Braun needs time to bring his skill level and frame up to Big 12 standards. He's grown a couple inches in the last year apparently and needs to add some good weight. Along with that he'll have to work on his skill level (e.g. get used to shooting as he gets stronger). I think he'll be a really good player by the time he's a junior.
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Woodrow said:
KU does not make the final 5 for Greg Brown. Kentucky, Texas, UNC, Memphis and Auburn.
Lol it’s like he’s telegraphing to up the bidding
If this group sticks we could have a nasty defense in 2021. Lots of, as Les would say, “good looking men” on the roster or committed.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
And Nix will visit Kansas this fall. Date TBD.
Hope we have a real shot.
We absolutely do. He's one of the more wide open five star guys in the class since he doesn't play on a shoe circuit or anything.
@justanotherfan percentage-wise, Svi. Percentage + mechanics: Releford. To some degree Aaron Miles.
KUSTEVE said:
@wissox How 'bout my Astros????? Aren't they a powerhouse?
Just took my Cards to the woodshed a couple weeks ago. Ouch.
@Woodrow I didn't Corey guess on Thor. Are you thinking Dante?
Edit: never mind, found it!
And Nix will visit Kansas this fall. Date TBD.
@jayballer73 extremely creative accounting.
Have to say, it's super exciting to get HS kids again, not JuCo scout team guys from military bases or bottom tier programs nobody has heard of. 22 commits as of now, all high schoolers.
I also expect that to be about it on commits. We'll have some churn before all the dust settles because football recruiting is insane but 23 is about all we can do. And some of those will get pulled from 2021. I looked up the roster numbers the other day: 47 (!) upperclassmen, only 22 underclassmen. We're 16 short of 85 with half the number of underclassmen as most well-run programs. The damage Beaty and Weis did to the roster is near catastrophic. If we hit on every kid, it'll still be 2023 before we approach the 85 number.
Boom. There’s Arnold.
Xavier Foster released his top 5: Iowa (likely landing spot), ISU, Baylor, Providence, Va Tech
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk I'd be very interested in the info on the Pell Grant connection. Not something I'd seen before but would like to review, if you have it handy. If not, now worries. I'll look for it.
Just one article, this one from Forbes, that has some decent info.
I'll track it down. I'm buried in papers at the moment but I'll find it. Good review from Forbes. Preston does good work too (AEI types are usually top notch).
Off the top of my head, Doug Webber's work on passthrough is interesting as well. John Bound and Sarah Turner's work is really good too. But this has been a fun discussion. Always a good sparring partner, HEM.
@HighEliteMajor bingo! The only reason they exist in the first place in large part is a federal mandate. Men's hoops and football subsidize the women's sports to a huge degree. In our case, Adidas pays to advertise with us in football and men's basketball. Just as a matter of KU being their flagship that they also pay to outfit all women's and men's non-revenue sports.
UPDATE: lock city. Look for Scott and possibly Lawrence Arnold, a 6'4 WR to commit by Wednesday.
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk See, you have no objectivity. You're taking it personally. You can't objectively look at the scam that is college education, and recognize the deficiencies. Don't take it personally. No one is saying "all" of it. No one is implicating you.
And you gave a sentence to loan reform. Which is the point. Which is why college costs have ballooned. Easy money. It's simple economics, no different (generally) than when reason prices go up at an auction when there are more bidders. Rapids when the channel narrows. More available purchasers.
What we should do is govern the public institutions. Pare them back. Place significant limits. Understand that public institutions are like the government. They bloat. They aren't operated like private business (generally). Colleges are on the positive end of that, though, meaning, they adhere much better to the bottom-line than other government run ventures. But they are ever-expanding.
The fact is that the costs for a well-rounded education are now too high. There is value to four years, a broad scope of knowledge, the experience, maturing. We all agree there. But the cost now is too high. You're right, there is more to education than the dollars earned. But there is a point (that we are well past) where that consideration becomes minimized. Taking the useless classes now is not worth it given the cost, given the alleged student loan crisis. Heck, KU shuffles off many freshman/sophomore to teaching assistants. A glorified JUCO.
And look, I'm sorry, but for what "social workers" do -- they could take an 18 month certification program with a semester internship and be fine. But no, they need Algebra, they need two sciences, they need electives, etc. When college was reasonably priced, sure. Now, the money spent for that luxury is prohibitive.
Of course I'm objective about it. I'm a professional that studies education for a living. If my work is biased or shoddy, I don't get published and I get fired. To say my employer is running a scam is factually incorrect.
The empirical evidence is that public disinvestment and administrative bloat are the two major drivers of the increase in costs. There's great work out there on how Pell Grant expansions have actually lowered tuition. On your assertion that increases in aid drive increases in tuition, you're partially right. That effect is VERY strong in the for-profit sector, much less so in the non-profit piece of the market.
Just paring the institutions back won't do much. It'll accelerate placing students in classes taught by adjuncts and TA's, not tenured professors. Universities need to spend more on instruction and research, less on administration. Again, the research shows disinvestment reduces the proportion of students who graduate and wages later in life.
I believe a well-rounded education is good for people, and a degree should be more than job training. I've said costs are too high many times (especially since I just finished paying tuition 4 years ago). The drivers of those costs are many and complex. But the best research out there shows the opposite of what you suggest.
Watch this one tomorrow... https://247sports.com/Player/Brennon-Scott-46042133/ ↗
Bwag said:
Came across this reference today
https://www.greatjobsmn.com/ ↗
with this out of the NY Times
Eh, I think Stephens vastly overestimates the amount of radicals that seek to purify campuses ideologically. I'm not on the political left for the most part, and have never had a student do anything like what Stephens describes. The vast, vast majority of students are here for the right reasons and behave like adults. There are a few nutcases that get outsized attention (like at Evergreen) but things are generally very peaceful and open exchange of ideas is welcome.
I'm all for alternatives to college if it's the right choice for the individual. Like I said earlier, more should go the trade school/JuCo route since many come in unprepared for the rigor and culture of a university.
HighEliteMajor said:
The main reason that tuitions have increased so dramatically is the easy money available through federal grants and student loans. The universities have a nearly blank checkbook. No standards on what degrees the money can be used for. Go major in classical dance and French literature, and then, amazingly, you can’t get a job worth squat (see, @FarmerJayhawk, your 10% stat is an AVERAGE. Many, many folks waste their time).
Now, supposedly, it’s a crisis (student loan debt). Folks using fed loans, to pay for useless degrees, and they can’t payback the money because they’re resulting jobs are inadequate vs the money owed.
Reminds me of the mortgage loan crisis ... when the government loosened loan standards so much that folks that had no business buying a home were given loans. When the rubber met the road, they couldn’t pay.
College is a scam — colleges paid millions in lobbying fees related to opening up and loosening student loan and grant standards.
Fully aware what an average is. To be more precise, it's the average treatment effect in this context.
The high quality research on impacts of student loans on tuition are on extremely narrow programs that comprise a small fraction of university revenue. In a former life I reviewed and critiqued their budgets. Met with their lobbyists, CEO’s, or financial people if I wanted.
Lobbying expenses for the entire education industry was about $40 million last year, and the vast majority is for appropriations related to research, not Title IV financial aid. For example, KU employs exactly 2 people to lobby (one state, one federal) and doesn’t contract out. They’re both nice people. I’ve personally been lobbied by one of them. KSU has exactly one person lobbying. Her name is Sue, she’s great. They also hire a firm to handle more of their ag business. Their salaries are accessible via KPI’s database of state employee payroll if you’re interested.
The proportion of students that “waste their time” is really low. The underemployment rate for college graduates is well under 10%. While many graduates' first jobs don't always require a college degree, the data suggest almost all move up the ladder to jobs that do relatively quickly (<5 years). Otherwise the 10% average return would be MUCH lower.
Some disciplines in the academy are sick. I’ve been on that beat for years. Grievance studies, for example. Google it. But the vast majority of us do high quality work on research and teaching. Do you mind showing your actual data distribution of the returns to a BA+? I’m a scientist. I don’t care for anecdotes.
Some of the lowest paying majors play vital roles in society. For example, social work always ranks very low on salary (unfortunately) but social work is a crucial part of our society. The mission of the university isn’t just to train people to get work and make money. There’s more to education than vocation. The role of the university is to preserve and advance human knowledge, not simply train workers.
KU has one of the best special education programs on the planet. Those folks don’t make much. And in fairness to KU, they were constrained by KBoR on admissions standards for years. They wanted to take fewer marginal students, but the state board imposed low standards on the university.
We absolutely need loan reform. There are many things we can do: make them pay some debt if the borrower defaults, tie loan eligibility to outcomes and price increases, and the like.
If our public institutions really are a scam, maybe the country would be better off without us? Like I mentioned earlier, keep an eye on Alaska's workforce over time. The state is radically disinvesting in higher education at a time when it needs more educated workers. Maybe we should let the for-profit folks take over with their sky high default rates, predatory lending practices (mostly targeting veterans), and just as low quality instruction.
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Kansas/ Kentucky? Or are Maryland, Florida, the field in it? KU lean I hope!
I can’t see Kentucky. They just got a combo forward today and will get another in Lance Ware. Oregon is one to watch. But KU is in the top tier for sure.
JT Thor reclassifying to 2020 and committing the 26th. Haven’t heard a firm leader but I’ll ask around.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk Sorry, but post secondary education is a scam because there's no reason attending a 4 year public university should cost what it does. It's also a scam in that it's total BS that society says you have to go to a university in order to be successful in life.
College/university isn't for everyone and that's okay, but the message corporate America and the government put out there is that you can't be successful in life without going to college. That mentality is why there are so many unfilled skilled labor positions out there. Too many people fail to tell students that aren't academically fit for college there are alternatives to college. There needs to be more technical and trade schools promoted to kids who either can't afford college or don't have the grades for college so they can get trained and certified in a trade and make really good money that way without going so deep into debt that they're paying for it decades later.
I will also say definitively that the quality of teaching for gen. ed. classes at universities and community colleges is negligible.
So I will say that universities are a scam and a racket because there's no good reason they should cost what they cost other than greed.
There are a few reasons for the major increase in costs (which are a problem). Administrative bloat and disinvestment from the states. Faculty salaries aren't going up much, and there are fewer tenure track faculty positions per FTE than there were back in the day. And the off-tenure track positions have grown 18x quicker than tenure-track. In real terms, spending per pupil has significantly declined, so universities have pushed some of those costs to students. To put some numbers to it, the best estimates we have are that for every dollar states cut higher ed expenditures, schools raise tuition by about 20 cents.
I've also always been beating the drum that more people should go to trade schools and JuCo's. I did my first 45ish hours as a dual enrollment student while I was in HS so I was able to graduate much quicker. But it's absolutely a fact that the wage returns to a college degree are increasing as the economy changes and a higher share of jobs require a BA+. Despite its warts, and there are a few, a college degree is more than worth it for almost everyone who gets one.
If you want to follow how a state is really going to suffer by disinvesting in higher education, follow Alaska. The state is cutting expenditures by about $150 million immediately. They're shuttering entire campuses and canceling programs.
So the tl;dr version: are our universities absolutely as efficient as possible? No. Are they still a great investment for most students? Absolutely.
@HighEliteMajor education has about a 10% increase in hourly earnings per year of schooling. If we run a giant scam we’re absolutely horrible at it.
@jayballer73 Puff’s dad played with Miller at Pitt.
This smells like KU vs. UNC.
More news, we made Caleb Love’s top 6: KU, UNC, Louisville, slavers, Zona
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
We made Isaiah Todd's final 5: KU, UK, Memphis, Michigan, UNC. Kind of suprised there's no Okie Lite.
High roller battle.
Yessir. Todd has played on every shoe circuit over the years so there's no built in loyalty there. Honestly think KU has the best shot of those 5. UK seems like they've moved on after Todd decided to stay in 2020. UNC and Todd aren't that tight. Michigan seems an odd fit. Can never count out Memphis though.
We made Isaiah Todd's final 5: KU, UK, Memphis, Michigan, UNC. Kind of suprised there's no Okie Lite.
A few tidbits I caught: Kyron Johnson moving back to ILB. Makes more sense than being an OLB in a 3-4.
Ben Miles is officially a Jayhawk and immediately eligible. Along those lines, Les implied we'll use a fullback some.
He really likes the offensive line, "Our line is a big, good looking group of men." It was a positive part of the team last year and I bet they'll be better with adequate coaching and run game.
No comment really on the QB race. It's day 1 after all. I've heard it's close but MacVittie is the favorite.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Guessing Okie Lite, dook, UK, UNC, Texas
Got sort of close. OSU, UK, UNC, Washington, Florida.
Guessing Okie Lite, dook, UK, UNC, Texas
rockchalkwyo said:
What was Chuck dealing with?
I believe his dad has cancer
dylans said:
Is Les’ son Ben going to transfer to Lawrence?
If he wants to walk on! I think the more interesting question is Donte Starks. He won’t be at LSU for fall camp. Maybe KU gets involved? He’s absolutely worth a greyshirt if we can get him.
I’ll also add most times as a student I sat opposite the band side, usually pretty close to Max’s seat. We usually sat close enough to where we left AFH on the floor level. Max would sit or stand close to his chair as we all filed out. Most nights I’d say hello to Max and ask how we played. He usually said something like “just fine!” One is the nicest people I’ve met.
God, this sucks. We couldn’t get many games on tv out in the hinterlands so always had Max and Bob on the radio.
As of today Kyree is staying in 2020
Not necessarily 2020 related but Jayden Russell committed to Miami (OH).
I think Hishaw is a PWO.
HighEliteMajor said:
drgnslayr said:
College basketball (as a hole) continues to decline.
I don’t know, I would think women’s CBB is considerably better if you’re focused on the hole.🤔
Ha! I chuckled.
Caleb Love has been really good at Team USA camp and is really coming along as a PG. He’ll cut his list this week and KU is certainly in as good a spot as anyone.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Interesting nugget I would not have really known from that article...
"This is only the third time under Self the Jayhawks will head into the season with 13 eligible scholarship players."
I thought that was interesting too. Just looking across a lot of elite programs, it's more rare than you'd think to have all 13 spots filled with guys who can play. Programs like KU, UNC, dook, and UK won't take guys just to take them.
CJ Moore had a great KU hoops mailbag for The Athletic this morning. He thinks Garrett starts over Moss, at least initially. He also thinks the identity of the team will be stifling defense, similar to the 11-12 bunch. Not sure if it's breaking news, but Self is planning to play big 80% of the time, then use someone like Wilson as a small ball 4. Could also play Garrett at that spot since he's 6'7 with the hair and is such a good defender. He also reported Ochai's shot is much improved. They made a couple mechanical tweaks over the summer and his shot is more consistent now.
Also, check out how slim Udoka looks now. Dude is really gearing up to play extended minutes. He's thin enough now to wear Mitch's shorts. https://www.instagram.com/p/B0Y3IxAF373/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link ↗
Interesting, but not a lot we can learn since the samples are tiny and guys are adjusting to the new line.
@Marco probably past his prime tbh 😂
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yes, he is young for his class. It's all semantics: young for his class meaning months younger than the average person to graduate high school from a normal high school in May 2019. It's perfectly normal language in education. We often use young/old for a class to talk about kids who are in the top or bottom 10%-ish of the age distribution within a grade, since you'd expect kids born in May of year X to be behind kid Y born in August year X-1 because they're 9 months apart in age. Same phrasing we use to describe height. You'd say, "this kid is short for his age," not "he's short within all human beings age 12." They mean the same thing. Given a distribution of any continuous measure with sufficient sample size (e.g. height, age) there are people in the tails of the distribution. Saying someone is old, young, tall, or short for their age or height only implies they're in the tail of a given distribution, not that they belong in a different distribution altogether (e.g. 10th vs. 11th grade). To bring this back to reality, Tristan is in the left tail of the age distribution for the HS class of 2019. The most common requirement by far is age 5 by 9/01 of the school year. Tristan was only 2 months in change ahead of the cutoff, so there just aren't many kids younger than him starting college this fall, and the athlete group skews a bit older still. That's all I've ever said.
Doke is probably a year or two older than he's listed, but that's a different conversation.
jayballer73 said:
rockchalkwyo said:
@bcjayhawk We travel to Stanford December 29th and then nearly a month off. Next game is Tennessee January 25
that's insane - -how the hell did that happen
Like @Woodrow said, it's just the non-conference slate. The league schedule hasn't been released yet. Our first league game is usually right around the first of the year.
@Texas-Hawk-10 He'll be classified as a sophomore come June summer courses. I said he was young for his grade, which is true since many if not most high major players are held back a year for various reasons. We're arguing semantics at this point and getting nowhere. Point is he's young for his class and will develop more than most players. That's it.
@Texas-Hawk-10 prep school isn't postgrad. They don't have a postgraduate basketball program. Full stop. In education, folks conflate the two a lot, but they are different. Many charter schools are "prep schools" since they focus on preparing kids for college but only have up to grade 12 and don't accept students that already have enough credits to graduate high school. Oak Hill does not accept postgrads, though it is a prep school in that it prepares students for college.
Glad we agree. Tristan is by definition young for his class, like I've said from the beginning.
@Texas-Hawk-10 right. I've actually done some interesting regression discontinuity about outcomes for the kids on the border and looked at effects of a month difference in enrollment age. Makes a difference for sure. Which is why so many athletes are held back a year, and makes Tristan young for a freshman, just like Grimes was last year.
Oak Hill isn't a prep school, it's just grades 8-12. IMG has a postgrad program though.
That's true, but don't say they all went to prep school as a postgrad when none did. The only guys we've had go that route were Frank and Devonte off the top of my head.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk KU has Enaruna listed at 6-8, when has KU ever listed someone as being shorter than they really are?
Wiggs and Joel come to mind. Wiggs was listed at 6'8 but is really 6'9. Jo was at least 7'1 at KU. These from measurements taken by NBA teams right after the season. Frank was listed at 5'11 but measured 6'0 at the combine. Cliff was 6'8 at KU but nearly 6'9 at the combine. I just report what the good people at KU tell me.
Right, most freshmen turn 19 during their freshman year. Tristan won't until he's a sophomore. Just as a couple examples, Devon Dotson is 22 months older than Enaruna and just a single class ahead. David McCormack is 23 months older (actually 23 months and 3 weeks). I'm sure if you looked down the classes you'd find similar results. I know Josh Jackson turned 20 while at KU, and didn't go to prep school. You may be thinking of academic "redshirting," which is definitely a thing for athletes. Enaruna would've been a prime candidate had he grown up in the states.