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How about "Pure Digital" - No static, no noise (as in quiet, like Perry)
Love me some Steely Dan....:)
Agreed. When Svi and Selden are together I can see Selden at the 2 and Svi at the 3; I guess it would boil down to matchups and which player matches better with the other team.
I think you have it right that a few games into the season, Alexander starts, much like Embiid did last year...way too much talent to ride the pine.
While the only proven commodity at the 3, if you can call it that, is Greene, Selden and Mason have shown potential and with additional practice they can become proficient; Svi is also supposed to be a good 3-point shooter. Look out for Ellis, he will be trying to solidify his credentials as a SF, which is the more likely position for him at the next level; He shot well from the 3 last season but not nearly enough. He will be shooting a lot more 3s and he will be a pleasant surprise.
In all fairness, Lew also more than doubled the budget of the Athletic Department and all the basketball and football facility upgrades including the new basketball and football practice complexes as well as AFH were done during his tenure. More importantly, without Lew, KU does not go to the Orange Bowl.
Yes, there were issues during his tenure but there were also big positives that many forgot all too quickly.
For those of you that do not remember the Orange Bowl controversy, here is a snippet that explains it. Even when the Big 12 itself favored Oklahoma going to the Orange Bowl instead of Kansas, Lew though his connections was able to keep KU in the Orange Bowl; I don't think anyone else could have done that...
Controversy
Although Virginia Tech's selection via automatic bid was relatively quiet, Kansas' selection caused a great deal of controversy. Kansas had lost to Big 12 runner-up Missouri and had a lower Bowl Championship Poll ranking than the Tigers. Some believed that Missouri should have been selected ahead of Kansas because they had defeated Kansas and because they had played in the Big 12 Championship Game. According to BCS officials, however, Missouri's two losses were more of a detriment than Kansas's one loss and subsequent championship game absence.
Pundits and fans who opposed Kansas' selection pointed to the Jayhawks' strength of schedule, which at one point during the season was as low as 109th out of 119 Division I teams. By the time of the BCS selection, however, Kansas's strength of schedule had climbed by a small amount, reaching 88th in the Sagarin rankings and 74th in the CBS rankings. The final rankings rated Kansas' schedule as more difficult than Hawaii, which was also selected to play in the BCS Aggravating the situation was the fact that Kansas and Missouri had one of the most intense rivalries in college football. Known as the Border War, the roots of the rivalry dated to the years before the American Civil War.
Two weeks after the selection of Kansas, yet another controversy arose when it was revealed that Big 12 and ACC officials had worked out an agreement to feature an Oklahoma/Virginia Tech matchup in the Orange Bowl in the hours leading up to the final selection. Oklahoma, which initiated the proposal, requested that it face the highest-ranked BCS opponent then available, which would have been Virginia Tech (ranked 3rd in the BCS). Normally, Oklahoma, the 2007 Big 12 Champion, would have played in the Fiesta Bowl, which holds the automatic rights to the Big 12 Champion's BCS bid. A little-known clause in the Bowl Championship Series contract, however, allows for the commissioners of the BCS to override that bid if the automatically selected team had played in the game the previous year, or to create a more interesting matchup. Oklahoma had played in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl and seemed a perfect candidate for execution of the clause. Representatives from the Orange and Fiesta bowls reportedly worked out a deal to swap Oklahoma and Kansas and Dan Beebe, the commissioner from the Big 12, presented the plan to the BCS committee. The remaining BCS commissioners rejected the request (with only the Big 12, ACC and Big East commissioners in favor) and honored the original selection of Kansas for the Orange Bowl and forced Oklahoma to accept its automatic Fiesta Bowl Bid.[27] The release of this plan upset many fans at both schools and across the country, who perceived that an (4)Oklahoma-(3)Virginia Tech matchup would have been superior to a (8)Kansas-(3)Virginia Tech game. Ironically, while Oklahoma-Virginia Tech was perceived as a better match-up due to their high rankings, both teams went on to be upset by the lower ranked team with Oklahoma losing 48-28 to (9)West Virginia.
ROTFLMAO!!!
In the after game presser, Coach Self indicated that he started all the returning players except Green because he did not pay defense in the previous practice and Graham took his place. Much like Senior night where all seniors start, I would not read much into the starting line up that he used for the Washburn game. My 2 cents.
When everything else fails, we can always agree to respectfully disagree.
We are the Jayhawk extended family and like most families at time somewhat dysfunctional, but at the end of the day still a family...we even have a crazy uncle...I guess I will stop there. :)
The anti-flopping rule is in effect the entire season not just the playoffs; it started with the 2012-2013 season. First time is a warning, second time is $5k, third time is $10k.
TRob is 0.75" taller than Xavier, but keep in mind that nowadays, shoes make players at least 1.5" taller..
I still think "brick" it has a bad connotation, particularly in basketball...
and here...
Glossary of basketball terms... ↗
and here...
Another definition of brick... ↗
Now, this "Brick House" is something else but I am sure Mason would not want any part of it...
Thanks, I try.
Athletes that rely on speed and endurance don't do heavy weight lifting and I seriously doubt TRob does that. Athletes such as TRob that need the power but also the speed and endurance would be crazy to do heavy weight lifting, they normally do lighter weights with more reps. No air muscles on TRob, Hudy would not have it.
BTW, TRob was measured at the NBA combine at 6'-7.75" without shoes and 244 pounds. Cliff Alexander was measured at 5 different camps at between 6'-8" and 6'-9" without shoes and between 240 and 254 pounds; KU currently lists him at 6'-8 and 240 pounds which means he has lost close to 15 pounds since arriving at KU and I expect him to lose another 10 before the end of the season. In other words, they are almost identical in size. Also, the X-Man is about the same height as TRob but 25 pounds lighter; he was a very strong and fast player and one of the very few that could actually play SF and PF...which he did.
You beat me to it. TRob is pure lean muscle. No basketball player or athlete that relies on speed would build big "air" muscles, they slow you down; lean muscles give you power, speed and endurance.
You got some good ones.
Frank "the brick" Mason - Implies a poor shooter, right?
"Truck" Traylor - It has been used countless times. gotta have something more original.
"Goner" Frankamp - Why bother with former players...
How about Cliff Alexander " the great"
Greene M&Ms, that one is for the ladies.
Tyler "who's my daddy" Self
Evan "the second coming of" Manning
Landon "cool hand Luke" Lucas
Kelly "Basketball's Louvre" Oubre
Smart is a immensely talented player with a bad attitude and some baaaaad habits. The League will provide the medication for the flopping via fines.
Once again, I respectfully disagree and I have the numbers to back up my position.
Robinson is rebounding very well in the League. Look at his rebound per minutes and you will see what I am talking about. In last night's game against Cleveland the leading rebounder for Portland was Batum with 9 rebounds in 36 minutes, second was TRob with 8 rebounds in 11 minutes, Lopez, the center had 6 in 29 minutes and Aldridge, the only other PF on the team had 4 in 37 minutes. In comparison, Kevin Love had 10 rebounds in 36 minutes. So far for the season he is averaging 9 mpg and 5 rpg, which translates to a ridiculous 20 rebounds per 36 minutes, a statistic commonly used by the NBA. In comparison, the leader for the entire previous season among players with at least 20 games was Andre Drummond who averaged 14.7 rebounds per 36 minutes; TRob was 12 with 12.7 rebound per 36 minutes 2 places behind Dwight Howard who averaged 13.0; he is well ahead of that pace so far this year.
In short, while not a big scorer, TRob is a superior rebounder, a position that definitely requires strength, and something that Coach Self indicated is what he should concentrate in the NBA.
I respectfully disagree. Cliff is listed at 6'-8" 240 and TRob was listed at 6'-10" 237. Maybe freshman Cliff is slightly stronger that freshman TRob, hard to tell since we did not see much of TRob in his Freshman year, and maybe in the future Cliff becomes stronger that TRob; however, there is no way that current Cliff is stronger than Junior TRob. TRob's weight was just about all muscle while Cliff still has a lot of baby fat; see the photos I posted of both players flexing in the same pose and you will see the difference, You might want to go back and watch some TRob videos and remember what a specimen he was then and still is now.
All these loooooong posts; must be "sweeps week" at KUBUCKETS... :)
Funny...now he has a fine coming, you can't flop in the League.
Just about the only things we can infer from this game is that Mason will likely start at PG and that SVI will be special. Other than that, there is not much else we can say. Yes, cliff had a good game, but considering the level of competition, that should have been the minimum expected; we will have to see how he handles himself against more talented and physical competition. I would guess that practice provide a much better competition and exhibition games such a this help you get acclimated to the court under actual game conditions. other than that, not much.
I am not much of a swimmer and I can sunbathe every bit a swell on my deck and the pool maintenance is a killer. I did enjoy the boat but got tired of doing all the work and having everybody else enjoy it without the responsibility. I am now perfectly happy to be a guest on somebody else's boat without any responsibility other than bringing drinks.
I am happy that you get to enjoy your boat.
I, along with thousands of KU fans in the Metro are blacked out from football and basketball games, but how important are we really? As long as the moms and dads of the girls in the women's rowing, tennis, swimming and golf teams, all 100 of them, can watch their girls do their thing who cares about basketball and football, it's not like these sports pay the bills is it? Women's rowing, tennis swimming and golf sure bring the big bucks to the athletic program...at least this seems to be Zenger's philosophy.
I don't have anything against the girl's teams, none whatsoever, and I have watched many volleyball, basketball and soccer games in person, but you just don't casually dismiss and antagonize fans of your big cash cows, that is plain stupidity bordering on lunacy.
I think we need to start a campaign on Facebook where we all post letters to Zenger; maybe if enough people complain things might change...i say this trying to keep a straight face... :)
...and this is exactly why every major sport not called football plays elimination series (playoffs) and not single elimination.
You don't think KU had a lucky run in '88? Do you honestly think it was the best team that year? I am as big a KU fans as they come and I freely admit that KU was not the best team in '88 and if that tournament is played another 99 times, KU likely does not win it again. FWIW, several simulation ran afterwards verified this much after the fact. You don't think KU had a "little luck" in their win in the Championship game in '08? What do you think that the outcome would be in '08 if KU plays Memphis in a best of 3 series?
You don't think UConn was lucky last season? Going into the tournament they were not even ranked in the top 20 and there is no way you can say that they were the best team last year; KU with a healthy Embiid beats them 8 out of 10 times. They lost 2 times to SMU and Louisville and also to Houston and yes, Stanford among others. At the Tournament, they barely beat a #10 St. Joseph in OT and if not for the Niang injury they don't get past Iowa State...I call this luck. What do you think the outcome would have been had Embiid been 100% for the Tournament? Final Four? KU's bad luck was Stanford's good luck.
On the other hand, KU has had a few teams that in a "best of X" format would have won the title on more than one occasion.
As far as the Royals, in their single elimination game against Oakland, you don't think there was a "little luck" in the 9-8 win in 12 innings? On the other hand, their wins in the series were not based on one game, and the other teams had several chances to catch up. There is no luck involved when you sweep your opponents 3-0 and 4-0. If it would be single elimination in the World Series, San Francisco would have won after the first game that they won 7-1, but KC had a chance to come back and go down to the last play of the 7th game on a best of 7 series; evenly matched teams with one player (Bumgarner) being the difference.
Look at the major sports:
Basketball (NBA) - best of 5 and best of 7 series
Baseball - best of 5 and best of 7 series
Hockey - best of 7 series
Soccer (MLS) - Home and away with aggregate goal tie breaker
Soccer (world Cup) - Elimination Series and only semifinals and finals are single elimination
Tennis - Best of 5 sets
Golf- Aggregate score of 4 rounds played on 4 different days.
Football - Only sport with single elimination due to logistics. Cannot play more that once a week and series would take forever.
I am not saying that going to playoffs/series in college basketball or any other sport eliminates luck, but it would certainly makes it a whole lot less relevant than it is now
Coach Self said that he was going to start all returning players but Greene did not play enough defense in practice so he was replaced by Graham. I am pretty sure this will not be the starting lineup for long and it will be several game in the future before we see coach Self settle on a starting five.
Unfortunately I was only able to listen to the game on the radio since a lot of the on-line streams have gone out of business and the only ones left seem to be way to dangerous to use and I did not have the inclination to do what I have in the past; I simply went out to the decks and cursed Sheahon Zenger loud enough for the entire neighborhood to hear. I thought I heard other neighbors do the same thing.
Below is a good summary of the game and the after game interviews.
Game summary and interviews... ↗
The things that I got from this game.
- Mason is the starting PG and played well. Graham is a very capable PG with a high ceiling. Overall, the PG position is much improved over last year.
- Selden playing PG is not something we will see often; coach Self did not think it worked well.
- Cliff is coming along nicely. Washburn did not have height inside to stay with him, so we don't know how well he will do against better competition. While he only had one foul, it appears that fouls might be an issue going forward.
- Svi is the real deal. He moves the ball quickly which Coach Self likes.
- Greene apparently still not playing enough defense and this is why Graham started in his place. He better shape up quickly or he will be the next man out.
- Like I predicted, Lucas is now ahead of Mickelson although I can see where the situation could reverse down the road. I see them both playing substantial minutes until one pulls away.
- Perry and Jamari had quiet games and I cannot really draw any conclusions yet.
- Selden will be solid and he will be part of any line up big or small.
- I wish Coach Self would emphasize the positive more than he does the negative, but then this is and has always been his style and gives us more ammo for comments. You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar...but then, you can catch even more flies with a pile of steaming $hit. His method obviously works motivating players, or at least most of them, but as Alexandre Dumas would say...nothing succeeds like success...so it is hard to argue with him.
I would love to see RussRob play in the NBA. He had a rocky start at KU but ended up being one of the steadier players we ever had; without him, KU does not win in '08.
You enjoy a boat two days, the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
Boats, much like swimming pools, are things that your friends end up enjoying more than you do; they enjoy them...a lot...and go home. You on the other hand have to maintain them, repair them, buy supplies, insurance...oh well. I have had both and I don't believe I would again.
I have stated several times that a National Championship requires a lot of luck and by no means the best team wins. The '88 team got lucky and won the tournament but by no means was the best team that year. On the other hand, there were several KU teams including the on that we are talking about, that was head and shoulders above the others but one poor game cost them the title. This is one of the reason why I value regular season conference titles since they represent continuous excellence throughout the season and not a lucky run.
Agreed, but he is nowhere near where is is going to be, particularly if he stays more than one year.
I posted a couple of days ago matching photos of Jamari and Cliff; Jamari is cut.Cliff is not.
Close...Embiid was worse at 1-5 for 0.200... :)
Yes, we get it, we all basically speculate here based on whatever information is available at the time. However, you have to admit that when several members, including me, question your post, there would appear that there is more than speculation on your part.
Perhaps you did not word what you meant correctly, but to an impartial observer, it appears that your are trying to say that you know something unbecoming about Coach Self and obviously, we all would like to know what that is. It's that simple.
I have a 3 car garage and I can only fit one car inside and two stay in the driveway. I need to get rid of a lot of junk and make room for a snow blower. A couple of my neighbors have snow blowers which work fine for the lighter snow storms; when we have 18 inches the smaller units don't really work all that well and the larger units are needed infrequently. I have a push sled that works amazingly well and can displace a lot of snow each pass...it is still a hard 2-3 hours of work though.
I am with @Crimsonorblue22 on this one. Craft and Frankamp are completely different players with opposite strengths and weaknesses.
Big differences between Boschee/Haase and Frankamp.
Boschee was a MC Donald's All-American and stared all 4 year for Roy Williams not Coach Self (different systems) and in his first year he was selected Conference Freshman of the Year. A little taller at 6'-1"" but a lot bigger at 210 lbs. so he could hold his ground better on defense. He shot 0.356 from the 3 in his first year and has a career of 0.401 including 0.464 in his senior year.
Haase transferred from California and in his sophomore year he was select Conference Newcomer of the year, Second Team All-Conference, Conference All-defensive team and led KU in scoring. He started 99 of 101 games at KU and in his senior year he was a Wooden and Naismith award finalist. He was named a co-captain of the 1996-1997 team and was on the starting lineup with Jacque Vaughn, Scot Pollard, Raef LaFrentz and Paul Pierce, quite a line up for a team that many consider the best KU team of all time. Haase was also taller at 6'-3 and bigger at 195 lbs. He had a career 0.338 from 3 points so he was by no means a 3-point specialist, he was however a dogged defender and would have thrived on Coach Self's system; the title of hi autobiography is aptly named Floor Burns - Inside the life of a Kansas Jayhawk.
Both Boschee and Haase had an immediate impact at KU and were starters from the beginning, while Frankamp was not. Like I mentioned before, in a different year with less talent Frankamp could have been a starter or a heavy contributor such as Conner Teahan or Kevin Young; however, he came at at time where he had superior competition and he could not separate himself from the field. Nothing beats being at the right place at the right time.
I can help you with shoveling snow part. You can do my driveway; I shoveled close to 70 cubic yards when we had that 18" storm a winter ago. I believe this officially qualifies you as a Bobcat front end loader.
Some schools/coaches will impose additional restrictions in order to grant a release; without the release, the student-athlete is not eligible for a scholarship at the his new school. These are not NCAA or Conference rules and schools/coaches that have done this in the past have received a huge backlash of bad publicity such as Ryan at Wisconsin and Gundy at Oklahoma State.
But we really don't know if this the case...do we? At this point we are all just speculating and as I mentioned in another post, we will have to wait until the next "Beyond the Phog" comes out to get a better insight into what really transpired.
The truth is that none of us knows what happens behind close doors. Coach Self knows every little details of what happens with the team and every individual player down to the minutia. All we can do is speculate and wait until the next version of "Beyond the Phog" comes out and we get the players and coaches perspective after the fact.
We live in a very dynamic world where things are in a constant state of flux. The OAD phenomenon is here to stay until the next trend comes along; we don't have to like it and I am sure that all coaches not named Calipari hate it as well, but unfortunately, it is the reality we live in and coaches have to learn to adapt and live with it or be left behind.
I really hate to see Frankamp leave. He along with Perry are clean cut, homegrown kids, good students, capable players and good teammates...in other words the textbook definition of "student-athlete" but in the current environment that apparently is no longer good enough. I am old fashioned and in my opinion this is not a good development; it is not good for the student-athletes, not good for the coaches, not good for the programs and not good for the sport at large, but as long as we have the Caliparis of the sport, the we are in a de-facto arms race and it is sink or swim and survival of the fittest, all rolled up in neat sports apparel package.
Yes, I saw the part about forfeiting a year; I guess the conference really wants to prevent intraconference transfers...pretty tough and I wonder if this has ever been used. I would think that a student could sue the conference and prevail as it would seem to be an extreme and discriminatory penalty.
Aren't you a little (or a lot) tough on Frankamp?
I follow Jayhawk Basketball as much as anyone and I have never heard or read that Frankamp was anything other than a good student, a good teammate and an overall really good kid. Lumping him with Giddens (of stabbing fame) or Tharpe (of selfie fame) and implying that his presence alone created chemistry issues is grossly unfair to a homegrown kid that has always been a loyal Jayhawk. As far as I am concerned and unless he does something untoward to prove otherwise, he will always be a Jayhawk.
He is not. He has to sit one year; however, he can still practice and play in the intra-squad scrimmage game.
I don't believe a student had to sit two years; from the Conference rules it looks like one year. Maybe I am reading them incorrectly?
This is from the conference rules...
6.3. Intraconference Transfers. The eligibility of a student-athlete who transfers directly or indirectly from one Conference Member Institution to another shall be determined by NCAA regulations and the following Conference requirements. In the event NCAA regulations require the student-athlete to complete one full academic year in residence before being eligible to compete in a sport, the student-athlete shall also forfeit one season of competition in that sport. The waiver of a NCAA transfer regulation for a student-athlete does not negate the need for a waiver of this section.
That was the exact same thing I thought. Sometimes it is better to leave somethings unsaid; this was one of those times.
Sometime you don't recruit players, players recruit you. Frankamp was a lifelong Jayhawk whose dream was to play at KU and he worked his read end off to achieve that goal, even when his physical make up did not favor playing at the higher levels...yes, other similar players have done it but they had the fortune of landing at the right place and at the right time; Conner did not.
Conner got to KU at a time where it was loaded with more athletic players with a similar skill set. At a different time, he could have started or played serious minutes for KU, much like Teahan, another one dimensional player did.
He came to KU ranked high but, at least in my opinion, he did not have the opportunity to (or could not) really show his one skill. Yes, he did not play much except for the last two games, and I get it that coming in cold and expecting to perform is tough, but remember how Teahan (in the early years) would come in at the end of the games and start hitting threes; I did not see that from Frankamp. Teahan stuck around and was a significant contributor as an upperclassman. The main difference, as I see it, is that Teahan did not have NBA dream while Frankamp does; you have to admire and respect the kid for aiming high and dreaming big.
I have consistently stated that Frankamp could be a serviceable PG, a result of his determination and dedication, but he is not built nor does he have the physical skills to play PG, the way the game is played nowadays; his role is that of a deadly outside set-up shooter. There are three players that we have discussed at length in this area, White, Greene and Frankamp and the interesting thing is that when discussing them the word "potential" is always front and center, but the reality is that neither could break into the starting line up or even get in the rotation and there comes a time when "potential" becomes "potential but not at KU" like it did for White and now Frankamp...one has to wonder how Greene is going to turn out. Maybe this is the break he needs, but if he does not see meaningful playing time fairly quickly I can see where he could become the next one to transfer. It is unfortunate but it also is the new reality resulting from new, younger, more athletic players (OADs) joining the team, albeit for a short stint; perhaps a reflection of our society at large that requires instant gratification.
I for one am very sad to see a young man's dream take a detour; I imagine that his dream, at this point, is more like a nightmare. I sincerely hope he finds a place where he can thrive. By all accounts he is a really good kid and also a Kansan and and as such I wish him the best of luck wherever he lands. Once Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk.
Certainly a surprise. Conner was always huge Jayhawk fan and his dream was to one day play for KU. Unfortunately he came at at a time when KU had a surplus of players at his position and until the very end, he was not able to show that he was good enough to earn big minutes at KU. Conner is in many ways a one-dimensional player and Coach Self like players that are more versatile and maybe a place like Creighton is better suited for his game.
I feel really bad for him that his dream to be a star at KU is not going to happen; I am sure it was a very difficult decision for him to move away from what he had worked towards for so long. He seems like a real nice kid and it is sad to see him go; wherever he lands, I hope he has the career he had hoped for. Best of luck Conner.
If you follow the news from the off-season/Summer camps you would know that everybody (instructors/scouts) is raving on how much Perry has improved. If those reports are to believed, and absent information to the contrary I don't see why not, then Perry will be the real deal. Cliff Alexander is on record saying that Perry is so fast that he cannot keep up with him. Time will tell.