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DoubleDD
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So then are you ok with removing Mount Rushmore? As some of those presidents were indeed slave owners? Should we stop there? Should we remove all presidents that had slaves from the history books, Libraries and museums? Should we take Washington's face off the our American dollar? Should we remove America's involvement in slavery from the history books? Shall we get rid of the constitution as some of the signers where indeed slave owners. Should we demand that Italy tear down the Roman coliseum. How far should we go to right this wrong?
We should always have the discussion/debate. Always.
You're link didn't come through?
Taking down the statues seems to the be a hot button issue these days. Right?
What's you're take on it? Do feel those that want to keep the statues up are racist?
Me I get it. Yet then I'm like what does it really change? What would we really accomplish? Slavery happened we can't take that away. Also in this path to erase or not glorify this past history. Do we wipe out the memories of those that showed courage? That stood against the popular belief of that era. That sacrificed so much to do what was right. We will wipe away their acts of courage and unselfishness in the process of trying to remove this stain on American history? Will we forget their names and their stories?
We can't even watch reruns of the Dukes of Hazards anymore. I kind of think that is a shame.
Also being friendly here why do you always assume someone that may disagree with you is misinformed? Do you ever consider that maybe you might be misinformed?
Life is filled with many flavors and Ideas. Not to be able to sit down and talk about said issues without labeling someone is? is? Well un-American.
As far as I know It's not all white supremacist, and the elk of KKK wanting to keep the statues up. In fact you would be surprised some blacks are fighting to keep confederate statues up.
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Unless something has changed. The constitution protects the right of Americans to assemble and march for their cause. Whether you agree with them or not. Maybe I'm wrong yet every thing I heard and read they had did every thing by the book. They had their permits and so on. It was the altleft that showed up looking for a fight and to shut them up.
I would agree they expected the altleft to show and were ready for a fight.
I think Trump nailed it by taking neither side and condemning both sides for their actions.
Yet you know and I know that Trump won't get credit for really just defending the right of Americans to march. No matter what they believe.
Wow. So let me get this straight? If you're against taking down the statues, then you're a racist? So we can't even have the discussion on why maybe the statues should stay? Are we now going to destroy mount Rushmore because some of those Presidents owned slaves? And how is this Trump's fault? Racism has been around long before he was born. What you don't think Obama stirred the pot of racism? Please lets not forget the Michael Brown episode. Normally I would try to weigh in on something like this. Yet this is just a hate and blame everything on Trump. The rich white guy. I'm out.
So you admit your Wildcats couldn't duplicate KU's dominance. in conference play? :fingers_crossed_tone4:
Well thanks for at least understanding what my point is or was.
Am I missing something? Decided to some research and it shows Pitts last final four in 1941? Also it's only final 4.
Did they make it to a final 4? I wasn't sure about that. I know they had some early exits, and flirted with being the first #1 seed to lose in the tourney.
Maybe I should check my facts before I post? :face_palm_tone1:
I'm not sure anybody would argue that the Big 12 is the strongest. Yet I have to question those that think a Duke, UNC, or UK could accomplish what KU has done in the Big 12. Weak or not. Winning a conference is an accomplishment, and when you win it 13 years in a row. Well that is one for the ages and record books.
I'm not trying to be mean or pick a fight. Yet some of you act is if it's a no-brainer that Duke, UNC, or UK would do the same if they played in the Big 12? Yet didn't UK miss the tournament one year. Hasn't both Duke and UNC had some down years during KU's streak?
I look to the old Big East when it was in it's heyday. There was a team that dominated that conference for I think 3 years? Yet they never had any success in the tourney. Even though the foes they beat through out the year had way more success in the tourney. What was that school? Pitt.
Maybe I'm wrong I just don't see how one can correlate a strong conference with how well it does in the tourney. I mean yes has it's place in the discussion. Yet one KU fan here posted that teams in these tough conference aren't worried about winning the conference as they are preparing for tourney play. So these games of matchups mean nothing. OK well if that's the case how can we draw the conclusion that this or that conference is strong because they have a few teams do well in the tourney? After all they are preparing for the tourney and don't put much importance on non-con games and conference games.
Another problem I have with the concept of tourney success deciding what a tough conference is. Well the tourney is largely based off matchups. Who here is going to stand up and argue that Duke doesn't get the easiest paths to the final 4? Yes you still have to play those games and win. Yet it sure helps when the committee has your back. Lets not mention the seeding process of the NCAA committee is something less then to be desired. Come on we all know it and have seen it. There have been some good teams that could pushed down to a lower seed so the NCAA/CBS and get a must watch game. Plus the NCAA tournament is a OAD. One bad night and the season is over. The best team doesn't always win. It doesn't mean that team played in a weak conference.
Someone posted my argument was flawed. Yet I'm thinking if you solely base conference strength just off tourney success? Well I kind of think that is flawed too.
It is true the ultimate prize is making a final 4 and winning the national championship. However I'm not in agreement with some of those metrics when comparing the strengths of conferences.
Does two teams make a conference great? I really don't know, yet to so many it seems to. I guess if team y and team x have some success in the tournament then they play in a great conference?
Maybe I'm wrong but hasn't the Big 12 won the Big12/SEC challenge every year?
I agree the Big 12 has for the most part stunk it up in the Tourney. Yet to say their the weakest conference because of it? I'm not sure I can wrap my arms around that one.
I'm not sure how I got side ways with ya, but yes I am a flawed person.
Believe me I'm not arguing that the Big 12 is the best conference. Hands down the ACC is far and away the best conference. Also lets not forget about the Pac 12.
I guess I'm trying to point out that what Coach has done with KU in this conference streak is pretty remarkable. And just because someone is a Duke, UNC, or Kentucky. Doesn't mean they could match the success of the conference streak. Doesn't mean they couldn't, yet the odds would be pretty slim. In fact I'm pretty sure Vegas would take all those bets in a heart beat.
As KU fans I think we just assume KU will win the conference every year. Not realizing what amazing run Coach and KU are on. We take it for granted if you will.
I guess only after the streak ends and some time has passed can we as fans look back and truly see the greatness that has taken place.
I wasn't trying to be rude. I was just asking the question about UK. It's not even really about disagreeing with ya. Every body agrees UK gets the better talent, and every body also agrees the SEC is a weaker conference than the Big 12?
You say they have a chance. I say they have blown their chance.
Fair point.
I'm going to say it. As long as Coach Self is the coach, KU would duplicate their record in any conference you want to pick.
The reason?
UK won't agree to a home and home with KU.
UNC doesn't want any game with KU.
Duke won't even think about scheduling with KU unless it's Football.
Why? You tell me? Coach has been trying to schedule these matchups for years. It isn't KU backing down. It's UK, Duke, and UNC. No the only way these schools will play KU is in some kind of Championship series. Not sure UNC would even agree to that. I've read the articles, and it's not the lack of Coach trying to these games on the schedule.
The question was could Duke, UNC, or UK duplicate/equal KU's conference winning streak if they were playing in the Big 12?
I know ACC seems daunting with all those basketball schools. Yet if the ACC is so great with all those great and good schools and no schools that play below average. Then they should have 2 to 3 teams in the final 4 every year, and should have a winning streak of NC in basketball like the SEC in Football had up tell the last couple years.
Yet that isn't the case.
You see the damn thing is if the ACC gets just one school in the Final four then their repetition stays intact. Even though it supposed to be a league full of great and good teams?
OK you claim that UK could do what KU has done in the Big 12? Yet UK hasn't done that in the SEC. A conference that is considered the weakest of all the power 5 conferences.
UK, UNC, and Duke receive some serious love not only from the media but recruits. Year after year UK, Duke, and UNC seem to get the best of the best. They win Championships and the media loves them.
OK so here is the Great Debate. So many mock KU's dominace in the Big 12. They win the Conference year after year. So much they are setting the record for Conference Championships. Yet so many say what's the big deal.
Ok so let the arguement begin. Could UK, UNC, or Duke duplicate what KU has done these last 13 years? If UK, UNC, or Duke were in the Big 12 would they be on the cusp of setting the record for the most consecutive conference championships?
I bring this up because it seems to me KU is playing with lesser cards than UK, UNC, and Duke. Yet Old Coach seems to have KU in the conversation as the best every year.
Maybe another topic? Is Coack K, Roy or Cal better than Self? I'm not thinking so. Coach seems be able to take lesser players and make them great. If not then why is KU always in the conversation year after year even though KU gets out recruited every year?
No wrong answers. Lay it out there. Let's hear it.
No worries just giving you the business. You're fine my friend. :thumbsup:
Why did you have to say twice? :joy:
CK needs to make up his mind on what he wants to do. Play football or be a political activists.
I'm not sure why we should point the blame on the owners? Look last year the numbers of watching viewers of the NFL game went down for the first time in forever. You can bet the NFL brass noticed and investigated on why. The results and polls showed that the average watching football person got tired of the disrespect of the American Flag and constant attention CK was getting pushing his political agenda.
We can debate whether kneeling down is disrespecting the flag, or what the flag really means? We can also argue If CK has a the right to use the NFL press to push his agenda. Yet at the end of the day the American people got tired of it and stopped watching. That is just how it is.
CK can make a fine living being a political activist. Give paid speeches, right a few books, and start a few for profit organizations. Life would be good for him.
So lets stop bashing the NFL. Nobody in their right mind wouldn't be cautious about hiring CK. If you didn't then you don't care about making money. And lets stop acting like CK is some star QB in the NFL. He's not. He should be thankful that someone offered him a chance to still play the NFL game.
I think you're overlooking or looking past a few points of Truth.
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CK doesn't have a job. I'm sorry but he's done nothing on the football field that affords him the right going around demanding a certain amount for his services.
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The NFL is just as much a brand as it is a sport. To stay in business you have to protect that brand.
Whether you think CK is a fine OB or not, he brings a lot of baggage to the table. An owner would have to weigh the risk of CK versus protecting his team's brand.
The BG point is a fine example. You showed us the numbers that CK was in fact the better QB. Yet the 49ers chose BG. Now why is that? Is it because the 49ers are racist? No It's because CK has made himself tainted with off the field comments, and on field antics.
People don't watch football to see what some guy thinks about BLM, or racism. We watch because we played the game at one time and enjoy watching the game being played by others.
As a huge fan of the NFL. I would absolutely get tried of a QB like CK playing for my team. At some point shut up and play the game.
No, Nooooooooo, You don't be stealing my lines. :blush:
You do know Foreman claims he was drugged? I personally don't think so. I do think Ali's rope ah dope style added to his loss of brain function. As great as Ali was the man took some major beatings. His battles with Frazier may have been that classic saying he won the battle but lost the war.
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Damn you. Why do you always have to be so grounded? Come on brother. This a fight of the ages. You wouldn't be perturbed if Mayweather try to win on points?
Love you mayjay.
Ok so now you know I have to be talking about the Mayweather and Conner fight.
Mayweather is money. You can't take anything away from what he has done in the boxing ring. After all he is considered the best defensive of fighter ever to lace up the boxing gloves. Also hard to argue with his undefeated record at 49-0.
Yet? It's been what two years since he last fought? It's been what 18 years since he's knocked someone out in a fight? Then you have Conner who is for all intense and purposes at the prime of his game. No he's not a boxer, but is considered one of the greatest fighters in the UFC. Which by the way have quite short careers because of the brutalizing style of fighting.
I suspect Mayweather is looking to win on points. You know stick, jab, and move. Mayweather has no desire to go toe to toe with Conner.
Is that fair to the millions of fans that are going to pay down serious cash to watch this fight? Is Mayweather hoodwinking the paying customers, by going for a points win? If Mayweather does indeed win on points would you still consider him the badest man on the planet?
Just looking for some thoughts.
It was 100 degrees and no air conditioner. Can't say I blame them for being sick.
Nah, Just like the video.
You nailed it. If Coach wants him then Coach knows what he's doing. Not all players are created equal. Some players need a Coach Cal to just let them play. Some players need a Coach Self to teach them game and rip their head off when it's needed.
KU wins the national championship this year. I know to early. I also know this KU team is going to lose some games. Yet I've seen enough.
If the Front court comes along like it is. Hands down KU wins. The reason I say this? KU can play any style of game you want to play. For you defense, defense, defense kind of KU fans. Well I've seen that when Doka was in the game our guards were indeed more agressive. Going for blocks and steals. I know the level of competion was low. Yet just watching this eye raising style of play showed me that the KU guards are more aggresive when Doka is in the game.
I know Doka doesn't look good shooting free throws. Yet who cares when he tries to dunk everytime he gets the ball? So he dunks and misses the and one? So What?
Lets not forget Preston? This kid has some moves. It's going to take a little time. Yet he has Doka meaning he's going to face one on one for most of the game. I like his odds.
I called it here first.
I learned that mistake with my rider. I put ethanol in there and OMG. I had to get some of that RV stuff just to rectify the situation.
Went back and checked it. It's working now. So I don't know. Maybe I hadn't checked to see if it was working after you rolled back the new program?
I believe it was super hero. Even now when I go back to display it, still not working right.
It was a skin problem I had the same problem. When I switched skins ever thing was fixed.
There is a lot of so called dirt flying around about Trump and Russia. Yet what about Hillary and Russia?
I guess you can say I'm just a little fed up with those they say the just are looking at the evidence.
Let's be real here with one another. I think we've earned enough trust between us.
Everything and all things that come up about Trump is the final nail in the coffin. Yet must of the info is really just trivial.
Yet let me ask you one question? One KU fan to another. If Trump had done what Hillary did with the hidden server and emails? He would be impeached tomorrow, and criminal charges would be filed.
Would you agree?
And this is why I and so many other Americans don't put stock in the main media sources anymore. This topic I just posted is a big deal, and yet only Fox is willing to talk about.
Now why is that?
I guess I just see things a bit differently. When I look across the land scape I see all people suffering. I just don't see it as a skin color thing.
Now there are things I can and would get on board with. Like the disparity in public school funding. That's a big pet peeve of mine. Some would say I was unlucky but I got to see both side of the fence growing up in KC. It's just not right. You see I agree there are things we can and should do.
However if all we are focusing in on is skin color, then we are just spinning our wheels. At the end of the day it's about equality, not special rights for certain people.
As for CK I have no problem with him trying to use his platform as a football player to voice his opinion or shine a light on something he feels is an injustice. I just disagree with who he did it. My friend so many people have died for the American flag. Not social issues or political parties, but for freedom. That flag has never hurt anybody. That Flag represents the greatest nation the world as ever seen.
No America is not perfect. Yet no country has ever been free like Americans. No country has ever allowed it's citizens from meager beginnings to become rich like America.
When we set up parameters trying to create a certain mix of races so we can sleep feeling good about ourselves. We've created nothing, but racism. We should allow the best and brightest to rise to the top. In the end it's better for the country and it's citizens.
Prime example is some of the Ivy schools make it harder for Asian students to attend their prestige schools. Reason being they are too smart, too motivated. The theory is mesh or have a certain balance of skin color. Really?
No I say the biggest thing we can do is to offer all the tools to our youth we can to be successful, and then turn them loose. Don't look at skin color. Look at the person and their heart.
If we keep focusing on how different we are, we will never see how much the same we are.
I'm blessed in that I've walked many paths in my life time. I've gotten to see both sides of the tracks if you will. And I'm telling you when you give certain advantages to someone because of their skin color? All you doing is creating more racism.
Why would I need to worry about being rounded up into camps? To many associate the term minority with one's skin color, and that's just not the case. One of many points I was making in my ramblings. Also I don't put a lot of stock in assumptions and projections from our Government. I mean the CBO is like the biggest joke. It's laughable to see so many tout it like it's some kind of Holy Bible. Especially when it's never even been remotely correct on anything.
I'm not trying to stop CK from protesting or standing up for what he believes. Hey this is America. Yet just because you have the right of freedom of speech doesn't mean there could be a repercussion for what one says, or does. So many forget that aspect. They want to spout off at the mouth and then hide behind the 1st amendment right. For instance if I walk into a bar and pick a fight with the biggest dude in said bar. Well there's a good chance I'm going to get a reaction that I might not like.
Bottom line CK made a choice to disrespect the American Flag. Whether right or wrong as the debate seems to be. The American people made a choice not to respect CK. That's just the way it is. CK has nobody to blame but himself.
Cause and effect.
I tried to find your definition of minority? I couldn't find it anywhere. This was all I could find.
mi·nor·i·ty
[məˈnôrədē]
NOUN
the smaller number or part, especially a number that is less than half the whole number:
"harsher measures for the minority of really serious offenders" · [more]
the number of votes cast for or by the smaller party in a legislative assembly:
"a blocking minority of 23 votes"
a relatively small group of people, especially one commonly discriminated against in a community, society, or nation, differing from others in race, religion, language, or political persuasion:
"representatives of ethnic minorities" · [more]
the state or period of being under the age of full legal responsibility.
Maybe you can direct me to a website that has your definition of a minority?
Well um first off in the colonies they were all British. It was only later after the colonies decided to create their own country because the King of Britain wouldn't give in to their request for proper representation. That America began the process of slavery and immigration.
You associate being rich with being white skin. When in fact that is far from the truth. When in fact the 1% as you speak of are mostly if not all Muslin or Jewish. Speaking world wide of course.
You will also find that when if comes to America's wealthiest or Rich. You'll find that a big majority of them are self made millionaires. Meaning they didn't inherit the farm sort of speak. They started with little and made much. I'm not sure why this a bad thing? Plus it not just a so called white thing. Oprah started with nothing is now considered one of the richest woman in the world. Jordan farts and he makes money. Whoopi Goldberg started with nothing. Reggie Fowler: Minority Owner, Minnesota Vikings.
Kirbyjon Caldwell: Limited Partner, Houston Texans
Serena & Venus Williams: Limited Partners, Miami Dolphins. It goes on and on. Success has nothing to do with color. Success and wealth has to do with drive and determination.
You see rigging the system never works. You pound the drum that the system isn't fair to minorities because you believe they don't get a fair shake and are poor. Yet you gloss over the real facts. That their are more poor white people in the US than any other race. There are more poor white people in welfare than any other race. These are just facts.
Plus I would add one more thing. You speak as your trying to create equality? Yet when you rig the system in such a way that a person gets a leg up on others because of the color of their skin. Then you my friend are creating racism.
I was once passed over for a nice paying job with great benefits. I was competing against another fellow who was quite nice. My resume of experience was far superior. I didn't get the job because the company had to hire a minority to make the numbers right, and of course I was white. I didn't hold it against the man. In fact I became good friends with him. To this day when we are cracking open some brews. He feels bad. You know why? because he didn't earn it. He got the job because the color of his skin. Well that's what he tells me.
Special treatment is not what Martin Lurther King wanted or fought for. So many just want to give handouts or make special allowances for the color of one skin. In the end all you do is create ill feelings.
I respect your opinion. Yet CK made a decision and so did the American people. So what's the problem?
So are you saying the American people are wrong?
In life there is cause an effect. For instance If I go racing around in my car or truck breaking the speed limit. At some point I will get pulled over for speeding. I make think it's unfair. Yet I will be paying the fine.
Like go around disrespecting the American Flag there will be a back lash. It's just that simple. Maybe CK has a great cause? Yet whether you or I agree or not. He's paying the price.
He made a very bad decision, and now he's paying for it. You see the cause doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful. CK made is bed and now he has to sleep in it.
wake up dude. White people are poor too. And in another decade the whites will be the minority. Will you be singing the same tune? Will then whites get to tap into the affirmative action? I mean after all they will be the minority. So will the whites be able to scream bloody murder because they didn't get hired for a job because of the color or their skin? You going to be on board?
If you want the American people no matter skin to respect your cause you don't disrespect the American flag. You just don't. It doesn't matter what skin color you are. You just don't show disrespect to the American flag.
CK made a choice. He decided to disrespect the American flag. And now he's paying the price. Don't know why you're upset with it. He made a choice and the American people made a choice. He decided to disrespect the American flag and the American people decided not to show him any respect.
It's as simple as that.
This is a hard core Dem and one of Hillary's top aides. Where is the investigation?
Anybody and everybody that is associated with Trump makes the main stream media. Yet when it comes to the Dems?
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Breaking the law is one thing. Disrespecting the American Flay the very Flag so many have died for that gives you the right to burn her is two different things.
You're trying to compare apples to oranges. Killing someone is one thing. Hitting a woman is one thing. Both should be dealt with. Yet disrespecting a simple flag that represents the very foundation of this country. FREEDOM.
Well then I'm not watching the cat either, and I have no sympathy for him either.
If you want to protest then by all means do so. Yet why? why? disrespect a flag that represents your freedom? Yes our government is corrupt. Yes racism still exists. Yes our courts systems are too corrupt. Yet that flag represents at the end of the day we will do the right thing. That flag represents all colors and races. It represents that in this cruel world a man and woman can get a fair today. Maybe not today or tomorrow. Yet at some point that flags children will demand justice.
Geez so many died for not just that flag but what it represents. To disrespect her is to say you don't like freedom, and justice.
When have you've ever heard a coach tell one of his players not to dunk so hard?
We can just call him sir Doka.