Ran across this. Donāt know how true. So take it with a grain of salt, but I thought I would share.
DoubleDD
3749 posts
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD here's one for you. A left of center publication complaining that Nancy Pelosi didn't load up the stimulus bill with a bunch of riders knowing that the President had to pass it, like the Republicans did to Obama in 2009: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/17/nancy-pelosi-trump-stimulus-132388 ā
Itās called politics bubba
My friend I donāt wonāt to disrespect you. So Iām thinking Iām going to drop it for a little bit. Every person is right in their own mind. Even I. The Goal is not to make enemies, but to find common ground. I totally understand why some hate Trump. Heās a hard guy to like. A very arrogant, or asshole as @approxinfinity said. Me personally I wish he would just shave that hair doo. I just find it so mind numbing when a person or poster wants to trash our current president yet act like their person or party is un reproachable. To blame one president for every thing that goes bad is not realistic.
When Obama first ran as president I couldnāt vote for him as I thought he was to young and lacked experience. I was called a racist. I voted for him in his second term as I thought he was by far the better candidate. I was called a traitor. I feel no president is to blamed for everything. Well except Nixon. What he did was bad. Very much needed to be impeached. Anyways I going to step away for a bit. May the debate carry on.
Okay lol
Wow you must be the exception. Isnāt PBS the choice of most libertarians.
Yea but think @FarmerJayhawk you wonāt be at the mercy of the Chinese government anymore. You are protected by the trade agreement. Well unless we Get Biden as president. Then his son will get another sweet heart deal, and then who knows what Americans pay for it.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."
Again itās about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didnāt lie about what he was going to do if elected. Heās pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
Iāll give you the aca, but it wasnāt for a lack of trying. Just couldnāt get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you canāt do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? Iām mean you being a Liberian in all. He isnāt going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasnāt like he left you guys high and dry.
Then donāt promise to get it done. Easy. Nah, he just has cost me tens of thousands so far and I got a fraction of that back in a dumbass bailout. Yippeee. Those are facts.
Well heās not done yet. Those are facts.
Those are facts
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."
Again itās about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didnāt lie about what he was going to do if elected. Heās pretty kept all his promises.
The wall, repeal the ACA, make a beneficial trade deal for farmers, making college more affordable, rebuild infrastructure off the top of my head.
Iāll give you the aca, but it wasnāt for a lack of trying. Just couldnāt get the house controlled Reps to get on aboard. Just curious are you a fan of the ACA? Seems like a contradiction from you? As for the others? Some things you canāt do without the approval of Congress. And can we be honest here? Iām mean you being a Liberian in all. He isnāt going to get anything from the HOR lead by a Dem party. No matter how good it could be for the country.
I appreciate the farmers taking one for the team as We Americans finally got a president that had the balls to stand up to China. Yet it wasnāt like he left you guys high and dry.
Yea Iām going to get in line with a Party like the current Dems. Give me some good leadership and maybe Iāll change my opinion. Tell then yea I donāt think so.
Itās funny you bring up the wall. When Obama was in office the Dem Party was willing to give Obama all the money he needed to build the wall. Yet when Trump became president not a dime? And he was called a racist? Talk about hypocrisy.
Itās being built, so a half promise
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD @FarmerJayhawk has said numerous times that he is a libertarian. he doesn't have a party. Your comment isn't really a response to the issues he raised. You're repeating talking points. This isn't an effective way to have a discussion. What does Hillary treating the Midwest as flyover country have anything to do with Trump being a jackass? The answer is "nothing at all."
Again itās about perception. You say jackass, others say a president that speaks their mind regardless of the consequences. Believe it or not a lot of Americans love that quality. It better than making promises you never intend to keep. Only making those promises to get elected.
Say one Thing about Trump he didnāt lie about what he was going to do if elected. Heās pretty kept all his promises.
I donāt see any need to attack Trump voters.
Is that like gender neutrality?
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Kansas schools closed for the rest of the school year. Distance learning plans being created now. First state to do that.
Wow
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.
I criticized Obama then. It's not about D's and R's. I could care less. I'm assigning blame where it's due. Ultimate blame goes with the CCP, but Trump is far from blameless here. Sometimes I think he could be saying the whole thing is a hoax and his supporters would be like "yep, my neighbor died and my mom is sick but it's just the flu because Trump said China and Nancy Pelosi are making things up to beat him!"
Itās about perception @FarmerJayhawk. You attack Trump and his voters. Yet it wasnāt trump that ignored the fly over country and rural America. Somehow that was your party and you are calling us Ignorant. Yet why would anybody whether it be race, color, or party affiliation get behind a party that doesnāt care about them? As the Dem party has shown.
@rockchalkwyo said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Iām just glad heās still allowing alcohol purchases.
Amen
@FarmerJayhawk look I get you and a few others want and need to blame someone. Might as well be the president. Yet reality is The current President has handled the coronavirus better than the previous president did with the H1N1.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.
Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EOās contradict Congressional intent thatās when things get hairy.
Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.
Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.
It wouldnāt even be an EO in this case. Just HHS changing internal guidance, which happens all the time. Fact is they blew this.
For Trump saying Obama always apologized and made too many excuses, he sure does the same thing.
Now we both know you are full of crap. The president doesnāt apologize in less heās being sarcastic. Lol
Me personally I just donāt think the CDC was prepared to handle such an outbreak. And that is why the president and his team are changing the CDC to be better prepared in the future. Which I think is a great thing.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.
Not really. The President has almost unlimited authority to waive executive branch regulations. When EOās contradict Congressional intent thatās when things get hairy.
Not so sure. Meaning a lot of the current presidents executive orders did go to court even though everybody knew he had the right to pass the executive order in the first place. Merely bogging down the process or the presidents agenda.
Find the right judge and you can definitely make it hard for the president to do anything.
Liked both links, however I think I drew a bit different conclusion. It appears to me this is classic big government red tape. Unfortunately with some red tape a sitting president has to go through the Congress to remove such red tape. The president could use executive powers, but sometimes those executive orders can and do wind up in court. As has been the case with so many of the presidents executive orders.
Found this surfing. Kind of interesting, if you can handle the elevator music.
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
āI donāt take any responsibility at allā pretty much sums it up.
Yea thatās a pretty broad statement. Care to be more specific?
Itās what donald trump said when asked why he gutted the cdc specifically the pandemic Response team in 2018 and if he took any responsibility for the delay in testing availability in the USA (you know, the country he runs).
More than that it seems to be his general attitude toward any happening that isnāt a great success. Further evidenced by his rating of his own response to this crisis as a ā10 out of 10.ā
Who needs sports?! We can all just watch mental gymnastics all day long.
Absolutely a debate can be had on whether the president shouldāve cut this program or another. This doesnāt make a person a bad person, or incompetent. Just means they may have made a bad decision. Name me one President that hasnāt made a bad decision?
However I believe the level hate for Trump is clouding the minds of some persons that would other wise would be quite level headed.
Maybe Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing?
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD see my list of the President's failings and @benshawks08 's amendments which I would hope you would not ignore, as they are the facts.
It's a fair point you made that much of the world is struggling with this. But that doesn't excuse Trump's response, which has been mostly weak, counterproductive, self-absorbed, misinformed and confused.
Could have trump acted sooner? Of course, but remember we are a government of checks and balances. Imagine if Trump tried to close down the borders sooner? Or put in travel bands? The Dem party and the media would have painted him as a racist and so on.
The important thing? Is this task to fight the coronavirus, is on the right course. The manpower, and resources are being put in the right places.
This blaming Trump does no good and accomplishes nothing. Except this will hurt the Dem party at the ballot box. Once again the Dem party is showing all they care about is removing the President.
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
Itās an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ā
Huh? Nah it couldnāt be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? Iām mean letās forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Letās pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
No, I donāt hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.
Thatās pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didnāt do it earlier? What I canāt figure out is why more people arenāt upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.
1: There is evidence that the Chinese government knew about this and squelched the warnings of the medical community there.
2: Unfortunately, there is also evidence that the Trump administration knew about this and downplayed it and disregarded the medical community.
Not sure what conclusion could be drawn by bringing up this fact about the Chinese government's mishandling other than the conclusion that the US leadership is no better -- and possibly worse given that the Chinese didn't know what they were dealing with and could be skeptical in the absence of data. But the US had 2-3 months of data and evidence from multiple countries about the nature of this outbreak -- and STILL -- resisted actions.
That's irresponsible and probably incompetent. Maybe negligent. Maybe maleficient.
If this was the first time this administration had made a mistake, I think we'd give them a mulligan. It's not.
You do know the rest of the world is struggling with this virus also. Right?
Yet somehow this is all the Presidents fault? That is quite a reach.
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
āI donāt take any responsibility at allā pretty much sums it up.
Yea thatās a pretty broad statement. Care to be more specific?
@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
A Democratic plot? Thatās Sean Hannity tinfoil hat stuff.
Believing this requires something stronger than drinking the kool-aid. Not sure if I have the term for it...
You mean like Russian collusion, quid pro quo, or obstructing? Yea no level headed Individual would draw that collusion? That maybe the Dem Party are is trying to undermine a sitting president. Yea no way to draw that collusion.
What? you want me to follow another Dem plot to unseat a duly elected president? Yea no Iāll pass.
To what?
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Never admit your wrong. Deny deny deny. Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. Attack attack attack. Get a new playbook.
Yea I do wish the Dem party would quit denying the truth. Trump has done a pretty good job. It would go a long way in tempering some of the ignorant rancor that has taking place. I mean we now have scientist going on record approving what Trump has done. Even going as far as saying Trumpās actions are saving lives.
Truth hurt much?
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
Itās an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ā
Huh? Nah it couldnāt be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? Iām mean letās forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Letās pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
No, I donāt hate politicians. I just expect basic competence. If the tests were garbage (not clear) he should order the CDC and local labs develop their own. Instead, it took a lab in Seattle developing and publishing results in defiance of the CDC to put this thing out there.
Thatās pretty much what he has done. I mean I guess you can be pissed he didnāt do it earlier? What I canāt figure out is why more people arenāt upset with the Chinese government? They are speculating that the Chinese government knew about this virus for months before telling the rest of the world.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This should make all you happy?
Itās an upgrade over the guy that decided not to enhance our testing capability a month ago because low numbers are good politics. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3 ā
Huh? Nah it couldnāt be that there was a realization that test kits were not cutting the grade, and a update was needed? Iām mean letās forget the rest of the world was having the same problem. Letās pay no attention to that evidence.
Hate Trump much?
Oh Biden is a corrupt and lying politician. It just doesnāt get brought to the day of light with all left leaning media. I mean nothing like having a son with no experience on a Ukraine gas and oil companyās Board of directors. Ever wonder why Obama hasnāt given Biden his approval?
All Biden is? A familiar face to a fractured Dem party trying to salvage an election. The same party that has overplayed their cards the last 4 years trying sabotage a incoming president. The Dem party will be lucky to even retain the house let alone beat Trump.
This should make all you happy?
You know here today gone tomorrow
But will it last
Oh one more thing @approxinfinity the violence seems to be coming from the left, not the right. I mean a person canāt even wear a maga hat these days. Good news though Biden doing better than I thought.
Sanders not doing well with his socialist speech, but Iām bias
I will say Biden so far doing good for himself
Oh and what did Everybody mean by natural selection? Ummm
Hey @approxinfinity you have been so fair to trump voters. Not. No hard feelings. Do what you must. Iām watching the Dem debates right now. Iāll let you know if Iām still around. Had to work through them
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet @tundrahok good point. but if you believe ideas are alive, we may see a natural selection of ideas here.
Feeling a bit Anrwy. Like eliminating all those people that voted for Biden for president? Because we all know heās not actually going to be the president. The guy doesnāt know who he is taking too, or where he is half the time. Hey this is letās blame trump for everything website. Can you imagine Biden if elected telling a world leader to step outside? Lol you guys are unbelievable.
We will go from Obama trying to kiss every world leaders arse to his Vice President Biden trying to challenge them to a fight. Well done guys. Yep letās bring on the natural selection.
An organization that kills more black babies than any other color.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD this is where having a president as a thoughtful leader matters.
My neighbors, good people all, are still standing in the cul de sac as we speak talking to one another at close distance while their kids play together. If we had a president whom they respected mandating that they not do this, they would not be doing it.
He's both stupid and malicious and it's some combination of ignorance and narcissism that had led him to avoid mandating social distancing. The path we are on will not lead to flattening the curve, as Director of Institute of Infectious Disease, Dr Fauci would like to do. This thing will still "flow through the country like a wave" as Trump said but the casualties and strain on the health system will be bad. And if he realizes this, then he is ok with many more deaths than are necessary when the health system is overwhelmed. Maybe he thinks the strain on the economy will be less? He had a "natural talent" for being a heartless moron and many will likely needlessly die because of him.
Iām sorry that is your opinion. All I have heard from the Dem party is we do what the scientist say we should do. It Appears that trump has done what his team of professionals that dealt with the aids outbreak have suggested. What else can he do? He didnāt create this virus. So why the hate? What you think a government official will do better because they have a D beside their name? They have brought nothing to the table. In fact Pelosi tried to sneak in funding for plant parenthood on the financial help for coronavirus victims.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I'm blown away that we are not mandating a social distancing policy. I hope the labs start testing soon.
I think itās already happened. Schools are shutting down, all sporting events are cancelled, and many places of business are shutting down.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
A good summary of the many failings of Trump over COVID-19 response as written by a lifelong Republican:
This is more of an opinion piece. Yea I get it the individual doesnāt like Trump. Whatās new? Hell morning joe was supposed to be a Republican too. These hit pieces do no good, they change no votes.
Try and take a step back and look at things as a third person. Look just at your own website. Most of the comments are anti hate even before Trump stepped into office. They never change from topic to topic. Itās always the same āI hate Trumpā.
So how is anybody supposed to trust you or those that constantly post dribble about Trump? Some have even made remarks at those voted for Trump. Yet none if you point to the great plans the Dem party will bring to the table. In fact the Dem and liberals only goal is to beat Trump. They have no plan if they do beat him, other than go back to the way things were? Really?
On top of that your telling me the Dem party who is supposed to be this champion for diversity, has voted for the two oldest white dudes out of what 30 candidates? And letās not forget the hypocrisy of the Dem party. Here you have a Joe out yelling and trying to fight voters. If Trump acted like this. It would be wall time to wall courage on trump is losing his mind. Yet the same people say nothing with Biden.