Why are people not running across Lawrence screaming this at the top of their lungs???
You mean like a chicken with his head cut off? Well, we leave that to you.
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Nice. DevontĂŠâs comments nicely sum it up what went on.
It would make a good Seinfeld episode. :smile:
The selection and seeding has changed quite a bit now and it has switched to a system of quadrants â which assigns more weight to neutral and road games. The conference schedule provides plenty of opportunities to pad the resume with wins against top teams so the weak pre-conference schedule does not hurt as much as it helps teams from the smaller conferences that play strong pre-conference road schedules.
KU is really well positioned with the most wins in quadrant 1. Sometimes we take the team for granted and concentrate on the losses and donât really realize how many good wins the team has and how good its SOS is.
I see what you did. I like it.:smile:
I didnât either, I said he might end up being the steal of the class. He has good hands and he can dribble just fine; he played PG in HS and he was the Gatorade POY inTexas playing that position.
Yes, I did. A lot of talent and the game was actually competitive for a change; team Curry led the entire game but team LeBron pulled it off at the very end.
I lived in Europe for 2 years, have you?
Embiid had a very nice game.
Thanks for the assist, corrected now. :smile:
I can understand why Huggins was so upset. The referring is inconsistent.
Inconsistent to Huggy as in...why are they calling all these fouls on us? We usually get away with the hacking and it is not fair the start calling them now. I better get a âTâ or two now so I have an excuse for blowing a double digit lead for the 3rd time in a row against KU. :smiley:
...and they have not even played WVU. :smile:
Do you remember having this discussion early in the season when KU's SO was pretty low? Most elite programs have weak SOS before conference because the play cupcakes. Most cupcakes have seriously good SOS at the bogging oif the season because they play the part of a punching bag for elite teams. Once conference play starts the SOS becomes more realistic. Pre-conference play SOS has not that much weight, particularly for teams in elite conferences that play tough conference schedules.
Look at the shot/foul summary that @dylans posted of the last 8 minutes.
Where did you get that SOS ranking for KSU? Sagaring has KSU's SOS at the 42, Massey 45, Pomeroy 49 and the NCAA at 58. Once Conference play started the SOS for all the Conference teams went way up.
Sure you do. Say hello to disco and bell bottoms for me. :smile:
So, if one team has a game plan that leads to commiting fouls and the other has one that lead to not fouling, the FTs should still be balanced?
When even the sports writer from the KC Star...we are talking the KU hating KC Start... thinks Huggins has no case you have to conclude the referring was not out of the norm. Look at how many fouls WVU and KU were called until the last 8 second of the game and it is pretty much in line with the average for WVU games.
Yada, yada, yada...
I was referring to you statement:
"The British kicked the scoffing Frenchâs ASSes until now when France is everyoneâs bitch."
emphasis on the "NOW" and "IS"
How IS France NOW everyone's bitch when they have the second largest economy in the the biggest and strongest military in Western Europe?
You are still living in the 20th century and are painfully unaware of what is going on in Europe. SMH.
It was on the Internet so it must be true... :smiley:
I am there with you. I might try Direct TV, they have promotion going for $10 per month for 3 months. Then, I will switch to YouTube TV that is now finally available on Roku, 3 streams, lots of Chanelâs including ESPN and Fox, lots of local station carried and unlimited recording for $35 per month.
But why canât we objectively look at the last 8 minutes of this game and simply admit that we significantly benefited by the calls and non-calls?
Isnât this a text book example of an oxymoron?
Letâs be objective but letâs look at only the last 8 minutes of the game...ummm, no. If you want to be objective you look at the entire game when even ESPN though fouls were not being called on WVU.
Doke does not play nearly the minutes Young does. Towards the end of the game he was completely gassed. Typically, bigger players tire a lot sooner than the smaller guys.
And no, in the last 8 minutes, there are not a âequal number of calls that went the other way.
On this we agree to disagree.
Sometimes you pay not just for the field performance but for the off-the field intangibles. Hosmer was well liked by the fans and had a great image that is hard to quantify but makes people like me, who are not really big baseball fans, follow the Royals. Really sorry to see him leave.
Other than in a blow out, typically more fouls are called in the last few minutes of close games, particularly when teams that play like WVU get tired and sloppy.
As others have mentioned in the various threads on the subject, you can find an equal number of calls that went the other way.
When ESPN...yes, ESPN...says...the refs need to start calling all these fouls on WVU and not just warning them not to do it..or words to that effect, then you know refereeind did not favor KU.
@HighEliteMajor as far as more fouls being called at the end, this is normal. When players that play tight defense, like WVU does, get tired they get sloppy and cannot move fast and foul more often than not. You mentioned several calls that favored KU but there are as many that went the other way. Most of the early fouls called on WVU were in the act of shooting while penetrating and resulted in FTs being awarded while most of the ones called on KU were not in the act of shooting with no FTs awarded.
No, I didnât; you seem to indicate the refereeing favored KU which is not the case. Huggins had no reason to be that upset when you look at the numbers in context and why there was disparity; when a team plays like WVU does you should expect disparity in fouls, ergo free throws.
Hosmer is/was my favorite Royalâs player.
Thank you for the info. So much for the rumors that ran rampant about friction between them.
jaybate 1.0 said: @mayjay
The British kicked the scoffing French's ASSes until now when France is everyone's bitch.
Oui?
No, no.
How do you figure that? France has the second largest economy in Western Europe (Germany is first) and the most powerful military...yes, more powerful than the British. You are looking at a dated stereotype that has not been true for a while now.
You are taking two numbers and looking at them out of context. Look at my posts on the other threads and you will see the numbers are not that unreasonable or out of the norm.
Hold on just a second. We need to look at the numbers in context before stating as a fact that the refereeing was one sided.
The foul count itself was 26 for WVU and 14 for KU. The last 4 fouls against WVU were in the last 8 seconds of the game which makes the count for basically the entire game a more realistic 22 to 14. When you consider that the average for WVUk games is 21 to 17, then the foul count is not that out of the norm.
Now, we know that until a team gets into the bonus or the foul is not committed in the act of shooting then no free throws are awarded. WVU was shooting lights out from the outside and not taking it to the hoop, which normally happens when the outside shots are going in, so most of the fouls KU was called for were of the non-shooting variety while KU was not hitting from the outside so it was penetrating a lot more and when it got fouled I was during the act of shooting resulting in free throws.
Were there bad calls? Sure, there always are but it went both ways. Bilas even commented that fouls were not being called on WVU.
When you look at it in context it really is not as bad as just saying 35-2...wouldnât you all agree?
Spoken like a lawyer. I never said I agreed with what Hoover or the FBI under Hoover did, right? I believe what he did was a travesty and unprecedented and he accumulated so much power that presidents were afraid to fire him so he marched on.
I also clearly said that people back then did not have access to the information we have now so they did not know what went on under Hoover so, even if it was by ignorance, the opinion of the FBI was not as bad as it seems to be now, right?
I was never a fan of John Kennedy or the Kennedy clan. I though he was a below average president with a pretty bankrupt moral compass.
The OU game was a rude awakening and a wake call for Doke about the importance of FTs and he has improved by leaps and bounds. It is obvious he is working hard on his form and I will take 7-10 any day. đđ
Perhaps you should look at the scoreboard first. The fouls were 26 for WVU and 14 for KU, the difference was that many of the fouls by WVU were during active shooting while most of KU were not shooting fouls. Bilas commented that the refs should have been calling more fouls on WVU instead of just warning the players. There were also a number of free throws at the end due to WVU fouling and the technical on Huggy.
Saying only that the FT were 35-2 without context is very missleading.
DNA of a Champion...I like it.
Holy shit...it is happening again...
It was. He had position and both feet outside the circle.
That is really not the way it works in real life. Attorneys have an expression that says...a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. Grand jury rules are heavily biased towards the prosecution and getting an indictment really does not say much to the actual merits of the case only that the largely one sided and uncontested information presented by the prosecutor meets some minimum threshold.
Considering how known to be false information was recently used to obtain warrants in FISA court, can you be sure it is not the same case here?
You realized that Hoover has been dead for over 45 years, right? Back then we did not have internet or cable news or the access to information we have now so the average American had little information on what went on and believed the FBI did a good job and did not have the bad impression it has now.
The agency was cleaned up extensively after Hoover and was generally considered to be doing a good job. In the last few year, the FBI along with other government agencies was âweaponizedâ to become an arm of a political party. This not to say that every employee and agent is corrup but then, policy is no made by the rank and file but comes from the top where the problem lies. If you donât see that then I donât know what to tell you.
In a previous post you said...
âThe targets, in case anyone hasnât noticed, are universities.â
Really? The indictment indicates that the universities are the victims...so, which is it?
This reminds me of Chinatown...
Evelyn Mulwray: She's my daughter.
[Gittes slaps Evelyn]
Jake Gittes: I said I want the truth!
Evelyn Mulwray: She's my sister...
[slap]
Evelyn Mulwray: She's my daughter...
[slap]
Evelyn Mulwray: My sister, my daughter.
[More slaps]
Jake Gittes: I said I want the truth!
Evelyn Mulwray: She's my sister AND my daughter!
Or perhaps...
FBI: OK, University xxx, you have to testify since you are the victim.
University xxx: But, but, but...arenât We also the target?
FBI: Yes, you are but you have to testify anyway.
University xxx: Wouldnât we then be testifying against ourselves?
FBI: Yes, but you would also be testifying for you...
University xxx: Thanks but no thanks, we are good and we are not testifying.
The FBI has thousands of investigations going on all the time, some big and some small, they act on some the abandon others or move them to the state level. Now, the big announcement on the College basketball investigations came right around the time where all the news about misbehavior in the political investigations was coming out. They took an issue they should have passed on to the NCAA or to Civil Courts and made a big deal out of it...coincidence?
More importantly, you say they are going after colleges, the current bastion of liberalism? Read the indictment that @HighEliteMajor posted above, colleges are supposed to be the victims and not the targets.
Remember how, not that long ago, we all thought the FBI was above reproach only to find out how politized it had become and how badly they botched investigations that actually affect the country as a whole and not a piddly issue (in the big scheme of things) like college basketball. The FBIâs credibility is now at an all time low...unless you continue to wear your rose colored glasses.
I agree. I can readily see where a prospect and/or his family receiving money for future considerations breaks all kinds of NCAA rules, but does it really break any laws?
Corporations routinely pay athletes to use their likeness to promote their products, it is called endorsements. Yes, it makes the athlete ineligible for amateur competition but it is not against the law. Now, if a school feels it has been financial damaged by the athlete not disclosing his prior financial arrangements then the recourse is Civil and not Criminal a Court.
Difficult to play fast when KU normally "walks" the ball up court to spare wear and tear on Devonte and shorten the game.
Aren't weapons of any kind banned at the stadium and AFH? Is the shotgun considered a toy or fake prop? Even if it is not operational, it still can be pretty lethal if swung on someone; it is the equivalent of bringing a large crow bar...maybe there is an exception for mascots and props?
When i first saw the headline i though...what did the cheerleader do? Did she flash him as he was shooting the free throw?...and then I saw it was male cheerleader. when talking about them aren't they usually referred as "male" cheerleaders or yell leaders? "cheerleader" by itself would normally implies a female...ESPN click bait I am sure.
I have not doubt that lots of players are probably involved; it would be extremely naive to think otherwise. The question is, how are programs with players that took money unbeknown to the school going to be affected?
Let's take Preston, who I am fairly certain will be named. As I said at the time, if the car was obtained on the up and up, the issue would have been resolved in a couple of days. Now, KU never stopped trying to get him cleared and it is obvious it was being told there was no impermissible benefits at stake; in fact, it was Preston himself that stopped the process by bolting the program and heading to what I would call a shitty job in Eastern Europe and likely ione step ahead of the law. Now, if KU did no have any information about any illegal benefits while recruiting him, sat him as soon as there was a question and he never played a single offcial game, should it be penalized?
I see a potential blanket amnesty for programs that did not engage in cheating but were victimized by prospects, agents and business interests.
The stories on the issue indicate fraud against schools by misrepresenting eligibility and obtaining non-deserving scholarships which would logically imply that schools are de-facto plaintiffs and might be forced to testify even when in some cases it would implicate them, how about the 5th amendment and self-incrimination? If the schools are plaintiffs, should this not be a class action suit in Civil Court?
It is by no means inconceivable anymore that this is a gigantic smoke screen to hide all the political cases where the FBI has recently gotten itself in deep trouble and we don't even know the full extent of all aspect that were involved acting uniquely based on political considerations, with text book cases of conflict of interest and with complete disregard for the laws it is tasked to protect.
I really do not want to stray into politics but in this particular case it really cannot be casually dismissed. Strange times we live in. :disappointed:
I believe than in Sherronâs case it was not just poor habits but he had the type of genes and metabolism that made him gain weight very easily and the excess weight resulted in stress to the joints.
I donât think so. Had KU been into the whole deal it would have known very early on that Preston was compromised and would have stopped trying to get him eligible a lot sooner than it did; it was not KU that stopped the process, Preston did. If KU suspected people associated with the program were involved it would have conducted a more private investigation.
I really donât believe KU is involved. Had KU know about it it or was involved, it would have not waited for Preston as long as it did or spent as much money. My money would be on Kentucky and Duke which have had an inordinate number of top players. I am sure Cal and Coach rat face have made sure they are insulated and have plausible deniability. Roy Williams is a question mark and Izzo has not gotten enough top players to be part of it...but I could be wrong. :smile:
Spot on. Mason through sheer hard work and determination made himself into the best PG in recent memory at KU. Hard to argue with Consensus POY.