I would certainly expect at the very least a suspension...and a remedial class in "Band Formations."
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Absolutely agree. The explanation defies common sense; they knew what they were doing they just did not anticipate the backlash and bad press they got.
I expect this from a fraternity or a student group but not from the school band, directed by KSU employees while officially representing the school. I have to believe that Bill Snyder is not happy and when Bill Snyder is not happy...well...KSU will have to do something.
On the other hand, the KSU band now and forever will be known as the Marching D!cks...:D
With all due respect, the chances of Mason (even with a great junior year) being drafted after his Junior year are minuscule. Even if he stays an extra year and does well, his size will be a huge obstacle to overcome. IMHO, after his Senior year he will be a second round pick or sign in as a free agent...but if any short player can do it, I would put my money on Mason.
lol…everyone on here needs to chill.
Isn't it what this Forum is for...unwind ,comment and chill?
You are comparing apples and oranges. The court storming, while boorish and dangerous, was an unplanned reaction for well earned win over a rival and one done by students. The band presentation was a premeditated act orchestrated by university employees. There is no question in my mind that the person(s) responsible for this fiasco knew in advance what was going to happen; they just did not anticipate the backlash. While formations are being implemented in practice, they are observed bay band personnel from several high locations at the stadium to make sure the design looks correct...even my grandson's HS band does this. Now, do you really think that with all the people and resources they have no one saw this coming? If they wanted to "kill" the Jayhawk. why no shoot the proverbial and fictional "photon torpedo" to the heart of the Jayhawk, like the Enterprise would do, instead of flying into the mouth? I just don't buy their lame excuse. Just my opinion and others, like you, might disagree.
It made the front page of just about every sports site and most non-sports sites as well.
A couple of issues:
The drawing that was submitted as a lame excuse is not what was presented in the live version.
They say it follows the Start Trek theme but as several articles amply demonstrated, it does not come even close to the Star Trek concept.
What does Jayhawk have to do with a Star Trek themed day at K-State?
Having read at least dozen write ups on the subject, I believe it was at least partly premeditated and they knew what they were doing. they just did not anticipate the back lash that resulted from the presentation. At any other school the band director would be gone. A really black eye for the State as a whole. Frankly, this more of thing I would expect the antlers at MU would do, but I just did not expect something like this from KSU; I imagine Bill Snyder is not happy.
You wife is one of the unsung heroes that does the real work while politician claim the credit. I am sure she knows that most American really appreciate, admire and respect what she does; I know I do,
If you are talking about the TWC deal, it involved no money, TWC is giving KU "payment in kind" in the form of "free" programming and showing the other, lesser sports nationally. For example, you can watch the women's rowing team but not the basketball or football teams. ESPN3 also blacks out the basketball games for the entire State of Kansas and the KC Metro area, even when the games are sold out. Wait, there is more...not only a bunch of the men basketball games are blacked out on ESPN3 but also the non-con football games (unless they are on national TV) and the women's basketball and volleyball games.
The worst part?...I can watch every single MU and KSU football and basketball game without any problem.
In my area we only have Comcast (which I use to have until I could take it no more) and Consolidated Communications/SureWest; Google should be available in the next few months and of these 3, only Comcast carries Metro Sports. Last November when my contract was up I called Comcast to get information on the plans available and I was given channel line up and costs. I went into the chat mode on their web site to get clarification on some detail and I was told that I was given the wrong information and I was given a different and conflicting information. I sent an e-mail to the address on their web site including the chat transcript and I got an e-mail back and a phone follow up call with yet a third set of information. I drove to the Comcast Office in Olathe with copies of the chat transcript and e-mail from Comcast and I was told that all of it was wrong and I was given a fourth set of information and was told that if I wanted service in Olathe, that was the only information that counted. My question to Mr. Zenger is...why would I want to deal with a provider that cannot even give you the correct information and whose service and customer support departments are rated the worst in the business?
...and that is who Zenger wants us to have as our provider? I think not.
As much as I would like to see all of KU games, I decide that it was not worth the aggravation of having to deal with Comcast...there is a reason why I dropped them a while back and never looked back and apparently have not gotten any better.
With more players moving to the NBA early, top prospects are now waiting to see who goes and who stays to see how much playing time is/will be available. Like you said, at the end of the last season I believe 7 of the top 10 players had not selected a school...this is going to be the norm going forward..
Top recruit will go where they can get playing time, exposure...and coaching. KU can offer exposure and coaching but playing time seems to be at a premium for some positions for the near future, and many top players will go somewhere else where they can get the playing time and exposure they crave.
A smart phone in the 70's was a push button unit instead of the rotary dial... :D
Well...you can get them on EBay ↗ for $20K. I personally don't like Kanye so I would not buy a pair anyway....but then, I would not pay more than $100 for a pair of sneakers anyway...:(
But things have changed since then. The amount of information readily available on the Internet is light years ahead of what was even 20 years ago. Back then, I had to drive to a college, pick up a (course) catalog and set up an interview with an admission counselor if I had any questions or I could do things via regular mail and it took a long time. If you were lucky and your parent account allowed long distance calls (pricey back then) you could cut some time by using the phone. Now we can access all of this information on line and we can communicate with the school (and NCAA) via e-mail or even texts...all of this from your cell phone!
Yes, I do expect Self to be an expert in compliance. When your career, reputation, and success rely upon the eligibility of your players, you better know – if you don’t, as many don’t, you are placing your fate in the hands of others. I would micromanage that aspect of the job, no doubt. And Self might actually do that anyway.
I take it that you do not work in the private sector, Anyone with any experience in business/management knows that the worst possible form of management is micromanagement. Compliance is a full time job at any elite program Athletic Department. In the very limited time Coach Self has available to do things outside coaching, there is no way he could learn more than a competent Compliance Officer. If his Compliance Officer is not giving him good advice, then he needs to get a new one. To use the talents of a $4M per year coach to do compliance work is utterly ridiculous.
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it". —Theodore Roosevelt
I do think you have skirted the issue I raised, which refutes (in part) your point – what do kids/parents do when a class or curriculum is, post-fact, deemed inadequate due to irregularities (outdated course materials, etc.)? But of course, that could apply to a coach, too.
I not only addressed this issue, I quoted you. You posted a link to the NCAA site where every HS is listed and a list of approved and not approved classes at each school is readily available. The NCAA will not disapprove a class that was listed as approved on its site retroactively...that is just a straw man and you know it.
When a kid is 18, he signs a release for parents, right? This is the same thing you failed to mention when you tried to argue a while back that a coach couldn’t know the academics of a player. I mentioned the ease of a release, and what my son signed during recruiting. Same here. My daughter just signed a release for med records for my wife and I. Easy. Of course, if a kid wants to shut his parents/guardians out, he/she can do that too.
I did not mention anything about a release which we both know is an option. However, when many of the top ranked players are attending, on a full scholarship, a school hundreds or thousands of miles away from home, how much input do you think parents back home really have?
I graduated from HS at 17 and from the time I was 14 or 15 I was very aware of what my grades were and what I needed to have to be accepted to college. To imply that a 17-18 year old kid, on his way to earning millions of dollars in a year or two, is not capable at that age to know whats his grades or the requirements are, particularly when he has his future is on the line, is a very prejudicial and unfair characterization. The student athlete is ultimately responsible to make sure he meets the requirements to play at the next level.
And I think you know from my prior posts that I won’t blame Self one bit on this. If I were aware of Diallo’s issues that are present now, in May when he signed, I would have signed him too. Timing is everything. November? Not a chance. In May when we are essentially down to the last guy on the market? Easy choice.
Oh yes. Finally we agree on something. Diallo is a special talent and who knows...he might be the next Enes Kanter that goes to the NBA without playing a single college game or he can be the next Ben McLemore that sits one year and explodes on his first and only season at KU. I am hoping that he is more like the next Joel Embiid that excels in his first and only season...minus the injures, of course.
I like this...
Oops...
Did you read the original post? it was about KANSAS brands. I like Boulevard Beer and I buy it often...but it is not a Kansas brand...that's all.
The Boulevard Brewery produce excellent beer, Too bad they did not start a mile or two farther west on the Kansas side. :(
I have tried to explain to you the difference between fact and opinion before and either you just don't get it or don't want to get it.. Either way, you can interpret my post(s) in any way you choose....that is your prerogative and more importantly...your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it.
While the buck stop with Coach Self, I will guess tat he relies on the advice he receives from AD personnel that are expert on the subject.. Every AD at a major program has a compliance specialist that does exactly what we are talking about. Do you really expect Coach Self to become an expert in compliance? I certainly would prefer that he sticks to coaching and leaves the compliance issue to someone else. UK is rumored to have one of the best in the business and this is why they do not have as many issues as other program considering the caliber of players they get. There is no reason why KU cannot have competent personnel that would apprise Coach Self of the status. Is Coach Self directly responsible for not knowing the status? No. Is he ultimately responsible for not knowing the status? Yes.
Having said that, we still don't know that Diallo will be not be cleared, so let's not assign blame quite yet.
As far as calling them kids, that would also be a misnomer, Diallo will be 19 in a couple of weeks, Bragg will be 20 in December...not exactly kid considering that at 18 you are able to vote and join the Army. When I was 18, perhaps I did not understand the importance of a retirement plan or life insurance but I can assure that I knew damn well what may grades were and whether I would be accepted to college or not.
According to the The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) is a federal law that affords parents the right to have access to their children’s education records, the right to seek to have the records amended, and the right to have some control over the disclosure of personally identifiable information from the education records. When a student turns 18 years old, or enters a post secondary institution at any age, the rights under FERPA transfer from the parents to the student. Since prep school are considered post secondary, the parents of the student no longer have the right to have access to the school records. There are exception based on tax dependency and allowable educational expenditures, but student over 18 years old that are on a full scholarship likely do not qualify as dependents anyway. Just another twist related to the issue at hand.
I remember now. Interesting that he is not listed in the KU official roster... ↗
Withey is one my favorite Jayhawks. With some decent playing time he could surprise a lot of people. When given playing time he had some good games for the Pelicans.
I count 15 players not including Greene. Any idea who the guy behind Svi and Manning is?
I do understand this is "just your opinion", so I’m not sure that makes it ok for discussion or not.
All it means is that is ts my opinion and NOT a fact. It is what I think/believe to be true to the best of the information available to me and some will agree and some will disagree with it...that's all.
But I’ll test the waters here. You say there are “no innocent kids here.”
I completely disagree. How is a kid supposed to know that coursework he dutifully completes at a school his parent, parents, or guardian has placed him is deficient in accordance with NCAA standards?
How might he know, for example, that the textbook and materials in his English class are out of date? Or that the school doesn’t make sure the class meets for the requisite number of hours? Or other items like that.
You posted a link to the NCAA that lists the approved classes for every HS in the country, including school such as the one Diallo attended. All a kid or his parents or his adviser or guardian has to do, is look at that site and they will know if the classes are approved and which are not...really simple,
I am not sure if you remember HS and college? Most kids know what teacher/class is easy or difficult, what teacher grades on a curve or gives the same test year after year. All these top prospects are pretty savvy when it comes to schools, they all compete in the AAU circuit throughout high school or even earlier and know the reputation of every school and "basketball factory" and "diploma mill" out there and which classes are valid and which are not. They all know each other well and know what is going on at the various schools.
Like I said, in this day and age for a student athlete or family or guardian to claim they did not know is disingenuous since the information is readily available and they can see year after year what happens to the Mudiays and Eubanks that try to skate by only to be denied access to the next level. It is not the the responsibility of the NCAA to make sure the kids complete the requirements to be cleared, there is tons of information available not only at the NCAA site but everywhere. We live in a era in which the buck is passed so often that some people feel they are not responsible for anything. There has to be personal responsibility and accountability assigned to the student and the people advising them.
Like I said before and with all the information and anecdotal evidence out there, for top prospects and/or families/guardians to claim they did not know what was required to qualify is the equivalent of a smoker claiming he did not know that cigarettes cause cancer. Both assertion are utterly ridiculous.
Having said that, I agree that not every athletically gifted kid needs to be going to college if he is not capable of meeting the basic admission requirements that every other candidate must meet. I believe that the baseball model work best, if a kid is good enough to go pro after high school, then let him do just that. If he is not good enough, then he should stay in college for 3 years so at least he has most of his degree completed in case sport don't work out.
Mason is the ideal player. One that plays way above his ranking and stay in school long enough to make a meaningful and substantial contribution...and stays out of trouble.
The one thing Sasha has is that the coach know him from the time he coached the Russian National Team of which Sasha was member.
Let's no be so quick to blame the NCAA and indicate it is messing with innocent kids.
The clearance process is well understood by those in the business and it is up to the student to make sure that he submits a complete package with no inconsistencies or red flags. Over 40,000 freshmen athletes are cleared every year with no problems but we seem to concentrate on the few, high profile that do not.
Think of it this way. Let's imagine you want to buy a home and you go to the bank to get a loan:
You bring your tax returns for the last 5 years, a copy of you bank records and credit cards and a copy of you credit report ad a statement of all other income you earn. The bank will quickly verify the information and if correct, you will get a loan fairly quickly.
You bring only part of the documentation and have to got back to get the rest which might take some time. If every thing checks out, you will eventually get your loan.
You bring part of the documents and have to keep going back to submit the rest and when the bank checks you credit report it is not as good as you indicated it was and there are outstanding debts, then the bank will tell you to fix these issues first before they consider you application. Chances are it will take a while to get approved...if you are approved at all, and if you don't...whose fault is it? The bank? I think not.
You bring the documentation and some of you banking references are from overseas banks and it takes a long time to get the information verified. If every thing checks, you will eventually get your loan. but it will likely take a much longer time to verify all the information, not really the bank's fault.
The NCAA is just doing what it is supposed to do, verify that every body is playing on level field. As I indicated, lots of student athletes are cleared with no problem because they submit a complete package with no red flags and in a timely manner.
Every HS has an adviser that can guide the student through the process, and every student athlete that claims he does not know the process really should not be attending college in the first place. Look at it this way...when you applied to attend college whose responsibility was to makes sure a complete application and HS transcripts were submitted? It was yours and yours alone and if you did not submit a complete application and transcripts in time and you were not admitted, whose fault was it?
From the movie.. A few Good Men...
Col. Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to.
Col. Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I want the truth!
Col. Jessep: You can't handle the truth!
Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
The truth is that we want the NCAA on that wall...we need the NCAA on that wall. If you think things are bad with the NCAA, think how much worse it would be without it.
There are no innocent kids here. With very few exceptions, every top prospect is aware before he starts HS what is expected of him academically in order to play at the next level, those who chose to ignore the rules...or think the rules do not apply to them... have no one to blame but themselves.
So, let's not be so quick to blame the NCAA who is just doing its job, let's place blame where it belongs, the student athlete who was responsible for providing the information necessary to get cleared by the NCAA and obviously did not. Are they exceptions? Sure. Does the NCAA occasionally makes a mistake? Of course. When you consider the sheer number of application the NCAA processes every year without any issues, I would say they are doing a pretty decent job.
I understand the prevailing opinion is to blame the NCAA; I don't share that opinion and it is just that, my opinion, and I am sure others disagree.
Interesting article but I don't understand why Boulevard Brewery is mentioned as not making the cut...I would be very surprised if it did considering it is not in Kansas but in Kansas City, Missouri...apparently Gabriella Dunn of The Wichita Eagle, the writer of the article does not know the difference.
I thought that using the term "cracker" is now judged to be offensive ↗... :D
Sasha graduated with honors from KU with a degree in Computer Science...
It s not that complicated and let me list a few scenarios:
Student attended all 4 years the same HS at an accredited HS District such as Olathe, or Blue Valley or Lawrence. The student is cleared fairly quickly.
Student attended more than one accredited HS District such as Othate, or Blue Valley or Lawrence. If it was due to family relocation , the student is cleared fairly quickly.
Student attended all 4 years the same HS at HS District with no accreditation or on probation such as the Kansas City, Missouri School District. The NCAA will have to determine if the classes the student took are valid and it will take longer for the student to be cleared.
Student attended one or more HS and one or more are in the list of district "under observation" by the NCAA then and it will take a lot longer for the student to be cleared since transcripts for several schools need to be reviewed to ensure the student met graduation requirements, NCAA core class and GPA requirements.
Student attended one or more HS and one or more are in the list of district "under observation" by the NCAA or are not in this country, then and it will take considerably longer for the student to be cleared since transcripts for several schools...and overseas schools.. need to be reviewed to ensure the student met graduation requirements, NCAA core class and GPA requirements.
As I have posted before, any one that has to deal with getting "official"documentation from other countries knows that can take several months even for the simplest document.
I am still of the opinion that the foreign transcripts is what is delaying Diallo's clearance. Just my opinion based on what I have read but I could be wrong...:(
It is really not rocket science...here is the relevant part of the contract that indicated the $1,500,000 for "Adidas products for use by the designated Athletic Program..." at Wholesale Value. There is nowhere in the contract where it indicates that it is for shoes only. I would guess that a complete football uniform is more expense than the cleats.
610 AM in KC discussed this topic most of the afternoon,. The consensus was that at least Briles and the AD will lose their jobs over it. They not only tried to cover the incident at Baylor but the victim was treated horribly by the the school and a law suit is likely in the future.
You can text him something like this...the numbers might have changed since I last checked...
Eubanks was not deemed ineligible by the NCAA, he simply has not been cleared yet.
Being found eligible by the NCAA and being admitted by a school are not related, If eligibility by the NCAA would be a requirement then every student would have to be cleared by the NCAA, obviously this is not the case. Eubanks clearly did not have the grades to be accepted to Alabama regardless of NCAA clearing him or not, period; school do have some minimum requirements for admission. If the Alabama would not take him, chances are the NCAA will not clear him either...so JuCo...or China... here we go...
You are correct. Because the ACT is a lot more difficult to manipulate, many prospects were getting low scores in the entrance tests and thus the NCAA now uses a formula so a high GPA will compensate (up to point) for low ACT/SAT score. This is one of the reason some prospects go an extra year to prep school, not necessarily to get core classes that they might already have, but to raise the GPA so it can compensate for the low ACT/SAT score they cannot touch.
I don't think you are reading it correctly. The $1,500,000 is for all apparel, including uniforms and shoes and gym bags...and warm suits and everything else except game balls which are listed separately on page 6...and that cost seems reasonable. to me.
Here is the actual contract ↗...see page 5-6 where it specifically names $1,500,000 per year...
Here are more reputable links including the Nebraska Athletic Department...
You can look at it any way you want but It is pretty obvious the the info in the Portland Business Journal is plain wrong...
As far as how many shoes, jock straps and sport bras that includes, I could not give a rat's ass about it...it is Nebraska for cripes' sake, who cares...:D
It might well end up being the game of the year...hopefully only for KU fans after KU beats UK by 50. :D
Am I the only one that reads the article differently?
From the link on the firsts post:
"Of course, the athletic department gets the bulk of the benefit: $1 million in cash and $3 million in footwear and apparel annually."
To me, it indicates that it is footwear AND apparel...
And even if it includes both, it does not sound realistic. This is a description of the 5 year contract signed in 2013... ↗
"The new deal — five years, $15.53 million, with $8.03 million in cash and $7.5 million in apparel and equipment — isn't worth much more than NU's previous eight-year, $22.7 million deal that was set to expire this summer."
That is 1.5 million per year in apparel and equipment... I am not sure where the Portland Business Journal got its information but it does not jibe with that of the published contract.
Let's not jump to conclusions yet...
The NCAA has yet to rule on Eubanks and even if they rule him eligible, he was not admitted to Alabama; these two situations are unrelated. He could have been accepted to Alabama and not bee cleared by the NCAA (like McLemore) or he could have been cleared by the NCAA and not accepted to Alabama. Both situation are possible, which begs the question...how bad were his grades that the was not accepted to Alabama? His HS hoping would indicate that academics were not that important to him
Diallo, on the other hand, has already been accepted by KU and has taken Summer classes and is enrolled for the Fall Semester. This would appear to indicate that his grades were good enough to be admitted to KU...maybe not NCAA good, but apparently a hell of a lot better than Eubanks. As I posted earlier, there is only so much you can make up attending prep school for an extra year...apparently Eubanks was way, way behind.
THE Ohio State got in big trouble with the NCAA ↗ because players were trading free athletic gear and memorabilia given to them for tattoos...
Google is finished laying down fiber in my subdivision and should be available in the next few months. Free 6 Mbs internet for 6 years, you just pay an installation fee of around $250. The Gigbabyte internet and cable are pricey at well over $100; I believe their top package is close to $200...no Metro sports either. :(
LOL. Good thing I was not drinking coffee otherwise I would need a new keyboard, :)
My dad has Comcast at his retirement home...I hope my cheering during KU games does not interfere too much with his bed time. :(
If I am a teenager and my future includes spending the next four years in Ames. Iowa...I would be drinking too.
Just kidding. I don't condone underage drinking.
Did I mention I still hate Zenger?
Apparently they were not able to get him admitted to Alabama, regardless of the wait for the NCAA to clear him...which it has yet to do; Diallo on the other hand has been admitted to KU and has already taken classes in the Summer and is currently enrolled for the Fall. Looks like two different situations. If I recall correctly Eubanks attended Our Savior only one year and there is chance that those his only good classes and his previous school, where he did the bulk of ho work, is more likely the culprit.
Having said that...it is not that simple...
A prospective student-athlete must complete his or her core-curriculum requirements not later than the high school graduation date of the prospective student-athlete’s class [as determined by the first year of enrollment in high school (ninth grade) or the international equivalent…]. Graduation from high school or secondary school shall be based on the prospective student-athlete’s prescribed educational path in his or her country.
This generally means that a prospect must have finished the NCAA’s 16 require core courses by the time he or she finishes high school. A prospect’s GPA is also more or less locked in based on classes completed before graduation.
There is one exception. An athlete may take up to one core course after graduation, provided he or she graduates on time and completes the extra credit within one year. That could be one year of a course or one semester each of two courses. Athletes who do not graduate on time are not allowed to use this exception.
So, and as I understand, the additional year will get you only one more NCAA required core class and as I read, students that stay the extra year do it to raise their GPAs to compensate for low SAT/ACT score.
The link that @HighEliteMajor provided before lists the NCAA approved classes for every school; if a student chooses to take courses not approved, he has no one to blame but himself. Any prospect that does know this is the equivalent of a smoker that claims he does not know smoking causes cancer.
I count 9 games not on TV, that's got to be new high...I take it they will be shown on Zenger's employer's network...and by that I don't mean KU but Time Warner?
Labor unions in the auto industry long ago ceased to function in the way you refer to them.
You must live in dreamland. Unions are a powerful force that still has a lot of power in some industries, such as the car industry and in areas of the country, such as Michigan, while they are weakest in the South...guess where the new factories are locating; here is hint not in Union stronghold Detroit but in the South. Look how well unions did under the auto maker bailout, while every investor lost money, including many State pension funds, the unions retained all their benefits including their Cadillac medical plans, which are now supposed to be taxed under the Affordable Care Act...but its implementation was delayed until 2018 when it might get repealed any way. Point to the unions.
Now, maybe @drgnslayr can tell us if he could could stay in business if his shop would be fully unionized...assuming of course it is not now.
Obviously we are at different ends on this issue, so further discussion is fruitless. This threads not really sports related anyway so it makes no sense in keeping it alive. I am sorry I even responded since it seem to have extended it way past what most posters want to see in this forum. Again, my apologies.
Yours statements and tone are just fine and I have no problem with them; I like that we can say what we think in a polite manner. I believe we both make points that some other posters will agree and disagree with, but at the end of the day, we all leave knowing a little more than before...that is a good thing.
Like I said, I don't particularly troll other forums but occasionally an article will take me to one of those sites and often enough I am shocked by what fans from other programs post. Our forum is way above average in the content and depth of discussions, most others are much like the one we used to belong and whose policy change resulted in the creation of this forum. The ESPN discussions are particularly contentious with fans from every program, duking it out and surprisingly enough...or maybe not...KU fans seem to be on the milder side and UK seem to be the loudest and least knowledgeable and attacking (mostly) KU and other top programs is their only agenda; talk about an inferiority complex.
During the Gillespie era, KU gained quite a bit on the most wins race but lately UK has increased the gap...so yes, every UK loss is enjoyed, not because they lost, but because it places us one win closer to them and I really would like to catch them in the next few years., makes sense?
As long as Cal is coaching at UK, just by virtue of the raw talent he "recruits" every year, UK is guaranteed to get at least 30 wins every season and with some coaching, even more...and until the law catches up with Cal I hope they lose as many games as possible because it allows us to catch up and zoom past them sooner....otherwise I could not care less.
I will try to remember to save the link to some other sites next time I land there. :)