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Current standings after first round...fairly predictable so far but now the matchups are getting closer.

The 4 #1 seeds are UCLA, Duke, UNC and KU, the first 3 have a fairly easy sailing to the Final Four and KU will have to beat UK which, in my opinion, had a good case to be a #1 seed, better than UNC, except they would not do this to a team with Jordan, and a much better case than Duke...except for that East Coast media bias.

KU’s lineup of Chamberlain, Manning, Pierce, Hinrich and Mason is really good but maybe Jo Jo White could have been a better choice since he is better known and had a a long and outstanding NBA career and more gravitas than Mason or Hinrich.

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KU released info about FBI Subpeonas • Jul 27, 2018 04:56 PM

mayjay said:

@JayHawkFanToo You missedvthe salient point: a parent "shopping" his kid will be deemed an agent. Period. And the kid will know that. So, if the parent accepts money, it will be imputed to be money to the agent to steer the kid.

Now, if a kid can prove he had no clue his parent was even representing him, well, maybe you have got something there.

As I understand it, the correct wording should be...a parent “shopping” his kid CAN be deemed an agent...where before it could not. Again and as I understand it after reading a number of articles on the subject, there still needs to be a tacit understanding or agreement that the parent is acting as an agent. If the kid has no clue what the parent is doing on his behalf or doing it without his permission then the athlete has a good case to not lose eligibility. Absent evidence such as e-mails, texts or recorded phone conversations, it would be a difficult task for the NCAA to prove knowledge and intent; it was not able to do it with Cam Newton. A good test case is needed to set once and for all the required burden of proof both ways.

@wissox

A team with Jabbar and Walton is pretty darn good but so is KU with front line of Chamberlain, Manning and Pierce. I really like KU's chances but to get to the Final Four it needs to beat Villanovand Kentucky. Duke, UNC and UCLA have easier paths.

KU released info about FBI Subpeonas • Jul 27, 2018 03:09 AM

@mayjay

The NCAA did close a loophole but the main but not the only reason Newton’s eligibility was reinstated is still in place. The NCAA could not “prove” that Cam knew of his father’s activities and this is why he was not officially “cleared” only “reinstated” and apparently, if in the future information becomes available (highly unlikely) that Cam knew about it, then the NCAA can retroactively declare him ineligible and take away all the wins in which he played.

Until the Newton incident, for an individual to be considered an agent a formal agreement was required with the athlete and parents were not considered agents so Cam’s father could not have been considered an agent. Now, THAT loophole was eliminated and a parent can be considered an agent but in order to be one and agreement still has to exist and for the athlete to be deemed ineligible, he has to be aware of what is going on. If an athlete is not aware that others, including a parent, are “shopping” him or asking for and receiving benefits on his behalf then he would not lose eligibility, that part has not changed and makes sense since an individual should not be punished because of the actions of others without his permission or knowledge. That is the part that I was trying to find where an athlete could be declared ineligible for action committed by others on his behalf but without his knowledge and TTBOMK that is not the case. Lots of articles describing the case and ensuing changes but I have not seen one that states definitely that an athlete would be ineligible because of the action of others without his knowledge.

If Silvio indeed did not know or participated on the money exchange between Maryland, Adidas, Under Armour and his guardian then he appears to be in good shape.

KU released info about FBI Subpeonas • Jul 27, 2018 12:31 AM

@HighEliteMajor

In Silvio’s case he wanted to go to KU and his guardian wanted him to go to Maryland and the money from Under Armour was doled out for this which obviously was not what Silvio wanted to do, so Silvio does have plausible deniability.

KU released info about FBI Subpeonas • Jul 26, 2018 04:03 PM

@justanotherfan

While searching for that NCAA statement (which I was not able to find) I found another article with a number of similar case and the athletes were allowed to keep eligibility and were not penalized. Like I said, if the NCAA penalizes an athlete for something he was not aware it would open itself to one big civil lawsuit.

@wissox

Sorry, Wisconsin was eliminated by UCLA in the first round...

KU released info about FBI Subpeonas • Jul 26, 2018 04:59 AM

mayjay said:

Of course, precedent means squat in real courts, too. No law requires the Supremes to adhere to stare decisis.

Since they SCOTUS is the ultimate arbiter of what is or isn’t kosher, they can change their minds and by extension precedent as they see fit, provided a case comes before them that allows them to do so. As I understand judges tend to follow stare decisis or risk having their rulings overridden by an appeals court...or so my lawyer friends tell me.

I have seen several cases when student athletes were unaware that an agent was involved or acting on their behalf and they were not suspended or lost eligibility. Can you provide some information that the NCAA has changed the rules for situation like that of Cam Newton.

2019 Recruiting • Jul 26, 2018 01:20 AM

How about top ranked prospect Janes Wiseman? Looks like he will visiting KU... ↗

KU released info about FBI Subpeonas • Jul 26, 2018 12:12 AM

@mayjay

I get what you are saying but as you know, in law, precedent plays an important role and as I understand, this is why lawyers are always citing previous cases and unless the case cited has been overturned or a more recent ruling by a higher court overrides it, it is considered “maxim state decisis et non quieta movete” or settled law.

I don’t believe there has been another similar case where the NCAA has ruled differently, granting that it really does not operate as a legal system but follows a set of pre-set rules instead; however, if the NCAA rules differently, I would think the agrieved party would have a good legal case against the NCAA in Civil Court. As an attorney, what do you think? Would you take a case like this?

KU released info about FBI Subpeonas • Jul 25, 2018 09:43 PM

@HighEliteMajor

One thing we are overlooking is that Silvio did not want to go to Maryland, was not (allegedly) aware of what was going on and true to form he ended up at KU which was his preference all along. So, the apparent conspiracy would involve that University, Adidas and Silvio's guardian. The Cam Newton case ↗ set the precedent that if the athlete was not aware of what was going on he cannot be held liable.

Big 12 ? Big East challenge • Jul 25, 2018 05:01 PM

@Kcmatt7

Like I said and aside of NCAA rules, the schedules are pretty much maxed out and adding games would affect school work which most of the players still consider important...amazingly enough.

Big 12 ? Big East challenge • Jul 25, 2018 02:54 PM

@Kcmatt7

Games are already pretty much maxed out.

“Under the new rules, teams can play either 29 regular season games or 27 regular season games plus no more than four games in one multi-team tournament for a maximum of 31 games. Conference and other postseason tournaments do not count against the limit.”

Big 12 ? Big East challenge • Jul 25, 2018 01:09 PM

I would love to see a Big 12-Big East Challenge, good for both conferences. I am sure the smaller schools bumped would not be happy since many derive the bulk of their yearly budget from games at elite programs.

Is it time for Texas to hire Bruce Weber? • Jul 24, 2018 11:18 PM

@HighEliteMajor

The state of Kansas limits how much a public employee can make so Coach Self derives only a few hundred thousand $ of his income from the state making him the highest paid state employee. The rest comes from Kansas Athletics, Incorporated, the corporation that was created to run all the sports at KU that get its income from gate receipts, tv contracts, merchandising, licensing agreements and donations among others, although the later are funneled through the Williams fund. In this regard, he has no direct or personal contractual obligation with Adidas other than indirectly as a member of the Athletic Department and as required by the KU-Adidas contract...in retrospect seems pretty smart and this is why and unlike Pitino he does not seem worried about payment to athletes by shoecos.

Is it time for Texas to hire Bruce Weber? • Jul 24, 2018 08:17 PM

@HighEliteMajor

I read that almost all of Pitino's salary came directly from Adidas where Coach Self gets zero from Adidas. I imagine it has to do with what different states allow for public employees and also what accountants, both personal and institution, recommend.

Is it time for Texas to hire Bruce Weber? • Jul 24, 2018 07:27 PM

@HighEliteMajor

Williams has a Personal Services Contract withe Nike and so does Fedora, the UNC football coach. Coach Self's contract with KU specifically prevents him from having one; all the Adidas money goes directly to KU which likely uses part of the money to pay him. The UNC contract withe Nike is considerably lower than KU's contract with Adidas and maybe that is why Coach Williams is allowed to have a separate contract withe Nike

Is it time for Texas to hire Bruce Weber? • Jul 24, 2018 05:16 PM

jaybate 1.0 said:

@JayHawkFanToo

Do you really think that if Coach Self (adidas) decides to leave Nike schools would be interested in hiring him with while he stayed under contract with adidas?

“Whatta maroon!”—Bugs Bunny 😂

Coach Self does not have a contract with Adidas and never had one since his contract with KU specifically prevents him from signing a contract with any footwear, apparel or beverage manufacturer while he is under contract at KU. He simply coaches at school sponsored by Adidas.

Of course, you never let the facts get in the way of yet another loony narrative...I guess that makes YOU the “maroon.”

Is it time for Texas to hire Bruce Weber? • Jul 24, 2018 09:44 AM

@jaybate-1.0

Do you really think that if Coach Self (Adidas) decides to leave Nike schools would not be interested? How naive. :smile:

Sam Cunliffe • Jul 24, 2018 09:42 AM

@Statmachine

I understand that he was busting his butt in practice with the hope of getting minutes but Vick coming back put an end to that. I heard he is really a good teammate and did not get into any trouble so you always hate to lose this type of player. As @Crimsonandblue12 posted, I understand he will likely be transferring to Washington or Washington State.

I would be surprised if Agbaji does not red shirt.

Sam Cunliffe • Jul 23, 2018 08:09 PM

I feel bad for him; sucks having to start all over gain somewhere else...i guess there is one schoolie available now? I don't imagine KU picking up anyone else this year though as the team is still pretty loaded.

I did not even know this was going on. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-07-17/help-us-pick-greatest-college-basketball-starting-5-all-time?utm_campaign=monday&utm_medium=mbk&utm_source=7-23-newsletter&utm_content=link- ↗\1" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Here ↗ is the NCAA write up, here ↗ is a link to the brackets and here ↗ is the link to the Twitter feed where you can vote.

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The KU team is pretty darn good with Mason, Hinrich, Pierce, Manning and Wilt and goes next again Villanova. KU will have to beat Kentucky to advance to the Final Four but in my biased opinion, KU is the better team.

UCLA has a front lined of Jabbar, Walton and Miller but had a closer than anticipated win over Wisconsin...are you kidding me? No doubt fans will vote blindly for a team; the UCLA team would have destroyed Wisconsin.

I don't believe you need a Twitter account to vote.

Vick Coming Back • Jul 23, 2018 07:37 PM

@justanotherfan

No doubt that Vick coming back makes KU not just deeper but better as well.

Vick Coming Back • Jul 23, 2018 03:49 PM

Here is a quick video of Vick against Duke in the Elite 8...

Is it time for Texas to hire Bruce Weber? • Jul 23, 2018 03:27 PM

KSU IS a Nike school...

Jayhawk fan selling simple little shack • Jul 21, 2018 01:55 PM

jayballer73 said:

Ya got kind of lucky with this one lol - - little small for my taste but it'll do in a pinch lol

Maybe a little safer???

LeBron turning over a new leaf • Jul 21, 2018 03:03 AM

@dylans

Kawhi grew up in the greater LA area and played college ball in Dan Diego so I can see why he would want to go back.

Little Golden America • Jul 20, 2018 08:49 PM

That book was published before WW II in 1936 or 82 years ago?

@Crimsonorblue22

He had a 2-way contract which is not guaranteed and each team has only 2 of them and the Lakers have more players than available spots. Based on his record it is surprising he was waived but his Summer League play was apparently below of what was expected. I will guess he will play in the G League.

OH man that was fun • Jul 20, 2018 02:49 AM

Some rain, but not really much in Olathe. The storms must have stayed north of the metro area.

LeBron turning over a new leaf • Jul 19, 2018 10:06 PM

@justanotherfan

Correct t, I meant to write one of the top 3 team...in any case, looks like the Celtics and Raptor have a good shot anyway and the 76esrs have an outside shot.

LeBron turning over a new leaf • Jul 19, 2018 06:43 PM

Well...we know now wh Leonard will be playing for next and it is not the Lakers or 76ers or Celtics but the Raptors. although he might be there only for one season. The Spurs got DeRozan and promising but unproven center Poeltl. Some are saying that after next season he will go to the LA but i have seen stories where he apparently indicated he does not want to play with LeBron. Toronto is a really nice town but not everybody want to live in Canada so I expect him to be somewhere else after next season.

Interesting, several analysts now claim the the 3 top team in the League ↗ will be the Celtics, Raptor and 76ers who are all in the East...scroll down to item 5 on the link.

Svi • Jul 19, 2018 06:24 PM

Svi name 3rd most impressive rookie ↗ in the Summer League.

2019 Recruiting • Jul 19, 2018 02:28 AM

jayballer73 said:

-they talk about he is moving up fairly fast currently $ 123 by rivals.

$123...Is that his asking hourly rate? :smiley:

KU/TUCKY ...THE 2 BEST TEAMS • Jul 18, 2018 03:58 PM

@BeddieKU23

On paper Kentucky has a nice combination of top talent coming in and good talent coming back which gives them more experience that they had in the past. Travis is perhaps the key piece since it gives them an experienced scorer and rebounder. If Calipari cannot make the Final four with this team he will be in trouble.

Svi • Jul 18, 2018 03:52 PM

Lakers go down in finals but Svi makes All-NBA Summer League Second Team.

KU/TUCKY ...THE 2 BEST TEAMS • Jul 18, 2018 01:51 PM

@BeddieKU23

Agreed. Wright no doubt will benefit from the NCAA championship but he and Marshall at WSU had what I call their “perfect storms” when a number of lower ranked players developed way beyond expectations and lifted the programs way above their norms but they will be coming down to earth now, Wichita State more so.

Myron Medcalf wrote the article, enough said...

Recruiting Thread • Jul 17, 2018 04:57 PM

KUSTEVE said:

@justanotherfan Preston has played well in the summer league. He has a bright future.

...makes you wonder what could have been...

@approxinfinity

I would be surprised if Agjabi does not red shirt; he has indicated he is open to it.

Ben McLemore Traded • Jul 17, 2018 04:17 PM

@Woodrow

His problem has been consistency, he played great one game and poorly the next two, partly because he really was not the right fit for what he was asked to do.

Svi • Jul 17, 2018 04:06 PM

Svi has been the big surprise of the Summer League and looks like maybe the steal of the draft.

Josh J • Jul 17, 2018 04:02 PM

@justanotherfan

My point was that the comments appear to indicate a marginal NBA player; however Coach Self made him into the #4 pick, that’s all.

A little different situation. All the players in the USA U18 team are extremely good and top players and could be starters, they were together for a short time and they all had an expectation of playing time; no role players present. At KU, some players know they are either role players or long term projects and playing time expectations are lower.

Having said that, I believe Coach Self did a fantastic job getting the U18 players to play as a team, sharing time and keeping egos in check.

Josh J • Jul 17, 2018 03:22 PM

Looking at the comments above, it is amazing how much production Coach Self got from Jackson.🏆

@stoptheflop

Yep, Preston’s double pump was indeed crazy. Svi barely touched the ball in the first OT but he did play good defense. Svi was often wide open in the corner from where he has been deadly but it was show time and every man for himself wanting to impress and he was ignored; this likely would not happen in a more structured setting.

@approxinfinity

Ask and you shall receive....here is a link to all the stats... ↗

@approxinfinity

First, let’s cut the rethoric down and keep it civil. My post quoted verbatim the words in the New York Times headline without all its typical anti Trump bs. The 2% figure was actually agreed in 2006 during the Bush administration and both, the Bush and Obama administrations, continued to pursue it and neither could get a firm commitment for it in the ensuing 12 years from the major players until now.

By the way, the new pipeline that will transports gas directly from Russia to Germany bypasses the current Baltic states that YOU indicated NATO is supposed to protect and will deprive them of considerable income. Doesn’t it give you pause when our ally, Germany, is eager to negotiate and become energy dependent with the country we are supposedly protecting it from instead of working with its NATO allies?

Now I am going back to posting about sports and stay out of the political section; not a good idea to get on the wrong side of the owner of the site. :worried:

@approxinfinity

I just saw this...the New York Times, yes...that New York Times ↗ thinks Trump did well and got everything Obama asked for but could not get.

Unfortunately some attrition at KU... ↗