Letās see you judge me for watching Fox News? However I watch left wing media outlets too. So I guess I donāt see your point?
DoubleDD
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Both.
See I think you hang on what Trump says, I hang unto what he does. The problem of hanging unto what heās says. It can be manipulated by your left-wing media outlets and new sources. Thereby spreading a false narrative that just isnāt true.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD So you haven't watched the press conferences, but you "truly believe in your heart" that people are out to get Trump when they call his response a disaster. That's not rational.
Oh Iāve watched bits and pieces, and yes I think there is a unwarranted hate for Trump.
Example when Obama wanted to build a wall nobody said a word. Yet when Trump said lets build a wall somehow heās painted as racist. Thatās not rational.
Just saying some of the arguments against Trump are baseless and really are just hateful.
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Interesting. I do agree there is a bit of inevitability in my opinion to the spread of this thing but find it interesting that you say the analysis WILL BE about how he gets it under control. What heās doing or not doing from January to right now is that work. From my perspective thatās the stuff @approxinfinity is pointing out but I guess you see it differently. It will never cease to amaze me the capability humans have for looking at the same facts and evidence and coming to totally opposite conclusions.
I personally, donāt buy the impeachment defense as a. Trump wasnāt really participating much with that anyway and b. A president has to be able to handle multiple issues at the same time. Most of my opinion has been formed from watching the press briefings as I feel like itās tough for any media to spin direct quotes with full context. And those briefings have been a mess, unfortunately with mixed messages, disagreeing with medical experts, and tossing out overly ambitious time lines. Obviously thatās my perspective and yours is different and thatās fine I guess but I do feel at some point facts are facts and a smart person would admit they were wrong. Maybe Iām the dummy holding onto my opinion but it doesnāt feel like it.
Well some appear to love the pressers. Iām not really able to watch them as much I would like. So I really donāt have sound opinion on how they are going.
As for whether a president can handle a situation is all about perception. To often itās about whether a citizen likes the president or not.
Some believe that Franklin D Roosevelt failed the American people by not being prepared enough for the Pearl Harbor attack. Yet in the end president Roosevelt was considered a Great War time president. Sometimes when it comes to politics or presidents itās not what happened is what they do about it.
I truly believe in my heart that this thought that somehow Trump is in too incompetent to handle this virus and run this country, Was born from the constant attacks of the DNC and the left-wing media that never seem to stop. Everybody wants to attack Trump and say heās a liar but nobody ever ever wants to look at the left-wing media or the DNC and admit they were wrong. Seems very one sided to me.
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Serious question: is your stance that nothing Trump has done or could have done would have had any effect on the spread of the virus?
Well that depends? Could he have done better? Sure. Yet look around the world. Itās seems inevitable that the Virus was going to spread. I think the real Analysis will be what Trump does and how he handles himself getting the spread under control.
There is a thought that the Coronavirus has already been in the United States before December last year. But as far as I can tell theyāre just thoughts.
Mister Gates to throw some serious money and time at finding a cure for the coronavirus.
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe Iām a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I donāt buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I'm somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president -- specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it's a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I'd like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become ā not an unfortunate series of mishaps ā but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I'm concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president ā especially by the youngest generation ā I'm worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I've done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didnāt choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybodyās infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he couldāve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I donāt agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that youāre really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
I'm not really sure what your allegory is supposed to insinuate, but I assure you I am not on the fence. My position is clearly on one side and I guess you'll have to label the side that I'm on.
I do not and have not blamed Trump for the outbreak of the coronavirus. I never said he could stop it. You are peddling rhetoric to keep the fanning the flames.
I hold Trump accountable for his cavalier attitude in January and February, and his dismissive comments that sometimes confused and sometimes contradicted the advice of experts, and his slow and tepid response in March.
Anyone who thinks his response was 'good' (or 'perfect' as he has suggested) is delusional. Evidence is mounting that the US will be hit worse than almost any major country, despite our immense advantages (including resources and distance from the origin point of the virus/time to react to the threat.)
He is a crappy leader at best and, there's plenty of evidence that he's actually a dangerous leader.
Well call me delusional. I believe a leader, or a president can only go by the information that they have. January was a long time ago. Plus not to mention our government was enthralled in an impeachment trial that was a sham. And by your statement you are in fact kind of saying that if Trump wouldāve acted earlier then he couldāve prevented the spread of the coronavirus. Is this not a fair statement?
I think the problem that you donāt see is we have a political party that makes up half the country if not more. The same party believes in open borders, and openly and publicly defies any of the presidents actions. Example sanctuary cities, and letās also not forget Trumps ban on some Muslim countries was held up in the courts for months. So Iām not sure if Trump wouldāve acted earlier It would have changed the current situation.
Btw Trump was pretty fast in shutting down the borders, even the medical experts say so.
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas!
https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/ āWHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
I bet they donāt think itās so funny now? It appears law enforcement is taking these kinds of acts very seriously.
You said Biden would be a great president. No worries have a good day and be safe.
You said yourself Biden will be a great president, yet he is guilty of the same things you accuse Trump of. Makes me question your seriousness of Trump. Kind of feel your playing politics.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Ok you want to talk about Biden. I don't right now. So. :man_shrugging:
You need to realize my opinion of Trump has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
Trust me I know how you feel about Trump. No matter the issue you are against him. Seems a bit weird to me, but okay. To each his own.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
As for Biden and Trump talking, I give that about a 75% chance of having happened. Maybe a 50% chance of having happened in the last week.
Orange Jesus
Really? Iām more curious to see if Biden feels the same way?
Iām just asking how can you be so hard on Trump yet are so favorable to Biden?
They are both running for president
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I said nothing about removing him. All you. I am not comparing him to Biden right now. All you. I am simply commenting on how bad his response to COVID-19 is.
And said nothing about Hillary or Fox News
The point is you want to remove a sitting president because of your opinions, but will vote for a person that is just as guilty of the the things you claim. Meaning youāre being Political and that your posts should be taken with a grain of salt. As you have an agenda.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I have one standard. I'm judging our president. I'm not judging Hillary or Biden. This is standard Fox News playbook stuff... Deflecting Trump's shortcomings by making it about someone else.
I'm talking about Trump failing. This guy. Nobody else. Our president.
Problem with that is your sources have been judging Trump sense he decided to run for president. Seems hardly fair, and very much one sided. Plus how can you judge a person for wrong doing when your willing to look the other way when it comes to the person you like.
Good news my girlfriend just told me that Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia and is breathing unassisted.
I found it interesting that Biden reached out to Trump, and Trump accepted the call. Plus it appears it was a pleasant call. Kind of nice to see. Instead of Nancy and the DNC wanting to do impeachment again while the country is under all this stress.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD you're right. My post above is me expressing my opinion. Each of those adjectives, a non-exhaustive list, has multiple stories tied to it that came to mind immediately as I wrote it. And they are all facts. If you choose to dispute those facts, then in my humble opinion, your version of Trump is more like an omniscient, omnipresent being who chooses to grace this mortal plane in the form of a large orange tufted blowhard, and not the lazy arrogant slimeball that I see on my screen. And seriously, I don't think we are going to close that gap.
How can we close the gap? You are a hypocrite. You hold Republicans to a different standard than those you vote for. Hence Biden.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD is that really interesting? He said nothing of substance. The call was really good? Oh that's good. Good. I'm, glad it was good. Am I supposed to take Trump's word on anything as fact or his opinion on anything as qualified?
We all want to talk about coronavirus? Actually no, nobody wants to talk about coronavirus. We want to talk about work. At work.
Addressing your post before the video. I do appreciate that the whole world is dealing with some state of the coronavirus, and the whole world doesn't have an idiot narcissist like Trump in office, so surely it's not all his fault that this disease is here. I get that. However, the overall grade he gets is a solid F for his response.
I will just throw out a list of adjectives to describe Trump's response to the outbreak, since I think we all know the stories or choose to ignore them.
Late, dismissive, uninformed, lying, disowning, deflecting, poorly delegating, not coordinating, distracting, miracle touting, mocking, witholding, self-praising.
Or if you prefer to sum it up... Bullshitting.
Bullshitting his way through the biggest crisis this country has faced since WWII.
And that video was more of the same.
I would say stopping watching all those left leaning legacy media outlets, and stop reading the New York Times.
You see the things you post about Trump are more opinion than fact. Not trying to be rude but the same things you accuse Trump of. You are willing to defend Biden of.
It would appear to me you wouldnāt be happy unless the president was a Democrat.
Thought this was interesting
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe Iām a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I donāt buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I'm somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president -- specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it's a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I'd like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become ā not an unfortunate series of mishaps ā but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I'm concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president ā especially by the youngest generation ā I'm worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I've done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didnāt choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybodyās infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he couldāve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I donāt agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that youāre really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
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@mayjay i know youāre not a fox guy, yet give it a look.
@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I can't even fathom using a public bathroom right now.
Until you have no choice. Crazy how the body is like we are going now.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Awesome. Toilet plume can remain suspended a meter in the air for hours? Too bad no public toilets have lids even if people wanted to put them down.
Never thought about It but you nailed it.
@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I am suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, and I feel badly about that, so I guess it is best to track our great leader in his own words.
As an addendum, we now have over 300,000 known cases in the US, more than twice as many as any other ccountry. 8,000+ deaths. Adding more than 12% every day.
You are extremely smart person. You really think China is telling the truth?
Also letās not forget we are a nation of open borders. Some of these other countries are not. Maybe they Are racist? Sorry. Uncalled for. My bad.
@kjayhawks i know you donāt vote party line tickets. Your like me if you donāt know then you donāt vote.yet some posters on here Believe you. Have to vote Dem no matter what. Because reps are racist. Yet with a quick study of history we find the Dems are racist. Prove me wrong posters! What has the Dem party done for the black American?
@bskeet the problem with Trump is he divides. Iād vote against him in a heart beat, but Dem party and itās voters gave us Biden a man losing his mind and Sanders a full blown socialist. Tell me how Iām supposed to vote one of these over Trump?
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
That political post on social media or a chat room changed my mind..... said no one ever. I always try to agree to disagree like I did with @approxinfinity about news outlets these days. I 100 agree with @justanotherfan tgat free press is important. We see it differently, but I still like @approxinfinity and respect him. @DoubleDD you are a republican, nothing wrong with that. Most on here are Democrats, thatās fine too. Itās not hard to find dirt on either party.
My friend Iām no Republican but I respect what you posted. Itās your thoughts and feelings. Itās crazy I know! But I donāt blame Presidents I blame Congress.
@bskeet i never hear a black American saying the Dem party did this for me and my family. Never. Itās always the reps are racist.
Please anybody tell me what the Dem party has done for the black American.
Think about it @bskeet? Notice itās always how racist the rep party is, but itās never, this is what the Dem party has done for the black American. Ever wonder why?
Letās be honest with each other @bskeet you have never voted for a Republican? Why? I mean anybody with half a brain can see the Dem party doesnāt care about black Americans. Again letās be honest? No where in history has the Dem party done anything for the black American. None? So why keep voting for a party that runs their elections like itās some kind of plantation?
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well to be fair he was was dealing with an impeachment trial at the time. Lol I think from what Iām seeing, a lot of leaders dragged their feet in the beginning when it came to the coronavirus. Most likely They didnāt know what they were dealing with. As China wasnāt forthcoming with much needed info soon enough. However have to Give the president major credit, in that he shut down the borders and air travel pretty fast.
Not everyone is buying the excuses and revisionist history.
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You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe Iām a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I donāt buy into your Trump hate.
@FarmerJayhawk wasnāt Obama just a kid when he ate dog meat not sure? Lack of research. Sorry to night @approxinfinity is right middle aged man drinking some beers.
Yea I agree. Sadly this going to sound messed up. But here in America our poor are rich. They are able to get their hands on certain animals they have no knowledge of or right too.
I used to have a walker dog show up at my house everyday. It was like clock work. They would show up in the morning then I would call the farmer to come get his coyote hunter. You know I loved that dog. It was like we were good friends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney_dog_incident ā
If Do you believe in Wikipedia then you might like this?
@FarmerJayhawk you are truly my nemesis. Ty
@approxinfinity what really upsets me is you. You come across as this person that is fair, and wants to hear the conversation. Yet I was called a homophobic and a middle aged alcoholic (by you) yet you do nothing. If I would have said half that, you would have messaged me personally and told me to cool my language.
You donāt want a conversation on the issues! You want people to agree with you. If a member doesnāt they face the rath of the posters.
Well I disagree with you. I vote for the best person. I canāt help it the DNC fixes their elections.
@nuleafjhawk the Dem party had so many good candidates. Yet the liberal and Dem voters were so full of hate for Trump they gave us a man that is losing his mind. Thatās not caring, thatās not love of country. That is extreme politics. Trying to grab power no matter what.
@approxinfinity said in Is this website a joke?:
@DoubleDD actually i would love to hear stories. Stories would be way more interesting and productive than us discussing ideology I think.
Actually I think you are closer to your Ideology than you think. Everybodyās worried about the coronavirus yet nobodyās worried about whatās going to happen afterwards. This is a game changer I know you know what Iām saying.
So many sheep. I hope you are right.
@nuleafjhawk said in Is this website a joke?:
@DoubleDD We should be friends here.
First of all, you will notice (or now you can notice) that I'm not in on the politics conversations. I am 100% ignorant on politics. If I've ever called you a name ( and I'm pretty sure I have not), I sincerely apologize.
But, the points you make are why I would discourage political talk on this board. It's a no win situation. You can not win, so why talk about it. There are Republicans and Democrats alike that would vote for Satan himself because he was Republican or Democrat.
As far as Donald Trump goes - I didn't like him before he was president. I thought he was an arrogant, pompous ass. My opinion of him hasn't changed, but if you like him - so what? You may know or recognize a lot of things about him that I don't see. (Especially since I'm so politically ignorant)
Just don't let it get to you, brother. Know before you start that if you're talking about politics or religion it's not going to end pretty.
I respect you as you are respectful. One of my favorite posters. I do enjoy youāre work.
The problem isnāt talking politics, itās about being fair. What Iām to to think when posters hold a rep president to a different standard than a president that has a D beside their name? What that they are my friends?
I like realism. Love doing what is best for our country. Yet so many here want to blame Trump for the Coronavirus, yet completely looked the other way when it came to the h1n1 with Obama.
This is why I voted against mitt Romney, and voted for Obama. What man can leave a dog tied up to a bumper of his car and drive down the road yet will be coherent enough to lead the greatest nation on earth. A man that is willing to spend money on a deck so you can stand on top of it until his employees heās letting them go?
I have been fair Iāve tried to talk to issues but because Iām a Trump guy or person Iām just bad. Thereās no discussions there is no meeting of the minds. Itās mocking, laughing, and name calling.
Iāve called nobody any names. Just to try to talk the issues. That doesnāt seem like talking politics to me? And what is that ? the same people are going to vote biden. The guy doesnāt know heās talking to you. He got confused who is sister was and wife wife. This isnāt a flub this is a man losing his mind. It is saying people are going to sit here and tell me that Trump isnāt worthy to be president but theyāre going to vote In a Manchuria president.
Sorry @nuleafjhawk count me out.
@approxinfinity said in Is this website a joke?:
@DoubleDD said in Is this website a joke?:
You called me a middle-age alcohol and you donāt even know me? If this is your politics are your view of the future yeah count me out
I assume you like to drink at night because that would be logical. I never said that you're middle aged. I didn't want to be too presumptuous.
Do you know alcohol sales went up 55% in the US the third week of March?
You made presumptions. I could tell your some stories but you wouldnāt care. Crazy I like you, even though I know you have an agenda.
The point Iām trying to make? You just want to beat Trump. It doesnāt matter whatās best for our country. As long as the next president as a d beside their name. Damn the consequences
Actually had a debate with a flamer from sf . Learned a lot from him. Actually a good guy, very truthful.
Now that was a insult. See the difference?
Not a homophobe just donāt think men should be walking around in a gay parade with their junk hanging out so little kids can see it but I know somehow Iām wrong. Iām sorry maybe you are into that.