks like could end up being Bill's worst class in his entire time here at KU.
@jayballer73 Wiseman
Kcmatt7 said:
2019 went from a class "we were in deep with" to what looks like could end up being Bill's worst class in his entire time here at KU.
Don't care what anyone says, FBI stuff hurt.
jayballer73 said:
Man it's starting to get really depressing looking here for any 'thing positive on recruiting. I mean I know you guys are just posting things you have read and heard. - I think the reason it's so depressing to think we are losing recruits that we all thought we were sitting good on
ONCE just ONCE I would like to be able to see something positive on our recruiting the recruits. - -Looks like we are losing to Nova on JRE , and that absolutely sucks. -- I just think we have lost Hurt , nothing solid but something is tellin me we have lost him - - - -I know it was crazy maybe to even think in the remotest - -crazy I know about even having a chance with Stanley Yet that was what I was thinking - -now it look more and more he IS NOT leaving the Coast , although I think someone here was mentioning from an article they had read about his visit to UCLA made it pretty official we had lost him
That article didn't say that to me , in that article his dad STILL had some pretty good things about KU and Coach Self - -but yet I don't think he is coming , Soooo that leaves us with Zeke. Now I fill confident about him yet even with him I've been hearing about Sweattie boy and Arizona - this could turn into a really sucky year. - -like I said ONCE please SOMEONE deliver me some good news on the recruiting front. - - see I'm depressed now lol. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Something positive: I really like the addition of McBride. Dude is a BUCKET. Great shooter just needs some time to get stronger in the program. Should be a very nice 4 year guy.
If Self closes this class with Nnaji, Hurt and Stanley that would be pretty hot.
Stanley will be a tough pull, but doable. His dad sure seems to love Bill Self.
I think Purdue might actually be a bigger threat than Arizona for Zeke.
Too early to really tell with Hurt. Still hasn't taken any OVs.
Kcmatt7 said:
Or, better, I'd love for him to land here, roll up to AFH in his brand new Rolls Royce plastered with Adidas stickers and half of the fanbase act totally oblivious as to why he landed in Lawrence. You know, normal KU basketball things.
@BShark Absolutely did. Wouldn't be shocked if it scared away Hurt and JRE. And will continue to be a cloud until the NCAA makes a ruling on it.
Fwiw, I do think we end up with at least a couple of top 100 guys before next season one way or another. I think Stumps could still be in trouble. I think Shaka could be in trouble. Bruce Pearl could end up in some stuff. UCLA is getting tired of not winning under Alford. Maryland is fed up with Turg. Add in any late risers or guys waiting on bigger offers.
So there is plenty of shuffling left. But we are definitely whiffing on our top guys and I totally thought Bill seemed to be getting in a groove again.
Just looking at uncommitted guys:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Absolutely did. Wouldn't be shocked if it scared away Hurt and JRE. And will continue to be a cloud until the NCAA makes a ruling on it.
Fwiw, I do think we end up with at least a couple of top 100 guys before next season one way or another. I think Stumps could still be in trouble. I think Shaka could be in trouble. Bruce Pearl could end up in some stuff. UCLA is getting tired of not winning under Alford. Maryland is fed up with Turg. Add in any late risers or guys waiting on bigger offers.
So there is plenty of shuffling left. But we are definitely whiffing on our top guys and I totally thought Bill seemed to be getting in a groove again.
Just looking at uncommitted guys:
- Jaden McDaniels - What is up with him? Seems to have weak offers for being a top 10 guy. Perhaps a Spring signee?
- Precious looks like he is waiting. But also seems like he could be an eligibility nightmare? His recruitment has been quiet, but seems like Penny might have found a way in.
- Trendon Watford - We offered him. But apparently didn't take the bait?
- Malik Hall - Man we didn't even show any interest. Letting talent leave Kansas always bothers me.
- Carl Lewis - Is he an academic risk or something? NOBODY showing interest there.
- Tyrese Samuel - Only visited Wake so far. KSU supposedly involved, so he has to be clean right? lol.
We'll see on Hurt. Last I knew he was more interested in high school football than college basketball. And the list within the list still had KU at or near the top, so we'll see.
Here's what I have on the rest:
McDaniels - different type of dude. Kentucky is involved but I expect him to either stay home or go hang out with his brother.
Precious - Memphis is trying to get in, but UConn is also really strong there. Could be a G League candidate honestly.
Trendon - KU was never that serious about him given their desire for JRE, Hurt, and Zeke.
Lewis - has all the academic red flags. Probable JuCo.
Samuel - I think UConn or K-State. Don't think KU is interested.
@FarmerJayhawk Most of that confirmed what I thought. Slim pickings left. My worst fear is landing another Landen Lucas.
@HighEliteMajor I don't think it hurts to have an LL. Just not a great idea to let him be your top option for 2.5 years.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
2019 went from a class "we were in deep with" to what looks like could end up being Bill's worst class in his entire time here at KU.
Don't care what anyone says, FBI stuff hurt.
Oh I couldn't agree more, I think it kicked us right square in the old crotch - -big time kick. - Some people wee trying to fool themselves, that it wouldn't/ Even if NOTHING comes from this, hell I even heard some people ssay that these are 17-18 yrs old kids and they don't ever consider things like this - -and here is where I call BS
No surprise but Cole Anthony cut KU.
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Anthony’s final 6 are Oregon, UNC, Norte Dame, Miami, Georgetown, and Wake Forrest.
Lol at that list.
Gonna look great in Carolina blue.
@FarmerJayhawk KSU people were acting like their class is done. If they are adding Samuel potentially, I guess Bruce is sharpening his axe on a currently unsuspecting kid.
I'm going to have to agree with @mayjay it doesn't hurt to have a Landen Lucas around. Mitch is essentially another Lucas level player. The problem is if they have to start. Keep in mind the plan was NEVER for Lucas to start. Not one single year in his time at KU.
Anyway, Self will find some at least half-real guys, plus the returning roster should be decent. I'm not worried about next year as things currently stand.
Let's look at other bigs in years Lucas got starts
SO year: Perry, Cliff, Jamari, Hunter
JR year: Perry, Diallo, Bragg, Jamari, Hunter
SR year: Doke, Bragg, Coleby and I guess Mitch but he wasn't expected to be a factor
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark we can't lose another game like the Oregon game. Great kid, but.....
My point was that there were other players, highly ranked, on all those teams that were supposed to start. No one was predicting Bragg would be a bust and you can never predict injuries like Doke. The rosters had plenty of bigs, the guy taking the 12/13th scholarship is never going to be a world beater.
Now, if we want to blame Self, I think that's a conversation worth having. ESPECIALLY the Diallo year.
If KU makes it to spring and has a great season and then the other trials start KU will be able to recruit again. Weather the storm right now, get lucky maybe with a recruit signing in November and let TIME be your friend.
@Crimsonorblue22 Diallo would be a good college player by now. Lol He was raw!
Evan and Brian with the dagger CB's
I understand it is not the end of the world, and KU will be fine in the end. However, missing on JRE is a pretty epic swing and miss. Hard to believe Self and the staff couldn't close the deal on this one.
BeddieKU23 said:
Evan and Brian with the dagger CB's
To be clear for anyone wondering, Evan has a 95% success rate because he only puts in his pick when it's DONE.
Bruce is definitely sharpening that ax. Bringing in an unranked 2019 SG for a visit. Name is Goodnews Kpegeol. If KSU offers on his visit, it would be his best offer by a mile.
@Crimsonorblue22 :shrug: Nothing to do about it. If he bought the kool-aid enough to believe he will play some wing at Nova what can you do? Self/KU will bounce back and field a competitive team next year.
KU has a really good shot at Stanley because of his dad, imo @jayballer73
JRE may announce for Nova as early as today apparently.
Get it over with. At least that means the first domino has fallen. I'm sure Nnaji will be next.
Kcmatt7 said:
Get it over with. At least that means the first domino has fallen. I'm sure Nnaji will be next.
Agree. Need to find out if Chandler should be recruited more seriously. JRE popping now helps that.
Precious Achiuwa will not sign in the early period per Evan Daniels. He might be a G-League candidate tbh.
BShark said:
Precious Achiuwa will not sign in the early period per Evan Daniels. He might be a G-League candidate tbh.
In line with what my buddy at Brewster says. This one has a ton of red flags around it.
BShark said:
JRE may announce for Nova as early as today apparently.
Nice, will be glad to have this one over with
:eyes:
BShark said:
@Crimsonorblue22 :shrug: Nothing to do about it. If he bought the kool-aid enough to believe he will play some wing at Nova what can you do? Self/KU will bounce back and field a competitive team next year.
KU has a really good shot at Stanley because of his dad, imo @jayballer73
My money is on more then just playing on the wing that won this one. We'll never know though
Cassius Stanley on why he picked KU.
"Self sold me on playing Center. I know I'm a wing/guard but he said Udoka Azubuike is going pro after the season I really see myself impacting the team most at Center".
All fun. No Malice of course
BeddieKU23 said:
Cassius Stanley on why he picked KU.
"Self sold me on playing Center. I know I'm a wing/guard but he said Udoka Azubuike is going pro after the season I really see myself impacting the team most at Center".
All fun. No Malice of course
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@BeddieKU23 Lol that's what I'm thinking. We will just have to see what goes on with mama JRE and if she moves to Philly. I'd be willing to bet that Philly has its "benefits."
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Lol that's what I'm thinking. We will just have to see what goes on with mama JRE and if she moves to Philly. I'd be willing to bet that Philly has its "benefits."
I'm sure. Recruiting never has a dull moment
Imagine if Stanley did a video and said "we good coach Self?" and committed to KU.
All fiction.
Woodrow said:
I understand it is not the end of the world, and KU will be fine in the end. However, missing on JRE is a pretty epic swing and miss. Hard to believe Self and the staff couldn't close the deal on this one.
me neither, DAM we have got to close these deals - - this one is big - -Like me and Bshark said you can talk till your blue in the face I feel beyond a shadow of doubt the FBI thing played a HUGE role in this -- and were not done yet. - I thought it was looking like a sweet recruiting year - now looking like it really suck - -were not getting Hurt either - -take that to the bank. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Kcmatt7 said:
Get it over with. At least that means the first domino has fallen. I'm sure Nnaji will be next.
Ya quite possibly - - but how confident are we that he will commit to KU? - -his dad has said will probably announce around the 24 of November. - -After this hard to be confident on any of these kids this year at all now.
I guess we can try and pull some kind of positive spin on this JRE fiasco maybe. - -With JRE going elsewhere this might be enough to solidify Zeke committing to us - -I hope that's the way it goes down anyways. - Actually thought I had heard really that Nnaji was a better athlete then JRE anyways is that right? - has anyone else heard this? -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Nnaji is a better long term prospect but JRE is a better basketball player right now.
BShark said:
:eyes:
so straight up my friend no Bullshit - -shootin straight from the hip. - -What do you think our chances are with Stanley - -no hem hawin around - -just straight out. -- or for that matter how does anyone else feel in reality what our chances a re?
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Nnaji is a better long term prospect but JRE is a better basketball player right now.
oh my bad thought I had heard/read that Nnaji was actually the better athlete
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Nnaji is a better long term prospect but JRE is a better basketball player right now.
oh my bad thought I had heard/read that Nnaji was actually the better athlete
You'd be correct. Part of Nnaji being a better long term prospect is his athleticism.
Bear in mind, Dedric is a terrible athlete (by freak standards) but an amazing basketball player.
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
:eyes:
so straight up my friend no Bullshit - -shootin straight from the hip. - -What do you think our chances are with Stanley - -no hem hawin around - -just straight out. -- or for that matter how does anyone else feel in reality what our chances a re?
Pretty good.
Based on the information available to date, I would think that the worst of the storm is over for KU but just starting for programs like Arizona, Creighton, De Paul and others including Duke who might lose Zion and be in a world of trouble arising from his recruitment. There is no way Zion went anywhere without getting paid a lot of money. I don't believe we have seen the end of it.
I would think this is the approach KU is likely taking, telling prospects the worst is behind and is clear sailing moving forward.
Duke isn't going to lose Zion.
@JayHawkFanToo Zion is in the clear. He's with Dook and Nike, and laws and rules don't apply.
BShark said:
JRE may announce for Nova as early as today apparently.
What or who have you been hearing/reading that indicates that JRE might even announce today for Villanova?
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
@BShark I think Chandler commit's to Penny
Not sure Memphis is recruiting him that much actually.
Which probably says a lot about him... If we aren't and if Memphis isn't, that's a sign.
I think KU could quickly get to the point where Chandler is a good option though.
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
JRE may announce for Nova as early as today apparently.
What or who have you been hearing/reading that indicates that JRE might even announce today for Villanova?
IT WAS ON 247 SPORTS.COM ON PHOG VIP
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
@BShark I think Chandler commit's to Penny
Not sure Memphis is recruiting him that much actually.
Which probably says a lot about him... If we aren't and if Memphis isn't, that's a sign.
I think KU could quickly get to the point where Chandler is a good option though.
I'm plenty ok with it. I'd almost rather just take him if he wants to come here. He is a 4 year guy who projects to be at the very least a solid playable piece. At least, imo.
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Lol such a tease. I hope he just gets it over with in the next week or two though.
who are we talking about here buddy? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Stanley.
OH ok gotcha. - -wonder if he is committing early or spring?
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Lol such a tease. I hope he just gets it over with in the next week or two though.
who are we talking about here buddy? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Stanley.
OH ok gotcha. - -wonder if he is committing early or spring?
Early.
JRE chose Nova. Hard to miss on him, but life (and KU basketball) will go on.
@1JayhawkLifer Funny. Svi played the 4 and JRE wants to be a 3. No way he’d manage a perimeter shot in Bill’s system as a 4. Rotflmao
Next.
I meant his mom and him were the only ones to think he could play the 3?
Really confident KU isn't getting Matt Hurt either.
@Crimsonorblue22 The FBI stuff sure doesn’t help.
The class is shaping up way different than initial impressions.
BShark said:
Really confident KU isn't getting Matt Hurt either.
you and me both. - -That's why I feel it of the upmost that we can land Zeke
Woodrow said:
@BShark why do you say that about Hurt?
I think and know I'm not alone - -think this FBI thing is playing a part - -and believe this FBI thing also play SOME part with JRE - -just like when Arizona got named and Louisville - -both took a big hit last year when this FBI thing surfaced. - -Arizona AND Louisville both have really bounced back this year but last year the same year they mentioned kicked them right square in the nads- - now were seeing the same thing.
I think with him holding off until spring -- is for sure NOT GOOD for us - -w NEED ZEKE for sure
Zeke is our absolute best hope among the names KU is involved with now. Other than that, KU will get involved with guys that aren't even on the radar right now I would bet.
I'm so dam tired with Wright and Villanova kicking us right square in the nads - -on the floor and now in recruiting - -their becoming a REAL PAIN in my ass.
Well I guess one way of spinning this is like said this might be just enough for Nnaji to commit to KU - -we can always hope. - -Seems like more then ever now we have GOT to land Zeke.
If we can manage somehow to pill Stanley away from the Coast/UCLA - -and manage to land Zeke with the other two we have now , would still be a decent class I reckon. -A lot of weight 0n landing those two now more then ever. Wouldn't know of any others we could have a chance at - -Possibly Chandler. - -Like was mentioned wouldn't be at all surprised if we didn't really turn the heat up on Chandler either. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
On Hurt last I heard was he cared more about watching his friends play football than setting up visits. There’s not much out there on him right now, because Matt doesn’t have much info on himself
Reading the article about JRE'S decision last night from the LJW, what Coach Self had to say makes some sense I reckon,
He said after the trail when he was visiting the recruits was having to di damage control. - -He said YES there were questions asked about relating from the trial, and there was only some questions he could answer fully - -some things he just couldn't disclose- I guess because of the on going investigation now from the NCAA I guess.
So if he couldn't give complete answer to some of these - -that then would be awfully hard to convince someone on selling their program. - Might be just enough to push them the other way , which like Bshark and I both have said , people need to realize that YES this FBI crap IS having a real impact on recruiting. - -Coach Self has even mentioned as much - -and here is a news flash -- it isn't over yet. - - Hurt IS NOT coming here - you just sit back and watch, I promise you just like I'm sure it had an impact on JRE - -so much the same thing with Hurt. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
The "we can't talk now" stuff by KU is baloney. What can't they talk about?
Self already claimed they have no knowledge of any inducements provided by third parties. If true, that is a blanket denial that covers everything.
@HighEliteMajor There couuld be some type of rule, formal or informal, against talking about anything once the NCAA has it. I am certain that discussing it, especially looking like you are denying any responsibility, couldn't help but look bad for a school that might be facing an "institutional control failure" allegation.
Take our lumps now, ride out the storm and see what's available in the spring. The news cycle will be on someone else by that point.
It's a good thing the 2019 class wasn't chalk full of stars. KU needs to find at least two front court options that can contribute next year. Maybe 1 recruit, 1 transfer who knows.
I think we are still in a good spot for Zeke. He visited twice in two weeks. Selling him a spot is easier without JRE in the picture
Bill needs to be talking to Dante's handler and start talking reclass already. Get him here and eligible however you have to do it.
The more I look, the more Dante looks ready to play college ball now, physically. He will be old enough to go pro. I see no reason why he wouldn't reclass unless the NBA changed the OAD rule a year earlier than most expect.
Kcmatt7 said:
Bill needs to be talking to Dante's handler and start talking reclass already. Get him here and eligible however you have to do it.
SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Not getting Dante unfortunately.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Bill needs to be talking to Dante's handler and start talking reclass already. Get him here and eligible however you have to do it.
SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Not getting Dante unfortunately.
Agreed, he's as likely as Wiseman.
BeddieKU23 said:
Take our lumps now, ride out the storm and see what's available in the spring. The news cycle will be on someone else by that point.
It's a good thing the 2019 class wasn't chalk full of stars. KU needs to find at least two front court options that can contribute next year. Maybe 1 recruit, 1 transfer who knows.
I think we are still in a good spot for Zeke. He visited twice in two weeks. Selling him a spot is easier without JRE in the picture
Yeah, might have to add a grad transfer, or play some small ball. But Zeke + a good grad transfer probably means a more traditional line-up again.
Agree on the 2019 class.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Bill needs to be talking to Dante's handler and start talking reclass already. Get him here and eligible however you have to do it.
SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Not getting Dante unfortunately.
Agreed, he's as likely as Wiseman.
From Hillkick on the Phog, typically has good info.
"I havent spoken to my source as to why he flipped to Nova, but I can speak to why Kansas was in the top 2 and why since last year, we’ve seemed to be his second choice:
Why KU was in the mix:
Self
Loves the atmosphere, program
Family
(Adidas a non-issue....for the record, he’s on a Under Armour AAU team, but Goolsby runs the cleanest AAU program in the sport)
Why we fell to 2nd:
Our recent history of loading up on talented bigs (DeSousa, McCormick, D Lawson, K Lawson, Azu)
Leading for a similar player (Hurt)
UNC (and Nova) are marquee programs but unlike KU/Duke/UK, are less likely to land one and done types that will take over program
A little itch to get away. Not in a bratty way way like Bol Bol, but in a life growing way
JRE is a very polite, cool kid, who loves KU and was upfront with the staff that he wasn’t a slam dunk commit. It’s about his personal beliefs about playing early, a better chance at having a large role on O and experiencing life on his own before he’s a professional. "
My goodness, I dislike Jay Wright. I disliked him when Mario and the gang kicked his butt. I really dislike him now that he’s routinely kicking KU’s keister.
Kcmatt7 said:
Bill needs to be talking to Dante's handler and start talking reclass already. Get him here and eligible however you have to do it.
that would be sweet.- -don't think that's going to happen but sure would be sweet. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Kcmatt7 said:
The more I look, the more Dante looks ready to play college ball now, physically. He will be old enough to go pro. I see no reason why he wouldn't reclass unless the NBA changed the OAD rule a year earlier than most expect.
I have heard that he is still kind of raw on the offensive, room for offensive growth- -But I would love to have him here watch him develop
@mayjay Self has referred to the trials next spring as the point behind why he wouldn't/couldn't talk more. I don't know if there is some unwritten NCAA rule. I'm not aware of some written NCAA rule. It's of course wise not tot talk, you might say something stupid or that could be misinterpreted.
But if true, Self's clear denial is admirable and warranted. It not true, I'm not so sure anything he can say within that context (denials) can cause more damage.
Well certainly starting to look more like Malik Hall is Michigan state bound - - Slater -- - Meyer -- Snow and one other have all predict that either late last night or today. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Well certainly starting to look more like Malik Hall is Michigan state bound - - Slater -- - Meyer -- Snow and one other have all predict that either late last night or today. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yep. KU didn't show much interest there tbh.
Some quotes from Papa Stanley...
“Kansas has great, great basketball tradition,” said Cassius’ father, Jerome Stanley. “They win every year. It’s a great platform for him.
“Coach (Bill) Self is really impressive with his vision and how much he cares about his players. Cassius would be really lucky to go there.”
BShark said:
Some quotes from Papa Stanley...
“Kansas has great, great basketball tradition,” said Cassius’ father, Jerome Stanley. “They win every year. It’s a great platform for him.
“Coach (Bill) Self is really impressive with his vision and how much he cares about his players. Cassius would be really lucky to go there.”
And THEN -- Stanley announces - 1st of all I'd like to thank all the Schools/ Coaches that have recruited me.Everyone has been really great. So after careful consideration after consideration I'm happy to announce that I will be attending the University of UCLA next year , really looking forward to playing under Coach Alford - -yada, yada , yada - - LMAO - - Daddy SOUNDS GOOD - but huge difference between talking and doing lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I’d be really surprised if he left the west coast.
He won't dammit lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG
jayballer73 said:
He won't dammit lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG
Ah, have to love recruiting gallows humor.
Stanley's dad on upcoming trip to Oregon
This coming weekend, Stanley will wrap up his official visits when he heads to Eugene.
“It’s a situation on the upswing,” Jerome said. “Dana Altman is a well-respected coach. They have great resources.
RESOURCES LOL.#notcomingimgettingnikemoney
BeddieKU23 said:
Stanley's dad on upcoming trip to Oregon
This coming weekend, Stanley will wrap up his official visits when he heads to Eugene.
“It’s a situation on the upswing,” Jerome said. “Dana Altman is a well-respected coach. They have great resources.
RESOURCES LOL.#notcomingimgettingnikemoney
We will find out heh. UCLA is still Adidas right?
@BeddieKU23 GREAT resources...lol.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Stanley's dad on upcoming trip to Oregon
This coming weekend, Stanley will wrap up his official visits when he heads to Eugene.
“It’s a situation on the upswing,” Jerome said. “Dana Altman is a well-respected coach. They have great resources.
RESOURCES LOL.#notcomingimgettingnikemoney
We will find out heh. UCLA is still Adidas right?
Stanley's dad isn't some dummy. Easy to see why they landed on the three schools they did.
BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 Hahahaha wow, yeah he's playing the market. And yeah he knows the game, he is a sports agent iirc.
That is correct. https://www.linkedin.com/in/wjeromestanley/ ↗
Just...lol...
This one is coming down to bids.
Malik Hall to Michigan State.
BShark said:
Malik Hall to Michigan State.
Good pickup for them. Watts & Hall are future starters
@BeddieKU23 I haven't been shy about liking Hall's game. I was hoping KU might make more of a play for him, but Self thought he was getting Jeremiah....
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I haven't been shy about liking Hall's game. I was hoping KU might make more of a play for him, but Self thought he was getting Jeremiah....
Yeah I liked Hall as well but we would have felt the same sting had we made him a priority after the FBI thing. SOL until spring unless Zeke pops
Hmm, perhaps.
I'm thinking that after this weekend , I think you will things really start to pick up concerning Zeke. -His dad has said more then like he will be choosing by the 24th of November , so I think we will start to hear a lot more about his recruiting. Just hope we are there on this one - ROCK CHAL ALL DAY LONG BABY
So is JRE good or has he been exposed by going to IMG? Why’d his ranking slip 20 spots? Might’ve dodged a non-performing bullet or might’ve lost out on a multi-year starter. I’m curious what people think? Stud or dud? Program changer or complimentary piece.
What site are you saying dropping him 20 spots?
I think he would have been a great College Big at KU. Really smart player with a great motor. He does a lot of things well but he's not elite at any one thing. We certainly would have been better with him then without
@BeddieKU23 he was ranked 18 now 38 on Rivals I believe.
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 he was ranked 18 now 38 on Rivals I believe.
He's 38 on ESPN but he's been there for a while and they haven't done an update. Should get a bump now that he went to a Nike school.
He's composite 18 on 247, 18 on their own rank. Rivals has him #10
Must’ve been ESPN that dropped him a couple months ago. Sent up red flags. A drop that big concerned me. Same as Jacobs falling off. Difference being only one service dropped him. Of course he dropped about 50 spots on my mind when he played for Self over the summer and chose to commit to the enemy.
dylans said:
Must’ve been ESPN that dropped him a couple months ago. Sent up red flags.
ESPN has him underranked by about 20 spots. He's a top 20 kid in a weak class. Big disappointment he's going to ball out at another school
@BeddieKU23 haha says you! I say he’s an over ranked pussy...or wildcat I guess.
@BeddieKU23 would’ve liked to have him, but I guess I wasn’t too high on his game. Thanks for weighing in! I really don’t have that strong of an opinion on the matter.
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 haha says you! I say he’s an over ranked pussy...or wildcat I guess.
Don't be hater bud - -JRE is a VERY good player. Just because he chose another school doesn't make him a bad player lol - -If he for real was over rated you wouldn't see nearly as many of the Big time schools recruiting him - -N Carolina -- KU-- -Arizona - - and many others just a little sample - - sucks we lost out but he is very good - -loved his play this summer with Self.
He came out and said he loves KU - - he said he just hated it that someone had put it out that he was 100 % -KU. - -He said one of the big reasons that hurt us was how in recent history KU has been loading up with Big men - -He really wants that chance to play the 4 -Villanova told him he could do that there.
With all the bigs at KU - he said he just felt he wouldn't have the chance to contribute as soon as he like - -I don't hate the kid-like I've always said one these kids - -KU was fine BEFORE these kids came - - KU will be fine AFTER these kids go lol - -were gonna be ok - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
That’s hilarious. Mitch Lightfoot has been getting minutes. I just haven’t been in the Least bit wowed by JREs athletisicm. It’s no reversal I didn’t want him, but would’ve accepted him with open arms if he came. He just does nothing for me, but my opinion is based on a limited sample size. So I asked for more input. Not hating, but I never loved his game either.
-sounds like some really liked him and we’re hanging their hat on his signing. I’m sorry for your loss, but I think we’ll be ok. Next years class may be way off because of the fbi crap. The worst thing that could happen is loading up on 100+ ranked players and being stuck with than all for four years.
Actually I’ll do a reversal on that one - I am hating on any player that plays for Jay. I can’t get behind him. Jay could save sister Jean from a burning building and I’d think it was for self serving reasons.
@Woodrow That’s just silly by him. Svi played the 4. Smh
I guess if Dedrick and Dok come back and DeSousa is declared eligible and comes back there is no way JRE would get minutes as a frosh. Doesn’t seem too likely. Oh well hopefully Hurt or Nnaji will sign and a couple guys return and we quickly forget about Lester’s kid.
JRE is a very good player but likely not elite. It reminds some of Travis Releford who at one time was ranked as high as #12 but ended up a lot lower. He red shirted his sophomore year and ended up being a solid player who started his last two years and was a big asset to the program; in many ways, the ideal college player. JRE played well at the Under 18 Tournament and would have been a good match to Hurt.
As I said before, once prospects get attention from college coaches they start to believe they are better than they really are. Every player in the top 5 believes he is the next Jordan or Bird or Magic, ever player in the top 20 believes he will a NBA super star and every player in the top 100 believes he will end up in the NBA...and we are still waiting for the next Jordan, maybe 1 in every draft becomes a super star and only a handful even make it to he next level.
Huge unrealistic expectations more often than not fueled by family and friends who see the prospect as their future meal ticket and thus created expectations that cannot be met. He will be a fine college player and has a decent chance of making it to the next level once he comes to terms with his strengths and weaknesses. He will be very good player for Villanova but not an OAD.
A man's GOT to know his limitations - Inspector “Dirty” Harry Callahan.
For those of you who are worried, here are Coach Self’s comments ↗ after the game...
HEAD COACH BILL SELF
Opening statement:
"I thought we were bad in the first half. I thought our starters played well and when we subbed, it was about even. I think the second half, gosh dang, our starters had the best ten minutes they've had all year. The 22-0 run, that was good. There were good things that happened, obviously. Quentin and Devon weren't getting shots in the first half but they were obviously better in the second half. But I thought Lagerald, Dedric, Doke and Charlie all had pretty solid games."
Again remember KU went on a 22-0 run that extended to a 33-5 run. This team can play once it gets it rhythm together.
@JayHawkFanToo Wrong thread maybe?
dylans said:
@KUSTEVE Basetball is heading towards a more positionless place anyway. Combo guards and point forwards are not unusual these days.
I wonder if playing the 3 is the allure or if it’s just the FBI stuff and he’s letting us off the hook gently?
The FBI stuff had nothing to do with JRE’s decision. Wright promised him a lot of run on the perimeter, which we didn’t. He also just really liked the school; it’s smaller, and culturally more like what he was used to at Miege. Very good academics as well.
Woodrow said:
After listening to Matt Scott on the podcast that @BShark posted yesterday I honestly think this came down to Nova telling him he could play the 3. Why he thinks he is a 3 is beyond me and most scouts, but hey that's his prerogative.
Agree. Some good stuff in that podcast.
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 would’ve liked to have him, but I guess I wasn’t too high on his game. Thanks for weighing in! I really don’t have that strong of an opinion on the matter.
Long term I'm not sure what his place in the NBA would be without him developing his perimeter shot. He's not that big for NBA standards but in College he would have been just fine. Going to Nova seems like a good place to work on his shot and I think recently he's been showing improved range.
I liked certain intangibles about him. His Effort, BBIQ, has a real knack for getting involved in plays and being around the rim at the right moment. He looked to be of high character and a team player and with all his ties to the program and being a local recruit it seemed like a good fit. I think he was capable of coming here and playing a ton as a freshman and then being a key contributor as a soph and beyond if he stayed. Oh well, I'll wish him luck with Wright
Woodrow said:
After listening to Matt Scott on the podcast that @BShark posted yesterday I honestly think this came down to Nova telling him he could play the 3. Why he thinks he is a 3 is beyond me and most scouts, but hey that's his prerogative.
Could have been the smart play for JRE though. I think they realize he isn't getting taller and its unlikely he'll have an elite athletic attribute that makes him a top NBA pick. But with the shift in the NBA if he develops right at Nova he's got a chance to improve his stock. Not sure Self had that vision for him in his system. We definitely got beat here in this one
looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
BeddieKU23 said:
looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
You knew they were going to fire back after missing on their top targets.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
You knew they were going to fire back after missing on their top targets.
Still surprised UNC wasn't his choice. things changed quick with that one. KU definitely not in a position right now to steal recruits like this last minute
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
looks like Duke gonna steal Boogie Ellis from UNC and Memphis. Daniels with his pick in
You knew they were going to fire back after missing on their top targets.
Still surprised UNC wasn't his choice. things changed quick with that one. KU definitely not in a position right now to steal recruits like this last minute
Definitely not. We will find out a ton about this class before December. If Self lands Stanley and Nnaji, we are back in great class territory. If not, we are looking at a spring time dumpster dive.
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me that much if we worked something out with Doke to stay for his senior year if we whiff on Zeke.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me that much if we worked something out with Doke to stay for his senior year if we whiff on Zeke.
I've said this already but would take.
UNC getting involved with Nnaji. :toilet:
BShark said:
UNC getting involved with Nnaji. :toilet:
jeez. He can't official there though
But also sounds like we don't have a prayer here either if he's looking around after taking 5 visits. Must not have gotten the deal they were looking for
@BeddieKU23 The article I read he is considering going on a un-official.
If he is going to announce around the 24th of November , I really think ya he make an un-official right now I'm not THAT Concerned.
I think if I was Zeke I would be saying if you was interested - I mean really interested- -WHY NOW - why didn't you show that interest earlier? - -I don't think he will land at UNC. - -Nope , after he announces his final five after he has made his final 5 visits?
I mean I know ya it's happened before with players - -I'm just not feeling it with UNC --ROOK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
@BeddieKU23 The article I read he is considering going on a un-official.
If he is going to announce around the 24th of November , I really think ya he make an un-official right now I'm not THAT Concerned.
I think if I was Zeke I would be saying if you was interested - I mean really interested- -WHY NOW - why didn't you show that interest earlier? - -I don't think he will land at UNC. - -Nope , after he announces his final five after he has made his final 5 visits?
I mean I know ya it's happened before with players - -I'm just not feeling it with UNC --ROOK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We'll see in 3 weeks or so. I don't think the 24th has been set in stone either especially if they plan to pay their own dime to get to UNC. This seems like the first step to momentum building in that direction imo
Updated original post.
JRE picked Nova so he's off the board.
Removed Wiseman, Cockburn, Lawson & Achiuwa from consideration. Clear picture on those.
3 prospects remain on the board at the moment. No clear momentum with any right now
BeddieKU23 said:
But also sounds like we don't have a prayer here either if he's looking around after taking 5 visits. Must not have gotten the deal they were looking for
This is the very telling part to me, if they were convinced of anywhere they wouldn't be looking to take another visit.
BeddieKU23 said:
Updated original post.
JRE picked Nova so he's off the board.
Removed Wiseman, Cockburn, Lawson & Achiuwa from consideration. Clear picture on those.
3 prospects remain on the board at the moment. No clear momentum with any right now
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
BShark said:
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
Good thing real games start to distract
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
Good thing real games start to distract
Yep. And to be fair, next year should still be a pretty good team. Self will add some guys plus lots of solid returning players.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Feeling more and more like a dumpster dive spring.
Good thing real games start to distract
Yep. And to be fair, next year should still be a pretty good team. Self will add some guys plus lots of solid returning players.
Oh I'm certain we'll have a quality team. I'm just prepared to whiff on every recruit until the spring time when KU is out of the news cycle
No worries. Coach Self will pull a rabbit from the hat...he always does.:smile:
JayHawkFanToo said:
No worries. Coach Self will pull a rabbit from the hat...he always does.:smile:
We'll see this is a different landscape he's having to navigate. Good thing recruits have short memories. We need other schools to be in the cross-hairs by springtime
BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
No worries. Coach Self will pull a rabbit from the hat...he always does.:smile:
We'll see this is a different landscape he's having to navigate. Good thing recruits have short memories. We need other schools to be in the cross-hairs by springtime
Short memories or they just don't care once they see the coach will still be there. That seems to have been big for Arizona and Louisville.
Just finished reading about Zeke and meeting with North Carolina. Zeke's dad said North Carolina came up an I told them , we are not going to change out timeline. NC said No we don't want you to change - - - So Zeke said If you want to make a compelling pitch - -- you have the floor
NC pitch was - - - - Their pitch was they liked Zeke's skill set , said they thought Zeke was in the mold of Maye only more athletic , they look and want him to stretch the floor - -They see him and Bacot and him co-existing
NC said that it is one of the best programs in the Nation - -if not THE BEST , That they have 3 Championships - -Have a really good strength and Conditioning Coach.
Then here is the part for me that I find--how do I even put it - -anyways Zeke's dad said that ( that Zeke will make a verbal around Thanksgiving and then sign a LOI in the Spring ) - -- -Hmmmm. My question to that is- -WHY - - -I think I know why , I have my own thoughts on that But why do you think? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY?
@jayballer73 Well their initial planned announcement date of Nov 24th is after this early signing period. So they could not sign an NLI if they wait that long to announce.
@BShark Well the early ends on the 24th - but ya he might wait till then or could be a couple of days earlier - actually he stated in another interview - it would be AROUND the 24th - -so could be earlier.
Actually what I think is - - he is one of these types that wanna see in the end run who is gonna leave - -wait and see if any OTHER schools offer him - what he think might be even a better offer - he wouldn't be bound - he could back out of his verbal. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Ends on the 21st
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Ends on the 21st
ok my bad could of swore but can't argue with that - -still that Is what I feel might be another reason why just verbal - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Leverage, especially if KU or Arizona is the school he wants to to go. They can back out if something happens to the schools/coaches
This quote from Wichita State SR Samaje Haynes Jones sums up JUCO ball...
""well we only had 1 or 2 set plays at Hutch and outside of that everybody just kind of did what they did""
Self was in to see Zeke today.
Coaches from Oregon, UCLA and KU expected to stop and meet with Cassius and his dad, then there will be a decision.
BShark said:
Coaches from Oregon, UCLA and KU expected to stop and meet with Cassius and his dad, then there will be a decision.
So my friend do we know or have any idea when this is going to happen with these Coach's ? - Are they all suppose to see him on the same date? - So after they meet , then he will make a decision shortly after that? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Oregon coaches visit is today I believe. Still no official time frame, but it should be during or before the early signing period.
Zeke is going to unofficially visit UNC on November 16&17 and will announce on Nov 23.
Ouch
Texas Tech just picked up a commit from Jahmius Ramsey. Ranked # 33 by 247.
Woodrow said:
Zeke is going to unofficially visit UNC on November 16&17 and will announce on Nov 23.
loooool
Woodrow said:
Texas Tech just picked up a commit from Jahmius Ramsey. Ranked # 33 by 247.
Big pick up for them. Tech has been the favorite for him for a while
At this point I would be shocked if Zeke didn't pick Roy
And... 1 CB pick in already for UNC.
Super obvious that it's UNC now. Rubber stamp visit.
BShark said:
Super obvious that it's UNC now. Rubber stamp visit.
Yup you don't take an unofficial visit to a school that didn't make your Top 5, one week before your deciding, after taking 5 official visits. Nike money wins again
@BeddieKU23 You know , Mabe he will - - Maybe he won't - -end up at UNC - -BUT I'm not buying what you guys are selling as far as the negative spell in this un official to UNC as people are trying to make it out to be - -I'm not buying into that as much as some are maybe he will -BUT - -He made an unofficial - -here and the turned right around the following Weekend and made his official the following weekend or visa versa - - -ya ya UNC wasn't in his final 5 -- - I think some are just over reacting as far a that goes on these visits.
Again I can't day it's a done deal for us - -I CAN'T say it's not a done deal for UNC - - won't surprise me either way at this point- - - -still same time table we will see. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
5* Top 15 Will Baker comitted to Texas.
It won't be Kansas, but I am not sure he even had a commit able offer.
@BShark Mercy. -- It is a good thing that we at least will have a couple coming back. - -It will be vital that Big Dave really puts in some hard work over the summer too. - -Looks like it very well be McCormack and Lightfoot that doesn't look to intimidating at the present-- I think we miss on Hurt too.
Yet you never know Coach might find that overlooked player that slips through the crack.- - I think you have said it-- and I have said multiple times. --I for sure think this FBI thing has for sur hurt our recruiting especially with the Big's The Big's we felt really good about during the off season.
You know OL Roy been talking shit on us- - Wright probably the Same--other Schools really taking advantage of this --Even if there is nothing or not. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Lightfoot won't start. I'd bet money on that.
At this point in time I’m not sure why they wouldn’t recruit and take Chandler. I know most think he’s not very good, but he’s rated higher than the two kids we have.
Woodrow said:
At this point in time I’m not sure why they wouldn’t recruit and take Chandler. I know most think he’s not very good, but he’s rated higher than the two kids we have.
Chandler is a major project. As for the rankings I think McBride is a guy whose skills moreso translates immediately to the D1 level. Not the best athlete but a very good shooter. He looks to me like he will be a very good, 4 year college guard. I'm still pretty w/e on Braun, need to see him play. I think with the position the staff is in, they could regret not really recruiting Chandler but we will have to see how it all shakes out.
Oh and some confirmation : http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/ku-recruiting-scoop/2018/nov/8/kansas-to-see-cassius-stanley-on-friday/ ↗
Per Matt Scott, Kurtis Townsend will visit Cassius tomorrow.
He's picking Oregon though. Swoosh.
Fans would be disappointed in Chandler for a while, he would benefit from a red-shirt and a lot of hard work with the staff. He's not a plug and play recruit despite being in the Top 100 imo.
That's fine we'll see how it plays out. I'm not really playing the negative sell here, its what I think is the reality of the situation.
I don't think KU is even the runner up in his recruitment.
BeddieKU23 said:
That's fine we'll see how it plays out. I'm not really playing the negative sell here, its what I think is the reality of the situation.
I don't think KU is even the runner up in his recruitment.
KU didn't really recruit him, from what I've heard.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
That's fine we'll see how it plays out. I'm not really playing the negative sell here, its what I think is the reality of the situation.
I don't think KU is even the runner up in his recruitment.
KU didn't really recruit him, from what I've heard.
Are you referring to Zeke?
ESPN shows Chandler Lawson ↗ as having an offer from KU.
KU has extended over 40 offers in the class.
Everything out there points to him ending up somewhere else.
Chandler's younger brother Jonathan could be a recruit KU is involved with down the road
JayHawkFanToo said:
ESPN shows Chandler Lawson ↗ as having an offer from KU.
Are we going to go through this again?
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
That's fine we'll see how it plays out. I'm not really playing the negative sell here, its what I think is the reality of the situation.
I don't think KU is even the runner up in his recruitment.
KU didn't really recruit him, from what I've heard.
Are you referring to Zeke?
Ha. Chandler. Zeke is definitely a target.
BeddieKU23 said:
KU has extended over 40 offers in the class.
Everything out there points to him ending up somewhere else.
Chandler's younger brother Jonathan could be a recruit KU is involved with down the road
KU can and should go harrrrd for Jonathan. Hopefully basically passing on Chandler doesn't hurt.
Looks like the clown show might hit town before long ↗. I see zero chance LaMelo plays at KU and a slim chance he even plays college. A coach would have to be crazy or desperate to take on that family's freak show.
Do not want.
Duke gets another 5* in G Boogie Ellis
@Woodrow Not that we were never involves with this kid - but sure sucks to see all these players & talent and then see how we are missing on out targets - -looking like we will end up with a big fat zero on our targets this year - - just sucks -- -JRE - - -Nenji - - - Hurt - -Stanley - - - SOMEONE please remind me again please how this NCAA/FBI - -trial isn't hurting us again - - someone Please - -go Ahead- - I'll wait. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Blue blood recruiting, maybe sans UNC, is going to be subpar this year. UK looks like they're going to whiff on some of their main targets, Dook may be done after getting Ellis, and we're really only chasing Stanley, Hurt, and Nnaji, and guaranteed to get none of them. Weird year.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Blue blood recruiting, maybe sans UNC, is going to be subpar this year. UK looks like they're going to whiff on some of their main targets, Dook may be done after getting Ellis, and we're really only chasing Stanley, Hurt, and Nnaji, and guaranteed to get none of them. Weird year.
Agree.
KU will need to add bodies if they miss on any of these guys (perhaps all three). So it could be that we really don't even know the names of 3-4 guys that will be on the team next year. Unless of course we have some surprise returns, which I wouldn't complain one bit about. Going to be verrrrry interesting.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Blue blood recruiting, maybe sans UNC, is going to be subpar this year. UK looks like they're going to whiff on some of their main targets, Dook may be done after getting Ellis, and we're really only chasing Stanley, Hurt, and Nnaji, and guaranteed to get none of them. Weird year.
Agree.
KU will need to add bodies if they miss on any of these guys (perhaps all three). So it could be that we really don't even know the names of 3-4 guys that will be on the team next year. Unless of course we have some surprise returns, which I wouldn't complain one bit about. Going to be verrrrry interesting.
I’ve never considered KU the favorite for Stanley, and we agree that it would be a big surprise if he were to pick KU, so we’ll look in the spring for another guard. I still think we get at least one of Nnaji and Hurt. Still a chance we have one of Silvio, Dedric, or Doke. One of each group and we’re cooking with gas. Add KJ, Mitch, McCormack and that’s a really good frontline. Dotson, Garrett, Moore, and Ochai are good enough at guard. Whatever we can get from McBride and Braun is a bonus.
Yeah I'm not terribly worried about next year's team. Should be solid.
Ok , so I've been doing some Thunking - - I do that every now and then. So again I was thunking about how we have been doing or losing out some this season Soooo , he is what I was Thunking lol
So let's say IF and this a HUGE If - -BUT if there was some way - -Anyway that Silvio gets cleared and then we could maybe get him to come back for a year next season ( which I really don't see that but ) -- get him to come back - -get KJ to come back having him work really hard during the off Season - -and then Maybe recruit here a little more and maybe pick up Chandler Lawson -I know nothing special but get us that 4 year player - get these 3 guys and then if that played out - wouldn't be so bad ya think? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 - I think we’d be very fortunate. Odds aren’t good, but....
Gorilla72 said:
@jayballer73 - I think we’d be very fortunate. Odds aren’t good, but....
ya kind of just a Christmas wish . -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
Brian Snow dropped a blurb on Zeke Nnaji today.
Down the home stretch for Nnaji
While the recruitment of four-star power forward Zeke Nnaji is coming to an end soon, there remains a lot of mystery surrounding where he will end up playing his college basketball.
Nnaji will make an unofficial visit to North Carolina this weekend, and from there he has a commitment date set for November 23. Because of the timing of this announcement, this means that Nnaji will not be signing during the early signing period. He will wait until the spring to put pen to paper.
This late visit to North Carolina means that the Tar Heels are definitely a major factor. Though North Carolina hasn’t been involved with Nnaji for too long, they were able to get him to make the trip, and also he is doing it on his own dime since he is out of official visits for the year.
Along with the Tar Heels, the main contenders appear to be Arizona and Kansas, though Purdue and UCLA are on the periphery, and do get a little bit of buzz. At least currently Baylor isn’t getting much talk as a serious threat to land his commitment.
Kansas was always kind of the dream school for Nnaji, but the other programs involved have definitely made this a battle. Nnaji still is fond of the Jayhawks, but this is far from a layup for Bill Self and his staff.
Upon returning from North Carolina this weekend, look for Nnaji and his father to really get down to business figuring out what the college decision will be.
A direct and fast path to professional basketball has long been the number one determining factor for Nnaji, and it will be interesting to see which school he feels offers the best opportunity in that regard.
Rivals jumps in on Zeke.
Bossi: There’s no doubt in my mind that the original five finalists are concerned. In fact I bet many are feeling something much stronger than concern. But, this is big-time recruiting and these are the types of things that you have to deal with because a program like North Carolina is one of the few with the brand to jump in late like this. If I’m at any of those other programs, I’m making sure to hammer away at relationships that have been established over time.
Evans: A bit of worry and rightfully so. Nnaji was on the precipice of a decision, focused on a group of five and out of nowhere, North Carolina enters the picture at the last minute and not only offers him, but also gets a visit. Better yet, it is an unofficial visit which just shows how serious he has to be about the program that he is willing to go across the nation on his own dime and see what he Tar Heels can offer just days before committing. Now, Nnaji is not a prospect that is going to be wooed by the name of a school, as evidenced by Kentucky not even making his final list.
Do I think that this is a done deal for North Carolina? No, but of course that could change in the days ahead which could force his other finalists to reconfigure their recruiting board and find alternative options this winter.
McDonald: Nnaji visiting North Carolina has to be concerning for the other schools involved. Most coaches get nervous to begin with when a kid visits and doesn't commit shortly after. Add to that a school like North Carolina coming in and getting an unofficial visit, which obviously means out of his family's pocket, I can't imagine the other schools aren't starting to look at other options at his spot.
I'll have to dig on this guy but maybe one to watch in the spring?
Tre Mitchell 6'9 PF/C #93 rivals, #83 247
RIVALS' REACTION
With Mitchell announcing he’s going to be signing late, it obviously allows time for schools to come in and sway him from the schools that have put in the time to this point in his recruitment. Right now, it’d be hard to argue against Notre Dame and UConn being called the leaders of the pack. This will be an interesting to track throughout his senior year because it wouldn’t be a big surprise if some new high profile schools come into the picture.
Bossi reporting KU/Oregon for Stanley
Checking in at No. 31 overall, the super athletic shooting guard at Chatsworth (Calif.) Sierra Canyon has completed official visits to Kansas, Oregon and UCLA and is in decision-making mode. Thought for a while had been that UCLA could end up the most likely landing spot. However, over the last week or so more talk about Oregon or Kansas being his destination has popped up. Somehow pulling Stanley off of the West Coast would be a pretty big score for the Jayhawks.
Sunday night, Stanley’s father told me a decision date hasn’t yet been set and that the family has to sit down and make a final decision. Though nothing is set, I would be mildly surprised if Stanley doesn’t announce a decision in the relatively near future.
BeddieKU23 said:
I'll have to dig on this guy but maybe one to watch in the spring?
Tre Mitchell 6'9 PF/C #93 rivals, #83 247
RIVALS' REACTION
With Mitchell announcing he’s going to be signing late, it obviously allows time for schools to come in and sway him from the schools that have put in the time to this point in his recruitment. Right now, it’d be hard to argue against Notre Dame and UConn being called the leaders of the pack. This will be an interesting to track throughout his senior year because it wouldn’t be a big surprise if some new high profile schools come into the picture.
I don't think he would have much of an impact. Too bulky, looks like a true center.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I'll have to dig on this guy but maybe one to watch in the spring?
Tre Mitchell 6'9 PF/C #93 rivals, #83 247
RIVALS' REACTION
With Mitchell announcing he’s going to be signing late, it obviously allows time for schools to come in and sway him from the schools that have put in the time to this point in his recruitment. Right now, it’d be hard to argue against Notre Dame and UConn being called the leaders of the pack. This will be an interesting to track throughout his senior year because it wouldn’t be a big surprise if some new high profile schools come into the picture.I don't think he would have much of an impact. Too bulky, looks like a true center.
I'll have to look him up and see what he looks like. Was just scanning this and with him signing late maybe someone the staff evaluates if options dry up
@BeddieKU23 This is no surprise , as far as committing . -- Zeke's dad has said all along that Zeke would not be signing an LOI in the early commit. - They said that he will give a verbal in the fall and then sign his LOI in the spring - -so not really sure why Brian feels the need to print something we already know - - All he is giving a verbal - - Basically in a verbal he can still back out - -in reality I think he is wanting to wait till spring to OFFICALLY commit and sign an LOI to see out of these programs who is coming back and who is not. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
His blurb today was to recap his recruitment plus others in the midwest (Hurt, Carey, Brooks, Davis etc) that haven't committed yet. I was just sharing what's been printed
Crystal ball picks rolling in for Chandler to Georgia Tech.
@BeddieKU23 Yep, probably the only school on his list where that is the case. At KU he might have even been a RS candidate.
@BeddieKU23 Exactly. Makes a lot of sense to pick GT. I don't think Memphis wanted him much tbh.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Exactly. Makes a lot of sense to pick GT. I don't think Memphis wanted him much tbh.
Yeah plus Memphis is big game hunting. Hurt/Watford etc
Oregon set to warmer on 24/7, others at warm. Woo boy.
Edit: Kansas set to "cool" now. Yeah, sounds about right.
Couple more picks for Oregon. He is announcing tomorrow.
Here is the early signing period for KU - - -( Crickets - - - Chirp - - Chirp ) just a snooze. - Can't really remember having such a quiet period as this year. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Here is the early signing period for KU - - -( Crickets - - - Chirp - - Chirp ) just a snooze. - Can't really remember having such a quiet period as this year. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
In 2016 Mitch was the only early signee.
Back to the norm. Not much early activity. A nice bout of hand wringing should ensue... and then somehow it works out.
NLI is in for Braun. Not a surprise, but might as well post it.
BShark said:
NLI is in for Braun. Not a surprise, but might as well post it.
Yippee - -we didn't get shut out. - -Na you know I'm just playing.
Red an article of 247 this morning , they were talking about how schools that were list in this FBI thing - -how they have done in the 2019 recruiting . they listed:
USC is Listed as having the # 1 class for 2019. - --- - -- - Arizona has the # 3- - - - - - in 2019 - - - - - - - - Louisville # 4 - -- - in 2019- - - - - -Auburn # 9- - - - -in 2019 - - - - - - - Oklahoma St - -a top 15 class in 2019 - - - - Miami -- - - - -decent class -- - - - --in 2019 --& - - - - -North Carolina State - - -with kind of a decent class.
So there shouldn't be that much difference with us for what? - -would it be our 2020 class? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Chandler Lawson to Oregon.
Gorilla72 said:
Chandler Lawson to Oregon.
Will be interesting to see about the younger brother - - what is his name ? Jonathan right? Seems like I had heard he might be the best of the group. Wonder how that works out.
Do you think he might follow his brothers? - -or go elsewhere? - -Do we think with we showed very little interest in Chandler might come back and bite us in the ass? - -OR will no have not that much effect if any at all?- -Kind of wonder what daddy Chandler will have to say about the whole thing - - Or will he be the Chandler that stays home and goes to Memphis? - -I hope we hit him hard -- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
NLI also in for McBride.
Not an OAD fan, but not a big fan of 100+ guys either. On the other hand, it's obvious why we're in this position. So I don't think anyone will really complain. Hope not.
I think 75-150 is usually fairly similar.
Mackey will play better then his rank by senior yr
Ship has sailed.... Any name KU is associated with right now is going elsewhere. In the spring we'll see who the staff can recruit after we hopefully have a great year.
ARE KANSAS' CHANCES WITH TOP-10 PLAYER ... HURT?
Will the mess surrounding Kansas right now eventually prevent them from signing Hurt? And if so, who gets his services, in your opinion? #AskEvan
— Andrew (@notorious_acv) November 12, 2018
This is a legitimate question. Do I think Kansas is in good shape with Hurt? Yes, I do. Will Kansas coming up in the FBI impact things? Not sure. It’s possible, but only Hurt and his family would know the answer to that. It does seem like it may impact things with Zeke Nnaji, as it’s one factor that his father, Apham, brought up during a recent interview with 247Sports. Kansas and Arizona coming up in the trial is ultimately what I believe lead to Nnaji setting up a late meeting and trip with North Carolina.
Updated original post. Both verbal commits signed yesterday.
Removed all High Priority recruits at this time. Realistically KU is done recruiting until the spring. Hopefully a great season can salvage this mess
BeddieKU23 said:
Updated original post. Both verbal commits signed yesterday.
Removed all High Priority recruits at this time. Realistically KU is done recruiting until the spring. Hopefully a great season can salvage this mess
The fact that Cassius didn't announce/sign yesterday is good for KU.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Updated original post. Both verbal commits signed yesterday.
Removed all High Priority recruits at this time. Realistically KU is done recruiting until the spring. Hopefully a great season can salvage this mess
The fact that Cassius didn't announce/sign yesterday is good for KU.
Yeah. I'd still be surprised if he signed with KU. Self made it seem like they weren't expecting anymore.
Is Stanley just going to verbal and not sign during the period?
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Updated original post. Both verbal commits signed yesterday.
Removed all High Priority recruits at this time. Realistically KU is done recruiting until the spring. Hopefully a great season can salvage this mess
The fact that Cassius didn't announce/sign yesterday is good for KU.
Yeah. I'd still be surprised if he signed with KU. Self made it seem like they weren't expecting anymore.
Is Stanley just going to verbal and not sign during the period?
That's the hope. If he signs, it's Oregon.
OK . I think that we just have to come to the realization , which I think most have , but we have to just accept that THIS recruiting season has just become a flat out bust.
Now there is some that is not really wanting to think or understand but yet others then me have said this , that is IF you don't think that this FBI thing hasn't effected the recruiting for this year , which it has beyond a show of a doubt that it has - -no doubt it has , and that is having a big impact on this years class.
Zeke's dad has mentioned it , who knows how it has had an impact on others whether they come out publicly or not , Romeo's dad mentioned it afterwards - - who knows what Hurt and his family are thinking. - -Bottom line is right at this point at the major recruits that we have went after we are batting a BIG FAT ZERO. & I'm tellin people that that this FBI thing has at least played even a small pat in that.
There are a number of top prospects that have not signed and with whom KU has the lead or is a strong contender. Very premature to call the recruiting class a bust when the recruiting season is far from done. It would be the equivalent of calling Villanova and Kentucky busts because of one bad game when the bulk of the season is still ahead. I will wait until all recruiting is done before stating and opinion on how good...or bad...the recruiting class is. That is just me. :smile:
JayHawkFanToo said:
There are a number of top prospects that have not signed and with whom KU has the lead
No.
@JayHawkFanToo Well what I posted was just me. - -find your post interesting. - -Not really sure where you get your information to say it is far from a bust.
Only 13 players out of the top 50 still uncommitted , out of that - - -only 2 that even list KU as a possibility - - that being Hurt- -& Nnaji .
Only 21 uncommitted players left in the top 100- - -so out of the top 100 players listed - -again even out of the top 100 players - - - - and of those 21 uncommitted there is only 2 mentioning KU - -Again Hurt and Nnaji. -- So 2 of the top 100 players mentioning interest or receiving any votes to KU - -So just curious what you consider top recruits? - - I mean out of the top 100 - -we have 2, what is your definition of top recruits - -and top recruits that we are leading for? - -just curious - -Then we have Evan Daniels talking about how this FBI things HAS hindered KU's recruiting , saying IF we could still land Hurt- -IF we could and then land another of our targeted top recruits , we could still a decent year - -don't hold your breath on HURT - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
There are a number of top prospects that have not signed and with whom KU has the lead
No.
Exactly , that's what I'm telling him or so what I've seen also - -No - -there are not. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I was kind of seeing the spring cupboard as somewhat bare.
Hope -- we get Matthew Hurt and a helpful grad transfer. We'll likely lose Dedric, Doke, Grimes, Vick -- uh, pretty much our whole starting lineup.
Dotson, Moore, Garrett, Mitch, McCormack. Right?
HighEliteMajor said:
I was kind of seeing the spring cupboard as somewhat bare.
Hope -- we get Matthew Hurt and a helpful grad transfer. We'll likely lose Dedric, Doke, Grimes, Vick -- uh, pretty much our whole starting lineup.
Dotson, Moore, Garrett, Mitch, McCormack. Right?
Ya that's pretty much what I saw as leaving - -then IF Silvio is gone by chance - -that means there 5 leaving - -and we have brought 2 on - -so that means we would have 3 more to offer - -maybe 4. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Someone always works out. Someone will "reopen" their recruitment if KU has a starting spot available.
HighEliteMajor said:
I was kind of seeing the spring cupboard as somewhat bare.
Hope -- we get Matthew Hurt and a helpful grad transfer. We'll likely lose Dedric, Doke, Grimes, Vick -- uh, pretty much our whole starting lineup.
Dotson, Moore, Garrett, Mitch, McCormack. Right?
Things can easily be worked out with Doke or Dedric to return.
Take a look a this chart, ↗ lots of potential players left...
JayHawkFanToo said:
Take a look a this chart, ↗ lots of potential players left...
No, no, CUT KU SERIOUSLY LOL, CUT KU, no, Purdue or UNC, CUT KU, CUT KU, nah and might skip college, CUT KU, CUT KU, maybe actually, no, what???, NO.
That's in order, not counting Braun or McBride since they committed.
KU will get guys, not worried about that. The only one on that list that KU has a shot at is Stanley though, and I still think he ends up at Oregon but him not signing yesterday was good.
We still have a great shot at Hurt. Get him and everything is dandy.
BShark said:
KU will get guys, not worried about that. The only one on that list that KU has a shot at is Stanley though, and I still think he ends up at Oregon but him not signing yesterday was good.
Well it is coming to Christmas -- -doesn't hurt to have a wish list lol. - -I was thinking about the same thing , I've made my post on this , came from 247 - -were not leading for anyone that is left other then Hurt Nnaji we are even right now - -other then that we got NOTHING. - - I mean ya sure Stanley has thought about us- -but to think we are pulling him off the Coast doesn't look good. - -other then that - - no one is eve mentioning us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Dotson is coming back so no top pg prospect will be coming. Too much mystery in the post for a big time post player to commit at this point - Dedrick?, Dok?, McCormack? DeSousa??? Otherwise Mitch isn’t scaring anyone off. That leaves the wing - I’m not sure why a big time wing prospect hasn’t considered KU for 19 considering Bill’s track record at the position. Grimes should be gone. Only Garret and KJ returning means big minutes are up for grabs for an elite wing talent.
When playing time is obviously open is when KU does it’s best recruiting. Kids just don’t come seem to Kansas as often to sit on the bench as they will Kentucky.
As far as wings, staff seems high on Agbaji who they are stashing to have ready for next season. Agree though we somehow missed on almost every other blue chip wing we went after. Stanley is a wing imo in Self's offense so maybe a miracle happens and we get him.
We blew the Sam Williamson recruitment, that should have been the wing KU has in the fold right now. Missed on Jalen Wilson because we didn't sink our teeth enough to beat Michigan for him. I think he's a future pro in time. Achiuwa & Josh Green were always pipe-dreams. We got Braun who they like as an interchangeable perimeter option and he's 6'5, 6'6 and might still be growing.
Self has his work cut out for him in the upcoming months
HighEliteMajor said:
I was kind of seeing the spring cupboard as somewhat bare.
Hope -- we get Matthew Hurt and a helpful grad transfer. We'll likely lose Dedric, Doke, Grimes, Vick -- uh, pretty much our whole starting lineup.
Dotson, Moore, Garrett, Mitch, McCormack. Right?
Agree, its bare right now. @BShark could be right about the staff trying to recruit Dedric or Doke at season's end to stay in some way. Both in similar situations that Frank, Devonte & Svi were in after their Jr years. The NBA is not drooling over them no matter what they do this year. You get one of them to pair with Dotson and its about maximizing the talent around those two.
Hurt would be a huge signing in the post if the Dedric/Doke boat is a lost cause. KU would still need a 4th big which is where the Silvio situation factors in. I would like to think by spring KU knows what its dealing with for Silvio. A Hurt/Silvio/Mitch/McCormack 4 stack is not the worst combination we've had.
Outside of the post situation being in flux we really need an impact guard. Losing Grimes/Vick will really sting. Garrett, Moore, KJ not going to cut it. Cassius Stanley would help some but he comes with his shortcomings as well. Probably ranked as high as he is because he's an elite athlete but not even close to the all around players that Grimes/Vick are right now.
At least Self's recruiting message should be clear and resonate with kids in the spring. He'll have starters minutes to hand out. Can't beat that unless the FBI thing still looms
@BeddieKU23 @jayballer73 @FarmerJayhawk @Kcmatt7 Nugget from Scott Chasen.
"An interesting post-game note... Dedric Lawson shouted out his little brother. I asked him in a smaller session what he thought of the announcement (Chandler Lawson committed to Oregon). He said that Chandler wanted to be a Jayhawk but they weren't able to make that fit work."
Makes sense. KU wasn’t that interested because Chandler isn’t that good.
He is pretty good but you have to be better than that to get meaningful playing time at KU.
We are struggling to get kJ mins
Crimsonorblue22 said:
We are struggling to get kJ mins
Agree and Chandler is not as good as KJ therefore this decision.
@Crimsonorblue22 Errol Flynn.
Thought you'd be old enough. :thinking:
The Miles hire can only help basketball recruiting. Fall visits become a lot more fun with a full Memorial and the Hatter on the sideline.
https://247sports.com/Player/Tre-Mitchell-46043234/ ↗
KU getting involved.
@BeddieKU23 was it you that brought up this kid before?
BShark said:
https://247sports.com/Player/Tre-Mitchell-46043234/ ↗
KU getting involved.
@BeddieKU23 was it you that brought up this kid before?
Short and lacking explosion. But he has touch around the rim and we have had worse.
Well just don't count us out YET on Zeke. - -Know been said Zeke's family nervous about this FBI thing -BUT when I was doing my troll thing - scoping out other message boards,
N Carolina fans a lot think they just got in to late , and some posters said that Zeke and them left from the recruiting visit early - like left to go home eany Saturday instead of staying the 3 days, - -Now is there any truth to that? - -who know for sure - -but that is what's on their board. - -I haven't seen the fat lady yet - - -haven't heard her singing yet - -so guess we will find out Friday , MAYBE -- just MAYBE we can pull him off yet. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Wiseman is announcing tomorrow on ESPN. Of course he’s going to Memphis but still newsworthy.
Woodrow said:
Wiseman is announcing tomorrow on ESPN. Of course he’s going to Memphis but still newsworthy.
Not so fast, Evan Playah Daniels put in a UK CB.
But yeah, probably Memphis. Either them or UK as it always was.
Woah. That would be devastating for Memphis.
BShark said:
https://247sports.com/Player/Tre-Mitchell-46043234/ ↗
KU getting involved.
@BeddieKU23 was it you that brought up this kid before?
Yes it was me. Just seemed like the type of recruit we get involved with. But I'm not impressed with film. He looks like he can shoot a little at least as a big
Playah changed his pick to Memphis lol.
CaL dIdNt waNt HiM anYwAYS
Anthony Edwards reclassifying to 2019. FSU lock
Kcmatt7 said:
CaL dIdNt waNt HiM anYwAYS
A+ post.
This is the year the Squid loses favor at Tucky. Those preseason number 1 rankings have the Blue Herd in a frothing frenzy after Dook. Wiseman reminds us that he's starting to miss out on players that used to be a cinch. He's losing a step, and his teams look pretty mediocre. The Herd won't stand for another bad season.
I don't think Cal losing Wiseman is a that big of a deal long term recruiting for Cal. Penny was his HS coach, is a Memphis legend coaching at Memphis now. Penny flipping Wiseman was not surprising and I think we're going to see Penny close the border around Memphis the same way Cal did when he was there.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I expected him to miss on Wiseman. The point is he has now missed on a bunch of top post targets and things don't look good on remaining prospects.
@BShark Self had a bad stretch in recruiting as well in 2012 and 2013 with a lot of missed guard targets. It ultimately worked out with Mason and Graham, but neither were anywhere near the top of Self's target list.
I really don't think it'll end up being a bad thing for Cal to miss out on OAD boys fir a couple of years. He'll end up with some program guys and his title team was mostly returning players. With the OAD rule likely going away with the next NBA CBA, having upperclassmen won't be a bad thing for Cal.
Kahlil Whitney still hasn't signed with UK. Will sign in the spring. :thinking:
@FarmerJayhawk You hearing anything on this?
@BShark I have no clue but I would guess part of Kentucky’s problem recruiting bigs right now is the depth they have at the position. Nobody has any idea who is going to be there next year. Obviously Travis is gone, but other than that there isn’t any lottery picks so they could all come back. I wouldn’t be surprised if all of Richards, Montgomery, and a Washington all left or all came back.
Well even though seems like a lot of people now saying it's a forgone conclusion that Nnaji is going to commit to N Carolina , I think I'll just go ahead and hang on t that sliver 0f possibility of hope - till the announcement tomorrow.- -For sure no reason to other then just because. - -Just think it's seems a lil just be off/funny that Evan Daniels has yet to make his CB for N Carolina , he is usually pretty good , and most other analysts seem to follow his lead. - - -. -- -He usually doesn't post a CB until after he has gotten word from the recruit or his parents leaked out to him BEFORE others then is when he usually post his CB
So I think I'll just hang on and even at this late date in his recruitment - -KU still is showing an edge in the CB - not saying at all that he isn't going to commit to UNC - -but just going to ride it out - -bring back the lone ranger. and slap that fat lady , one way or another we shall see Tomorrow -have a great night my friends. - . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY -
So did I miss it OR did Stanley not sign in the early period? - -IF he didn't commit early then I would think that should help us . I would think. Think that would mean were still in the game , cause if he was going to Sign or knew that he was going to commit to Oregon or UCLA then he would of done that now. - -so were still there. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
So did I miss it OR did Stanley not sign in the early period? - -IF he didn't commit early then I would think that should help us . I would think. Think that would mean were still in the game , cause if he was going to Sign or knew that he was going to commit to Oregon or UCLA then he would of done that now. - -so were still there. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He did not, and yes it is good for KU.
Daniels just put in a pick for Zona. Seems like Zeke has kept this pretty tight and not many leaks. Should now ninth eject 30 minutes.
Arizona it is for Zeke.
Zona now has the #1 ranked class for 2019. Doing just fine in the wake of the FBI stuff.
Woodrow said:
Zona now has the #1 ranked class for 2019. Doing just fine in the wake of the FBI stuff.
All will crumble in the spring
@BeddieKU23 - hoping so....
Woodrow said:
Zona now has the #1 ranked class for 2019. Doing just fine in the wake of the FBI stuff.
ya it's just crazy how they have re grouped after this FBI thing in their following year - - must have gotten afresh shipments of Thousand Dollar bills in lmao
It seems AZ has been under the radar since the payment thing last spring. The so-called recording never surfaced, nothing happened to Miller and that whole thing just died.
KU, on the other hand, is front and center. KU needs another trial and serious incriminating evidence against AZ, Duke, Oregon or someone in order to make this aura of “cheating” to settle down. Also, SDS becoming eligible would go a long way!
Arizona has a former assistant on trial in the spring.
But man, they are still out there dropping bags. Wild.
Yes.... I don't get why we are apparently hurt by the FBI thing and Zona keeps rolling along. Man.
@Gorilla72 The information implicating Arizona involving Stumpy was based on someone supposedly having listened to leaked unreleased FBI recordings. The issues involving KU, like it or not, were raised in evidence (both admitted and only proffered) and attorney arguments in an actual trial. The big difference here was supposedly an NCAA investigation and okay for UA last spring to play the guy getting the money, but KU has gotten no resolution. It may be due to the qualitative difference between rumored evidence and more concrete info (which I still contend is not very probative). KU, by keeping SDS out, gets ongoing attention as each game goes by.
Arizona is a Nike school so it has been spared so far. There is no way in God’s green earth that Nike is not paying orders of magnitude more than Adidas or Under Armour.
I keep thinking that maybe the FBI is just practicing with Adidas and preparing to go after the real big fish, Nike.
BShark said:
Kahlil Whitney still hasn't signed with UK. Will sign in the spring. :thinking:
@FarmerJayhawk You hearing anything on this?
Don’t think there’s much to it. Probably just keeping his options open in case Cal bolts to the NBA or something weird happens.
Hurt visiting Kentucky this weekend and is setting up OV to Duke, UNC, and KU.
Jaemyn Brakefield might reclass. KU firmly in play from the sound of it. This would um, salvage KU's class quite nicely.
Woodrow said:
Hurt visiting Kentucky this weekend and is setting up OV to Duke, UNC, and KU.
So kind of wondering , if this is how his visits are going to be played out - -wonder if this means we are getting the last visit? If it is , I think I could like that. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I would imagine Memphis/Indiana push for that 5th visit as well.
BeddieKU23 said:
I would imagine Memphis/Indiana push for that 5th visit as well.
TRUE. - -I think the 5th might be Memphis over Indiana. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I agree. Hurt's relationship with their assistant will likely get them an official.
KU makes recent reclassified 2020 stud Anthony Edwards "top 8". Edwards is the #4 ranked prospect via 247 for the 19 class
Duke, FSU (perceived leader), UK, UNC, Georgia, UCLA, Michigan St round out the rest. A who's who. Probably just a courtesy mention but we'll see if KU can get an official, he is in the process of setting them up
BeddieKU23 said:
KU makes recent reclassified 2020 stud Anthony Edwards "top 8". Edwards is the #4 ranked prospect via 247 for the 19 class
Duke, FSU (perceived leader), UK, UNC, Georgia, UCLA, Michigan St round out the rest. A who's who. Probably just a courtesy mention but we'll see if KU can get an official, he is in the process of setting them up
It's done to FSU.
BeddieKU23 said:
KU makes recent reclassified 2020 stud Anthony Edwards "top 8". Edwards is the #4 ranked prospect via 247 for the 19 class
Duke, FSU (perceived leader), UK, UNC, Georgia, UCLA, Michigan St round out the rest. A who's who. Probably just a courtesy mention but we'll see if KU can get an official, he is in the process of setting them up
I duno I think we just might actually have a shot at this kid. -- ROC CHALK ALL AY LONG BABY
No
@JayHawkFanToo Upvoted your post because you are a good person, and you think that justice will finally come around to all. I love the way you think, but I don't think anything will happen to Nike, ever. If anything, I think Nike schools will do way more in the future while the Adidas schools will get hammered over the slightest infraction. Zion Williams is literally playing on the court with $100 bills sticking out of his socks, and never a word is spoken. This is two kinds of justice : death penalty type punishment for non-Nike schools, total indifference to the most egregious acts done by Nike schools.
@jayballer73 0%
BShark said:
@jayballer73 0%
never say never - -comes back to bite you in the ass. - -So what your saying is like 0% chance with Ayton right - -right up until the time he Announced for Arizona
Edwards is not considering KU.
BShark said:
Edwards is not considering KU.
Article says different. - -final 8 so we must be there some where. - Your just a bundle of sunshine MR negativity - -lol
Not quite. According to him ↗ KU is one of the schools recruiting him the hardest...and, Lil Yachty who was the headliner at Late Night last year is his favorite rapper, so KU has that going for it. :smile:
I'll be here for both of you when he commits to FSU.
BShark said:
I'll be here for both of you when he commits to FSU.
Oh you just crack me up - - your sun shiny outlook just blinds me lmao - -your still ok - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
I'll be here for both of you when he commits to FSU.
OH and it's ok - - -really - -I'm a big boy , I don't need anybody to be here for me - - I'll be just fine- - but thanks anyways , good looking out lmao. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Looks like Hurt's dad is falling for the salesman in kentucky
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Hurt's dad is falling for the salesman in kentucky
Did the FedEx envelope arrived unopened? :smiley_cat:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Hurt's dad is falling for the salesman in kentucky
why do you say that?
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Hurt's dad is falling for the salesman in kentucky
why do you say that?
His father gushing over how genuine Calipari is.
@BeddieKU23 🤮😡
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Hurt's dad is falling for the salesman in kentucky
why do you say that?
His father gushing over how genuine Calipari is.
ya - - ok lol. -- -OR it could be OL Cal is in desperate times for bigs lol
Kentucky has always been more of a player for Hurt than many thought. If you believe articles from UK writers anyway. I'm not too surprised though.
Would take Tristan Enaruna.
Braun looked really good tonight against Blue Springs.
BShark said:
Braun looked really good tonight against Blue Springs.
Good to hear. Were you there?
February 2 for Hurt’s visit, his last official.
@FarmerJayhawk did he schedule all his visits?
I like the fact we got the last one.
Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk did he schedule all his visits?
I like the fact we got the last one.
Tentatively yes. Same here. You generally want the first or last one.
Braun looking really good:
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Braun has good height which will help him. If he can put on some good muscle it will be interesting to see where he is at development wise by year 3. I expect unless the cupboard is bare that he's a red-shirt candidate. This is the type of kid you'll get your value in those later years
Future Ron Baker type of player?
JayHawkFanToo said:
Future Ron Baker type of player?
Excellent comp idea. I haven't seen enough of Braun to say that's accurate but if his floor is Ron Baker down the road I'm sure we can all live with that. I like his shooting ability and it looks like he can put the ball on the floor so in KU's offense, in time, he's an ideal wing and I can see why they got him signed. I'm intrigued to see how he fits here
Update on Matthew Hurt. He took his visit to Kentucky.
Where do you go from here?
I’m going to take an official visit to UNC, not this weekend but the weekend after for UNC vs Gonzaga which is the 15th of December. Then I’m going to take an official visit to Duke in January for the Duke vs Virginia game, whichever weekend that is and then I’m going to visit Kansas in February I think.
Feb 2nd vs Texas Tech or Feb 16 vs West Virginia fit his February visit talk.
What do you say about the perception that Kansas is out in front for you?
Most people are saying that because I played for Self at USA in June but I mean I don’t have a leader right now, everyone has the same chance so I would put them overtop of anybody, people can think whatever they want but everyone has the same chance right now.
Sounds just like JRE, doesn't want to be tied to KU..
USA ball didn’t help any other coach before so it’s naive of us to think it would help Self. KU whiffed in this class. And they really, really need to land a post player. They have a starting spot to give out next season, but nobody wants it. I’m hoping something shakes out this Spring.
Bamba landed at Texas because of his relationship formed with Shaka. It does happen.
Look at Duke's recruiting edge with K coaching NBA superstars from time to time.
The FBI impact has killed any advantage Self could have gained from coaching USA ball this past summer. I highly doubt JRE goes to Nova without the trial. Hurt will go elsewhere as well because of this.
I definitely agree we need a big, not just any, one that can start at minimum. We need multiple bigs really because I can't imagine Silvio gets to play here anymore. Unless we somehow gain traction with a top 2019 recruit hopefully there are some graduate transfers worth getting in the spring.
And we better pray to every basketball god Dotson sticks around after this year because the way he's playing he's going to have a tough decision by seasons end.
Anyone have a Rivals subscription? I saw a tweet from them saying they added a name to their "hot board" but haven't seen any other tweets referencing a new name.
I know Self was out recruiting yesterday / last night and wondering if he was watching someone new...
@BeddieKU23 Was there a recruit in last week? My daughter was on a shuttle at KCI with a tall player and coaches decked out in KU garb.
Woodrow said:
Anyone have a Rivals subscription? I saw a tweet from them saying they added a name to their "hot board" but haven't seen any other tweets referencing a new name.
I know Self was out recruiting yesterday / last night and wondering if he was watching someone new...
I don't but I will do some digging later.
@Barney that might have been a football recruit. Did you see what coaches? Tia
Vernon Carey to Duke
Woodrow said:
Vernon Carey to Duke
I'm stunned. Not. But thanks for posting it of course.
Duke has completely replaced UK as the featured destination for top prospects; Nike has probably realized it gets a better ROI from Duke than Kentucky. UK is no longer looking that good and fans are tired of the revolving door approach and not having players to cheer for more than a few months before they are gone. The squid must be looking at the NBA because the Kentucky natives are getting restless. Coach K will eventually retire barely one step ahead of the law.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Anyone have a Rivals subscription? I saw a tweet from them saying they added a name to their "hot board" but haven't seen any other tweets referencing a new name.
I know Self was out recruiting yesterday / last night and wondering if he was watching someone new...
I don't but I will do some digging later.
@Barney that might have been a football recruit. Did you see what coaches? Tia
Okay so knowing Shay's dumb ass it might be Achiuwa. That would be incredibly stupid but who knows... Norm is checking in with Achiuwa tomorrow night.
Could be Edwards, that would be equally stupid.
I would hope it's Enaruna, I think KU could get him.
Hopefully someone with premium there can chime in but I can't imagine paying for Slant premium...
There is a picture of Achiuwa next to the article, so I would guess it's him. Shay is clueless.
Woodrow said:
Anyone have a Rivals subscription? I saw a tweet from them saying they added a name to their "hot board" but haven't seen any other tweets referencing a new name.
I know Self was out recruiting yesterday / last night and wondering if he was watching someone new...
NORM ROBERTS WAS WACTH 2020 BIG MAN HUNTER DICKINSON A 7-FOOT-2 YESTERDAY
Not so fast. Remember Ayton was his own words ↗ considering only Kansas and the famous (or infamous) crystal ball had him going to KU 100%? Recruitment is not done until the player signs with a program.
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
Woodrow said:
Anyone have a Rivals subscription? I saw a tweet from them saying they added a name to their "hot board" but haven't seen any other tweets referencing a new name.
I know Self was out recruiting yesterday / last night and wondering if he was watching someone new...
NORM ROBERTS WAS WACTH 2020 BIG MAN HUNTER DICKINSON A 7-FOOT-2 YESTERDAY
He just looks like a Notre Dame player. Like physically. The next Harangody lol.
Not surprised we are circling back to Achiuwa. Big fan of him, just wish he came without baggage (handler's etc)
If I were betting now, the most likley 2019 player we land is still Kai Jones. After Shaka finally gets the overdue boot.
Kcmatt7 said:
If I were betting now, the most likley 2019 player we land is still Kai Jones. After Shaka finally gets the overdue boot.
Knowing what I know about his situation I would disagree but crazier things have happened
@BeddieKU23 Right. He probably got paid to go there. But once Shaka is out, I'd bet he's fair game again.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Right. He probably got paid to go there. But once Shaka is out, I'd bet he's fair game again.
Yeah and FSU went elsewhere after being out-bidded for him so if Shaka did get canned it would be interesting to see how that plays out as the incentives in play for him to still go to Texas would be hard to pass on, especially for others in his camp
BeddieKU23 said:
Not surprised we are circling back to Achiuwa. Big fan of him, just wish he came without baggage (handler's etc)
Great player. Heard he isn't interested in college ball.
Enaruna is a legit possibility.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Enaruna is a legit possibility.
Who is - - -THAT? never heard of him
FarmerJayhawk said:
Enaruna is a legit possibility.
Want hard.
Self was went and saw Anthony Edwards yesterday.
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Enaruna is a legit possibility.
Who is - - -THAT? never heard of him
Top 100 SF, 6'8 very athletic Euro player that is finishing high school ball in the US. Very intriguing option. Could possibly be a small ball 4 if put on 20 pounds
@BeddieKU23 - 247Sports shows us as “cool” interest. Dunno if that’s cool from KU or Enaruna....
Gorilla72 said:
@BeddieKU23 - 247Sports shows us as “cool” interest. Dunno if that’s cool from KU or Enaruna....
They just entered the discussion for him so if KU can gain some traction that would change
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Not surprised we are circling back to Achiuwa. Big fan of him, just wish he came without baggage (handler's etc)
Great player. Heard he isn't interested in college ball.
He could always pull a Ben Simmons but Self wouldn't let that fly.
Been really quiet on the recruiting front. - - - Ha anybody hear anything at all on the recruiting front with the Stanley Camp? - - I OV'd with us right? - -know we are in the final 3 I think we got a good shot but just been really quiet -- Anybody? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
In his latest interview I believe he was asked if any other schools had the chance to enter his recruitment and he didn't shut the door on that happening. Doesn't seem like he or his dad have got the deal they are looking for. But two of the programs they are considering are also potentially in the NCAA crosshairs after the season as well. I thought he'd at least verbal to whatever school he was going to at this point. Certainly doesn't seem like KU is going to be his landing place but that's just the current vibe and could certainly change..
BeddieKU23 said:
In his latest interview I believe he was asked if any other schools had the chance to enter his recruitment and he didn't shut the door on that happening. Doesn't seem like he or his dad have got the deal they are looking for. But two of the programs they are considering are also potentially in the NCAA crosshairs after the season as well. I thought he'd at least verbal to whatever school he was going to at this point. Certainly doesn't seem like KU is going to be his landing place but that's just the current vibe and could certainly change..
Oh now see I just listened to an interview from a rivals lady - -and she asked him if any other schools could sneak in at this point - -and he said No , he didn't think so - -he had already been through this once -So it's just us three
Twitter rumors about Jahvon Quinerly being unhappy at Villanova. Maybe transferring at semester. He’s only played 69 minutes so far this year, averaging 2.7 ppm and 1.1 assists. What happened here? I know KU was interested at one time...
Played 1 minute against Penn.
Just looks like a situation where a kid isn't getting his way or what he expected when he signed. Nova lost a lot of guys from last year so I'm sure Quinerly had high expectations of a big role from the start. Wright likes guys that want to work hard and trust in the process to be developed. I think Wright has put some tough love on him and he doesn't seem to be responding the way Wright wants either.
Your right, wrong interview I was thinking of. Interesting to see what they are waiting on
KU has an open scholly... Would take.
BShark said:
KU has an open scholly... Would take.
With Dotson creeping up draft boards another PG could be needed
If he's going to transfer, now would be the time. He'd be eligible at semester next season...
And a year to practice to get up to speed, so you don’t have this pity party again. Bill Self - transfers preferred destination. Works well both ways, Self’s system like Wright’s demands time to learn. Learn it in the off year and shine!
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
KU has an open scholly... Would take.
With Dotson creeping up draft boards another PG could be needed
At best just one more year of Dotson I think.
Nova has 2-3 solid starting guard plus Cremo the shooter coming off the bench. I am sure he was (unrealistically) thinking he would start and be the star of the team and perhaps not working hard and expecting playing time is not playing well at Nova and would not play well at KU either. Not surprised Quinerly is not getting much playing time.
BeddieKU23 said:
Your right, wrong interview I was thinking of. Interesting to see what they are waiting on
Let's see , It's UCLA - -Oregon - -And KU isn't it? - - if that's Right - -there is some rumblings that Alford's future at UCLA may be a change there - - then Oregon has it's issues with the NCAA and possible probation - -and then Us - -were not out of the woods either but still - -I still kind of get the feel we might be in better shape then some think - -time will tell I reckon - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
KU has an open scholly... Would take.
With Dotson creeping up draft boards another PG could be needed
are we talking about Quin here? - -if we are I would take also -know we had offered him , - and if we are talking the same line - -ya if Devon keeps moving up then ya he could slide in. - - However selfishly - -I HOPE Devon comes back at least for another year lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think we are in a great position as well but getting a Cali kid to leave that comfort zone still has me worried. Oregon still feels like the favorite despite their roster that's full of SG's and wing types. Stanley could be a real momentum changer for KU going into the spring recruiting period
Selfishly I want Devon around 4 years. So far he's exceeded even the high expectations I had for him. I'm downright scared he leaves after the year if he starts creeping up into the late first round discussion.
And yes the discussion was about Quin. If he does transfer out at semester's end it would be very interesting to see what schools even have room for him like KU does currently. He'll be in Lawrence as well this weekend which is really a potential benefit if he did leave
BeddieKU23 said:
I think we are in a great position as well but getting a Cali kid to leave that comfort zone still has me worried. Oregon still feels like the favorite despite their roster that's full of SG's and wing types. Stanley could be a real momentum changer for KU going into the spring recruiting period
Stanley actually feels like an almost need for us - - - after so many misses this season , really need him - -a big need for that position also. - - Agree gonna be hard - -been hearing that Oregon is leading now - -hopefully Bill and staff stays all over him and we can pull him out. - -I know he really enjoyed his visit. - -we just HAVE to close out - convince him - it's here for the taking. - -I think he could step right in. - -could really help salvage this year.
He said in his interview though he is in no hurry to commit , possibly sit down with his parents in a bit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Selfishly I want Devon around 4 years. So far he's exceeded even the high expectations I had for him. I'm downright scared he leaves after the year if he starts creeping up into the late first round discussion.
And yes the discussion was about Quin. If he does transfer out at semester's end it would be very interesting to see what schools even have room for him like KU does currently. He'll be in Lawrence as well this weekend which is really a potential benefit if he did leave
YA dum me. - -Hadn't even made that connection that's right he will be here this weekend. - - If he is even remotely thinking about transferring then when he is here this weekend he be able to see what it's like game time - -you now the Phog is going to be insane. - -couldn't hurt. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Evidently Quinerly posted this on instagram ↗ right after Nova's loss to Penn last night. He deleted it shortly after posting.
Also hearing that Quade Green isn't happy with his playing time at Kentucky and may transfer. Washington is the rumor as far as transfer destination.
Sounds like Quade Green might be transferring out of Kentucky as well.
He is, here is a link... ↗
A bad shooting UK team loses it's best shooter... NIT in coming. I can feel it
Why doesn't he have to sit?
He will have to sit until spring semester next yr unless he granted a waiver which seems extremely unlikely
@Crimsonorblue22 I think the "without restrictions" in the article is just about where he can go, including to schools in conference.
@BeddieKU23 I looked for confirmation of the sit out, and finally found it. In Louisville, the best source for UK news!
Green would be an amazing addition, but seems like a foregone conclusion he ends up in Washington.
While Green is easily the best 3 point shooter, he also has 15 turnover and only 8 assists in the last 5 games in limited playing time and a liability on defense and hence his shrinking playing time.
Green was caught in a tough spot. He's a good shooter, but on the small side and doesn't have the elite athleticism to make up for it. He can land at a lower P5 school and probably be their starting PG for a couple of years after sitting out, but I don't think he is a miracle solution anywhere, just a steady hand to help get things in line.
BShark said:
Green would be an amazing addition, but seems like a foregone conclusion he ends up in Washington.
Seems like he's basically Charlie Moore to me....
Just saw KU is getting a official from Kofi Cockburn
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Woodrow said:
Just saw KU is getting a official from Kofi Cockburn
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Don't even want tbh.
Can never have enough big bodies. Going to need some guys if we lose 3 bigs.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Can never have enough big bodies. Going to need some guys if we lose 3 bigs.
Beggars can't be choosers but I'd really prefer a springy forward that can defend the perimeter.
Ok here is a question I got. - - -With the funk Quentin is in right now - - -we are roughly like through a 1/3 of the way through the season - -so let me ask if Quentin can't get this thing turned around by let's say oh 1/2 through the conference season then the question become - - - - Do anybody think that there is a chance even the slightest chance that Quentin would come back for a Soph season?
The easy logical answer would be he for should - -but the question here is do you think he would? - Because currently his draft status is in a rapid free fall - - cause Currently he is such a deep funk -- really got in his head. At this point I just think he is just over thinking the game to much. -- Just go out and play -- just turn it loose just go play.
Not only has he lost his shot - - he is not even making layups right now. - - he is making horrible decisions -- making bad passes - -he is hurting the team actually - - -not really rebounding - -not scoring - -turning the ball over - -gettin himself in foul trouble - right now is just plain LOST. On top of that Coach Self's leash is getting shorter and shorter with him -which I think sometimes you just got to let a kid play through things - -if it get's to a point where to he is constantly looking at the bench to see if he is gonna get yanked -- that's not good. -- So what you think? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 If Q does not come back, then that means transfer, because if he does not make huge improvements, he has no other options.
And I am not for sure we will lose 3 bigs. DLawson and who else?
You can declare for the draft and not get drafted. Happens a lot. Hopefully Grimes stays though.
@BShark That is true. But at the rate he is going he would not get a drink of water in the G League. Not sure how many undrafted make it to the show, probably not many. Whether he stays or not, we really need Stanley to push the guards and for some scoring. Sure hope Ochai turns into a steal.
BShark said:
You can declare for the draft and not get drafted. Happens a lot. Hopefully Grimes stays though.
at THIS POINT _ _ _ _as of today---he sure the hell needs too taking a huge nose dive in prospect
Kofi Cockburn narrowed his list to 5 and KU was among them. Working on setting up visits to KU, Uconn, Pitt & St Johns. Illinois is up first for him.
I think Kofi is window dressing KU on his list and not a serious threat to leave the North East. He really isn't the type of big KU needs in this cycle either
Oh and for those that care. Matthew Hurt took his 2nd official visit over the weekend to UNC as they beat Gonzaga. I'm sure that game had some impact on his recruitment to date. KU is supposed to get a visit in February but nothing has been set in stone either.
Jaemyn Brakefield is still being talked about as a possible reclass to the 19 class. KU definitely is involved but I wouldn't be surprised if others did as well if that talk continues to heat up.
BeddieKU23 said:
Oh and for those that care. Matthew Hurt took his 2nd official visit over the weekend to UNC as they beat Gonzaga. I'm sure that game had some impact on his recruitment to date. KU is supposed to get a visit in February but nothing has been set in stone either.
He doesn't seem too thrilled to visit KU tbh.
BeddieKU23 said:
I'm sure farmer prolly thinks KU still sits well with him but I dont see it
You’d be correct. I think it’s KU or Carolina. People are reading too much into him taking the process slowly. Like I’ve been saying, until recently he’s been more interested in his HS football team than college basketball. If folks think that means KU isn’t getting him, I don’t see the connection.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I'm sure farmer prolly thinks KU still sits well with him but I dont see it
You’d be correct. I think it’s KU or Carolina. People are reading too much into him taking the process slowly. Like I’ve been saying, until recently he’s been more interested in his HS football team than college basketball. If folks think that means KU isn’t getting him, I don’t see the connection.
I haven't seen anything - - anywhere where he said he wasn't interested in KU anymore
Which game do you think he makes it in for? Texas Tech Feb 2nd or West Virginia on the 16th if he follows up on visiting in February
Based om play to date. the Texas Tech. game will likely be between two top 10 teams and will be nationally featured with conference title implications; the West Virginia game not so much.
BeddieKU23 said:
Which game do you think he makes it in for? Texas Tech Feb 2nd or West Virginia on the 16th if he follows up on visiting in February
I’ve heard Tech on the 2nd.
Nice, that could be a great game to attend.
TTech will find out what they are made of tomorrow night at Duke. Looks like Ol' Roy plans on coaching forever. Eight year extension.
He is only 68, so he will be 76 at the end of his contract, not really that uncommon anymore. Coach K is 71and his contract goes to 2021 so there is a chance he retires then at age 75 although he might stay on just annoy the rest of the country.
The eight year extension is a thank you. Much like Snyder's five year extension. It also can help in recruiting for at least a while to take ammo away from other coaches saying he won't be around a player's full four years. It really has nothing to do with whether the coach actually intends to coach that long. There may even be some sort of buyout that also the parachute to be pulled at a certain point in time.
Good points. I will guess UNC and Coach Williams are looking for his replacement and once they find him they will start the transition. At this time I am not sure who they would pick; some of his assistants that were also his player there and at KU are not quite at the elite level UNC would expect and UNC likes coaches within the family.
@JayHawkFanToo After UNCs last job search, they can go screw themselves.
@HighEliteMajor Matt Doherty should be available for you guys... ( lol ...j/k )
Quade Green to Washington. As expected.
Good spot for him to land. Washington definitely had a need for a PG
KU made the top 5 for Anthony Edwards, along with FSU (his very likely destination), UNC, UGA, and UK.
Self and Howard are going to to see Hurt play tonight.
Alford is about to get canned at UCLA. Could help with Stanley though I think Oregon is the bigger threat.
BShark said:
Alford is about to get canned at UCLA. Could help with Stanley though I think Oregon is the bigger threat.
I've been thinking that for a bit now - -I'm thinking more likely then not Afford get's let go - -or the uncertainly might really help with UCLA - - I think our chances are getting better - hope we pull this off - -sure need him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-basketball-recruiting-schedule-change-127052042/ ↗
About half way down is a picture of all the coaches watching Matthew Hurt. Famous faces!
As predicted Alford was let go.
Wow that's crazy. Two significant injuries at key positions and he loses his job. Tough
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow that's crazy. Two significant injuries at key positions and he loses his job. Tough
And generally not being very good 5/6 years.
BShark mentioned this yesterday & I had been thinking along the same line since I read about this the other day - -that possibility with Alford being fired
This should do nothing but help our chances with Stanley - -still going to be a challenge - -it now seems like a two team thing - - KU/Oregon - I just got to think we are in good shape - - right there.
This FBI thing shouldn't really effect in this one - -both have been mentioned in it- - -His dad talked about how they really liked Coach - the obstacle is the Coast and closer to home - -yet I just have to feel that we MAY just pull this off - - USC no longer in the picture - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Sources: Saint Louis freshman Carte'Are Gordon will transfer. Former Top-75 recruit. Was averaging 8.9 PPG and 4.1 RPG.
— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) January 2, 2019
What a shocker. I doubt we go after him if Ryan is right on the phog
@BeddieKU23 What is the deal there? Those are nice numbers for a FR. Have his minutes been slashed or what? I remember when he was considered a hard KU lean.
BeddieKU23 said:
Sources: Saint Louis freshman Carte'Are Gordon will transfer. Former Top-75 recruit. Was averaging 8.9 PPG and 4.1 RPG.
— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) January 2, 2019
What a shocker. I doubt we go after him if Ryan is right on the phog
Absolutely would take him. No question about it. Stupid decision to go play for Ford at SLU in the first place.
Good rebounder. Decent scorer. Decent passer. A modern day big man who can guard all 5 positions. What's not to like?
He had his chance to come to KU.
Ryan is right in that KU doesn't need ANOTHER true 5 let alone an undersized one.
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Sources: Saint Louis freshman Carte'Are Gordon will transfer. Former Top-75 recruit. Was averaging 8.9 PPG and 4.1 RPG.
— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) January 2, 2019
What a shocker. I doubt we go after him if Ryan is right on the phog
Absolutely would take him. No question about it. Stupid decision to go play for Ford at SLU in the first place.
Good rebounder. Decent scorer. Decent passer. A modern day big man who can guard all 5 positions. What's not to like?
He chose his path. Certainly sounds like has some issues. That recruitment certainly seemed odd, Ryan on the phog says he's got a handler. Those never end up well
@BeddieKU23 I have little doubt money will determine where he transfers to.
KU was in Memphis to see unsigned 6'4 guard Damion Baugh. Same aau squad as Vick. Looks good and athletic. Hes ranked #141 on 247
Certainly seems to be an option in case Dotson leaves. Why else recruit another combo point guard.. ut oh
Baugh is known as a lockdown perimeter defender and high level passer. Looks like he is scoring the ball this season too. Hometown Memphis is certainly big competition here but with Ku having so many Memphis players it cant hurt
Recruiting has been slow but looks like the staff is recruiting Matthew Hurt, Achiuwa, Baugh and Cassius Stanley.
Anyone watch Memphis-WSU last night?
@Crimsonorblue22 - I watched sporadically. WSU looked bad and got worse as the game went on. Impatient on offense, shooting early in the clock and failing to rebound. Weak defense. Not like the teams of a few years ago....
@Gorilla72 So - -how bad did they get beat?
BeddieKU23 said:
KU was in Memphis to see unsigned 6'4 guard Damion Baugh. Same aau squad as Vick. Looks good and athletic. Hes ranked #141 on 247
Certainly seems to be an option in case Dotson leaves. Why else recruit another combo point guard.. ut oh
I wouldn't read too much into it with Dotson, but it is a possibility. The bulk of recruiting this year could just be getting guys to come back.
BeddieKU23 said:
Recruiting has been slow but looks like the staff is recruiting Matthew Hurt, Achiuwa, Baugh and Cassius Stanley.
I think we can cross Stanley off the list soon.
Funny that Baugh released a "final 10" that does not include KU back in August but I would bet that KU could get him if need be.
I've read the comments about KU recruiting Achiuwa hard but we all know what happened if he ends up playing a year in Lawrence.
Given all the other schools involved, I just don't feel great about landing Hurt at all.
BeddieKU23 said:
Agree with all of it. Was just updating those who dont follow it as closely. Not expecting to land anyone at the moment
Yeah if all of a sudden Baugh committed, that would mean the staff expects a guard to leave early.
Right now technically KU is at capacity. Vick leaving + 1 open slot and two guards signed.
The expectation was for Grimes to leave early, but he could very well play his way out of a draft slot. Maybe that balances out by DD playing his way into being drafted, only time will tell. I'm more concerned about adding an impact combo forward type like Achiuwa or Hurt. Who are both definitely 4s at KU but are very good and flexible players. I would prefer Hurt for his offense.
Cross another name off the list. Kofi Cockburn is going to Illinois. Rumor is Khalil Whitney to come later...
FarmerJayhawk said:
Cross another name off the list. Kofi Cockburn is going to Illinois. Rumor is Khalil Whitney to come later...
Oh man, if Illinois takes a player from Cal. HA.
Kaden Archie will transfer from TCU.
Weird decision to me. He came in to a roster with lots of returning players but a couple guys he is competing for PT with this year won't be there next year.
After watching some videos, Baugh is interesting. Defends, rebounds and drives. Passes are on target but of course they aren't going to show times where the passes are off. Still it's good to see passes hitting the exact right spot and not forcing his team mate to go get the ball. Guessing his jumper needs work, but that's okay as KU has already taken a couple good shooters in this class. Assuming that KU has heard they are out for Stanley (quite possible) going after Baugh makes sense. Stanley is a player that would never develop at KU. An all world athlete w/o a ton of basketball acumen that only plans to stay one year.
BeddieKU23 said:
If he can't shoot its tough to plug that into a team full of guys who can't shoot. Just having 1 guy that is known for being a poor shooter has changed how defenses play KU. He looks pretty good but I'd have to say hard pass if shooting is a concern
I don't think he'd be a take to play next year. KU's back court will be fine next year without any added players. It's a tough sell to add guys under the assumption that they will be taking their first year to develop but it certainly is a good goal for keeping a program going and protecting against lean years. I really like what I saw but I will trust the staff's judgment on him either way.
And I'm just guessing of course, but when highlight videos don't have ANY made threes...
Carte'Are Gordon ended up at Depaul. LOL
Sounds like Hurt is having a monster season
Matthew Hurt had some huge performances last week. Hurt finished with 43 points and 17 rebounds in an 88-67 road win over Albert Lea on Tuesday. Hurt followed that up by leading all scorers with 44 points, 23 rebounds, and four assists in Friday night's win over Century. The five-star forward capped of his week with 23 points and 17 rebounds in Saturday night's 76-50 win over Owatonna.
I hate to ask this but I was hoping for some help on getting a recap on the 2019 recruiting situation:
In short, we have McBride and Braun signed. Hurt is the only viable option....correct?
I'm looking at next year and I'm anticipating no one transfers and Dedric is the only professional:
starters: Dotson, Grimes, Agbaji, Doke, Garrett
bench: mitch, KJ, chuck, silvio, Big Mac, Mcbride, Braun and one open scholly if Hurt doesn't sign.
Feel free to ask all the questions you want.
KU is actively recruiting Hurt (as you stated above), Cassius Stanley & Precious Achiuwa. Hurt is supposed to visit KU officially in February, Stanley already OV'd is still sitting on his Top 3 - KU, Oregon, UCLA. Achiuwa has repeatedly said KU is recruiting him hard but he hasn't officially visited either and has slow played his recruitment.
Hurt is still the most viable option if Dedric does go pro. It's too early to say what Silvio and Doke will do. Silvio's situation is still up in the air. Doke is injured and most likely won't be 100% in time to do any workouts/combine stuff. Both could return as you predict. That would complicate landing an elite big man such as Hurt or Achiuwa.
I think we'll see at least one transfer (Charlie, KJ) or surprise draft decision. Still too early on Grimes especially if he impresses in March.
If Dedric goes pro and Silvio doesn't return landing Hurt would be crucial.
@bmensch1 I would not be shocked to see Moore and/or KJ defect. In theory, KJ could grad transfer after this season to a place he'll actually get some PT. It''s his 4th year in college this season. So I sort of expect him and Self to have a conversation at year's end and come to a mutual decision to part ways. I don't know Moore's options, but I'd say his time at KU is likely over after the season as well. He's no better than a 100+ ranked freshman PG. Probably worse.
So I sort of expect us to have three scholarships to fill.
I think we see the staff turn the heat up on Enaruna in the Spring. Sherfield is available again as of yesterday. Seems like an easy take at this point. I expect recruiting to heat up here over the next month.
Enaruna is an intriguing player. I would expect we look at him more in the spring if there is an actual need for a wing/forward.
Agree on Charlie. With McBride coming in that could push him out mutually. Also good point on KJ, he could be graduating this spring and with Ochai's emergence and going forward won't be surprised.
Only way KJ would transfer is if Dedric goes pro. I don't see Dedric leaving early though so I don't see KJ transferring out. I could see Moore transfer though I think it could also be possible he waits a year to be a grad transfer.
I also don't see Doke coming back. At this point, I think it would be in his best interest to start his pro career ASAP so he can make some money because if he suffers another major injury next year, he may not have a pro future anywhere.
The new development with Silvio is the wild card right now. If he's ruled eligible, having Silvio and Dedric would take some pressure off of Hurt to be an instant impact player if he comes to KU.
BeddieKU23 said:
Carte'Are Gordon ended up at Depaul. LOL
:rofl:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think you have Doke and Dedric backwards, personally.
It makes sense to me for Doke to stay here and get a degree and rehab. He's so young that his stock will basically remain unchanged and he has a backup plan in case of injury.
Dedric on the other hand, has proven what he can do and will have 4 years of school and a degree under his belt after this season. Might as well just go pro. How does staying benefit Dedric?
Kcmatt7 said:
@bmensch1 I would not be shocked to see Moore and/or KJ defect. In theory, KJ could grad transfer after this season to a place he'll actually get some PT. It''s his 4th year in college this season. So I sort of expect him and Self to have a conversation at year's end and come to a mutual decision to part ways. I don't know Moore's options, but I'd say his time at KU is likely over after the season as well. He's no better than a 100+ ranked freshman PG. Probably worse.
So I sort of expect us to have three scholarships to fill.
Kcmatt7 said:
I think we see the staff turn the heat up on Enaruna in the Spring. Sherfield is available again as of yesterday. Seems like an easy take at this point. I expect recruiting to heat up here over the next month.
I'd take Sherfield over Moore in a heartbeat. Moore obviously sucks (and sucked at Cal despite some of his numbers). Neither would be a big factor next year most likely (as Agbaji shows you never know) but worst case you stash Sherfield on the bench to develop for a year.
How aggressive KU is in recruiting will say a lot about who the staff expects to leave/stay.
BeddieKU23 said:
Enaruna is an intriguing player. I would expect we look at him more in the spring if there is an actual need for a wing/forward.
Agree on Charlie. With McBride coming in that could push him out mutually. Also good point on KJ, he could be graduating this spring and with Ochai's emergence and going forward won't be surprised.
True that McBride could already be enough to push Charlie out. Especially if Dotson AND Grimes stay (I still have my doubts about this).
Agree on Enaruna. Solid prospect but if KU still has Agbaji, KJ and Garrett all around, I don't see it being worthwhile for either side.
I think KJ and Dedric are tied together and I do believe that it could be very mutually beneficial for Dedric to return. I will say it again though, recruiting actions will tell the tale.
@Kcmatt7 Doke is a still projected as a mid 2nd round pick. Another major injury and he's not sniffing the NBA even at his age. Dedric will be a late 2nd round/undrafted guy whether he leaves this year or next. Doke has a lot more to lose potentially by coming back than Dedric does.
Do we, well not me, know much about these wrist injuries? We hear about big men and their feet problems. Just seems strange that I have not heard about them and doke has had both of them. I know they didn't happen while he was dunking, but could they be weakened due to him doing that all the time, plus hanging there? Would that have anything to do w/his poor throw shooting? Perhaps a stretch there?🤔
@Crimsonorblue22 A lot of it depends in how his ligaments heal and if there are any complications with that. The much more concerning issue Inwould have with Doke long term is his back and ankles. Once you sprain an ankle, it becomes much easier to do again and Doke said he was having back issues last season which is highly concerning for someone his age because of his size. It likely means he'll have significant back issues fairly early in his career/life which could derail his career.
Do we want Dedric and doke back?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Do we want Dedric and doke back?
I'd take them both back in a heartbeat
@Crimsonorblue22 I'd take both of them back in a heartbeat if that's what they choose to do.
If I'm giving them NBA advice though, I would advise Doke to leave while he still has NBA prospects. With Dedric, I would advise him that his draft status wouldn't change if he left early or stayed another year. I would ask him how much he wants to win a national title, how much he enjoys Kansas, and how much he enjoys playing with his brother. Next season would his last opportunity to play with KJ in all likelihood. KU would also be a pretty strong title contender next season with this group if they only lose Vick from this core next season.
I would tell Doke to leave and Dedric that he should base his decision on how much he enjoys the college experience and playing with KJ.
Anthony Edwards will officially visit February 9
Woodrow said:
Anthony Edwards will officially visit February 9
Will his residuals from ER and Top Gun cause amateur issues?
Woodrow said:
Anthony Edwards will officially visit February 9
That's about the same time Hurt is suppose to be visiting I believe - - think we have a game then not sure who we are playing - -so could be hurt and Edwards the same time
Okie state
Looks like Stanley is announcing on April 17th. So still a ways to go in his recruitment.
Long way to wait to announce your not leaving the west
Woodrow said:
Looks like Stanley is announcing on April 17th. So still a ways to go in his recruitment.
ya little ways. - -Like I was saying earlier though. I would think if Quentin comes back next year which at this point I think he absolutely should - -if he indeed does that then that would pretty well take care of Stanley committing here I would think. - -Wouldn't you think so ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Where’s Q gonna go juco ?!? 😂 The kid’s hardly ready for NCAA let alone the NBA. I hope that delusion has left his skull, but you never know.
they were talking last night about his body chemistry - -might have some kind of difference of opinion or a situation going on here , might be he thought this was going to be a piece of cake and thinks he should STILL be getting major minute. - -what's happening is that he is getting more bench time. - -some unsettled issues possibly
I think Grimes had to get to this low in order for Self to pick him back up. Whatever frustrations he had last night I'm sure are self inflicted from not doing what he knows he's capable of. I have a hard time believing its something else. He just looks like he's having a hard time under pressure and living up to expectations from himself, his coaches, his family and friends. We forget these kids are young, Q is only 18. I have been hard on him but its because I know he's capable of more. I was hard on Vick last season and Selden the season before that for the same reasons.
@jayballer73 I thing it would depend on whether Stanley is afraid of competition or not. If he does not believe he can come in and beat someone out, he needs to stay away. Hurt is the one I want, especially if DLawson leaves. We will be in a world of hurt in the paint. No pun intended.
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
I think we are in a better position with Stanley then a lot of people think - -It really has come down to KU/Oregon. - -Read an article on it yesterday - -at the moment can't remember where it was at - BUT ya UCLA was major in it BEFORE the Alford thing now -- not so much.
The one thing that is concerning though is he said that KU said he would step in right after Grimes - - well if Grimes comes back - -that takes care of that selling point. - -ROCK CHALK ALL THE TIME BABY
FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
Thanks, good news. Been a big fan of this one and seen him play a few times.
FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
If he ended up in Lawrence that would be a game changer. I think he'd be really exciting as a 4 under Self.
Has he listed his finalists? - -do we know if he has taken any visits ? - who is the finalists? - I thought he was thinking about just working on possibly going to the NBA ? -- would for sure be a nice get. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@FarmerJayhawk I saw where Self and Norm were going to see him tonight.
heard and saw where we picked up a CB for Hurt today - -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
also read where possibly Isaiah Todd could possibly be re-classifying , and there is a chance that he will be at Kentucky for the KU-Kentucky game this weekend 5 Star recruit that KU is in on the # 13 recruit right now - -and Kentucky hadn't offered yet but they going to - -at Present according to 247 UNC is leading then KU - -so and were off - -the recruiting heatin up is of and running.- -Man if he re-classified we sure could use him ourself. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Todd is reaaaaally good.
BShark said:
Todd is reaaaaally good.
ya from everything I have read/heard - -gonna be a dog fight - go figure UK recruiting him now
jayballer73 said:
also read where possibly Isaiah Todd could possibly be re-classifying , and there is a chance that he will be at Kentucky for the KU-Kentucky game this weekend 5 Star recruit that KU is in on the # 13 recruit right now - -and Kentucky hadn't offered yet but they going to - -at Present according to 247 UNC is leading then KU - -so and were off - -the recruiting heatin up is of and running.- -Man if he re-classified we sure could use him ourself. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU is going to run the race with Todd but I think the chances of getting him are slim. Plan A is to get at least 2/5 of Dedric/Doke/Silvio/Hurt/Precious.
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
also read where possibly Isaiah Todd could possibly be re-classifying , and there is a chance that he will be at Kentucky for the KU-Kentucky game this weekend 5 Star recruit that KU is in on the # 13 recruit right now - -and Kentucky hadn't offered yet but they going to - -at Present according to 247 UNC is leading then KU - -so and were off - -the recruiting heatin up is of and running.- -Man if he re-classified we sure could use him ourself. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU is going to run the race with Todd but I think the chances of getting him are slim. Plan A is to get at least 2/5 of Dedric/Doke/Silvio/Hurt/Precious.
looking at those options I've got to say - - -I just don't see much of any way of the 1st three. - - Dedric will NOT be back period - - - Doke gains nothing from coming back mainly because him improving his draft status enough for the NBA is highly unlikely on top of the fact of risking of yet ANOTHER injury where it might risk any chance of the NBA period. - the only reason for him to come back would be to just get his degree - -plain and simple his chances in the NBA are - -NOT very good - -he NBA game is old school pretty much non exsistent he has NO shot unless he flushes , he is not the modern NBA 5. - - Silvio - - na - -he won't be back - - thanks - NCAA wasted his entire season - -I think he will end up with the train of Thought - - ( I'M Out and I wouldn't blame him one bit- - -pretty much waste of time for him - -and then when they finally rule good chance he is found ineligible anyways.
That more then likely hopefully leaves us with Hurt - -probably the best chance - -probably the only chance of this group. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
FarmerJayhawk said:
KU is going to run the race with Todd but I think the chances of getting him are slim. Plan A is to get at least 2/5 of Dedric/Doke/Silvio/Hurt/Precious.
If plan A hits, KU should be pretty good next year. If I could pick I'd take Silvio and Hurt.
Just saw that the McD's All American game is coming up. How long has it been since KU has not had a future player in this game? I feel like we have at least one commit every single year.
Did I read where one of the Blue Valley schools Coach was coaching in that game?? Anyone else see that ?
Woodrow said:
Did I read where one of the Blue Valley schools Coach was coaching in that game?? Anyone else see that ?
Correct.
Definitely feels odd. We still have a good chance with two prospects in the game. You will not be disappointed by the two commits that didnt make the game, they are both gamers
It is a little strange not to have a jayhawk in the game, but I think KU is on the radar for a couple guys in it. Recruiting doesn't look so hot right now for us, 2 guys signed and the highest rated is at 95th in the country. Robinson-Earl, I think will be a big loss if Dedric leaves. We do have some good young guys in Dotson, Grimes, David and Ochai that are probably big factors for at least next years team. But with the chance of losing both Doke and Dedric fairly high IMO, I'd like to see us sign a big guy or 2. I think the FBI probe is hurting us in that regard, recruits maybe waiting to see if we get a post season ban. Which is highly unlikely looking at how Hernandez didn't cause Miami any ban or to vacate wins tho he more than likely got paid to play last year. Arizona doesn't seem to be slowing down after the supposed tape of Miller talking about giving 100k to Ayton. Maybe the tape doesn't exist but it still baffles me than no Nike team is being looked at tho several including Ok State, Arizona and Duke were in reports.
I do think Dedric comes back. People here want to talk how he has nothing to gain by returning, but I don't think much to lose either and probably actually could boost his stock into a late 2nd round pick if he gets his 3 point shot to around 35%.
Right now, I don't see him as anything other than a Summer League invite before headed overseas. If he stays, and improves his outside shot, he could be a late 2nd rounder.
The 2 bigs I don't see playing in a KU uniform next year are Doke and Silvio. Doke has injury issues and needs to leave while he can salvage a pro career. I also just don't think Silvio ever gets cleared. That $60,000 payment should be what keeps him from playing. KU shouldn't receive any punishment from that because it didn't involve KU. The NCAA is not a court of law and doesn't need the same level of evidence to rule someone ineligible. Gassnola's testimony is enough for the NCAA.
I would love Silvio to play this year, I just don't see it happening.
Dedric is leaving, and it wouldn't surprise me to see KJ leave too as a grad transfer. Dedric isn't going to improve his draft position much. Even if he gets significantly better next season, the 2020 draft is MUCH stronger than the 2019 draft, which is about as good as the year Anthony Bennett went #1. I don't really think Dedric is a NBA level player but he is the kind of guy that can make millions overseas. Silvio will be back if he's cleared this year. The $60k payment was never made and the NCAA and KU have agreed that it's not relevant to his case.
Doke is the hardest one to read. He was great when healthy, but hasn't stayed as such. His injuries have been kind of flukey and he's really young (doesn't turn 20 until September). As of today I think he leaves but if KU doesn't land anyone significant in the spring I can see Doke and the staff making arrangements for him to come back for another season.
A couple mocks below. In one, Dedric late 2nd. In the other, Dedric nowhere to be found.
The guy is averaging a double-double yet is an after-thought. The obvious reasons.
The key with many folks seems to be whether there is a reasonable chance to improve one's draft stock by coming back. If not, then get out an make money. Barring other things that might influence.
That might favor SDS playing next season if the penalty doesn't eat into next season.
@HighEliteMajor For me, it is that Dedric can only marginally improve his draft stock next season. Apparently, anything less than a 30 and 20 average isn't going to bump him into the draft. This is his 4th year in college, so likely he will be graduating in the Spring. So even coming back to get his degree isn't much of an argument at this point.
It's time for him to go make money. And I'd bet he still sneaks into the 2nd round. He's shooting the ball better here in the 2nd half.
@Kcmatt7 I would tend to agree. The things holding him back are largely things he can't control or improve. Of course, if he does come out and show a significant expansion in his range and %, as mentioned above, that is a different thing. He had a sweet fall away last game, too. He needs to mimic Dirk Nowitzki. Maybe a poor man's Dirk. This is a close call. But can he work on those issues making money? In a pro setting? That's why I think it favors him leaving.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Dedric is leaving, and it wouldn't surprise me to see KJ leave too as a grad transfer. Dedric isn't going to improve his draft position much. Even if he gets significantly better next season, the 2020 draft is MUCH stronger than the 2019 draft, which is about as good as the year Anthony Bennett went #1. I don't really think Dedric is a NBA level player but he is the kind of guy that can make millions overseas. Silvio will be back if he's cleared this year. The $60k payment was never made and the NCAA and KU have agreed that it's not relevant to his case.
Doke is the hardest one to read. He was great when healthy, but hasn't stayed as such. His injuries have been kind of flukey and he's really young (doesn't turn 20 until September). As of today I think he leaves but if KU doesn't land anyone significant in the spring I can see Doke and the staff making arrangements for him to come back for another season.
Thank you for the info. Good stuff.
If Silvio or doke were playing he could show more of his range, sucks for all of us!
So Mathew Hurt is visiting this weekend. This might be one of the most important visits Self has had in a long time. Withe the way things are going on the recruiting front he is about as big of a must get as it gets for Self and KU.
I anticipate the crowd being pretty good as they know how desperate this team is for a win. Hope we knock it out of the park with him.
Not that KU was ever in it, but the Edwards visit isn't even happening now.
I wonder what changed his mind? I haven't really read anything where the staff was out watching him since it is pretty much known he is going to FSU...
Woodrow said:
I wonder what changed his mind? I haven't really read anything where the staff was out watching him since it is pretty much known he is going to FSU...
Best case scenario is the staff knows Stanley is picking KU but that would fly in the face of everything regarding KU hoops right now.
Swoooooooosh
You’re telling me the NCAA rule changes aren’t preventing Nike from still buying players?
Color me shocked.
Arizona with the #1 class, Louisville 3 and USC 4 ironically.
I don’t know if it was just always going to be a down recruiting year with so much roster uncertainty or if the FBI investigation legitimately scared players away. Or if Adidas is on the DL right now. Or Bill isn’t working with them anymore and being a straight shooter to close out his career here.
Kcmatt7 said:
Or Bill isn’t working with them anymore and being a straight shooter to close out his career here.
I sure hope not.
Well I read where we picked up another CB for Hurt yesterday putting us at 79% - -the rest at 7% - but ever since the Ayton debacle I'm always skeptical - -tell they actually commit.
If there could be some way we could manage to get Hurt and be able to lure Stanley - -then maybe be able to salvage this recruiting year. - -Just so much up in the air with who might/will return from the current roster.
Will Doke come back ? - - Grimes come Back ? - -- KJ ? - - - Dedric is GONE I just don't see any way he returns - - lots of unanswered questions at this point = =HUGE weekend = =hope the phog is rockin for Hurt - -hope we play solid in front of Hurt man
@jayballer73 If the belief is that neither Doke nor Dedric are coming back...that would seem to work in our favor for getting Hurt...he slides right in there next to Big Dave.
Hawk8086 said:
@jayballer73 If the belief is that neither Doke nor Dedric are coming back...that would seem to work in our favor for getting Hurt...he slides right in there next to Big Dave.
the thing is now -- this ruling on Silvio couldn't of come at a worse time for us. - -With us not knowing now whether we will be facing more penalties - post ban this next year or what ever might be the straw to push Hurt in another direction - -with us not knowing if we will be put on probation or not - -terrible timing with him coming in this weekend and hearing this news. - -and you can bet these other schools that in the recruiting with him a his finalists - -will be playing this to the hilt against us - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 You are right...other programs will be playing that up big time. This sucks.
I have no idea what the NCAA will do to KU but I wouldn’t b surprised at all if we see a downtick in recruiting which will lead to obviously less success on the floor. Ultimately this bull shi*t might be enough to push Self out the door.
Not sure why any coach would want to put up,with this non sense when he doesn’t have too. Hell he could retire if he wanted .
Also , I understand a lot of this was brought on by himself, but still it might be running him ragged and I wouldn’t blame him for leaving it all behind.
But then again he’s sticking up for his kids. Hurt is seeing all kinds of things
Woodrow said:
I have no idea what the NCAA will do to KU but I wouldn’t b surprised at all if we see a downtick in recruiting which will lead to obviously less success on the floor. Ultimately this bull shi*t might be enough to push Self out the door.
Not sure why any coach would want to put up,with this non sense when he doesn’t have too. Hell he could retire if he wanted .
Also , I understand a lot of this was brought on by himself, but still it might be running him ragged and I wouldn’t blame him for leaving it all behind.
There were whisperings about something more sinister in regards to why JRE didn't pick KU. If anyone would know about something coming, it would be JRE's mom.
I hope everything just blows over. I think next year's team could be really good.
If KU lands Hurt and/or Precious, that's a sign Self is sticking around imo.
Hurts getting his free visit in. He owes self for all the time he has recruited him. So for that it's nice to see him following through. I have no doubts this is just a courtesy respect visit. Some may disagree but no elite kid is sniffing us with all this
All 3 of the Rivals guys said Kansas leads and predicted they’ll get him.
FarmerJayhawk said:
All 3 of the Rivals guys said Kansas leads and predicted they’ll get him.
I hope it happens and like I said I think it would be a very good sign for the future of the program.
@FarmerJayhawk I know that is a good sign...but are those guys usually accurate?
Hawk8086 said:
@FarmerJayhawk I know that is a good sign...but are those guys usually accurate?
Bossi and Corey Evans over there are really, really good
@FarmerJayhawk Good to hear!
New target. HS teammate of Precious. https://247sports.com/Player/Harlond-Beverly-46040841/ ↗
Been wondering if we would offer, kid has had a big senior yr. Fits what we need
Well have been reading from people posting. - Hurt enjoyed his visit , BUT has some concern , about Doke & Lawson possibly returning making a crowded interior -rumors are starting that he is becoming a Duke lean - - Sounds about right for the way things have gone this season -would be about right. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Well have been reading from people posting. - Hurt enjoyed his visit , BUT has some concern , about Doke & Lawson possibly returning making a crowded interior -rumors are starting that he is becoming a Duke lean - - Sounds about right for the way things have gone this season -would be about right. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
way he is a duke lean if they get some pick come in
FarmerJayhawk said:
New target. HS teammate of Precious. https://247sports.com/Player/Harlond-Beverly-46040841/ ↗
Stealing recruits from MSU is always a plus.
Even if Dotson and Grimes stay it would be nice to add another guard.
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
Well have been reading from people posting. - Hurt enjoyed his visit , BUT has some concern , about Doke & Lawson possibly returning making a crowded interior -rumors are starting that he is becoming a Duke lean - - Sounds about right for the way things have gone this season -would be about right. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
way he is a duke lean if they get some pick come in
Hell I don't know -- they got a lot coming back --if he is worried about being crowded that is not the place to go - -some mentioned like thye have 3 coming back around his position - -makes no sense
Looks like Edwards is going to end up at UGA and not Florida St.
The next KU basketball class is ridiculous. KU's only top 100 guy left and Self hasn't signed one since. Is everyone in the top 100 drinking the Kool-Aid? My take on this is that they are all on the take or someone would have committed already. I get it no one wants to come to KU and get the De Sousa treatment from the NCAA! Adidas, and its affiliates have ruined KU's next class and possibly our streak of conference titles!
Woodrow said:
Looks like Edwards is going to end up at UGA and not Florida St.
Crazy up$set there. I think the biggest two recruits left in this class are Hurt (duh) and Doke. Maybe Grimes, though I haven’t heard much about his intentions.
One to keep an eye on. https://247sports.com/Player/Zeke-Nnaji-46041762/ ↗
@FarmerJayhawk I am assuming you are talking about IF Miller gets canned?
Or is he possibly going to open his recruitment back up regardless?
WOW at the Edwards news.
I won't be shocked if Miller goes down.
On Miller, I’ve heard it’s a matter of when. Powers that be in the state are extremely angry that he’s had 3 assistants fired for NCAA rulebreaking and criminal behavior.
@FarmerJayhawk It probably doesn't help Miller that UA is sitting in the 9th spot in the Pac-12 with a 5 - 5 conference record and currently have a 4-game losing streak going.
Has Doke played too much for this season to be considered a redshirt?
wissox said:
Has Doke played too much for this season to be considered a redshirt?
Nope. He appeared in 9 games out of 31 scheduled which is under the 30% threshold at 29%.
That said, I don't think this will happen.
wissox said:
Has Doke played too much for this season to be considered a redshirt?
It would be a huge win to get Doke for next year. 20-21 is fantasy. He’ll graduate sometime next year so at that point he’ll be wanting money, not a masters.
bcjayhawk said:
@FarmerJayhawk It probably doesn't help Miller that UA is sitting in the 9th spot in the Pac-12 with a 5 - 5 conference record and currently have a 4-game losing streak going.
Right. He does have an incredible class coming in, but at some point you can’t outrun the law, whether that be the kangaroo court of the NCAA or the SDNY.
Still can't believe Edwards to Georgia was real. Still can't believe anyone would want to play for Tom Crean.
Kcmatt7 said:
Still can't believe Edwards to Georgia was real. Still can't believe anyone would want to play for Tom Crean.
Money talks
Daniels CB'd Cole Anthony to Roy. Dang
BeddieKU23 said:
Daniels CB'd Cole Anthony to Roy. Dang
Who else was still in play? Oregon?
Can't blame him with how well Coby White has thrived under Roy this year.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Daniels CB'd Cole Anthony to Roy. Dang
Who else was still in play? Oregon?
I honestly had stopped paying attention.
Change my mind but I think Cameron Thomas, his teammate at Oak Hill is as good or better then Anthony and he's only a Jr. I've always admired Cole's game but man that Cam kid is something else.
Have you seen Cam?
Has ANYBODY heard anything at all on Hurt's recruiting since his visit to KU? - -I think his OV'S are over right? - -I thought he might of mentioned SOMETHING by now - -but been pretty quiet. -how is people feeling? - -I still think we got a good shot - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He still has one official that he can take. Last I saw Nova, Indiana, Minnesota and Memphis were in the discussion for it but he never did say which one or when they would get it, if he did. I don't expect an answer with this kid til April.. but to answer your question haven't seen anything
Seems to me that Hurt wants to see who stays and leaves before he commits.
Hurt is averaging near 37 pts a game, 12 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals and blocks per game. He is 4th all time in Minnesota scoring with over 3000 points. He is only 58 points from 3rd all time. Shooting 65% fg and 45% from 3. He would change a lot about next season's projections if he comes
Hurt is absolutely a game changing recruit. With the right returners he would make KU a top contender.
I'm just hoping that Self letting him bomb away from 3 on the U18 team was enough to convince him to come.
I wonder if Q and him ever really talked during that.
Kcmatt7 said:
I'm just hoping that Self letting him bomb away from 3 on the U18 team was enough to convince him to come.
I'm sure he is being told he'd get the keys like Dedric.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I'm just hoping that Self letting him bomb away from 3 on the U18 team was enough to convince him to come.
I'm sure he is being told he'd get the keys like Dedric.
Yes. I feel as good about Hurt as I have in quite awhile. I think he’s done with visits and will announce for KU around the end of April.
KU still recruiting Tristan Enaruna
It was the best that we have seen Tristan Enaruna play to date as he looked like a legitimate NBA Draft target while competing against some of the most touted international prospects. Enaruna sports a great frame that he should fill out and while he has been knocked for his toughness in the past, he did show the capacity to play through contact and take the bump before finishing at the basket.
Eraruna remains at his best as an ambidextrous playmaker in the frontcourt that can throw precise passes on the go and also convert on nifty off-handed runners in the lane. What put things over the top was his consistent perimeter jumper that we had never seen before. He was one of the biggest stock boosters in Charlotte. The Netherlands native is currently hearing the most from Creighton, Kansas, Miami, Texas and Texas Tech.
BeddieKU23 said:
KU still recruiting Tristan Enaruna
It was the best that we have seen Tristan Enaruna play to date as he looked like a legitimate NBA Draft target while competing against some of the most touted international prospects. Enaruna sports a great frame that he should fill out and while he has been knocked for his toughness in the past, he did show the capacity to play through contact and take the bump before finishing at the basket.
Eraruna remains at his best as an ambidextrous playmaker in the frontcourt that can throw precise passes on the go and also convert on nifty off-handed runners in the lane. What put things over the top was his consistent perimeter jumper that we had never seen before. He was one of the biggest stock boosters in Charlotte. The Netherlands native is currently hearing the most from Creighton, Kansas, Miami, Texas and Texas Tech.
So is he more of a 4 than a 3 at the next level?
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU still recruiting Tristan Enaruna
It was the best that we have seen Tristan Enaruna play to date as he looked like a legitimate NBA Draft target while competing against some of the most touted international prospects. Enaruna sports a great frame that he should fill out and while he has been knocked for his toughness in the past, he did show the capacity to play through contact and take the bump before finishing at the basket.
Eraruna remains at his best as an ambidextrous playmaker in the frontcourt that can throw precise passes on the go and also convert on nifty off-handed runners in the lane. What put things over the top was his consistent perimeter jumper that we had never seen before. He was one of the biggest stock boosters in Charlotte. The Netherlands native is currently hearing the most from Creighton, Kansas, Miami, Texas and Texas Tech.
So is he more of a 4 than a 3 at the next level?
Not sure I haven't seen him play. Just a few highlight videos. At 6'7 205 he could develop into either. We need post help and I'm not sure he's really the answer for that. I think KU is keeping the pot warm in case they can't get Hurt or Achiuwa
I see where he un-officially visited Creighton - said that he has built a relationship with McDermont - -also said that KU has made him a priority ever since offering him in November - -and now Kentucky and DUKE showing some interest
Hasn't set up any official visits yet. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Self is out seeing Enaruna tonight.
Kid has moved into the top 50 on 24/7 sports.
247 now lists him as 6'9. Did he get measured recently to gain those 2'?
BeddieKU23 said:
Likely to keep rising with the blue bloods after
Yeah I was thinking KU could close on him but if Duke and UK offer all bets are off.
Always been a fan of his after checking him out. Haven't seen him in person obviously since he is in Utah currently.
Read a comment from Ryan Noel talking saying Draft Express had a big write up the NBA talking about his NBA upside and it is limit less or something to that degree - - Noel saying he has a feeling his # 90 something was about to take a big jump. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
247 bumped him into the top 50 after the Without Borders tournament.
Draftexpress did a 4 minute interview with him going over the usuals. Nothing ground breaking but he did impress scouts in a tournament that's been a springboard for some top prospects in the past.
He’s almost 6’10 now. Legit combo forward.
Wanted before, really want now.
The more I watch/read, I think my favorite thing about him is he's basically ambidextrous. Natural lefty that shoots with his right.
Watching his old Euro - U16 tape - looks a lot like what Svi did over there. He was basically the PG and easily the best player and took all of the shots and just scored way too easy. I'm glad that he is playing in the US now at an academy.
Precious is taking an OV this weekend??
Was this known before now? Just saw it reported...
It wasn't, but he's coming for the KSU game so I'm pretty cool with that. Building will be lit up.
Nice to have a big time visitor on a big time game
This is Precious first OV right? That has to mean something. He has been pretty tight lipped about everything so I would take this as a positive that he is coming.
AFH should be unreal Monday night. Hope the visit goes well.
Woodrow said:
This is Precious first OV right? That has to mean something. He has been pretty tight lipped about everything so I would take this as a positive that he is coming.
AFH should be unreal Monday night. Hope the visit goes well.
Seems like KU has a pretty good shot.
Also going to UNC for the Dook game. Last I heard Precious was pretty open. Visits will be crucial.
Well this could be a good thing - - like has been said - -The Phog will be jumpin/very loud and alive. - -This is the 1st time he has been on campus right period?
Hope we can give him an experience he will never forget. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Looks like the staff is also recruiting Harlond Beverly a teammate of Precious. 6’4 guard. Looks like a top 75 player. First I’ve heard of him.
Well precious coming this weekend for the K-State match up -- then he has also scheduled his 2nd visit - -on the 9th of March for the North Carolina - -Duke season finale in North Carolina. - -We need to rock the house down with him this weekend -- show up strong raise the rafters. - - North Carolina fans just don't seem they give that kind of atmosphere - -more of a tennis match coffee and crackers atmosphere - -Now if Duke was involved with his recruitment and they are but I don't think they are considered as strong maybe wrong - but just need to make that impression.
Also read that even with Hurt taking his officals - -that seems still to be NOT EVEN CLOSE to making a commitment. - -The article said even after his visits he has been keeping anything pretty close to the vest - - says he still has an official visit he could take - - -BUT has shown NO indication that he has a desire to do so. They said has shown no indicators of where he might go - -yet said seems like the most behind the scenes buzz is between Duke & KU - - but would not be surprised if he announced for any of the 4. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONGBABY
The Dean Dome is going to be insane when Dook comes to town. With any luck I’ll get to go and report back how it compares to AFH against a legit opponent. Even this year against KSU won’t be as good as UK in 2014 and the epic OU game. But it’ll be a fun comparison.
Still really like our chances with Hurt. I think UK is out. Keion Brooks seems like their guy at that spot. UNC is in a similar position to us. They’re losing Maye and almost certainly Nas Little, so there’s a boatload of minutes at the 4. They’re also probably getting Cole Anthony, which is really appealing. And then Duke is Duke. White dudes love playing the 4 for Duke.
Athletic guard. Seen a bump in his ranking playing on a good team. He's ranked appropriately and would be a nice 4 yr guy for any Power 5 school.
I think he's more of a plan B type if Stanley stays West and Grimes doesn't return. I don't think he's better then McBride or Braun so I'm not sure how serious the staff pursues him. Doesn't hurt to be involved though
BeddieKU23 said:
247 now lists him as 6'9. Did he get measured recently to gain those 2'?
Was he previously 4'9?
RockkChalkk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
247 now lists him as 6'9. Did he get measured recently to gain those 2'?
Was he previously 4'9?
Last I saw he was listed at 6'7, now 6'9 and Farmer saying he's a legit 6'10 now. So he's grown, not uncommon. I still don't view him as a true post player though and I think fans thinking some 6'9, 6'10 fast rising player is going to replace Dedric or whoever else leaves from the front court this year is begging to be disappointed. He does look like he has the tools to develop, in time into more of a hybrid 4 man
@BeddieKU23 he was sassing you because you did ' for feet and not '' for inches.
Agree on Enaruna he won't be replacing Dedric's load. I was very interested when he was lowly ranked and projected 4 years. It is possible now that he could have unrealistic expectations from some. Hurt is still a must get imho.
Ryan on the Phog doesnt think Achiuwa ends up at KU and even said he may not visit.. interesting twist to pay attention to.
He does think if Miller gets canned at Arizona that KU Could circle back to Nnaji if needed. He also mentioned Josh Green but that's like saying Wiseman would have gone to KU, a complete joke
If we don’t get any defects from the coaching changes, I fully expect to take some transfers.... Feels more likely by the day.
Precious is in LFK.
Grad Transfers and Transfers are okay, I just dont want a team of them like this season. A 3 star recruit would could develop would've been much better than Charlie in the long run.
@FarmerJayhawk I'm not hopeful but it never hurts to get a visit.
@kjayhawks Charlie was a 4* recruit tbf. Transfers have been really hit or miss. Not that my opinion on it matters but I'd say 1 max per cycle and preferably not every time.
Malik and Dedric were great. Important for both teams.
Charlie was an emergency.
But overall, we just need to recruit better. If Bill is going to swing for the fences with big name Spring signees, he better land them.
The emergency takes hardly ever pan out.
Evan Daniels put a CB pick in of Duke for Hurt today...
Wish I could say I'm shocked by this. But I just think you look at what Self has done with potential OADs compared to K and Cal and he's clearly in 3rd place. That makes the decision much easier.
Kcmatt7 said:
Wish I could say I'm shocked by this. But I just think you look at what Self has done with potential OADs compared to K and Cal and he's clearly in 3rd place. That makes the decision much easier.
I won't be even a little bit surprised if Hurt ends up going elsewhere. The threat of a probation probably isn't helping recruiting at all...
@Crimsonorblue22 It doesn't matter what Grimes would have done with the other two. It only matters what he has done under Self and the stigma that comes with it. Along with Cliff, Diallo, Selby, Henry and really just most of the OADs we've had. It is just the current perception, and it's hard to argue with.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Crimsonorblue22 It doesn't matter what Grimes would have done with the other two. It only matters what he has done under Self and the stigma that comes with it. Along with Cliff, Diallo, Selby, Henry and really just most of the OADs we've had. It is just the current perception, and it's hard to argue with.
Yeah, fair or not this is what the view is.
And there was an article today on the Athletic slobbering all over Calipari and how players improve massively under him. :nauseated_face:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Wish I could say I'm shocked by this. But I just think you look at what Self has done with potential OADs compared to K and Cal and he's clearly in 3rd place. That makes the decision much easier.
I won't be even a little bit surprised if Hurt ends up going elsewhere. The threat of a probation probably isn't helping recruiting at all...
If I were a recruit I'd be worried about a post-season ban as well. Especially as a OAD where this may be your only chance at one.
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Wish I could say I'm shocked by this. But I just think you look at what Self has done with potential OADs compared to K and Cal and he's clearly in 3rd place. That makes the decision much easier.
I won't be even a little bit surprised if Hurt ends up going elsewhere. The threat of a probation probably isn't helping recruiting at all...
If I were a recruit I'd be worried about a post-season ban as well. Especially as a OAD where this may be your only chance at one.
No doubt kids are worried about it. It's the uncertainty that is a killer. Once all the dust actually settles I trust KU will get it rolling again.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@Crimsonorblue22 It doesn't matter what Grimes would have done with the other two. It only matters what he has done under Self and the stigma that comes with it. Along with Cliff, Diallo, Selby, Henry and really just most of the OADs we've had. It is just the current perception, and it's hard to argue with.
Yeah, fair or not this is what the view is.
And there was an article today on the Athletic slobbering all over Calipari and how players improve massively under him. :nauseated_face:
I have not read the article, but I find that amusing. PJ Washington has been incredible this year and I would assume that is mainly what the article is about, but besides the Wall, AD, Cousins type players who has gone to UK and blown up and gotten so much better. I am sure there are a few, but what about the Harrison Twins, Dakari Johnson, Marcus Lee, Trey Lyles, Weynen Gabriel, Sasha Jones, etc...
I feel like Cal gets a pass because of all of the top end talent he gets that are going to be great no matter where they go.
Maybe that is just my perception. He has had a lot more bust then people realize I guess is my point.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Wish I could say I'm shocked by this. But I just think you look at what Self has done with potential OADs compared to K and Cal and he's clearly in 3rd place. That makes the decision much easier.
I won't be even a little bit surprised if Hurt ends up going elsewhere. The threat of a probation probably isn't helping recruiting at all...
that's EXACTLY what it is - -this FBI crap has kicked us right square in the nads - - - HARD
Woodrow said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@Crimsonorblue22 It doesn't matter what Grimes would have done with the other two. It only matters what he has done under Self and the stigma that comes with it. Along with Cliff, Diallo, Selby, Henry and really just most of the OADs we've had. It is just the current perception, and it's hard to argue with.
Yeah, fair or not this is what the view is.
And there was an article today on the Athletic slobbering all over Calipari and how players improve massively under him. :nauseated_face:
I have not read the article, but I find that amusing. PJ Washington has been incredible this year and I would assume that is mainly what the article is about, but besides the Wall, AD, Cousins type players who has gone to UK and blown up and gotten so much better. I am sure there are a few, but what about the Harrison Twins, Dakari Johnson, Marcus Lee, Trey Lyles, Weynen Gabriel, Sasha Jones, etc...
I feel like Cal gets a pass because of all of the top end talent he gets that are going to be great no matter where they go.
Maybe that is just my perception. He has had a lot more bust then people realize I guess is my point.
What is the success rate compared to Self though. Of course they both have had their busts. But Self OADs do not seem to have much staying power in the League. And had Self landed some of the guys Cal got, of course it probably changes perception. But these are the results:
Cal
- Kat - Hit
- Cousins - Hit
- Monk - Hit
- Booker - Hit
- Wall - Hit
- Bledsoe - Hit
- Rose - Hit (Still falls under Cal)
- Fox - Hit
- SGA - Hit
- MKG - Hit
- AD - Hit
- Knight - Hit
- Knox - Seems like a hit
- Kanter - Hit
- Murray - Hit
- Randle - Hit
- Diallo - Hit
- Noel - Underachieved - Still in the league though
- Skal - Underachieved - Still in the league though
- Bam - Seems like he'll stick
Add in all the misses from transfers and what not, but that is still one hell of a track record.
K
- Ingram - Hit
- Giles - Meh. Underacheive but still in the league
- Kyrie - Hit
- Bagley - Hit
- Tyus - Hit
- Parker - Hit (Knee injury derailed)
- Jahlil - Underachieve
- Rivers - Hit
- Winslow - Hit
- Trent - Miss - Will wash out
- Duval - Miss - Will wash out
- Carter JR - Hit
- Jackson - Miss - Will wash out
Still, a better track record than Self. Not near as good as Cal, but still better.
Just how I see it at least.
I think it's safe to say Giles was derailed by injuries too.
I'd even say Oubre was a hit, but I don't believe Self had anything to do with it. Seemed more like he botched that situation than is the reason Oubre has had a decent career.
@Kcmatt7 Why is Josh a bust and MKG a "hit. Go look at their stats. Then Oubre being a hit has nothing to do with Self? You are trying WAY too hard to make your point.
Also, I am not arguing that Self is on par with K and Cal just that Cal's record is overstated because he landed can't miss guys.
@Woodrow Josh is a bust because he's definitely not getting a 2nd contract. Kidd Gilchrist will have made $60M in 7 seasons by the time he washes out. IF he washes out. MKG is better from advanced stats metrics as well. Josh will be lucky to ever have a PER as good as MKG's worst.
Sure, Oubre was successful because of Self. I can concede that point and still think my point is correct. The reason I don't attribute it to Self is because Self barely played him to start the season and he struggled mightily his first two years in the league.
LOL @ Josh not getting a second contract. Come on.
Sure was fun beating duke last year! Great coaching job!
Kcmatt7 said:
@Woodrow The Suns will not be giving JJ a 2nd contract. It's almost guaranteed at this point.
You said he would not be getting a second contract. Insinuating he will be out of the league when his first one runs out. The Suns might not sign him and if he was smart he wouldn't resign with that dumpster fire, but he will sign a second contract with a team.
@Woodrow Ok, we'll see. He is not that far from washing out. His PER is ranked 300th out of 388 players who have played in 20 or more games so far this season. He is 226th out of 266 players who have played 750 or more minutes this season. He is 250th out of those same 266 players in True Shooting Percentage. He is a 3 and D wing with no 3. I very much see him ending up overseas without improvement.
But whatever, it doesn't matter. He was the 4th pick in the draft and he is unlikely to get meaningful minutes anywhere after his stint with the Suns. And even if I count him as a "hit," it's semantics at this point. It barely changes the list. All I was trying to do was put this out there visually. We can nitpick my list all we want, but Bill has not had the success that the other two have had with guys who had OAD potential coming into college. It is the perception, even if the recruits we have landed aren't the same caliber as some of these others for Duke or UK.
All I'm trying to say, I can see why a recruit and their family would pick UK or Duke over KU if their child has a shot at being a OAD player.
The biggest stat not listed is that Dook and Uks classes are better than KUs almost every single year.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Woodrow Ok, we'll see. He is not that far from washing out. His PER is ranked 300th out of 388 players who have played in 20 or more games so far this season. He is 226th out of 266 players who have played 750 or more minutes this season. He is 250th out of those same 266 players in True Shooting Percentage. He is a 3 and D wing with no 3. I very much see him ending up overseas without improvement.
But whatever, it doesn't matter. He was the 4th pick in the draft and he is unlikely to get meaningful minutes anywhere after his stint with the Suns. And even if I count him as a "hit," it's semantics at this point. It barely changes the list. All I was trying to do was put this out there visually. We can nitpick my list all we want, but Bill has not had the success that the other two have had with guys who had OAD potential coming into college. It is the perception, even if the recruits we have landed aren't the same caliber as some of these others for Duke or UK.
All I'm trying to say, I can see why a recruit and their family would pick UK or Duke over KU if their child has a shot at being a OAD player.
I agree with that! I was never arguing that Self is even close when it comes to those other two programs when it comes to OAD.
I was simply saying that Cal gets the benefit of the doubt most of the time because of the Wall, Cousins, AD, of the world. He doesn't have very many TRob, Withey, Tyshawn, Frank, Graham players.
He isn't some world beater when it comes to developing players.
Anyways, sorry to derail the thread.
Precious is in town so let's hope we get a W tonight and Self knocks it out of the park with him.
Woodrow said:
Anyways, sorry to derail the thread.
Precious is in town so let's hope we get a W tonight and Self knocks it out of the park with him.
WE ARE GONING TOWIN
Woodrow said:
LOL @ Josh not getting a second contract. Come on.
Agree for sure Woodrow - - - Josh will for sure be getting a 2nd contract - -plain and simple
Woodrow said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@Woodrow The Suns will not be giving JJ a 2nd contract. It's almost guaranteed at this point.
You said he would not be getting a second contract. Insinuating he will be out of the league when his first one runs out. The Suns might not sign him and if he was smart he wouldn't resign with that dumpster fire, but he will sign a second contract with a team.
it may not be with that pit hole but ya Josh will get a 2nd contract. - - Phoenix has a lot of more problems then Josh - place is a dam dumpster fire - Josh would do really well to get the hell out of there. - -He is NOT their main reason for their situation
Well something must of leaked - - got out or something. -- - -6 picks on Matthew Hurt today - -and it looks like Duke is yet going to get Hurt - - SOB - this FBI thing is just killing us - - We are now a 59% - -and Duke is at 29 % -- Man we are in a world of hurt. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
More follow the leader than anything. Literally 3 days ago Evan said he didn’t know jack. Bossi over at Rivals still likes KU.
If I’m Precious right now AFH looks mighty fine
FarmerJayhawk said:
If I’m Precious right now AFH looks mighty fine
you would think - -the phog was insane tonight - - solid - - solid showing for the guys tonight. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
we played very well, and got a much needed win. now, let's finish strong!
@FarmerJayhawk saw him sitting by Wayne, 100 miles away
How were announcers? Saw marlins man in ku hat
@FarmerJayhawk he’s much taller than wayne
@BShark @Crimsonandblue12 Precious is enormous. Wayne is probably 6’7 or so and Precious makes him look small. Honestly he’s big enough to play some 5.
@FarmerJayhawk Would be a dream to land him. Wouldn't even care if Hurt went to Duke. Though right now Hurt is the better offensive player.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
How were announcers? Saw marlins man in ku hat
pretty decent -- Jay Bilas was one of them
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Would be a dream to land him. Wouldn't even care if Hurt went to Duke. Though right now Hurt is the better offensive player.
Either one. The perimeter is going to be salty.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Would be a dream to land him. Wouldn't even care if Hurt went to Duke. Though right now Hurt is the better offensive player.
Either one. The perimeter is going to be salty.
Agree. With or without Grimes. I hope it's with though.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Would be a dream to land him. Wouldn't even care if Hurt went to Duke. Though right now Hurt is the better offensive player.
Either one. The perimeter is going to be salty.
Agree. With or without Grimes. I hope it's with though.
Should be. At this point the staff isn’t recruiting any guards other than Stanley. Who honestly would be a nice bench piece.
Simien? Precious makes Simien look small? That’s a big high schooler!
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Would be a dream to land him. Wouldn't even care if Hurt went to Duke. Though right now Hurt is the better offensive player.
Either one. The perimeter is going to be salty.
Agree. With or without Grimes. I hope it's with though.
Should be. At this point the staff isn’t recruiting any guards other than Stanley. Who honestly would be a nice bench piece.
I THINK GRIMES IS NOT GONING ANYWERE
@JAYHAWKFAN214 he looked good and looked like he was having fun.
His shot didn't look so rushed yesterday. He made better passes (and got lucky a few found friendly hands). He had a couple of nice hustle plays. And he played 36 minutes in an ass whooping. He was a good player yesterday.
@BeddieKU23 Just everything about him yesterday was more aggressive. He seemed to use his 6'5 200lb frame a little bit yesterday too, which was nice to see.
Definitely. Making shots just seemed to make a difference for him last night. Loved his effort overall and I wish we could bottle it up.
He still has a long ways to go to showing that consistently but we got a glimpse last night of the player we expected out of HS
Bossi says Hurt could announce on his birthday April 20th. This from his dad. If this was already reported my apologies
Was just reading a post of another site about Precious from another person on the phog. - he stated that Precious has a Mentor , name of OZ Cross. - that OZ Cross worked under Coach Roberts when he was at St Johns - - - said that KU kept in contact with I guess precious for a long time - - - and saying with this Cross working under Roberts while at St Johns that thinks it could help us now.
So my question is - - does this send up a red flag? -- dealing with another Mentor or what the hell ever you wanna call these guys.? - -It just seems I'm starting to think- -anytime there is a mentor or whatever - there come baggage - -issues - -problems if that's the case - -w sure the hell DONT NEED anymore. - I dunno IF this is the case I myself would be really leary after all the junk that has been coming on.
So I have another question. So basically we are now down for any hope for any recruit for 2019 - -we either have Hurt - - -Precious - - OR Stanley right? - -That's it?
Seems like we are losing Hurt to Duke more likely then not now Precious? -- just don't know - -think our chances are pretty slim with him anyways - -Stanley who knows? - haven't heard ANYTHING with him for some time. - - Last I knew thought had heard we were sitting in a fairly good spot with him - -just so quiet- anyone heard anything more - seems like this year is COMPLETE BUST. - Anybody got any other fairly remote chance of us landing? - -GOD I hope so. - -ROCK CHALKALL DAY LONG BABY
Absolutely a concern. I'll just leave it at that
KU is said to be recruiting Harlond Beverly and Tristan Enaruna as well.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/harlond-beverly-199133 ↗
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/tristan-enaruna-233305 ↗
If and when Miller gets fired at Zona there will be a free for all on their #1 ranked recruiting class as well.
Woodrow said:
KU is said to be recruiting Harlond Beverly and Tristan Enaruna as well.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/harlond-beverly-199133 ↗
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/tristan-enaruna-233305 ↗
If and when Miller gets fired at Zona there will be a free for all on their #1 ranked recruiting class as well.
Not sure how hard KU is going after Beverly (and I don't think he would move the needle on next year's squad) but Enaruna is really good. He'd be a really nice get if Hurt ends up at Duke.
Agree on Arizona and I think Nnaji could end up at KU.
RE Precious: pretty sure it's basically known info that he is going to the highest bidder.
KU wants at least two more bigs assuming Dedric and Silvio leave.
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
@BShark That's what I was afraid of -so we need to run from that situation with Precious
Not gonna happen. Self wants him bad.
Bad enough to be put on probation - - if he has an handler and people talking about he going to highest bidder - - NO WAY
Eh, this is just how it works at this level of talent. Either play the game or have a team full of Mitch Lightfoot’s (Lightfeet?)
@FarmerJayhawk nope. - -you can still have really really good teams without having to pay people to come play - Why pay these guys and oh sure you win and then sooner then later it all get stripped away - -NOPE - -no thanks. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@FarmerJayhawk I sure in the hell hope Bill has not lowered himself to that level -If he has then he needs to go. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Duke is now recruiting Trendon Watford. Pretty sure they haven’t been on him until now. I know there is some Hurt and Duke smoke but wonder if this is a back up plan.
( I know Duke can take multiple 5* kids at the same position)
Woodrow said:
Duke is now recruiting Trendon Watford. Pretty sure they haven’t been on him until now. I know there is some Hurt and Duke smoke but wonder if this is a back up plan.
( I know Duke can take multiple 5* kids at the same position)
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/trendon-watford-3084 ↗
Duke isn’t even listed on his schools of interest so certainly this is new .
Woodrow said:
Woodrow said:
Duke is now recruiting Trendon Watford. Pretty sure they haven’t been on him until now. I know there is some Hurt and Duke smoke but wonder if this is a back up plan.
( I know Duke can take multiple 5* kids at the same position)
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/trendon-watford-3084 ↗
Duke isn’t even listed on his schools of interest so certainly this is new .
I misread this. That’s seemingly good news... although they need all the bodies they can get it looks like
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
Woodrow said:
Duke is now recruiting Trendon Watford. Pretty sure they haven’t been on him until now. I know there is some Hurt and Duke smoke but wonder if this is a back up plan.
( I know Duke can take multiple 5* kids at the same position)
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/trendon-watford-3084 ↗
Duke isn’t even listed on his schools of interest so certainly this is new .
I misread this. That’s seemingly good news... although they need all the bodies they can get it looks like
Yeah, as things stand Duke honestly wouldn't be that good next year. I expect they will get that taken care of though.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
Woodrow said:
Duke is now recruiting Trendon Watford. Pretty sure they haven’t been on him until now. I know there is some Hurt and Duke smoke but wonder if this is a back up plan.
( I know Duke can take multiple 5* kids at the same position)
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/trendon-watford-3084 ↗
Duke isn’t even listed on his schools of interest so certainly this is new .
I misread this. That’s seemingly good news... although they need all the bodies they can get it looks like
Yeah, as things stand Duke honestly wouldn't be that good next year. I expect they will get that taken care of though.
I still fully expect RJ to end up there next season.
Add in Hurt, and all of a sudden that starting 5 is 5 Top 50 freshman.
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
Woodrow said:
Duke is now recruiting Trendon Watford. Pretty sure they haven’t been on him until now. I know there is some Hurt and Duke smoke but wonder if this is a back up plan.
( I know Duke can take multiple 5* kids at the same position)
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/trendon-watford-3084 ↗
Duke isn’t even listed on his schools of interest so certainly this is new .
I misread this. That’s seemingly good news... although they need all the bodies they can get it looks like
Yeah, as things stand Duke honestly wouldn't be that good next year. I expect they will get that taken care of though.
I still fully expect RJ to end up there next season.
Add in Hurt, and all of a sudden that starting 5 is 5 Top 50 freshman.
Gross but true. They are the runaway #1 if they had Hampton and Hurt.
Gut feeling is RJ stays in 20. He wouldn’t play on ball at Duke next season and RJ REALLY wants to be a PG.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Gut feeling is RJ stays in 20. He wouldn’t play on ball at Duke next season and RJ REALLY wants to be a PG.
HE CAN DO BOTH
Also of note. RJ is like 6 months younger than Grimes. And Cassius Stanley is almost a year older than Grimes.
@FarmerJayhawk Who handles the ball for them next season then? I think Jones is gone. Boogie doesn't seem like anymore a PG than RJ.
Kcmatt7 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Who handles the ball for them next season then? I think Jones is gone. Boogie doesn't seem like anymore a PG than RJ.
I think Jones comes back but I’m not that sure.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Eh, this is just how it works at this level of talent. Either play the game or have a team full of Mitch Lightfoot’s (Lightfeet?)
A Lightfleet.
Duke getting involved with Cassius Stanley. I think KU has been out of this one for awhile. I think they're banking on Grimes coming back.
@FarmerJayhawk - Grimes returning is a better deal, IMHO.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Duke getting involved with Cassius Stanley. I think KU has been out of this one for awhile. I think they're banking on Grimes coming back.
Good.
Agree. Stanley doesn't move the needle with the guys we have already signed. He's an electric athlete but his all around games wouldn't upgrade the team next season. If Grimes does return that's huge if he continues on this improved play he's shown the last two games
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Duke getting involved with Cassius Stanley. I think KU has been out of this one for awhile. I think they're banking on Grimes coming back.
Good.
One word says it all!
Interesting that Duke is not trying to move in on guys they have not recruited at all so late in the game.
BeddieKU23 said:
Agree. Stanley doesn't move the needle with the guys we have already signed. He's an electric athlete but his all around games wouldn't upgrade the team next season. If Grimes does return that's huge if he continues on this improved play he's shown the last two games
nod, nod
He'd be a bench guy and I don't think he is going anywhere to come off the bench.
Agbaji being a total baller changed the need to recruit a wing imo. Dotson, Grimes, Garrett and Agbaji are all minute eaters assuming all are back next year.
Woodrow said:
Interesting that Duke is not trying to move in on guys they have not recruited at all so late in the game.
I assume you meant now instead of the first not.
That said they are Duke and they need more guys for next year so it makes a ton of sense. Just make a power play and bid enough.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Interesting that Duke is not trying to move in on guys they have not recruited at all so late in the game.
I assume you meant now instead of the first not.
That said they are Duke and they need more guys for next year so it makes a ton of sense. Just make a power play and bid enough.
Yes, I meant now. Talking about Watford and Stanley.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Duke getting involved with Cassius Stanley. I think KU has been out of this one for awhile. I think they're banking on Grimes coming back.
Well Buddy - -Got to say - -I'm beginning to lean more in that direction myself on Grimes - -I now am also thinking he just very well could come back next year. - Total opposite of what I was thinking. - -I think possibly he just maybe has hit the top of his Freshman difficulties and now progressing down the other side - -He is showing signs -- having said that , I just think he might very well come back learn more things have himself a solid year , work on his skills and THEN declare after next Season. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Agree. Stanley doesn't move the needle with the guys we have already signed. He's an electric athlete but his all around games wouldn't upgrade the team next season. If Grimes does return that's huge if he continues on this improved play he's shown the last two games
nod, nod
He'd be a bench guy and I don't think he is going anywhere to come off the bench.
Agbaji being a total baller changed the need to recruit a wing imo. Dotson, Grimes, Garrett and Agbaji are all minute eaters assuming all are back next year.
And I'm beginning to think they all will be. - A lot of People ar starting to worry about Dotson. -- I just don't think my boy is going anywhere THIS YEAR - -Now next year - -I wouldn't be promising anything.
Even though Devon has had a really good year - -solid - there is things he could still improve on - -could always work on his outside J still some yet - -I dunno but just overall little things. - -Would be a very solid class for us next year if all these guys returned which I'm thinking more and more they will. - -If somehow - Doke WOULD come back - -we would be really Salty - with McCormack' - -development and gaining experience and a Senior Mitch and our Newcomer's
Ok now have a quick question - - been wondering for some time - - showing stupidity - -please tell me what does IMO stand for - -lol - - sorry. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Dotson isn't even in the Top 10 of his position (for the draft). People are worried for no reason.
@jayballer73 in my opinion
Very brief KU target Damion Baugh popped for Memphis.
BeddieKU23 said:
Very brief KU target Damion Baugh popped for Memphis.
Yeah I don't think KU got serious with him. I also don't think he was ever playable with Garrett because they are so similar.
If the staff expects Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Agbaji, McBride and Braun to be on the roster next year I can't see adding another guard worth much.
I went and saw Adam Miller play in a fantastic game last night. Top 2 ranked teams in Illinois 3A. He scored 6 in the first half and 22 in the 2nd in a sweet 16 loss. He got many of those from the FT line. He forced a lot of threes, turned it over too much, so despite 28 points I wasn't entirely impressed except it was against a team loaded with DI prospects themselves. Illinois folks are really clamoring to get him of course which I understand
we got a couple of recruits on Campus today don't we? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
we got a couple of recruits on Campus today don't we? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I have good seats today! Got lucky!
@Crimsonorblue22 Have fun! Cheer your butt off!!!
A lot of buzz out there that Shaka is leaving UT. Will Baker and/or Kai Jones come on down!
FarmerJayhawk said:
A lot of buzz out there that Shaka is leaving UT. Will Baker and/or Kai Jones come on down!
Jones wanted KU but that one will be interesting theres arrangements that have been made in his situation to stay where hes going
There is only ONE small itsy bitsy teeny weeny problem facing us with all these kids we talking about plucking away when these programs crash and burn. - - That being is we ourselves might be in the same boat as these other programs. - -These kids are not going to want to transfer from one school where it's happening and jumping right to ANOTHER school facing the same possibilities - the possibility of probation and being barred from the Tourney for a bit - -it all sounds good but I'm sure not getting all hyped about these other kids possibly coming from these other schools until we get cleared from any penalities. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Just passing this along. The Hampton's reported to Matt Scott that their official visit to KU was "First Class".
From start to finish of the visit everything was first class," said Mr. Hampton. "Getting to see the day-to-day workings was impressive. At the end of the day you gotta respect tradition. We could see ourselves as a Jayhawk family. We will see!!!"
Nice tease there at the end. Unless Nike & Duke can't work out a deal can't see him ending here but at least we got an official visit. We'll see how it plays out
Lot's of CB's rolling in for Terrance Shannon to end up at Texas Tech. Terrance, you might want to wait until you know your coach is staying bud. Shannon has had one of the more fruitful recruitment's. LOL
He just committed.
Woodrow said:
He just committed.
And if Beard leaves won't be his last commitment. He's made a few along the way
Woodrow said:
He just committed.
Third time's the charm!
So it's looking like now it's becoming a fore gone conclusion that we have yet lost another recruit huh> - Looking more and More is now going to Duke -everything pointing that way for sure - - love how these guys can come in at the last minute and just snatch these guys - This FBI thing just eating us up -Jerry Meyer predicted Hurt to Duke this morning - -SOB - -ROCK CHALK ALL AY LONG BABY
Ehh the only recruits we have are Braun and McBride. The rest aren’t ours yet. KU casts a very wide recruiting net, so you will see more misses than hits just by numbers. Don’t fret until commited guys start jumping ship.
The recruit @jayballer73 is talking about has been the #1 target of Self for a few years now. Coached him as well. Losing him to Duke or any other program is certainly not what you want to see happen
@BeddieKU23 I’ve never been able to figure out the decision making process of a teenager, they do all kinds of stupid stuff. Ayton was a 100% KU lean, but then we learn he was given more money by Arizona (apparently 15k by Adidias isn’t enough when 100k is on the table). The checkbook is closed - I wouldn’t look for any 5 star recruits to sign. Add in the chance of a post season ban and loss of scholarships due to being caught by the FBI and I wouldn’t let my kid go to KU until I knew he could play in the NCAA tournament (esp if he’s a OAD).
So meh. IF KU signs a big time player that’s unexpected news, not potientally losing a recruit that hasn’t committed to anyone yet.
So question is - -should we even be interested in the Spring signing period at all? - Are we going to sign somebody just to say we signed somebody? - we got a body?
who here feels like we got more then a decent shot to land anybody that is somebody? - -If you do who? - -Who do you feel that we have a really decent shot at landing - -I mean more then decent? - I just can't get myself all hyped for spring signing.
The one I thought we had a lot better then average shot at now looks like he too is gone ( Hurt ) - -this FBI thing - -NCAA Thing has just killed us -trying times ahead. - I think in the next couple of years we are really gonna have our patience tested. - -Actually I'm not as concerned about next year as the year after
I think with Dotson - - - Garett - - -and I think Grimes back and I do think he will be back - - -McCormack - - Lightfoot - - Obaji - -w got a pretty good nucleus - -then add Braun and McBride - nothing lights out but we will be there -although we do need a really quality big - and just not sure were gonna get that.
But the following yr pretty nervous by that - -by then we will know all about any Scholi reductions - -any post season bans - and by then could very well be no Grimes - - no Dotson as that would be their Jr years - no Lightfoot due to graduating -- possible no Ochai -time will tell
The Spring will be ridiculously busy for us I think. So, yes, we should be interested in it.
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 I’ve never been able to figure out the decision making process of a teenager, they do all kinds of stupid stuff. Ayton was a 100% KU lean, but then we learn he was given more money by Arizona (apparently 15k by Adidias isn’t enough when 100k is on the table). The checkbook is closed - I wouldn’t look for any 5 star recruits to sign. Add in the chance of a post season ban and loss of scholarships due to being caught by the FBI and I wouldn’t let my kid go to KU until I knew he could play in the NCAA tournament (esp if he’s a OAD).
So meh. IF KU signs a big time player that’s unexpected news, not potientally losing a recruit that hasn’t committed to anyone yet.
I have no idea of the fallout from the Adidas trial and what lies ahead. We have only the two prospects signed because of it. Still, 5 star recruits are showing up on campus like Matthew Hurt, Precious Achiuwa and RJ Hampton so do teenagers see it the same way as us fans?
KU has starting spots to sell this spring. If the hammer is coming down why are recruits still coming. A lot seems to be unknown on that part, what exact punishments will KU get, if any. I quit worrying about it until they announce it's happening.
Quotes from Jerry Meyer that describe our unenviable landscape .. maybe a Lucas/Traylor-like spring.
https://247sports.com/Article/Kansas-Basketball-recruiting-FBI-case--129841509/ ↗
Could be a Traylor/Lucas Spring. Could be a Xavier Henry-like Spring of poaching.
Someone will fill those scholarships.
https://247sports.com/Article/College-basketball-recruiting-mailbag-129991076/ ↗
Evan Daniels talks about a few guys from the 2020 class that could reclassify to 2019. Obviously R.J. Hampton is the big name but he also mentioned N'Faly Dante and said KU is one of four schools recruiting him. He list KU, Ketucky, LSU, and Oregon. That kind of surprised me, because I hadn't really seen him and KU mentioned together for awhile. Just assumed he was a Nike kid.
What do you take of this line in there
There’s a chance Bill Self is going to be subpoenaed and testifying,” Meyer said. “Who knows where this stuff could go? They even said in court that Self was involved with a money transaction with Billy Preston.
Testifying in which case? Adidas trial already happened.
Involved with money transaction? Jerry sounds a bit off base here. Self wouldn't be coaching if scenario 2 was true.
Why would Self be subpoenaed and testify in a case that has nothing to do with KU?? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
@BeddieKU23 @Woodrow I kind of interpreted that as Jerry Meyer repeating what was said on the recruiting trail, the worries of recruits --- meaning that factual accuracy might not be the highest priority. Actually, what is happening now to Miller and Wade is exactly what I was concerned about for Self. It would sure be a big relief if this has passed by coach Self without him getting a subpoena.
FWIW I think Memphis and UK are out on RJ if he moves to 2019. The way it’s trending I think he stays in 2020.
FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW I think Memphis and UK are out on RJ if he moves to 2019. The way it’s trending I think he stays in 2020.
If he was going to re class again he should have still in the class of 2019 instead of going into the class of 2020
Texas A&M fired their coach a few days ago so that might open up some players.
Keion Brooks picked Kentucky. Really good player. Will replace Johnson with zero issue
I guess Nike is spreading some money around to Georgia. 3rd Top 100 Small Forward signing with Christian Brown. They have Anthony Edwards as well at SG..
Gotta love 4 Top 100 kids signing to a 11-21 squad. I'm sure its all on the up and up
Maybe we start a new thread for potential de-commits?
Have to think the 3 Vandy committs open up their recruitment. I would take Pippen Jr. as a walk-on. Disu not that interested in. I think Crowley is probably criminally underranked based on a few of his offers.
https://247sports.com/player/dylan-disu-46054535/ ↗
https://247sports.com/player/austin-crowley-46040950/ ↗
A&M recruits don't much interest me. I probably wouldn't be disappointed with Tyreek Smith. He had big boys after him.
https://247sports.com/player/sahvir-wheeler-45572883/ ↗
https://247sports.com/player/tyreek-smith-46046798/ ↗
Have heard KU and UNC are leading for Precious. Honestly he may not take any more visits.
That's big. Both schools have positions open for him
Yes please.
Well this should be our favorite thread of the offseason
Or an even more depressing one. Lordy I hope we hear the punishments soon and can move on.
@BeddieKU23 I really think it hurts us with anyone but Precious. We may have to return everyone we possibly can out of necessity. I really am worried about a post-season ban.
If we receive a post season ban for what's been presented to us from the trial then I've lost all confidence in this sport as it is constructed and I'll have to find something else to enjoy in life.
I have no idea how this will shake out but I'm sure it will leave us having lost ALL hope in the NCAA ever doing the right thing
Just get it over with so we can move on. Arizona recovered nicely after one year of off recruiting, but now it looks like everyone could get fired. 🤔
Just read a quote where Self said they need to sign a couple athletic difference makers who can make plays you can’t coach. Pretty much all of Auburn’s roster. It’s refrehing that he’s acknowledging the deficiencies the team he built has. Hopefully he can go out and land some of those guys.
Also find some damn shooters.
Woodrow said:
Just read a quote where Self said they need to sign a couple athletic difference makers who can make plays you can’t coach. Pretty much all of Auburn’s roster. It’s refrehing that he’s acknowledging the deficiencies the team he built has. Hopefully he can go out and land some of those guys.
Also find some damn shooters.
Got the shooters already though you can never have enough.
At least Bill said the right things, now let's see how the class ends up.
Not a ton in here on Precious, but says he won't decide until May. No other visits planned right now, but says he is planning on taking a couple more.
Also saw where Hurt is working on a visit to Memphis.
Woodrow said:
Not a ton in here on Precious, but says he won't decide until May. No other visits planned right now, but says he is planning on taking a couple more.
Also saw where Hurt is working on a visit to Memphis.
You beat me to the article lol. - -The only thing I saw an it isn't squat - just difference of wording between the visits with KU and N Carolina:
Of his N Carolina visit: - - said ya it was good - -they was playing Duke and was the biggest game on tv for basketball -it was a good trip
On his KU visit : - -It was GREAT - -was talking about the fans and enviroment- - -talking about how the fans showing energy - not the words he said but I can't spell the word so - -pssssst lol. - -Again it was just the way he worded = I know really reaching but hey it's my post - -let me reach and stretch things to the way I want to fit things lol - In my fantasy world means he enjoyed his trip to KU more then to N Carolina lol - -hey I can fantasize right? lol - - did say no more trips scheduled RIGHT NOW but they are looking and they will - -no decision until late May probably. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 I don't want this guy. Not unless he changes his name.
How about VLAD?
Or Zeus?
Maybe Gunnar?
Cleotis might be OK. Yeah, Cleotis Achiuwa. Nice ring to it.
Anything but Precious. We have enough Precious' on the team now.
Well its better then he's brother's name- God's Gift
@BeddieKU23 PLEASE tell me you're kidding.
nuleafjhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 PLEASE tell me you're kidding.
NO not kidding - -that is his brother name lol
nuleafjhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 PLEASE tell me you're kidding.
I wish I was. His brother played at St Johns a few years back. I'll take Precious, given the choice and he's a way better player then his older brother
For those that don't know Matthew Hurt has set his announcement date for April 19th and is set to announce at a Ceremony at his High School.
Who knows if KU lands him but his decision easily has to be one of the most significant in the Self era considering all that KU has gone through this season and on the recruiting front.
He has officially visited KU, UK, UNC, Duke. All the heavy hitters.
Here's his comments on KU, the coaches and what role the staff has been selling him on. Self coached Matthew last summer with Team USA, the same team that had Quentin Grimes.
“I like their atmosphere". “I’m really close with their coaching staff, just what they do every day and their academics person is really close with the guys, even if they go to the NBA. So it’s more of a family there.”
To that end, Hurt told Eric Bossi, that the family environment at KU extends beyond the players and their bond together.
“Their coaching staff’s really close,” Hurt told Bossi, noting that KU assistant Jerrance Howard was the lead recruiter for his services. “Me and him are pretty close.”
As for how Self, Howard and the rest of the KU program were trying to pitch him on picking Kansas, Hurt said KU’s willingness to let him play on the perimeter, and play to his strengths, was something that stood out.
“A combination of like Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre, Josh Jackson, taller guys that can put the ball on the floor,” he said when asked how KU might use him. “That’s their message. They think they can train me to be a big guard and those are the three guys in the NBA that they want me to look at right now and how they did at Kansas.”
This always sucks. You have to hope they at least tell the schools early. "We know where we are going but we are going to wait a month to tell everyone."
Drives me crazy every year.
@BeddieKU23 All the heavy hitters - plus KU.
KU just needs someone to pop for them and commit. It is like everyone is scared to do so and it feels like once we get that first big name things will go back to normal. Obviously if we don't get hammered by the NCAA. Also, there is some buzz out there about Self moving on this Summer and while I do not believe it I guarantee you that it is being used against him.
BeddieKU23 said:
Here's his comments on KU, the coaches and what role the staff has been selling him on. Self coached Matthew last summer with Team USA, the same team that had Quentin Grimes.
“I like their atmosphere". “I’m really close with their coaching staff, just what they do every day and their academics person is really close with the guys, even if they go to the NBA. So it’s more of a family there.”
To that end, Hurt told Eric Bossi, that the family environment at KU extends beyond the players and their bond together.
“Their coaching staff’s really close,” Hurt told Bossi, noting that KU assistant Jerrance Howard was the lead recruiter for his services. “Me and him are pretty close.”
As for how Self, Howard and the rest of the KU program were trying to pitch him on picking Kansas, Hurt said KU’s willingness to let him play on the perimeter, and play to his strengths, was something that stood out.
“A combination of like Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre, Josh Jackson, taller guys that can put the ball on the floor,” he said when asked how KU might use him. “That’s their message. They think they can train me to be a big guard and those are the three guys in the NBA that they want me to look at right now and how they did at Kansas.”
Now see those quotes from him sound very encouraging to me. - -But I'm sure he has says a lot of good things about the other schools also. - Yet this gives me some renewed hope. keeping fingers crossed. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
New 2019 offer https://247sports.com/Player/Harlond-Beverly-46040841/ ↗
FarmerJayhawk said:
New 2019 offer https://247sports.com/Player/Harlond-Beverly-46040841/ ↗
Wonder if this is related to Q’s decision
McDonalds game on tomorrow night at 6 on ESPN 2 --- - little side note to the McDonalds game
For the 1st time since 2004 - - a girl won the Dunk contest - -she beat out Scottie Lewis & Precious for the Championship - -WOW showed her dunks - -showed one of Precious Dunking between the legs - -Dam he is a specimen. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Just saw the interview Achiuwa did with Rivals. Watch Georgia get in his recruitment. Money bags going around for both Football/Basketball
@jayballer73 I'm sorry. I must be a backwards, anti-social pig of some sorts, but I can't get excited AT ALL about someone named Precious. I don't care if he's the next Wilt.
BeddieKU23 said:
Just saw the interview Achiuwa did with Rivals. Watch Georgia get in his recruitment. Money bags going around for both Football/Basketball
Whaaaat? Nothing going on there. Crean, the guy who couldn't win at Indi-freaking-ana was always a superstar recruiter. He was just keeping his talents hidden.
Hurt likely going to Memphis for a visit this weekend. Like I said, this one is definitely not in the bag. For anyone.
nuleafjhawk said:
@jayballer73 I'm sorry. I must be a backwards, anti-social pig of some sorts, but I can't get excited AT ALL about someone named Precious. I don't care if he's the next Wilt.
I don't give a dam what his name is - -If he can ball - - then he can be named whatever the hell he wants - - All I care about is if he can play period. -I'm not in some romantic relationship with the guy = =so who the hell cares lol. - - if he has the ability to make others being the ones looking like someone Precious - then - Do Your Thing Boy. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 I just watched him in the McD game.....We have to get this guy!!
@nuleafjhawk hey she could dunk on you! 💃
@Crimsonorblue22 No doubt. And after she did, she'd probably stare me down and call me "Precious".
@nuleafjhawk and u might be very afraid.🤣💪🏻
nuleafjhawk said:
@jayballer73 I'm sorry. I must be a backwards, anti-social pig of some sorts, but I can't get excited AT ALL about someone named Precious. I don't care if he's the next Wilt.
That kid needs a nickname. Makes me think of the Johnny Cash song — A Boy Named Sue.
nuleafjhawk said:
@Crimsonorblue22 No doubt. And after she did, she'd probably stare me down and call me "Precious".
ARE YOU PRECIOUS LMAO ?
HighEliteMajor said:
nuleafjhawk said:
@jayballer73 I'm sorry. I must be a backwards, anti-social pig of some sorts, but I can't get excited AT ALL about someone named Precious. I don't care if he's the next Wilt.
That kid needs a nickname. Makes me think of the Johnny Cash song — A Boy Named Sue.
I just don't get this feel that Precious is really to over concerned about what you think of his name
@jayballer73 how did hurt do?
not really sure - -just watched the 1st half - -and then saw Precious had 22 and pretty much manhandled his way on the inside. But Precious was PRECIOUS lol. -- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
8 pts 5 boards
@Crimsonorblue22 They both looked pretty darn good to me.
Seeing picks for Chris Harris Jr to Oklahoma St. Not sure why KU is not all over this kid. As good a shooter as you will find in the class and has a developed body already at 6'3. Best friends with Tyrese Maxey who is going to Kentucky and will be a OAD. Kid can play
@BeddieKU23 I wonder when we will see KU make some moves here. Gotta think something is coming with Charlie announcing he is leaving.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I wonder when we will see KU make some moves here. Gotta think something is coming with Charlie announcing he is leaving.
It’s been weirdly quiet. Self has meetings this week with all the guys who may leave so we should get a better feel for things then. Thankfully most guys aren’t deciding until mid to late April. And for Precious could be as late as around Memorial Day. Some guys who are thinking about reclassifying could show up in August. So buckle up. It’s shaping up to be a weird offseason.
The quietness makes it seem maybe some guys that we think are leaving either are not or are a lot more on the fence than people think. I think Dedric is 100% gone. Maybe Doke and Grimes are on the fence...?
I haven’t seen KU linked with any transfers whether it be a grad or a true transfer.
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Beverly is down too KU, Baylor, Georgia, Indiana, Alabama, and Miami.
Woodrow said:
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Beverly is down too KU, Baylor, Georgia, Indiana, Alabama, and Miami.
My lord what a cesspool the replies are. Expected but still...
Anyway, he'd be a great get.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
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Beverly is down too KU, Baylor, Georgia, Indiana, Alabama, and Miami.
My lord what a cesspool the replies are. Expected but still...
Anyway, he'd be a great get.
He is a lot better then I thought. Ideal 2 guard imo. I think Harris is better personally as a shooter but Beverly is an athlete that can shoot. Heck I'd take both
well I now how people feel about Matt Scott - me myself - -I can take him or leave him - - doesn't matter.
However , - -he I feel made a pretty good point - he and Mat Tait were talking today about KU recruiting possibilities , and made sense to me. - they were mentioning coup[le of possible re-classifications one Being RJ Hampton and what he said about Hampton I think everyone would pretty much agree with. - He said he feels that if he does re-classify , that KU already has a pretty decent guard with Devon - -and Duke he thinks may very well be losing Jones - -in summary meaning if he re-classifies - -probably Duke - -but if he stays in his class - then KU has a pretty decent chance.
Then he talked about and I know by far not spelling the name but you should be able to decifer - -The kid from Wichita academy? -Afyante? - -sorry hell I don't know how to spell it BUT -talking about what he will be like after he learns the game - - -Brut strength - more like a physical version of Hurt - -right now just a bully lol.
The point I liked in a way the most - - - ---made me think - - Tait asked him what he thought about possible re-classification - he stated that it was one of those situations where it would be a on again - - of again topic - he said his thought - - was if guys weren't thinking about re-classifying - -why would you take your official visits - -means one of two things - -your either re-classifying - -OR making a really early decision where your going - -- makes sense. to me. - -He finished off by saying gonna be a crazy two weeks or month. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@BeddieKU23 When you say "athlete that can't shoot," I think of Marcus Garrett and the problems he causes with offensive flow. I love Garrett, all the more so if he develops a jumper, but assuming he doesn't...do we really want two Garrett-type players on the roster?
Enaruna is 6'7, 6'8ish not that rumored 6'10. Long ways to go with this guy. Long and lean. Has tools but will take a few years
@BeddieKU23 Beverly.
They was talking about needs yesterday in the recruiting segment , talking about how KU this year was NOT really that athletic -and saying how KU needed to recruit athletes.
They gave examples an said - -now if KU were to land Hurt & a guy like Precious - - -and add them to Oachi & Dotson? Then you would have a athletic team
Copied
Harlond Beverly and Achiuwa are playing at 2 pm central time on ESPN2.
Dam -- Beverly just tearing it up - - has 22 points after 3 quarters - -ya think I like him - - like him a lot.
Precious there - Robinson Earle there. - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY
Beverly is a badass and we need him.
Well I know this has nothing to do with 2019 recruiting - or for that matter even 2020 but saw this and had to share give you a laugh for a Saturday hell even a laugh of the week but seen it thought I'd share it anyways:
See where we are in the top 5 for Bronny James - -listed his top 5. - In case this name doesn't ring a bell - -He is Lebron's kid - - lol- -he has UK - - N Carol - - Duke - - -KU - - -& UCLA as his 5 - -OH by the way he just happens to be 14 yrs old too lol.
Like others said this kid will never touch a College Basketball court. - -He has already said he would love to be able to play one year against his daddy before Lebron retires. - but hey made his top 5 - -people saying if he went College at all - -would be of course Duke - -go figure lol -- OH quick little un-related side note for the people that thinks Lo - -stands for laughing out loud - -NOPE your wrong it stands for ( Low On Liquor ) - - -have a great day my friends. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 That totally sucks, being low on liquor
KU going after JUCO Jervay Green. Currently committed to Nebraska.
His dad roots for Duke. 🤢
dylans said:
His dad roots for Duke. 🤢
Duke has a lot of tshirt fans.
@BShark I kinda understand why. If you’re a casual fan you need a relevant team every season. Duke, UNC, UK, and KU are the only teams that fit that billing currently. Three are far enough east, 2 are in the media darling acc. Pick you team, OADs are the rage Duke wins there.
Casual fans won’t wait on a team thru the down years.
BShark said:
dylans said:
His dad roots for Duke. 🤢
Duke has a lot of tshirt fans.
Especially in Nebraska for some reason. Very odd.
dylans said:
@BShark I kinda understand why. If you’re a casual fan you need a relevant team every season. Duke, UNC, UK, and KU are the only teams that fit that billing currently. Three are far enough east, 2 are in the media darling acc. Pick you team, OADs are the rage Duke wins there.
Casual fans won’t wait on a team thru the down years.
I THINK IT WILL BE DUKE FOR HIM
RJ Hampton down to 4: KU, Duke, Memphis, UK, and will cut to 3 soon. Seems more and more likely he’ll end up in 2019. I think UK gets the axe
I’m legitimately wondering if Self will have 13 scholarship players next year. I mean legit KU players. I just don’t see how he is going to find 5 players this late in the game. Going to be fascinating to watch.
FarmerJayhawk said:
RJ Hampton down to 4: KU, Duke, Memphis, UK, and will cut to 3 soon. Seems more and more likely he’ll end up in 2019. I think UK gets the axe
Seems like he is Duke bound regardless .
I doubt we get 13. It’s pretty hard for any program to get 13 legit guys in any given year.
Woodrow said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
RJ Hampton down to 4: KU, Duke, Memphis, UK, and will cut to 3 soon. Seems more and more likely he’ll end up in 2019. I think UK gets the axe
Seems like he is Duke bound regardless .
Rumor is it's not Duke if he reclassifies, but remains to be seen. He's got an entire summer to get more classes if needed.
@FarmerJayhawk I am not talking about getting 13 top 100 kids and or immediate impact kids. I understand that’s not feasible in most cases. I’m talking about kids that actually belong at the KU level. We have already heard Self is combing through the Juco ranks. JC kids hardly ever pan out at the next level.
Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk I am not talking about getting 13 top 100 kids and or immediate impact kids. I understand that’s not feasible in most cases. I’m talking about kids that actually belong at the KU level. We have already heard Self is combing through the Juco ranks. JC kids hardly ever pan out at the next level.
Right. I’m saying it’s really common for blue bloods to have one or two open every year. If a guy leaves unexpectedly a lot of times it’s better to keep it for the next year or for a mid year transfer than take a flier on a kid who probably isn’t going to cut it
I could care less how we do it but we need a full 13. Just to deal with guys who cant play via eligibility, injury, who knows what else but we are great at having a less then 100% roster by the time it matters
BeddieKU23 said:
I could care less how we do it but we need a full 13. Just to deal with guys who cant play via eligibility, injury, who knows what else but we are great at having a less then 100% roster by the time it matters
Self is going to have to channel his inner Roy and bring back everyone who’s on the margin of staying or going pro.
Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.
Everything is leaning towards Duke way for hurt
@FarmerJayhawk why is that?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk why is that?
Hurt wants to play with a bunch of talented guards. If Duke’s situation was really unclear, like Goldwire/Ellis/grad transfer, it’s a lot less appealing to play there. KU with Dotson is appealing too, but seems like Hurt has bought into being RJ Barrett but a better shooter or whatever BS K sold him.
If Hurt signs with Duke, I REALLY want to lock up Shakur Juiston. I’ve always liked his game and he’s the kind of steady presence we could use. He’s also a really good passer. And then hope like hell we can pull Stanley or Grimes comes back. Which FWIW I’ve asked on Cassius and the plurality of folks think he’ll be a Jayhawk but nobody was very sure. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he’d push his commitment date back.
@FarmerJayhawk thx, I wanted juice to start with, but I'm not sure where Self plays him. Wonder how his knee is?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk thx, I wanted juice to start with, but I'm not sure where Self plays him. Wonder how his knee is?
Same here! Unfortunately for us he wanted to start and not back up Billy. Oops. I’m sure that’ll be part of the vetting process for every school. Assuming he’s healthy, sign him up
FarmerJayhawk said:
Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.
LETS GET RJ HAMPTON. WOOOO. lol...
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.
LETS GET RJ HAMPTON. WOOOO. lol...
Memphis
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.
LETS GET RJ HAMPTON. WOOOO. lol...
Memphis
Sure looks that way. Long way to go though.
Sure looks like KU will add a bunch of guys we don't even know the name of yet.
BShark said:
Sure looks like KU will add a bunch of guys we don't even know the name of yet.
I think we’ll be following it into July. There will be some reclassifications (Dante, Hampton) and guys can graduate in the summer and transfer. Could be wild or pretty tame depending on Grimes, Doke, and Silvio. Get 2/3 and we’re set.
Here’s the list of guys I’m tracking:
Hampton
Stanley
Beverly
Tucker
Utomi
Juiston
Hurt
Achiuwa
Dante
🐦 View Tweet?s=21
Johnathan Givony seems to think Hurt will be at Duke
Same with Russ Wood and Cory Evans from rivals.com. Whoever they are
@FarmerJayhawk So....Does it looks like we have a good shot at Stanley or Beverly if Grimes leaves?
rockchalkwyo said:
Same with Russ Wood and Cory Evans from rivals.com. Whoever they are
Corey at Rivals is legit. This one’s over guys.
Hawk8086 said:
@FarmerJayhawk So....Does it looks like we have a good shot at Stanley or Beverly if Grimes leaves?
At this point I’d say Stanley is more likely than Beverly, but with Charlie gone we’ll have room for both if Grimes leaves. Beverly isn’t a guy that you’d want playing 30 MPG as a freshman.
@FarmerJayhawk yeah he’s picking Stanley to choose KU. I’m sure you knew that already though
rockchalkwyo said:
@FarmerJayhawk yeah he’s picking Stanley to choose KU. I’m sure you knew that already though
I knew he was bullish anyway
FarmerJayhawk said:
rockchalkwyo said:
Same with Russ Wood and Cory Evans from rivals.com. Whoever they are
Corey at Rivals is legit. This one’s over guys.
Who is this in regards too ?
Hurt
Damn . I have no clue how Self is going to fill this recruiting class, but if he does so effectively I will never question him again.
I’m not holding my breath though. It’s looking pretty bleak to say the least.
Nobody should be surprised that Nike wins that recruitment
It’s funny how new recruits seem to be scared away from SDSs allegations but not when it comes to Duke
.. R.J. Hampton continues to round out his game. The five-star's talent level and athleticism makes him elite right off of the bat. Now that he can defend multiple spots, create for others and himself and has filled out more, the production has followed suit. Kansas and Memphis are the front-runners, with Duke and Kentucky not too far behind.
From Corey Evans ( Rivals)
Most official twitter accounts for those who follow NCAAB are saying Hurt to Duke. Just sayin’....
@Gorilla72 yup it might be a good thing. I know a few people mentioned it but maybe recruiting too 10 players is a bad thing. They’ll most likely be gone the following year anyways.
I’m just nervous about UCLA getting Rick Barnes (which sounds very likely) and then swooping I’m on Stanley.
Every year there’s something to worry about during the off-season and Self finds a way. This year was just a perfect storm of unfortunate events happening at once. It’s certainly not the beginning of the end by any means.
rockchalkwyo said:
@Gorilla72 yup it might be a good thing. I know a few people mentioned it but maybe recruiting too 10 players is a bad thing. They’ll most likely be gone the following year anyways.
I’m just nervous about UCLA getting Rick Barnes (which sounds very likely) and then swooping I’m on Stanley.
Every year there’s something to worry about during the off-season and Self finds a way. This year was just a perfect storm of unfortunate events happening at once. It’s certainly not the beginning of the end by any means.
If Rick does end up at UCLA he has no relationship with Stanley
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.
LETS GET RJ HAMPTON. WOOOO. lol...
IT IS OFFICIAL TRE JONES WIL BE BACK
So Duke out for Hampton then?
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
So Duke out for Hampton then?
Duke is never out. That said, Memphis and KU are well positioned if Hampton reclasses.
Is he going to reclassify?
Hope so.
I'm just gonna say - -no evidence - nothing to really go of on - But I'm just gonna predict - -we end up with Stanley - -just like I was riding Devon's boat for quite some time. - -Were getting Stanley
When is the deadline to decide whether a player can declare or return?
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
So Duke out for Hampton then?
In 2019, yes.
And the way I understand it, RJ is out of eligibility in varsity TX HS competition. He’ll either transfer or go to college in 2019.
FarmerJayhawk said:
And the way I understand it, RJ is out of eligibility in varsity TX HS competition. He’ll either transfer or go to college in 2019.
He hasn't decided if hes going to stay at his high school or go some were eles
Offered Kyree Walker who is 2020 but already moved back a grade so could reclass. Stud wing.
UCLA is now recruiting Precious. That just seems like a weird recruitment all the way around.
Woodrow said:
UCLA is now recruiting Precious. That just seems like a weird recruitment all the way around.
It’s gonna be banana$
BShark said:
Offered Kyree Walker who is 2020 but already moved back a grade so could reclass. Stud wing.
Would take. Arkansas and Memphis the ones to beat
Money has always been the most important factor in that recruitment. Been hearing such for over a yr now
My good friend knows his old Jersey coach and unfortunately precious just has people in his circle that it is what it is. Whatever school gets him is just an 8 month rental anyway. A classic case of a kid that should be allowed to go pro. I dont think Roy could put up with his circle, he fits their style the best tho
BeddieKU23 said:
Money has always been the most important factor in that recruitment. Been hearing such for over a yr now
That’s what I was trying to insinuate . It’s almost like they aren’t even hiding it. I mean he’s saying he is wide open to any school still.
Woodrow said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Money has always been the most important factor in that recruitment. Been hearing such for over a yr now
That’s what I was trying to insinuate . It’s almost like they aren’t even hiding it. I mean he’s saying he is wide open to any school still.
I think the fact he visited Roy and Bill and left with those comments was alluding to that. Also that neither school could afford to risk him on their roster.. unfortunate. Such a talent
@BeddieKU23 The whole money thing is making me sick.
Beverly visiting Georgia this weekend
Woodrow said:
Beverly visiting Georgia this weekend
Lol. Nothing to see in Athens
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
Beverly visiting Georgia this weekend
Lol. Nothing to see in Athens
Except bags of cash
Well I myself has some new energy/ new hope. Read an Article written by Cory Evans from rivals taking questions on recruiting - I felt some encourgement from what he had to say:
Cory was taking questions on recruiting. -he was ask the question was - - --With Tre Jones returning to Duke did this make Memphis the leader for RJ ? - - his response was - - -Well Memphis was the 1st program to host Hampton for an official back in September. Said he visited KU last month - - said he could also visit Duke & Kentucky in the coming weeks - - these 4 make up his final lists and with a crowded back court at Kentucky & the return of Tre Jones to Durham that it might be really difficult to see him at either with his desire to be used on the ball.
Cory then went on to say - -HOWEVER do not count out KU. -Charlie Moore just transferred out and there are some question marks surrounding Quentin. - - Cory said Devon will return to KU but Kansas - is still Kansas and that KU sits in just as good of a spot with Hampton as Memphis - -Gives me hope - would be huge.
Then Cory was asked - -- What's the latest on Precious and the School that he feels he goes to?
Cory responded saying - - total toss up right now with Precious Acheuiwa - - Georgia and North Carolina are the Dark Horse's BUT KU & Memphis might be the MORE accurate predications as to what school he ends up - -Again sound like we are leading there with Memphis - -would be another huge pick up
If we were to end up with Precious and RJ would really turn our recruiting lass into a very nice class. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 ".. our recruiting lass"
Hmmm, that might get us in trouble.
@jayballer73 so, are you calling it? That we are using the asses of lasses as a recruiting tool?
Brewtal transfer rumors, gutted roster potentially...a dizzying time to even begin to contemplate next season. Getting completely outclassed in NCAA tournament only mitigated by fact we were up/down all season, lineup changes degraded from preseason#1 down to starting 4 frosh. At least McCormack got developmental experience. Dedric plateaued talent, might as well earn Euros or fringeNBA money. Good luck to Moore in some mid major conf, he can start rt away at D2 level. KJ passing on a chance to be a versatile wing at 6’7.
Hope Silvio’s appeal after time-served will allow some eligibility this coming season, can only hope. Garrett, Dotson, Mitch all better shoot 600 3s/day in practice. Learn to play D from Self like TxTech and Va. proved you can with current rules.
So far Bruce Pearl has proved he can beat a veteran KU roster with 4 walkons, or he can cut & paste a non-veteran KU roster into the Tourney-discard-heap with equal gusto complete with made-for-camera-replay coach poses. He has definitely figured out the biz-corp approach to college bball, and is surprisingly good at it. Not sure I’d go so far as to say I’m personally entertained though. The fact he gutted 3 royalty programs in succession is a remarkable occurrence, though. We just cant seem to get 3ball defense consistently. Sigh...
Now that season is over, safe to say my favorite exTexTech player is...Patrick Mahomes.
Marco said:
@jayballer73 so, are you calling it? That we are using the asses of lasses as a recruiting tool?
I HAVE no fricken IDEA what the hell your talking about with all that jibber jabber -lmao - -I do know we are still in it for RJ & Precious - -I know that lmao
Ku and Kentucky will meet with Hurt this week. Presumably to be told he is not going to either
Self meeting with RJ Hampton today
Woodrow said:
Self meeting with RJ Hampton today
in home visit
How does this uncertainty effect recruiting? It means recruits can speculate that a player of Grimes’ caliber could return until May 29, I suppose. It seems the late roster turnover hurts KUs recruiting most years. More upper class men are easy to replace as its easily predicable by recruits and coaches both.
A new NCAA rule allows a player who has declared for the draft to return to school even if he has enlisted the services of an agent to help him test his professional prospects. There are several stipulations attached, and if the player returns to school, he must end the relationship with the agent. The deadline to pull out of the draft is May 29.
80th ranked recruit
I think Grimes made it as clear as he could in his statement and Self backs it up. Should have a starting spot to sell to Stanley.
I wouldn't say he was never engaged!
Day 1 there's been an open spot
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Day 1 there's been an open spot
I still have faith Bill (and Adidas) find a way to fill the roster. Between Hampton, Precious, Dante, Beverly and transfers, we will have a squad next season.
I do still have to wonder about Doke and De Sousa, but I'm sure Bill already knows what's going on with those two.
RJ still going to finish his AAU season though. Can someone explain to me why they do this? Is it because he still has school to finish? Or because he can get paid under the table all summer if he plays AAU ball?
Also, just thought about how USA Basketball helped KU exaclty none amount. I don't even know why coaches do it at this point. It hasn't helped a single coach recruit yet. Not even Stumpy or Cal.
BeddieKU23 said:
Ku and Kentucky will meet with Hurt this week. Presumably to be told he is not going to either
ya probably so. - Is this at the School's request OR Hurt's request? - If it is him requesting to meet with them then for sure 100 % he is letting them know. - - If he is meeting with them this late in the week - why else would he be meeting with both schools? - he sure isn't telling them both that he is committing to their school's.
losing another player that we were suppose to be such a heavy lean just like Ayton only to have them to commit to another school is really starting to chap my ass. Pretty sick of this crap
Kcmatt7 said:
Also, just thought about how USA Basketball helped KU exaclty none amount. I don't even know why coaches do it at this point. It hasn't helped a single coach recruit yet. Not even Stumpy or Cal.
Pretty funny to look back on it now. I remember reading countless articles about how much of a unfair advantage it gave Self when it came to recruiting those kids and we got absolutely nothing from it.
BShark said:
I think Grimes made it as clear as he could in his statement and Self backs it up. Should have a starting spot to sell to Stanley.
Unless Hampton re classifies right? - - right? - been some talk if he commits to KU him and Dotson would play the 1 & the 2 at the same time
When is it that Stanley said he was going to make his choice? - -it's really close isn't it? - - Watch the way our season has gone - watch him commit to Oregon. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Stanley's father said he hasn't heard from UCLA or Cronin yet, and that he has never talked with Cronin prior to UCLA. He also said he will have a meeting with UCLA "out of respect for the program." It makes it seem like it's going to be Kansas or Oregon for Stanley.
Did Stanley ever visit Oregon?
OK, - -got a question. What would your guys take be if this situation came up.
Let's say Beverly wanted to commit to KU ? - - let's say Hampton was still on the board and that the staff felt comfortable that he was gonna re classify - -and that he was really interested but hadn't made a commitment . - -Again Beverly wanted to commit - - So what do we do? - - do we by pass on Beverly cause Bennett is really interested - knowing that the higher rated Bennet good chance we land him - -or do we go ahead and take Beverly? - -which way do you go? - for me - -I take the commit from Beverly - -as good as Bennet is I'd rather take a quality guy and KNOW that he is ours then take that chance and then not end up later landing Bennett and end up losing out on both - -what you think? - which way would you go. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Kcmatt7 said:
Did Stanley ever visit Oregon
Seems like they did. -I think seems to me he is announcing next week
@jayballer73 there’s an article in rivals that said Stanley will decide on the 17 th and hurt the 19th.
Watch Bill close on Stanley and Hampton and Doke stays lol.
A pipe dream, but it'd be one hell of a group.
Our guard situation still seems okay regardless of what happens with Stanley or Hampton. Doke staying would be huge because it doesn't look like we're getting Hurt or Achiuwa. I'd much rather have senior Doke anyway.
@jayballer73 In finance they talk about present vs future value of money. It's understood that the present value of a dollar is always more valuable than that same dollar in the future. Same reason why everyone who wins the lottery should take the lump sum.
I'd take the commit. Our roster is looking too thin to be very picky or to take big gambles. Also, seems like we are going to have plenty of spots open for all comers if you ask me.
rockchalkwyo said:
@jayballer73 there’s an article in rivals that said Stanley will decide on the 17 th and hurt the 19th.
ya just read that - -so feel a lot better o the chances of Stanley over Hurt
Kcmatt7 said:
Watch Bill close on Stanley and Hampton and Doke stays lol.
- PG: Dotson - Mcbride
- SG: Hampton
- SF : Stanley
- PF: Ochai - Garrett
- C: Doke - Big Dave - Mitch
A pipe dream, but it'd be one hell of a group.
As laughable as you say - it sounds got a question , the one out of the entire group that I thought for sure would be gone - It was Doke. - the question being if he was 100% gone - why is he one of the last possible two to go - -why is it he is the one who hasn't said anything yet? - IS He thinking about returning for his Senior? - Never say never.
Actually I think we have a solid chance at Stanley AND Hampton
benshawks08 said:
@jayballer73 In finance they talk about present vs future value of money. It's understood that the present value of a dollar is always more valuable than that same dollar in the future. Same reason why everyone who wins the lottery should take the lump sum.
I'd take the commit. Our roster is looking too thin to be very picky or to take big gambles. Also, seems like we are going to have plenty of spots open for all comers if you ask me.
you thinking pretty much the same as me - -I'll take the commit - the 1st to commit - -I'm taking - -if we get the 2nd later on then hell ya - -but I'm not gonna pass up on a quality player for the possibility of higher ranked - again possibility
Well just a little follow up with Precious, just another random thought. - - Was reading and thinking following on what Cory Evans was saying and then seen this today.
Cory had said it was a toss up right now with Precious and that Georgia and N Carolina was the dark horse's but that KU and Memphis were probably the more accurate places for Precious to land very well could be KU & Memphis - - so OK if that indeed is truly the Case then - - - -
I would think would have to help us with Precious as I seen that Memphis is trending pretty hard with Trendon Watford I believe is his name 6'9 - - - -5* think him and Precious play the same spot PF - -makes you wonder if he lands there - -quite possible that they feeling might be losin out on Precious and going harder after Trendon - -would love it - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Kcmatt7 said:
Watch Bill close on Stanley and Hampton and Doke stays lol.
- PG: Dotson - Mcbride
- SG: Hampton
- SF : Stanley
- PF: Ochai - Garrett
- C: Doke - Big Dave - Mitch
A pipe dream, but it'd be one hell of a group.
I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility. KU is well positioned with Stanley.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Watch Bill close on Stanley and Hampton and Doke stays lol.
- PG: Dotson - Mcbride
- SG: Hampton
- SF : Stanley
- PF: Ochai - Garrett
- C: Doke - Big Dave - Mitch
A pipe dream, but it'd be one hell of a group.
I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility. KU is well positioned with Stanley.
It's not. And that team would be salty af. Really takes convincing Hampton to come play next to Stanley though.
Imagine all the dunks from that group....
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Watch Bill close on Stanley and Hampton and Doke stays lol.
- PG: Dotson - Mcbride
- SG: Hampton
- SF : Stanley
- PF: Ochai - Garrett
- C: Doke - Big Dave - Mitch
A pipe dream, but it'd be one hell of a group.
I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility. KU is well positioned with Stanley.
It's not. And that team would be salty af. Really takes convincing Hampton to come play next to Stanley though.
Imagine all the dunks from that group....
Agree but man RJ would be a NEED because of his shooting.
If I were putting in cb picks I'd say
Hurt - Duke (duh)
Stanley - KU
Precious - KU
RJ - Cloudy
I'd love to get Beverly too and that's a winnable recruitment but man that would take some legendary finessing to get Stanley, RJ and Beverly and I just don't see it happening.
Why hasn't doke decided?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Why hasn't doke decided?
The door may be ajar.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Watch Bill close on Stanley and Hampton and Doke stays lol.
- PG: Dotson - Mcbride
- SG: Hampton
- SF : Stanley
- PF: Ochai - Garrett
- C: Doke - Big Dave - Mitch
A pipe dream, but it'd be one hell of a group.
I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility. KU is well positioned with Stanley.
It's not. And that team would be salty af. Really takes convincing Hampton to come play next to Stanley though.
Imagine all the dunks from that group....
Agree but man RJ would be a NEED because of his shooting.
If I were putting in cb picks I'd say
Hurt - Duke (duh)
Stanley - KU
Precious - KU
RJ - Cloudy
I'd love to get Beverly too and that's a winnable recruitment but man that would take some legendary finessing to get Stanley, RJ and Beverly and I just don't see it happening.
You mean like signing the top 3 small forward prospects and 4 of the top 10 overall? Never say never, but KU doesn’t have Nike ahem influence.
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Why hasn't doke decided?
The door may be ajar.
Too injured for the combine and not enough playing time to improve his poor draft stock from last year would be my guess. That’s all it is though.
dylans said:
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Why hasn't doke decided?
The door may be ajar.
Too injured for the combine and not enough playing time to improve his poor draft stock from last year would be my guess. That’s all it is though.
I'm guessing his circle realizes he won't be playing in the NBA ever. So the choice is do they want to have him go pro in another country and start cashing checks. I would guess Doke loves Lawrence. Hope he stays.
If Dok were less injury prone, I’d love to see Les use him as a tight end. He’s more likely to make NFL money than NBA.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Why hasn't doke decided?
My gut says he's back.
BShark said:
dylans said:
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Why hasn't doke decided?
The door may be ajar.
Too injured for the combine and not enough playing time to improve his poor draft stock from last year would be my guess. That’s all it is though.
I'm guessing his circle realizes he won't be playing in the NBA ever. So the choice is do they want to have him go pro in another country and start cashing checks. I would guess Doke loves Lawrence. Hope he stays.
I think signing Ochai helped even more. That article about the food awhile back was great.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Watch Bill close on Stanley and Hampton and Doke stays lol.
- PG: Dotson - Mcbride
- SG: Hampton
- SF : Stanley
- PF: Ochai - Garrett
- C: Doke - Big Dave - Mitch
A pipe dream, but it'd be one hell of a group.
I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility. KU is well positioned with Stanley.
It's not. And that team would be salty af. Really takes convincing Hampton to come play next to Stanley though.
Imagine all the dunks from that group....
Agree but man RJ would be a NEED because of his shooting.
If I were putting in cb picks I'd say
Hurt - Duke (duh)
Stanley - KU
Precious - KU
RJ - Cloudy
I'd love to get Beverly too and that's a winnable recruitment but man that would take some legendary finessing to get Stanley, RJ and Beverly and I just don't see it happening.
My only concern is, if we somehow pulled of Precious, Stanley and RJ, they aren't exactly the most humble of guys... I could see some personallity clash. Or, they could feed off of each other... High risk high reward.
The team banquet is next Tuesday. I'm guessing a decision from Doke might happen by then.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
The team banquet is next Tuesday. I'm guessing a decision from Doke might happen by then.
I'd love for him to announce at the banquet.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3907339 ↗
Grad Transfer TJ Holyfield from SFA announced he is going to take a visit to KU
Woodrow said:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3907339 ↗
Grad Transfer TJ Holyfield from SFA announced he is going to take a visit to KU
Apparently he didn't play this year? Odd.
Anyway we will need some post guys.
Looks like Dedric Lawson lite.
All time leading shot blocker at SFA
BeddieKU23 said:
All time leading shot blocker at SFA
I got aroused by his defensive stats on sports reference.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
All time leading shot blocker at SFA
I got aroused by his defensive stats on sports reference.
And 3PT shooting %s over .400
He is visiting Illinois as well and Underwood recruited him to SFA so this actually could be a tough pull.
BeddieKU23 said:
All time leading shot blocker at SFA
I mean Dedric averaged more blocks per game at Memphis than Holyfield did at SFA. In 3 seasons, Dedric has 161 blocks. In 3 seasons, TJ has 133 blocks. So ya, Dedric lite.
But can he jump? I assume he can jump. That was the issue for Dedric and why his blocks tapered off at the B12 level.
I wouldn't say no but I'd kind of rather just play Dave and Mitch.
Idk about Mitch.
He'd probably average 4 blocks per game in the Southland conference.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
He'd probably average 4 blocks per game in the Southland conference.
Fair. He would also probably average like 5 pts. Mitch is basically just a zero on offense.
Similar feelings. I wouldn't be upset. I wouldn't be pumped. He's better than an empty scholarship.
Hawk8086 said:
@BShark Of those 3.......what order would you prefer?
OF those three myself I think I would want # 1 Precious for front front court help - -then probably Hampton because of his shooting - -the 3 Stanley - but man I'd still take Stanley would be a hard choice for the 3rd spot
@Kcmatt7 Exactly where I'm at with it. Going to need bodies/numbers so a couple grad transfers make sense to fill out the roster.
@KirkIsMyHinrich You stop it with your fancy math.
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Why hasn't doke decided?
The door may be ajar.
that's what I was wondering myself earlier today. - of all the people to have a decision - -I thought he would of been one of the 1st ones to make an announcement - -thusly I agree with you - you don't suppose he might be thinking of coming back do you? - -could be he wants that degree NOW - been discussed so many times BUT just don't think his NBA status is gonna change that much think he is gonna drown in the modern day NBA - -trying to keep pace with the fast pace up and down the floor - Some one might give him a shot off his size alone but truly think his money is over sea's - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Dunking on a Missouri player. Me gusta.
I don't see how Doke is back. Self basically said so.
Stanley is visiting Duke this weekend.
Unfortunately we know how this story ends. They are going to swoop in and get him and hurt this next week.
Lol
Lol at adding Duke to his previously cut list. Crap.
What a joke. I’m so incredibly tired of being an Adidas school.
I'm incredibly tired of duke
Woodrow said:
Stanley is visiting Duke this weekend.
Unfortunately we know how this story ends. They are going to swoop in and get him and hurt this next week.
Whatever will be will be. All I want is:
- an athletic kid
- with a non-broken shot
- who can move his feet
- and who wants to work hard and get better
- and help his team win
- and won't go pro until he's projected first round, or projected at his presumed highest in the draft
If that's Stanley, awesome. Come on down. If it isn't, then on to the next kid.
I have faith in Self but I’m growing pretty pessimistic about what he’s going to salvage here.
Hurt is going to Duke. I assume Stanley is now as well. I don’t think Precious comes to KU. As of right now we don’t even have a official visit secured with Beverly. I just don’t see how this ends well for Self and KU.
Well just seen the 247 pick already where he says or gave a Duke pick for Stanley - if that happens then it happens
That also might mean that Duke knows they not in the running for Hampton anymore so- -so they had to re adjust - -might just make things a lot better for us if Hampton re classifies As a matter of fact pretty sure he will
I'm tellin you I'm about ready to cash this fricken years recruiting in for sure. - Getting really sick and tired of all the misses - -it's a dam cess pool
How in the hell can a school just come in out of now where on the LAST weekend before the kid is making an announcement and get a visit out of him - -Stanley? - Duke just waltzes in and now I see they have 5 CB picks for him - the 1st day he visits the campus - that's just beyond comprehending. - All I hear about how hard it is to pull a west Coast kid off the Coast. - -Well we are talking about pulling a kid off the Coast and going completely to the opposite Coast - all the way across the Nation - -Coast - -to - -Coast - there is no way you can't tell me something smells there.
Then I see the other recruit - -Beverly just got another CB to Georgia -dam CB shows 80% Michigan St for the kid and Georgia the other 20% - this just adds up to one huge big pile of DOG DOO - -just a fricked up year for sure
I'm incredibly tired of college basketball.
And Pro basketball.
And baseball.
And football - just pro football, because the Chiefs always get rid of their best players, plus I'm excited to see what Miles does the next few seasons at KU.
But I still like golf. It is the BEST to nap to.
You might wanna sit down for this - - Stanley has postponed his announcement date till the 20th of April - -a day AFTER Hurts Announcement - - - - -ABSOLUTE STUNNER - -could it be - - 19th of April - -Hurt announces - -DUKE - - 20th of April - - Stanley announces DUKE - we are getting clowned by Rat face - -ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING -
@jayballer73 They'll probably do Duke as much good as Zion did.
@nuleafjhawk Are you saying he’s doing us a favor by forcing Bill into multi-year players? 😉
@nuleafjhawk the Chiefs have had a great off-season so far
@dylans Yes!
Think about the OAD's that KU has had. I won't mention names, but you know who they are. Have they helped us in any way?
Think about the 4 year players....again I won't name names. But many of them are on banners hanging in the rafters of Allen Fieldhouse.
It's not just us. I was just talking about this earlier this morning with a guy at work. Look for Gonzaga to start a downward spiral in the next few years - because - they got to where they are because of having a core of juniors and seniors that got to know each other and they played well together as a team. Now that they are starting to reach that "elite" (not blue blood) status, they will start seeing an influx of OAD's and they will start seeing a whole lot of "L"'s pile up.
Give me a team of junior and senior nobody's anytime. For instance:
2019 National Championship players -
VIRGINIA -
Diakite - JR
Clark - FR
Guy - JR
Jerome - JR
Hunter - SO
Key - JR
Salt - SR
Huff - SO
TEXAS TECH
Owens - SR
Mooney - SR
Culver - SO
Moretti - SO
Odiase - SR
Francis - SR
Edwards - SR
Corprew - SO
Sorry this is so long-winded, but this really jumps out at me. Each team had one Freshman, Virginia had 2 sophomores and TT had three, but all the rest are Juniors and Seniors. To my limited knowledge, none of those players were players that Duke, Kentucky, UNC or any other blue bloods were really slobbering over.
I don't know - maybe it doesn't mean anything. But it does to me.
@nuleafjhawk think some of those guys transferred in?
@nuleafjhawk Of the four transfers on Texas Tech's roster, three played prominent roles as the Red Raiders knocked off Michigan State 61-51 in the Final Four on Saturday night at U.S. Bank Stadium.
Fifth-year senior guard Matt Mooney, a grad transfer from South Dakota, scored a team-high 22 points in the win. Another grad transfer from St. John's, forward Tariq Owens, came back from an ankle injury to finish with seven points, four rebounds and three blocked shots in 22 minutes.
Senior guard Brandone Francis, a conventional transfer from Florida, had nine points and two assists in 25 minutes off the bench.
"It says a lot about our culture, the things we have down there in Lubbock (Texas)," Francis said. "Everyone is family."
Swingman DeShawn Corprew, a JUCO college transfer from South Plains College, played just two minutes off the bench against Michigan State but is averaging 5.3 points and 3.5 rebounds off the bench for Texas Tech.
@nuleafjhawk Yeah, it’s how you win a championship. You have a core of talented “program” guys (3-4 year players). Then you sprinkle in 1 and 2 year talent at a couple of positions. That’s how KU won in ‘08, that’s how ‘Nova won both of their championships, it’s how UK won their one championship under Cal (that and Anthony freakin’ Davis was the one year player they sprinkled in). Poor timing too, KU got hot in the tournament and would’ve picked up a title in another year.
@dylans Only two teams have won an NCAA title since Self has been at KU, with a OAD player, and those are UK in 2012 and Duke in 2015.
I'm wordsmithing here -- One year talent leaves after one year. An OAD. A presumed OAD is one that is assumed to leave going into the year. Just kind of how I think the terms are used. I don't know if you agree on the definitions there.
You mentioned one and two year "talent." KU didn't have a one year talent. Rush didn't leave after one year. Not an OAD and thus not a one year talent (but I get the argument on the knee injury, but he stayed three years). He was a presumed OAD though.
KU, of course, did have two year talent in Arthur. I think the two year talent point is good one. Three year is probably the best range, because they ramp up to NBA level talent.
I guess my point is that out of all the years that Self has been at KU, only two teams have won a NC with actual guys that are OADs. The OADs in those instances were also presumed OADS.
I wonder, and I know I looked at this a few years ago, what are the teams that won NCs with presumed OADs that stayed into their second, third, fourth seasons like KU did with Rush? Nobody on Nova's two NCs, UNC, and VA were presumed OADs that hung around, right?
Duke has three projected top 10 picks, all presumed OAD, and no FF to show for it.
Of course, teams can NOT win the NC with third and fourth year talent, as we've seen here. Even with really good upper classmen.
But it just seems obvious. SKIP PRESUMED OADs. As a strong general rule -- They are bad for your program. They bring drama. They create an environment that is not focused on the team achievement. They simply don't deliver. The evidence is undeniable.
Man we for sure have a plague. - - With all the activity showing up on 247 today - -5 CB'S today for Stanley to Duke - -and now see 4 CB'S today with Beverly to Georgia - -and the GOOD NEWS just keeps rolling in - -hell it might come down to me tell my buddy who is in a chair to go try out could make it as a starter. - I'm mean he is only 67 yrs old and on disability - could be a real stud
The bags are flowing in Georgia.
Stanley never gave the vibe he would be here. Nothing new with those types.
BeddieKU23 said:
The bags are flowing in Georgia.
Stanley never gave the vibe he would be here. Nothing new with those types.
all this is telling me is - -that these schools are REALLY playing THIS FBI AND NCAA thing to the hilt
@HighEliteMajor I'm 100% in agreement with your position on the OAD's. You seem like a very bright guy and I'm a regular schmuck, but why is it that people like you and I can see how blatantly obvious it is that the OAD's are bad for college basketball and the "experts", the coaches and administrators and the people that do this for a living are blind to it?
It blows my frickin regular schmuck mind.
because while you and I are watching the game, we don't see the $$$$ under the table.
@nuleafjhawk I think great players are great for basketball. I think OAD factories are bad for a program. And I think the OAD rule by the NBA needs done away. Kids that show out could still go pro after a year and it would save us from a bunch of Grimes’ that were pre-determined to go even after a lackluster season.
Coaches are always going to go after the top talent. Talented rosters can win games even with coaching mistakes. (i.e.Scott Drew or Cunzo w/ Porter)
Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind he’ll be a better pro
FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind he’ll be a better pro
Hurt looks like a multi year guy to me. I don’t see the frame or athleticism yet... but that’s just one mans opinion.
Hurt could use hudy
Kcmatt7 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind he’ll be a better pro
Hurt looks like a multi year guy to me. I don’t see the frame or athleticism yet... but that’s just one mans opinion.
He’ll be a one and done but I agree he’ll take awhile to find his role. I like the Keith Van Horn comp
Man Bill would love coaching Precious.
Hurt may get the bolden bench time
@Crimsonorblue22 or the ultimate K treatment. Play matador D and chuck 3’s
Memphis should kick some butt. Not impressed w/penny, but wiseman🤩
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Memphis should kick some butt. Not impressed w/penny, but wiseman🤩
Dude. Sometimes I look at Evan Daniels tweet that KU was a real threat for Wiseman and I think of happier days. I didn’t believe it but it was fun to think about.
@HighEliteMajor @nuleafjhawk too bad JoJo wasn't on a championship team. I have a hard time saying no JoJo, though the odds of a non presumed OAD who doesn't protect the goods and becomes a OAD and perennial NBA all star seems very very low. Nothing wrong with a non presumed OAD becoming one.
I think we have a good shot at Precious, If we can get another guard possibly a grad transfer. I think we will be good to compete for the conference title again. I'm not gonna go after anyone but some of my inside sources are saying addition by subtraction with a couple of the guys that left is the case.
poster off the Phog brings up valid point. - -He said that Duke is not gong to get Hurt and Stanley both.
His reasoning , the return of the players that Duke has on Scholarship at perimeter: -Baker - - -Jack White - - Wendall Moore - - Alex O'Connell - -Boogie Ellis - -Goldwire - - Tre Jones
Wendall Moore is a McDonald - player -Then Tre returning - and Boogie Ellis just a few number below Stanley. - They might be able to Sell Hurt on PF - -BUT how you gonna sell Stanley playing time with the players they are returning at his spot
Makes Sense - he can go there and compete for some Minutes - -OR walk into Kansas and pretty much have those minutes at his disposal. I don't know - -ya I mean Duke is Duke but they got in very late on this while once again Ku been on him for quite some time and a West Coast kid traveling clear across country to play - a lot less of a chance parents get to attend as many games? - I still think we have a legit shot at him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Stanley knows Hurt is going there so he wouldn’t be visiting if he wasn’t ok with the roster situation. I think Duke will land both.
Woodrow said:
Stanley knows Hurt is going there so he wouldn’t be visiting if he wasn’t ok with the roster situation. I think Duke will land both.
it's not Hurt that Stanley has to worry about - -really crowded at Stanley's position - I don't think they get both
I think they get both...Duke is becoming the OAD factory.
Agreed. Duke’s cash machine seems very well oiled. I think they get both.
We might also consider that OADs like Duke because, as we’ve seen, ESPN provides over the top coverage of Duke. Also seemed that way with coach Cal and UK.
@HighEliteMajor today at UVAs celebration they played this year's one shining moment video and replaced the seven Zion and Morant clips with highlights from all the UVA players
@approxinfinity that's awesome!
Not KU related , but I just saw Buzz Williams picked up FOUR commits yesterday! That’s insane for basketball. I think a couple of them were players he had committed to him at VA Tech, but still very impressive. He’s going to kill it at A&M.
Will KU sign another recruit ever again?
CASSIUS STANLEY IS DOWN TO 4 SCHOOL DUK OREGON KU UCLA
BShark said:
Will KU sign another recruit ever again?
Nope. KU isn't playing basketball next season. Year after TBD.
@FarmerJayhawk We're going to concentrate on football.
nuleafjhawk said:
@FarmerJayhawk We're going to concentrate on football.
Exactly. We’re a football school now. We want Bama
Hearing that Matthew Hurt cancelled the weekend visits from Kentucky and Kansas. Per Jake Weingarten on Twitter....🤔
Yea, the Hurt shipped has sailed. Pretty epic whiff by Self.
Or a pretty epic payout by Duke.
ajvan said:
Or a pretty epic payout by Duke.
he all duke
Any chance hurt gets the bolden treatment?
@HighEliteMajor I'd just like to add to this. Has anyone listened to Sherron Collin's interview on the Ain't No Seats podcast? There's a part where he talks about what it was like to play with Xavier Henry. Sherron struggled to make it "his" team even though he had clearly earned it: "I didn't come back to win the Big 12; I came back to win a title. I wanted to be the first player to win 2 in their time at KU."
Instead, they had to focus on getting Xavier his shots because he had to go the NBA. Because it wasn't just about Xavier, it was about the direction recruiting was going and Self trying to send a message that, "you can be a OAD and play at Kansas." There was also Xavier's dad hanging around the team causing drama. Sherron said once when Xavier had a bad half, his dad chewed his ass in the tunnel. He came into the locker room with tears in his eyes. It all came home to roost against UNI.
That right there? That, my friends, is poison. An absolute cancer. Not saying all OADs bring that sort of drama, but that is the kind of thing you want to avoid altogether.
You think Devonte or Frank Mason's parents pulled some shit like that? No, they were just happy to be there. THAT is what KU needs to go back to.
Didnt even make Hurts final 2
Sad.
@MoonwalkMafia That's about as powerful as it gets. And it gives us some indication as to what may have occurred this season with Grimes. I don't believe I'd heard Collins' comments on that before, so thanks for posting. It's right on point.
@BeddieKU23 who is his final 2 , Duke and ??
Tristan Enaruna is down to KU, Creighton, and Miami. He will visit all 3 at the end of the month per Evan Daniels.
If we can't land this kid against those two schools with immediate playing time then WTF.
Thanks for all the insights on recruiting guys. Never have I been so interested in our targets.
Wonder if Mr. Hurt got a nice consulting gig in Durham?
Anyway, still have a good shot at Holyfield, Enaruna, and Precious for 4’s. Hampton as a 2. I’m also more optimistic than most Doke comes back.
Woodrow said:
If we can't land this kid against those two schools with immediate playing time then WTF.
Perhaps the quote of the year ...
FarmerJayhawk said:
Wonder if Mr. Hurt got a nice consulting gig in Durham?
Anyway, still have a good shot at Holyfield, Enaruna, and Precious for 4’s. Hampton as a 2. I’m also more optimistic than most Doke comes back.
I'm beginning to wonder about Doke myself. - -Thought at 1st there was NO CHANCE, still feeling pretty low on it but more then yesterday or the day before. -Why is he taking so long to announce? - He is the one I would of thought for sure would of been the 1st or one of the 1st - -seems like he is holding off for some reason. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Woodrow said:
Tristan Enaruna is down to KU, Creighton, and Miami. He will visit all 3 at the end of the month per Evan Daniels.
If we can't land this kid against those two schools with immediate playing time then WTF.
I'm Missing it , have seen it before - is he front line help? - or what ? - -hght ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 He is 6'7 wing type player. Possibly a stretch 4.
@MoonwalkMafia I always "knew" that kind of crap went on but i didn't KNOW it for sure.
I'm real close to being done with this crap.
Maybe I'll go back to golf after a 30 year hiatus.
Maybe FootJoy can sponsor me. Maybe I'll get gold plated clubs, ride in Bentley's and smoke Cuban cigars, hookers at the 19th hole - AND I won't have to order off the dollar menu any more. I can order from the big boy's menu!
well good to know we are in Tristan 's Enaruna final 3 : - - we getting the final visit too.- - - - -Miami - -April 24th - - - -Creighton - -April 26th - - & - Ku - - April 28th - -we need something to start going our way
Looks like Beverly is committing today and Miami is the choose. Running out of options.
Woodrow said:
Looks like Beverly is committing today and Miami is the choose. Running out of options.
Looks like we aren't paying, which hurts our chances with ANY recruit.
KU never really pushed on Beverly.
BShark said:
Sad.
Not really we feared this for a while
Woodrow said:
Tristan Enaruna is down to KU, Creighton, and Miami. He will visit all 3 at the end of the month per Evan Daniels.
If we can't land this kid against those two schools with immediate playing time then WTF.
Problem is, he isnt a starter next yr. Doesnt even play the 4 in HS
No, he is a wing
Precious or Holyfield at the 4
@FarmerJayhawk Can KU beat out Miami and Creighton for this kid though? We know both will back up the cash dump truck.
Staff has to get creative I guess. Hope it happens, I like him long term.
Oh and would take either of those two but I think I would actually prefer Holyfield. Achiuwa might be high drama/maintenance.
FarmerJayhawk said:
KU never really pushed on Beverly.
Then that is a mistake on the staff. They need to be busting their a** on every kid that can make a difference next year.
BShark said:
Achiuwa might be high drama/maintenance.
Ya think? And we're over a barrel it would appear. But I'll skip this presumed OAD. I'd rather start Lightfoot.
This is on Self. It's why you recruit. He's left us naked and exposed chasing the highly ranked guys he ... er, uh ... Adidas has apparently paid in the past.
Friend of mine in Wichita says KU is leading for Dante if he reclassifies and Doke leaves
@FarmerJayhawk that would be great, indeed. If we could land him and Hampton as well as Enaruna, alongside Braun and McBride and perhaps a grad transfer/juco recruit that would a bonanza recruiting haul!
https://247sports.com/Player/NFaly-Dante-46041492/ ↗
Bill and Kurtis. Looks like he’s getting the full court press.
dylans said:
https://247sports.com/Player/NFaly-Dante-46041492/ ↗
Bill and Kurtis. Looks like he’s getting the full court press.
He's also originally from Mali. I know Cheick enjoyed his time in Lawrence and is thankful for the giant wad of cash KU threw at lawyers and PR people to get the NCAA to clear him.
What a mess this years cycle is turning into
I know a kid that plays on a local High School team in the town that I live in. Well, "plays" might be overstating it - he's the towel boy. BUT - he's seen every play of every game for the past four years. Plus, he's seen things in the locker room that can't even be put down in black and white. I feel that by osmosis, he should be as good as any player we've seen at KU for the past 2-3 seasons. Plus, he's got all seven toes (family is originally from Chernobyl...) and one pretty good eye. Should be off crutches by the start of next season.
I think we could have a shot at him.......
@FarmerJayhawk hear anything about juiston?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk hear anything about juiston?
Health and academics are the big thing. If he can graduate (may be summer) and is healthy, his market should take off. I think it'll be after this semester before we hear much.
@FarmerJayhawk I saw espns top grad transfers and he was 3rd.
Read where Braun & McBride both were name player of the year in their State by the USA-Today - good for them, nice to know. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
For what it's worth glad to see we get the last visit for Tristan. - his visit's are April 24th - - -April 26th - -and then us - -April 28th
@jayballer73 what do you think, break out the Asses From Young (but of age) Lasses?
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Grant Sherfield ended up at Wichita St.
Virginia picks up the #400 ranked recruit. I'm sure he'll turn out good.
Harlon Beverly picked Miami
jayballer73 said:
For what it's worth glad to see we get the last visit for Tristan. - his visit's are April 24th - - -April 26th - -and then us - -April 28th
Let's just hope he even makes it
FWIW on Rivals Bossi and Corey Evans think we get Precious and Enaruna. And every day that goes by make it less likely Doke leaves...
FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW on Rivals Bossi and Corey Evans think we get Precious and Enaruna. And every day that goes by make it less likely Doke leaves...
Evans thinks Memphis for Precious according to the article published like 4 hours ago. But Bossi thinks Kansas. Both do have Enaruna.
I feel very good about us ending up with Hampton. He is an Adidas kid...
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/late-signing-period-predictions ↗
Self seemed extremely optimistic last night at the banquet whenever recruiting / roster make up was brought up. I know he is not going to go full doom and gloom, but to me it was like maybe he knew he had somethings in the pipeline coming his way.
don't put yourselves through the RJ torture just yet. Certainly doesn't help the teams shooting problems but he does mostly everything else spectacularly
Kcmatt7 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW on Rivals Bossi and Corey Evans think we get Precious and Enaruna. And every day that goes by make it less likely Doke leaves...
Evans thinks Memphis for Precious according to the article published like 4 hours ago. But Bossi thinks Kansas. Both do have Enaruna.
I feel very good about us ending up with Hampton. He is an Adidas kid...
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/late-signing-period-predictions ↗
Good catch. Just misread it. I'm really watching what Watford does. If he ends up at Memphis, Precious won't.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Fair points. And I see he is playing for an Under Armour team now anyways. So maybe I retract everything I said lol.
His dad has always been his AAU coach and they have been UA, Nike and Adidas.
If this will be literally just RJ's decision I do think the pick will be KU. His dad is large and in charge I believe though.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Fair points. And I see he is playing for an Under Armour team now anyways. So maybe I retract everything I said lol.
His dad has always been his AAU coach and they have been UA, Nike and Adidas.
If this will be literally just RJ's decision I do think the pick will be KU. His dad is large and in charge I believe though.
We have such a fantastic track record when "dad's" lead the recruitment.
Great point about Watford. The masses seem to be split on which cash pile he's going to take. Watford impressed me during the Mcdonald's game
RJ is a game changing type player and I hope we make it happen. I think he'd push for the KU FR pts record.
@BeddieKU23 from what I've read, Self has a good relationship with RJ's dad.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Fair points. And I see he is playing for an Under Armour team now anyways. So maybe I retract everything I said lol.
His dad has always been his AAU coach and they have been UA, Nike and Adidas.
If this will be literally just RJ's decision I do think the pick will be KU. His dad is large and in charge I believe though.
We have such a fantastic track record when "dad's" lead the recruitment.
And I thought we might finally get to have a drama free season for the first time in awhile...
It honestly can't hurt that the Hamptons saw that Grimes continued to get huge minutes despite sucking out loud. Not that I think it would be an issue for RJ and he'd get huge tick anywhere but I think it does help that they know Self would help showcase RJ. Self also did a great job showcasing Wigs and Josh.
BShark said:
It honestly can't hurt that the Hamptons saw that Grimes continued to get huge minutes despite sucking out loud. Not that I think it would be an issue for RJ and he'd get huge tick anywhere but I think it does help that they know Self would help showcase RJ. Self also did a great job showcasing Wigs and Josh.
We're due for one of these to really pay off. I think Hampton plays with a Russel Westbrook type mentality too. So I think some fans may even like him...
“So we’ve got some things that we’re working on to do,” Self said. “But I think in the next 10 days a lot of this is gonna clear up.”
Sounds like Self is planning on signing someone here coming up.
Woodrow said:
“So we’ve got some things that we’re working on to do,” Self said. “But I think in the next 10 days a lot of this is gonna clear up.”
Sounds like Self is planning on signing someone here coming up.
Wouldn't shock me to add Holyfield and Enaruna.
Kcmatt7 said:
And I thought we might finally get to have a drama free season for the first time in awhile...
I'd settle for injury-free.
I can wait 10 days.
https://247sports.com/Article/Zeke-Nnaji-signs-with-Arizona-131270353/ ↗
Well, cross him off for sure now.
It is interesting how Miller signs a kid like that, and Miller got subpoenaed just weeks ago.
Wow, what a ride, huh? If we get Precious and Enaruna and Hampton!, having already Braun and McBride, damn!
The “Coach Self won’t be there next year” appears to be the most effective recruiting strategy being used against KU. Signees are still going to schools that may be on NCAA Tournament probation, but they still get to play, sharpen their skills and set themselves up for the draft. In other words their coach is far important than post season titles. If KU could get HCBS to sign an extension ASAP, maybe recruiting will pick up. Otherwise, this situation is similar to former KU coach Roy Williams saying “I’m not interested in other jobs”?
Sadly I agree to some extent. Its just part of all the things other teams can use against KU at this time. Plus money, money is huge
Really, I think saying KU won’t be in the NCAA tourney because their recruiting partner, Adidas, paid a player that was suspended for two full seasons is the most effective attack tool. Seems to make sense.
The 22nd for Stanley. Not sure it’s worth paying attention to.
Seems pretty obvious that it's Duke unfortunately.
ya Stanley went from the 17th - - to the 20th - -now the 22nd - - unless he is wanting a couple of more days to really think things over and talk with family a little more - - doubtful but then again who knows.
In other news, Vegas Knights, i.e. NHLs castaways are leading their first round playoff series again this year.
We need 12 guys that are hungry, athletic, arent brickmasons and have something to prove. Bill can make a team out of them.
I wish there was a portal to pick those 12 from. Can we get 30 second teaser video's of each guys character, competitiveness and shooting ability???
LOL Stanley doing Stanley things. He actually has become a much better player over his senior season which has obviously made Duke's pile of cash and NBA aspirations after one year attractive. Maybe the Stanley and Hurt helicopter daddies can share Zion's pad and keep the lights on until the 2020 class takes it over
Ugh Rivals guys all pick Chris Harris Jr to Oklahoma St.. Exactly the type of kid that goes for 30 and makes 7 3's every time he plays KU. Flabbergasted why we didn't show interest
@BeddieKU23 That will be great for the 2,600 "fans" that show up for every Oklahoma State game!
“That’s if everybody leaves,” Self clarified. “But everybody’s not going to leave. But, yeah; I’d say if we need to sign seven this spring, that wouldn’t be the ideal situation.” - Self
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2019/apr/17/kansas-coach-bill-self-far-from-panicked/ ↗
More evidence of Doke and De Sousa not coming back.
BeddieKU23 said:
Ugh Rivals guys all pick Chris Harris Jr to Oklahoma St.. Exactly the type of kid that goes for 30 and makes 7 3's every time he plays KU. Flabbergasted why we didn't show interest
There would be a freak out as KU signed another sub 100 recruit but yeah he will be a good one in time.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ugh Rivals guys all pick Chris Harris Jr to Oklahoma St.. Exactly the type of kid that goes for 30 and makes 7 3's every time he plays KU. Flabbergasted why we didn't show interest
There would be a freak out as KU signed another sub 100 recruit but yeah he will be a good one in time.
This is what cracks me up.
Fans want us to land 3 guys a year from the range 45-60 lol. Anything else is a terrible class one way or the other.
@Kcmatt7 A large portion of the fan base thinks that if KU offers a kid in the 50-100 range they will instantly jump on it. Simply not the case for example it appears we were never really in it for Beverly.
I'm sure KU will add some "guys" but will they be "dudes" is a fair question. The next couple weeks will be big.
@BShark Right. Like some guys want to stay close to home. Or don't want to deal with the weather here. And Bill Self probably isn't crazy charming for everyone. There are so many variables that people don't realize.
I did the breakout awhile ago, but it is basically twice as easy for a program like KU to go recruit the top 25 than it is to recruit 25+.
@Kcmatt7 @BShark I don't know where the 45-60 thing comes from. Anyway ..
Here's the winning strategy - Focus efforts on those outside presumed OAD through 80ish (and specific kids that may be higher). Some years that range will vary. Once a kid is presumed OAD, get away. And always stay away from top 10. Commit to your recruits that you will never recruit over them with a presumed OAD. That's key. Never a presumed OAD. Never the top guys,. Ever.
It is not twice as easy for KU to recruit top 25 than 25+. That's fiction. If KU focused on the non-OADs, and gave its word as noted above, we'd rock in the 20ish - 80ish range.
HighEliteMajor said:
and gave its word as noted above, we'd rock in the 20ish - 80ish range.
There is no guarantee. KU typically casts a very wide net in recruiting to try and find interested players. Maybe if KU targeted midrange players hard and lowered the amount of offers but that would make missing even more brutal so idk.
Our thought as KU fans is typically that yeah these players would be lining up but it's really not the case. Recruiting is about relationships and it might be time for an assistant change or two.
CAN WE KEEP THE SUBJECT ON KU RECRUITING ANDNOTHING ELSE
@HighEliteMajor I just think you don't have matching expectations for the programs success and how you would like us to recruit.
You simply can't, in todays game, recruit that way and expect to be a top 10 team every year competing for National Championships. Literally nobody has been able to do that as a "system" team. If you take out the FBI thing that is disproportionately hurting us compared to say UK or Duke, KU has another 1 seed this year.
Nova learned this year, you have to have immediate talent coming in. Guys that weren't expected to leave, left after the NC and they weren't even close to the same team this year. They got caught with their pants down. If Ignas leaves, Michigan could really struggle next year.
Where does this program exist that has proven your theory that if you commit to mid-tier talent that you can consistently win year in and year out?
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
CAN WE KEEP THE SUBJECT ON KU RECRUITING ANDNOTHING ELSE
Whew!!! You yelled that just in the nick of time. I was about to whip out a recipe for a killer German Chocolate Cake.
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
CAN WE KEEP THE SUBJECT ON KU RECRUITING ANDNOTHING ELSE
Yes, but only if you promise to quit posting in all caps
BShark said:
HighEliteMajor said:
and gave its word as noted above, we'd rock in the 20ish - 80ish range.
There is no guarantee. KU typically casts a very wide net in recruiting to try and find interested players. Maybe if KU targeted midrange players hard and lowered the amount of offers but that would make missing even more brutal so idk.
Our thought as KU fans is typically that yeah these players would be lining up but it's really not the case. Recruiting is about relationships and it might be time for an assistant change or two.
I must say I'm intrigued about the possibility of changing up the assistant coaching ranks. Has the message gotten stale from our older assistants Norm and KT? Do we need younger blood in here with some different connections and familiar recruiting territories? We all know Self is a loyal man, basically all of his assistants have left for bigger coaching jobs so he really hasn't "fired'' someone but maybe its time. I wonder if Self thinks any of he recent years recruiting misses are coaching related... It can't hurt to find out
Well KT was our bag man. He was the one who "landed" all of the OAD guys... So maybe his role is starting to get limited to an extent due to current circumstances. But you don't fire your bag man. KT was probably 5 words away from an indictment. Self isn't cutting ties.
Norm, I really don't know enough about.
Snacks, in my opinion, is likely to land a HC job in the next 3-4 years.
@Kcmatt7 I think you bring up a very good point. I agree, sustained, consistent, year in year out success, may be compromised. But then again, I'm one that is glad the Big 12 streak is over. I think it eliminates a useless distraction. I want national titles. But I think you can be consistently successful as a blue blood without the presumed OAD mess.
From 2013 -2017, a certain team kind of did it this way. Hint, they won the NC in 2017. Also, the #9 guy was not a presumed OAD. They compete for NCs better than we do. Here are ranking numbers from that certain CBB team, '13-'17: 16/58/121; 9/15/30; 96/155; 25/48/60; 30/131/193/217/267.
This is a similarly situated blue blood.
Of course it's UNC.
I know Roy does recruit top guys, he just doesn't get them usually -- like he just got one for last season. My point is that if you look at the numbers, and if you look at the fact that in that time frame there was not one presumed OAD, it clearly makes it plausible.
UNC has much better player retention and guys that play for Roy typically stay longer than expected for whatever reason.
@HighEliteMajor Roy is probably the best about it.
But, and this is key, he gets to recruit out of the state of North Carolina (and the surrounding states).
That is a lot of talent coming from in his back yard. Often times, he's getting the best player in NC who is a cornerstone piece to build around and a top 25 guy. Then he takes an easy flight to Florida to recruit. And maybe a couple more to small time guys that him and staff hit it off with on the AAU circuit.
The best player in KS HS history, Semi Ojeleye, didn't even give KU a whiff. Went to Duke.
Perhaps it is Bill's fault for not prioritizing local talent and not turning over every rock. It's possible that we could have had Buddy Hield. Ron Baker and Willy Cauley-Stein. Even add in KCMO, Landry Shamet and Shaqille Harrison and Alec Burks.
Still, there is not enough local talent to fill years and year of rosters like Roy has had.
128 players who played HS ball in NC have gone on to the NBA. Missouri and Kansas Combined have only put in 96 combined. Viginia has 125 themselves. Washington D.C. has put 45 in. There is a major influx of basketball talent in that vicinity, and they're the top brand. It's an easy sell. Come play at a top school, with top facilities, and be able to go to almost every game live. UVA, Wake, Duke, NC State, Clemson and VT are all right there too. So at least half of the road games are driveable. Plus the conference tournament is typically in NC. And, an NCAA tournament site is typically very close.
So, not only do we not have talent in our backyard, Roy even has something to sell the talent that is there. He has the East Coast platform. They are a Nike darling. They are within driving distance or at home of a ton of their games. They have top notch facilities. They have the perfect pitch, no?
We, on the other hand, are not only having to get kids to come here from far away, we are competing against the other Blue Bloods and their local schools. We have to convince them that traveling to Lawrence, KS is the best decision for them. Away from their families. Away from their friends. Away form the beach. Away from warmer weather. Away from everything else.
It makes it much harder, imo. A very different animal.
Luke Maye is their Lightfoot and he was going to walk-on or something like that right? Really puts the difference in perspective.
I didn't want to really add this part in, but I do think it's relevant. It is much easier to hide impermissible benefits to local kids and their parents. Having talent in your backyard, with the local fanbase everywhere, makes it very easy to do things like get them a big time promotion. A deal on a car. A deal on a house. Yada yada yada.
When you move someone's mom in from Philly, it's a whole hell of a lot more noticeable.
Kcmatt7 said:
When you move someone's mom in from Philly, it's a whole hell of a lot more noticeable.
CANT IMAGINE WHO THIS IS REFERRING TOO
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@nuleafjhawk Inbox me the recipe please. All the rest of ya'll inbox me the recipe for a winning team next year.
@Kcmatt7 I think the reference to recruiting area is clearly relevant. But that's no different than if we are recruiting top guys, or 100+. We have a proximity issue.
When you look west and south, though, kids are having to fly to most preferred destinations.
But not for one minute should any of us think that any excuse is relevant for KU. We're a top 5 program. So the excuses are irrelevant. I find the excuses laughable actually. I understand the factual nature of the data, I just find it's applicability to top 5 program, a blue blood like KU, pretty much irrelevant.
If Kansas focused on the non-OAD through - 80ish, made the commitment to avoid the presumed OAD, that would have to be attractive to a recruit in that range or higher. Logical. Why? Just look at Andrew White as an example. If I'm recruiting against KU, I say look at Andrew White. Self brings him in, then snags Wiggins and White is marginalized. White's college career was then chaos. He got run out of Kansas. Self won't commit to you. He chases the OAD. So you could be junior and he'll bring in a top guy just when you need to the PT the most to make it to the NBA. Heck, KU had Frank Mason and Devonte Graham, and Bill Self was working hard to get De'Aaron Fox, and was a finalist until the end. Would he have displaced Mason? How would that have impacted Mason's NBA prospects?
Or, we can continue to do what Self has done.
I'll sacrifice making the tourney every so often for more pronounced spikes.
And those spikes can be from talent that grows, develops, and stays longer.
BShark said:
Luke Maye is their Lightfoot and he was going to walk-on or something like that right? Really puts the difference in perspective.
Luke's dad was a QB at Carolina back in the day, and was a walk-on his freshman year just because he wanted to be a Tar Heel.
@Kcmatt7 wow, great post... Where to start? I one-hundred percent agree about the lack of local talent and without a doubt that definitely makes it harder to recruit. That being said, though, while we need to cast a wide net we still need to concentrate on some of the local talent in, specifically, Wichita and KC - Baker, Shamet, Heild, Braun and Agbaji. These guys tend to stick around and provide excellent depth and a solid foundation that we can build and count on. Recruit every year a highly ranked top 25 or 50 player or two or three, as needed? Sure, but not all in on only top 10 players at the expense of solid, seasoned depth that, if you think about it, is what made KU what it was and is. We've gotten away from that for the past several years and it is now biting us bigtime. Top 100 players (or in Agbaji, Braun and - I know, he's from Arkansas, but still... - McBride's case even lower) should not be ignored - not building quality depth is why we now find ourselves taking redshirts and transfers. Recruiting nationwide is fine, but I would take a pass on the for sure OADs... They do not win National Championships, and leave your team bereft of seasoned talent, chemistry and depth. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Last two crystal ball picks have been to Memphis for Precious. I tend to think that’s where he ends up.
Woodrow said:
Last two crystal ball picks have been to Memphis for Precious. I tend to think that’s where he ends up.
He and Watford are mutually exclusive there. If Watford announces for Memphis, here we come.
They have 50/50 for Enaruna going to KU on rivals. It was changed today I believe from 100% Creighton
The change is Shay so lol.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Woodrow said:
Last two crystal ball picks have been to Memphis for Precious. I tend to think that’s where he ends up.
He and Watford are mutually exclusive there. If Watford announces for Memphis, here we come.
Seems like Watford is tending towards LSU with Wade back. Although that is a very fluid situation with a new AD and FBI stuff.
@HighEliteMajor nice UNC comp!
Im thinking maybe we should start a shared Google spreadsheet to aggregate our info on recruiting class rankings and how they pan out for several teams, including transfers (it seems silly at this point that rivals etc don't include transfers as part of recruiting classes. Archaic!) As always my appetite exceeds my drive to do it alone. Would you guys be interested in working on such a thing with me?
Another sheet I want to start is success of coaches in tournaments, including coaching tree info (this guy was this other guys understudy)
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Not surprising
The comments seem to be in-line with what we’re all thinking.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 I think the reference to recruiting area is clearly relevant. But that's no different than if we are recruiting top guys, or 100+. We have a proximity issue.
This is true. But, it is also relevant for consistently building a team based around 4 year guys. Of the top 100, 50 guys ended up at a local/regional school. (Basically I counted anything less than a 5 hour drive). 28 of those ranked 100-150 went close to home.
That essentially eliminates half of the pool. If I were to limit it a bit further, like anything NE and stayed NE. Or SE and stayed SE, that number gets significantly smaller. 95/150 players stayed regionally based. So, really, we are down to 50-60 players willing to travel away from home each year.
When you look west and south, though, kids are having to fly to most preferred destinations.
But not for one minute should any of us think that any excuse is relevant for KU. We're a top 5 program. So the excuses are irrelevant. I find the excuses laughable actually. I understand the factual nature of the data, I just find it's applicability to top 5 program, a blue blood like KU, pretty much irrelevant.
So if any argument is irrelevant, what is the point of even having this discussion. You won't even open your mind up a little bit. Here is the thing, it is all relevant. It is. All of it.
If Kansas focused on the non-OAD through - 80ish, made the commitment to avoid the presumed OAD, that would have to be attractive to a recruit in that range or higher. Logical. Why? Just look at Andrew White as an example. If I'm recruiting against KU, I say look at Andrew White. Self brings him in, then snags Wiggins and White is marginalized. White's college career was then chaos. He got run out of Kansas. Self won't commit to you.
You are remembering it wrong. AWIII was ran out of here by B-Green. Who Self picked over him. Wiggins was not the problem Green played, and would have played, over him.
He chases the OAD. So you could be junior and he'll bring in a top guy just when you need to the PT the most to make it to the NBA. Heck, KU had Frank Mason and Devonte Graham, and Bill Self was working hard to get De'Aaron Fox, and was a finalist until the end. Would he have displaced Mason? How would that have impacted Mason's NBA prospects?
This is a complete hypothetical. Who knows how it turns out for Frank. And, again, you're remembering it wrong. Fox was an early commit nobody thought was coming here. Go look at the CB picks. Most picks were coming well before he ever even took a visit.
Or, we can continue to do what Self has done.
I'll sacrifice making the tourney every so often for more pronounced spikes.
I very much doubt this. I don't think you would be ok with this. Enduring years of misery, hoping we can put it all together for one year. And, what if we don't? What if we finally get a group of 7 solid upperclassmen and we shit the bed? We are supposed to be ok with waiting another 4,5 6 years before we put it all together again and have a chance?
And those spikes can be from talent that grows, develops, and stays longer.
It sounds like what you want is to be like Indiana. Because that is what KU would become if we went with your strategy. We are in a talent desert. Chicago and St. Louis are our only regional places producing talent. And there is plenty of competition in those areas between KU and MSU and the dozen other schools that surround those two cities.
You look at this with Crimson and Blue goggles and basically say, there is no reason KU should be able to offer a kid ranked 80, and him jump on the opportunity. That is simply not true. Over half of the players available each given season wouldn't jump at it.
Once you start playing the ShoeCo games too, that number goes from half, to even less. Kai Jones is a perfect example. A Brewster kid that loved KU. We have it on good authority, KU would have been HIS choice. But Nike and Texas took care of him. And guess where he went? KU would have taken him in a heartbeat. KU Offered him. He did not jump at that opportunity. He took the money.
You also think that "recruiting over" only happens with OAD players. That's not true either. BG was a better player than AWIII. He was. And AWIII would have left regardless because he was never going to start at KU. And he knew that.
Low ranked Frank Mason kicked Frankamps ass back to Wichita. Frank and Devonte forced out Nadiir too.
It is going to happen regardless. And you're going to end up with unbalanced classes, especially with the way the transfer market has changed. So, you have a team with Frank, DG, Svi, Vick and LL. A damn good team. You would rather have some no name player than JJ come in and help that team. Where is that team without JJ? A 4 or 5 seed and another early tournament flame out.
Frank DESERVED JJ and at least a shot at winning. We didn't land anything else before JJ either. And we tried. JJ didn't hurt a thing. Without him, I'm afraid that team struggles to even make the tournament. He was that good.
Wiggins didn't hurt a thing. He was an April commit with nobody else coming in. One year and done. And without him we are probably not a tournament team. Again, White left after that season knowing that he was never going to be #1 in the pecking order. He was already behind BG. There was no impact from it. And that team lost double digits with him, they weren't losing less games without him. Hell, they ended up a 2 seed because of him, really.
Maybe Xavier messed things up for the Sherron SR. year. It's possible. That team also went 33-3 so I think it's hard to say that. Xavier shot .418 from 3 and was efficient all around. 1.5 steals per game is pretty damn good... What happens to that team without a wing who can score it and shoot it that well? Sherron and Cole were already doing about as much as they could.
We saw what happens when you recruit guys that are 100+. You get LLs and Jamari's. I don't want Landen's and Jamari's. I want us to try to field the best damn team we can year in and year out. Period. Especially because, mathematically speaking, we have to essentially offer every Top 100 player that is an Adidas kid and then see which ones are even open to leaving home and we aren't already deep at that position.
You also ignore the fact that players want to play and they want to play right away. Nobody likes sitting the bench. What guarantee could we give a player? If you come sit here for two years, you'll get to play? But only if a guy we bring in next season doesn't progress faster than you. Or are you suggesting that Bill purposely sit better players? You see, this is the problem with your strategy. There is no guarantee you ever see the court at the University of Kansas. No matter who you are. No matter what strategy we take. We are KU. We get talent. We will play the best talent for our system. That may or may not be you. If you don't like that someone jumped you, you transfer. All of a sudden, the guy who jumped you went pro. We now have a giant hole. But we have 4 other positions locked down. How do we fill this hole? We have a 80+ ranked guy coming in, but he isn't ready to play at this level yet...
You make it sound so, so much easier than it is. These aren't excuses. These are the cold hard facts. And you can ignore them and continue to decry Self for chasing talent, but this is the realistic look at recruiting from the University of Kansas in 2019.
@Kcmatt7 knocks it out of the park above. Read and re-read that post because it is exactly true.
For every Frank Mason (guy ranked in the 50 - 100 range that develops into an NBA player) there are a dozen Conner Frankamps. For every Ron Baker, there are ten Rio Adams. That's just the nature of things. Once you drop down below the top 20 or 30 players (guys that generally are both skilled and athletic) you have to bet on skilled kids that may not have the athleticism to translate to the next level, or athletic kids that may never be skilled enough to contribute in a meaningful way at a program like KU.
Some kids just don't improve much once they get to college. It's not a lack of effort or hard work. It's just that they have already maximized their athleticism or skill level (or both). I think someone like Perry Ellis is a great example of this. I would never question Perry's work ethic or commitment. He was as good a player, and from all reports, as good a person, as you would hope to have wearing the Crimson and Blue. But Perry also came to KU as a bit of a finished product. He improved while in Lawrence, of course. He matured as a player and as a person. But if you were to compare his development curve to that of Frank Mason, there's a clear separation (why Frank is in the NBA while Perry is not). Perry had nearly maximized his development before arriving at KU. He was already at 80% of what he would eventually become. Frank was probably only at 50% or so.
When recruiting, you have to look for that, but that's more art than science. You don't know if a kid has already topped out their growth, athleticism or skills. You won't find that out until they come into the program and start lifting, being challenged by more skilled peers, etc.
@BShark I feel I should just let @Kcmatt7's epic stand without any trivial reply ... it is persuasive. The best line, "You make it sound so, so much easier than it is." Great post.
Perhaps that's my major weakness on this. I am making it sound too easy.
Is there any doubt, though, that a team can, quite easily, ignore presumed OADs? How many teams really even have a shot at a presumed OAD?
The question then is the results of that. How does that impact the product on the court?
I personally believe that Self is better off as a coach, without it. That he can succeed at a high level without it. He would be better without that, overall. And we can compete for titles.
Proof? What presumed OAD took us to levels we wouldn't have achieved without him for that one season? Wiggins? Second round exit (I know, Embiid was hurt). Or JJ? Elite Eight?
And remember, I have no issue with LL or JT in a proper, limited role. I barked about that on JT for what seemed like a lifetime. 10 - 12 minutes? Cool. 20+? Disaster. Same with LL. They were severely miscast as high minutes players. No one in retrospect disagrees with that, I think.
But clearly, my argument has weaknesses. The biggest one is that the top coaches DO go after the top presumed OADs. They must be doing that for a reason when considering all factors.
**Sidenote, AWIII would have started his freshman year without Wiggins on the roster. It's why I said he was "marginalized."
Matthew Hurt to Duke.
Welp see where Kentucky offered Johnny Juzang today after a in home visit - - -YIPPEE - we were 50/50.
The boys on the phog are smoking Self's and staffs ass - -crying the end of the world is here. - -Sorry I don't jump ship- - guess that's the difference between a FAN - -and a Bandwagon fan. -Huge difference between a true fan and someone who is a fan ONLY when nothing but roses. - Comments such as Self and staff are sitting on their ass's while other teams out recruiting - -Ya that's exactly right Bill and the boys are at Coach's office watching porn and drinkin beer while others are recruiting - -ya that's exactly what's going on.
People talking about how the FBI thing hasn't hurt Louisville and Arizona - they doing just fine? - -Guess what Phase 2 of this trial starts Monday - -Arizona , Louisville , Creighton , Oklahoma State , USC , are in the fore front in this phase - -Watch how these recruits jump ship from Arizona - when things get hot - come talk to me later -dam people like this just P - - - - OFF - -fricken bunch of Billy wanna be fans.
@HighEliteMajor Thanks for the reply. I do think we could avoid Presumed OADs, but I have my doubts about the results. I'll explain more below.
Lets start with a scenario where you have talent, but not quite enough to win a NC without adding an immediate impact player capable of helping your team.
Let me even say we were following your plan, only slightly altered. Let's say we build a team from 25-75 ranked recruits, successfully. Likely, because of our success, one or more guys are going to develop too quickly get poached by the NBA. Now, I'd like us to think of the 08 team, specifically. Wright and Rush were poached. If not for Rush's knee injury, I think we all agree the 08 team likely doesn't do what they did. For the sake of the scenario, let's pretend Rush's knee injury doesn't happen and he's gone as well. We have to replace him.
In one corner, stands Option A: a 6'5 175lb noodle of a freshman, ranked 55th in the class. He would love to come to KU. But he is not ready to contribute from day one. Walk-ons would eat him alive at this point. By conference season, he's worth 8-10 MPG. (Rodrick Stewart is now getting 20 MPG. Yikes)
In another corner, stands option B: A 6'6 215 lb wing and Top 5 pick in the NBA draft would also like to come to KU. He is better than your current SF on the depth chart (Rodrick Steward) but he won't give you 4 years like option A would. He increases your chances of a NC from 200/1 to 8/1.
Isn't it a disservice to Sasha, Darnell, RR and Mario to take the lesser guy? Did they not earn their shot at a NC? Or do they not deserve one for not winning one while they had Wright and Rush?
I think you owe them the best chance you can give them to try for a NC if you have the rest of the pieces in place.
And before you fully commit to "OADs don't give anyone anything," let's also look at those numbers. I think KU OADs to date might have been what has turned you sour on them.
This is just going off of getting to the FF.
- 2019 - Nadda. Nobody.
- 2018 - Omari Spellman. Maybe he wasn't PRESUMED OAD. But he was one. He was ranked 20th and within the range of being one. He played damn good ball. He went. He was a OAD.
- 2017 - Zach Collins. Same as above basically. Except ranked 28th.
- 2016 - Malachi Richardson - Syracuse. Ranked 28th. So similar to the guys above
- 2015 - Okafor, Winston, Jones, Kat, Booker and Lyles.
- 2014 - Randle and Young
- 2013 - None. Nadda.
- 2012- Davis, Kidd-Gilchrest, Teague
- 2011 - Knight
- 2010 - None. Nadda.
- 2009 - None. Nadda.
- 2008 - Love, Rose
- 2007 - Oden, Cook and Conley.
- 2006 - Tyrus Thomas
10 FFs out of the 14 since the rule was put in place have had OAD freshman. Not all presumed, I'll concede that. Still, finding an impact Freshman is absolutely key. That or convincing guys to stay. Even if I narrowed it down to Presumed though, 7 of the last 14 FFs had Presumed OADs play in them. That's a pretty good percent.
And, I'll even concede that I think Self's system may not lend itself to OADs like Cal or K or even Roy tbh. They commit to it. They change their system around their talent. Self tries to fit his talent in his system. The JJ year, Self was literally forced to adapt to his team because of having 4 guards and no post presence. And I think that is why we saw JJ thrive.
But, this is the part that scares me. I do think we could probably avoid the Top 10 and be ok. Probably. But let's return to our scenario. Ideally we want a guy ranked high enough he can come in and help, but not so high he leaves. So we laser in on guys ranked 20-40. And this is where the problems with avoiding OADs start. Out of those 20 guys we laser in on, only 10 may be willing to travel to play. Of that 10, only 4 are probably not Nike leans. Of those 4, 2-3 may not be a position of need. So you go from a pool of 20 guys down to literally one or two recruits that make or breaks your season. So, if you miss, you miss BIG.
Instead, we currently cast a net from 1-40. 20 of those guys are staying home. 6 are Adidas guys. And you have 3 or 4 chances at landing that impact player your roster needs to be NC caliber the next season. Throw in the tidbit that Adidas is willing to fork out bigger bucks for anyone ranked Top 15 because they want to sign them to a deal after this year, and it becomes much easier to recruit/sway some of these "presumed OADs".
Or you decide to commit to the rebuild, scrap it, and go for a guy ranked 41-100 instead. I'm sure Sasha, Darnell and RR will get over it.
That's what makes recruiting so damn tough though.
Feel free to respond, as I don't think this can really go negative (at this point). It's a genuinely interesting conversation and has made me pull data I was too lazy to pull at other times. As nice as you guys make me feel about my piece, this is a place for discussion.
@jayballer73 - just read on Yahoo Sports where wiretaps won’t be heard and Miller and the LSU coach won’t testify. Not relevant to this particular case. So... those schools get off free without penalty to players? SMH...
Gorilla72 said:
@jayballer73 - just read on Yahoo Sports where wiretaps won’t be heard and Miller and the LSU coach won’t testify. Not relevant to this particular case. So... those schools get off free without penalty to players? SMH...
ya I saw that earlier - -yet however we are different cases - -if they aren't hearing the wire taps in this - -there has been talk about wiretap from our staff right? - -so fi that was the case you wouldn't think that kind of thing would be allowed either right? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
FWIW I’ve heard rumors UNC is out for Precious. KU and Memphis are the 2.
Just thought of something... What if Stanley changed his commitment date to wait and see if Doke comes back? Yeah I know it’s more likely than not that he’s going to Duke but I can’t help but wonder.
Kcmatt7 said:
It is going to happen regardless. And you're going to end up with unbalanced classes, especially with the way the transfer market has changed. So, you have a team with Frank, DG, Svi, Vick and LL. A damn good team. You would rather have some no name player than JJ come in and help that team. Where is that team without JJ? A 4 or 5 seed and another early tournament flame out.
Frank DESERVED JJ and at least a shot at winning. We didn't land anything else before JJ either. And we tried. JJ didn't hurt a thing. Without him, I'm afraid that team struggles to even make the tournament. He was that good.
IMO JJ was the perfect OAD. Blended perfectly with the guys we had, played hard, never acted like a ME guy.
BigBad said:
Kcmatt7 said:
It is going to happen regardless. And you're going to end up with unbalanced classes, especially with the way the transfer market has changed. So, you have a team with Frank, DG, Svi, Vick and LL. A damn good team. You would rather have some no name player than JJ come in and help that team. Where is that team without JJ? A 4 or 5 seed and another early tournament flame out.
Frank DESERVED JJ and at least a shot at winning. We didn't land anything else before JJ either. And we tried. JJ didn't hurt a thing. Without him, I'm afraid that team struggles to even make the tournament. He was that good.
IMO JJ was the perfect OAD. Blended perfectly with the guys we had, played hard, never acted like a ME guy.
Self said it best. He actually unpacked his bags.
... which implies others perhaps did not.
Something something Wiggins something.
Self may have liked various players, but the “unpacked his bags” comment (in my opinion) refers to being all in when here vs being more focused on the next level.
Well - -starting to look more and more like Precious will be headed to Memphis. - -Memphis starting to get more and more CB'S - like the last 5 have went to Memphis - -un-believable. - -
Maybe we need to renew our interests with Zach Harvey lol. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 I think you are correct.
:pray_tone2:
So is Markese Jacobs a guy we still don’t want or is that a whiff now? Did he stall out in his development?
Edit- I think I can answer my own question. Dude stalled out. He was ranked as high as 49, but currently sits in the 140s on the composite. Ouch.
Kcmatt7 said:
@dylans Yea he ended up at the right place. I think the thought when we offered was he would grow a bit too. His brother is a few inches taller than he is. Didn't happen...
I think there is probably some truth to the height thing. He would be much more intriguing as a 6'3-4'' 2G.
Agree that Depaul is a good fit for both sides.
We will miss Achiuwa's talent but we won't miss his baggage. To think after all that's happened in the past two years that we are still going after guys like this just floors me.
I know if your not in the game your not competing but you'd think we'd be a bit careful. I see nothing's changed!
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
Yes. Yes we are. we’ve been in deep here for a long time. Thanks Norm!!
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
Yes. Yes we are. we’ve been in deep here for a long time. Thanks Norm!!
Norm is the untouchable assistant for me. In a perfect world, Snacks finds a HC job soon. Breaths new blood into the program and a good look in general.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
Yes. Yes we are. we’ve been in deep here for a long time. Thanks Norm!!
Norm is the untouchable assistant for me. In a perfect world, Snacks finds a HC job soon. Breaths new blood into the program and a good look in general.
Same. Look at recruiting pre- and post-Norm. Night and day. I love Danny (who doesn't?) but his lack of recruiting killed us for a couple years.
Stanley to Duke as expected.
BShark said:
Stanley to Duke as expected.
fart noise
@FarmerJayhawk I can't wait to play them!
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
Stanley to Duke as expected.
fart noise
I wanted Hurt, really don't care much about Stanley.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk I can't wait to play them!
Same. I don't care who they trot out, if we can land Hampton/Tucker and another big (Holyfield/Precious) we're going to mess them up big time. If we have Silvio and Doke in the front court, we're going to flat wreck people. Those are two big freaking dudes. Vernon Carey is big but no way on Earth he can body up the big fella. And Silvio can hang with Hurt athletically. Obviously Precious and Holyfield would be terrific too.
BShark said:
Stanley to Duke as expected.
Lolz. Daddy got his payday
@FarmerJayhawk and after the game, with mike on, coach k would whisper to doke it's not very good sportsmanship to hang on the rim and stare down his players like that!🤡
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
boy if we could get Precious or Holyfield to go along with Doke and McCormack - we be good in our front line. - - -Oh and possibly get Silvio eligible this Season - man frontline would be plenty Salty.
I think we are going to see better McCormick this year - -you could see the light starting to flicker in the latter part of the season - things starting to come around - I think he will be a huge 3-4 year player for us
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
boy if we could get Precious or Holyfield to go along with Doke and McCormack - we be good in our front line. - - -Oh and possibly get Silvio eligible this Season - man frontline would be plenty Salty.
I think we are going to see better McCormick this year - -you could see the light starting to flicker in the latter part of the season - things starting to come around - I think he will be a huge 3-4 year player for us
100% agree. A three headed monster of Silvio, Doke, and McCormack, would be epic. We may win a lot of games 61-50 but it'll be the most dominant 11 point win you'll see.
Dok is coming back!
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Stanley to Duke as expected.
Lolz. Daddy got his payday
Daddy making Bank on boy lmao. - -Daddy needs a new pair of Shoes
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Stanley to Duke as expected.
Lolz. Daddy got his payday
Daddy making Bank on boy lmao. - -Daddy needs a new pair of Shoes
They move into the Zion pad with hurts daddy next week
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Stanley to Duke as expected.
Lolz. Daddy got his payday
Daddy making Bank on boy lmao. - -Daddy needs a new pair of Shoes
They move into the Zion pad with hurts daddy next week
Not sure the Stanleys rate the Zion pad.
Miami just added Keith Stone as a grad transfer so not sure how much room they have for Enaruna now.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Miami just added Keith Stone as a grad transfer so not sure how much room they have for Enaruna now.
If we can't beat out Creighton...
Though it wouldn't be the first time...
FarmerJayhawk said:
Miami just added Keith Stone as a grad transfer so not sure how much room they have for Enaruna now.
They only had 6 scholarship players going into the signing period. Not sure that deters him from them but I'd love for that to actually be a thing that impacts a team like it seems to KU
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Miami just added Keith Stone as a grad transfer so not sure how much room they have for Enaruna now.
If we can't beat out Creighton...
Though it wouldn't be the first time...
As we know you dont go to Nebraska country for free LOL
FarmerJayhawk said:
Miami just added Keith Stone as a grad transfer so not sure how much room they have for Enaruna now.
Could be too that they felt they weren't in it Seriously for Enaruna anymore. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Enaruna is still a big need for Miami. They don't have a SF on the roster
I think Creighton is out for Enaruna as they hosted a 3 star SG/SF prospect yesterday for an official visit and are likely to land him. Down to KU/Miami it looks. Both Adidas schools
He would be a very nice depth add. He does have the feel of a guy who may struggle to ever see meaningful minutes though. Unless he embraces becoming a stretch 4
Kcmatt7 said:
He would be a very nice depth add. He does have the feel of a guy who may struggle to ever see meaningful minutes though. Unless he embraces becoming a stretch 4
From what I've seen, he's definitely a college 4.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
He would be a very nice depth add. He does have the feel of a guy who may struggle to ever see meaningful minutes though. Unless he embraces becoming a stretch 4
From what I've seen, he's definitely a college 4.
Agreed
If he wants to play immediately Miami is probably his best option. He didn't even have a large role on his HS team from what I saw a few weeks ago when they played Oak Hill which has an entire D-1 roster. I see the upside with him but I think his readiness is being overblown at a place like KU. I wonder what his plan is now that he's gotten a bunch of exposure and scouts interest
Cole Anthony to Roy.
Still not a great team with him but he makes them better
I think Enaruna is a guy that starts as a JR. Hopefully the huge exposure uptick didn't inflate the ego of his circle.
From the beginning it was hard to imagine Cole Anthony playing literally anywhere else.
Who’s going to land McDaniels? Sounds like a potential high profile bust. 2 of our boys showing up on the 2020 draft board.
Not a ESPN + subscriber but if you are talking about Jaden McDaniels Washington has long been the favorite to land him, but I think Kentucky is still in there.
Had to laugh yesterday when I seen a post that showed Cole Aldridge's tweet - - Said Duke just became a luxury tax provider after getting commits from Hurt and Stanley - - -gotta love it . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Bossi thinks Precious ends up at Memphis with Watford now leaning towards LSU with Wade back.
Woodrow said:
Bossi thinks Precious ends up at Memphis with Watford now leaning towards LSU with Wade back.
I detect no lies.
New here. Had to get away from the other boards that have devolved into nothing but incessant bickering, regardless of thread or topic.
Rock Chalk!
@Wifflehead Welcome friend.
Woodrow said:
Not a ESPN + subscriber but if you are talking about Jaden McDaniels Washington has long been the favorite to land him, but I think Kentucky is still in there.
Yes and me neither, but I can read the articles for some reason.
Wifflehead said:
New here. Had to get away from the other boards that have devolved into nothing but incessant bickering, regardless of thread or topic.
Rock Chalk!
Rock Chalk! Mostly civil here, but occasional squabbles do happen due to the passion of the fans. Nothing overboard though. Welcome to the fam.
Wifflehead said:
@dylans Thanks! Based on the non-stop petulant arguments involving the same people again and again that I've been accustomed to at the other place, the occasional squabble will be a sight for sore eyes. Lol.
Were you on the phog? Cause that board will take it out of ya!
Hasn't Memphis signed a bunch?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Hasn't Memphis signed a bunch?
Penny dropping dimes.
@BeddieKU23 nit status
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 nit status
There are posters that think KU might not even make the NIT next year, others calling for Self to be fired etc...
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 nit status
There are posters that think KU might not even make the NIT next year, others calling for Self to be fired etc...
Sounds about normal. Imagine if Doke didn't come back.
Hasn't been a good year even I am restless with all the negativity surrounding the program and recruiting. Hopefully once this roster is in place I'll snap out of it
@BeddieKU23 Doke certainly improved the baseline but I think there is still a wild swing for next year based on guys KU is still in on. Add Tucker and Holyfield and that's a top 10 roster easily.
@BeddieKU23 I wasnt
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Doke certainly improved the baseline but I think there is still a wild swing for next year based on guys KU is still in on. Add Tucker and Holyfield and that's a top 10 roster easily.
Doke being back is monumental, if healthy. That's the million dollar question that will loom over the team every game and every practice.
I agree that adding those two transfers alone would make this a Top 10 team if Dotson returns. I guess we shall see what happens.
The question is, who is even good next year?
UNC taking a step back. Duke has a great class coming in, but Carey isn't Zion and Hurt isn't Barrett. Marquette could have been a top 10 team if the brothers had stayed. Virginia is losing their top 3 players. Tech lost some players. Yet to be seen at Memphis. Georgia has Tom Crean as HC.
UK and MSU are 1A and 1B.
After that it's a crapshoot. At least that's what it looks like to me.
Looks like Johnny Juzang is going to reclassify to 2019 and commit to Kentucky. He just scheduled a OV there for Monday. KU was believed to be a leader for him a while back.
Woodrow said:
Looks like Johnny Juzang is going to reclassify to 2019 and commit to Kentucky. He just scheduled a OV there for Monday. KU was believed to be a leader for him a while back.
Well he was Adidas but you know, Cal decides he needs a player and Nike is like okay we got this.
That's funny. Juzang is good, not elite by any means. Cant see him playing much
It’s unreal. Duke and UK getting top guys for bench spots. We can’t sell a starting spot.
Dam Saw Jeff Goodman updated his to early top 25 today. - - Jumped KU all the way up to # 3 in the Nation behind Michigan State and Duke. - -Dam - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Kcmatt7 said:
It’s unreal. Duke and UK getting top guys for bench spots. We can’t sell a starting spot.
This blows my mind as well. Makes no sense at all.
A lot of you follow recruiting closer than I do. But, given the way top recruits have shied away from us, I am not hopeful that anyone that thinks they are going to be here one year is coming. I am thinking Holyfield, Tucker , etc. are going to shy away just as the top freshmen have.
COREY EVANS @COREYEVANS13M
UK JOHN CALIPARI IS EXPCETED IN TOMORROW FOR TOP- FIVE JUNIOR RJ HAMPTON, A SOURE TELLS @RIVALS
@ROWLANDRIVALS
@JAYHAWKFAN214 Could you interpret that? It makes no sense what you wrote.
wissox said:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 Could you interpret that? It makes no sense what you wrote.
UK COACH IS GONING TO GO SEE RJ HAMPTON
At this point, I'm going to let all of you do the research and keep me informed about which recruits may or may not come to KU - these shoe company connections and how spoiled these kids are who may or may not make it to - yes, I'm calling it - a dying NBA (which I quit watching a long time ago) is really urking me. Hell, even prognosticators like Wilbon no longer hide the fact that defense is not even played and that the fix is often in. Coach Self will sign a few more recruits and that coupled with what we have coming back will make a more than solid team next season. After that all of the FBI/NCAA crap will be behind us, and even if there is punishment - which I do not see us getting - we will be able to recruit accordingly. All will be fine in Jayhawk basketball land. Why? We are KU, that's why.
Hampton is coming. It just has that feel. And I'll eat my words about Adidas today.
Kcmatt7 said:
Hampton is coming. It just has that feel. And I'll eat my words about Adidas today.
I'm trying to not get excited but it's hard. I hope this decision is mostly up to RJ.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Hampton is coming. It just has that feel. And I'll eat my words about Adidas today.
I'm trying to not get excited but it's hard. I hope this decision is mostly up to RJ.
This is one we need. This is a whatever it takes recruitment.
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Hampton is coming. It just has that feel. And I'll eat my words about Adidas today.
I'm trying to not get excited but it's hard. I hope this decision is mostly up to RJ.
This is one we need. This is a whatever it takes recruitment.
Back up the dump trucks.
BShark said:
Well it sounds from the sound of that article , that as long as Hampton gets the proper credits and is eligible - they said they think the elite talent will be Lawrence bound
Also kind of think Tristan may just end up here - he visits on the 28th of this month - -he has already had his visit to Miami and Creighton- -hopefully we can hear something positive for a change ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Hampton is coming. It just has that feel. And I'll eat my words about Adidas today.
I'm trying to not get excited but it's hard. I hope this decision is mostly up to RJ.
BOY if we could get Hampton and then somehow manage to pull Tucker away from Auburn we be good
For all of you "statistic geeks," I would love to know how many NBA players there are that were NOT ranked in the top 40-75 coming out of HS. Seems like there is a lot of NBA talent that weren't OAD's or highly ranked coming out of HS, but I could be wrong. I'm always rooting that the Hawks find some more "diamonds in the rough" like Mason, Graham, etc.
Hagans, Quickley, Maxey, Whitney, probably Juzang... does Kentucky have room for Hampton?
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Hagans, Quickley, Maxey, Whitney, probably Juzang... does Kentucky have room for Hampton?
NOT REALLY
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Hagans, Quickley, Maxey, Whitney, probably Juzang... does Kentucky have room for Hampton?
If that happens I’m done watching college basketball. I am. I don’t care if he goes to Memphis. But if he goes to UK I’m done.
Ok , so Juzang re-classified , to 2019. - - 6ft 6 - SF - -article says can score at all 3 levels.
My question and yes I understand UK offered. - -yet my question seeing as how we ere at like 50/50 in the old CB thing - -with him re classifying - since he has even WITH UK offering - you think there would be a possibility that w could get a official visit from him now?
Virginia - - USC - - UCLA - - Villanova - & KU was on his list of schools before Kentucky. - -Rated as the # 21 prospect in the class of 2020 - -maybe we still would have a shot - -we got and opening for him - -take Vick's place right?
Chances are he is a wrap to Kentucky now but you would think Coach Self would be on the phone planting a bug in his ear to at least come Visit since he has re-classified. - - I say lay the Hammer down on him now - -lay it down hard - Hey open game - would be funny as hell to yank him away from Kentucky - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Jesus, even the high schools - and I am truly hoping that Hampton reclassifies and that we land him - are in on it. How many of you out there reading this had enough credits to graduate high school after your junior year? Anyone, anyone? Now (whether you did or didn't aside), what are the odds that these jocks have legitimately stockpiled so many credits? Thank you....
dylans said:
@Marco I could’ve taken 2 summer school classes (an English course and an elective) and graduated after my jr year. Instead I took mostly college level courses thru the local juco for dual Hs/college credit. I don’t think that’s too unusual.
HE IS A GOOD KID AND A SMART KID HE HAS GOOD GRADE
@JAYHAWKFAN214 Lol! Yeah, I'm sure those jocks are really hitting the books.
Man.... If we land Hampton and Enaruna I hope that we might also have a shot at getting Zeus Jackson and Poseidon Williams.
Marco said:
Jesus, even the high schools - and I am truly hoping that Hampton reclassifies and that we land him - are in on it. How many of you out there reading this had enough credits to graduate high school after your junior year? Anyone, anyone? Now (whether you did or didn't aside), what are the odds that these jocks have legitimately stockpiled so many credits? Thank you....
Closest I came was having enough at Semester my Senior year. Wasn't ready to hit the job market yet so I took like 5 out of my 7 hours was physical Education of some sort - none of my buddies was able to grad early so I didn't want to just sit at the house the afternoon while they were in /school lol
@JAYHAWKFAN214 agree on the smart kid! His parents are bringing him up the right way!
I guess what I am getting at is that these kids seem to decide spur of the moment that they want to graduate early and, wallah!, they already have enough credits to do so. See Jeff run. See Jeff run fast. It seems that I remember it all starting - can't remember it happening before then - with Duke, even before Bagley, but I can't remember the player right off the top of my head.
@Marco I’m not sure. I thought maybe he had jumped around (up and back) classes. He’s already 18. But all I can find on his prep career is his 3 years at Little Elm https://www.usab.com/basketball/players/mens/h/hampton-rj.aspx ↗
However, it’s been stated he’s out of Texas HS eligibility, so maybe he played a year elsewhere?
I would have thought if he had plans to visit now that re-classified he would have already done so. Seems clear his intent is to go to Kentucky. They only have 8 scholarship players so I guess he sees that as a good situation for himself. He'll be stuck behind Maxey, Quickley, Whitney & Brooks though.
Can Hampton and Dotson co-exist on the court? Someone needs to be able to shoot on the perimeter..
BeddieKU23 said:
Can Hampton and Dotson co-exist on the court? Someone needs to be able to shoot on the perimeter..
They’d fit better than Dotson and Garrett...
If I’m Bill I’m reaching out to Zeke and Josh Green today and making sure they know he’s there for them if and when Miller gets fired 😬
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Can Hampton and Dotson co-exist on the court? Someone needs to be able to shoot on the perimeter..
They’d fit better than Dotson and Garrett...
And you think he'd play over him? I'd love to believe that would happen but would Self. He love Marcus
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Can Hampton and Dotson co-exist on the court? Someone needs to be able to shoot on the perimeter..
They’d fit better than Dotson and Garrett...
And you think he'd play over him? I'd love to believe that would happen but would Self. He love Marcus
He can love Marcus and Still start Hampton over Marcus. I'm not so sure REALLY if Marcus is the type of kid that gets all caught up in starting . I think he is happy to do just whatever he can to help our team. Marcus could still see a lot of Quality minutes especially when he could Back up Dotson & Hampton and even the Small forward for a few minutes if needed.
I mean I know in the end run it's all on Coach - - just saying if it was up to Marcus I don't think it would really matter , just don't see him as a type of kid that is - -well what's the words I'm looking for , anyways I'm pretty sure they could work it out with a lot of problems. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Holyfield & Tucker would make bigger impacts then Green/Nnaji. Change my mind
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Can Hampton and Dotson co-exist on the court? Someone needs to be able to shoot on the perimeter..
They’d fit better than Dotson and Garrett...
And you think he'd play over him? I'd love to believe that would happen but would Self. He love Marcus
100%. I’ll have to find who it is, but someone on Twitter that seems somewhat knowledgeable said Self has personally been more involved with RJ than basically any recruit in recent memory. He wants him bad.
Garrett only started 13 of 30 games last season... I don’t know that Self is THAT in live with his game.
For those of you that follow KU recruiting closely does it seem like this past year there has been almost no coverage of it? There just isn't a good site that provides any information on updates on any of the recruits that we are after. I just never read anything about who we are visiting how visits went and such. Holyfield visited Monday and I literally haven't seen one word about it.
The only information I really ever see is from Corey Evans or Eric Bossi and it is usually in their little weekly write ups. Just is a lot different than it used to be.
@BeddieKU23 it will, I just know!
Woodrow said:
For those of you that follow KU recruiting closely does it seem like this past year there has been almost no coverage of it? There just isn't a good site that provides any information on updates on any of the recruits that we are after. I just never read anything about who we are visiting how visits went and such. Holyfield visited Monday and I literally haven't seen one word about it.
The only information I really ever see is from Corey Evans or Eric Bossi and it is usually in their little weekly write ups. Just is a lot different than it used to be.
Matt Scott was the only guy with any real connections but obviously he wasn't without fault. The guys at 24/7 now are just beat reporters.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
For those of you that follow KU recruiting closely does it seem like this past year there has been almost no coverage of it? There just isn't a good site that provides any information on updates on any of the recruits that we are after. I just never read anything about who we are visiting how visits went and such. Holyfield visited Monday and I literally haven't seen one word about it.
The only information I really ever see is from Corey Evans or Eric Bossi and it is usually in their little weekly write ups. Just is a lot different than it used to be.
Matt Scott was the only guy with any real connections but obviously he wasn't without fault. The guys at 24/7 now are just beat reporters.
And even Matt had his faults... I don't doubt he did his best, but he was often a tease and his CB picks weren't reliable. He rarely staked his name to a definitive statement.
The problem may very well be that we as a KU collective have not jumped to a single site to generate enough traffic and revenue for a sports site to justify hiring a beat reporter. RR is THE place to talk about UK basketball. DD is pretty good as well from what I see.
We have people on LJW, the Phog, SB Nation, here and I'm sure a few other places. If we combined everyone, it would be as toxic as RR. But we might get a legit reporter... So there is a give and a take to it all.
That is a good point about merging into one. 247 and Scout did it recently but even that pool of fans was one-sided in size with the Phog having way more. I don't think many on here would stick around if this place one day merged with the Phog. Nightmare over there and takes away from some of the people that post on there that actually are good.
Jake Weingarten on Twitter is saying Kyree Walker might reclassify to 2019, with KU and Arkansas being the leaders. Additional comment is that KU now has a chance to land two 5* guards this year. Interesting....
Gorilla72 said:
Jake Weingarten on Twitter is saying Kyree Walker might reclassify to 2019, with KU and Arkansas being the leaders. Additional comment is that KU now has a chance to land two 5* guards this year. Interesting....
The other is RJ Hampton.
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
For those of you that follow KU recruiting closely does it seem like this past year there has been almost no coverage of it? There just isn't a good site that provides any information on updates on any of the recruits that we are after. I just never read anything about who we are visiting how visits went and such. Holyfield visited Monday and I literally haven't seen one word about it.
The only information I really ever see is from Corey Evans or Eric Bossi and it is usually in their little weekly write ups. Just is a lot different than it used to be.
Matt Scott was the only guy with any real connections but obviously he wasn't without fault. The guys at 24/7 now are just beat reporters.
And even Matt had his faults... I don't doubt he did his best, but he was often a tease and his CB picks weren't reliable. He rarely staked his name to a definitive statement.
The problem may very well be that we as a KU collective have not jumped to a single site to generate enough traffic and revenue for a sports site to justify hiring a beat reporter. RR is THE place to talk about UK basketball. DD is pretty good as well from what I see.
We have people on LJW, the Phog, SB Nation, here and I'm sure a few other places. If we combined everyone, it would be as toxic as RR. But we might get a legit reporter... So there is a give and a take to it all.
For a stark contrast look at the Maryland 24/7 forum, it's huge.
BeddieKU23 said:
That is a good point about merging into one. 247 and Scout did it recently but even that pool of fans was one-sided in size with the Phog having way more. I don't think many on here would stick around if this place one day merged with the Phog. Nightmare over there and takes away from some of the people that post on there that actually are good.
Basically 90% of this board would not last on the Phog. I agree.
Gorilla72 said:
Jake Weingarten on Twitter is saying Kyree Walker might reclassify to 2019, with KU and Arkansas being the leaders. Additional comment is that KU now has a chance to land two 5* guards this year. Interesting....
Interesting..
BShark said:
Gorilla72 said:
Jake Weingarten on Twitter is saying Kyree Walker might reclassify to 2019, with KU and Arkansas being the leaders. Additional comment is that KU now has a chance to land two 5* guards this year. Interesting....
The other is RJ Hampton.
I'd be ok with this. He looks like a multi-year guy to me though. I don't know what he thinks he is, but he's a little rough around the edges.
Great size. College ready physique. Decent athlete. Plays with a physicality. Handles are roughhhh. Pretty good finisher. Not shooting .400 from 3, but better shooter than JJ. Goes after rebounds.
Looks to me like a modern day 4 man not really a wing.
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
That is a good point about merging into one. 247 and Scout did it recently but even that pool of fans was one-sided in size with the Phog having way more. I don't think many on here would stick around if this place one day merged with the Phog. Nightmare over there and takes away from some of the people that post on there that actually are good.
Basically 90% of this board would not last on the Phog. I agree.
Phog was around before this place. I chose here for a reason. Thanks @approxinfinity !
Walker is a lot like Tucker honestly. Big, physical wings with very good athleticism who can really stroke it. Last year Walker shot 47% from 3 and 77% from the line in HS ball. Dude can play, and is a great fit at the 3 for us. But yeah, he and Tucker can't play together since that would leave only Dotson on the ball.
@FarmerJayhawk Exactly what this program needs a lot of. Athletic guys who can shoot.
Going to be tough to beat out Arkansas but I'd take Walker in a second.
BShark said:
Going to be tough to beat out Arkansas but I'd take Walker in a second.
Same. No guarantee he's a one and done either.
I don't think reclassing is done for 2019 yet by a long shot. You'd be dumb to be in that 2021 draft if you can be in the 2020 draft instead. I wonder how many more guys are able to do it. Just going down the ESPN 60 list:
Yea I'm done. Like 90% of the top guys are old enough. I expect several more names to start popping up.
dylans said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
That is a good point about merging into one. 247 and Scout did it recently but even that pool of fans was one-sided in size with the Phog having way more. I don't think many on here would stick around if this place one day merged with the Phog. Nightmare over there and takes away from some of the people that post on there that actually are good.
Basically 90% of this board would not last on the Phog. I agree.
Phog was around before this place. I chose here for a reason. Thanks @approxinfinity !
Tell the good ones to come on over! :)
Yes! Thanks, @approxinfinity! I’m not sure there are any good ones left over there, though...
@BeddieKU23 Mr. Hampton (yes, he is already pro - being paid) will be going to KU.
@BeddieKU23 Dotson will not be coming back. The starting line-up for next season will be Dok, De Sousa, Agbaji, Hampton and Tucker - McCormick, Holyfield, Enaruna, McBride and Braun coming off the bench.
Clairvoyance and scrying.
We suck if Dotson isn't back.
If you are right on all that I'll buy you a beer Marco. :p
BShark said:
We suck if Dotson isn't back.
If you are right on all that I'll buy you a beer Marco. :p
HE WILL
I'll try and say this Again - maybe more simply - - DEVON DOTSON - - - is NOT GOING ANYHWERE this year. - he is using this for an informational tool. - Finding out where his weakness is according to the NBA.
He had a Solid year - not a GREAT year but a solid year. - He knows he needs to improve yet in area's - -More consistency with his shooting. - -His 3 pt shot needs to improve - if you look back most of his 3's were wide open 3's - -that won't happen in the NBA - most of the time last year he was so wide open on 3's he had time to set his feet plant and shoot.
Question is can he create his own shot? - can he get his jumper of the dribble? - Ya he can drive - but can he consistency get his shot when he wants. - -He could tighten up some yet with his Handle - -at times a little loose with the ball - These are things that he will get feed back on.
He comes back next year works has another Solid year he can work himself into a middle or lower 1st round possibly. - -He tries this year would be a middle 2nd round - -DEVON will be back - well if he has any sense he will. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@approxinfinity No source, just a gut.
@jayballer73 I respect your opinion, but I don't think that Dotson can much improve his stock, I really don't. Hell, look at what Frank did his senior year and he was still a second rounder, ditto for Devonte.
@marco I agree that he probably can’t improve his stock much, but he is a pretty efficient shooter and I think he understands that he is only effective when it’s in rhythm and wide open. I don’t see him changing that approach to try to wow anyone with his shooting ability.
I think what we will get is a stronger, smarter leader for the team when he returns after the draft (and I totally think he is coming back). I would be willing to say that Dotson isn’t really ever going to be a starting NBA PG with his lack of size. Frank was insane and had athleticism like I’ve never seen and what did that get him? I think it’s likely we have at least one, maybe two more years. He is a perfect college 1. If he goes to the draft, I couldn’t help but expect to see him go LATE or be left on the board after the second round.
Marco said:
@jayballer73 I respect your opinion, but I don't think that Dotson can much improve his stock, I really don't. Hell, look at what Frank did his senior year and he was still a second rounder, ditto for Devonte.
I would fall back a little on the Frank/Dotson comparisons. Dotson is 6'2, not 5'11 and Height does matter. I'd be interested in seeing what Dotson's Wingspan is compared to Frank's as well. Frank made up for his height by being a world class athlete at 5'11.
Dotson was already a better defender coming to KU then when Frank left KU. Dotson will hold his own defensively from what I've seen of him.
Where they are similar is they both came to College as more of a scoring guard then PG. Dotson's role at KU changed over the course of the season and by seasons end Self was relying on his offense more then anything. Frank was always juggling being a team manager and a scorer. Dotson has to improve his PG skills if he's going to stick at the next level. He should absolutely watch film on Cassius Winston and how he runs Michigan St. Winston doesn't have blurring speed like Dotson does but his feel for the game and his ability to get to certain spots on the court are almost impossible to stop. I think Dotson can improve on everything coming back. Shooting from the perimeter, mid-range, we saw very little in his arsenal outside of straight line drives to the hoop. Does he have a floater? He's far ahead of where Frank was after his freshman year. Another year could definitely get him into the 1st round potentially.
@BeddieKU23 I'd compare Dotson to Damian Lillard and would say he will always be more of a scoring lead guard in that respect. Lillard raised his freshman scoring ppg of 11 to 20 his sophomore year. I think Dotson could raise his similarly from 12 to 20 if he comes back.
BigBad said:
@BeddieKU23 I'd compare Dotson to Damian Lillard and would say he will always be more of a scoring lead guard in that respect. Lillard raised his freshman scoring ppg of 11 to 20 his sophomore year. I think Dotson could raise his similarly from 12 to 20 if he comes back.
Good points. I do agree that I see Dotson always being a scoring guard. There's nothing wrong with it either, Winston for example however found a balance between the two his Jr year which is why I believe if Devon watched his film he could definitely learn a few things. I also don't think its out of the question he raises his scoring from 12 to 20. He's capable and with all that left this season he's the most likely person to step up and take on more. I hope he lives in the gym working on his shooting and confidence in his game this summer. Same for Ochai.
uk ku duke and Memphis are all watch rjhampton14 right now
🐦 View Tweet?s=21
Self in ATL watching Hampton
He wants the ball in his hands🤔
BeddieKU23 said:
Has good size, very long arms. Has to have a 6'9 wingspan I'm guessing. We offer?
He's blowing up and should end up top 70 across the board.
KU has been keeping tabs. Michigan is also involved. I don't think KU has offered yet. I think he is going to end up in a major conference now.
He’s rail, string bean thin right now. Long term prospect.
So this Kyree Walker thing could happen. We’ll take the first of him and Tucker.
Why not both?
I just hope that it all shakes out. Sign someone, please....
Enaruna began his official visit yesterday. Hopefully Miami and Creighton weren't able to drop off the cash
dylans said:
Why not both?
No room for two guys that are both immediate starter level.
@FarmerJayhawk Seen a lot of good things about Walker. It's gotta be us or Arkansas you think but we've been here before with a Hillcrest Prep player...
BeddieKU23 said:
Enaruna began his official visit yesterday. Hopefully Miami and Creighton weren't able to drop off the cash
I think the real question is can KU match the offer. Also if that stuff about him wanting to play a lot right away isn't fluff KU might not be the best choice for him.
“Bill Self said he needs a point guard and a point guard that can do a lot of things," Walker said. "I’m 6-6, 230, so at my weight and my height there’s not a lot of guards [like me].”
:eyes:
BShark said:
“Bill Self said he needs a point guard and a point guard that can do a lot of things," Walker said. "I’m 6-6, 230, so at my weight and my height there’s not a lot of guards [like me].”
:eyes:
Saying he needs a point guard makes it sound like Dotson isn't returning. Not a scenario we'd like to have
BShark said:
dylans said:
Why not both?
No room for two guys that are both immediate starter level.
@FarmerJayhawk Seen a lot of good things about Walker. It's gotta be us or Arkansas you think but we've been here before with a Hillcrest Prep player...
BeddieKU23 said:
Enaruna began his official visit yesterday. Hopefully Miami and Creighton weren't able to drop off the cash
I think the real question is can KU match the offer. Also if that stuff about him wanting to play a lot right away isn't fluff KU might not be the best choice for him.
Miami still has the most immediate playing time to sell. I can't imagine any kid in the Top 100 saying they want to come in and sit the bench but if playing time is truly a factor yeah KU probably isn't where he goes
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
“Bill Self said he needs a point guard and a point guard that can do a lot of things," Walker said. "I’m 6-6, 230, so at my weight and my height there’s not a lot of guards [like me].”
:eyes:
Saying he needs a point guard makes it sound like Dotson isn't returning. Not a scenario we'd like to have
I think this is just Slick Billy at work.
It would only hurt Bill Self if he started lying to recruits. K can lie right to their faces and turn around and get the #1 class the next season.
BShark said:
“Bill Self said he needs a point guard and a point guard that can do a lot of things," Walker said. "I’m 6-6, 230, so at my weight and my height there’s not a lot of guards [like me].”
:eyes:
I would have to say I think he is probably right - -really big boy and has or seems to have it all - -when he attacks the rim - - - LOOK OUT
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
“Bill Self said he needs a point guard and a point guard that can do a lot of things," Walker said. "I’m 6-6, 230, so at my weight and my height there’s not a lot of guards [like me].”
:eyes:
Saying he needs a point guard makes it sound like Dotson isn't returning. Not a scenario we'd like to have
I just really have a hard time seeing Devon in the NBA at this point. - -Had a really good year - -but still has things to improve on - -think where is the case with some where with them coming back - just doesn't help them a lot - -BUT in Devon's case -- I think coming back for his Soph year would improve his NBA stock dramactically. - I think he has a great shot in the NBA and have a nice career -
I mean maybe Coach obviously knows more - -maybe he is sticking -but as good as a year he had - -think it might be a mistake from going from a midle 2nd round to quite possibly coming back and becoming a late 1st round. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
dylans said:
Why not both?
No room for two guys that are both immediate starter level.
The only KU level starter on the team right now is Dok. (Adbaji might be hurt or he may have been playing out of his head at first and came back to earth, Dotson may be gone, Garrett is a backup, McBride and Braun -not ready yet, McCormack is a year away) Plenty of room for 2 starter quality guards. And we both know if Cal or K wanted an extra body it wouldn’t be an issue. We’ve got to get back to the good old days of having high quality players like TRob waiting on the bench for their turn.
As muc as I would love to have RJ - -I'm afraid that Calipari getting involved even though they have so much returning that some how he will be able to manipulate twist words around to sway Hampton. - His daddy was talking about being impressed by Kentucky but still non comital but Hell RJ is not even going to decide I read about is not even going to make his decision about re classifying until in July and then probably choose his College in August.
So I love RJ BUT if Kyree wants to Commit and it's earlier - like others have said I'm taking the first to commit - -I am not going to put Kyree on hold to see what turns out with RJ - for sure not willing to let Kyree get away and hope for the possibility of RJ
dylans said:
@BShark I do too, but that’s only one starting guard with another 2-3 starting guard spots depending on team make up. Plenty of pt for more quality guards.
I don't think you can add RJ, Walker and Tucker. Honestly though it sure seems like Tucker is Auburn bound anyway, and UNC is involved as well.
I wasn’t factoring in RJ. W/o RJ I see no reason KU couldn’t land Walker and Tucker. With RJ it could get crowded. Walker and Tucker compliment the pieces we have better though. RJ, Garrett, and Dok couldn’t play together - the lane would be choked shut!
Unfortunately you’re probably right on the Tucker front as well. He seems to like the south. Hard to pull a southerner that wants to be a southerner.
BShark said:
dylans said:
@BShark I do too, but that’s only one starting guard with another 2-3 starting guard spots depending on team make up. Plenty of pt for more quality guards.
I don't think you can add RJ, Walker and Tucker. Honestly though it sure seems like Tucker is Auburn bound anyway, and UNC is involved as well.
UNC is out. They took another grad transfer at the same spot.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
dylans said:
@BShark I do too, but that’s only one starting guard with another 2-3 starting guard spots depending on team make up. Plenty of pt for more quality guards.
I don't think you can add RJ, Walker and Tucker. Honestly though it sure seems like Tucker is Auburn bound anyway, and UNC is involved as well.
UNC is out. They took another grad transfer at the same spot.
Ah good to know.
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
@jayballer73 I second that. Whoever commits first, take.
They have sent some combine invites out?
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
Meh.
Marco said:
@BShark I don't think Dotson is going to come back.
Noted.
Just passing it along! If Memphis gets Watford, Precious will not go to Memphis. That could be interesting.
Barring him getting a first round guarantee Dotson will be a Jayhawk next season.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
Nice! The most important part of that post was "(could change on a Dime$)"
I see TX Tech picked up 4* Clarence Nadolny from Pennsylvania. 6’3” guard. Some comments on Twitter about strong improvement this year...
Beard is very good at identifying talent.
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
Nice! The most important part of that post was "(could change on a Dime$)"
hahahaha good catch
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
I thought Precious was supose to be making a decision really soon? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY- - -
Marco said:
@BShark I don't think Dotson is going to come back.
Mercy buddy - -I'm just not getting why you are so convinced that Devon is coming back. - -I would bet for every reason you could try to come up with that why he isn't - -I could counter with why he will. - He is NOT ready - very solid year - -but not a great year. - -Again I feel 10000000000000000000000000000% the reason he dipped his tootsie's this year was ALL informational on what he needed to work on. - Now like I have stated numerous times - - -AFTER next year - -all bets are off. - - I'm just not feelin it this year - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@BShark I don't think Dotson is going to come back.
Mercy buddy - -I'm just not getting why you are so convinced that Devon is coming back. - -I would bet for every reason you could try to come up with that why he isn't - -I could counter with why he will. - He is NOT ready - very solid year - -but not a great year. - -Again I feel 10000000000000000000000000000% the reason he dipped his tootsie's this year was ALL informational on what he needed to work on. - Now like I have stated numerous times - - -AFTER next year - -all bets are off. - - I'm just not feelin it this year - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
THAT IS IT THEY WILL TOLD HIM THE THING THAT HE NEED TO WORK ON THAT WHY HE WILL BE BACK AT KU
I couldn't even put that last comments into laymen's terms
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
I thought Precious was supose to be making a decision really soon? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY- - -
Could be a month from now. Lots left to play out. We probably won’t know the final roster until August.
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@BShark I don't think Dotson is going to come back.
Mercy buddy - -I'm just not getting why you are so convinced that Devon is coming back. - -I would bet for every reason you could try to come up with that why he isn't - -I could counter with why he will. - He is NOT ready - very solid year - -but not a great year. - -Again I feel 10000000000000000000000000000% the reason he dipped his tootsie's this year was ALL informational on what he needed to work on. - Now like I have stated numerous times - - -AFTER next year - -all bets are off. - - I'm just not feelin it this year - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
THAT IS IT THEY WILL TOLD HIM THE THING THAT HE NEED TO WORK ON THAT WHY HE WILL BE BACK AT KU
sorry bud - - -I agree with you I screwed up and put why your so convinced that he is coming back. - -Meant to say why Marco is so convinced he isn't coming back. - -!00% - Devon IS coming back. -- I just screwed up I agree with you - he will be back. - didn't mean to ruffle your Jayhawk feathers. - I'm all in on Devon coming back
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
Meh.
Marco said:
@BShark I don't think Dotson is going to come back.
Noted.
Just passing it along! If Memphis gets Watford, Precious will not go to Memphis. That could be interesting.
Barring him getting a first round guarantee Dotson will be a Jayhawk next season.
Yeah I should have actually stated my thoughts. Precious is probably the least interesting option to me that KU is in on. He's just too raw.
Also isn't Watford going to LSU? Seems like that is all but done.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
Meh.
Marco said:
@BShark I don't think Dotson is going to come back.
Noted.
Just passing it along! If Memphis gets Watford, Precious will not go to Memphis. That could be interesting.
Barring him getting a first round guarantee Dotson will be a Jayhawk next season.
Yeah I should have actually stated my thoughts. Precious is probably the least interesting option to me that KU is in on. He's just too raw.
Also isn't Watford going to LSU? Seems like that is all but done.
Not at all on Watford. He may end up there but with all the stuff LSU is going through it’s a lot more open. Nate Oats has done a great job making up ground as well. All 3 schools probably have a shot.
Creighton or KU for Enaruna. Could be done by the end of the week.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Creighton or KU for Enaruna. Could be done by the end of the week.
Would be nice if it's KU can't lie. Just to get the ball rolling again.
Has he publicly cut Miami or is this some scoopage? :eyes:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Creighton or KU for Enaruna. Could be done by the end of the week.
Would be nice if it's KU can't lie. Just to get the ball rolling again.
Has he publicly cut Miami or is this some scoopage? :eyes:
I'll get a better read on it after the visit is done. Yeah, idk if it's super public but I absolutely know he likes Creighton and KU over Miami on April 29th, 2019.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I’ll also add the staff feels they’re in as good a spot as anyone with Precious. Of course that could change on a dime depending on Silvio/Walker/Tucker.
Meh.
Marco said:
@BShark I don't think Dotson is going to come back.
Noted.
Just passing it along! If Memphis gets Watford, Precious will not go to Memphis. That could be interesting.
Barring him getting a first round guarantee Dotson will be a Jayhawk next season.
Yeah I should have actually stated my thoughts. Precious is probably the least interesting option to me that KU is in on. He's just too raw.
Also isn't Watford going to LSU? Seems like that is all but done.
Not at all on Watford. He may end up there but with all the stuff LSU is going through it’s a lot more open. Nate Oats has done a great job making up ground as well. All 3 schools probably have a shot.
I'm thinking BShark may be right on this - - just seen yet another CB for him and LSU looking more and more like that could be his landing spot. - - 247 shows them in the lead for him now.
Ya you know what? - -With what seems to be all the Panic - - the sky is falling - - Self is doing a suck job with his recruiting - -yet here we are.
Seems like there is still a really good chance we will end up with a really good recruiting class - starting to take shape a little better - -just going to be another case of late year additions. - Although I would sure like to have a year where we aren't sweating little gold nuggets about what the hell we are going to end up with.
I mean let's look at the possibilities we STILL have on the Table for this year : - -We have Rajon Tucker - - - We have Tristan Enaruna - - - -We have what TJ Holyfield - - -We have - - RJ Hampton - - - We have Kyree Walker - - -we have precious - - - also could STILL end up having Silvio back - -if we end up with any kind of Combinations from this - - we are still gonna be fine - -BUT man would love to hear something positive quick. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 You might be right. I have never said that I don't want want him to come back, only that I don't think that he will. Reason #1 - I'm not so sure that he can (I know, he can work on his 3 point shot, learn to D up, he's taller than Frank, etc.) improve his draft stock all that much by coming back - I won't go on and on about why. Reason #2 - I don't think that coach is pushing for him to come back. Perhaps Self might think that a PG rotation of Hampton and McBride (McBride already being a 3 point threat) is better than Dotson. Reason #3 - Maybe Dotson knows for sure something that we don't.
@FarmerJayhawk KU.
Marco said:
@FarmerJayhawk KU.
Hope you're right my dude. About Enaruna, not Dotson. By the time it's all said and done I think he's pushing the top 50 in most rankings.
Enaruna was quoted that he wanted to play a lot right away. Not sure that will happen in Lawrence....depending on whom else signs.
Hawk8086 said:
Enaruna was quoted that he wanted to play a lot right away. Not sure that will happen in Lawrence....depending on whom else signs.
It would suck if we lose another player to Creighton because of this.
BShark said:
Hawk8086 said:
Enaruna was quoted that he wanted to play a lot right away. Not sure that will happen in Lawrence....depending on whom else signs.
It would suck if we lose another player to Creighton because of this.
Creighton has 10 scholarship players including freshman.
2 PG's
2 SG's
3 Wings
1 PF
2 C's
Looks like they might be selling the 4 spot. I don't know what position Ballock settled into but he would seem like a player in Enaruna's way
@BeddieKU23 They've had Ballock as a 4 man basically. At least from what I've watched.
Tristan enaruna@tristanenaruna 8m
Kansas vist come to an end had a great time with team and staff
RJ Hampton officially a 2019 guy. New final four: KU, UK, Memphis, Texas Tech. Decision sometime in July (probably late).
FarmerJayhawk said:
RJ Hampton officially a 2019 guy. New final four: KU, UK, Memphis, Texas Tech.
Interesting addition.
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
RJ Hampton officially a 2019 guy. New final four: KU, UK, Memphis, Texas Tech.
Interesting addition.
The new darlings of Under Armour basketball?
FarmerJayhawk said:
RJ Hampton officially a 2019 guy. New final four: KU, UK, Memphis, Texas Tech. Decision sometime in July (probably late).
After reading his USA today blog - -I feel and fully expect to move that decision day up before long.
Talking about wanting to get back with the Coaches soon and then sitting down and talking everything out with family and then making his decision - -I don't think there is ANY way he waits until July now unless of because of the EBYL
I feel like we are getting Enaruna.
BShark said:
I feel like we are getting Enaruna.
That probably means TJ Holyfield is heading to Illinois to reunite with his old coach. I can't see any way both of those guys would come to KU together.
justanotherfan said:
BShark said:
I feel like we are getting Enaruna.
That probably means TJ Holyfield is heading to Illinois to reunite with his old coach. I can't see any way both of those guys would come to KU together.
I feel like Holyfield is more tied to the Silvio decision but we will see. I could see adding Enaruna and Holyfield if Silvio isn't allowed to play.
I think if Silvio has to leave, the dream scenario would be adding RJ, Walker, Enaruna and Holyfield.
Starting line-up
RJ
Dotson
Walker
Holyfield
Udoka
Just enough shooting to get by and insane athleticism.
Ochai and Garrett as the main bench guards. Then the post gets kind of murky. History would indicate Enaruna wouldn't really play.
Potential target back on the board. Boogie Ellis decommitted from dook. I bet he goes back west but I expect we'll at least kick the tires.
@FarmerJayhawk Interesting. Wonder what happened there.
He got recruited over before he even stepped foot on campus (Stanley). With Jones, Goldwire, and O'Connell coming back, he would've had to fight to be the 3rd or 4th guard when K promised a shot at starting.
I bet Memphis makes a strong push for him. I think they were one of his finalist. Penny has a great chance to end with just a monster class to add to Wiseman.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Potential target back on the board. Boogie Ellis decommitted from dook. I bet he goes back west but I expect we'll at least kick the tires.
DAM - - makes me wonder now - - -with DUKE being RJ'S dream school - -with Ellis de-committing - does RJ put them BACK on the board? - -kind of like the last minute Stanley recruitment? - sure the hell hope not
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Potential target back on the board. Boogie Ellis decommitted from dook. I bet he goes back west but I expect we'll at least kick the tires.
DAM - - makes me wonder now - - -with DUKE being RJ'S dream school - -with Ellis de-committing - does RJ put them BACK on the board? - -kind of like the last minute Stanley recruitment? - sure the hell hope not
I doubt it. Dook has long preferred RJ stay in 2020. Pretty sure that ship has sailed. Can't see him going there with Jones and Stanley on board. Boogie wasn't going to get any of RJ's minutes anyway.
FWIW sounds like this has been in the works for over a month now. Sounds like Boogie wasn't happy Duke was getting involved with Stanley and still going hard after RJ.
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I was surprised Boogie didn't go to Memphis to begin with. Felt like he favored them over Duke and the fit didn't seem right
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I actually just popped in to talk about this. I'm EXCITED.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I actually just popped in to talk about this. I'm EXCITED.
Let's get Silvio cleared this week, Tucker committed next week, then Hampton in June. Work for everyone?
G: Dotson, Garrett, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Ochai, Braun (RS)
F: Silvio, Enaruna, Mitch
F: Doke, McCormack, Mitch
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I actually just popped in to talk about this. I'm EXCITED.
If Daniels is saying Memphis is the team to beat for Hampton - - then why are you EXCITED?
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I actually just popped in to talk about this. I'm EXCITED.
If Daniels is saying Memphis is the team to beat for Hampton - - then why are you EXCITED?
Daniels is saying Memphis is the heavy favorite for Boogie Ellis, another PG. So maybe the Memphis staff is thinking they may not land RJ.
@FarmerJayhawk I don't think we are getting Tucker or Silvio back for that matter but I would absolutely take that. Probably the dream scenario.
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I actually just popped in to talk about this. I'm EXCITED.
If Daniels is saying Memphis is the team to beat for Hampton - - then why are you EXCITED?
Daniels is saying Memphis is the heavy favorite for Boogie Ellis, another PG. So maybe the Memphis staff is thinking they may not land RJ.
people more concerned about Duke getting back in then RJ going to Memphis
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I actually just popped in to talk about this. I'm EXCITED.
If Daniels is saying Memphis is the team to beat for Hampton - - then why are you EXCITED?
Daniels is saying Memphis is the heavy favorite for Boogie Ellis, another PG. So maybe the Memphis staff is thinking they may not land RJ.
people more concerned about Duke getting back in then RJ going to Memphis
I wouldn't be. RJ in effect cut dook when Tre Jones came back.
I think it's good news for Kansas (and Tech). RJ cut Duke when Tre Jones said he was coming back for another season. RJ is a lot better than Ellis and would easily start over him or Stanley if he chose Duke. So I doubt RJ cares at all about Ellis leaving Duke. Memphis going after Ellis could mean that they don't think they have a good shot of landing RJ anymore, though. Losing RJ to Tech would really suck.
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan Daniels saying Memphis is the team to beat. Very interesting re: Hampton...
I actually just popped in to talk about this. I'm EXCITED.
If Daniels is saying Memphis is the team to beat for Hampton - - then why are you EXCITED?
Daniels is saying Memphis is the heavy favorite for Boogie Ellis, another PG. So maybe the Memphis staff is thinking they may not land RJ.
people more concerned about Duke getting back in then RJ going to Memphis
I wouldn't be. RJ in effect cut dook when Tre Jones came back.
This and adding Stanley I feel. Now if somehow Duke gets added again, then I'd be super worried but I don't think they are a player in this one currently.
I've heard RJ announcement won't happen until late July? That makes me worry a little bit about Duke. A lot can happen in 3 month$...
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I've heard RJ announcement won't happen until late July? That makes me worry a little bit about Duke. A lot can happen in 3 month$...
THAT right about the july he not add them back
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I've heard RJ announcement won't happen until late July? That makes me worry a little bit about Duke. A lot can happen in 3 month$...
Exactly. - -with him not announcing until July - gives Rat face all kinds of time to get back into the thick of things. - -The LAST thing I need to hear is that Duke has been added AGAIN to the recruitment of RJ
Looks like R.J. will pop in June, in time for some summer workouts at school.
Well off the Phog - poster showed off @ John Martin 929 twitter account that like a little over an hour ago. 00 Rod Hampton -- RJ'S - dad was suppose to have text this John Martin saying in the txt: RJ & Boogie is a STRONG possibility at Memphis , they can definitely play together. - - who in the hell ever this John Martin is.
They bringing out the point that Rod Hampton went out of his way to send this text to the Martin guy. - -Saying Hampton went out of his way to text Marti - not Martin textin Hampton. - - I swear to GOD if he goes to Memphis - - -I'm done on this recruiting crap -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU has reached out to Boogie.
Kcmatt7 said:
KU has reached out to Boogie.
Doesn't matter but might as well? :shrug_tone2:
Well he can shoot better then what we currently have. I'll take any and all shooters we can get
@BeddieKU23 I'd take him but there is no chance. Can't even see getting a visit.
@JAYHAWKFAN214 I sure hope you are right!
Self is certainly recruiting as if there's a chance Dotson could stay in the draft. He made the Combine. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, coming back to Kansas is the fall back option here
He's not "back" either.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I'd take him but there is no chance. Can't even see getting a visit.
Wouldn't that be interesting if we do.
Seen a Devon Tweet - -only consisted of 30 seconds - -titles - -at work. - Showed a guy defending him and Devon working on his Jumper. - -showed a guy stationary and Devon kind of using him as a pick against his man - and shooting the J. - - I just don't know. - -seems like when he wants something - - he gets it - -hard worker - at 1st I said NO WAY - just all depends on how well he shows. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
The questions about Devon's weaknesses or area's he can improve will not go away. What's going to matter is how well he performs and how his strengths are viewed to scouts.
I'm honestly hoping he returns but these situations are not cut and dry. He made the right call declaring as it led to a combine invite at a setting that should be somewhat advantageous to him. He'll have the ball in his hands if he plays in the combine games. Can show off his speed, defense and finishing ability. Players get drafted for less
Sure would be nice if KU got a commitment over the weekend to get the ball rolling.
Agree. I’m just waiting on the whole “in 10 days everything will clear up”
rockchalkwyo said:
Agree. I’m just waiting on the whole “in 10 days everything will clear up”
Doke and they were probably thinking an answer on Silvio either way.
That said, commitments are coming I'm sure.
HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark All good. But worth discussing.
It's definitely an angle that schools play. It was actually put out there that Notre Dame did it with a kid that was going to go to Maryland. His name is eluding me at the moment.
I think I'll revisit this if Enaruna picks Creighton.
I'm thinking we need to do away with the Weekends during our recruiting. - -When Friday Night Thru Sunday comes around this place is DEAD lmao. - -I need my recruiting fix 24/7 so I come here and less action/people then the shoot ort at the Ok Coral - I start going through withdrawal - -without my fix - -JUMPIN - -GEE- - HOSSIE - -TOADS. - - welp guess I've just gotta maintain till Monday -- dam lol
@jayballer73 - recruits seem to be enjoying the weekend scene at KU. Maybe it’s just us older folks need the fix.
Gorilla72 said:
@jayballer73 - recruits seem to be enjoying the weekend scene at KU. Maybe it’s just us older folks need the fix.
lol , ya more likely then not your right. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG ABBY
Really frustrating year recruiting wise.- Saw Rayjon had tweeted some more , but getting to thinking -- maybe he just loves twitting - -getting the spotlight - -who knows, you really can't take a lot from it at this point really don't know at this point.
Looking more and more like quite possibly that RJ does commit to fricken Memphis - - I think it's still gonna be a hard draw to get Tucker away from Auburn it sounds like - - - Enaruna - not really very sure about that , sounds like he is wanting quality playing time his Fresh year , just not real sure that's happening here. - - -Holyfield -real good chance he ends up at Illinois with Underwood. - - - After we supposedly had Earl locked what happens? - - goes to another school. - - Then we had Stanley , people thinking we had a legit chance and BAM - - - Duke
More Frustration - -makes it even worse , and actually for the 1st time begins to make me wonder - - do we need a shake up in Coach Self's staff? - I have said this before -- we are just NOT closing the deal on these kids - - someone is NOT finishing the job , looking like once these kids talk very favorable then whoever backs off -slacks like I dunno staying on top of these kids until they have signed that paper. - -we have got to grab these kids by the throat - -stay on them don't EVER take anything for granted with these kids. - -been mentioned - we maybe need new blood injected in the staff.
The frustration for me is seeing Calipari his success. They just got their commitment from Kahlil Whitney # 8 in the Nation - -their 6th for 2019. - -BUT here is the deal Calipari in his 11 years at Kentucky has got 52 commitments from top -- 50 kids - -- in those 11 yrs - - - he has gotten 43 commitments from top 25 kids during these 11 yrs - -- - -And 23 commitments from - - - top 10 players during that time. - - I can't stand Calipari - -BUT numbers don't lie - the Guy can flat out recruit he and his staff obviously - - which only leads to my statement about possibly needed fresh blood injected into our staff. - -yr after yr they continue to whip ass in recruiting. - -what have we gotten during that time frame - Hell we haven't come that close in Coach Self's 16 yrs.
The only positive as small as it is in recruiting - I was reading off the UK boards - - they were talking about future recruits and listed who they were and their chances - the focus was about them losing ground with Scottie Barnes ?
Well there was a couple of so called analyst talking about where uncommitted recruits and 2020 recruits were going to land. - -This guy named - - Kendyl Provost Jr of the West Coast that is connected/projecting players follows a lot of players and such - - -He predicting that we STILL will get RJ - -and also predicting that we land Precious - -Sooo whatever that's worth if anything.
One thing I wonder now - - With Kentucky getting the commit out of Whitney - -how does that effect Johnny J ? - -both play the same position both 6'6 SF - -says He still wants in at Kentucky - - just insane - -think we got ANY shot?
Oh man @jayballer73 wooosssaaaa
@jayballer73 If it makes you feel any better about all those wonderful recruits Calipari gets. He has the same amount of championships as KU and one more NIT appearance. He’s about as successful at buying a roster as the Yankees of late.
dylans said:
He’s about as successful at buying a roster as the Yankees of late.
OMG :skull:
jayballer73 said:
Really frustrating year recruiting wise .... we maybe need new blood injected in the staff.
Whatever the discussion, it seems to me, we need to start at the top.
That said, this all seems largely related to the FBI/Adidas deal. I think we all agree that is the lynch pin in all of this. A storm we just have to whether. It's impacted two recruiting classes.
I'm supposing that envelopes of cash aren't being provided by our booster ... uh, recruiting partner, Adidas. I'm supposing recruits are considering the fallout from the FBI/Adidas deal and the possibility of probation (no tourney appearance). I'm supposing that having a McDonald's AA get limited run, Q's draft stock sinking like a rock, Doke coming back and clearly being the focal point, and a situation where our offensive approach is murky (3/2 vs. 4/1), all play a bit into this. I also think that we are handicapped, always, in recruiting with Self because of how he has handled better players vs. below avg. role players (Brady, Traylor, LL). We can disagree on that last point, but if you're recruit, and you have choice, why would you want to play for a coach that plays his pets over NBA level talent (that you, as a recruit, think you are)? Of course, there are lots of successes and counter-narratives that have significant weight as well.
The reality is that we have a top 5 roster of talent nearly every season. There is no arguing that. It's just one man's job to make those rosters successful.
Heading into next season, my concern is that we repeat this past season -- going all in with a scheme focused on Doke, who has proven highly fragile. SDS's appeal looms, too, for recruits considering KU.
Back to the FBI/Adidas deal, the question is, how long is the storm? And what do things look like after the storm passes?
dylans said:
@jayballer73 If it makes you feel any better about all those wonderful recruits Calipari gets. He has the same amount of championships as KU and one more NIT appearance. He’s about as successful at buying a roster as the Yankees of late.
doesn't replace the fact bottom line is he is getting them. - -doesn't say a thing about his Coaching abilities. - - I've seen multiple Great recruiting coach's that can't Coach - perfect example was coach Owens back in his day - -recruited many really good players back in his day - just didn't do squat with them.
Bottom line is UK just continually kicks our ass in recruiting -- The thing is in reality the programs NOT that much difference - just UK has a staff that can sell a program - - finish out - -we obviously don't - -we CAN NOT FINISH. - -it shows year after year after year. - - I'm not talking with this topic about winning National Championships - -this topic is about RECRUITING - -where they whip our ass like a Church House mouse - year - - after year -- after year. -Their staff can finish. - Again I'm not talking Coaching ability - -for me Calipari - has NOTHING on Self as far as Coaching - - perfect example was our NC against Memphis
I have NO PROBLEM - - ZELCH about Coach Self and his coaching - perfect examples with his success against Duke - - North Carolina - - -and others - -just simply saying it very well could be time for Coach to bring in new blood for his staff - -the results in recruiting are right there in front of our face - -top quality commits don't lie
It's not about wonderful recruits - it's I'd like to be able to land some of those wonderful recruits. - -you have to get the players to get the results - -were NOT getting the players. I think Coach is the better Coach - -so 1st we need those players to see. - -Job is not getting done
@jayballer73 Howard is the obvious keeper. We need atlleast one new assistant as a replacement for whoever is the weak link among the others. Loyalty dies hard, but in the end an assistant needs to be able to recruit.
@Marco How is Howard the obvious keeper? His recruiting has been less stellar his entire time at Kansas. The two highest rated recruits he's ever signed have had major issues. Cliff Alexander with the NCAA and Quentin Grimes and Cliff were both busts on the court. He's only landed 3 top 50 recruits ever as an assistant coach.
To me, Howard has always been the weakest link on the coaching staff. Recruiting slipped under him as he has had a lot of high profile misses.
@jayballer73 I don't think it is anything the staff is doing or not doing..Totally related to the uncertainty of the FBI thing.
According to Zagsblog.com, Lester Quinones (6’6” SG) is down to Indiana and Memphis. If he chooses Memphis, what are the ramifications for Hampton and others? Announcement Friday, 5/10.
Gorilla72 said:
According to Zagsblog.com, Lester Quinones (6’6” SG) is down to Indiana and Memphis. If he chooses Memphis, what are the ramifications for Hampton and others? Announcement Friday, 5/10.
The pick is expected to be Memphis fwiw.
Gorilla72 said:
According to Zagsblog.com, Lester Quinones (6’6” SG) is down to Indiana and Memphis. If he chooses Memphis, what are the ramifications for Hampton and others? Announcement Friday, 5/10.
🔒🔒🔒🔒
How many scholarships does Memphis still have open?
@Crimsonorblue22 Just a thought? Townsend....
@Texas-Hawk-10 But who else is outrecruiting him? I might be out of the loop. I'm not sure that Howard knew that the players, all highly regarded, would be busts.
Let's not forget Howard had the scout against dook last year, where Self had one of the finest coaching performances I can remember from him. I agree that if anyone should go (which, no thanks), it should be Townsend. Remember Howard also got the Lawson's via his connection to Memphis when he was lead on Vick. SMU connections and all that jazz.
@Crimsonorblue22 I think that Aaron Miles, as some have said, would be a great fit. Those Washington/West Coast ties are intriguing, to say the least.
I have Memphis with 3 open slots unless his son isn't on scholarship
Marco said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 But who else is outrecruiting him? I might be out of the loop. I'm not sure that Howard knew that the players, all highly regarded, would be busts.
He's only landed 3 top 50 recruits, not especially impressive considering how long he's been here at this point.
Norm and KT both have a better track record in recruiting than Howard does. Howard is KU's weak link in recruiting.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Marco said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 But who else is outrecruiting him? I might be out of the loop. I'm not sure that Howard knew that the players, all highly regarded, would be busts.
He's only landed 3 top 50 recruits, not especially impressive considering how long he's been here at this point.
Norm and KT both have a better track record in recruiting than Howard does. Howard is KU's weak link in recruiting.
If we count transfers, the number is 5 or 6. Dedric and Malik were pretty good here.
Looks like Georgia just dropped their 5th bag of cash off this cycle to 4 Star PG Wheeler. Former Texas A&M commit is deciding between them and Iowa St. Iowa St insider dropped a CB for Georgia so that sounds like a wrap.
Unreal what's going on at Georgia right now. Tom recruiting 10x better than he ever did at Indiana and nobody appears to be batting an eye and it's hystercal
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Georgia just dropped their 5th bag of cash off this cycle to 4 Star PG Wheeler. Former Texas A&M commit is deciding between them and Iowa St. Iowa St insider dropped a CB for Georgia so that sounds like a wrap.
That's when you know it's really over.
@Kcmatt7 NOTHING TO SEE HERE
KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99...
BShark said:
KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99...
Didn't Braun grow an inch or two? I thought he was listed at 6-5 or so, and now is more like 6-7. I may be remembering wrong, though. That would be reason to bump him up.
justanotherfan said:
BShark said:
KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99...
Didn't Braun grow an inch or two? I thought he was listed at 6-5 or so, and now is more like 6-7. I may be remembering wrong, though. That would be reason to bump him up.
24/7 was way behind the other services on them fwiw. These rankings feels about right. Both are still sub 100 it's just that 24/7 had them 200 or lower in Braun's case.
I'm seeing conflicting heights on Braun. Will be interesting to see where he ends up.
BShark said:
KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99...
Well finally some good news. - - THAT'S A huge JUMP FOR McBride - - rock chalk all day long baby
@FarmerJayhawk Miles and Manning (after Manning gets fired) - I want both. I don't want Danny as a head coach but do want him for his recruiting and ability to work with big men, ditto for Miles with guards. Personally, I think our program has suffered since Danny left for Tulsa.
Marco said:
@FarmerJayhawk Miles and Manning (after Manning gets fired) - I want both. I don't want Danny as a head coach but do want him for his recruiting and ability to work with big men, ditto for Miles wih guards. Personally, I think our program has suffered since Danny left for Tulsa.
Danny was really good working with the Big's for sure. - -Thing is and I would love if he came back - - BUT I just don't see that happening whether he gets fired or not. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 I agree with you. But damn that would be nice, wouldn't it?
Well while I'm at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
Kcmatt7 said:
Well while I'm at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
100% would not hate Mitch staying on as a grad assistant or something.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well while I'm at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
100% would not hate Mitch staying on as a grad assistant or something.
Dude is absolutely fantastic as a teammate. Truly unselfish. He probably wouldn't mind staying on as a grad assistant honestly... Life in Lawrence, KS cannot be bad for Mitch.
FWIW, Adam Zagoria (ZAGSBLOG about all levels of hoops) was suspended on Twitter. Rumor is, he offended some U of AZ fans. 🙄
Gorilla72 said:
FWIW, Adam Zagoria (ZAGSBLOG about all levels of hoops) was suspended on Twitter. Rumor is, he offended some U of AZ fans. 🙄
Not a fan of Zag but this is absurd.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well while I'm at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
100% would not hate Mitch staying on as a grad assistant or something
That sounds good to me - - Our Mister do everything - & NO DOUBT he loves KU - -let him speak for/with us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
Honestly, meh and I've mostly had that approach since I thought KU was in on him.
Glad we didn’t get him tbh. Walking sanction
Kcmatt7 said:
Glad we didn’t get him tbh. Walking sanction
Walking lack of basketball skill and buckets.
@FarmerJayhawk - that leaves Memphis with 2 open scholarships?
FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
looks like it - -but if we can land Holyfield and or both him and Enrauna - - -it be all right.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Glad we didn’t get him tbh. Walking sanction
Walking lack of basketball skill and buckets.
But yet IF he would of landed here - -I bet you wouldn't hear anyone saying much
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
looks like it - -but if we can land Holyfield and or both him and Enrauna - - -it be all right.
I'd bet money Enaruna ends up in Omaha.
Gorilla72 said:
@FarmerJayhawk - that leaves Memphis with 2 open scholarships?
I think 3. They’re turning over the roster at some kind of pace.
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
looks like it - -but if we can land Holyfield and or both him and Enrauna - - -it be all right.
I'd bet money Enaruna ends up in Omaha.
I’ll be disappointed if that’s the case. He would be a great 3-4 year player that could develop under Self at KU. I hope they somehow still land him.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
http://www.kake.com/story/40431717/maize-hs-standout-grill-commits-to-iowa-state ↗
With Braun already in the fold, Grill was never really in play for KU. Good to see that he will get a shot at the P5 level, though.
justanotherfan said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
http://www.kake.com/story/40431717/maize-hs-standout-grill-commits-to-iowa-state ↗
With Braun already in the fold, Grill was never really in play for KU. Good to see that he will get a shot at the P5 level, though.
I think he will wash out and end up in the Valley but you can't fault a kid for trying.
@justanotherfan No , but it is a kick in the nards for KSU, though. It seems that they were after him pretty hard.
Hawk8086 said:
@justanotherfan No , but it is a kick in the nards for KSU, though. It seems that they were after him pretty hard.
Correct. KSU had this happen to them twice this cycle where the player went in league. The other being Braun.
bcjayhawk said:
@Hawk8086 @BShark K-State's miss on Grill may have been due to Assistant Coach Frazier leaving to go to Virginia Tech. Braun committed some time ago, so it probably wasn't a factor for him (unless he had some real good inside information).
Bill + the storied tradition of KU simply dunked HARD on Squeaky and their barn as I understand it. KSU or OU would have been the pick if KU didn't swoop in.
@bcjayhawk to be fair, only dogs can hear that pitch.
@FarmerJayhawk LOL!
Johnny Juzang will announce on Friday. He is going to Kentucky. It also appears now that Kentucky is going to land Jaden McDaniels a top 10 player in the 2019 class. Seemed like Washington was his leader forever, but Evan Daniels just put in his pick for UK. Pretty monster class for UK. 4 of the top 25 players.
If your Dontaie Allen you open up and find somewhere else.
Unreal what Cal is able to pull off in Lexington. Blows my mind honestly.
BeddieKU23 said:
If your Dontaie Allen you open up and find somewhere else.
I don't know how he ever thought he'd see the floor for extended minutes at UK.
Do we play them this year?
@FarmerJayhawk I don't think so. We play Duke in the Champions Classic I believe.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Do we play them this year?
I'm just going to assume the Big12/SEC challenge is rigged so that we always play Kentucky once and I'm fine with that.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Do we play them this year?
yep - -think so
Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk I don't think so. We play Duke in the Champions Classic I believe.
ooops ok my bad - -I was thinking that was this year - -age showing - -AGAIN lol
https://247sports.com/player/jaden-mcdaniels-46046881/ ↗
Calipari needs a big Calipari gets a big.
BShark said:
https://247sports.com/player/jaden-mcdaniels-46046881/ ↗
Calipari needs a big Calipari gets a big.
Wants*
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
https://247sports.com/player/jaden-mcdaniels-46046881/ ↗
Calipari needs a big Calipari gets a big.
Wants*
You seen their roster?
Hmmmm Interesting , - -was checking things out - -was wanting to see since Texas Tech is on RJ'S list of Schools - -was checking that out - -which by the way they all are thinking if they get him on Campus then it's all over as Beard will do his Bear thing they say. that's one thing - -BUT:
The Big thing I found interesting is - - they were talking about TJ Holyfield - -Now that he has all his visits in - just finished Illinois last Saturday - -of course they had an article with this Illinois beat writer.
They of Couse think he lands at Illinois because of Underwood - -which he very well could. - - Illinois are thinking he is likely to make his announcement THIS week - quoted as Early this week - -Well ? - here we are at Mid week nothing yet
Now here is what I found very interesting: there is a Tech poster that said - -that Supposedly the was a Illinois personality - - Loren Tate had a source that had said - - KU put an ultimatum to Holyfield that he had to commit by yesterday ( May7th ). - - -Speculation that KU didn't want Holyfield to take his visit to Illinois - - -OR they wanted to commit ASAP given the Silvio DeSousa situation could change at any minute.
Man some people - -hell like I said he very well might end up at Illinois -but KU making an ultimatum? - - Seriously? - - -so what you think?
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
https://247sports.com/player/jaden-mcdaniels-46046881/ ↗
Calipari needs a big Calipari gets a big.
Wants*
You seen their roster?
Sestina, Montgomery and Richards would keep KU away from a 4th big imo.
@jayballer73 I think that we play Kentucky in the Big12/Sec Challenge, almost sure of it.
Bill had three 5 ⭐️ point guards on his championship team. There’s plenty of room for Tucker and Hampton and Dotson. Bring it!!!
dylans said:
Bill had three 5 ⭐️ point guards on his championship team. There’s plenty of room for Tucker and Hampton and Dotson. Bring it!!!
Oh for sure. Bill has said a lot he’ll play as many PG’s as can defend 1-5, hence his love for Garrett. And honestly Tucker is more a 4 than 1 at this point. He doesn’t have great ball skills. Which is why he’s a fringy top 100 player on draft boards right now.
TT might play Kentucky
@FarmerJayhawk so does Hyland really have a list of schools he’s considering or is his recruitment kind of just starting since he took off?? Has he taken any visits ?
FarmerJayhawk said:
I think @BShark brought this up earlier, but I think KU likes Nah'Shon Hyland a lot. I don’t know if he’s waiting on a Kansas offer, but if he is and things go sideways with R.J., he can come in and compete right away.
I'm greedy so I want him too. We have enough open schollies right? Ahahahaha.
But yeah I could see where he wouldn't want to come in and RS.
Corey Evans flipped his pick on Precious from Memphis to Kansas this morning...
STAHP. I CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH
FarmerJayhawk said:
Corey Evans flipped his pick on Precious from Memphis to Kansas this morning...
I don't really think that matter that much. - - I think in the end he will still end up at Memphis. - Seems to be the Generalview. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
God a scenario where Mitch gets to redshirt and be here one more year is the friggen dream.
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Corey Evans flipped his pick on Precious from Memphis to Kansas this morning...
I don't really think that matter that much. - - I think in the end he will still end up at Memphis. - Seems to be the Generalview. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Corey must know something to change his pick. He might not be Evan Daniels, but he's not far behind.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Corey Evans flipped his pick on Precious from Memphis to Kansas this morning...
Hmm, i'm not seeing this. You referencing 247 site?
@RockkChalkk Rivals. They have a prediction feature now too
FarmerJayhawk said:
@RockkChalkk Rivals. They have a prediction feature now too
Yup and of course I have both tabs open on my phone that I’m constantly looking at. Wife says I need to take it easy.
@rockchalkwyo I can imagine! Now that we're on summer break it's like my tic
Kcmatt7 said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Corey Evans flipped his pick on Precious from Memphis to Kansas this morning...
I don't really think that matter that much. - - I think in the end he will still end up at Memphis. - Seems to be the Generalview. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Corey must know something to change his pick. He might not be Evan Daniels, but he's not far behind.
Very true my friend. - - looked at some other things after I posted this. - - Seems that Corey flipped his pick to us - - then Gershon followed suit and also changed his pick to us -- & then seen the Evan Daniels CB pick for Precious is that cloudy/ I dunno mode now.
There is becoming so many combinations/possibilities - now even as remote as they once may of seemed my head is spinning. - Could be from my refreshment last night/Bourbon lol - but just saying.
ya know like Holyfield/De Sousa - - Precious Holyfield - - - Holyfield/Tristan - -anyone of these guys possibilities - -dammit just commit lmao - -my head is spinning lol.
Also saw that Rayjon was not on the list for NBA combine , I would think that would remove that possibility for him now.
I sure thought some time back that Precious was going to make his announcement/pick some time back - -or REAL soon. - Tells me he is still open. - -ROCK CHALKALL DAY LONG BABY
On a little side note - - -read where Silvio & Quentin are having work outs today for the Atlanta Hawks a pre draft work out for them - -and also Ositkowski from Texas is also working out today for them ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
rockchalkwyo said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@RockkChalkk Rivals. They have a prediction feature now too
Yup and of course I have both tabs open on my phone that I’m constantly looking at. Wife says I need to take it easy.
Whew! I thought I was the only guy coming back every 15 minutes....
@FarmerJayhawk Waaaaat?
Seen a post saying that the last 4 twitter accounts that Rayjon has followed on twitter have been Ochai - - - Mitch - - - Zoe Hill ( Volleyball player ) - - and some female RdnReed - --who has Free Silvio in her Bio - - FWIW - -not much but anyways - lol
FarmerJayhawk said:
Corey Evans flipped his pick on Precious from Memphis to Kansas this morning...
Do you have to be a subscriber to see these picks? Where is it??
@FarmerJayhawk I thought it was done to Memphis. Not sure I buy this especially after KU just took Enaruna. :thinking:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I thought it was done to Memphis. Not sure I buy this especially after KU just took Enaruna. :thinking:
This is why we resigned with Adidas right? Did that new contract also come with a new bag man?
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I thought it was done to Memphis. Not sure I buy this especially after KU just took Enaruna. :thinking:
This is why we resigned with Adidas right? Did that new contract also come with a new bag man?
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I thought it was done to Memphis. Not sure I buy this especially after KU just took Enaruna. :thinking:
This is why we resigned with Adidas right? Did that new contract also come with a new bag man?
Well it sure as shit won't be the guy that got caught anymore lol.
Probably just a coincidence that recruiting has REALLY picked up after finalizing that deal though...
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I thought it was done to Memphis. Not sure I buy this especially after KU just took Enaruna. :thinking:
This is why we resigned with Adidas right? Did that new contract also come with a new bag man?
Well it sure as shit won't be the guy that got caught anymore lol.
Probably just a coincidence that recruiting has REALLY picked up after finalizing that deal though...
Yea... Coincidence...
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I thought it was done to Memphis. Not sure I buy this especially after KU just took Enaruna. :thinking:
This is why we resigned with Adidas right? Did that new contract also come with a new bag man?
Well it sure as shit won't be the guy that got caught anymore lol.
Probably just a coincidence that recruiting has REALLY picked up after finalizing that deal though...
It's amazing how these things are just totally not related whatsoever and in no way, shape, or form whistles past graveyard
From Corey, "It’s a few separate sources. Nothing legitimate. Going out on the limb some but this is not a done deal for Memphis. Going back and fourth on each. UNC, too. Believe that Kansas will get him in the end but not definite."
Going to go on record now that I don't really want Precious. I'm sure if he ends up at KU that I will jedi mind trick myself but I just don't see it with him in one year. His ranking seems purely based on potential. I think it would end up being a similar situation to Cheick.
@FarmerJayhawk This is exactly what I just told @BShark as well.
Interesting..... Hampton and Precious (they seem to be a package deal) joining Enaruna, Braun and McBride along with Tucker - who I think we'll also get - is a monster class that - if it happens - could, perhaps, be the best that Coach Self has ever had.
Do we have enough🏀🏀 to keep everyone happy, especially if Silvio comes back?
@Crimsonorblue22 Silvio will not be back.
@FarmerJayhawk I'm worried based on what I've seen. He's a big time brick mason and he's got a handler and they are going to be focused on his brand and want him to be taking shots.
@Marco Gut feeling? I think if the staff is really getting back in there with Precious then they certainly think the news is going to be bad for Silvio. This would be an absolute 180 from recent vibes.
FarmerJayhawk said:
From Corey, "It’s a few separate sources. Nothing legitimate. Going out on the limb some but this is not a done deal for Memphis. Going back and fourth on each. UNC, too. Believe that Kansas will get him in the end but not definite."
Saw off 247 where Memphis got another CB pick for Precious today - -it's ok - - Think we are going to be all right. - -Man I just wish we could get a finalization on Silvio - -the kid has suffered enough - let the kid play or end it so he can be on his way - this dam thing just drags on because of this fricken NCAA
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
From Corey, "It’s a few separate sources. Nothing legitimate. Going out on the limb some but this is not a done deal for Memphis. Going back and fourth on each. UNC, too. Believe that Kansas will get him in the end but not definite."
Saw off 247 where Memphis got another CB pick for Precious today - -it's ok - - Think we are going to be all right. - -Man I just wish we could get a finalization on Silvio - -the kid has suffered enough - let the kid play or end it so he can be on his way - this dam thing just drags on because of this fricken NCAA
Yeah I don’t see us really going after Precious unless Silvio’s situation goes sideways. And Holyfield is still out there so it may all be moot anyhow.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I'm worried based on what I've seen. He's a big time brick mason and he's got a handler and they are going to be focused on his brand and want him to be taking shots.
@Marco Gut feeling? I think if the staff is really getting back in there with Precious then they certainly think the news is going to be bad for Silvio. This would be an absolute 180 from recent vibes.
Gut feeling. I think that he won't be back for the reason that you stated above. Hampton and Precious seem - I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first, Lol) - to be a package deal. The NCAA really double-dribbled in the handling of De Sousa. "We gave the 2-year ban and, by god, we have to stick to it. We might appear wrong and weak otherwise," is what they could be saying to themselves.
@Crimsonorblue22 I don't know for sure that he'll be gone, but just looking at what more and more seems to be a Hampton/Precious package deal coming to Lawrence it sure has that vibe.
Marco said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I'm worried based on what I've seen. He's a big time brick mason and he's got a handler and they are going to be focused on his brand and want him to be taking shots.
@Marco Gut feeling? I think if the staff is really getting back in there with Precious then they certainly think the news is going to be bad for Silvio. This would be an absolute 180 from recent vibes.
Gut feeling. I think that he won't be back for the reason that you stated above. Hampton and Precious seem - I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first, Lol) - to be a package deal. The NCAA really double-dribbled in the handling of De Sousa. "We gave the 2-year ban and, by god, we have to stick to it. We might appear wrong and weak otherwise," is what they could be saying to themselves.
Except it’s not “the NCAA” that’s deciding Silvio’s fate. It’s an independent appeals committee made up of a bunch of different people not affiliated with the NCAA.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I'm worried based on what I've seen. He's a big time brick mason and he's got a handler and they are going to be focused on his brand and want him to be taking shots.
@Marco Gut feeling? I think if the staff is really getting back in there with Precious then they certainly think the news is going to be bad for Silvio. This would be an absolute 180 from recent vibes.
Gut feeling. I think that he won't be back for the reason that you stated above. Hampton and Precious seem - I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first, Lol) - to be a package deal. The NCAA really double-dribbled in the handling of De Sousa. "We gave the 2-year ban and, by god, we have to stick to it. We might appear wrong and weak otherwise," is what they could be saying to themselves.
Except it’s not “the NCAA” that’s deciding Silvio’s fate. It’s an independent appeals committee made up of a bunch of different people not affiliated with the NCA
I stand corrected, sir. Appreciate the info. Sure the hell wish that they would hurry up so we don't whiff on recruits while waiting.
The NCAA was beyond wrong in giving a 2-year ban. We shall see, though. Who would you want (De Sousa aside), Holyfield or Precious?
Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I'm worried based on what I've seen. He's a big time brick mason and he's got a handler and they are going to be focused on his brand and want him to be taking shots.
@Marco Gut feeling? I think if the staff is really getting back in there with Precious then they certainly think the news is going to be bad for Silvio. This would be an absolute 180 from recent vibes.
Gut feeling. I think that he won't be back for the reason that you stated above. Hampton and Precious seem - I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the first, Lol) - to be a package deal. The NCAA really double-dribbled in the handling of De Sousa. "We gave the 2-year ban and, by god, we have to stick to it. We might appear wrong and weak otherwise," is what they could be saying to themselves.
Except it’s not “the NCAA” that’s deciding Silvio’s fate. It’s an independent appeals committee made up of a bunch of different people not affiliated with the NCAA.
I stand corrected, sir. Appreciate the info. Sure wish the hell they would hurry up so that we don't whiff on recruits while waiting. I think the NCAA was beyond wrong giving a 2-year ban. We shall see, though. Who would you want (De Sousa aside)? Holyfield or Precious?
No worries my man! I think that’s the biggest reason there’s such optimism on KU’s side. They feel the facts of the case and the punishment are way out of whack and most reasonable folks will see it their way.
I definitely have a biased opinion, but I’ll take Precious. I really like Holyfield, and if he had played last year I’d probably take him. But a right shoulder injury makes me nervous, especially when shooting is one of his calling cards. Precious isn’t perfect either. He’s not a great shooter and his feel for the game isn’t there yet, but he’s an elite athlete with the tools Self and co can mold into a really good player if Precious will take coaching. And I think he will. But there’s not a massive gap there.
I'd rather have De Sousa than I would Holyfield or Achiuwa. But if we don't get Silvio back for next season, I'd rather have one year of the senior who can shoot 3-pointers and play defense.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I'd rather have De Sousa than I would Holyfield or Achiuwa. But if we don't get Silvio back for next season, I'd rather have one year of the senior who can shoot 3-pointers and play defense.
Amen.
I reaaaaally want Silvio, but I don't trust the situation.
If KU lands Hampton and Achiuwa, KU's class goes from #31 to #4 on 247. With Juzang going to Kentucky they would have the #1 class.
Precious got another prediction for KU on rivals today.
From their Memphis writer. Interesting.
I’ll add I’m still skeptical of any Precious to Kansas talk as long as Silvio is still in limbo. I think they’re still recruiting him, but can’t see them doing what it takes to land him unless Silvio is gone.
Well Slater just put in his CB - saying that Boogie going to Memphis - -that has to help us I would think with RJ - -usually Slater picks are pretty solid. - -Slater - - Danlel's - - Meyer - and to a lesser degree - -Evans. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
You just have to think that a lot better days are in our future in this recruiting. - - Cory Evans off Rivals sure seems to think so. - Matt Tait followed up on it a bit more or less repeating what Cory had to say.
Cory said: - -that KU could win and would win the Spring Signing if things work out. - - He said that it seems safe between the two that Either TJ Holyfield or Rayjon Tucker would land in Lawrence. - -He also said that even Memphis remains the Team to beat for Precious , don't be surprised if he ends up playing for Coach Self. - something here to think about - -Cory changed his CB for Memphis to KU - but even better then that Evan Daniels Changed his CB pick from Memphis to - - -Undecided - - then some others also picking KU now for Precious
Then Cory said the X factor remains RJ Hampton - - - -saying that he feels that RJ will land in Lawrence -- saying IF that happens - -KU WILL win the Spring recruiting season. - -we shall see if these come about. -I think just soon things gonna start poppin - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
You just have to think that a lot better days are in our future in this recruiting. - - Cory Evans off Rivals sure seems to think so. - Matt Tait followed up on it a bit more or less repeating what Cory had to say.
Cory said: - -that KU could win and would win the Spring Signing if things work out. - - He said that it seems safe between the two that Either TJ Holyfield or Rayjon Tucker would land in Lawrence. - -He also said that even Memphis remains the Team to beat for Precious , don't be surprised if he ends up playing for Coach Self. - something here to think about - -Cory changed his CB for Memphis to KU - but even better then that Evan Daniels Changed his CB pick from Memphis to - - -Undecided - - then some others also picking KU now for Precious
Then Cory said the X factor remains RJ Hampton - - - -saying that he feels that RJ will land in Lawrence -- saying IF that happens - -KU WILL win the Spring recruiting season. - -we shall see if these come about. -I think just soon things gonna start poppin - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
One can only hope....
Memphis lands 4* SG Lester Quinones.
Well just me , but with Memphis getting the commit from Quinones as a 2 guard - - a shooting Guard and looking like Boogie gonna land there - think that reduces their chances for RJ - -I think quite possibly they realized they losing ground with RJ and shifted directions taking these guys - -hope that's the case -- sounds like that's the case. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well -- what does anyone make out of this if anything? - -Tweet 4 hours ago from Rayjon Tucker. - - tweeted More blessings and opportunity - -then it has a picture of a Boston Celtics basketball court and the Celtics Mascot - I hope it's not what I think - he might be deciding
@jayballer73 nah, just opportunities to show himself w/each invite
Juzang to Kentucky as expected.
jayballer73 said:
Well -- what does anyone make out of this if anything? - -Tweet 4 hours ago from Rayjon Tucker. - - tweeted More blessings and opportunity - -then it has a picture of a Boston Celtics basketball court and the Celtics Mascot - I hope it's not what I think - he might be deciding
I’d be stunned if he stayed in the draft. He’s like a fringy top 100 guy right now because he’s a borderline SF in the NBA. More of a 4.
jayballer73 said:
Well -- what does anyone make out of this if anything? - -Tweet 4 hours ago from Rayjon Tucker. - - tweeted More blessings and opportunity - -then it has a picture of a Boston Celtics basketball court and the Celtics Mascot - I hope it's not what I think - he might be deciding
Maybe it’s about Paul Pierce. Who knows it could be a hint. It could also mean I’m completely over thinking it also
Precious will not wait on Silvio. This one seems over. My 2 cents minus a cent.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious will not wait on Silvio. This one seems over. My 2 cents minus a cent.
It has been over
@JAYHAWKFAN214 he's coming here?
Memphis
I would have a hard time with a dude on our roster named Precious. If any kid needed a nickname, or a new name, he’s the one. Quite clear that a man didn’t participate in the naming decision.
That’s his parents thing. It’s common to have unusual names (for us) in Nigeria. His brother’s name is God’s Gift.
Just like the guy named Goodnews that left kstate.
And there was a guy named Goodluck fairly recently. I don’t remember where he played.
I expect KU to lean a bit on Kyree Walker now.
@FarmerJayhawk He's still 2020, right?
@KirkIsMyHinrich as of now, yes.
Is he likely to reclassify?
@KirkIsMyHinrich i think so. He’s plenty old enough.
I see. Thanks.
I don’t see how they fill the 13 allotted scholarships now after missing on both Tucker and Holyfield. Might have a hard time getting to even 12.
Agreed. Dotson is probably back, which gives us 9. Yeah I think 11 at most.
Woodrow said:
I don’t see how they fill the 13 allotted scholarships now after missing on both Tucker and Holyfield. Might have a hard time getting to even 12.
Well, KU didn't really go after Holyfield much. Tucker on the other hand is a clear miss.
@FarmerJayhawk I like Kyree Walker a lot. That would save the class to be sure.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I expect KU to lean a bit on Kyree Walker now.
Man I hope so -- Dam I hope so - - now Farmer - don't go and get my heart racing lol. - -1st we got to get him to re-classify , he still pondering on it - we have been pretty good with him - - BUT these are kids again we are talking about you know? - - this is the kid that they say is a positionless player - -love him cause he has edge to him - -a little cockiness to him - -I like that- - if you can ball to back it up - -then get some bad boy - -you get yours - -Serious hops - - plazy some pt - - got the J - seen my 1ast video of him the other day - - bout all I can say is - - WOW - brings a lot to the table - -now see what you did -- got me all worked up again lol - - but your Right - -Kyree - -come on buddy - -come play with " the boys " - bring it with you bad boy - - your right hope we lean on him hard. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@FarmerJayhawk He's still 2020, right?
Right now he is - -but seriously talking about re-classifying - - lots of smoke. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
FarmerJayhawk said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich i think so. He’s plenty old enough.
Thinking though that he had said he was just focusing on the AAU circuit right now and wouldn't really sit down and think about it to much until after circuit was over - -isn't that what he said, swore I read that some where on him - -NOW we really need to get after him hard -- We'vew been on him for some time..
Before this Tucker BS - I was hoping Tucker land here - -we could try and keep Kyree in 2020 and then we could just slide him into the point in 2020 if and when RJ leaves - -but things have changed
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
I don’t see how they fill the 13 allotted scholarships now after missing on both Tucker and Holyfield. Might have a hard time getting to even 12.
Well, KU didn't really go after Holyfield much. Tucker on the other hand is a clear miss.
@FarmerJayhawk I like Kyree Walker a lot. That would save the class to be sure.
that makes 2 of us
Well , Well - -more interesting news - - - -things that make you go Whaaaaaaaaa? - Just saw where Andrew Slater put in his CB pick for Boogie Ellis - he picked him to commit to Oregon > - - - whaaaa? - - slater usually pretty solid, man I hope things don't start shifting that way - all that would do would be to ad fire for the RJ to Memphis - -be just our ficken luck
I'm tellin ya - -for a team that has some many Scholi's they can offer - a lot of playing time available - -we are sure sucking buttermilk right now -- I'm not feeling it -- what the hell? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
And Evan put one in for Memphis. What a deal
@FarmerJayhawk for who??
@FarmerJayhawk
Nice. So you can see the VIP picks? Someone said we reached out to him. Is that true?
FarmerJayhawk said:
And Evan put one in for Memphis. What a deal
for Boogie?
rockchalkwyo said:
@FarmerJayhawk
Nice. So you can see the VIP picks? Someone said we reached out to him. Is that true?
We did but nothing came of it is likely hes gonna land at Memphis
rockchalkwyo said:
@FarmerJayhawk
Nice. So you can see the VIP picks? Someone said we reached out to him. Is that true?
I can! I’m an Inside Carolina member, mostly for their football coverage. We did, he wasn’t interested.
Well good news just keeps rolling in , read an article from a couple days a go that I received through my E-mail that Kentucky has made up ground in the last couple of weeks for RJ Hampton.
Says that it has been widely precepted that it was down to a two team race between KU and Memphis but the last 2 weeks Kentucky had been gaining ground according to Corey Evans from Rivals. - Right now Ku is leading for RJ at 62%.
It just keeps getting better and better and better holy crap - says Kentucky has gotten RJ interest- looks like a perfect ending to way to many misses - we know if Kentucky goes after a kid they want 9-10 they will end up getting that kid and make it work just like Duke. - - Thought we were good with him against Kentucky because of their crowded backcourt but NOW who the hell knows. -- Dam
Lol
@jayballer73 It appears he is trying to drive his price up. Who knows...maybe it pays better to sit on the bench at Tucky than it does to start at KU.
Kentucky already has three 5* pgs. Not happening.
@BShark I think you make a real good point. Logically speaking, why would a 5 star point guard go to a university if there were already two 5 star point guards signed? If you had 50+ offers to truly run the entire show ( a little bit like Trae Young ) at practically any place you wanted to go, why would 3 5-star pgs sign to play on the same team? My answer is everyone of these kids are getting paid big bucks to play small amounts. Why would Rayjon Tucker choose Memphis, where he is sharing the limelight with a boatload of top 10 recruits...over a starring role with KU? The whole sport is corrupt...rotten to the core.
KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 It appears he is trying to drive his price up. Who knows...maybe it pays better to sit on the bench at Tucky than it does to start at KU.
I still have serious doubts about him to Kentucky - - but you still can't ignore things - the way our year has played out - - -at this point anything is possible in this recruiting year. - - Hell just look at how confident people were thinking about Tucker - -and then BAM the huge kick to the nads - - for Memphis - - Memphis - hadn't been hearing squat about them in his recruitment. - It was all aboutm KU and Auburn - - MEMPHIS for Christ sakes
I would be genuinely stunned if he goes to UK. Memphis, KU and overseas pro league are all more likely.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark I think you make a real good point. Logically speaking, why would a 5 star point guard go to a university if there were already two 5 star point guards signed? If you had 50+ offers to truly run the entire show ( a little bit like Trae Young ) at practically any place you wanted to go, why would 3 5-star pgs sign to play on the same team? My answer is everyone of these kids are getting paid big bucks to play small amounts. Why would Rayjon Tucker choose Memphis, where he is sharing the limelight with a boatload of top 10 recruits...over a starring role with KU? The whole sport is corrupt...rotten to the core.
exactly - -and some how -- some way Ol crap for brains manages to persuade these kids to come whether they loaded or not -- it's Kentucky
BTW, Happy Mother's Day to all you muthas... I'm going to suck up all day today. Heck, I'm even considering allowing her to touch the remote control on the big tv today ...
KUSTEVE said:
BTW, Happy Mother's Day to all you muthas... I'm going to suck up all day today. Heck, I'm even considering allowing her to touch the remote control on the big tv today ...
Hell Ya - - -I knew there was a reason I like you - - -gotta give you some MAJOR/ATTA BOYS - -lol
KUSTEVE said:
BTW, Happy Mother's Day to all you muthas... I'm going to suck up all day today. Heck, I'm even considering allowing her to touch the remote control on the big tv today ...
Yeah, I'm fixing to go spend the day with my little mom.... Aww....
That we will sign more guys this year there is no doubt, which at this point is too obviously occurring after the other blue bloods and Memphis (Penny had better hope that he stays shiney) have gorged themselves and are full. To be honest (silver linings playbook) that might be a good thing, allow us to once again add depth.
Precious announcing this weekend for Memphis.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious announcing this weekend for Memphis.
Memphis was super serious about this class. Will be interested to see how it pans out.
Boogie Ellis committed to Memphis tonight
@FarmerJayhawk What about Blackshear?
Evan put in a pick for Jalen Wilson to KU 👀👀👀
Blackshear won’t look at colleges until he determines whether he’s going to stay in the draft or not.
Or a guy we recruited a year or two back...Shakur?????
@FarmerJayhawk getting Jalen would be huge
KUSTEVE said:
Or a guy we recruited a year or two back...Shakur?????
That would be amazing. Something odd is happening there. Either health or academics.
@FarmerJayhawk Ok... what about Jaevin Cumberland? 17.2 ppg...scored 13 against Sparty. Scored 14 against Georgia. Shot 39.9 from 3/ 47.8 from 2 ...had 2 to 1 asst to t.o. ratio, and shot 85% from the free throw line. Made 109 3 pointers last year...
Time to realize we aren’t finding a starter at guard unless RJ ends up coming. Just going to need Garrett and Ochai to step up.
Kcmatt7 said:
Time to realize we aren’t finding a starter at guard unless RJ ends up coming. Just going to need Garrett and Ochai to step up.
This is where I’m at. We can add depth but R.J. is the only impact guy left out there.
I like Cumberland because he had 15 games where he hit at least 4 3 pointers, and 14 games where he had at least 4 assists. He averaged 1.1 steals a game to boot. He averaged 17 ppg on 12.3 spg, so it's not like he was shooting 25 shots a game. If there's a minute left in the game, I want our opponents fouling this guy instead of Marcus.
@BeddieKU23 He is eligible. He is ranked one spot higher than Isaiah Moss:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26530279/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2019-20-2020-21 ↗ ↗
Have there been rumors about Cumberland to KU?
Corey Evans still thinks we land both Hampton and Precious.
I’d rather get Wilson than precious
But apparently we can’t be too choosy rn
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan put in a pick for Jalen Wilson to KU 👀👀👀
Blackshear won’t look at colleges until he determines whether he’s going to stay in the draft or not.
just saw the pick by Evan Famer - - - on the 247 - now those CB's show that Jalen is at 94% to Michigan for Jalen - -BUT that was all in account BEFORE Berlin resigned to go to Cleveland though right - -so I think that all totally changes - -like new ball game right?
Kcmatt7 said:
I’d rather get Wilson than precious
Room for both! It’ll be a massive feeding frenzy if he asks for his release.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan put in a pick for Jalen Wilson to KU 👀👀👀
Blackshear won’t look at colleges until he determines whether he’s going to stay in the draft or not.
Has he even decommitted yet?
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Evan put in a pick for Jalen Wilson to KU 👀👀👀
Blackshear won’t look at colleges until he determines whether he’s going to stay in the draft or not.
Has he even decommitted yet?
Negative, ghostrider.
A Memphis insider just put in a CB pick for Achiuwa to KU. Not sure what is going on here but it smells of manufactured/fake drama.
BShark said:
A Memphis insider just put in a CB pick for Achiuwa to KU. Not sure what is going on here but it smells of manufactured/fake drama.
No sir. This is legit.
Not saying it’s done. Because it’s not done to anywhere.
it may turn out getting interesting - Memphis insider - some one that is like some kind of so called analyst or a guy who follows recruits and talks with them or what?
jayballer73 said:
it may turn out getting interesting - Memphis insider - some one that is like some kind of so called analyst or a guy who follows recruits and talks with them or what?
Brooks over at the Memphis site is among the best connected out there. He’s since switched back to Memphis.
But all I’ve gathered says it’s KU or Memphis and nobody has a great feel for how it will end up.
Bossi thinks R.J. is likely to KU, doesn’t have a feel for KU or Memphis for Precious. All the info is in that direction. Too early to say on Jalen Wilson.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Bossi thinks R.J. is likely to KU,
I want to beeeelieve.
approxinfinity said:
So what does people think? -I dunno as for me - - my first take on Wilson after reading this article - - I just kind of think he probably rides this out and more likely then not sticks with Michigan - that would be my 1st take - -yet things can change , we will see.
Now as far as Precious - -this is wild up -- down - -up - - down - -possibly - - no way - - possibly - - no way - it would be sweet though. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
approxinfinity said:
So what does people think? -I dunno as for me - - my first take on Wilson after reading this article - - I just kind of think he probably rides this out and more likely then not sticks with Michigan - that would be my 1st take - -yet things can change , we will see.
Now as far as Precious - -this is wild up -- down - -up - - down - -possibly - - no way - - possibly - - no way - it would be sweet though. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It all depends on what direction Michigan goes with the coaching staff.
There were some comments int he article where he said that he liked how Beilein didn't try to change the player that he is. Hopefully who he is is exactly what we need and we make that case convincingly.
approxinfinity said:
There were some comments int he article where he said that he liked how Beilein didn't try to change the player that he is. Hopefully who he is is exactly what we need and we make that case convincingly.
have to have him ask for his release before anything - that could very well not even happen
approxinfinity said:
There were some comments int he article where he said that he liked how Beilein didn't try to change the player that he is. Hopefully who he is is exactly what we need and we make that case convincingly.
Hopefully he asks out of his LOI soon and at least takes visits.
Kcmatt7 said:
approxinfinity said:
There were some comments int he article where he said that he liked how Beilein didn't try to change the player that he is. Hopefully who he is is exactly what we need and we make that case convincingly.
Hopefully he asks out of his LOI soon and at least takes visits.
tx guy on the Phog with RJ info had some stuff to share about Jalen. Basically though he was SHOCKED by this happening and is still trying to process it. He was all set to move to Ann Arbor soon and start summer classes.
@approxinfinity Doesn't he like to play 25 feet out?
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
approxinfinity said:
There were some comments int he article where he said that he liked how Beilein didn't try to change the player that he is. Hopefully who he is is exactly what we need and we make that case convincingly.
Hopefully he asks out of his LOI soon and at least takes visits.
tx guy on the Phog with RJ info had some stuff to share about Jalen. Basically though he was SHOCKED by this happening and is still trying to process it. He was all set to move to Ann Arbor soon and start summer classes.
I'd imagine. Honestly, it feels like a pretty shitty thing for Beilein to do this late. Screws over players and his staff pretty hard.
I think it's pretty hard to do everything right leaving a high profile school. Always had a lot of respect for Beilein. Maybe he's a private guy and didn't want to disrupt anyone, and didn't think it was going to happen. I give him the benefit of the doubt here. And also, a free pass for a midlife changeup.
It was a weird decision. He must've been disgusted by the recruiting payola. The way he exited wasn't good, but I've seen worse. Like Chris Beard walking out on UNLV three weeks into the job.
Has it been mentioned here that RJ and Jalen are best friends?
KU was one of his 6 schools he was considering before he committed to Michigan.
I always felt Wilson was one that got away. Had a sort of Tyler Davis feel to it in a way.
It sounds like whoever they hire will be the only thing that matters. If they wait out the hire we're probably getting excited about nothin burgers.
BeddieKU23 said:
Has it been mentioned here that RJ and Jalen are best friends?
KU was one of his 6 schools he was considering before he committed to Michigan.
I always felt Wilson was one that got away. Had a sort of Tyler Davis feel to it in a way.
It sounds like whoever they hire will be the only thing that matters. If they wait out the hire we're probably getting excited about nothin burgers.
If they are smart Yaklich will be retained on the staff.
approxinfinity said:
I think it's pretty hard to do everything right leaving a high profile school. Always had a lot of respect for Beilein. Maybe he's a private guy and didn't want to disrupt anyone, and didn't think it was going to happen. I give him the benefit of the doubt here. And also, a free pass for a midlife changeup.
Doing this in Mid-May is a pretty crappy thing to do, regardless of whether or not you're typically a nice guy.
Screws over current players. Screws over recruits. Screws over the program and university that you spent 12 years at. Screws over assistant coaches.
His only responsibility is to himself, but I'd sure feel like a real asshole doing this the way he did it and especially in the time frame that it happened.
BeddieKU23 said:
Has it been mentioned here that RJ and Jalen are best friends?
KU was one of his 6 schools he was considering before he committed to Michigan.
I always felt Wilson was one that got away. Had a sort of Tyler Davis feel to it in a way.
It sounds like whoever they hire will be the only thing that matters. If they wait out the hire we're probably getting excited about nothin burgers.
Crimson posted a video of them last night
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Has it been mentioned here that RJ and Jalen are best friends?
KU was one of his 6 schools he was considering before he committed to Michigan.
I always felt Wilson was one that got away. Had a sort of Tyler Davis feel to it in a way.
It sounds like whoever they hire will be the only thing that matters. If they wait out the hire we're probably getting excited about nothin burgers.
If they are smart Yaklich will be retained on the staff.
Can we trade for him??
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Has it been mentioned here that RJ and Jalen are best friends?
KU was one of his 6 schools he was considering before he committed to Michigan.
I always felt Wilson was one that got away. Had a sort of Tyler Davis feel to it in a way.
It sounds like whoever they hire will be the only thing that matters. If they wait out the hire we're probably getting excited about nothin burgers.
Crimson posted a video of them last night
Looks like I missed it!
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Has it been mentioned here that RJ and Jalen are best friends?
KU was one of his 6 schools he was considering before he committed to Michigan.
I always felt Wilson was one that got away. Had a sort of Tyler Davis feel to it in a way.
It sounds like whoever they hire will be the only thing that matters. If they wait out the hire we're probably getting excited about nothin burgers.
If they are smart Yaklich will be retained on the staff.
Bielein should take him to Cleveland
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Has it been mentioned here that RJ and Jalen are best friends?
KU was one of his 6 schools he was considering before he committed to Michigan.
I always felt Wilson was one that got away. Had a sort of Tyler Davis feel to it in a way.
It sounds like whoever they hire will be the only thing that matters. If they wait out the hire we're probably getting excited about nothin burgers.
If they are smart Yaklich will be retained on the staff.
Bielein should take him to Cleveland
I read this was a very real possibility.
@BeddieKU23 under RJ Hampton, nice Porsche in the garage
Thats fake news
Kcmatt7 said:
approxinfinity said:
I think it's pretty hard to do everything right leaving a high profile school. Always had a lot of respect for Beilein. Maybe he's a private guy and didn't want to disrupt anyone, and didn't think it was going to happen. I give him the benefit of the doubt here. And also, a free pass for a midlife changeup.
Doing this in Mid-May is a pretty crappy thing to do, regardless of whether or not you're typically a nice guy.
Screws over current players. Screws over recruits. Screws over the program and university that you spent 12 years at. Screws over assistant coaches.
His only responsibility is to himself, but I'd sure feel like a real asshole doing this the way he did it and especially in the time frame that it happened.
totally agree 100% - gave no thought to players or staff seems pretty crappy. - -just walking out on everybody. - -HA different sport but along time ago - -this would be like the pro football franchise that moved out of the City they played in - -in the middle of the night like trying to get out of town with no one knowing - just leaving the City in like What the hell.
Just there was ALOT of ways he could of shown a little more class - instead twitter - seems pretty sad
Sorry....fake news on Twitter...whodathunkit?
Fwiw, Evan Daniels interview on CBS says he has been texting Wilson directly. The interview was from yesterday morning, but knowing that he has some direct contact makes me feel pretty good about him changing his pick last night...
Kcmatt7 said:
Fwiw, Evan Daniels interview on CBS says he has been texting Wilson directly. The interview was from yesterday morning, but knowing that he has some direct contact makes me feel pretty good about him changing his pick last night...
true and Wilson said when ask by Daniels - - - Man I'm thinking, - -so maybe little luck he ask for release and I guess him and Hampton suppose to be pretty good friends. - - We would for sure have minutes for him - -this is starting again to look kind of interesting in this recruitment year.
On a side note has anyone heard anything about how the kid ( Moss ) ? - how his visit went - anything? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Did some searching on the Michigan board -- seems like their fans too seem to believe that Wilson will ask for his release and come commit to Ku - -the main reason is because of him and RJ being best friends - -thing is we got to get RJ to come here 1st lol - -which I think is looking better,
Bossi mentioned he thought Wilson was under rated at 50 - in the National rankings - said he has a really good shot - says he thought he ought to be `10-15 spots higher
Hopefully it will all be over this weekend with RJ. He is literally make or break for next years team. Precious and Watford are for sure announcing this weekend so that will be all of the top 50 recruits except for Jaden McDaniels.
Although, you have to think Michigan is going to get a high major coach so there still could be more de commits pending who they hire.
Bossi put in a KU pick for RJ on Rivals...
hail@umgobluehail 4h
Jalen Wilson took Michigan out of his bio hee gone
Chris Beard the Vegas favorite for the job...
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
hail@umgobluehail 4h
Jalen Wilson took Michigan out of his bio hee gone
Hmmmm , thinking there is anything to this? -- ya think he is going to ask for his release?
I know on their board they wee saying they was thinking within the week he would ask for his release , and that now days in general it's just better for the school if they grant the release - cause if not it's just a bad look on the school. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I feel like you'd have to be stupid to hire Pitino, but he's second favorite at the moment.
jayballer73 said:
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
hail@umgobluehail 4h
Jalen Wilson took Michigan out of his bio hee goneHmmmm , thinking there is anything to this? -- ya think he is going to ask for his release?
I know on their board they wee saying they was thinking within the week he would ask for his release , and that now days in general it's just better for the school if they grant the release - cause if not it's just a bad look on the school. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think he will ask for his release
BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@Woodrow I looked up Precious stats, and he had 23 turnovers in 8 games. He shot 22% from 3. It appears he would definitely be a project.
I want no part of him and I will die on this hill. Projects that only stay one year are pointless.
He's better than anyone we have on the roster now at the 4 spot.
@FarmerJayhawk I still think he would be the kind of signing that would under perform a negative used against Self in recruiting.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I still think he would be the kind of signing that would under perform a negative used against Self in recruiting.
He may, but he’s better than trotting out Marcus at the 4 and having Mitch as the backup 4 (assuming no Silvio, which if we have him it’s all moot anyway)
lol
So lets play what if. - -What if both wanted to come to and commit to KU now - we had the choice on who to take - - -Precious - - OR Jalen - - who would you take and why? - - both listed as SF - -Precious at like # 13-14 - - -Jalen # 50 - -who you take? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Jalen
jayballer73 said:
So lets play what if. - -What if both wanted to come to and commit to KU now - we had the choice on who to take - - -Precious - - OR Jalen - - who would you take and why? - - both listed as SF - -Precious at like # 13-14 - - -Jalen # 50 - -who you take? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Jalen comes without baggage and ego.
We don't have to worry though Precious is done to Memphis
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
So lets play what if. - -What if both wanted to come to and commit to KU now - we had the choice on who to take - - -Precious - - OR Jalen - - who would you take and why? - - both listed as SF - -Precious at like # 13-14 - - -Jalen # 50 - -who you take? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Jalen comes without baggage and ego.
We don't have to worry though Precious is done to Memphis
did he say something to that effect? - -I would rather have Jalen to if that came into play - - better by far shooter - Precious bigger body but raw
Well just checked. - - Saw where Dylan Prezkop just put in his CB for RJ to KU predicting RJ coming to KU - -takes us up to 75 % - -HELL YA - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
KUSTEVE said:
@Woodrow I looked up Precious stats, and he had 23 turnovers in 8 games. He shot 22% from 3. It appears he would definitely be a project.
I want no part of him and I will die on this hill. Projects that only stay one year are pointless.
Completely agree .. strong belief we should pass. But options are few.
@jayballer73 Jalen, and it's not close. I told a Memphis fan I hope they hadn't run out of money, and could take Precious off our hands...
KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 Jalen, and it's not close. I told a Memphis fan I hope they hadn't run out of money, and could take Precious off our hands...
I'm quite sure that Penny still has a few bucks laying around. A few that would be very hard to trace if one or two happened to fall into a player's hands.
Well maybe not so fast/easy of a decision for us to make. that's IF there is an option to be made.
Was checking out the Michigan boards and there was a guy I think he is one of their insiders guy just like we have us who try and keep us up to date with their players/recruiting and such
Guy named Eathen Sears and this was Yesterday he said: Just got off the phone with Jalen , and Jalen has said that multiple Michigan assistants have reached out to him - - -Jalen said he is still committed to Michigan and that Jalen ha
d also talked to Cole Bajema who also is still committed to Michigan
I'm just not really that sure about Jalen asking for his release. - - Also seen this today off the board. - -Jalen has said he is going to wait to see who Michigan hires before he makes a decision & see what the new Coach's sales pitch is.
Some people had said he had removed all his Michigan stuf off twitter, but was noted on the Michigan board that he was still following several Michigan players and such - - - I am not really expecting him coming - I think he stays put. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So Adam Zagoria just tweeted that his prediction for Precious was KU. He only tweets out predictions days before the announcements and is hardly ever wrong. I am still not sold we get him, but I was surprised by this.
However, just saw Evan Daniels put in his CB pick for Memphis for Precious this morning.
Woodrow said:
So Adam Zagoria just tweeted that his prediction for Precious was KU. He only tweets out predictions days before the announcements and is hardly ever wrong. I am still not sold we get him, but I was surprised by this.
Not sure we get him either but there is definitely something going on here. Made a push or something...
Woodrow said:
However, just saw Evan Daniels put in his CB pick for Memphis for Precious this morning.
Playa is rarely wrong as well. I think it's Memphis, but we will see.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
So Adam Zagoria just tweeted that his prediction for Precious was KU. He only tweets out predictions days before the announcements and is hardly ever wrong. I am still not sold we get him, but I was surprised by this.
Not sure we get him either but there is definitely something going on here. Made a push or something...
Woodrow said:
However, just saw Evan Daniels put in his CB pick for Memphis for Precious this morning.
Playa is rarely wrong as well. I think it's Memphis, but we will see.
IT WILL BE MEMPHIS IT ALL WAY HAS BEEN
Why arent we trying to sign Apollo Jackson or Poseidon Williams? It seems, at this point, that we could sure use them. Signing any player, even a mythological one, is better than none at all. "Hey, when are we going to see Apollo Jackson in action?," the broadcaster asks. "I notice you're starting a walk-on instead."
"....Err,, well,,, Apollo's visiting family in another country right now.... Don't worry, though, you will eventually see him."
On a serious note, and as I have stated, I believe that Achiuwa and Hampton are a package deal and that they both are going to sign with KU.
Woodrow said:
So Adam Zagoria just tweeted that his prediction for Precious was KU. He only tweets out predictions days before the announcements and is hardly ever wrong. I am still not sold we get him, but I was surprised by this.
supposedly Chris Fisher the Kentucky guy put his CB in on Precious last night and it was for KU. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Woodrow said:
So Adam Zagoria just tweeted that his prediction for Precious was KU. He only tweets out predictions days before the announcements and is hardly ever wrong. I am still not sold we get him, but I was surprised by this.
supposedly Chris Fisher the Kentucky guy put his CB in on Precious last night and it was for KU. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fisher's only plugged into Kentucky recruits. There are reasons a lot of programs stayed clear of him. Not KU though, the messier the player the better
Marco said:
Why arent we trying to sign Apollo Jackson or Poseidon Williams? It seems, at this point, that we could sure use them. Signing any player, even a mythological one, is better than none at all. "Hey, when are we going to see Apollo Jackson in action?," the broadcaster asks. "I notice you're starting a walk-on instead."
"....Err,, well,,, Apollo's visiting family in another country right now.... Don't worry, though, you'll eventually see him."
I got a hot tip on a under recruited kid - -this guys is an animal - -Stands 6"11 - - 245 lbs - - PF - -out of it's been done Florida , name of Zeus , it's happening - -think we got a great shot at THIS mythological - - GREAT mythological player goes to a School that's un-defeated - think the School's name is Nike ( give me the money ) - - LMAO - -Hey you said even a Mythological - -here he is - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Well NOW it's Offical - - Offical. -- Quentin Grimes will NOT be back for the upcoming season.
Just read where Quentin stated last night saying that he had sign a 3 yr - - - 158 Million deal with the Barber Shop Quartet - - making him their highest paid player in their History. - -Who ever the hell they are lol - -Well good Luck Quentin you got some money. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Why arent we trying to sign Apollo Jackson or Poseidon Williams? It seems, at this point, that we could sure use them. Signing any player, even a mythological one, is better than none at all. "Hey, when are we going to see Apollo Jackson in action?," the broadcaster asks. "I notice you're starting a walk-on instead."
"....Err,, well,,, Apollo's visiting family in another country right now.... Don't worry, though, you'll eventually see him."I got a hot tip on a under recruited kid - -this guys is an animal - -Stands 6"11 - - 245 lbs - - PF - -out of it's been done Florida , name of Zeus , it's happening - -think we got a great shot at THIS mythological - - GREAT mythological player goes to a School that's un-defeated - think the School's name is Nike ( give me the money ) - - LMAO - -Hey you said even a Mythological - -here he is - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So, you're calling it, huh? That's good news, indeed. If we can sign Zeus and then maybe throw in a little extra cash we might also stand a puncher's chance at getting Apollo and Poseidon. It's worth a shot....
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Why arent we trying to sign Apollo Jackson or Poseidon Williams? It seems, at this point, that we could sure use them. Signing any player, even a mythological one, is better than none at all. "Hey, when are we going to see Apollo Jackson in action?," the broadcaster asks. "I notice you're starting a walk-on instead."
"....Err,, well,,, Apollo's visiting family in another country right now.... Don't worry, though, you'll eventually see him."I got a hot tip on a under recruited kid - -this guys is an animal - -Stands 6"11 - - 245 lbs - - PF - -out of it's been done Florida , name of Zeus , it's happening - -think we got a great shot at THIS mythological - - GREAT mythological player goes to a School that's un-defeated - think the School's name is Nike ( give me the money ) - - LMAO - -Hey you said even a Mythological - -here he is - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Another guy to keep an eye on is Thor Jordan, nephew to Adonis who was a helluva player at KU.
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Why arent we trying to sign Apollo Jackson or Poseidon Williams? It seems, at this point, that we could sure use them. Signing any player, even a mythological one, is better than none at all. "Hey, when are we going to see Apollo Jackson in action?," the broadcaster asks. "I notice you're starting a walk-on instead."
"....Err,, well,,, Apollo's visiting family in another country right now.... Don't worry, though, you'll eventually see him."I got a hot tip on a under recruited kid - -this guys is an animal - -Stands 6"11 - - 245 lbs - - PF - -out of it's been done Florida , name of Zeus , it's happening - -think we got a great shot at THIS mythological - - GREAT mythological player goes to a School that's un-defeated - think the School's name is Nike ( give me the money ) - - LMAO - -Hey you said even a Mythological - -here he is - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So, you're calling it, huh? That's good news, indeed. If we can sign Zeus and then maybe throw in a little extra cash we might also stand a puncher's chance at getting Apollo and Poseidon. It's worth a shot....
Hell lets give a holler to Gatto - I'm sure he can help us out lol
Guys help me out. - I'm really confused - -I know - - I know I'm confused a lot of the time but - -Still , everywhere I look - -everything I'm reading is or sounds like that Kyree has already made the decision or already has re-classified.
Read a guy asking about when was Kyree's announcement date? - making it sound like he has already re-classified - did I miss the boat on this? - For sure I want this guy BAD - I've wanted him for awhile but the last I knew Kyree had said he wasn't even concentrating on re-classifying at the present - did something change? and I missed it? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 He has not reclassified.
Woodrow said:
@jayballer73 He has not reclassified.
So what's all this Hub-Bub about then? - -did he say he was going to have an announcement about re-classifying or not?
I haven't seen anything regarding Walker's recruitment other than KU and Arkansas were the perceived leaders a few weeks ago.
From Cory Evans today on Rivals
Achiuwa will choose between Kansas, Memphis and North Carolina on Saturday, though Syracuse has gained whispers of late. There is no clear front-runner, though the Jayhawks appear to have the most momentum but the latest talk surrounds Memphis. Kansas could add him alongside Udoka Azubuike and potentially five-star R.J. Hampton, and Bill Self would have another national contending bunch. Memphis could mix and match him with James Wiseman, D.J. Jeffries and Rayjon Tucker. The Tar Heels might need him the most with their hole at combo forward.
He's going to Memphis
I agree. Just figured I’d share. That’s it
“Memphis could mix and match him with James Wiseman, D.J. Jeffries and Rayjon Tucker.“
How many minutes are available? 🤔
Just looked at Achiuwa’s Twitter bio. It ends with “WHATIF”. His only post with that hashtag is for Memphis. Is he letting us know early?
Jalen Wilson is officially reopening his recruitment.
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson is officially reopening his recruitment.
Excellent.
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson is officially reopening his recruitment.
This could be over pretty quick.
Don’t care much about Precious but want the Wilson/Hampton combo bad.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson is officially reopening his recruitment.
This could be over pretty quick.
Meyer is calling for it on 247
Wow. This doesn't suck, one bit. Full Court Press. Send everyone
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson is officially reopening his recruitment.
Excellent.
Cartwheels good!
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson is officially reopening his recruitment.
Hell ya - - it was saying on the Michigan board he was going to wait/ -guess he still could still stay there though - -BUT - - - -let's do this - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow. This doesn't suck, one bit. Full Court Press. Send everyone
INEED my friend - - lock it down
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow. This doesn't suck, one bit. Full Court Press. Send everyone
I'd be shocked if the staff wasn't already in contact.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow. This doesn't suck, one bit. Full Court Press. Send everyone
I'd be shocked if the staff wasn't already in contact.
Me too. I remember us chatting about Wilson last spring and how he would be an ideal wing in this class. Then poof he just pulled the rug from his recruitment before AAU season even began. To have a chance at him again is something they cannot miss on
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow. This doesn't suck, one bit. Full Court Press. Send everyone
I'd be shocked if the staff wasn't already in contact.
wouldn't have any problem with minutes. - - guess he talked to mom and dad and agreed open it up. - -Although Mama and Daddy huge Michigan supporters
Wilson says he is going to talk to Florida - -- North Carolina - - -Oklahoma State - -Michigan - -& KU.
Wants to start scheduling Visits soon. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow. This doesn't suck, one bit. Full Court Press. Send everyone
I'd be shocked if the staff wasn't already in contact.
UM hasn’t officially released him yet. It’ll happen though.
Nice to know Jalen is already going to consider KU.. This should be a no brainer
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow. This doesn't suck, one bit. Full Court Press. Send everyone
I'd be shocked if the staff wasn't already in contact.
UM hasn’t officially released him yet. It’ll happen though.
I guess off their board they were saying that Jalen stated that Florida was the one that had been hitting him hard since Coach got fired - - Can they do that until he is release from his LOI
@jayballer73 It's against NCAA rules to recruit a signed player. Not saying it doesn't happen cough Memphis/Boogie cough but it's a violation.
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 It's against NCAA rules to recruit a signed player. Not saying it doesn't happen cough Memphis/Boogie cough but it's a violation.
well thanks for that guy. - - -That's what I THOUGHT -- can't approach him till he has been released from his LOI - -but yet he stated Florida had been hitting him the hardest since talking about leaving
Well then.
Can someone do a translation/summary of all these latest developments?
After Beilein left for Cleveland, Jalen Wilson (top 50 kid) is asking for his release and should have it very soon. He's considering KU, UNC, UF, and Okie Lite now. He and RJ are bff's, and apparently will hang out soon. Probably to discuss playing at Kansas.
And Wilson would be preferred over all the other options out there currently being pursued i gather. (minus RJ obviously)
Slater still beating the China drum with RJ. :/
Damn. Andrew Slater seems pretty confident that Hampton is going to China.
I think he's the most likely option anyway. Precious seems Memphis bound.
Wouldn't count on that, and I still think KU is right there for RJ.
Brandon Jennings went to Europe and basically said not to do it. I still am not sold on it happening without some record breaking $2M deal.
BShark said:
Slater still beating the China drum with RJ. :/
Yikes. Me Chinese, me play joke?
I can't imagine wanting to play in China.
Slater's wink adds an element of mystery to the tweet though.
FWIW RJ's dad is saying overseas is not an option. I believe that as much as I believe the sky is orange.
Decision in early June.
@FarmerJayhawk So you think he ends up playing pro ball next year? Any idea when first Summer school session starts?
Jesus, man, let's finish with this year's recruiting already - for real. The strangest, most whacked out signing period I've ever witnessed. No joke. Like, how many scholarships did Memphis have to give, 20? Lol.... It just never ends.
Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk So you think he ends up playing pro ball next year? Any idea when first Summer school session starts?
I think so. It's usually right after Memorial Day but KU might have changed up its calendar some since I was there.
FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW RJ's dad is saying overseas is not an option. I believe that as much as I believe the sky is orange.
his parents his dad has been saying that for a long time
Waiting is hard. Thank god for baseball.
So we are recruiting a player that could go to China. Great. We have officially hit rock bottom in recruiting
@BeddieKU23 MAINTAIN THE FAITH
Guys...
@jayballer73 Soooooo...we get RJ, and Jalen, and Grimes comes back. Okie dokie...
RJ/Grimes/Ochai/Jalen/Doke...I could dig that...
KUSTEVE said:
RJ/Grimes/Ochai/Jalen/Doke...I could dig that...
Ok you have my attention now. Wheres Dotson in this?
@KirkIsMyHinrich hopefully it's not the royals!🥴
@BeddieKU23 In Charlotte with Devonte...
I assume DD is gone.
KUSTEVE said:
I assume DD is gone.
He didnt hire an agent. He did his thing today but nothing he did was unexpected or better then normal from him
@Crimsonorblue22 I would so love for him to come back.
@Crimsonorblue22 Rockies
I heard a rumor that Christian Braun who was listed at six foot five has now shot up to six foot nine can anyone confirm whether or not this is true
Well we must of picked up another CB from someone -for Wilson as I see we have now went from 0% - to 18 % - -And also see that Jerry Meyer Has picked Wilson to come to KU. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
ReggieKansas said:
I heard a rumor that Christian Braun who was listed at six foot five has now shot up to six foot nine can anyone confirm whether or not this is true
He’s about 6’8 right now.
@FarmerJayhawk wow!!!! Any evidence of it any where ? If hes 6'8 now that moves him to the 3
ReggieKansas said:
@FarmerJayhawk wow!!!! Any evidence of it any where ? If hes 6'8 now that moves him to the 3
Ryan Noel on the Phog (247) reported it.
Coach Howard is Jalen's most recent Instagram follow...
Precious is announcing today.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious is announcing today.
thought it was going to be this weekend - -I think we all know he is announcing Memphis. - -Wilson would be huge, - Don't get me wrong myself I would have a fit if Precious did want to come - -it's just I think Wilson a better fit.
The reason one of them anyways I think precious is announcing Memphis - -there had been speculation if Silvio got cleared - Precious would come to KU , probably the same for Wilson - if wilson came - -Would be enough for Precious not to come.
Thing is if he was coming to KU why wouldn't he hold off on announcing until he found out what Silvio's decision was - - he is Memphis - BUT might surprise people they have said U Conn had been gaining some ground - -Maybe U Conn, At any rate have no ill feelings towards Precious -- good player - -just raw wish him nothing but the best - -where did you see were it said he was announcing today buddy? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Shaka Smarts name being tossed around as a possibility for the head Coaching job at Michigan - - they not happy lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 NO! We can not allow that! Shaka must stay put.
Lol , some people freaking over in the Phog because of Matt Scott's tweet. - Matt tweeted saying could be interesting. - So they wondering who it might be - -some saying may be RJ - -saying Precious is announcing this weekend. - - -I'll take Farmers response it's Precious - -they just freakin out trying to figure who it might be lol
FarmerJayhawk said:
Precious is announcing today.
Hallelujah that one is over finally
Evan Daniels reporting on Twitter that Precious committed to Memphis a little after 11 am today.
Gorilla72 said:
Evan Daniels reporting on Twitter that Precious committed to Memphis a little after 11 am today.
Finally dodged a nightmare for once
BeddieKU23 said:
Gorilla72 said:
Evan Daniels reporting on Twitter that Precious committed to Memphis a little after 11 am today.
Finally dodged a nightmare for once
Less than heartbroken about this one.
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Gorilla72 said:
Evan Daniels reporting on Twitter that Precious committed to Memphis a little after 11 am today.
Finally dodged a nightmare for once
Less than heartbroken about this one.
Great talent but everything else is a pass. I wonder what the price was for him in the end.
That Memphis squad seems like it has too many mouths to feed and a LOT of personality to deal with.
There is 0% chance Precious and Lester went there for free. My friend knows their former coach in NJ.
BeddieKU23 said:
There is 0% chance Precious and Lester went there for free. My friend knows their former coach in NJ.
Doesn't seem like Tucker was going anywhere for free either...
Kcmatt7 said:
That Memphis squad seems like it has too many mouths to feed and a LOT of personality to deal with.
not gonna be enough basketballs
BeddieKU23 said:
There is 0% chance Precious and Lester went there for free. My friend knows their former coach in NJ.
And KU wasn’t playing ball with Precious’s guy.
I guess I look at Precious a little different then some guys , to me it wouldn't of bothered me if Precious would of came here - - talented kid - yet it doesn't bother me that he didn't come here.
Now we focus on the slim possibility of Silvio being cleared- - -or us being able to land Jalen. - -we still have a void at that position - probably our biggest area right now that STILL needs filled. - however in the end run , I think things probably worked out best for both parties , KU as a program & for Precious , he wasn't going to come to KU just to sit the bench - -and with the possibility of us either possibly getting Silvio cleared or landing Jalen we get better all around athletes. - wish Precious nothing by the best in his future. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
All BS aside, I'm - at this point - just waiting for this recruiting cycle to be over. The hypocrisy of the system has never been more obvious, and while the recruiting scandal has definitely hurt Kansas the players are still lining up in droves to be paid and play elsewhere. Like I said once before, once you see him the first time it is so hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
Memphis will have the best team to ever win the NIT. Good for them.
This was teh first I actually looked at Mephis' recruiting class. Thats a lot of new faces!
https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/ ↗
Can't wait until the Shlockers play them next year....lol.
Now just close on RJ and Jalen and I'm good.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
There is 0% chance Precious and Lester went there for free. My friend knows their former coach in NJ.
And KU wasn’t playing ball with Precious’s guy.
I'm glad they didn't. I don't think they could afford (no pun) to currently
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
There is 0% chance Precious and Lester went there for free. My friend knows their former coach in NJ.
And KU wasn’t playing ball with Precious’s guy.
I'm glad they didn't. I don't think they could afford (no pun) to currently
With all the current crap and it basically being public knowledge... If something would have leaked out it could have proved disastrous so I would agree.
BeddieKU23 said:
Gorilla72 said:
Evan Daniels reporting on Twitter that Precious committed to Memphis a little after 11 am today.
Finally dodged a nightmare for once
@BeddieKU23 If there is any statement that has been spot on, you seem to be the one that nailed it. Can't believe Self saw this guy as any sort of fit here. I have never understood it.
Didn't the ad from memphis quit last week too?👀
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Didn't the ad from memphis quit last week too?👀
He step down
@JAYHAWKFAN214 do you know why?
HighEliteMajor said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Gorilla72 said:
Evan Daniels reporting on Twitter that Precious committed to Memphis a little after 11 am today.
Finally dodged a nightmare for once
@BeddieKU23 If there is any statement that has been spot on, you seem to be the one that nailed it. Can't believe Self saw this guy as any sort of fit here. I have never understood it.
I happen to have some insight to Achiuwa through my friend that's on the staff at Brewster Academy. He's good friends with Achiuwa's former coach in New Jersey. Talent wise he's exactly what Self goes after. Off the court this is exactly the nightmare we needed to stay clear of for all reasons we all know.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Question.... let's say we get Jalen and RJ. Then DD and Q decide to come back. Are we running with DD/RJ/Q/Jalen/Doke, or does Ochai start ahead of Q?
If all of that happens you run 4 guard and bring Jalen off of the bench. But I don't anticipate that happening.
IIRC, RJ Hampton wanted to be on campus (summer school?) this summer. Last day of enrollment is June 3 for new students with classes starting June 4. Should know something by then?
Gorilla72 said:
IIRC, RJ Hampton wanted to be on campus (summer school?) this summer. Last day of enrollment is June 3 for new students with classes starting June 4. Should know something by then?
I would expect something after Dotson announces what he is doing.
I just don’t really understand the Dotson thing. They can coexist without a problem.
BShark said:
Gorilla72 said:
IIRC, RJ Hampton wanted to be on campus (summer school?) this summer. Last day of enrollment is June 3 for new students with classes starting June 4. Should know something by then?
I would expect something after Dotson announces what he is doing.
Moreso Grimes.
Dam , some moron on the Michigan board just BUSTING Jalen Wilsons chones. -talking about or how full of himself Jalen signing his LOI and then turning right around and talking about how he is re-opening his recruitment - who does he think he is and such
Talking about how LOI aren't commitment anymore - he is getting taken to the wood shed by other Michigan fans talking about how it's a bad PR look if you try and force a kid to stay at Michigan against his wishes - -others talking about the reason he was re-opening his recruitment because the Coach left -nobody blaming him - -they taking this guy to the shed - -as obviously he has NO IDEA -- lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Woodrow said:
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Kansas. May 30 through June 1.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Kansas. May 30 through June 1.
Awesome.
Woodrow said:
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Kansas. May 30 through June 1.
Awesome.
Yep. Love that we are getting the first visit.
Thankfully the info was also posted by Evan on 24/7 in the VIP section of the KU board as I do not have Rivals premium but I don't mind 24/7 for the full site access. Just posting about this so people aren't wondering if I have Rivals premium. Always happy to share 24/7 stuff.
Edit: Found a free article as well posted recently: https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Jalen-Wilson-Kansas-North-Carolina-Visits-Top-50-prospect-132157106/ ↗
Looks like KU or UNC. Hopefully Self tells him he will play a lot here. UNC has a starting wing spot up for grabs.
I like that there is no time frame to commit, hopefully Self and co crush the visit.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Kansas. May 30 through June 1.
Lets hit the Slam with this - -we need frontline help and with him being RJ friend would be nice to get both of them - - we at like 29% for Jalen now
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Kansas. May 30 through June 1.
Awesome.
Yep. Love that we are getting the first visit.
Thankfully the info was also posted by Evan on 24/7 in the VIP section of the KU board as I do not have Rivals premium but I don't mind 24/7 for the full site access. Just posting about this so people aren't wondering if I have Rivals premium. Always happy to share 24/7 stuff.
Edit: Found a free article as well posted recently: https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Jalen-Wilson-Kansas-North-Carolina-Visits-Top-50-prospect-132157106/ ↗
Looks like KU or UNC. Hopefully Self tells him he will play a lot here. UNC has a starting wing spot up for grabs.
I like that there is no time frame to commit, hopefully Self and co crush the visit.
Can finally sell a recruit PT and show them Grimes and bash Roy for not playing Little.
The UNC visit may not happen.
FarmerJayhawk said:
The UNC visit may not happen.
that would be nice lol. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
OK, Guys I have a question - - I need help -I need guy OR guys to de-cypher this for me , found this on the Michigan board it showed a picture of Jalen and then it has 5 schools that he is looking at. - So now here is the thing - -down below this picture of him it had this:
It Said INSTAGRAM - -LIVE INTERVIEW TONIGHT with former Michigan commit at 8:00pmn CT
then it had Instagram: tipton edits
@thejalenwilson https://t.Col2JjZKvCoBN ↗
Now my question as hell I have no idea - -so what the hell is this? - - what does that mean? - -is this a Instagram that we as fans can go to some link and watch this Instagram interview? - -Help me out guys let me know please - - -THANKS. - -rock chalk all day long baby
It's just his final 5 schools.
Theory: since summer classes at KU start the 4th, it's possible RJ and Jalen announce right after his visit and get to LFK by then.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Theory: since summer classes at KU start the 4th, it's possible RJ and Jalen announce right after his visit and get to LFK by then.
That would be great. Do you think it will happen? If it did, I would say that that would be a great five man class. By the way, Braun impresses me, am I wrong? Unlike some people, I think that he is going to contribute right away. He seems to have a very high ceiling. Is it true that the guy is now 6'8? If what you say turns out to be true I would REALLY like our recruiting class - Wilson, Enaruna, Braun and McBride being multi-year players.
So Slater - - -Meyer - - -Daniels - - -& Evans have al got RJ predicted KU now. - -Any of the big shots left to predict for KU with RJ ?
@jayballer73 just me. I’m waiting on seeing where he actually suits up before making that “prediction” though.
RJ HAMPTON HAS set a date finally FOR HIS COMMIT
You'd think with his basketball talent that he'd be able to get all the dates he wanted. Weird.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
You'd think with his basketball talent that he'd be able to get all the dates he wanted. Weird.
FOR HAS COMMIT
@JAYHAWKFAN214 Oh, alright. Silly me.
I don't hate that he has a date figured out after the Slater CB pick. Not oooone bit.
So does anyone know the date? I don’t seem to be able to find it.
Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Theory: since summer classes at KU start the 4th, it's possible RJ and Jalen announce right after his visit and get to LFK by then.
That would be great. Do you think it will happen? If it did, I would say that that would be a great five man class. By the way, Braun impresses me, am I wrong? Unlike some people, I think that he is going to contribute right away. He seems to have a very high ceiling. Is it true that the guy is now 6'8? If what you say turns out to be true I would REALLY like our recruiting class - Wilson, Enaruna, Braun and McBride being multi-year players.
I don’t know anything other than KU leads for both. Some of the overseas for R.J. chatter has faded a bit though. Yeah Braun is a legit 6’8 at this point. I don’t think he’ll be much of a contributor until he quits growing and can add some weight.
Braun needs to RS.
HighEliteMajor said:
So does anyone know the date? I don’t seem to be able to find it.
HE JUST SAID SET ONE UP
dylans said:
@jayballer73 just me. I’m waiting on seeing where he actually suits up before making that “prediction” though.
how do you mean - - where he suits up? -- not following
So Hampton HAS set up his announcement date - -OR is going to set up announcement date?
jayballer73 said:
So Hampton HAS set up his announcement date - -OR is going to set up announcement date?
Has a date, hasn’t announced it. I think the first week of June.
@FarmerJayhawk what's up w/his nasty face after that announcement?
@JAYHAWKFAN214 Thanks
wished I could figure out how to follow or hear Jalens live interview that tibits is doing - -says they going to talk about the schools that he is looking at - started at 8:30
jayballer73 said:
wished I could figure out how to follow or hear Jalens live interview that tibits is doing - -says they going to talk about the schools that he is looking at - started at 8:30
It has already started he is done talking now
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
wished I could figure out how to follow or hear Jalens live interview that tibits is doing - -says they going to talk about the schools that he is looking at - started at 8:30
It has already started he is done talking now
how you know did you hear it? on Jalen's twitter it listed 8 oclock - but on the Michigan board and the guy doing the interview it said 8:30
Just looked on the 247 site and Michigan’s recruiting rank went from 51 to 116. That’s got to suck for them.
jayballer73 said:
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
wished I could figure out how to follow or hear Jalens live interview that tibits is doing - -says they going to talk about the schools that he is looking at - started at 8:30
It has already started he is done talking now
how you know did you hear it?
Yes
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
wished I could figure out how to follow or hear Jalens live interview that tibits is doing - -says they going to talk about the schools that he is looking at - started at 8:30
It has already started he is done talking now
how you know did you hear it?
Yes
so you heard the interview? - -any thing solid on it?
jayballer73 said:
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
wished I could figure out how to follow or hear Jalens live interview that tibits is doing - -says they going to talk about the schools that he is looking at - started at 8:30
It has already started he is done talking now
how you know did you hear it?
Yes
so you heard the interview? - -any thing solid on it?
The Guy that was Interview him Asked him what is Inspecting when he visits Kansas in he said that he just wants to coach to ask tell him how he will use him in The system that they are playing in and if he and rj would go to the same school then Lawrence better watch out
@JAYHAWKFAN214 do you feel good about it?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk what's up w/his nasty face after that announcement?
I don’t speak fluent Gen Z but it kind of looks like he just wants to get it over with. Like taking a really good dump.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk what's up w/his nasty face after that announcement?
I don’t speak fluent Gen Z but it kind of looks like he just wants to get it over with. Like taking a really good dump.
If he gets it over with during or right after the KU visit, that would be pretty okay.
I wouldn’t say no to that
🐦 View Tweet?s=21
Interview
My gods. Yeah, it’s happening as long as R.J. picks college. I just can’t ever rule out people taking money. I’ve seen it waaaaaaay too often in my career.
Jalen Wilson schedules a KU visit, his potentially only visit. RJ says he's got a commitment date in mind. This pleases me
Well got to say I heard Jalen's instagram interview and yes I am biased -but man I couldn't help but come away but feeling very good about our position with him.- -just kindof high lites on the schools he focusing on :
1st he was talking about how shocked he was when he found out about the Michigan Coach , then said the assistants came in and told him to just cool down see how things play out - -pretty much dismissed that right away - now having to go through the process again -said the main thing is he has to gain trust - asking the next Coach how long the Coach is going to be there
OK so he said this on North Carolina : any time a school that has had guys like Micheal Jordan play there , and talked about this dude Armondo BaCock is going there been talking about him coming in and playing telling him to come join Tarheel nation , - -Being able to play in the Acc - -the chance to be able to play against Duke all things he liked. - and so on - -really not anything that actually scares me a lot.
The other two schools Florida & Oklahoma St - the read I get on those two was really not HUGE factor - true a factor not saying a Zero % chance for these schools - but just didn't hear much.
Then comes KU Guys said now I know this gets fans excited but now KU, said pretty well known that before you committed to Michigan you was pretty sold on KU
Wilson said: Ya was pretty sold on KU before - -loved KU - -things he loved - - just loved KU basketball - -really like the Morris Twins , kind of Role models in his eyes - loves the KU atmosphere - -atmosphere is crazy , - Ku has had a very successful times with Guards & Wings - said he loves the College it'self - -Campus always alive - - neve dies - loves Allen Fieldhouse , says he was there for the KU/Baylor game - - says LOUD NEVER hear a Gym that loud. - Great Coach's feels like you can talk to them anytime - - -It's not even like a Coach Player relationship - - they just are like we are here to help you , and want to see you be able to get where you want to be.
Then guy talking to him about RJ - and Wilson said ya ya ha known RJ since the 1st grade - see one another about at least every other day - -RJ is his right hand man - that's my guy - saying they have talked about him and RJ going to KU would be a great fit - and if that happened Lawrence better be ready. - But also said still has to be right for both - -Great interview - you can see it off u-tube - made me feel myself pretty confident actually - now just hopew it comes to life. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Oh a little side note from Jalen's interview. - Tibit asked Jalen what he thought about Precious committing to Memphis? - Jalen said and so did the guy , they both said they were shocked/stunned that he committed to Memphis. - Jalen and this guy truly thought Precious was going to KU for sure. - Guess we were closer to Precious then I thought. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well just saw , must of been yet another pick for us with Jalen Wilson -just read where someone made a pick for KU on the Crystal ball - -we are now at 33% for Jalen.
You now kind of makes you wonder - -even if just a tinsy bit there was another poster saying on the Phog - kind of funny in a way that RJ has now got an announcement date and people should know soon - kind of funny he says this how funny it is if his announcement is the same weekend that Jalen is visiting the KU campus. - - Possibly announce on the same weekend - bot commit. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
TL;DR Jalen was sounding like a KU lean early until Michigan blew him away but it looks like essentially being 2nd place before could pay off. Also we need Grimes to stay gone.
BShark said:
TL;DR Jalen was sounding like a KU lean early until Michigan blew him away but it looks like essentially being 2nd place before could pay off. Also we need Grimes to stay gone.
you can see Jalen's innerview on you tube - around 16 minute interview
Yeah,,, and here we go! Grimes, a bust player, possibly holding our program hostage because he may or may not want to come back and play.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Marco I don't think it is Grimes' choice at this point. Self does not HAVE to let him come back.
And that is what I am trying to say. "Sorry, but while for months you have been saying that you are gone, I have been busy replacing you." It is the only sound way - in this era of egos - for a program (business) to stay viable. Let's face it, they are not students (those testing and trying to swim in the NBA waters) they are athletes trying to make adult decisions. Just as programs such as KU have to do themselves.
Jalen Wilson has scheduled a UNC visit for June 3-5
@Kcmatt7 The narrative has been that Self has "had" to play Grimes because of his OAD status, thus not to impair his ability to lick the boots ... er, recruit such highly ranked guys in the future. Don't you think to reject Grimes' return would be suicide, not only with OAD fellows, but with the other guys that aspire to the NBA?
I would offer that, yes, we HAVE to take him back.
But to your position, are you thinking Self could strike a deal with him, one of those quiet, we all love each other deals, where we let him out of his scholarship and permit him to transfer without sitting a year?
Because I can't even imagine that Grimes' wants to come back, Self says no, and the backlash that would follow.
Am I missing anything?
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson has scheduled a UNC visit for June 3-5
This doesn't please me. Don't let me down Jalen, a 2nd time
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 The narrative has been that Self has "had" to play Grimes because of his OAD status, thus not to impair his ability to lick the boots ... er, recruit such highly ranked guys in the future. Don't you think to reject Grimes' return would be suicide, not only with OAD fellows, but with the other guys that aspire to the NBA?
I would offer that, yes, we HAVE to take him back.
But to your position, are you thinking Self could strike a deal with him, one of those quiet, we all love each other deals, where we let him out of his scholarship and permit him to transfer without sitting a year?
Because I can't even imagine that Grimes' wants to come back, Self says no, and the backlash that would follow.
Am I missing anything?
It will never be worded as Self not letting him come back from a PR standpoint. But that would be the truth.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 The narrative has been that Self has "had" to play Grimes because of his OAD status, thus not to impair his ability to lick the boots ... er, recruit such highly ranked guys in the future. Don't you think to reject Grimes' return would be suicide, not only with OAD fellows, but with the other guys that aspire to the NBA?
I would offer that, yes, we HAVE to take him back.
But to your position, are you thinking Self could strike a deal with him, one of those quiet, we all love each other deals, where we let him out of his scholarship and permit him to transfer without sitting a year?
Because I can't even imagine that Grimes' wants to come back, Self says no, and the backlash that would follow.
Am I missing anything?
Yes. Unless Grimes could get a waiver he has to sit a year. There's no giving a player a release anymore since the Transfer Portal became a thing. The player just goes to the compliance office and asks to be entered. That's the end of it. The head coach has no formal role anymore.
And we do not have to take him back. If Hampton wants to commit and will do so sans Grimes, you just be honest that it didn't work out and everyone moves on like adults. If Grimes wants to go back to college, transferring makes sense. But I still think the plan for him and his crew is to stay in the draft and then see what happens.
If we have 2 pt guards the writings on the wall anyway. I don't think he wants to come back. Is it up to coach whether he has to sit a year? I know Self wouldn't hold him back. Can you just go to the G league?
Marco said:
@ajvan How can he? He doesn't even know who to replace or how many scholarships he has.... Who to offer and who not. If you don't think that Hampton cares whether Grimes is or isn't coming back you are probably mistaken. If you were him would you?
If your a player with the type of talent that RJ has , you really think Quentin Grimes would scare RJ off? - - Come on man get real - -if your an elite talent like he is - you should have the confidence - -that edge you better then anyone else on that floor back it up - -RJ knows you can't just walk in an get a spot - -you compete for that position if competition is there -and if he wasn't willing to compete and afraid THE OTHER is better then him? - we don't want that type of player anyways -- RJ is not afraid of competition and sure the hell not afraid of Quentin. - -I think Bill knows Jussssssssss a little more then you or I or anyone else on here - I think his 14 straight championships speak for themselves - his hall of fame induction pretty well speaks for its'self - -I think his National championship speaks for it'self - - I think his final fours speak for themselves -and you question if he know what the hell he is doing? - - Come on man let's be real
@FarmerJayhawk I love that kid.
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson has scheduled a UNC visit for June 3-5
Let's hope he never makes it.
@BeddieKU23 haven't heard much about him since his knee surgery
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@ajvan How can he? He doesn't even know who to replace or how many scholarships he has.... Who to offer and who not. If you don't think that Hampton cares whether Grimes is or isn't coming back you are probably mistaken. If you were him would you?
If your a player with the type of talent that RJ has , you really think Quentin Grimes would scare RJ off? - - Come on man get real - -if your an elite talent like he is - you should have the confidence - -that edge you better then anyone else on that floor back it up - -RJ knows you can't just walk in an get a spot - -you compete for that position if competition is there -and if he wasn't willing to compete and afraid THE OTHER is better then him? - we don't want that type of player anyways -- RJ is not afraid of competition and sure the hell not afraid of Quentin. - -I think Bill knows Jussssssssss a little more then you or I or anyone else on here - I think his 14 straight championships speak for themselves - his hall of fame induction pretty well speaks for its'self - -I think his National championship speaks for it'self - - I think his final fours speak for themselves -and you question if he know what the hell he is doing? - - Come on man let's be real
They are players not machines, of course he cares.
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@ajvan How can he? He doesn't even know who to replace or how many scholarships he has.... Who to offer and who not. If you don't think that Hampton cares whether Grimes is or isn't coming back you are probably mistaken. If you were him would you?
If your a player with the type of talent that RJ has , you really think Quentin Grimes would scare RJ off? - - Come on man get real - -if your an elite talent like he is - you should have the confidence - -that edge you better then anyone else on that floor back it up - -RJ knows you can't just walk in an get a spot - -you compete for that position if competition is there -and if he wasn't willing to compete and afraid THE OTHER is better then him? - we don't want that type of player anyways -- RJ is not afraid of competition and sure the hell not afraid of Quentin. - -I think Bill knows Jussssssssss a little more then you or I or anyone else on here - I think his 14 straight championships speak for themselves - his hall of fame induction pretty well speaks for its'self - -I think his National championship speaks for it'self - - I think his final fours speak for themselves -and you question if he know what the hell he is doing? - - Come on man let's be real
I didn't question if Self knows what he's doing. I'm questioning whether he should let Grimes come back, and he should not.
Dain Ervin picked KU for J Wilson on 247. We’re now at 39%! Keep em coming
@Marco If we didn't let Q come back, then every coach in America would tell a recruit..." If you go to KU, and you test the waters with the NBA, Coach Self won't take you back, even if you want to return". We would never get a Top 100 recruit again. That's a really questionable idea, imo. Maybe Q isn't as bad as you think. Perhaps he gets better...alot better by coming back.
Okay guys, thoughts on this year's recruiting class? We already have Enaruna, Braun and McBride, who else do you think we will add?
KUSTEVE said:
@Marco If we didn't let Q come back, then every coach in America would tell a recruit..." If you go to KU, and you test the waters with the NBA, Coach Self won't take you back, even if you want to return". We would never get a Top 100 recruit again. That's a really questionable idea, imo. Maybe Q isn't as bad as you think. Perhaps he gets better...alot better by coming back.
This is simply not true. Bill kicks players out almost every season. And If Q was just testing the waters that’d be different. But what people have heard is that’s he’s gone, and told Self as much. I’m sure he’s free to return to KU, and ride the bench. I’m sure Self would be okay with that. But is Q?
Now did Self kick him out or did Q just not want to ride the bench if Q ends up transferring?
Because this is how it would get worded.
Dotson is an example of testing the waters. And I’m sure Self encourages it. And I’m sure he’s okay with a guy unexpectedly leaving because they got a first round grade. But the intent in declaring is what changes the entire scenario.
Cal literally runs guys out every season. Several guys said they wanted to return but Cal said the same. You can come back and ride the bench, stay pro, or transfer.
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@ajvan How can he? He doesn't even know who to replace or how many scholarships he has.... Who to offer and who not. If you don't think that Hampton cares whether Grimes is or isn't coming back you are probably mistaken. If you were him would you?
If your a player with the type of talent that RJ has , you really think Quentin Grimes would scare RJ off? - - Come on man get real - -if your an elite talent like he is - you should have the confidence - -that edge you better then anyone else on that floor back it up - -RJ knows you can't just walk in an get a spot - -you compete for that position if competition is there -and if he wasn't willing to compete and afraid THE OTHER is better then him? - we don't want that type of player anyways -- RJ is not afraid of competition and sure the hell not afraid of Quentin. - -I think Bill knows Jussssssssss a little more then you or I or anyone else on here - I think his 14 straight championships speak for themselves - his hall of fame induction pretty well speaks for its'self - -I think his National championship speaks for it'self - - I think his final fours speak for themselves -and you question if he know what the hell he is doing? - - Come on man let's be real
They are players not machines, of course he cares.
your DEAD WRONG PERIOD - - just dead wrong no if and or but's - -RJ could give a rats ass if Grimes is there or not. - -WHY ? - - because he is a competitor -and a dam good one at that - -why the hell would he give a tinkers dam , if your as good as they say you are and you think you are - you could care less who is there BECAUSE you are that competitor -I would be saying Bring it Quentin - -let's see what you got - -you WIN that spot - -it's not given to you - -nothing is just given to you - -and RJ would welcome the challenge if it comes to that - -you are DEAD WRONG
Jaden McDaniels to Washington was a nice kick in the crotch to UK. Hope EJ leaves too. That'd be real nice.
KUSTEVE said:
@Kcmatt7 I'm sure he indirectly manipulates the roster, but he never comes out and says you aren't welcome here. Not to 5 star recruits.
And that's the distinction. Behind the scenes maneuvering where it's a lovefest upon departure vs. an ugly show. But to deny a top 10 player the opportunity to return would be a much different deal either way (unfortunately)
Speaking of Cal, Jaden McDaniels spurned him to stay home at UWash.
Edit: More posts while I was up making tea I see.
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@ajvan How can he? He doesn't even know who to replace or how many scholarships he has.... Who to offer and who not. If you don't think that Hampton cares whether Grimes is or isn't coming back you are probably mistaken. If you were him would you?
If your a player with the type of talent that RJ has , you really think Quentin Grimes would scare RJ off? - - Come on man get real - -if your an elite talent like he is - you should have the confidence - -that edge you better then anyone else on that floor back it up - -RJ knows you can't just walk in an get a spot - -you compete for that position if competition is there -and if he wasn't willing to compete and afraid THE OTHER is better then him? - we don't want that type of player anyways -- RJ is not afraid of competition and sure the hell not afraid of Quentin. - -I think Bill knows Jussssssssss a little more then you or I or anyone else on here - I think his 14 straight championships speak for themselves - his hall of fame induction pretty well speaks for its'self - -I think his National championship speaks for it'self - - I think his final fours speak for themselves -and you question if he know what the hell he is doing? - - Come on man let's be real
They are players not machines, of course he cares.
your DEAD WRONG PERIOD - - just dead wrong no if and or but's - -RJ could give a rats ass if Grimes is there or not. - -WHY ? - - because he is a competitor -and a dam good one at that - -why the hell would he give a tinkers dam , if your as good as they say you are and you think you are - you could care less who is there BECAUSE you are that competitor -I would be saying Bring it Quentin - -let's see what you got - -you WIN that spot - -it's not given to you - -nothing is just given to you - -and RJ would welcome the challenge if it comes to that - -you are DEAD WRONG
You might be dead wrong. Maybe. Or you might be right. We don't know RJ. But clearly, players make decisions when there is potential competition that could impede immediate playing time. That's undeniable. RJ would have seen the great deference given Grimes, he might also see that Agbaji is pretty stout, he might also see that Garrett might have coach Self "pet" status -- when dealing with the latter two, that might not be enough to dissuade him. But add in Grimes, a top 10 guy, it's certainly plausible.
Just a paper top 10 guy. No one is scared of the Grimes we all saw.
dylans said:
Just a paper top 10 guy. No one is scared of the Grimes we all saw.
you know that - - I know that - - RJ knows that lol
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
-I think Bill knows Jussssssssss a little more then you or I or anyone else on here - I think his 14 straight championships speak for themselves - his hall of fame induction pretty well speaks for its'self - -I think his National championship speaks for it'self - - I think his final fours speak for themselves -and you question if he know what the hell he is doing? - - Come on man let's be real
I would offer that this is not an argument. It is more a statement as to why we should always start any discussion giving his decisions the benefit of the doubt. But when you can tell me that Bill Self has not made a mistake, then we'd have something. But until that time, it seems fair game to critique and determine when he's made poor decisions.
jayballer73 said:
dylans said:
Just a paper top 10 guy. No one is scared of the Grimes we all saw.
you know that - - I know that - - RJ knows that lol
Well it's not "lol." The reality is that Bill Self started him every game. That should make a recruit take notice.
It's funny, in nearly the same breath, you state that we should take Bill Self's word as the gospel, then you mock Grimes' on court abilty -- and Bill Self started him every game.
@HighEliteMajor Would Bill have started him every game if he didn't promise him a starting spot during recruiting? Food for thought.
KUSTEVE said:
@Kcmatt7 I'm sure he indirectly manipulates the roster, but he never comes out and says you aren't welcome here. Not to 5 star recruits.
Well he directly manipulates the roster. And if Self doesn't want him back he won't be back. You can call it whatever you want. Recruited over. Manipulated the roster. Kicked out. Not welcome. Etc.
Results are the same.
@BShark or had an option... start whom last year over Grimes? Garrett? Moore? KJ? Just the least bad option and better for future recruiting. How many times did we here about Kelly O. sitting on the bench early and just needing playing time to develop? Some prospects just don’t pan out the way you’d hoped. Grimes as a Jr would be nice, as a OAD not so nice.
I think one of the problems is the high school ranking system. There’s probably 75 kids that can make it to the top 50, or at least have a solid argument on why they should. The ranking system is somewhat flawed and builds too much ego in these players, along side their parents, and get unrealistic expectations for how long they should stay in college by their ranking coming out of high school.
Marco said:
Okay guys, thoughts on this year's recruiting class? We already have Enaruna, Braun and McBride, who else do you think we will add?
Since recruiting is now more then just HS kids. We get Dotson back, Silvio is eligible, Hampton commits and he assists in getting Wilson to join as well. That's the dream boat scenario. I give that one a 10% chance.
Dotson could stay in the draft, the appeals committee could continue to stone wall De Sousa, Hampton could go play in Antarctica for all I care and Wilson will go to UNC or back to Michigan for all we know. I give this one a 20% chance.
Dotson returns, Silvio is ineligible, Hampton & Wilson join the team in June. I give this one a 50% chance.
Dotson returns, Silvio is ineligible, Hampton joins but Wilson goes elsewhere. I give this one a 20% chance.
I'll go with option #3. Dotson, Hampton & Wilson join/return.
Kcmatt7 said:
Jaden McDaniels to Washington was a nice kick in the crotch to UK. Hope EJ leaves too. That'd be real nice.
Odd recruitment. Washington has two potential lottery picks in the front court. Stewart could be the best freshman next year
rockchalkwyo said:
I think one of the problems is the high school ranking system. There’s probably 75 kids that can make it to the top 50, or at least have a solid argument on why they should. The ranking system is somewhat flawed and builds too much ego in these players, along side their parents, and get unrealistic expectations for how long they should stay in college by their ranking coming out of high school.
Definitely plays a part. If Grimes was the #100 ranked player coming to KU, starts all season with that stat line he's probably judged differently. When your a Top 10 player and come here and have that kind of season your going to take criticism.
BeddieKU23 said:
rockchalkwyo said:
I think one of the problems is the high school ranking system. There’s probably 75 kids that can make it to the top 50, or at least have a solid argument on why they should. The ranking system is somewhat flawed and builds too much ego in these players, along side their parents, and get unrealistic expectations for how long they should stay in college by their ranking coming out of high school.
Definitely plays a part. If Grimes was the #100 ranked player coming to KU, starts all season with that stat line he's probably judged differently. When your a Top 10 player and come here and have that kind of season your going to take criticism.
But with that performance last season, to @BShark's point, it's a pretty sure bet he would not have started all last season -- there was something else going on.
HighEliteMajor said:
BeddieKU23 said:
rockchalkwyo said:
I think one of the problems is the high school ranking system. There’s probably 75 kids that can make it to the top 50, or at least have a solid argument on why they should. The ranking system is somewhat flawed and builds too much ego in these players, along side their parents, and get unrealistic expectations for how long they should stay in college by their ranking coming out of high school.
Definitely plays a part. If Grimes was the #100 ranked player coming to KU, starts all season with that stat line he's probably judged differently. When your a Top 10 player and come here and have that kind of season your going to take criticism.
But with that performance last season, to @BShark's point, it's a pretty sure bet he would not have started all last season -- there was something else going on.
I heard he promised Dotson and Q that they would start. Not an authoritative source by any means but it would explain a lot. Self handled Grimes a lot differently than he has high profile guards that played badly in the past. At some point you think he might have been benched to send a message otherwise. Self didn't have a lot of options true but Grimes was the worst starter in the league.
dylans said:
@BShark or had an option... start whom last year over Grimes? Garrett? Moore? KJ? Just the least bad option and better for future recruiting. How many times did we here about Kelly O. sitting on the bench early and just needing playing time to develop? Some prospects just don’t pan out the way you’d hoped. Grimes as a Jr would be nice, as a OAD not so nice.
Yes, yes, and yes on whom to start over Grimes -- my view was Grimes just needed a different perspective. Coming off the bench can provide that perspective, and some players really flourish in that role. Further, I think it does help to really humble a kid. Sit him, don't play him. Reduce minutes. A bit of a tear down to build back up. It reached a point with the Grimes where that strategy was begging, and could have .. not for sure, but could have helped him.
@HighEliteMajor I think Self basically knowing he only had Grimes one year could have changed his approach as well. If there is a chance Self has him for 2-3 years than the tear down to build up becomes a more appealing option. Instead he was forced to just hope that engaged Grimes would show up over checked out Grimes (he rarely did).
All of this to me is why it makes so much sense for both parties to be done. Grimes wasn't quick enough to play the 2, let alone PG... I guess you could try to hide him on D while letting him run the show on offense but Dotson seemed like the far superior option to me so I can't blame Self there.
I agree with that. He likely wouldn't have played that much.
Grimes could have been one of Self's favorites. We all know what happens when Self favors someone.
Was Self sending a message to recruits that he'll play highly ranked freshman from the get-go?
One thing I'll add that wasn't mentioned is if it wasn't Grimes then who? I think the staff identified that playing Dotson with Grimes gave them the best offense potentially. Playing him with Garrett was redundant because neither is a feared shooter.
@BShark @BeddieKU23 And I favor playing the more talented player from the start. That's always been my belief. I just felt when we got to a certain point in the season, a different look for Grimes would have been worth trying, all with the goal of moving him back to the starting lineup. @BeddieKU23 See my comment a few posts on the "if not Grimes then who" thing .. my thought was more a disruption in the routine. Bench him for a bit, reduce minutes, 6th man, whatever .. see if that could jump start him.
@Kcmatt7 I agree with you 100%. The results are the same. I was responding to a request by someone suggesting that Bill tell the guy he's not welcome here. A 5 star guy- a guy that started every game last year. It's a question of how Bill finesses it, so I'm on the same page with you. You can say the same thing w/o saying the same thing.
HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark @BeddieKU23 And I favor playing the more talented player from the start. That's always been my belief. I just felt when we got to a certain point in the season, a different look for Grimes would have been worth trying, all with the goal of moving him back to the starting lineup. @BeddieKU23 See my comment a few posts on the "if not Grimes then who" thing .. my thought was more a disruption in the routine. Bench him for a bit, reduce minutes, 6th man, whatever .. see if that could jump start him.
I wonder if it was considered. It's worked in the past Self sending a message and trying to get motivation through PT or reduced role. Newman was a recent example. So that's a good point why it wasn't really explored. Maybe he thought it would potentially do more harm then good? Not having a fully checked in Vick probably made it difficult to justify as well. The last straw for Vick as I remember was being benched in the first half of a game. I wonder if Self thought that type of behavior would have spilled over to Grimes and he wanted to keep giving Grimes the perception of confidence by not benching him at points in the season where he wasn't performing.
I think in the end, Self looks pretty good even if Grimes leaves undrafted. Kid got plenty of opportunities. Any recruit that gets dissuaded coming to KU because of Grimes getting misused would probably be a bad fit anyway. Is there someone Grimes is associated with that Self is targeting?
BeddieKU23 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark @BeddieKU23 And I favor playing the more talented player from the start. That's always been my belief. I just felt when we got to a certain point in the season, a different look for Grimes would have been worth trying, all with the goal of moving him back to the starting lineup. @BeddieKU23 See my comment a few posts on the "if not Grimes then who" thing .. my thought was more a disruption in the routine. Bench him for a bit, reduce minutes, 6th man, whatever .. see if that could jump start him.
I wonder if it was considered. It's worked in the past Self sending a message and trying to get motivation through PT or reduced role. Newman was a recent example. So that's a good point why it wasn't really explored. Maybe he thought it would potentially do more harm then good? Not having a fully checked in Vick probably made it difficult to justify as well. The last straw for Vick as I remember was being benched in the first half of a game. I wonder if Self thought that type of behavior would have spilled over to Grimes and he wanted to keep giving Grimes the perception of confidence by not benching him at points in the season where he wasn't performing.
I bet it was considered, and your theory on this is just as probable -- that Self self did consider it and maybe, related to this kid, didn't see it as the best approach.
@approxinfinity Can't think of a connection, other than the great state of Texas (Grimes and Barrett/Wilson).
@approxinfinity Couldn't Grimes play the 3 if Dotson comes back, and the 2 if he doesn't?
@jayballer73 They said the same about Grimes, remember?
@HighEliteMajor Thank you.... Baller or not, that will be a crowded bench if Grimes returns and, of course, any player - bigtime player or not - will take that into account.
@jayballer73 We didn't think he was a paper top 10 guy when he signed.
approxinfinity said:
I think in the end, Self looks pretty good even if Grimes leaves undrafted. Kid got plenty of opportunities. Any recruit that gets dissuaded coming to KU because of Grimes getting misused would probably be a bad fit anyway. Is there someone Grimes is associated with that Self is targeting?
I don't believe Grimes has any direct connection to a player Self is targeting currently but I bet you Texas recruits have noticed.
KUSTEVE said:
@approxinfinity Couldn't Grimes play the 3 if Dotson comes back, and the 2 if he doesn't?
Technically, but he'd have to beat out Ochai and Jalen.
@HighEliteMajor And remember, Grimes was a top 10 player. If he comes back it will with everyone we already have coming back and maybe even Dotson - though that is looking unlikely - be a crowded backcourt. Hampton is a baller and doesn't care who else is at KU,,, yeah,,, yeah, alright, whatever, but of course he does.
Marco said:
@BShark Do Grimes and Hampton know one another, are they close? If they are friends (given our interest in Hampton) that might explain why Self treated Grimes a bit differently than he usually does struggling players.
They know each other but aren't close. It won't really matter. RJ is going to play and play a ton no matter who's on the roster next season.
@approxinfinity That's what I want to know, like say RJ Hampton?
HighEliteMajor said:
jayballer73 said:
dylans said:
Just a paper top 10 guy. No one is scared of the Grimes we all saw.
you know that - - I know that - - RJ knows that lol
Well it's not "lol." The reality is that Bill Self started him every game. That should make a recruit take notice.
It's funny, in nearly the same breath, you state that we should take Bill Self's word as the gospel, then you mock Grimes' on court abilty -- and Bill Self started him every game.
look I'm not goin to keep going on this crap - I'll simple end it with I'd bet you my farm that RJ is not afraid of Grimes - -no matter he started one game or 1000 games- -RJ how grimes has preformed I'm sure he isn't losing any sleep over Quentin Grimes - -end of story -nothing to see here any more time to move on -- I'll take my chances with RJ - -ANY day - -Any Time - - Any where over Grimes
@jayballer73 Man you’re going all in. Haha. Hampton better not be scared by Grimes. If he is worried about PT or position competition at a college level then what’s it going to be like for him in the NBA
J Wilson got 2 CBs changing their vote from Michigan to undecided today
@rockchalkwyo Who made those?
@rockchalkwyo Thanks. Well obviously they are not sold on all of the Wilson and KU chatter.
rockchalkwyo said:
@jayballer73 Man you’re going all in. Haha. Hampton better not be scared by Grimes. If he is worried about PT or position competition at a college level then what’s it going to be like for him in the NBA
exactly , and I think that's why he isn't scared - you can't have that kind of mentality - if you gonna act scared or played scared then you might as well have a seat , the game will eat you up and spit you out - you have to have that edge and I think that is RJ's mentality he knows he is good and he backs it up - -difference between grimes and RJ ? - -Grimes just pretty much had his way against High School competition - -got pretty full of himself - -lazy on defense - even in High School - -never transitioned over in College - always an lay defense - and like has been mentioned - -really don't think Coach had any options last year - pretty much why he DID start as many games as he did. - -Ummmm you don't have to worry about RJ'S defense - - Difference between RJ & Hampton - -RJ is the COMPLETE player - - RJ isn't backing down from any other player - - he knows he belongs on the floor in any situation - he has that edge - smarter player then Quentin.
Now let me just say I want to apologize to people here - - I'm truly sorry let my KU emotions get carried away - getting my Crimson and Blue blood flowing - for that I apologize get carried away - - even though I'm not backing off my stance between Rj and Grimes. - -In the end I don't think it's going to be an issue coming down to Grimes and RJ cause I fully believe Grimes IS NOT coming back - he will stick with the NBA - so it won't not be an issue.
I just think a lot of my reactions is that I'm so sick and tired of this recruiting season -- ready for this crap to be over with. -one day we get the feel - -ya were in great shape -- next day -dam looks like we missed - - the next day oh we okj - -to many peaks and valleys - -ya I realize it's the case most year - -just seems like this year - it's been a lot worse - I mean here we are heading in to June and our Roster is STILL up in the air - -just to a point I'm about to say screw it and somebody holler let me know who got - - -who we don't - -when it's all over lol - -one thing I know is it wil always be a ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG DAY TO ME
Woodrow said:
@rockchalkwyo Thanks. Well obviously they are not sold on all of the Wilson and KU chatter.
It's more like they are no longer feeling like that he will be staying at Michigan - -looks like they were Michigan before and now changing their pick to they just are unclear
Ya just checked 247 - - so ya that's what it is, -- These two guys had predicted originally that Jalen went to Michigan - -now they are backing off from he staying at Michigan - -their CB has dropped from like 62% this morning down to 50 % now - -and KU at 39% - -so just meaning they are not sure about where he is going instead of picking Michigan
@jayballer73 I didn't say he was afraid of Grimes. We have Braun, McBride, Garrett, Agbaji, possibly Dotson and maybe - and I hope not - Grimes.... If you were Hampton, looking at what we already have - let's discount Dotson, for arguements sake - would you want Grimes to come back too?
Marco said:
@jayballer73 I didn't say he was afraid of Grimes. We have Braun, McBride, Garrett, Agbaji, possibly Dotson and maybe - and I hope not - Grimes.... If you were Hampton, looking at what we already have - let's discount Dotson, for arguements sake - would you want Grimes to come back too?
Sure, why not. Grimes isn't competition for RJ. Under this scenario, Grimes is fighting with Garrett for first small off the bench kind of minutes.
Watch for Jalen Wilson to talk to Michigan new coach juwan Howard soon to see what he has to say
jayballer73 said:
rockchalkwyo said:
@jayballer73 Man you’re going all in. Haha. Hampton better not be scared by Grimes. If he is worried about PT or position competition at a college level then what’s it going to be like for him in the NBA
exactly , and I think that's why he isn't scared - you can't have that kind of mentality - if you gonna act scared or played scared then you might as well have a seat , the game will eat you up and spit you out - you have to have that edge and I think that is RJ's mentality he knows he is good and he backs it up - -difference between grimes and RJ ? - -Grimes just pretty much had his way against High School competition - -got pretty full of himself - -lazy on defense - even in High School - -never transitioned over in College - always an lay defense - and like has been mentioned - -really don't think Coach had any options last year - pretty much why he DID start as many games as he did. - -Ummmm you don't have to worry about RJ'S defense - - Difference between RJ & Hampton - -RJ is the COMPLETE player - - RJ isn't backing down from any other player - - he knows he belongs on the floor in any situation - he has that edge - smarter player then Quentin.
Now let me just say I want to apologize to people here - - I'm truly sorry let my KU emotions get carried away - getting my Crimson and Blue blood flowing - for that I apologize get carried away - - even though I'm not backing off my stance between Rj and Grimes. - -In the end I don't think it's going to be an issue coming down to Grimes and RJ cause I fully believe Grimes IS NOT coming back - he will stick with the NBA - so it won't not be an issue.
I just think a lot of my reactions is that I'm so sick and tired of this recruiting season -- ready for this crap to be over with. -one day we get the feel - -ya were in great shape -- next day -dam looks like we missed - - the next day oh we okj - -to many peaks and valleys - -ya I realize it's the case most year - -just seems like this year - it's been a lot worse - I mean here we are heading in to June and our Roster is STILL up in the air - -just to a point I'm about to say screw it and somebody holler let me know who got - - -who we don't - -when it's all over lol - -one thing I know is it wil always be a ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG DAY TO ME
I totally f-ing agree with you there. One crazy ass recruiting season. Am I wrong, or is this the craziest year ever? Arizona and LSU still popping on recruits (and they, unlike us, could be in boiling hot water), yet we struggle. Man, it has never been more obvious that the genie has left the bottle...
Marco said:
@jayballer73 I didn't say he was afraid of Grimes. We have Braun, McBride, Garrett, Agbaji, possibly Dotson and maybe - and I hope not - Grimes.... If you were Hampton, looking at what we already have - let's discount Dotson, for arguements sake - would you want Grimes to come back too?
If I'm RJ - - why not? - -better then any of the one's you mentioned - - and even if Devon comes back - he would be sharing some time , with Devon - -not sitting , I think KU is recruiting RJ more as a 2 guard and keeping DD at the point or visa versa - -RJ at the point and sliding Devon over to the 2
Either way if RJ comes your be gonna seeing RJ and Devon on the floor the majority of the time - -who else is that group is challenging RJ for starting minutes - - and RJ will be starting if he comes here - -the only other one close to challenging RJ for starting minutes possibly would be Agbaji - -in the 2 spot - -and not really that stiff of challenge - -I think Devon & RJ would be a great fit together - it would be having 2 PG'S on the floor at the same time. - -When Devon needed a blow rest - -RJ slide over and play the 1 spot. - -Or Marcus gan give Devon a blow and RJ stay put - - Agbaji giving RJ a break at the 2 - -Devon and RJ are not going to be competing against one another for minutes - -they will quite likely be playing ALOT at the same time. -other then him - -no one a challenge for RJ. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
@jayballer73 I didn't say he was afraid of Grimes. We have Braun, McBride, Garrett, Agbaji, possibly Dotson and maybe - and I hope not - Grimes.... If you were Hampton, looking at what we already have - let's discount Dotson, for arguements sake - would you want Grimes to come back too?
Sure, why not. Grimes isn't competition for RJ. Under this scenario, Grimes is fighting with Garrett for first small off the bench kind of minutes
Exactl what I just got through posting - - Grimes is no threat to RJ - -your gonna be having IF Grimes did come back your going to be having Agbaji and Grimes backing RJ at the 2 and Marcus backing Devon - -and RJ also giving Devon Breaks
You could even possibly have Agbaji slide down to the 3 for a few minutes - -so Agbaji - -gonna be getting his minutes - - Marcus will be getting his that he is use to - -And RJ & Devon ROLLING. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
rockchalkwyo said:
@jayballer73 Man you’re going all in. Haha. Hampton better not be scared by Grimes. If he is worried about PT or position competition at a college level then what’s it going to be like for him in the NBA
exactly , and I think that's why he isn't scared - you can't have that kind of mentality - if you gonna act scared or played scared then you might as well have a seat , the game will eat you up and spit you out - you have to have that edge and I think that is RJ's mentality he knows he is good and he backs it up - -difference between grimes and RJ ? - -Grimes just pretty much had his way against High School competition - -got pretty full of himself - -lazy on defense - even in High School - -never transitioned over in College - always an lay defense - and like has been mentioned - -really don't think Coach had any options last year - pretty much why he DID start as many games as he did. - -Ummmm you don't have to worry about RJ'S defense - - Difference between RJ & Hampton - -RJ is the COMPLETE player - - RJ isn't backing down from any other player - - he knows he belongs on the floor in any situation - he has that edge - smarter player then Quentin.
Now let me just say I want to apologize to people here - - I'm truly sorry let my KU emotions get carried away - getting my Crimson and Blue blood flowing - for that I apologize get carried away - - even though I'm not backing off my stance between Rj and Grimes. - -In the end I don't think it's going to be an issue coming down to Grimes and RJ cause I fully believe Grimes IS NOT coming back - he will stick with the NBA - so it won't not be an issue.
I just think a lot of my reactions is that I'm so sick and tired of this recruiting season -- ready for this crap to be over with. -one day we get the feel - -ya were in great shape -- next day -dam looks like we missed - - the next day oh we okj - -to many peaks and valleys - -ya I realize it's the case most year - -just seems like this year - it's been a lot worse - I mean here we are heading in to June and our Roster is STILL up in the air - -just to a point I'm about to say screw it and somebody holler let me know who got - - -who we don't - -when it's all over lol - -one thing I know is it wil always be a ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG DAY TO ME
I totally f-ing agree with you there. One crazy ass recruiting season. Am I wrong, or is this the craziest year ever? Arizona and LSU still popping on recruits (and they, unlike us, could be in boiling hot water), yet we struggle. Man, it has never been more obvious that the genie has left the bottle...
Just been a very long and very frustrating recruiting year - -again going into June and STILL haven't got things setled
Corey Evans reply to a question about Michigan’s new hire regaining J Wilson’s commitment. Found on rivals
Kansas is the strong leader for former Michigan recruit Jalen Wilson and if he were to not commit to either the Jayhawks or North Carolina, it would come as a giant surprise. Wilson will definitely keep Michigan atop of his list and if it is Juwan Howard, who boasts plenty of NBA background, the interest level would be there. However, the timing of his hiring could put the Wolverines behind the eight ball even further.
Now, if Howard were to keep select members from the former staff in Ann Arbor, it could help in the relationship building process with Wilson. He is intrigued by the small forward opening at Kansas which is why he swiftly set a visit up to see the Big 12 program for May 30. North Carolina might also snag a visit date, but Michigan is playing catch-up now and will do as such the longer the coaching search continues in Ann Arbor.
KU needs to put the hammer down on his visit.
Yeah no kidding. Looking at the excitement on Wilson’s face when he was talking KU during his interview the other day makes me feel KU is in a good spot. Of course that was before the hire happened.
Ok, so we now know Howard got hired at Michigan - - -surprise , surprise. - My thing is that yes with this hire , I'm sure Howard will hit Wilson hard throw his pitch - and I'm sure Jalen will listen for sure , I've heard his parents really did love Michigan - - big fans. - -It wouldn't surprise me that he did possibly stay put with this hire - - yet wouldn't surprise me either if he transferred out - -I'd it now has shifted back to 50/50
My question is - -has anybody heard or seen yet - - Has Michigan even released him from his LOI yet? - -I know he asked for it but haven't heard if they granted his release - - anyone know? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I just rewatched the Wilson interview again and I noticed that at the very end he was asked if RJ will accompany him during his visit to Lawrence. He said no, but I know someone on here (before the interview) said he was. Now why would he deny that? Out of respect for other programs?
@rockchalkwyo RJ visiting with him isn't set in stone iirc.
I would be surprised if he did. It sounded good at the time though
I wonder if the staff said he shouldn’t because they can’t give RJ food and rides and stuff like that
Maybe it is just the way the 2019 recruiting cycle has gone, but I would not be surprised if he ends up back at Michigan.
Woodrow said:
Maybe it is just the way the 2019 recruiting cycle has gone, but I would not be surprised if he ends up back at Michigan.
Definitely don't like that they made a good splashy hire.
KU may still hold an edge since he did get his release and doesn't have a relationship with the new coach at this moment. That's about all the optimism I have. Michigan hired quickly and made a good choice given their options at this time.
I also think this cycle has just worn us all out. Its the end of May and we're the only program in America with so much uncertainty still.
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.
@BeddieKU23 I am worried about Wilson now. He was a fan of the Fab Five and he was named Jalen after....Jalen Rose.
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.
I feel bad for Grimes. I really do. It seems as though his inner circle is filled with delusional people who have and will continue to fail him. He should have never even declared.
This is one of my favorite movies, and this quote all too often comes to mind...
He wants to play pt, maybe at a juco?
Hawk8086 said:
@BeddieKU23 I am worried about Wilson now. He was a fan of the Fab Five and he was named Jalen after....Jalen Rose.
Last I knew Jalen and Howard really didn’t like each other.
Yeah the only way Grimes is back is if Dotson stays in the draft and we whiff on Hampton.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Hawk8086 said:
@BeddieKU23 I am worried about Wilson now. He was a fan of the Fab Five and he was named Jalen after....Jalen Rose.
Last I knew Jalen and Howard really didn’t like each other.
Yeah the only way Grimes is back is if Dotson stays in the draft and we whiff on Hampton.
Quoted today as saying that Howard getting hired at Michigan will probably end up bringing the Fab 5 back together.
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.I feel bad for Grimes. I really do. It seems as though his inner circle is filled with delusional people who have and will continue to fail him. He should have never even declared.
This is one of my favorite movies, and this quote all too often comes to mind...
But what if this is all on Grimes himself?
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.I feel bad for Grimes. I really do. It seems as though his inner circle is filled with delusional people who have and will continue to fail him. He should have never even declared.
This is one of my favorite movies, and this quote all too often comes to mind...
But what if this is all on Grimes himself?
I suppose it's possible. But either way, whoever raised him let him get too big headed before he ever got to KU then. There was clearly no backup plan in case he struggled.
Kcmatt7 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Hawk8086 said:
@BeddieKU23 I am worried about Wilson now. He was a fan of the Fab Five and he was named Jalen after....Jalen Rose.
Last I knew Jalen and Howard really didn’t like each other.
Yeah the only way Grimes is back is if Dotson stays in the draft and we whiff on Hampton.
Quoted today as saying that Howard getting hired at Michigan will probably end up bringing the Fab 5 back together.
I still feel some what confident -About Jalen. - -somethings going for us still
RJ being Jalen's best friend - - how we really have his interest in the Sf situation - -stepping right into quality minutes , add those things on top of the Coach that he committed to come to Michigan to play for is gone - -add that to the fact that Yaklich sounds like he isn't the happiest camper by not getting hired - -an with him being the lead recruiter for Wilson - -these things all have to play in our favor.
The top two Coach's that was involved with you are gone or sounds like they are going to be gone - -you got a chance to play with your best friend - -one of the best schools in the game - -and like Jalen said never hear a gym as loud as KU'S atmosphere is just crazy - - - -He knows and really likes the KU Coach's - -already got his visit sit up -- even though Michigan was fairly quick with the hire -- still kind of behind the 8 ball like Corey Evans is saying
We were in his final 6 BEFORE he committed the 1st time - I think we get him on Campus for his visit - can go a long way - -we might still be OK. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I would bet marquette is an option for Grimes.
Also, I mentioned this before I feel re Grimes transferring
@jayballer73 I was going to say the same thing but you beat me to it. I want to say KU was his 2nd choice behind Michigan
BShark said:
I would bet marquette is an option for Grimes.
Also, I mentioned this before I feel re Grimes transferring
I think G League. Another 2 years in college are very not appealing to his crew.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark will he get to play right away?
No which is why what @FarmerJayhawk mentions is a good point.
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.
This is how we got Malik Newman and that worked out okay for KU. Hopefully it works out for Grimes as well wherever he ends up.
Ryan posted this as well
"I think Dotson is coming back, but that is mostly pre-combine info. I don't have any reason to believe that's changed.
On Grimes - I don't think his people want him back at KU regardless. The Vick situation was much different."
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.This is how we got Malik Newman and that worked out okay for KU. Hopefully it works out for Grimes as well wherever he ends up.
That is so true. Unfortunately the shoe is on the other end this time.
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.I feel bad for Grimes. I really do. It seems as though his inner circle is filled with delusional people who have and will continue to fail him. He should have never even declared.
This is one of my favorite movies, and this quote all too often comes to mind...
But what if this is all on Grimes himself?
I suppose it's possible. But either way, whoever raised him let him get too big headed before he ever got to KU then. There was clearly no backup plan in case he struggled.
Do you think most players in his position have the same attitude? Isn't it kind of rare to find those OAD types that have no ego and are humble? It seems rare to find them but I could be wrong. So I don't know that Q is acting any differently then most kids in his position would. I know none of us on here are experts when it comes to the draft and what these kids should do with their lives but I can't imagine many KU fans agreed he was ready to jump to the pro's. Somehow someway he and his camp thought so and now reality has started to set in...
Grimes opting out, transferring -- perhaps a good decision for all if that's where his head is.
I'm sure all of this is all Bill Self's fault (in the mind of his "people").
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.This is how we got Malik Newman and that worked out okay for KU. Hopefully it works out for Grimes as well wherever he ends up.
I agree. Wish the guy the best, I really do.
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.I feel bad for Grimes. I really do. It seems as though his inner circle is filled with delusional people who have and will continue to fail him. He should have never even declared.
This is one of my favorite movies, and this quote all too often comes to mind...
But what if this is all on Grimes himself?
I suppose it's possible. But either way, whoever raised him let him get too big headed before he ever got to KU then. There was clearly no backup plan in case he struggled.
Do you think most players in his position have the same attitude? Isn't it kind of rare to find those OAD types that have no ego and are humble? It seems rare to find them but I could be wrong. So I don't know that Q is acting any differently then most kids in his position would. I know none of us on here are experts when it comes to the draft and what these kids should do with their lives but I can't imagine many KU fans agreed he was ready to jump to the pro's. Somehow someway he and his camp thought so and now reality has started to set in...
I'm really looking forward to the OAD Rule being gone. But, of course, there are only so many teams in the NBA and eventually - yeah, I'm calling it - the player's union is going to balk at all of the young players coming in and taking away from their fat second, third and fourth contracts (forcing veterans out). Let us not forget that OADs or even kids going to the league straight out of high school is - Malone, Garnett, Kobe and LeBron aside - a relatively new thing. The league will very soon mandate that they have to be 20 or even 21 years old to enter the draft - mark it! Their product has suffered for awhile now, which is why they instituted the rule to begin with.
De Sousa can play this coming season! Bigtime news!
Marco said:
De Sousa can play this coming season! Bigtime news!
Awesome news - - think this puts and end to Jalen though - -but that's ok - -SILVIO is BACK
You guys get a chance - check out on Jalen's Twitter - - see the post Prison Mitch sent on the 18th of MAY - -really cool video that Jalen retweeted.
Prison Mitch said: - - -Here at Kansas we don't just watch History , we make it . - - -Join the family and create your own legacy - - Mitch - - that's our boy -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Jalen has nothing to do with Silvio. He wants to be a 2/3, so if anything this helps the cause!
FarmerJayhawk said:
Jalen has nothing to do with Silvio. He wants to be a 2/3, so if anything this helps the cause!
I've been saying this too. Definitely a wing.
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
De Sousa can play this coming season! Bigtime news!
Awesome news - - think this puts and end to Jalen though - -but that's ok - -SILVIO is BACK
He is projected to be a wing.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Jalen has nothing to do with Silvio. He wants to be a 2/3, so if anything this helps the cause!
that's good news - - -so then it's going to boil down to us and Michigan - -him re-committing - -I really don't consider NC in the picture
SPRING BILL
Bring the hammer down. Slam it down to the ground.
If signing RJ and Wilson — or anyone —means that Agbaji won’t start, no thanks. We need to cultivate this potential star.
I think Ochai is closer to Releford than a star guy. Which is fine, you need Relefords.
Adding RJ and Wilson to the class brings it back into the top 10 nationally. Would be pretty crazy after all that went down this last year.
BShark said:
Adding RJ and Wilson to the class brings it back into the top 10 nationally. Would be pretty crazy after all that went down this last year.
BUT SELF CANT RECRUIT ANYMORE AND WE HAVE TO FIRE ALL THE ASSISTANTS LIKE YESTERDAY
@jayballer73 I'm not sure about that. Isn't Wilson a 3?
FarmerJayhawk said:
Jalen has nothing to do with Silvio. He wants to be a 2/3, so if anything this helps the cause!
That's what I thought. And you were right about De Sousa, Farmer. I was wrong, and glad that I was.
BShark said:
Adding RJ and Wilson to the class brings it back into the top 10 nationally. Would be pretty crazy after all that went down this last year.
You can say that again.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
Adding RJ and Wilson to the class brings it back into the top 10 nationally. Would be pretty crazy after all that went down this last year.
BUT SELF CANT RECRUIT ANYMORE AND WE HAVE TO FIRE ALL THE ASSISTANTS LIKE YESTERDAY
LMAO - - - now you stop that sir lmao - if I didn't know better I would think there might be a teaspoon of sarcasm in that statement lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Marco said:
@jayballer73 I'm not sure about that. Isn't Wilson a 3?
yes sir he is - - just yet another example of my old feeble mind at work lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Question that I've been wondering about .. why is it that we assume that Wilson's going to come in here and start, or be an immediate contributor? And that Enaruna might redshirt? Enaruna is actually ranked a touch higher than Wilson with Rivals, and Enaruna is just about 10 spots below Wilson at 24/7. Both are listed as wings. The only difference I can discern is Wilson's shooting ability (though there are positive comments about Enaruna too). But from a quickness standpoint, guarding the 3, I'm not sure about that with either of them.
@HighEliteMajor Wilson is much more ready to contribute immediately. Enaruna has a lot higher ceiling though, hence his higher ranking.
FarmerJayhawk said:
@HighEliteMajor Wilson is much more ready to contribute immediately. Enaruna has a lot higher ceiling though, hence his higher ranking.
true - however Evan Daniels also said that he though Wilson was actually under rated and should be like 10-15 spots higher then they have him
find it kind of funny/humorous Was scouring other fan bases/boards - - looked at K-State - - -looked at Michigan - - - Looked at N Carolina - - - -Looked at Duke - -and then I checked out Kentucky. - - Out of these , - Kentucky was the one that you can smell the fear, - -worries of what this does for KU'S season.
their whining was music to my ears, goes to show their inferiority complex showing it's ugly head , the rest of the fan boards was for the most part talking like they felt Silvio decision was the right decision - -Hell Duke fans making comments such as -The Champions Classic just became tougher - - -KU gonna be loaded - - KU Being a legit final 4 contender - -NOT KENTUCKY lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'm going off of what my eyes tell me and not ranking.
jayballer73 said:
find it kind of funny/humorous Was scouring other fan bases/boards - - looked at K-State - - -looked at Michigan - - - Looked at N Carolina - - - -Looked at Duke - -and then I checked out Kentucky. - - Out of these , - Kentucky was the one that you can smell the fear, - -worries of what this does for KU'S season.
their whining was music to my ears, goes to show their inferiority complex showing it's ugly head , the rest of the fan boards was for the most part talking like they felt Silvio decision was the right decision - -Hell Duke fans making comments such as -The Champions Classic just became tougher - - -KU gonna be loaded - - KU Being a legit final 4 contender - -NOT KENTUCKY lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'll take it a step further @jayballer73 and I never said this about our last team (wasn't as high on it as most). If all of the pieces fall into place - as well as an outside shot to give balance - and everyone stays healthy, I think we could win it all. Which I guess is what you are saying, right?
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
find it kind of funny/humorous Was scouring other fan bases/boards - - looked at K-State - - -looked at Michigan - - - Looked at N Carolina - - - -Looked at Duke - -and then I checked out Kentucky. - - Out of these , - Kentucky was the one that you can smell the fear, - -worries of what this does for KU'S season.
their whining was music to my ears, goes to show their inferiority complex showing it's ugly head , the rest of the fan boards was for the most part talking like they felt Silvio decision was the right decision - -Hell Duke fans making comments such as -The Champions Classic just became tougher - - -KU gonna be loaded - - KU Being a legit final 4 contender - -NOT KENTUCKY lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'll take it a step further @jayballer73 and I never said this about our last team (wasn't as high on it as most). If all of the pieces fall into place - as well as an outside shot to give balance - and everyone stays healthy, I think we could win it all. Which I guess is what you are saying, right?
But we have to add two more very important pieces.... "Come on sevens....!" Roll!
@Marco - I said the before last season. If we had SDS to start last season, I thought we had a decent chance to go undefeated. That assumed everyone healthy, contributing, etc. I think what we saw of our team early, with Vick being a huge factor, that was possible. Of course, undefeated is a high bar, but maybe a two or three loss season was entirely reasonable.
@FarmerJayhawk @jayballer73 @BShark That is all helpful. I do like Wilson's ability to shoot the ball as being in the mix for time at the three.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco - I said the before last season. If we had SDS to start last season, I thought we had a decent chance to go undefeated. That assumed everyone healthy, contributing, etc. I think what we saw of our team early, with Vick being a huge factor, that was possible. Of course, undefeated is a high bar, but maybe a two or three loss season was entirely reasonable.
@FarmerJayhawk @jayballer73 @BShark That is all helpful. I do like Wilson's ability to shoot the ball as being in the mix for time at the three.
I like Braun, McBride and Agbaji being able to contribute from three, as well.
I am not sure how Braun and McBride find minutes. Maybe one but not both. And neither if Dotson, RJ and Wilson are all on the team.
BShark said:
I am not sure how Braun and McBride find minutes. Maybe one but not both. And neither if Dotson, RJ and Wilson are all on the team.
Maybe in spot situations.
If we can get three guards who shoot comfortably in the 40s from 3 can 2 bigs work?
@approxinfinity I’d say yes, but who are these three guards you speak of?
@FarmerJayhawk Can Jalen defend at the 3? I'm afraid he's a 4 hiding out at the 3.
ajvan said:
@approxinfinity I’d say yes, but who are these three guards you speak of?
hypothetically. I'm wondering if Self managed to recruit some stellar 3 pt shooters if the 2 big game could still be a winning strategy. Esp if those two bigs shoot 66% from the field.
Commitment from Michael Jankovich ( son of Tim?). Dunno if he’s a preferred walk on or scholarship. Supposedly really good 3-ball shooter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NMHbasketball/status/1132331908883464193 ↗
Gorilla72 said:
Commitment from Michael Jankovich ( son of Tim?). Dunno if he’s a preferred walk on or scholarship. Supposedly really good 3-ball shooter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NMHbasketball/status/1132331908883464193 ↗
Tim’s kid and a walk-on. Honestly that’s 3 pretty good walk-ons with Jank, Elliott, and Luinstra.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Gorilla72 said:
Commitment from Michael Jankovich ( son of Tim?). Dunno if he’s a preferred walk on or scholarship. Supposedly really good 3-ball shooter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NMHbasketball/status/1132331908883464193 ↗
Tim’s kid and a walk-on. Honestly that’s 3 pretty good walk-ons with Jank, Elliott, and Luinstra.
Agree. Not that it matters too much but it does look like he is better than Manning or Self lol.
Jimmy Whitt to Arkansas. Time to fire up the Kyree Walker rumors again.
@FarmerJayhawk Would take Walker tbh
FarmerJayhawk said:
Jimmy Whitt to Arkansas. Time to fire up the Kyree Walker rumors again.
So since it seems like people conceding Hampton to over sea's now huh? - This recuiting year has just plain Sucked -can't count Silvio as a recruit already here -So Kyree would be great if he would re-classify - but not sure that would matter the way this year has gone - -IF Hampton does indeed go oversea's - -just insane -then you figure Hampton goes over sea"s and Wilson re-commits back to Michigan
@jayballer73 UNC is more likely than Michigan BUT I still think KU has a real shot regardless of Hampton.
Grimes just posted on Snapchat a picture of ASU stadium. Not sure what he meant by that
rockchalkwyo said:
Grimes just posted on Snapchat a picture of ASU stadium. Not sure what he meant by that
That's where hes practicing
Big Jalen Wilson update from a guy that talked to his coach here on page 10: https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Board/103719/Contents/Jalen-Wilson-132015495/?Page=10#M132271168 ↗
Kyree Walker and Jalen Wilson are the big prizes now. I think Arkansas is no longer an option for Walker assuming he reclassifies. I think he will assuming his academics are in order. They're 3 over the scholarship limit as it stands and just took two wings as grad transfers. I'll see what else I can dig up there. Everyone feels like KU leads for Wilson, and I have no reason to disagree. He and RJ were always independent of each other.
Has Walker ever mentioned himself that he is thinking about reclassifying? I just haven't seen anything about it... Really haven't seen much on him at all.
@FarmerJayhawk I have seen that (Walker RJ either/or not both) bandied about in a couple articles before, one on Rivals I think. If Arkansas isn't in the picture, it would have to be KU I'd think. Saw nothing but Arkansas or KU and he is Adidas all the way I believe.
@Woodrow Not sure, he will be 19 before the next season even starts though.
Woodrow said:
Has Walker ever mentioned himself that he is thinking about reclassifying? I just haven't seen anything about it... Really haven't seen much on him at all.
He always plays coy about it but I really think he will. He turns 19 in November so he's eligible for the 2020 draft if he graduates this year.
So who else is recruiting Walker? Hard to imagine other programs not going after him with both bags available.
BeddieKU23 said:
So who else is recruiting Walker? Hard to imagine other programs not going after him with both bags available.
Just Arkansas. If Nike were to win Memphis. But if he is reclassing KU would be the driving force since those two schools are full.
BeddieKU23 said:
So who else is recruiting Walker? Hard to imagine other programs not going after him with both bags available.
I've heard Memphis, though that was pre-Tucker and Precious, Oregon (seems less likely since his good friend Wooten is gone), and LSU. Also he's on the Adidas circuit this summer. So look out below!
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
So who else is recruiting Walker? Hard to imagine other programs not going after him with both bags available.
Just Arkansas. If Nike were to win Memphis. But if he is reclassing KU would be the driving force since those two schools are full.
Not buying it, no player that good would stray from pitches from other schools.
Kyree is a different kind of dude too. He popped for ASU suuuuper early. Like Markese Jacobs early. I don't get the feeling that he wants much of the attention.
@BeddieKU23 I mean at this stage if he reclasses, many schools are full up. Bill Self needs to do the shit Calipari did with Juzang. He needs to stay Adidas as @FarmerJayhawk mentioned.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Kyree is a different kind of dude too. He popped for ASU suuuuper early. Like Markese Jacobs early. I don't get the feeling that he wants much of the attention.
I feel we do well in these spots.
Oh yeah, absolutely will LOVE to see this recruiting cycle end. KU/Self will bounce back I have no doubt.
Especially with an absolutely gaping hole at the wing. He wants the ball in his hands as more of a guard (personally I like him more as a 3) but he can do that playing off guard at KU. Dead eye shooter too. 43 and 47 percent the last two years. 80% from the line over his career too.
BShark said:
Big Jalen Wilson update from a guy that talked to his coach here on page 10: https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Board/103719/Contents/Jalen-Wilson-132015495/?Page=10#M132271168 ↗
So seeing what I had been mentioning - - MICHIGAN , right there - because of Jwuan. - -anybody but him , - like I said His parents loved the fab 5 and named Jalen after Jalen Rose. - Hell they had even talked about trying to hire Jalen as an assistant to help things- - at this point I'm not even beginning to try and think were in good shape with ANYONE
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I have seen that (Walker RJ either/or not both) bandied about in a couple articles before, one on Rivals I think. If Arkansas isn't in the picture, it would have to be KU I'd think. Saw nothing but Arkansas or KU and he is Adidas all the way I believe.
@Woodrow Not sure, he will be 19 before the next season even starts though.
He DID have Memphis as one of the three schools -BUT that can't be an option anymore. - Yet IF and when he does IF he does I'm sure there will be a lot of Schools be jumping on it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
So who else is recruiting Walker? Hard to imagine other programs not going after him with both bags available.
Just Arkansas. If Nike were to win Memphis. But if he is reclassing KU would be the driving force since those two schools are full.
Like KU was the driving force for RJ to reclassify? I’m tired of this recruiting cycle. What a bad joke.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Especially with an absolutely gaping hole at the wing. He wants the ball in his hands as more of a guard (personally I like him more as a 3) but he can do that playing off guard at KU. Dead eye shooter too. 43 and 47 percent the last two years. 80% from the line over his career too.
Yeah he'd be great to have.
Texas is going to hire Yaklich. This will hurt what chance Michigan had to retain Jalen Wilson.
Dear this year's recruiting cycle, please end.
Sincerely,
Marco
BShark said:
Texas is going to hire Yaklich. This will hurt what chance Michigan had to retain Jalen Wilson.
Agree. - - With Yaklich going to Texas that means Wilson lost the TWO most important of the guys that were on his recruitment. - - Head Coach Berlein & now Yaklich -- BUT I'm not even going to even begin to allow myself to start thinking about a possibility until he commits - This season has just WAY to whacked. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Here’s my new mindset - KU will never land another top 100 recruit. That way IF they do sign one I can be happy and not pissed at every whiff. There are far more misses than hits the way this staff recruits, wide net.
@jayballer73 I believe you like Kyree Walker about as much as I do. Sounding like KU will make a push to get him for next season, but it would be late, maybe even Brandon Rush late.
BShark said:
@jayballer73 I believe you like Kyree Walker about as much as I do. Sounding like KU will make a push to get him for next season, but it would be late, maybe even Brandon Rush late.
Ya I like him a lot. - when I watch clips of him , and I know they are high lite clips but looks like the kid can be a pretty physical player , like I've mentioned here I believe , seen where they call him like a positionless player. - - I think from the way it sounds and I know if he re-classifies I'm sure things will change drastically but as of the moment - for him it was like 3 teams he was listing -Arkansas - - Memphis - -& KU.
the kid can score for sure - -would be a nice fit at the 2 give us some outside scoring - got some serious hops as you know - -decent handles.
I think when you talking late you mean as far as him committing right ? - -If that is what you mean I understand as the latest article I saw on him was that he wasn't really even focusing on that right now - -with playing in the circuit - -I think I read that ends up in like the latter part of July. - I hope we can get him to re-classify - but like I posted earlier in one of the threads - even if we do I refuse to let my hopes rise until he literally commits as this year as really chapped my ass on this whole recruiting process. - keep our fingers crossed there is mutual interest buddy. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
As frustrated as I am as a fan about recruiting I can only imagine how the staff feels. And they have to keep a smile on and go do it again today. Played twice in the same month. Poor guys, hope they have a plan D E and F.
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 I believe you like Kyree Walker about as much as I do. Sounding like KU will make a push to get him for next season, but it would be late, maybe even Brandon Rush late.
Ya I like him a lot. - when I watch clips of him , and I know they are high lite clips but looks like the kid can be a pretty physical player , like I've mentioned here I believe , seen where they call him like a positionless player. - - I think from the way it sounds and I know if he re-classifies I'm sure things will change drastically but as of the moment - for him it was like 3 teams he was listing -Arkansas - - Memphis - -& KU.
the kid can score for sure - -would be a nice fit at the 2 give us some outside scoring - got some serious hops as you know - -decent handles.
I think when you talking late you mean as far as him committing right ? - -If that is what you mean I understand as the latest article I saw on him was that he wasn't really even focusing on that right now - -with playing in the circuit - -I think I read that ends up in like the latter part of July. - I hope we can get him to re-classify - but like I posted earlier in one of the threads - even if we do I refuse to let my hopes rise until he literally commits as this year as really chapped my ass on this whole recruiting process. - keep our fingers crossed there is mutual interest buddy. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Lol! Man, I feel ya! I'm at this point ready to just start the season and see if we might be able sign someone come November!
dylans said:
As frustrated as I am as a fan about recruiting I can only imagine how the staff feels. And they have to keep a smile on and go do it again today. Played twice in the same month. Poor guys, hope they have a plan D E and F.
I think, at this point, that their plan is to get to the '19-'20 season and go all in on the '20 and '21 recruits. Three that I want to be Jayhawks? Xavier Foster, Ty Berry and Bryce Thompson.
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
@FarmerJayhawk For what year?
He's still officially in 2020, so that's all you can pick at this point. I think the expectation is for him to jump to 2019 though.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
No reason for KU not to make a big push. Kid is super entrenched with Adidas as well.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
No reason for KU not to make a big push. Kid is super entrenched with Adidas as well.
Zion says HI....Never hurts that he's on the grassroots program probably being influenced to stay with Adidas though. I also get we are talking about two completely different people. Zion had a big brand and was going to be tough to retain. Walker from everything we hear is much quieter and may just enroll somewhere (KU) without much fan-fare
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
No reason for KU not to make a big push. Kid is super entrenched with Adidas as well.
For sure. Even if Dotson and Grimes come back he'll be able to play a lot at the 2 and 3.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
No reason for KU not to make a big push. Kid is super entrenched with Adidas as well.
Zion says HI....Never hurts that he's on the grassroots program probably being influenced to stay with Adidas though
In that case Zion was Nike and then Adidas made a play to try and recruit him for KU. Didn't work out but this is a lot different than Zion's situation.
Walker has been at one of the bigger Adidas AAU teams and been going to an Adidas prep school.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
No reason for KU not to make a big push. Kid is super entrenched with Adidas as well.
Zion says HI....Never hurts that he's on the grassroots program probably being influenced to stay with Adidas though
In that case Zion was Nike and then Adidas made a play to try and recruit him for KU. Didn't work out but this is a lot different than Zion's situation.
Walker has been at one of the bigger Adidas AAU teams and been going to an Adidas prep school.
Look out below!
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
WHOAAAA - -really? - ok , Ok , Ok - I'm not going to start getting worked up - - -I'm not - - I'm not lol
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
WHOAAAA - -really? - ok , Ok , Ok - I'm not going to start getting worked up - - -I'm not - - I'm not lol
Yes, be patient on this one. We probably won't know much until July at the earliest. He still has to get all his coursework done. The good news is Hillcrest has a reputation of.. ummmm.... making it happen
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
WHOAAAA - -really? - ok , Ok , Ok - I'm not going to start getting worked up - - -I'm not - - I'm not lol
Yes, be patient on this one. We probably won't know much until July at the earliest. He still has to get all his coursework done. The good news is Hillcrest has a reputation of.. ummmm.... making it happen
Adidas version of Oak Hill? :joy:
Something like that! I can say Oak Hill is pretty rigorous. They don't mess around up there. More like a military academy than basketball factory.
So @jayballer73 what happened to Apollo Jackson? Has he signed with anyone yet?
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
WHOAAAA - -really? - ok , Ok , Ok - I'm not going to start getting worked up - - -I'm not - - I'm not lol
Yes, be patient on this one. We probably won't know much until July at the earliest. He still has to get all his coursework done. The good news is Hillcrest has a reputation of.. ummmm.... making it happen
ya I know buddy. - -it's just I've liked Kyree for some time but just wasn't sure about him coming here. - -I've looked a little more since you posted - -read a few remarks - comments on him , a lot of which I already knew, Ryan you know who that is said he felt like it would be late but felt fairly confident that we just might land him . I mean again I knew it would be late because he said he really wasn't really even focusing on it right now.
I fully understand but I do appreciate the info. - So let me ask , do you know , have you heard anything on would Kyree be ok as far as academics so he would be able to qualify - is he ok on the academic side? - All I know the kid is a stud.
Someone else posted - -think off the Phog , that Kyree also has that little bit of edge/attitude. - I've said this before - -I like that. - I like someone who is good and KNOWS he is good. - If you got game and you know you got game - - BRING IT bad boy - -get somec as long as he doesn't go over the edge with it - -a little cockiness doesn't hurt anyone get a little tiresome to see some of the player that really don't show a lot of emotion - -somebody with that fire in their gut - -Kyree has that. - let's hope we can work it out. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Marco said:
So @jayballer73 what happened to Apollo Jackson? Has he signed with anyone yet?
DON'T THINK SO
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Speaking of Kyree Walker, Jerry Meyer just put in a CB pick for KU.
WHOAAAA - -really? - ok , Ok , Ok - I'm not going to start getting worked up - - -I'm not - - I'm not lol
Yes, be patient on this one. We probably won't know much until July at the earliest. He still has to get all his coursework done. The good news is Hillcrest has a reputation of.. ummmm.... making it happen
ya I know buddy. - -it's just I've liked Kyree for some time but just wasn't sure about him coming here. - -I've looked a little more since you posted - -read a few remarks - comments on him , a lot of which I already knew, Ryan you know who that is said he felt like it would be late but felt fairly confident that we just might land him . I mean again I knew it would be late because he said he really wasn't really even focusing on it right now.
I fully understand but I do appreciate the info. - So let me ask , do you know , have you heard anything on would Kyree be ok as far as academics so he would be able to qualify - is he ok on the academic side? - All I know the kid is a stud.
Someone else posted - -think off the Phog , that Kyree also has that little bit of edge/attitude. - I've said this before - -I like that. - I like someone who is good and KNOWS he is good. - If you got game and you know you got game - - BRING IT bad boy - -get somec as long as he doesn't go over the edge with it - -a little cockiness doesn't hurt anyone get a little tiresome to see some of the player that really don't show a lot of emotion - -somebody with that fire in their gut - -Kyree has that. - let's hope we can work it out. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yeah, my impression is that if he graduates on time from Hillcrest everything will be fine academically. But it's not a lock he will get it all done by the time he would have to get to KU. I also wouldn't entirely rule out him coming mid-year a la Silvio if he needs to clean up a course or two.
You know , even though it has been as crazy as it has been this recruiting year - -- so many misses , yet it is almost mind boggling to even begin to think that even after ALL of this they we ( KU ) good STILL end up with a pretty dam good recruiting year - -even now if we can just get a couple of things to swing our way for once this year. - hard for me to even comprehend.
If things were to happen and play out right , and we should happen to still be able to pull Wilson & Walker into this class -- - get Devon to come back - We would still have a pretty dam salty bunch - -here is hoping. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@FarmerJayhawk If he comes mid year can he still declare for the draft? Or does he have to be a full calendar year out of HS?
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk If he comes mid year can he still declare for the draft? Or does he have to be a full calendar year out of HS?
He can declare. It's a year removed for your class, so since he would be in the class of 2019, he'd be eligible for the 2020 draft.
Enaruna, Braun, McBride, SDS, Grimes and Dotson. Now that’s a class anyone would be envious of!
More to come?
Gorilla72 said:
Enaruna, Braun, McBride, SDS, Grimes and Dotson. Now that’s a class anyone would be envious of!
Nor to come?
We want Wilson & Kyree Walker
OK, so I was too fast on Grimes. My bad...
Well now that's out of the way - -time to cinch it up - -Get Jalen to commit here - then get after Kyree , we be good to go. - -Need to hit it out of the Park with Jalen - -here tomorrow. - - we still really need those two spots. - - The small forward ( Jalen ) - -and then my boy Kyree at the 2. LET'S DO THIS. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Bill Self is down in Texas right now. Jalen Wilson lives in Texas. :thinking:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Bill Self is down in Texas right now. Jalen Wilson lives in Texas. :thinking:
Hmmmm , Buddy wonder why? - -Jalen is suppose to be here Tomorrow , whz up with that I wonder? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Bill Self is down in Texas right now. Jalen Wilson lives in Texas. :thinking:
Self is probably putting RJ’s dad in pile driver would be my guess.
rockchalkwyo said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Bill Self is down in Texas right now. Jalen Wilson lives in Texas. :thinking:
Self is probably putting RJ’s dad in pile driver would be my guess.
LMAO - -that's a good one buddy -- but seriously - wonder why?
rockchalkwyo said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Bill Self is down in Texas right now. Jalen Wilson lives in Texas. :thinking:
Self is probably putting RJ’s dad in pile driver would be my guess.
LOL.
Well I see someone - - don't know who , must have changed their CB pick on Jalen. - we were at 50% for Michigan - - - - and 39% - for KU - -now I see it's 50 % for Michigan - -to 33 % for KU - means someone must of changed to cloudy from KU
It was Evan Daniels unfortunately
He will take both visits is the recent report. Makes sense to shift to cloudy.
Still think we get him at the end.
And I don't think we end up offering Hyland unless he goes to prep school, which at this point might be the most likely outcome. Would be a RS candidate here anyway.
@jayballer73 he's been in Australia, maybe he's coming back home
FarmerJayhawk said:
And I don't think we end up offering Hyland unless he goes to prep school, which at this point might be the most likely outcome. Would be a RS candidate here anyway.
I mentioned this somewhere recently, can't remember exactly where. But it makes a ton of sense. He's a guy that really needs to get stronger and develop. Will be a fantastic college player but not right away.
Time for our best recruiters to stand up to the plate - -hit the slam with Jalen. - - -Time for our best closers to step on the mound and close the deal with Jalen -- let's do this , no pussy footing around. - Time to come Home Jalen - become part of Jay hawk Nation. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
And jalen can tell his buddy how crazy it is to play at AFH! How fun McCarthy hall is w/out your parents! And how all the students think you are hot stuff and you have great tutors. Hudy has transformed your body and you have the best new family one could have! Rock Chalk!
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Yeah I posted this in another thread.
THINGS ARE HEATING UP DAWG
lock city
FarmerJayhawk said:
lock city
don't put the hex on us buddy lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Hopefully kyree has normal parents
Actually heard a rumor Walker will be in town this weekend but I don’t put much stock into it.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Actually heard a rumor Walker will be in town this weekend but I don’t put much stock into it.
He is plan on visiting today
@jayballer73 @Texas-Hawk-10 I know you guys were mentioning it on instinct but it seems there is smoke picking up for Jalen Wilson indeed potentially ending up back at Michigan. Certainly something to keep an eye on. Michigan people are confident.
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Actually heard a rumor Walker will be in town this weekend but I don’t put much stock into it.
He is plan on visiting today
Wilson, not Walker.
BShark said:
@jayballer73 @Texas-Hawk-10 I know you guys were mentioning it on instinct but it seems there is smoke picking up for Jalen Wilson indeed potentially ending up back at Michigan. Certainly something to keep an eye on. Michigan people are confident.
I’ll be more nervous if Howard actually schedules a visit with him. As of now it’s really just KU and UNC involved really seriously.
@jayballer73 I don't think he is going to sign with us. We'll zero in and try to nab Walker, concentrate on the '20 class.
BShark said:
@jayballer73 @Texas-Hawk-10 I know you guys were mentioning it on instinct but it seems there is smoke picking up for Jalen Wilson indeed potentially ending up back at Michigan. Certainly something to keep an eye on. Michigan people are confident.
ya that's what I'm afraid of - -just got this feeling with the hiring of Howard - he re-commits.
Kinda sucks Cause the MAIN two that had recruited him is gone , - -we shall see
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 @Texas-Hawk-10 I know you guys were mentioning it on instinct but it seems there is smoke picking up for Jalen Wilson indeed potentially ending up back at Michigan. Certainly something to keep an eye on. Michigan people are confident.
I’ll be more nervous if Howard actually schedules a visit with him. As of now it’s really just KU and UNC involved really seriously.
From what I've read Howard DOES have a visit scheduled with him. - I believe it is on the 5th after he gets back from N Carolina.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 @Texas-Hawk-10 I know you guys were mentioning it on instinct but it seems there is smoke picking up for Jalen Wilson indeed potentially ending up back at Michigan. Certainly something to keep an eye on. Michigan people are confident.
I’ll be more nervous if Howard actually schedules a visit with him. As of now it’s really just KU and UNC involved really seriously.
My bad buddy, went and checked again - -no I can't see where he has anything set with them - - -YET - -it is the N Carolina visit that I mistook it for - he is visiting them the 3rd-5th of June,
Kind of funny Michigan fans seem to think they have a leg up on Ku & UNC because of the playing time Jalen where he said he wasn't coming to a school to sit. - -that's where they think they have the leg up - figuring he will get more time at Michigan then of the either Schools. - -Sorry I'm not seeing that at KU -- I think he steps right in and starts here. -- - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well , for what it's worth. - -Just checked 247 sports and I see that we re-gained our CB Pick. - -Not sure who it was but someone has given us a CB pick for Jalen since this morning. - -The way it is now is - - - -Michigan is at 44 % - -down for 50 % this morning - -and KU - -is now at 39 % - -back up from 33 % this morning so there you go. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Well , for what it's worth. - -Just checked 247 sports and I see that we re-gained our CB Pick. - -Not sure who it was but someone has given us a CB pick for Jalen since this morning. - -The way it is now is - - - -Michigan is at 44 % - -down for 50 % this morning - -and KU - -is now at 39 % - -back up from 33 % this morning so there you go. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It was Kevin Flaherty
JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
Well , for what it's worth. - -Just checked 247 sports and I see that we re-gained our CB Pick. - -Not sure who it was but someone has given us a CB pick for Jalen since this morning. - -The way it is now is - - - -Michigan is at 44 % - -down for 50 % this morning - -and KU - -is now at 39 % - -back up from 33 % this morning so there you go. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It was Kevin Flaherty
TY - - appreciated.
Jalentweeted out -- Lawrence what's good. - - Offical recruiting visit began like 30 minutes ago was suppose to arrive at 7:30 - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Very high ceiling kind of kid. Hasn't been playing basketball very long. French national. He's about 6'10 235 now with a 7'2 wingspan. Suuuuper skilled but raw for his size. Reminds me some of Kerry Blackshear.
I'll ask my charter school peeps in Salem what they know and report back.
@FarmerJayhawk Appreciated. In trying to piece stuff together here I did some looking online. He announced a final four schools previously about a week ago. It would appear that he cut Georgia from that list and added KU.
That's a big dude who can run the floor. Interesting
Nah'shon Hyland will choose between Uconn and VCU next week. No KU here
BeddieKU23 said:
Nah'shon Hyland will choose between Uconn and VCU next week. No KU here
Tells you how much they like McBride.
Bilau look really good shooting in a storage room on a rim that's bent down three inches in the front ...
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/josaphat-bilau-233297 ↗
Dated 9/2018, but good info, “A promising junior campaign ended early for Parisian center Josaphat Bilau, as the former Riverdale Baptist student injured himself last season. Losing a skilled, 6’10”, 245 pound performer was devastating to the Crusaders, while being shelved seemingly stunted his on court development.
Yes, and no.
True, playing would have put him on the radar of more schools, given Riverdale being a known DMV recruiting spot. Nevertheless, via Summer 2017 and running with Team Thrill in ’18, scholarship offers from Kansas state, Georgetown, Illinois, Penn State and Texas Tech have been received. NC State, WVU, Louisville, Maryland Wake Forest and Gonzaga have all shown interest.
That love is predicated on Bilau’s ability to play away and near the cup, including shooting, passing and attacking via face up, while also scoring though jump hooks/shots in the painted area. This Class of 2019 guy can rebound, is solid running the floor and defending the rim from a weakside position.
Recruiters see Catch 22 problem with Bilau; given his immense skill set and stated desire to use it, Josephat can find himself floating away from the interior. Add a need to get stronger as necessary improvement, another issue that can be addressed in college.
Bilau has left Riverdale, planning to attend prep school in North Carolina. He has the chops to be a national level recruit.”
I'm fine with taking a project big. Plenty of guys for this year but lots of looming uncertainty. If he doesn't come along you move on after a year but he could easily be part of the post rotation in the 20-21 season.
BShark said:
I'm fine with taking a project big. Plenty of guys for this year but lots of looming uncertainty. If he doesn't come along you move on after a year but he could easily be part of the post rotation in the 20-21 season.
Exactly. He’ll be the 12th or 13th guy if he even makes it to KU and KU offers.
Creeper Shay confirmed he plans to visit KU.
I think tonto just trolls the web for old news. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21
Shay got to him? Welp
FarmerJayhawk said:
I think tonto just trolls the web for old news. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21
Shay got to him? Welp
You might be right. I've heard he is an old coach though.
Shay tweet: 🐦 View Tweet
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Appreciated. In trying to piece stuff together here I did some looking online. He announced a final four schools previously about a week ago. It would appear that he cut Georgia from that list and added KU.
who are the other 3 schools buddy?
BeddieKU23 said:
Dang looks like the guy is pretty decent size - - maybe my eyes going bad. - -when I mean decent size, from this picture anyways looks solid - I dunno - -like the body frame
BeddieKU23 said:
Well , now you did it - - lol you just had to go and put this hi-lite reel on here huh? lol - - I know it's just me but from what I seen the kid looks decent. - I think what surprised me probably more then anything was his range - -got a lil 3 pt shooting ability - -looked pretty smooth with it. - -runs the floor pretty well - - -ha a little rim protection - - - finishes at the rim - - - having said about his 3 pt ability - -wouldn't want him to be jacking a lot of 3's though lol. - -However - he is a 5? right? - - if true - -could be he could move out some - pull the opposing big man out away from the basket.
Not sure how he would fit for this year though - we got quality 5's already - -Maybe a 4? - I dunno - would be a decent pick up though - who knows? - -looks athletic. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Looks like his list has expanded according to Bedore.
Josaphat Bilau, 6-10 originally from France, now at SPIRE Institute in Ohio, tells me he has a list of KU, Georgia, Wake Forest, Pitt, Nevada and West Va. and he is working on setting up a visit to KU. We'll see if anything develops here. KU has 3 schollies available.
@jayballer73 And you already have the nickname ready: “Jumpin’ Gee Josaphat”
tis4tim said:
@jayballer73 And you already have the nickname ready: “Jumpin’ Gee Josaphat”
Oh god Hanni is going to rupture my ear drums
tis4tim said:
@jayballer73 And you already have the nickname ready: “Jumpin’ Gee Josaphat”
-- -LOl - - not that is a good one lol -- Touche budy - -I like it lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Looks like his list has expanded according to Bedore.
Josaphat Bilau, 6-10 originally from France, now at SPIRE Institute in Ohio, tells me he has a list of KU, Georgia, Wake Forest, Pitt, Nevada and West Va. and he is working on setting up a visit to KU. We'll see if anything develops here. KU has 3 schollies available.
Well he looks decent. - -I guess I'm just to easy to convince. - but man says he is looking to make a decision in Early June - and he is still sitting up a visit for here? - - Man that gonna be quick.
I thought he had removed Georgia when he added us. Don't think probably he will land here - -I dunno though I'm sure he knows he needs to develop - -maybe he will be willing to come in and work play some spot minutes. - -looks like he is athletic - -can protect the rim some - nice stroke - -finishes at the rim - -could be decent in time
Ok so here’s what I’ve gathered so far. My connection at his former HS in Winston Salem said he’s a pretty unassuming kid. He hasn’t been in the US for long and as a black French guy moving into the American South, he had a bit of a rough go of it. Just culture shock. This is a charter school with a pretty stringent disciplinary structure, so just wasn’t a good fit. I didn’t hear of any handler/guardian issues.
He’s really ambitious though, unlike a lot of French guys. From a basketball standpoint, he’s a pretty quick learner and takes to the perimeter aspects of the game more quickly than the post. Which is common. He’s not a jump out of the gym athlete. More of a smooth player. They think he may end up around 7’0. Needs to get stronger, but shouldn’t be a problem once he gets into a legit S&C program. I was told his frame is “a sight to behold.” And this is my opinion, but once he gets some legit coaching and conditioning, this could he a steal. Worst case, he doesn’t develop and leaves.
At the end of the video he says “one and done”. He won’t due that with a path through Kansas. He’s 4th or 5th BIG at best in 2019/20.
@jayballer73. Jumpin' Josaphat,,, it's a gas, gas, gaaaasss!!
Don’t see anything wrong with taking a flyer and hopefully you can talk him into taking a redshirt. Put on some weight / muscle and work on his game for a year.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Ok so here’s what I’ve gathered so far. My connection at his former HS in Winston Salem said he’s a pretty unassuming kid. He hasn’t been in the US for long and as a black French guy moving into the American South, he had a bit of a rough go of it. Just culture shock. This is a charter school with a pretty stringent disciplinary structure, so just wasn’t a good fit. I didn’t hear of any handler/guardian issues.
He’s really ambitious though, unlike a lot of French guys. From a basketball standpoint, he’s a pretty quick learner and takes to the perimeter aspects of the game more quickly than the post. Which is common. He’s not a jump out of the gym athlete. More of a smooth player. They think he may end up around 7’0. Needs to get stronger, but shouldn’t be a problem once he gets into a legit S&C program. I was told his frame is “a sight to behold.” And this is my opinion, but once he gets some legit coaching and conditioning, this could he a steal. Worst case, he doesn’t develop and leaves.
So somewhere late yesterday after I seen this I know I rea where he said he wants to make a decision by early June.- Mercy did you see that? - he hasn't even visited KU yet - gonna be fast decision if he wants to makes his decision that quick
Marco said:
@jayballer73. Jumpin' Josaphat,,, it's a gas, gas, gaaaasss!!
Oh Lord. Now we gotta get him. :grin:
approxinfinity said:
Marco said:
@jayballer73. Jumpin' Josaphat,,, it's a gas, gas, gaaaasss!!
Oh Lord. Now we gotta get him. :grin:
Brian Hanni: McBride throws the alley and LOOK OUT BILAU the oop is put home.
Well hope Jalen enjoyed his visit. - -Didn't hear hardly anything should be leaving soon - -hope we made a really good impression. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
... somehow anything Hanni says makes me think of the snobbing guy a the country club talking about Buffy and her polo pony.
I really like Hanni.
HighEliteMajor said:
... somehow anything Hanni says makes me think of the snobbing guy a the country club talking about Buffy and her polo pony.
spittake
jayballer73 said:
Well hope Jalen enjoyed his visit. - -Didn't hear hardly anything should be leaving soon - -hope we made a really good impression. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Who is in the bottom pic?
Dad looks👀 thrilled😳
Someone is going to have to tell me what the stupid hand signs mean.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Who is in the bottom pic?
Some guy
I hope it’s not TJ’s replacement .. or maybe I do🤔
@HighEliteMajor you are not cool or a young guy. But that's ok. Some have it and some don't. They aren't doing gang signs.🤣
@HighEliteMajor TJ?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@HighEliteMajor you are not cool or a young guy. But that's ok. Some have it and some don't. They aren't doing gang signs.🤣
As in TJ Gassnola, our .. uh .. former associate with Adidas.
I’ve surmised you’re not a young gal either, but you are kinda cool ...
@HighEliteMajor for sure! Really cool!🤪
What? There are women in here? (time to go politically-incorrect) Pics?
@Marco Shame shame we know your name.
And yes @Crimsonorblue22 is a nice lady. :blush:
BShark said:
@Marco Shame shame we know your name.
And yes @Crimsonorblue22 is a nice lady. :blush:
Joke!
Marco said:
And yes @Crimsonorblue22 is a nice lady. :blush:
Joke!
I know, right! Crimson, nice, what a joke.
Well guys , I hate to be a guy that pee's on peoples parades BUT - - -I'm just not feeling it with Jalen. I just don't get that feel he is coming here. - -You would of thought he might of at least said that he had a good visit on his twitter or something - - been really quiet on it from other KU fans/people - -just noting being said period. - -unlike when Rayjon Tucker was here it was lighting up - - -just real quiet - the only thing I seen was when he was coming in and he said - - Whx up Lawrence? - -basically it.
Read N Carolina board - -pretty mixed over their about 50/50 thinking he might go there. - -Had to laugh at one of the posters made the remark that he had wanted N Carolina the 1st time around. -Thought not sure what article you seen that but best read again. - -He had made the comment that before he visited Michigan he was pretty set on KU - -talked about how he really liked the Morris twins.
I have just felt this for awhile now - -I think with Michigan hiring Howard - -and Howard having set up a time to talk with him - - I just really think Jalen ends up re-committing to Michigan - I hate it , but I think is going to stay put. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Tucker's attention to social media didn't help us.
He has his UNC visit followed by a decision. I figure they are going to keep quiet until the decision is reached. Hopefully some info from the staff leaks out about their confidence in getting him
Per usual, KU killed the visit :)
@FarmerJayhawk Making a decision after UNC visit?
@KirkIsMyHinrich yessir. Juwan Howard will try for an in-home and Wilson may take it but I don't think they're a serious player as of now.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Per usual, KU killed the visit :)
Roy will...something stronger than kill it I bet.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Per usual, KU killed the visit :)
Roy will...something stronger than kill it I bet.
Well according to Wilson the two most important things are his role and impact on the team. If that's true then it would be hard to find a better place than KU next season. I'm skeptical, though. I'm sure there's a little bit of green tint in his sunglasses.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Per usual, KU killed the visit :)
Roy will...something stronger than kill it I bet.
He'll try. UNC has never had visits as good as KU. UNC has to have a good answer for Wilson's role, which is far from a sure thing since Roy signed like 5 perimeter players already in 2019 and Roy sold them all on immediate PT, with the exception of Francis.
UNC's maxed at 13 scholarships right now. So would UNC's pitch to Wilson, other than a few bags of cash, be playing time for the 2020 season?
Shea Rush would go back to being a walk-on
From txhawk on the phog
"According to Williamson's HS coach, who I worked with directly for 6 years, Sam (and more so his mother) did not get a good vibe on their official visit. The mom felt like KU wasn't making him a high enough priority at the time. Louisville quickly told Sam what he wanted to hear, and the deal was done. "
Lines up with stuff I was seeing at the time (albeit from more suspicious posters) and wooooof.
BShark said:
From txhawk on the phog
"According to Williamson's HS coach, who I worked with directly for 6 years, Sam (and more so his mother) did not get a good vibe on their official visit. The mom felt like KU wasn't making him a high enough priority at the time. Louisville quickly told Sam what he wanted to hear, and the deal was done. "
Lines up with stuff I was seeing at the time (albeit from more suspicious posters) and wooooof.
I heard Self pushed hard for a commitment and drove Sam's mom bananas. Not good in hindsight. Doesn't really solve our problem at the 2 (though there's a reasonable argument that sophomore Ochai > freshman Williamson) but definitely would make Wilson a non-factor. Oh well.
@FarmerJayhawk I think he'd be nice to have but yeah I think the main concern right now is a capable secondary ball handler that can shoot. Does anyone even possibly fill that role but Kyree Walker? We need Walker badly.
I'd be ecstatic with Walker, taking a flier on that Bilau kid (seems to me like he is trying to recruit KU more than the other way around perhaps) and having an open scholarship.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I think he'd be nice to have but yeah I think the main concern right now is a capable secondary ball handler that can shoot. Does anyone even possibly fill that role but Kyree Walker?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-mathis-1.html ↗
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I think he'd be nice to have but yeah I think the main concern right now is a capable secondary ball handler that can shoot. Does anyone even possibly fill that role but Kyree Walker?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-mathis-1.html ↗
He basically said he's going to Oregon to play with his best friend Pritchard.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I think he'd be nice to have but yeah I think the main concern right now is a capable secondary ball handler that can shoot. Does anyone even possibly fill that role but Kyree Walker?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-mathis-1.html ↗
He basically said he's going to Oregon to play with his best friend Pritchard.
I did no more research than reading a tweet lol
Bossi picked KU for Jalen Wilson today on rivals
rockchalkwyo said:
Bossi picked KU for Jalen Wilson today on rivals
I'm worried about Michigan like @jayballer73 now
Walker is reclassifying, it’s a matter of when he can get the work done. He could very well be a mid-year guy.
Edit: mid, not kid
FarmerJayhawk said:
Walker is reclassifying, it’s a matter of when he can get the work done. He could very well be a kid-year guy.
Really hope it doesn't go on that long.
@FarmerJayhawk - what is a “kid-year” guy?
He meant mid-year like Silvio
@Gorilla72 I’m so glad you asked that!🤣
@BShark , @FarmerJayhawk - thanks!
Cory Evans saying he feels Kyree will stay in the class of 2020
Carolina just blowin Jalen's twitter ALL UP
jayballer73 said:
Cory Evans saying he feels Kyree will stay in the class of 2020
I like Corey, I disagree though. KU wants him to pretty badly, and Hillcrest can make it happen if Walker works at it. Like I said awhile ago, don’t count out a mid year reclass. I’m not sure how interested KU would be in that situation unless they miss on Wilson and have a couple scholarships laying around.
Corey still thinks KU is landing Stanley, Precious and Hurt.
Not a big fan of the mid-year reclass. If you want to do it go all in and do it, don't half-ass it. Kind of a metaphor on life, really.
Bilau has scheduled a visit to KU.
Whoaa - -was just doing my daily surfing and came across 247 sports - - See been activity with Kyree. - - The CB had been Arkansas at - 33% - Arizona - - 33% -& - -KU - -@ 33%
Now the CB shows KU at - -50 % - -Arkansas at - -25 % -- &- -Arizona at - -25 % - -like the looks of that - -NOW we just got to get him to reclassify. - -It was Chris Fisher that put his pick in for KU. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Bilau has scheduled a visit to KU.
Don’t have a date yet.
@FarmerJayhawk Oh? I don't and will never pay Shay so I couldn't actually read his article. Made it seem like a date was set though.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Oh? I don't and will never pay Shay so I couldn't actually read his article. Made it seem like a date was set though.
Idk what Shay said but I do know a date hasn’t been set yet. Also KU likes this kid a lot as a project.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Oh? I don't and will never pay Shay so I couldn't actually read his article. Made it seem like a date was set though.
Idk what Shay said but I do know a date hasn’t been set yet. Also KU likes this kid a lot as a project.
Gotta wonder who is paying to keep the lights on over there heh.
I like him a lot too the more I see. I think you have him essentially take this year off while developing and he could very well be in the top 3 of the post rotation next year. He's athletic and can shoot it a little bit, decent passer.
@BShark I like what I saw of him. - like you said seems athletic , can protect the rim some - seems to have some range although I wouldn't want to have to count on him in the home stretch of a tight game from range lol - -would be nice to have a 3-4 yr player like himself . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@FarmerJayhawk you're right, Shay is a hack. My bad.
Sooo Wilson had a good time in Chapel Hill (it’s hard not to tbh) but the hot rumor is it’s all KU
FarmerJayhawk said:
Sooo Wilson had a good time in Chapel Hill (it’s hard not to tbh) but the hot rumor is it’s all KU
NO - -not a good time - -an AMAZING time lol
Hyland ended up at VCU. Have a feeling he'll be good in a few years. Big pick up for them
😎😎😎 🐦 View Tweet?s=21
Have we heard this before?
@Crimsonorblue22 I banged my head on the table until I forgot about last time... so I'm ready to be disappointed again.
So when is he popping for Duke Lol
Early next week for Wilson. I’d be really surprised if it wasn’t Kansas.
@FarmerJayhawk Twitter hype got me thinking it would be today or this weekend sometime. I guess I can go to the grocery store now then.
Read this from a poster of the Phog. - -Pretty spot on I think I could see/go with this. What you think?
If the Scenario played out and Wilson & Moss both ended up here:
Center : - - -Azubuike - - McCormack
PF : - - - - - -DeSousa- - Lightfoot
SF : - - - - - - Wilson - - -Garrett - - Enaruna
SG : - - - - - - Ochai - - - --Moss - - Braun
PG - - - - - - - -Dotson- - - McBride
Looks like that would be a pretty dam salty group , Does many of you think McBride gonna get a lot of Quality minutes this year? - - could happen. - -If this is how things turned out probably see Braun RS -- yes? -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Wednesday at 2 for Wilson
Boom
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I banged my head on the table until I forgot about last time... so I'm ready to be disappointed again.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Wednesday at 2 for Wilson
And there we go , Well looks like I was wrong - well hopefully - -so let me have it throw rocks bombs anything I'll gladly take it if it turns out like hopefully it does. - I was dead set he was going back to Michigan
Just doesn't seem to fit with this time frame - -unless Juwan gets that in home over the weekend think they are done and out. - -Do Schools visit recruits in home over the weekends? - I'll take all the bunk you want to hand me - -be really sweet if we land him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Well, the date is set and we didn't hear anything about a visit with Howard. You wouldn't think they would set a date and then take visits. That's said...with this recruiting cycle...I assume NOTHING good for KU ya know?
Howard also can’t recruit yet since he hasn’t passed the NCAA exam
@FarmerJayhawk So no in-home with Jalen. I think it's between us and the Breakers.
@KirkIsMyHinrich #toosoon
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Well, the date is set and we didn't hear anything about a visit with Howard. You wouldn't think they would set a date and then take visits. That's said...with this recruiting cycle...I assume NOTHING good for KU ya know?
probably pretty solid thinking on your part. - The last I knew was they were trying to get some kind of a date set - -but heard nothing more - I think that maybe losing the top two that was really involved with his recruitment just really sealed their fate - -like you I just can't take anything for granted until he actually commits.
Even with him announcing I guess really all we got is his verbal word right? - -I don't think they have to sign an LOI right now sign the actual recruiting period is over do they? - -man would be nice to finish this year getting him to come and then Moss. - I mean how crazy is this , here we are and we still recruiting trying to get our 2091 roster on the 7th of June - - - JUMIN - - GEE - - HOSSA - - FATS.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Howard also can’t recruit yet since he hasn’t passed the NCAA exam
That's a killer for them - -hell I didn't even know of anything like that - -shows how much I know lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So got a question. With the way things now look to be playing out , - - if they do indeed come to being true , the question now becomes for me anyways. Do we continue to recruit Josaphat Belau for our 13th scholli limit player?
I know if Wilson and Moss both commit - -that would leave us with ONE. Do we try and get the kid to take it - -I would think it would be worth the shot , get him to come - -redshirt him and work with him and develop think he could be a good 3-4 yr player - - has he set his visit date? - -do we still pursue him or do we back off? - I'd stay on him I think for the upcoming years. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Yes we absolutely should. Need bigs in the pipeline for the season after next
@jayballer73 assuming his grades are fine, 100% I’d take Bilau. It’s a no risk play. If he doesn’t develop he walks, if he does you’ve got something for another 4 years (assuming he redshirts) moving forward. Best case he turns into Kerry Blackshear.
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 assuming his grades are fine, 100% I’d take Bilau. It’s a no risk play. If he doesn’t develop he walks, if he does you’ve got something for another 4 years (assuming he redshirts) moving forward. Best case he turns into Kerry Blackshear.
Actually like his J - got a little range. For sure there is a lot hell of worse players out there. - You can see he has some tools - just needs a little work
@jayballer73 - Yes, it is late in the game. However, there are decent, 3-4 year players left from which to choose. UNC has spots open, Michigan, maybe Memphis, etc. I’m just pleased HCBS can scrabble this together. Heck, with Moss and Wilson, it’s a Top 5-10 team. And there’s still an open scholarship for a developmental guy.
My (our?) personal stress aside, waiting could have helped KU turn out a fantastic team.. 🤔
Also curious... it doesn’t look like Jalen Wilson is following anything KU related on Twitter. 🤔
Probably means nothing (or it means these eyes aren’t working well this late) 🙄
Gun shy at this point.....
Gorilla72 said:
Also curious... it doesn’t look like Jalen Wilson is following anything KU related on Twitter. 🤔
Probably means nothing (or it means these eyes aren’t working well this late) 🙄
Gun shy at this point.....
I wouldn't really rea a lot in that. - Everything looking like good - but like others have said snake bit before this season. - -however we also have to remember Jalen had KU written all over him the 1st time before he ended up committing to Michigan, look this way he went to Michigan - when KU was all over him the 1st time -- he gets his release THIS time and Ku is ONE of the only TWO visits he took - I think you combining those two scenarios together - think we are sitting ok - on top of the fact - -I sure haven't really seen anything on the North Carolina boards where they ar thumping their chests which would give me any thought that they are feeling good about their chances. - -So just have to wait - -crazy season. - - ROC CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Man, if this late in the freaking game we get both Wilson and Moss as well as Bilau, are you kidding me? Anyway, it looks like the bad press - at least for us - is finally coming to an end. Add a monster class in '20 to the guys that we have and that we might be signing and look out! I already liked our team for this coming season, and that was without adding those guys.
Bilau visited Tennessee, he reported an offer but I'm not too sure how commit-able it is.
I have to think as a Jayhawk fan the worst possible scenario we could hear would be - - - -Jalen coming out an saying he was delaying his commitment. - Which if he indeed said that could only mean Juwan had actually got a time sit up to be able to talk to Jalen. - -That would be a nightmare. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Someone mentioned the NCAA exam for Howard to be able to recruit, which is true. Look, I don't blame Michigan for wanting to make a splash hire, but have any of these NBA guys made good college coaches? They might as well go ahead and sign off on their upcoming NCAA allegations and get it over with.
Well read this from a poster off the phog , and I sit back and thought about it - - -pondered some on it , and thought hmmmm I suppose what he said could have some validity , I mean it wouldn't be totally out of the realm of possibility. - -Now Steve not trying to upset you - -just relaying this thought from another Ku/poster buddy - and just saying his thought COULD and again I'm saying it will - -but COULD come to light:
This posters thought process was this: He said he had heard we never really came out and offered Moss the 1st go around - - -yes or no - - -I seriously don't know if we did or not , so he says he is not really that sure we will strongly persue him the 2nd go around - -his reasoning is - - - - -- 1st he thinks that we was focusing on Jalen more then anything - -which it looks like could pay off BUT after Jalen , he is raising the thought/possibility that we might instead of Moss use our other Scholli's on the development - project of someone like Josaphat Belau - - then possibly just holding the last one for the possibility of re-classification - -I'm assuming he is talking about Walker.
Now I think more likely then not we try to get Moss -and Wilson and then possibly Josaphat - -and leave Walker in 2020 - -BUT the only thing I wanted to mention was I mean he is just not insane - and had some valid possibility - - I mean it could HAPPEN not likely but at least made SOME sense - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 So we're not going to offer Moss because we need another big? We already have 5 bigs for 2 spots, and we have 5 guards ( 2 freshmen included) for 3 spots. My question is...can Jalen play the 2? Can Ochai play the 2? And I would say no to both. So, when was the last time that Bill only had 1 good ball handling guard in the lineup? Like...never? Now, Marcus can definitely play the 2, but he's not the greatest at shooting. And Moss has more experience than any guard we have, and he is pretty good at shooting.
KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 So we're not going to offer Moss because we need another big? We already have 5 bigs for 2 spots, and we have 5 guards ( 2 freshmen included) for 3 spots. My question is...can Jalen play the 2? Can Ochai play the 2? And I would say no to both. So, when was the last time that Bill only had 1 good ball handling guard in the lineup? Like...never? Now, Marcus can definitely play the 2, but he's not the greatest at shooting. And Moss has more experience than any guard we have, and he is pretty good at shooting.
Easy Johnny , I'm only passing this along - not necessarily MY thoughts. - - All I said was the poster made some valid points - -don't be getting the ol britches all twisted up to tight lol.
I think the way he is looking at it the big they might be trying to get or would be trying wouldn't even be playing this year. - This is the developmental player that they would red shirt next year and let him develop for the following year when we wouldn't have the 5 bigs you talking about. -- We would be losing Doke - -Chances are we will lose Silvio - - and then Mitch graduates - -so there goes 3-5 your talking about with only McCormack and Wilson back - -if they get this kid, and he is coming for a visit by the way - -90% chance he red shits next year - -but that Scholi would go to him - makes sense to me.
Yes Ochai could play the 2 if necessary - -Jalen already been talked about how he can play multiple positions and the 2 has been one of the positions mentioned so ya from the sounds of it he could play the 2 at times also - -like I said don't hate the player - - -hate the game roflmao -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well good ol Fran tweeted out about an hour ago. Moss opening up his recruitment and saying looks like Kansas is the favorite.
Ol Fran right up to date lol - -nothing better then a day late and a dollar short - -tell us something we haven't already heard lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Nothing big really but kind of looks as our competition might be throwing in the towels - -the fans I'm talking about for Jalen.
Off the Michigan board - -hasn't been any comment about the possibility Jalen re-committing to Michigan for 2 days -- & North Carolina fans -- little comment on him - -and most the one's said are about looking likely for KU - -only other comments are typical starting to throw the cheap jabs - - typical after you realize you have lost out on a recruit lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
You guys already metioned that the time and date is set for Wilson's announcement right? https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Recruiting-Decision-date-time-info-for-KU-basketball-target-Jalen-Wilson-132706231/ ↗
That article also talks about Grimes possibly transfering to Texas A&M or Houston.
@approxinfinity Surprised Sampson hasn't already shot him off a text.
Playa Daniels changed his CB pick back to KU.
BShark said:
Playa Daniels changed his CB pick back to KU.
🔒🔒🔒
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
Playa Daniels changed his CB pick back to KU.
🔒🔒🔒
:eyes: Who have you heard from?
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
Playa Daniels changed his CB pick back to KU.
🔒🔒🔒
:eyes: Who have you heard from?
Nobody who thinks UNC or Michigan has a prayer. UNC folks felt they needed to blow Wilson away and then some, but they don’t think they had a super clear role for Wilson in year 1 and the relationship between Wilson/UNC never really took off like he and Self (who took a very personal role on this one) and Wilson & family.
BShark said:
Playa Daniels changed his CB pick back to KU.
hopefully that means the word is out! I think it does
If Wilson commits who do you all think starts in the backcourt besides Dotson? I would like it to be Moss and Agbaji but I have a feeling that Jalen may start.
@KirkIsMyHinrich Starting - Dok, Silvio, Wilson (who I am happy to be wrong about, and we are signing), Dotson and Moss. Second 5 - Dave, Mitch, Enaruna, McBride and Agbaji. Garrett, Braun (who might be redshirted) and Bilau being mixed and matched. The lineup possibilities are damn near endless (I see Enaruna getting some PT at the 4).
That would be thirteen scholarships, beyond maddening how it all went down but I will be very cool with this team and the freshman class. Five freshman but redshirt one which will give us four, three sophomores, two juniors and three seniors - near perfect class balance. Silver lining's playbook in how this class fell into place, gonna reap huge benefits for years to come.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
If Wilson commits who do you all think starts in the backcourt besides Dotson? I would like it to be Moss and Agbaji but I have a feeling that Jalen may start.
I think Moss and Agbaji will start. I think Garrett plays starter minutes at whatever position we need depending on matchup. Wilson will play some 3, mostly 4 I'd imagine.
Ok I realize daniels changed his back to KU for Jalen this morning - - BUT who is the other one that put KU as their pick today?
Went to bed last night and KU was at 44% - -and Michigan 39% - -Then we went when Daniels picked us to 51 % - -we are now at 56% - -and Michigan at 33 % - - anyone know?
Billy Embody. Dude knows his stuff in Texas.
How in the world does Wilson start over Agbaji -- or more precisely, why would we think that would be the case?
If Wilson is better, then ok. But why would we assume that Wilson is better?
Watch out! Gary Parrish moved us up from #12 to #7. Still has us behind Memphis and Maryland.
I want Agbaji to start. I'm worried about Bill promising starting spots to recruits. I haven't seen Jalen play a game in college basketball yet. Maybe he is better.
HighEliteMajor said:
How in the world does Wilson start over Agbaji -- or more precisely, why would we think that would be the case?
If Wilson is better, then ok. But why would we assume that Wilson is better?
Well one might say - just off ranking Wilson is a higher ranked player he is # 50 and it was said he was under ranked - - - probably handles the ball some better - -rebounds well - course that's just of ranking - -I don't think it matters - as been said many many times and how Bill put it - it's not as much as who starts - it's who is on the floor at crunch time - - -to many people worried about who starts. - Hell I've seen where some players START and then maybe play a whole total of 15 minutes the entire game - -again don't get to hung up on who starts games - -very easy might not end up majority of minutes
I feel pretty confident Ochai will start. Remember he even started over Garrett last year when we went back to 2 bigs. Wilson and Ochai can't play together unless Ochai really inprmoves his handle. I honestly think Wilson sees more minutes at the 4 than the 3.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I feel pretty confident Ochai will start. Remember he even started over Garrett last year when we went back to 2 bigs. Wilson and Ochai can't play together unless Ochai really inprmoves his handle. I honestly think Wilson sees more minutes at the 4 than the 3.
he playing the 4 - - -over Silvio? - I have just felt he was locked into the 3
Not over Silvio. I don't think Wilson starts. Another utility guy who can play 3 and stretch 4.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I want Agbaji to start. I'm worried about Bill promising starting spots to recruits. I haven't seen Jalen play a game in college basketball yet. Maybe he is better.
Don't think that's an issue here. Guessing the pitch was more "you can come in, compete and likely get minutes". Wilson, no offense, isn't in the perceived must start range to need a promise.
Like everyone else I think Ochai starts. Ochai is a Bill Self type player.
Well saw we just got bumped again we are now at 61% in the CB for Jalen - -up from 56 % earlier today - another pick -really rolling now
Ochai is a much more athletic player than Jalen with +1 year of experience. The only way Jalen starts is if he shoots the lights out and Ochai can't hit his shot. It's possible, but i don't think we will see it.
ATTENTION - - - - -ATENTION - - -ATTENTION PLEASE. - - T-Minus 23 hours - - 12 minutes until announcement time of our last recruitment for the year of 2019 looks like. - - Jalen Wilson - -ATTENTION - -ATTENTION PLEASE - -this is your approaching 23 hour warning - - That is All. - - - lmao - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Ok so , let's have a show of hands. - -How many here think that N Carolina has a legit chance of landing Wilson? - -I mean truly legit - -please raise your hands. - -Cause evidentially some N Carolina fans still believe they have a good shot - -mainly because of Moss coming here - -just holler let me know. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Kansas.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Kansas.
I'm with ya Buddy - - - I'm with ya. - -just had to share this I read these and thought - -what am I missing? - - -personally for me , I've NEVER considered North Carolina a threat in this recruitment. - -For me - -it was either KU OR he was going to return to Michigan - -never N Carolina. - -just me. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Unc has no chance
21 hours and 39 minutes lmao - -I know - -I know. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
A rumor out there that Wilson is going to sign with the Harlem Globetrotters for two years, then go into the draft. Looks like this one is going south.
Goodness ... I just heard Wilson has a “surprise” in store. Not good.
HighEliteMajor said:
Goodness ... I just heard Wilson has a “surprise” in store. Not good.
that's just wonderful
HighEliteMajor said:
Goodness ... I just heard Wilson has a “surprise” in store. Not good.
Okay this post could be construed as serious unlike the other one.
HighEliteMajor said:
Goodness ... I just heard Wilson has a “surprise” in store. Not good.
Where did you hear that?
@HighEliteMajor New Zealand or Australia?
Why do these things always go the wrong way? Really worried about PT I guess.
Ya his big surprise is that he just signed for his 1st car. - - Not one word off his twitter about having any surprise - not one wiff about anything
HighEliteMajor said:
Why do these things always go the wrong way? Really worried about PT I guess.
lol
Something on snapchat I guess .. never snapchatted. But I won't sleep well tonight. Wonder if the announcement will get pushed back? Crap. And who is coach Pinkins at Florida? Didn't know they were in this.
HighEliteMajor said:
Something on snapchat I guess .. never snapchatted. But I won't sleep well tonight. Wonder if the announcement will get pushed back? Crap. And who is coach Pinkins at Florida? Didn't know they were in this.
Sleep well my man.
I think we'll be okay without him if that's what happens. I like the current roster a lot.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I think we'll be okay without him if that's what happens. I like the current roster a lot.
Agree. I think he's coming but he's pretty much Brannen Greene (but not crazy).
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I think we'll be okay without him if that's what happens. I like the current roster a lot.
Agree. I think he's coming but he's pretty much Brannen Greene (but not crazy).
A lot more skilled but a way worse shooter than Brannen.
On rivals Corey Evans picked KU yesterday. If he’s on his streak still that means it’s anything but KU.
And Russ wood picked KU today also.
Any word on what Slater is picking?
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I think we'll be okay without him if that's what happens. I like the current roster a lot.
Agree. I think he's coming but he's pretty much Brannen Greene (but not crazy).
A lot more skilled but a way worse shooter than Brannen.
True that Brannen really was a great shooter. Idk about way worse though. The lack of lateral quickness was the main point of comparison for me.
@rockchalkwyo No need for Slater to weigh in on this one.
@rockchalkwyo Kansas
Ok great. I’m nervous and getting antsy I suppose. Thanks @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk.
rockchalkwyo said:
Ok great. I’m nervous and getting antsy I suppose. Thanks @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk.
Farmer is right though of course, Slater's pick is KU.
I don't really know even what supposedly was said - -whatever it is - - I'm not buying - -I think he is KU
New potential target. High ceiling dude. Wasn’t really recruited because everyone thought he was going JuCo (because he was). https://247sports.com/Player/Lk-Wur-46081610/ ↗
FarmerJayhawk said:
New potential target. High ceiling dude. Wasn’t really recruited because everyone thought he was going JuCo (because he was). https://247sports.com/Player/Lk-Wur-46081610/ ↗
Better than Bilau?
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
New potential target. High ceiling dude. Wasn’t really recruited because everyone thought he was going JuCo (because he was). https://247sports.com/Player/Lk-Wur-46081610/ ↗
Better than Bilau?
Honestly don’t know. I like Bilau just because he fills a position of need moving forward but Wür has a really high ceiling too.
@FarmerJayhawk I think either one would tbh. Getting a post player in the program to take a developmental year would be a great use of the last scholarship. If it works out that's less work you have to do in 2020, if not you just move on. Low risk, high reward. Whereas if the last scholarship stays open then we are looking at needing at least one starting level big.
For people without VIP, it sounds like Wur just found out he will in fact be eligible.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk https://247sports.com/Article/Texas-AM-Aggies-basketball-recruiting-2019-forward-Wur-declared-academically-eligible-talks-AM-offer-132765551/ ↗
A lot to work with there. That FT% is really intriguing as far as perimeter shooting potential.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk https://247sports.com/Article/Texas-AM-Aggies-basketball-recruiting-2019-forward-Wur-declared-academically-eligible-talks-AM-offer-132765551/ ↗
A lot to work with there. That FT% is really intriguing as far as perimeter shooting potential.
How seriously do you think we are looking at a 13th fill for 2019? - I'm being serious here , cause I honestly don't know. - with the kid like you posted , do you think we are considering him - -do you think he would be worth taking our last Scholli? - -I'm not trying to be a smart ass - really I honestly am curious - do you think he is worth the last one or not/ - would he be worth it? -or should we pocket it? - honestly after Wilson I figured that wrapped up our 19 recruiting - hadn't really heard much more on Josaphat - do you know , have you heard if he ever sit a date to visit? - - Thanks Bud - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 i think Self is serious about filling it. I kind of think he likes taking these kinds of guys on and seeing what he can do to develop them. Self wants the last visit with Bilau. If his grades are all good I think we offer.
@jayballer73 He was pulling your leg...lol. we got him...
Here's a page with a bunch of video of today's scrimmage. check out Dok hitting a 17 footer!
@FarmerJayhawk Kansas
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 i think Self is serious about filling it. I kind of think he likes taking these kinds of guys on and seeing what he can do to develop them. Self wants the last visit with Bilau. If his grades are all good I think we offer.
So your thinking is - -we would reach out to him before this other guy? - - I kind of like Bilau got a little range - some rim protection - hop a little. - maybe take that chance? - Again though I know there was talk about him making a visit - I just hadn't heard any specific date - do you know ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 i think Self is serious about filling it. I kind of think he likes taking these kinds of guys on and seeing what he can do to develop them. Self wants the last visit with Bilau. If his grades are all good I think we offer.
So your thinking is - -we would reach out to him before this other guy? - - I kind of like Bilau got a little range - some rim protection - hop a little. - maybe take that chance? - Again though I know there was talk about him making a visit - I just hadn't heard any specific date - do you know ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
The staff is in contact with both. I’d guess Bilau visits first, but neither has been offered. Neither will until the staff sees them. Self wants Bilau to visit KU last, so they’ll figure out a date once Bilau is done taking visits to states not named Kansas. I don’t know anything about a potential visit from Wür. He wasn’t even cleared for NCAA competition until this week.
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 i think Self is serious about filling it. I kind of think he likes taking these kinds of guys on and seeing what he can do to develop them. Self wants the last visit with Bilau. If his grades are all good I think we offer.
So your thinking is - -we would reach out to him before this other guy? - - I kind of like Bilau got a little range - some rim protection - hop a little. - maybe take that chance? - Again though I know there was talk about him making a visit - I just hadn't heard any specific date - do you know ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
The staff is in contact with both. I’d guess Bilau visits first, but neither has been offered. Neither will until the staff sees them. Self wants Bilau to visit KU last, so they’ll figure out a date once Bilau is done taking visits to states not named Kansas. I don’t know anything about a potential visit from Wür. He wasn’t even cleared for NCAA competition until this week.
Thanks for the info bud , as always greatly appreciated. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Highlights from the scrimmage:
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To me, Ochai looks like a monster in the video. Stronger, faster, playing with a killer mentality. Break out ahead...
Ochai will be, IMO, the most improved player from last year.
rockchalkwyo said:
Ochai will be, IMO, the most improved player from last year.
Could be, he looks really good. He did start good last year though, I think Dave could be a candidate as well, even in limited minutes.
Yeah Big Dave would be my other guess too. If Doke has a jump shot now then he’d be in the running too. Man oh man I’m ready for Duke!
@rockchalkwyo I'll buy the whole board a beer if Doke even attempts a jump shot in a meaningful situation. :astonished: I'd probably faint.
From what I've read it sounds like Doke didn't exert himself at all. Didn't bang in the paint. Given it's just a camp thing, that makes a lot of sense even not factoring in that he is recovering from injury.
This team looks deeeeeeeeep . Our 2nd string would be a top 25 team.
If Jalen Wilson pops for KU today, KU will have the 15th ranked class in the Country.
This will be tops in the Big-12 narrowly beating Texas Tech & Texas.
Not a bad finish after what has happened.
BeddieKU23 said:
If Jalen Wilson pops for KU today, KU will have the 15th ranked class in the Country.
This will be tops in the Big-12 narrowly beating Texas Tech & Texas.
Not a bad finish after what has happened.
I did that calculation the other day too. Wilson is not only important for a great athlete in the roster but more importantly he makes KU first in the big 12 and will show future recruits that KU is in fact not on a downward trend.
BShark said:
rockchalkwyo said:
Ochai will be, IMO, the most improved player from last year.
Could be, he looks really good. He did start good last year though, I think Dave could be a candidate as well, even in limited minutes.
If Ochai can get comfortable dribbling and improve his ball-handling from last season then he will take his game to another level. His handle looked pretty good in this video and he was creating shots for himself and for other teammates. I've heard his shot has improved too.
I am the leader of the DMac bandwagon but I don't think he'll get the minutes to be most improved player for Kansas. I think he takes a big leap in 20-21 as a junior.
Braun behind-the-back pass. Braun looking pretty athletic throwing it down in transition. Braun shooting 3's. Braun praised for being tough by teammate Ochai Agbaji. I like him.
Issac looks and kind of moves like Frank Mason.
Doke with the left. Doke with the mid-range?!?! Let's hope this is a positive sign for Doke with the two made free-throws next season.
SDS looks like the after picture in an Andrea Hudy Fitness Infomercial.
Dotson looks like the best player on the floor.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Braun behind-the-back pass. Braun looking pretty athletic throwing it down in transition. Braun shooting 3's. Braun praised for being tough by teammate Ochai Agbaji. I like him.
Issac looks and kind of moves like Frank Mason.
Doke with the left. Doke with the mid-range?!?! Let's hope this is a positive sign for Doke with the two made free-throws next season.
SDS looks like the after picture in an Andrea Hudy Fitness Infomercial.
Dotson looks like the best player on the floor.
@Crimsonorblue22 ? I just think we are overhyping our players right now for the most part. Especially Silvio.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
rockchalkwyo said:
Ochai will be, IMO, the most improved player from last year.
Could be, he looks really good. He did start good last year though, I think Dave could be a candidate as well, even in limited minutes.
If Ochai can get comfortable dribbling and improve his ball-handling from last season then he will take his game to another level. His handle looked pretty good in this video and he was creating shots for himself and for other teammates. I've heard his shot has improved too.
I am the leader of the DMac bandwagon but I don't think he'll get the minutes to be most improved player for Kansas. I think he takes a big leap in 20-21 as a junior.
Dave is already a huge Boy - -he is a absolute beast in the shadows lurking - - sometimes well early when he was playing his motor was in 4th gear when it needed to be in 2nd - but I love the kid - he is going to be a really big piece for us coming up. - -even though he will be behind Doke - I think he will still get very serviceable minutes THIS YEAR. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Anybody heard how Jalen is making his announcement? - -Gathering of people? - -Social Media? - -Twitter - -what? - - - Airplane via Aircraft Carrier -- Camel while headed over sea's lmao - -personal message through the President? - - let me know ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jayballer73 said:
Anybody heard how Jalen is making his announcement? - -Gathering of people? - -Social Media? - -Twitter - -what? - - - Airplane via Aircraft Carrier -- Camel while headed over sea's lmao - -personal message through the President? - - let me know ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'm pretty sure on social media
No timeframe on Wilson's announcement?
@jayballer73 I've heard it'll be done via live streaming. He's going to gather all of his family and friends close to him for his announcement. Next he's going to arrange a Jayhawk, a Tarheel, and a Wolverine as corners in a large imaginary triangle. He will then decapitate a live chicken in the center of the imaginary triangle and follow that poor headless bastard to whichever school it chooses to run. But that's just what I heard.
I like Braun. I know some have thought that he might be a redshirt candidate, I don't think so. He's 6'8 and needs to put on some weight, but he could play the point in a pinch, can shoot the three and dish, has some inside game and is a fighter. Who does he remind you of? I see a raw version of Gordon Hayward.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark I think some people way over hyped players, last year! I'm waiting, still mad that rj made fools of us too. Very cautious about Wilson too.
Well, the big issue is that the Lawsons, Chuck and Grimes were all subpar athletes. That issue has been fixed. :)
Marco said:
No timeframe on Wilson's announcement?
Today
No visit from Bilau.
Marco said:
No timeframe on Wilson's announcement?
2 PM Central
@FarmerJayhawk What happened?
I'm not 100% sure. Could be as simple as they like Wur more.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I'm not 100% sure. Could be as simple as they like Wur more.
Less of a project? Haven't had the chance to dive into Wur
Probably. He was waaaaay more productive in HS than Bilau. Maybe Bilau wasn't interested in redshirting?
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@jayballer73 I've heard it'll be done via live streaming. He's going to gather all of his family and friends close to him for his announcement. Next he's going to arrange a Jayhawk, a Tarheel, and a Wolverine as corners in a large imaginary triangle. He will then decapitate a live chicken in the center of the imaginary triangle and follow that poor headless bastard to whichever school it chooses to run. But that's just what I heard.
roflmao - -you fool lol - - you need to stop -- -lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
FarmerJayhawk said:
No visit from Bilau.
Dam -- what happened? - thought he was planning a visit?
And maybe looking for a place to play earlier.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Probably. He was waaaaay more productive in HS than Bilau. Maybe Bilau wasn't interested in redshirting?
I thought Bilau looked pretty decent. - - look like he had some stroke - decent ball handler - little rim protection. - -So if that is the case -- -man - - I dunno , I'm just really thinking they tuck that last one away
Kcmatt7 said:
Marco said:
No timeframe on Wilson's announcement?
2 PM Central
Kcmatt7 -- so you think live stream? - is that something that WE could pick up? - and if yes - -how would that be done?
He's just going to tweet it out. No ceremony or anything
FarmerJayhawk said:
He's just going to tweet it out. No ceremony or anything
This is usually the move for KU commits it seems.
@BeddieKU23 @jayballer73 Wur looks REAAAAAALLY good. Like, my goodness gracious good. Probably would start as a SO. I would be very excited if he ends up a Jayhawk. From a basketball point...it's possible he would be my favorite recruit of this class.
I would pump the brakes on Wur just a bit. Had someone tell me he's basically Moulaye Niang with a much higher ceiling at this point.
His handle looks pretty good for a 6'9'' guy.
@FarmerJayhawk Damn it. I don't want to.
Wur looks like a freak athlete. My goodness.
Don't get me wrong, he has a chance to be good, but like Fran says, he's two years away from being two years away. Maybe not quite that long, but you get the gist.
@FarmerJayhawk Well, he would at least have a full season before potentially even needing to see the floor. I'd love to have Danny back for bigs...beating a dead horse there I know.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Don't get me wrong, he has a chance to be good, but like Fran says, he's two years away from being two years away. Maybe not quite that long, but you get the gist.
That's fine. Get him here and slap a redshirt on him. You can't teach dunking the ball like that.
From his pinned highlight tape on Twitter, the dunk off the wrong foot after the in and out dribble on the fast break is just absolutely freak of nature type of stuff.
Kcmatt7 said:
From his pinned highlight tape on Twitter, the dunk off the wrong foot after the in and out dribble on the fast break is just absolutely freak of nature type of stuff.
100% worth taking a flyer on with the last scholarship.
Oh you 100% take a flyer on him. Just keep in mind he may end up as Justin Wesley.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Oh you 100% take a flyer on him. Just keep in mind he may end up as Justin Wesley.
Kevin Young with some nasty.
Seems like more and more freshmen have someone from their posse in their ear about guaranteed playing time, guaranteed starter, OAD, NBA ready and such. Kids turning down offers because they might have to sit and grow their skills or ... (gasp)... redshirt!
@Gorilla72 To be fair about RS'ing, Bill never asks kids to do it. Leaves it up to the kid which is why we see so few at KU.
FarmerJayhawk said:
He's just going to tweet it out. No ceremony or anything
ok cool - -that's fine too - Again thank you for the info my friend
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 @jayballer73 Wur looks REAAAAAALLY good. Like, my goodness gracious good. Probably would start as a SO. I would be very excited if he ends up a Jayhawk. From a basketball point...it's possible he would be my favorite recruit of this class.
dam now you got me excited lol. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Wilson to KU is official
I was sure it was the Harlem Globetrotters.
BeddieKU23 said:
Wilson to KU is official
Told you guys not to worry.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Wilson to KU is official
Told you guys not to worry.
I wasn't until @HighEliteMajor sources were saying Globetrotters
Man, I was sure he was a Globetrotter. My neighbor's sister's kid's best friend's boss is never wrong. I'll have to vet my sources better ...
That boss isn't getting a Christmas card.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Wilson to KU is official
Told you guys not to worry.
UH UH HMMMMM -- REALLY? LOL
Sooo fantasize about this - -What IF - - just saying - -what IF - -some how , some way Kyree was able to re-classify - an take that LAST Scholli. - - -I know not gonna happen , BUT then again never say never - -How sweet would that be? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So looks like one time target Zach Harvey gonna land at Cincinnati good for you Zach - Topeka boy - hope you got things straightened out now - -don't think it was that big of thing but that path could lead down the wrong path - -Good luck - hope you do well. - -Jerry Meyer and Evan Daniels both got him headed to Cincinnati.- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Any wurd on last schollie?
approxinfinity said:
Any wurd on last schollie?
Will be open until midyear transfers at least.
FYI Josaphat Bilau picked Marsha and the gin bottle of Wichita St
Lok Wur went to Nike land in Oregon
Sure seems like Self is just going to leave the scholarship open now.
Makes sense. Nothing out there that can impact this years team. Might find a mid-year worth taking but who knows.
4 spots open regardless- 3 seniors + 1 open.
Dotson, De Sousa & Agbaji could have decisions to make next year. Safe to say Dotson is gone, Silvio is a wild card. I think we get year 3 from Ochai.
So I'd imagine the staff has 5 spots to sell
BeddieKU23 said:
Makes sense. Nothing out there that can impact this years team. Might find a mid-year worth taking but who knows.
4 spots open regardless- 3 seniors + 1 open.
Dotson, De Sousa & Agbaji could have decisions to make next year. Safe to say Dotson is gone, Silvio is a wild card. I think we get year 3 from Ochai.
So I'd imagine the staff has 5 spots to sell
Agree, no point in using it.
As far as recruiting I think the only must get is a high impact PG. Bill seems to know this based on recruiting. Won't complain with other impact signings but anything else would be gravy and depth.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Makes sense. Nothing out there that can impact this years team. Might find a mid-year worth taking but who knows.
4 spots open regardless- 3 seniors + 1 open.
Dotson, De Sousa & Agbaji could have decisions to make next year. Safe to say Dotson is gone, Silvio is a wild card. I think we get year 3 from Ochai.
So I'd imagine the staff has 5 spots to sell
Agree, no point in using it.
As far as recruiting I think the only must get is a high impact PG. Bill seems to know this based on recruiting. Won't complain with other impact signings but anything else would be gravy and depth.
Definitely. We can read the tea-leaves with all the PG offers out there that we are definitely after an instant impact guy.
We should be able to land someone that can play immediately with the success of Dotson.
I need to see how this years roster plays out before I go all in on needing an elite PG. I'm a big believer in McBride. I'll take 3 years of him starting if he's as good as I think he is.
We have post needs. Will be interesting to see if Jalen Wilson is going to be a guard/wing or 4. That probably is a big part of the recruiting strategy..
@BeddieKU23 Even if McBride is good, we need another really good guard imo. We have a lot of wings currently.
N'Faly Dante to Oregon in 2019. Look out below!!
Better them than Kentucky.
No doubt there. Oregon is going to be sneaky good. Really good shooting on the perimeter with Pritchard and Mathis, and a very good frontline with Juiston (if healthy) and Dante.
@FarmerJayhawk - and they play n a weak conference. They’ll probably win the Pac12.
Gorilla72 said:
@FarmerJayhawk - and they play n a weak conference. They’ll probably win the Pac12.
Agreed. Especially since Brandon Williams is out for the year at Arizona.
Oh my.
Wow,,,,, that was quick, and from out of nowhere.
Proof that pay to play is still here!
BeddieKU23 said:
Proof that pay to play is still here!
I'm stunned I tell you.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Proof that pay to play is still here!
I'm stunned I tell you.
Me too. Lost my cereal when I read it!
Also an academic thing involved. Oregon doesn't start classes until October so he has more time to get everything finalized.
Harris will be a Jayhawk and RS in 19-20. https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article234496792.html ↗
Great news. Self and co stole one here
Bryce Hopkins @brycehopkins 36m
blessed to say that I have received an offer from Kansas university bluered #rockchalk
class of 2021
N'Faly Dante that played at Sunrise and went to Oregon is ineligible for the first semester. Trying to get cleared for the second. Wouldn't be surprised if he never plays college ball.
Woodrow said:
N'Faly Dante that played at Sunrise and went to Oregon is ineligible for the first semester. Trying to get cleared for the second. Wouldn't be surprised if he never plays college ball.
As soon as I saw he wasn't cleared when school started that made sense. Surprised swoosh couldn't clear up his academics. I also think its up in air whether he plays at all before going pro
BeddieKU23 said:
Woodrow said:
N'Faly Dante that played at Sunrise and went to Oregon is ineligible for the first semester. Trying to get cleared for the second. Wouldn't be surprised if he never plays college ball.
As soon as I saw he wasn't cleared when school started that made sense. Surprised swoosh couldn't clear up his academics. I also think its up in air whether he plays at all before going pro
Like for real how bad does it have to be that Nike can't get that cleared up looool. They got Bagley cleared somehow...
BShark said:
Like for real how bad does it have to be that Nike can't get that cleared up looool. They got Bagley cleared somehow...
I guess its still the difference between it being Duke vs Oregon?
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Like for real how bad does it have to be that Nike can't get that cleared up looool. They got Bagley cleared somehow...
I guess its still the difference between it being Duke vs Oregon?
That whole private school thing. Dook can sweep stuff under the rug academically. Public schools are less able to.
Mercedus Leech & Luke Anderson have already transferred from Iowa St.
BeddieKU23 said:
Mercedus Leech & Luke Anderson have already transferred from Iowa St.
ISU took a chance on Leech. Honestly that injury was a shame. Kid is at UK or KU if it never happens.