@DCHawker An exception. As has Reid Travis at UK.
What is happening more and more though is teams are able to build a high caliber team with transfers, or in a case like this season, add that final piece.
Nevada made a FF run around transfers. Houston has transfers this season. Nova won the Championship with one last season. Gonzaga went to the NC last season with a team based around transfers. It's has really changed the game as of late.
@DCHawker His leading scorer this year is a transfer.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I wonder if Kira Lewis would be interested? He may bolt after Avery got canned. KU was on him as a possible 2019 guy.
Would take in a heart beat.
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
dylans said:
IDK about transfers. They had better be a target like Malik and not a desperation grab like Charlie.
It's hit of miss. But look at all the transfers left in the Sweet 16 that are making big impacts
Brandon Clarke started his career at San Jose St and is a Top 2 player at Gonzaga and will be drafted in the 1st round in June.
Texas Tech's 3-6 leading scorers are transfers
Michigan's 3rd leading scorer Charles Matthews transferred from Kentucky.
Braxton Key plays a role on Virginia's team.
Paul White has been an intergral part of Oregon's tournament success so far coming from Georgetown.
Bigby-Williams for LSU
Houston has 2 transfers in their rotation.
Reid Travis at Kentucky
Cameron Johnson of UNC is their leading scorer
This.
You have to be involved in the transfer market now. There is too much talent to ignore. People are scared of by Charlie, but they really shouldn't be. Two years in a row we have had a transfer be one of our better players. And we had a very positive experience with Black.
Every year there are quality guys, it is just picking and landing the right ones.
I don't think it helps the way we recruit though. We are always recruiting guys deep into April when all of this shakes out, so some transfers are scared to come here.
Cunliffe didn't work out too well either for recency.
Some success stories are Withey, Black, Lawson, Newman. Self has usually targeted transfers from Power 5 or bigger named schools.
I hope we take one grad transfer at least as well as a sit-out transfer. Not sure we'll convince enough HS talent to come here at this point with the current situations going on. There's a real chance only 5 Letterman return as it is. Best case reality type scenario seems to be around 8 + the two signee's. I seem to repeat this every year but Self should sign as many 2019/20 eligible players as he can find. After that get 1 sit-out with experience to mold. One year was enough of having a young team. Self needs to get old no matter how
I can't believe I forgot Withey. So our last two FFs, we had a transfer play a huge role. Actually, that FF team with Withey also had Wesley and Young as well. 3 transfers that year.
This always sucks. You have to hope they at least tell the schools early. "We know where we are going but we are going to wait a month to tell everyone."
Drives me crazy every year.
BeddieKU23 said:
dylans said:
IDK about transfers. They had better be a target like Malik and not a desperation grab like Charlie.
It's hit of miss. But look at all the transfers left in the Sweet 16 that are making big impacts
Brandon Clarke started his career at San Jose St and is a Top 2 player at Gonzaga and will be drafted in the 1st round in June.
Texas Tech's 3-6 leading scorers are transfers
Michigan's 3rd leading scorer Charles Matthews transferred from Kentucky.
Braxton Key plays a role on Virginia's team.
Paul White has been an intergral part of Oregon's tournament success so far coming from Georgetown.
Bigby-Williams for LSU
Houston has 2 transfers in their rotation.
Reid Travis at Kentucky
Cameron Johnson of UNC is their leading scorer
This.
You have to be involved in the transfer market now. There is too much talent to ignore. People are scared of by Charlie, but they really shouldn't be. Two years in a row we have had a transfer be one of our better players. And we had a very positive experience with Black.
Every year there are quality guys, it is just picking and landing the right ones.
I don't think it helps the way we recruit though. We are always recruiting guys deep into April when all of this shakes out, so some transfers are scared to come here.
dylans said:
BeddieKU23 said:
oh boy. Avenatti has two twitter posts today.
One talking about DeAndre Ayton cash payments to his mother and others.
Another talking about Bol Bol receiving cash from Nike
Both guys were KU targets. So is Adidas cheap or clean? I’m betting on cheap.
Yea this could just as easily blow up in our faces. I'm more worried about that than happy this info came out at all.
I'm rooting for whoever wins me the Bucket Championship.
The more info I find, the more this guy just seems like an older Billy McFarland with a Law Degree.
I really think this is just a cash deficient "rich" guy who was looking for easy money. I doubt this goes anywhere. But, then again, this whole thing started with one guy doing something stupid.
Let's hope there's something real here and it's not just a desperate con man with a terrible plan.
jayballer73 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Looks like he could either be a great WR or a mediocre QB. My guess is he starts the latter and ends up the former once we get him here. Definitely a D1 caliber athlete though.
That's good to hear he IS D-1 caliber athlete. - pretty sad the kid is right here in my home city and I haven't been keeping up on his recruiting - - makes 2 Kansas kids for next year. - -Do you now by chance what other schools other then K-state may have been interested in him? -size? - - 100 yd time? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I know nothing more about him other than watching his film he was clearly above the competition all season. I coached HS football for 4 years and watched film on probably 25 different schools in that time and at least a thousand different players.
This guy sticks out as clearly D1 material. You can just tell when a Kansas High School kid is D1 because he is basically unstoppable. He is bigger, faster, stronger, quicker and just flat out more athletic than anyone else on the field trying to tackle him.
To me, he looks like a future receiver. He has the size for it and he would be a legitimate threat with the ball after the catch.
Don't feel bad about not hearing about him though, he isn't ranked at all on 247. Which is pretty rare even for some of the lesser recruits tbh. But it is nice to see that Miles and staff are at least looking at the talent in our backyard even if nobody else really is.
Looks like he could either be a great WR or a mediocre QB. My guess is he starts the latter and ends up the former once we get him here. Definitely a D1 caliber athlete though.
jayballer73 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Eric-san said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I don't see DL or QG leaving.
Lawson is 99.9% gone. He will have a degree and someone willing to pay him a significant amount of money to play overseas. I have no idea why he would stay.
KJ - gets his degree - -but are you sure on Dedric? - - KJ older
Yes. Two years at Memphis. Two years at KU.
If he doesn’t sneak into the 2nd round of the draft that is.
Eric-san said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I don't see DL or QG leaving.
Lawson is 99.9% gone. He will have a degree and someone willing to pay him a significant amount of money to play overseas. I have no idea why he would stay.
@BeddieKU23 I really think it hurts us with anyone but Precious. We may have to return everyone we possibly can out of necessity. I really am worried about a post-season ban.
Or an even more depressing one. Lordy I hope we hear the punishments soon and can move on.
Bosthawk said:
Where is dedrick going? d-league? Europe?
Probably the former for a couple of years before the latter.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
He might. We didn't think Ochai would this season. Braun can shoot 3's we can always use that.
Ochai is also built like a 5th year senior lol.
But your point is definitely legitimate.
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
The dynamic was definitely screwed up. Seems like Dotson taking over as leader next season will be a very natural and positive transition.
It's gonna be a huge plus.
Bringing in a GREAT kid in McBride too.
Braun probably needs to be slapped around a bit in practice.
If Braun sees the floor next year at all it will be a nice surprise imo.
The dynamic was definitely screwed up. Seems like Dotson taking over as leader next season will be a very natural and positive transition.
I really think we see big improvements by whoever ends up staying. McBride needs to be able to at least handle 10 minutes a game and not be a negative. We either need Grimes to stay and become a scorer or Stanley to come and fill that gap.
I’m not worried yet. This is what happens at most places when you replace 5 starters...
DanR said:
Stop slobbering over the transfer list, people. They are not desirable players.
I mean Gonzaga and UK and Nevada all benefitted from it. We just can’t be taking midgets and brothers.
There is definitely a time and a place. But we should be picky.
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I know people keep hearing Q is gone. But at this point he may be in the outside looking in to even get a combine invite.
I wish I believed that would stop him
You’d think logic will prevail. But I suppose not always.
I know people keep hearing Q is gone. But at this point he may be in the outside looking in to even get a combine invite.
Bwag said:
Should Dedric leave to go overseas a year early?
He should have his degree this year. So probably
approxinfinity said:
How long do you guys think we'll have to wait to hear that Charlie is gone?
His mom will tweet about a family emergency here in the next week.
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes trying to pad that YouTube draft highlight package
If he goes undrafted he can come back texhnically right?
I do expect us to shoot significantly better next season.
approxinfinity said:
Dedric is a good player on a midmajor team, like Memphis.
Or a great secondary scorer to your 7’0 giant
Garrett is a bad basketball player until he fixes his shot. Period. Unplayable in my mind. Has been all season long
BigBad said:
Kcmatt7 said:
approxinfinity said:
I don't understand why we didn't run this 5 for much longer in the first half. Seriously. If the subs are such a liability that Dedric has to be the focal point of the offense always, then I don't want subs. We've played 6 guys for majority minutes before.
It is definitely odd that Bill didn’t cut the rotation down this season.
Guys didn’t separate as much as normal
I guess... still strange. We’ve seen him cut it to 7 before. And the top 6 are Pretty identifiable.
approxinfinity said:
I don't understand why we didn't run this 5 for much longer in the first half. Seriously. If the subs are such a liability that Dedric has to be the focal point of the offense always, then I don't want subs. We've played 6 guys for majority minutes before.
It is definitely odd that Bill didn’t cut the rotation down this season.
No heart though :rolling_eyes:
HighEliteMajor said:
Kcmatt7 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
truehawk93 said:
Let's hope we can win an appeal with SDS and get him eligible for next year. Their ruling was too harsh. I think this season was enough. But they made sure KU didn't do one damn thing this year. What's worse, KU decided not to do one damn thing this year. GEEZ. This is surreal. This is a freakin' nightmare of a season.
Either that or SDS just leaves and we never utter the name again. Wish we never heard of him to be honest.
I’ll be glad we got him if we don’t vacate the FF he helped get us to
I’d trade it back right now. The whole SDS situation has been a nightmare
I don’t know landing him changes anything. Billy was just as much of an issue... talk about wishing we never got a kid.
HighEliteMajor said:
truehawk93 said:
Let's hope we can win an appeal with SDS and get him eligible for next year. Their ruling was too harsh. I think this season was enough. But they made sure KU didn't do one damn thing this year. What's worse, KU decided not to do one damn thing this year. GEEZ. This is surreal. This is a freakin' nightmare of a season.
Either that or SDS just leaves and we never utter the name again. Wish we never heard of him to be honest.
I’ll be glad we got him if we don’t vacate the FF he helped get us to
The last two times we were this young, we lost early in the tourney. And the fruits of being so young turned into a Championship and a FF. This sucks. But long term it will be ok.
nuleafjhawk said:
I particularly enjoy watching big mouth Barkley spouting off about Auburn. Aren't people in his position supposed to be somewhat neutral?
Despite the circumstance, I think it’s been entertaining. Better than guys trying to hide a bias that’s very obvious.
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 more of a complete lack of athleticism.
And shooting. And experience. And true size.
What did we expect from a team starting a guy who was redshirting until midseason?
If this core stays 4 years, they could be something special.
I don’t get the “this team has no heart” thing going on lol. That isn’t the problem folks.
Guess I’ll just plan on golfing after work on Friday now instead
This is the new classic Bill Self. Getting ran by a team who can shoot and space the floor because we still try to run an antiquated system.
I’d imagine a lot of schools will be after him. Not a lot of guys can volume shoot 3s at that clip
wissox said:
@Kcmatt7 It's hard to feel sorry for Baylor! I turned it on just as he was heading to the bench, so I didn't see it.
I just hate to see a horrible, horrible call change a game. Baylor had all momentum and Vital was dominating. He was literally taken out of the game by the refs.
Now, Drew should have pulled him out before he got it. But it doesn’t excuse a bad call.
We need everyone to show up tonight. Bill has been pushing buttons all season. Just have to hope he can put it all together tonight.
And worst call of the day goes against Baylor and Vital picking up his 4th on what was either a charge or no call.
You forget how good Doke was until you remember how bad he punked Ward
Travis could murder someone and the refs wouldn’t see it