This team has a lot of experience and it is very unselfish...I believe they will do fine..
As much as I want KU to win this game, I want KU to beat UK a hell of a lot more...payback will be a beatch...
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I would not be too hasty. Weber was Conference Coach of the Year in 2013 and shared the regular Conference Title with KU that year. He has done remarkably well with mostly average players and is down only 2-3 to KU in the last 5 games. If he could recruit and keep top players his record would be considerably better. His voice alone is a huge turn-off but there is no question that he can coach...Coach Self would probably agree with me.
Watch the video at the top of the story...
I believe it will be a close game between two capable teams and not an upset either way...foul trouble might be crucial and our deeper bench might prove to be the difference.
With Forte out they don't stand a chance...
Glad you are here, guys would not touch that "subject"with a ten foot pole...no pun intended. :D
...and why I took over Brannen Greene's locker...:D
The Big 12 will be...as Coach Self said...brutal. Other than TCU and maybe OSU, all the other teams are solid and ranked in the top 50. Absolutely no gimmes this year...
Since you posted the link...did you actually watch the video on the issue on the link you provided? I take it that the answer is no and you made your usual off-the-cuff, uninformed post.
The Suns are a very dysfunctional organization right now and to blame it on Markiff or his generation is just plain silly....make that stupid. They took a team with a decent foundation and made it into one of the worse in the League by poor management...and coaching has not been good at all either. Yes, the twins had on and off-the-court-issues but they, or in this case Markiff, is not the reason why the Suns suck...or blow...or both...
Very smart. Save a total collapse or serious injury to one of the key players, you are not likely to get those odds again this season.
Yes, indeed, but from those number all you can infer is that one team is ranked ahead of another but it does not tell you what the actual difference is. The difference between #5 and #50 in any one category can be huge or can be infinitesimally small.
Let me give you an example based on a number you posted:
3pt percentage defense, KU 66 OU 20
Obviously it indicates that OU is ranked ahead of KU in 3 point defense based on the percentage opponents shoot from the 3.
Now, if at #20 OU allows opponents to shoot 0.30 from the 3 and at #66 KU allows 0.40, that is a 10% difference and very significant. However, if at #20 OU allows opponents to shoot 0.30 from the 3 and at #66 KU allows 0.305, that is a 0.5% difference and not very significant at all....see my point? Ranking simply indicate that a team is ranked ahead of the other but they do not tell you if the difference is big or statistically insignificant.
Like I said, having the actual numbers rather than the ranking for each category would be considerably more informative, don't you agree?
Again. there is a common misconception that the line is the actual predicted margin on the scoreboard...while most of the time it seems to resemble that, it is not. It is actually a number very carefully crafted by the best statistician in the land that takes into consideration all the regional factors and biases and that will result in balanced betting...again, in basic betting Vegas does not care who wins or loses or the margin of victory, it only cares that he money is bet evenly. The money wagered is monitored in real time and the lines carefully tweaked also in real time to maintain the balance. If you ever go to Vegas, go to one of the betting locations and you will see how fluid the numbers are.
Hard to tell...
The chances of Forte playing pro ball are very slim. He might choose to play one more year and get part of a graduate degree paid for or he might opt to not risk and further injury and get started with his career...of course, if his future career involves basketball/coaching, then he will likely play one more year, whether it is at OSU...I don't really know but I would think that he would stay since moving to a bigger program would not improve his odds to play pro. Now, if he wants to get a graduate degree at a more prestigious school. he might leave OSU....a year under Larry Brown at SMU, for example, might not be a bad idea and might get him started in a coaching career.
You are missing the main component of Vegas betting. the line is not static, it changes all the time to balance betting.
For example, the line for this evening game opened with KU by 5. Apparently more people were taking the line thinking that KU would indeed win by at least 5 and now the line has moved to 7.5 and many people that thought that KU could win by 5 but not by 7.5 are now taking Oklahoma...see? this is how Vegas is continuously tweaking the line so at the end the money is bet equally on both sides and the house always makes money on the "vig" which is the fee they charge you for handling the bet. Keep in mind that once you place your bet you are locked on that line even if the line changes. If more people start taking Oklahoma and the money bet becomes unbalanced, the line would drop to maybe 6 and then more people would switch back to KU and balance the money...the basic simplicity of the system is a thing of beauty...of course, the implementation requires very savvy statisticians and a lot of computer power to track the betting instantaneously
West Virginia is now a borderline top 10 team and ranked between 9 and 14 in most polls I have seen. The big 12 has 5 teams in the top 25 and 8 teams in the top 50...that is half of the conference teams are in the top 25 and 80% in the top 50!!! No other conference is even close.
And it would not be complete without this classic...
Here is one of may favorites when a stare from Embiid makes Smart flop...
I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately looking at the relative rankings tells us nothing and you cannot really say that the teams are statistically a wash. There could be very little or a lot of difference between being ranked 5 or 35 or whatever...in any one category. Having the actual percentages would be a lot more informative and useful. It could well end up being a wash, but not based on the relative rankings.
KU scored 40 points in the paint against Baylor...looks pretty good to me...
I would respectfully disagree. Betting, and by this I mean Vegas or Vegas-like betting, does not care who wins or loses, the system is designed to balance betting and make money on the vig. Vegas betting is arguably the best run business around and, as strangely as it sounds, it does not take chances and it concentrates in guaranteed money...and it does this extremely well.
Forte will be a fifth year senior next season and if he graduates in the spring he can go anywhere else and play immediately. I would think there are lots of teams that would take an experienced and well above average shooter senior PG.
If he has not been on the court at all for close to two months, chances are he is not coming back this season.
I saw that earlier...which probably means Travis Ford might not be coming back either since he is already in the hot seat and without Forte OSU probably finishes in the bottom 2 of the conference.
On the other hand, it does not bide well for the conference to go to the dance with a bunch of beat up teams...
OU and ISU have extremely shallow benches. ISU 5 starters played 177 minutes and when you add the 6th player, they played 197 out of 200 minutes; this is what I call a 6 man team. OU is almost as bad, the starters played 171 out of 200 minutes and only 8 players saw the court for a combined total of 29 minutes .
In comparison, KU 5 starters played a combined 136 minutes and the bench 66 minutes. ISU and OU are going to have very tired teams at the end of the season, considering that the conference will be brutal with currently 5 teams (50%) in the top 25 and 8 teams (80%) in the top 50; no other confrere comes even close in top to bottom quality.
During the season the Conferences have all the control over the refs, at the NCAA Tournament the control transfers to the NCAA and the agenda changes dramatically...
Considering that TWC and Comcast are the only systems in the KC Area that carry "all" the KU games, it would seem like lack of loyalty and gigantic middle finger to Zenger... :D
There is plenty of anecdotal information on Drew bad mouthing other coaches while recruiting, a huge no-no in the coaching business. While these types of issue are pretty much kept under wraps, former Texas and current Tennessee coach Rick Barnes just about spelled out in a press conference.
I agree and the time they played against Baylor seems about right and obviously it worked out great.
There is big difference between potential and actual development that seems to get lost on some people. Coach Self's job is to put together the best product he can and win games for KU and the more experienced players give the team a better chance than the potentially better but yet undeveloped younger players,
Do Diallo and Bragg have more potential than Mickelson, Lucas and Traylor? Yes.
Do Diallo and Bragg have a higher ceiling than Mickelson, Lucas and Traylor? No doubt.
Do Diallo and Bragg have more athleticism than Mickelson, Lucas and Traylor? Absolutely.
Will Diallo and Bragg eventually play in the NBA while Mickelson, Lucas and Traylor likely end up playing overseas? Probably
Are Diallo and Bragg CURRENTLY better players than Mickelson, Lucas and Traylor and give KU a better chance? Absolutely not...hopefully in time but not right now.
CBS showed the game from the beginning in the KC area. Stations and cable systems use feeds according to where they are located, Chances are that if you are in the East Coast or the South East Region they would likely show a SEC instead 0f a Big 12 game.
...or Greene driving to the basket instead of settling for the 3...
Refereeing has been pretty dismal all around and rules are being enforced quite differently from game to game and from conference to conference. KSU was at the wrong end of a couple of several calls that probably cost them the game against West Virginia.
Coach Self has masterfully evaluated all the bigs under various game conditions and it looks like the cream is rising to the top and what we saw today time wise seemed very reasonable to me. Mickelson is now the de-facto starting center, then comes Lucas, after that Jamari and Bragg and then Diallo. On time Diallo might get more time but based on his on what I see, he is behind the other players.
Looks like the players have bought in into the system and the chemistry is off he charts. I even see Greene driving to the basket for a 2 point layup and playing better defense instead of settling for the 3 which is pretty much what he did before. When the teams is hitting on all cylinders, which is starting to do more often, it is hard to beat.
Ken Pomeroy has KU as #1 and OU as #4. Sagarin has OU and KU as #1 and #2 but it does not include Saturday's games.
I watched a lot of that game and was thinking the same thing...welcome to the Big 12, Shaka "not so" Smart.
I turned the TV to the game and it was 31-3 in the third quarter and I figured it would only get worse so I went back to watch basketball...boy...was I wrong...
I mostly agree. I can't stand Musburger and Vitale has become a cartoon character and Duke cheerleader but you have to have some respect for one of the few men that has coached HS, college and the NBA.
Pretty much the same thing; the vinegar is actually doing the work. Catchup seem to stick and stay better so it has more time to work.
I have used catchup in the past and it seems to work OK. Of course a couple of applications of dog shampoo and rinse are a must afterwards.
The reality is that there are fewer players playing the 5 than before and the trend is very evident in the NBA where most of the bigs are now playing PF or Stretch PFs and there are maybe half a dozens starting players listed as Centers. HS players follow these trends and most that a few years ago would have been playing the 5, now prefer to play the 4. A lot less true centers available at the college level and most are now foreigners,.
The Big 12 seems to be doing just fine with 10 teams, it has one of the bigger payout of any conference.
This has to be the worst draft projection I have seen in a while. He has Selden at #70, Really? I would think that right now Selden is a solid 1st round pick and working his way to lottery; most of the other projection are equally as bad.
I have always been of the opinion that 10 teams is the best number of teams for a Conference for both football and basketball.
Typical clueless, bureaucratic response from some one that has no clue. At this point they have no choice but to toe the line Zenger has drawn on the sand...regardless of how silly it is.
I wonder if he has ever considered that the audience that misses just one basketball game in the KC Metro Area alone is larger than the entire audience for all that other programming for an entire year he so proudly mentions. If he wants to promote other sports, why are the women's basketball and women's volleyball games also blacked out? and why only in the state of Kansas? Are we, residents of the state and tax payers not entitled to watch what out-of-staters can?
I watched the WVU Virginioa Tech game and they showed the graph of the 5 ACC teams in the top 25 several times, but unless I missed it , they did not show the 5 Big 12 teams in the top 25...that are ranked higher than the ACC teams.Think about it, this is 50% of the conference teams ranked in the top 20-25!!!
OU and ISU have very good starting lineups but unlike KU they have very short and limited benches. In a Conference as tough as the Big 12 is, you better have a deep and dependable bench. edge t KU.
A couple of thought. Markieff has been having a tough time with Hornacek but it will be a dead heat on who leaves Phoenix first. Hornacek is in a really hot seat and the Suns did not pick up his option for next year, so there is a very good chance that he will not be back next year; he has decimated the Suns who are not doing well at all. If Markieff is still with the Suns at the end of the season, chances are he will stay in Phoenix with the new coach. There is the legal issue with Markieff and Marcus that could change things though.
My brother lives in the Washington DC area and is a wizards fan; he tells me that most fans like Gooden and think he should be playing more and also think that Oubre will be a really good player, once he get more experience...
As I have said before, if UC Irvine players were very good, they would be playing for elite programs. Yes, they are tall and decent players but really not top level. There are many ways you can neutralize height with talent and I am sure Coach Self has been working developing a game plan to do just that.
With all due respect, your answer is even more disingenuous than your original question. First, you try to word your question as more generic than specific, but it is abundantly obvious that your point is/was that Traylor would not have been missed and should not be playing. Believe it or not, WE GET IT. Like I said, most every other players could have missed the plan and KU would have still won...so what is the point of citing Traylor specifically?
The point is that you are not the coach at KU and you have the luxury of being a Lazy Boy PG...after the fact. Coach Self has to evaluate every player under all circumstances and decide on playing time after he has all the facts in. Before the WUG most of us would have thought that Svi and not Selden would be the stud at KU but we saw it otherwise. Many players are great in practice and not so much during games and other are not that good in practice and excel at game time. Coach Self's and staff job is to evaluate ALL players under all condition and based on that data make decision going forth, and this is exactly what he has done; now he has a much better idea of how much and when to play the different players and how to tweak the lineup when the game plan is not going as planned. You can only go so far using past experience for players. You know that players do change during the off season, some dramatically...right?
As he and many other coached have indicated, they like to get to the meat of the schedule and have a lineup of no more than 8 players. This by no means indicates that thy will play only 8 players, only that those players will be the core of the lineup and the rest will play on an "as needed" basis...and this is exactly what he is doing.
Maybe you should lay back, relax and let Coach do his job, he does it better than most everybody else and you probably would enjoy the sport a lot more.