He has been available for a long time and if it has not happened by now it will likely not ever happen.
JayHawkFanToo
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Barney said:
@joeloveshawks the down side if Kentucky ends up in the NIT is they could go on run to more wins than in the NCAA's. I like that we are gaining on them.
...unless they play Bobby Mo...:smile: :smiley: :smiley_cat:
Sounds like pretty hyped up story and doesnât cite a single verifiable source. FWIW, Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Tom Izzo are also current Hall of Fame coaches at elite programs in addition to Coach Self. Pitino, of course, is no longer coaching having lost his job already as a result of the investigation; I believe he is suing Louisville.
When it comes to getting elite prospects, UK and Duke are way ahead if the rest. Alexander, Diallo and of course Preston are the players that could be problematic but KU dealt with them by the book and in an extremely timely manner. It waited patiently until Diallo was cleared, sat Alexander as soon as the information came out and was extremely careful to wait for Preston who never played an official game for KU. All in all, all 3 ended up being net negatives with Preston probably causing the most damaged as it caused the team to be short a critical piece.
A lot of the crowds were due to the âmayor.â
I would love to see Collison join the program and coach the bigs. His last contract was basically to do just that for the Thunder and looks like he will retire at the end of the season.
Having had the pleasure to watch Frank Mason develop in front of our eyes makes it all worth it.
I see what you are saying but is it a federal offense or something that should be in Civil Court? I donât know. If I were a betting man I would say the federal cases will fizzle or be settled with a slap on the wrist but the NCAA penalties will have bigger repercussions.
I am not talking about money but how the programs were built. UK model is based on the one and done with players that the fans do not really know since they are basically temporary hired guns. Also, when you have WWW behind the scenes you know things are not on the up and up. It would not surprise me at all if in the future a lot of the UK wins are vacated like they were at Calâs previous programs. I prefer the way Coach Self has built the program which has been an example of excellence and consistency...and, we donât have to worry about missing the tournament.
The current situation is not unprecedented. In the 2012-2013 season KU and KSU were tied for first with one game left. KU lost to Baylor and then KSU lost to OSU and the teams ended up tied for 1st; a very close call. Not the only time KU shared the title during the streak.
I am not saying he is in the hot seat only that the return on investment has not been great for them. With all that talent you would expect better results. Bobby Mo, Bobby Mo...:smiley:
I think the charges were a bit of grandstanding. I still donât see how paying someone for future services constitutes fraud. Sure, the receiving party breaks all kinds of NCAA rules but, unless it does not declare the money as income, I donât see what law is broken or fraud committed.
I can see where schools might have a case in Civil, not Criminal, Court to recover money spent on an athlete that represented himself as being eligible to play but was not because he received money that made him ineligible. Say, Preston received substantial money under the table and knew that if found out he would not be eligible and yet he told KU it had nothing to worry about and so KU spent a lot of money to get him cleared until the evidence showed he would not be eligible. I can see where KU could have a case against him to recover the money. I am NOT saying that this is what happened or that KU would sue if it was the case, only that KU would have a good case.
All the talent and only one title to show in recent years, same as KU, who has not had nearly the talent UK has had and still does.
OSU is like a bi-polar program, either plays great or plays poorly; KU caught them on the wrong cycle. :disappointed:
Hard to keep up with the womenâs basketball program at UConn, it is arguably the best and most consistent program in all college sports. The menâs program, on the other hand, is like a yo-yo, briefly way up and then way down for long periods of time.
I know some posters really dislike Weber and I am not a fan of his particularly, but I have to admit that he does maximize the talent he has at hand. If he could only recruit, keep players, get a new personality...and a new voice he would be great.
That particular judge tends to give prosecutors a lot of leeway so the decision is not surprising. I am not sure if this case will ever get to trial; NCAA sanctions will probably be the end result.
Crazy year indeed. KSU goes on the road and beats OSU handily and is now in 4th place; hopefully it will give OSU an incentive to beat TTU in return. :smile: The top 6 teams in the conference are exactly 1 game behind the team above.
UK has a lot of raw talent but they are short in experience and appear to be deficient in basketball IQ as well. Would not surprise me if they donât make it to the dance.
Another interesting tidbit. UConn, the team with whom some member indicated they would trade records, has become largely irrelevant â, missing the tournament regularly and getting ready to fire the coach. In comparison, KU is a text book example of excellence and...no how, no way, no maâam...I trade records with them, tournament titles notwithstanding.
Nicely put. IMHO, part of being a member of the forum is to contribute with posts expressing different opinions, particularly with subjects with sports related controversial subjects. I try to contribute as much as I can but I will not touch posts in the political section, too much acrimony with that subject and not why I signed on to this forumn; I prefer to stick to sports, particularly KU basketball.
I am not an lawyer (just play one on the Internet) but it always seemed to me that the FBI case was a stretch. Maybe the process created a lot of NCAA violations but did not break any federal laws per se.
I donât see how this would be different than a corporation telling a kid...we will pay for your college but you will come to work for us when you graduate and we will give you a signing bonus as well. Isnât this what the military academies do anyway? You attend one one the academies on a full government paid scholarship and then you have a 5 year commitment afterwards.
Interesting. The funny thing is that if @HighEliteMajor and I were congressmen/politicians I believe we would be in agreement 100% of the time.
A typical sports forum?
This has been a season for the ages. No clear favorite at this time and the regular season has still ways to go...Vegas must be going crazy. :smile:
I gave you a response but since it does not fit your ânarrativeâ you pretend I did not. Cute.
Perhaps you have heard the expression...
The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. - Lao Tzu
Last nightâs win was that first step. Perhaps KU does not win the conference title but without last nightâs win the odds would be considerably longer, so yes, the win changes things quite a bit and puts a lot more pressure on TTU and takes some off KU. To most people this is a big deal, particularly when it looked like the teams might have finally gotten on the right track, but apparently to you is not, but then, you would rather have a Final Four than one of the most amazing records in all sports that will place KU in a place of its own and one that might never be broken. SMH.
You can try to spin it any way you want. You used what in politics is called push polling where questions are worded like ...if you found out that XXX frequents strip joints would you still vote for him? Of course there is no evidence that it ever happened but still leaves a big negative impression. Your question about whether Vick and Newman were a cancer on the team was exactly that. I certainly have no evidence that this is the case and I am pretty sure nobody else other than coach Self and staff would know that but we spent a good day discussing it...and the "alleged" pot issue... as if it was real.
Now, you are comparing the importance of an easy game against a nobody mid-major, Albany, against very tough conference game with heavy title implications and claim that both are just wins and nothing else? Really? and I mean REALLY?
You talk about patterns but if you want to look at them look at the one at ISU, 4 convincing wins in a row, all of them with margins larger than all the KU conference wins except for one at home including 3 again the other 3 top team in the conference and 3 of those teams have already beaten KU and at a place where KU has traditionally has had a hard time. More importantly, the win avoids, for the time being, having to depend on other teams to help securing the title. How can this win not be a big momentum changer as @drgnslayr mentioned?
The win at WVU was big because it stopped the bleeding and got KU back in contention; last night's game was equally as important.
I am at a loss to understand why you try so hard to diminish what KU did last night. Don't answer I am sure we all know.
Did you even bother to read my post? What does a non-con win has anything to do with the conference race?
The two players you referred as cancer had excellent games and that changes the narrative, at least for the time being. KU had a very good game, if DevontĂŠ and Svi shoot even close to their averages the game is a blowout. ISU had played very well at home in conference play and Hilton has been a place where KU has struggled, it was a very good win. Lastly, the win means, at least at this time, that KU does not need help from other teams to win the title. How in Godâs green earth does this donât mean anything?
One of the losses would be to KU., so one other loss in addition to KU.
Blown said:
@KUSTEVE i agree with your take but it still doesnât explain why he answered every other question except that one.
Likely that question was out of his comfort level?
@drgnslayr me too...
I was just looking at that table yesterday. Interesting that Syracuse has 3 players in the top 6.
I am not sure why you feel yesterdayâs win was not important or does not change anything. Look at ISUâs record at home in its last 4 conference games.
- Baylor - win 75-65, 10 points
- TTU - win 70-52, 18 points
- WWU - 93-77, 16 points
- OU - 88-80, 8 points
All convincing wins and 3 of those against the top team in the conference and 3 of those 4 teams have already beaten KU. Every KU conference win, except for one KSU game has been by 7 points or less. On paper, it looked like ISU should have won that game instead KU played well, including the two players that you though might be a cancer on the team, and won a game when its best two shooters were ice cold.
A loss last night and KU would have needed help from other teams to win the conference. Now, if it runs the table it finishes no worse than tied for the title...how exactly does this not change anything?
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark the worst team beat ou and West Virginia
This doesn't change that they are easily the worst team in the league. I expect them to turn it around in a big way next year though.
They also beat TTU at home, that is all the top teams in the conference not called KU. ISU is super tough at home and Hilton has been KUâs kryptonite. Really good win this evening.
I told you guys before and I will tell you again...while we are playing checkers Coach Self is playing 3-D chess and he understands that to win the game sometime you have to sacrifice a few pieces. He knew the team had serious flaws and took drastic action to make it well.
Imagine that...:smile:
Half way through the second half KU had 3 fouls and ISU 4 for the half, next time I checked KU had 8 and ISU only 4. A 5-1 foul calls favoring ISU, no wonder Newman fouled out. Also, a couple of the fouls on Lightfoot should have been charges instead of blocks. Even with all the ISU fouls at the end KU was called for 20 and ISU for 18. I donât want to hear anyone saying KU gets the calls.
Devonte uncharacteristically cold but KU gets the win. One game at a time...
Desperately trying to give it away...
Gotta make them FTs...
KU had 3 fouls and ISU 4 and now is KU 8 and ISU 5...
Young 0-9 from 3, 11-11 from the FT. 19 points.
Come on guys, lay off Devonte, you are bringing bad karma.
OU down 3.
ISU Disney to one time out.
OU and tech on a close game.
At least we are drawing fouls. It might be the difference at the end of the game.
So far, so good. KU up by 5, OU up by 1 at half time. Scores were almost identical until the last few seconds.
KU winning...of course...:wink:
It better work. :smiley:
The only truly big announcement would be Langford committing to KU which I find highly unlikely at this time. It would also means that either Vick, Newman or both are not coming back.
Now, if Preston has been playing for expenses only and no salary and he has been keeping with his school work via the Internet, would he still be eligible if the NCAA clears him?
Unfortunately playing time is not an incentive, deterrent or provides any leverage. You have Devonte playing 40 mpg, Doke and Lightfoot take another 40 minutes and Svi takes around 35 so you have 85 minutes left to distribute among Newman, Vick and Garret or 25- 30 minutes each, regardless, since the rest of the players don't see the court much.
Svi has asked to play around 30 minutes or less, if I am not mistaken, which would seem to be a good number for a starter, so there is plenty of uncontested playing time available.
Vick and Newman who appears to be the ones in the most trouble with Coach Self know there will be plenty of playing time so perhaps they do not feel like they have to earn it.