I'm surprised that the Staff isn't pushing for Junior official visit's with the new rule changes in place.
Duke is hosting 3 elite Junior's over the next two weeks. Jeremy Roach, Jalen Johnson & BJ Boston.
Seems like a leg up already on the competition
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I think Devonte being in Charlotte is awesome just because he's from NC. But poor, poor Frank. Wish he could go be a backup for a contender.
Yeah it was a good fit for Devonte. The injury though definitely puts him at a disadvantage already of sticking with them long term.
I think Frank will overcome his situation down the road. Optimistically I think he's in a good position to outwork the higher drafted Fox and put himself into a position for a new team in a few years. I can't see him failing
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Well, he got lucky that the injuries all played out in favor of the Sixers. If he doesn't have injuries, Imagine that team without Saric or Simmons...
Definitely some luck.
JJ and Frank definitely landed in the dumps of the league with no hope of getting away from it, at least not yet
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Too many KU players get this treatment. This is the problem with going top 5. You're guaranteed to go to a place that is completely mismanaged.
Embiid's situation has worked out even though years back the Sixers were the laughing stock of the league.
Nothing says losing quite like firing your GM right before the season starts. Coach will have a quick exit as well
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24931420/phoenix-suns-fire-gm-ryan-mcdonough ↗
Would be very surprised if he didn't end up in our class
KUSTEVE said:
@BeddieKU23 I think it will be sort of a blessing in disguise, as I think KJ will pick up minutes at the 4 as well as the 3. This will in turn allow Vick to get more minutes. Lightfoot has certainly earned court time as well. It also accelerates Big Dave's development, which will be important for next year. Yes, Silvio would've been nice, but I think we have plenty of options available who will do an outstanding job.
I would hope its a blessing in disguise, its better then believing the alternative.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Yea at this point switching is a waste. Honestly, this happening probably gave KU a TON of leverage in the new contract and we were able to write in some ridiculous clauses that either protected us from this happening again or at the very least paid the university handsomely if it did.
What monetary compensation would possibly make up for KU's name being apart of this FBI investigation/trial?
I believe the sum was already well in the 8 figures right? I'm shocked we haven't seen any movement here
I agree overall post depth is not as big of a concern.
If we are talking the difference between an early round exit or a trip to the Final 4 at the moment I would absolutely downgrade the chances of the latter without Silvio. His impact to the team definitely saved last season. I would love to see what impact he could give this team with the roster we have
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Silvio is a very nice backup post player. McCormack is a step down, but a nice backup post player. Mitch is a different type of player and a step down from Silvio, but also a serviceable backup big. It should work out, the team is well constructed.
Silvio gives the team a dimension no other team outside of Kentucky has, which is a starter level talent as a rotation piece.
When we talk about step down from one player to the next, the gap between Silvio to Mitch/Dave is significant. At least in my opinion its bigger then what some may think. We'll see how it shakes out.
It wouldn't be a KU season without fans worrying about which post player won't be available to play
BigBad said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU's parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
Missing DeSousa and having Doke/lawson with McCormack/Lightfoot coming off the bench is still a pretty good 4 man front court rotation.
i agree about the Final 4 not being a lock.
It is a good 4 man rotation. Just having anyone to sub in the post will be a luxury.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn't get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
Gotta see how this all shakes out. As things currently stand, I'd just stick with Adidas.
I think KU's name has been put in the ringer enough to run as far away as we can. There is no solution but we can't support a company that's caused this and gotten caught doing so.
If Silvio is found ineligible how can KU keep supporting Adidas? Two players they allegedly paid are now caught up in this scandal.
The problem with ditching Adidas is the entire field is dirty. Nobody is clean. None of this dirty laundry will actually get fixed. SO does KU just go to the next dirty company and hope it doesn't get caught in the cross hairs again? Or stick with the company having its dirty laundry aired out
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 I think the difference is going from being a final four lock to being a championship contender...like most years.
I would hardly call this bunch a Final 4 lock with so many new pieces. A lot of pre-season hype/expectations include Silvio being apart of that. This team may/probably will start two freshman in the backcourt which has its own set of growing pains. I think the sum of all of KU's parts are better then the field but without Silvio its a big dent to the post depth Self was going to have.
If we don't have Silvio its a huge loss, a huge shift in this team's depth and the difference between being a championship contender
Laugh now but you dont want to know what the blue bloods offer, ku included.
All this airing out of the dirty laundry doesn't help anything. It will mean nothing because Emmert and the NCAA are the ones ultimately responsible, and where are they during this? Hardly a word
Five-star guard Josh Green just committed to Arizona | “It is the best move for me"
"best move" definitely leaves some interpretation $$$
A KU mention although vague in details
Kofi is a wide body but he's basically Azubuike with a limited offensive skill set and doesn't protect the rim for a player of his size either.
I think Self would prefer to get 2 of JRE, Hurt & Nnaji for their versatility. Hurt & JRE have experience playing with each other, Nnaji played with Hurt as well in AAU.
One of Hurt/JRE is a must. If Nnaji is the other big you get a near 7 footer with a lot of potential. I think that could be ideal situation
JJ with 11 & 9 with 7 turnovers and still can't shoot
Promising stuff from Stanley's dad. Late Night should be his best visit the way his others are scheduled. All we can hope for at this point
The question is do you penalize the kid for the dealings of the guardian?
Likely, yes. The NCAA has usually penalized the kid in the end. The Cam Newton rule no longer applies. Look no further then Cliff Alexander as well. In broad terms yes I think Silvio could lose his eligibility if the paper trail is proven to lead to his guardian.
However I have the opinion the middle man Corey Dawkins kept the cash he was supposed to distribute. There hasn't been any evidence presented showing a paper trail leading back to anyone. I'll await to see whether that is true or not.
More importantly, do you penalize KU who apparently did not know anything about it?
It would be hard to see that happening without the NCAA having evidence to support the school/ coaches helping facilitate this whole situation. The Billy Preston situation helps KU actually, they found an issue and reported it. That shows a school willing to follow the rules. KU can use other players over the years as well showing a pattern of consistency following compliance. It's certainly not a lack of oversight issue. KU will have a strong case to support itself if the NCAA tried to give them some sort of violation(s).
We all know Jeff is a looney bin but he's not wrong here either, at least so far.
Important to note on those Silvio De Sousa/Under Armour/Maryland allegations: there's been no evidence or mentions of this happening except for claims by Jim Gatto, former Adidas exec who's admitting paying players and attempting to paint everyone as doing it.
— Jeff Ermann (@Jeff_Ermann) October 2, 2018
Everything is going to be okay.
I have no idea what actually happened. I'm waiting to see what happens here while hoping KU is not in the cross hairs, that everything KU has said publicly is in fact the truth.
All I know is the timeline for how Silvio got to Kansas was definitely not in the normal flow of how KU gets recruits in this day and age. All of us that followed that situation know things happened so fast we had no idea he was even on campus, committed and caused a stir for Maryland fans.
Other hawks. McLemore had 6 off the bench with Mason for the Kings
Diallo had 5 & 6 in 21 minutes for the Pelicans
Thomas Robinson had 8 points in 10 minutes off the bench for the Hawks
Embiid had 21 & 7 to pace the Sixers
Oubre had 15 & 8 for the Wizards
JJ had 17 in pre-season last night. Frank Mason was on the opposing team, had 11 and 3 assists
jayballer73 said:
@BeddieKU23 So then what did his guardian do with the money?
No idea, he's denied ever receiving it.
If there is a paper trail that gets handed off to the NCAA once this whole trial is over, then that's where Silvio's eligibility could get looked at.
jayballer73 said:
Woodrow said:
Per Dan Wetzel who is covering the trial for Yahoo. During opening remarks Gatto's attorney said that Oregon offered "an astronomical" amount of money to recruit Brian Bowen. The 100,000$ deal to attend Louisville was to "level the playing field"
Also Under Armor paid $20,000 to De Sousa to sign with Maryland and Arizona offered $150,000 for Nassir Little.
His main goal is to make all of college basketball look corrupt not just Adidas...
Well IF Under Armor paid 20,000 to De-Sousa , then that automatically takes Silvio's amateur status away right off the bat doesn't it? - -I don't know - -seems like it would , which in the end run the NCAA would then make us forfeit any games that Silvio played in for us right? - - -ROCKCHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
They didn't pay De Sousa, they alledegly paid his guardian. And the FBI has told the NCAA to take a backseat until the trials go through. Silvio's status can't be touched
BShark said:
"Code, Dawkins and Gatto are each charged with five felony counts related to wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud; Gatto faces a sixth felony related to a pay-for-play scheme involving Kansas recruits."
Not great. Just have to hope nothing comes back to the school or Self.
The 6th charge definitely has my interest. I remain confident Self wouldn't be preparing for the season if there was doubt
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 The same reason 4 KU people are on the witness list. Preston and De Sousa are involved.
What KU people are on the witness list?
So why would Bill Self's name be brought up in this at all? I thought this INVOLVED "Kansas". Someone please explain?
Very happy with this one. Sounds like he's got a great head on his shoulders. I believe he'll be a fan favorite
Woodrow said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU is so far away from hiring a guy of Gus's stature its funny to even see his named mentioned
Reading different message boards, and discussing with friends / other people it blows my mind at the names being thrown out. I have said multiple times that KU people are going to be very dissapointed at the names on the true target list.
I don't follow KU football at a fan level but I do want them to be successful. But your right, the true target list is going to be a real shock to those unless Long gets lucky and has a connection with someone with a big name and gets extremely lucky.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 :joy:
Kid can really shoot it. Kinda reminds me of Graham.
Which is why I think they wanted him over Jacobs. McBride is definitely someone I can see shooting 40% from 3 as an upperclassmen, among other things
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Yeah Zeke coming back for an official this weekend is big big news. Even Zona's guy is saying "we'll see after KU"
As in he feels Zeke could just commit after that visit? UK people are screeching Adidas over this lol.
He's certainly under the belief KU leads/will land him. Will not complain if he shuts things down after this weekend
BShark said:
McBride committing today at 5pm. GUESS WHERE.
McNeese St?
Yeah Zeke coming back for an official this weekend is big big news. Even Zona's guy is saying "we'll see after KU"
It's Arizona's insider, Zona made Zeke's Top 5 so that's telling at the moment. Flood of Wisconsin also put one in for KU on Sunday. Wisconsin was recruiting him for a while and Flood is usually pretty good. Certainly looks like the word is out KU leads or likely could get him. Positive news
KU is so far away from hiring a guy of Gus's stature its funny to even see his named mentioned
Gus has been on the hot-seat for a while with fans. Sad but that's sports these days
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I'd make fun of Duke fans but KU's 2017 recruiting is still pretty fresh...
Oh yeah I'm not about to gloat or anything but man its insufferable to watch their meltdown. I'll use that the next time we feel the sky is falling here
FYI Arizona's insider believes it would be " a pretty big surprise" if Zeke Nnaji didn't end up a Jayhawk. That was his response to a thread about him. Interesting stuff, Jason usually is pretty good with his intel
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I just love the idea of landing Wiseman lol. Not for any other reason than seeing UK fans heads explode. Rupp Rafters would have a meltdown for a full week. A GoFundMe would get started so a private investigator could be hired to look for something shady. People would start the "Faaar Cal!" chant EARLY this season. It would be just one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen lol.
Duke's board has been in meltdown mode for over a month.
They just had a Top 100 guard on campus for an official visit and didn't offer him before he left. Fun stuff
Seen a lot of praise for Nnaji long-term. I agree, in a few years this kid could be a steal for whatever program has him in the fold. At his size and versatility your talking the modern day big-man in the NBA. At KU Self could use him in a variety of ways as I think he'll be more then capable of playing both forward positions. Ideally, Zeke is the 2nd big KU gets in this class. JRE and Hurt are freshman impact bigs. If KU can go 2-3 out of this trio we'd all be ecstatic.
Remember when Zeke got the KU offer that was big for him. Could have been his dream offer.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Good recruting tactic on KU's part::stuck_out_tongue: :rofl:
She would be a great get for the women's team tbh.
Also RE Zeke someone on the phog linked this tweet, from a Minnesota guy: 🐦 View Tweet
Thinks KU and Arizona are and have been the leaders in this recruitment.
Good find there. I would not be upset at all if he ended up in the class.
BShark said:
https://247sports.com/player/issac-mcbride-46057775/ ↗
College List Offer Interest Recruited By Roster Outlook Visit17 Offers 1 Visits 0 Coach Visits
Kansas Favorite - 3 CG, 1 Commits Sep 282018
Oct 1, 2018: Leaders
Issac McBride names Kansas Jayhawks leader:eyes:
Aka committed!
I have no idea on Zeke's recruitment.
I can't imagine UCLA gets him they have about 6 underclassmen in the frontcourt. With O'Neal redshirting he's certainly not going anywhere anytime soon.
Baylor is intriguing. They always get quality bigs and know how to use them. He would certainly step into a situation he could start or play major minutes for Drew. The same can be said for Arizona & Purdue that have a need for someone of his talent.
I'm wondering how deep we are in this one. The official visit was sort of last minute news. Never hurts to have someone like him on campus during a big weekend though.
Good recruting tactic on KU's part::stuck_out_tongue: :rofl: