Box score tells the story of a very boring game. Nats with no HRs and Phillies without an extra base hit. Looks like they threw in the towel too and gave a few other guys some ABs.
Kcmatt7
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approxinfinity said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 great point. But that raises a few questions.
To what extent do you think UVA or TT pays to play? To what extent were kids directed there by the shoecos? To what extent were the kids paid to play under Self at Orel Roberts or Tulsa? To what extent did the Shoecos direct kids there? How much less fun has recruiting gotten for Self over time?
TTU is one of the Under Armour key teams. Their recruiting has ticked up since the switch combined with Beard coming in. They’ve definitely seen an uptick in the talent coming through the door.
UVA is still an East Coast ACC team. If kids get paid to go to Nebraska, no doubt in my mind they get paid to go to Virginia.
It’s his choice, but it sure seems like an unbelievably stupid one.
@Woodrow It works on my Apple TV. Idk what platform you use, but I haven't had any issues yet.
@HighEliteMajor And sanctions
I definitely don't get the draw of Cali. The ocean is cold. The Beaches are crowded. The Traffic blows. The public transportation sucks. The houses are expensive. The taxes are high. The gas prices are astronomical. The food costs more.
If you want warm weather all of the time, Texas or Florida definitely seem like the better options.
Woodrow said:
Beverly visiting Georgia this weekend
Lol. Nothing to see in Athens
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Notable not declaration: Ashton Hagans.
Lack of a jump shot seems like something that may keep him another year in KY. Just wonder how him and Maxey will coexist though
It does seem like an unforeseen circumstance. I have to think one of him or Quickley is not on that roster in a year.0
@Woodrow He's clearly not a great fit. But if he can surround himself with a good staff that recruits well, that can change. It also helps that they're the UA darlings and UA has really stepped up their game. I'm sure he ends up being gifted some recruits.
As far as their search, I don't think it helps that the Pac 12 is in complete disarray right now. The only coach worth poaching from inside their own conference is Altman and he's 60 and not going anywhere. You might be right that the job has lost some of it's luster. But it is still a very, very good job. I just, personally, think they went after some strange coaching choices and might have been a few years too late. They are basically in a year that there is no up-and-comer looking to score the biggest job they can get. No Archie Miller. No Holtman. No Mack. No Dan Hurley.
The biggest shocker to me was that Musselman wasn't their even close to one of their top choices. But, they clearly wanted a guy with a record of sustained success. So I think they limited their own coaching selection a bit more than they should have.
@Woodrow All of this for Mick. Seems like they really, really didn't want Mick...
Seriously, this should be a wake up call to all. KU used to double salaries and it was a no brainer to come here. But now even second tier schools update their facilities, pay coaches competitive salaries, and structure contracts that are much harder to get out of. UCLA is one of the best jobs in the country and they got what looks like their 8th or 9th choice. Don't take any of our past success for granted.
I do just want to point out how damn good the Bucketeers did this year on the bracket. 4 brackets in the top 1% out of only 66 submitted. Hope one of you wins the Maui Trip!
BigBad said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
But the ball did go off of Morretti even if it was a foul.
Basketball has always been officiated this way, with possession awarded instead of a cheap foul call. Replay is horrible in basketball except for stepping on the line calls.
No arguments. I prefer it not exist either.
Woodrow said:
So people really think these games are rigged ?? My god.
Isn’t it obvious? The refs forced the ball off of his hand and also forced Hunter to drill a 3 and also forced UVA to throw the ball away on purpose to go to overtime.
If people want to say replay screwed Tech and want replay removed, sure. I get it.
But the ball did go off of Morretti even if it was a foul. Hunter did drill an ice cold 3. And Tech had their chance. It was a great game.
approxinfinity said:
I want to vomit a little bit how they won. Reality no longer matters. There is only desired outcome and engineering to get there.
Tech had every opportunity to win. One non foul call (or not call for that matter) does not a game make. Tech was down double digits twice.
It was UVA’s night. Hunter was unbelievable. They absolutely were the better team tonight.
We still down on Tony Bennett?
FarmerJayhawk said:
No new info. Just we’re interested in Tucker, Utomi, and the SDSU kid
KU and UNC are going to be battling for some guys here. Similar needs
Oh I didn’t mean that as a bad thing. Like I’m actually happy he’s leaving. He’s awful. So far the offseason has gone exactly as I had hoped/thought to start
Perfect.
Now, everyone pray Doke has a change of heart and comes back and Silvio wins his appeal.
@BShark Oh yea.
@BShark Blackshear. No word on him doing it. But he's a RS Junior so you'd think he could if he wasn't going to just go pro.
TCU:
Francisco Farabello: https://247sports.com/Player/Francisco-Farabello-46056731/ ↗
PJ Fuller: https://247sports.com/player/p-j-fuller-92259/ ↗
Diante Smith: https://247sports.com/player/diante-smith-46036729/ ↗
Would take any of these fellas.
That's funny... Leaving his alma mater. What a slap in the face.
Virginia Tech now on the board.
Anthony Harris: https://247sports.com/player/anthony-harris-45572938/ ↗
Emanuel Miller: https://247sports.com/player/emanuel-miller-46041939/ ↗
Would not be shocked to see Blackshear grad transfer.
FarmerJayhawk said:
KU getting involved with Tucker
Sounds like us an everyone else.
I want to see 7 competitive games. Win or lose, I just want to see us fighting for the game in the 4th quarter.
I want to not say "wtf" 20 times a game.
I want to see an offense that doesn't look like it's being ran by a High School Freshman football team.
I want to see us focus on basics and not do cutesy things on Special Teams when we can't even run the most simple plays.
I want to see us play at a pace that doesn't set us up for failure. Limit possessions, don't try to play 100 mph.
I want to see an offensive line that is physically able to block at a P5 level.
I want to see clear and transparent leadership from the Head Coach position instead of a week to week QB controversy.
I just want us to resemble a football program again.
I'm pretty torn on Wooden's legacy. I think he was a good coach. I don't know that he would have had the same legacy if he was coaching in the modern era with 64 team tournaments.
I also think he also allowed blatant cheating and his legacy was saved by the NCAA when they killed an investigation into the program in 1977 that likely could have erased a lot of, if not all of the championships.
I just can't put a man as my top coach in history when he has so many questions marks. His first 15 years were nothing more than him being a good but not great coach. But then, seemingly out of nowhere, he became an amazing recruiter and THAT much better than everyone else at coaching for a dozen seasons? A lot of coincidences for me to buy that he did what he did without a distinct advantage. I mean, if he was just the greatest coach of all-time, why did it take him 15 years before he even found real success at UCLA? It all adds up to cheating more than it adds up to dominance, at least in my skeptical mind.
Great post.
I firmly believe we will recover from this all rather quickly, and the FBI scandal will blow over as long as the NCAA doesn't drag it out.
What sounds like a reinvigorated Bill Self may be one of the most dangerous men in CBB. I expect him and the entire staff back.
The roster turnover is great, imo. Only because I feel that our core is going to be very good next season. The 5 guys we know are returning are solid, both in character and work ethic. I expect big things from Dave, Dotson and Ochai. (Though, I do really believe Grimes returns and if he does, a big year)
I feel pretty confident we add at least two more freshman to the class. I expect two transfers. Probably one grad and one sit. And then it is likely we end up with an open scholarship.
As long as Bill Self is here, we will be one of the best teams in the nation. If he can take an 8 man rotation that included Teahan, Wesley and Young to the National Championship game, he can win games with just about anyone. The only worry I have at this point is not knowing what approach the NCAA plans on taking. After the Mizzou and De Sousa punishments, I expect something harsh. Likely, I think we get the works. A loss of scholarship for a year or two, FF stripped, Postseason ban for a year, and recruiting restrictions placed on us for a period of time (loss of visits). With a probation period of something probably close to 5 years. I expect it to be harsh.
However, I don't think it will be anything but a bump in the road. This is not the way Bill will leave KU. He'll be full of piss and vinegar. He will flip the bird to anyone who he thinks has wronged him during this past year. I do think this was the end of an Era. The streak was something special and really was it's own era that has now ended. But I think this is just the start of a new era. The Bill Self Revenge Tour: Coming to a city near you. And I really think it's going to be one hell of a show.
Tony Bennett to the FF. Honestly hard to believe some wouldn’t want him as the coach.
It’s possible we only return 5 guys from this years group... Depends on KJ and Grimes. Pretty much a guarantee we will be adding someone who gets significant minutes in the next couple of months
HighEliteMajor said:
... and if we were in any other region, we likely win our 2nd game.
Funny, I didn't even look at the way the bracket played out. I was happy we ended up in KC, but I suppose it came at it's own cost.
@BShark I don't know that Allen is a "shooter" though. His numbers are eerily similar to a one Charlie Moore during his freshman year. I'm just not sold that Allen is going to be able to step in here and make us better. It isn't like he didn't have a good supporting cast at Nebraska. Roby and Palmer were both very good players, so this was not a case of a guy trying to do it all. It was a case of a guy just not being that good, imo.
FarmerJayhawk said:
I hope they give him a shot at QB just to see what he's got with some coaching. Knowing Topeka, they probably don't have near the quality of coaching that most other big programs in the state, let alone comparing it to the rest of the country. But he's certainly athletic enough to play WR at this level.
Also a bummer we lost Nate Matlack to that lesser school west of us. Family stuff too much to overcome.
His throwing motion looks pretty decent actually. I just don't know that he has the velocity. At least not from what I saw.
I'd certainly give him a chance at QB his first year here just to see if he can develop. But I wouldn't waste too much time on it if the arm strength just isn't there.
The more I think about it though, the more I'd stay away from Allen. We already have McBride coming in. No real need for Allen. He doesn't offer anything we won't already have.
Thomas Allen would be ok
Woodrow said:
Woodrow said:
Duke, Memphis, and TCU have already reached out to Lewis. I found it out that KU has not been listed as checking in on some of these transfers. I wonder if there is not as many guys leaving as some think...
I have now seen 17 schools mentioned with Lewis and not KU.
Maybe we are just doing it behind the scenes. You have to at least think so. He is an absolute stud and you'd be stupid to not reach out at the very least.
@Woodrow Certainly could be the case.... Which would be very unfortunate. Maybe Bill even scared himself off of the transfer market knowing he could be stuck with Charlie for another two years lol.
@dylans Yes. Colleges, by their very nature, are supposed to offer opportunities. Not limit them. Just because a player leaves without a degree doesn't mean they didn't get the opportunity they needed by going to college. It just so happens that after one year, some players end up having taken advantage of the opportunity offered to them.
Less than half of the people who attend college end up graduating. Yet we don't attempt to limit that number and just accept who we think will graduate instead of those who are qualified and apply. Regardless of their intentions of being there for a period of time. We don't force all students to sign a 4 year covenant that binds them to the University. They're free to leave if, let's say, someone offered them millions of dollars to do so.
So, why should we try to limit the opportunity of an athlete who qualified to go to the school academically?
FarmerJayhawk said:
John Petty transferring from Bama. Took a step back this year but really talented kid.
I was hoping this was coming. Would take.
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 lol, I stuck around at my job so long my boss retired and I took over the business. I’d be ok with it if they allowed highschoolers to go pro and/or didn’t allow college freshmen to play (not so fond of the second one, but it would show a definite commitment and would force the kid to be in the system for 2 years to figure out if he’s any good before he bales due to being work brittle). I’d also be ok with requiring a 2 year scholarship commitment from the university for every recruit. i.e. OADs cost 2 scholarship years.
Well congratulations! Loyalty most certainly is a good trait and pays off for many. I'd love to start/own a business someday.
Now to the rest of your point:
I fully 100% agree players should be allowed to go pro and it's kind of dumb that the NBA ever put that rule in, in the first place.
I fully 100% disagree on the rest of your ideas. I don't believe that we should be limiting the opportunities of athletes just because we as fans enjoy watching sports more if players are here for 4 years. Limiting the opportunities of students is absolutely against the spirit of any Higher Learning Institution. A scholarship restriction does this, as does forcing a player to sit.
nuleafjhawk said:
@Kcmatt7"This is no different than leaving a job for another that you may be more interested in"
Yes, in my 43 years of employment I have changed jobs. I won't count my High School jobs or my first ....I guess i'd better make some kind of money to pay rent job - after those I spent close to 9 years at one job, we moved to another state and I spent close to 9 years at the next job (was laid off) and have been in my current job for 22 years.
So, I guess my opinion is that I'm not a big job hopper.
What sets that apart from the college basketball playing that we're talking about is this:
When I started looking for a "real" job, not every single major, high paying company in the free world was sending me letters, knocking on my door, offering to buy cars, houses, hookers, whatever it is that's on the table these days in order for me to come work for them.
I was the one who had to put in the legwork. I had to make sure my resume was good. I had to look and act decent at interviews. People were not begging me to work for them and pay me whatever i wanted. Even through those circumstances I felt a certain amount of loyalty to my employer for the time that they did invest in me.
I feel that when colleges invest thousands of dollars, plus the time involved to recruit players, the players should feel some sense of loyalty, some sense of obligation to stay there. Of course, there are always circumstances that dictate that a player must go, but it should be, in my opinion an extreme rarity.
I know my values are outdated, old fashioned and not realistic with todays society, but that's how I feel.
I don't think people should be big hoppers. I also just don't think people should judge others harshly for altering their position for what is best for them and makes them happy.
There is nothing wrong with loyalty. It is a very good trait that can take you far. But it can also be a fault. Expecting every 17-18 year old to be happy with a decision they (or their parents) made as they mature into a young adult is foolish, imo.
This is their pay the rent job. It's also their summer internship. It also has the potential to be a multi-million dollar decision for them. So, in my opinion, it is ok for players to spend these 4 years of their lives in a somewhat selfish manner considering it could change their entire lives.
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Kira Lewis please and thank you.
He'll have plenty of suitors. KU and Tennessee recruited him to the end last spring. Maybe we get lucky 2nd time around like with Malik. Kira is a jet with the ball similar to Dotson with a little more size and length. Was impressed by him this year
I watched a couple of Bama games this year. He stands out. I'm actually sort of shocked he wasn't on draft boards, but I think that's only because he's not eligible. Still 17 until next Saturday.
Same, saw some games and I was surprised how good he was. Beat out veterans, led the team in scoring. I know he was young but I didn't realize he was Svi young.
I have a feeling wherever he lands he'll appeal to be immediately eligible. I would if I were him after what has happened in College Football.
That would be absolutely amazing.... I mean, if Tate Martell and Justin Fields can get immediate eligibility, I'd think anyone can at this point.
BeddieKU23 said:
Just saw the interview Achiuwa did with Rivals. Watch Georgia get in his recruitment. Money bags going around for both Football/Basketball
Whaaaat? Nothing going on there. Crean, the guy who couldn't win at Indi-freaking-ana was always a superstar recruiter. He was just keeping his talents hidden.
nuleafjhawk said:
@jayballer73 Because nobody can commit to anything anymore. No loyalty. Everybody wants to be the star of the team and not a team player.
Sure, that's part of it.
The other part is that coaches constantly leave jobs. The odds of you playing all four years for the coach you committed to is very unlikely.
Another part of it is coaches incorrectly assessing the talent of players. Bill Self has basically kicked several players out of the program. He isn't the only one.
Another part is that coaches are liars. Recruits are told they'll be given the world. Anything to get them on campus. Then, they realize that everyone was told that. It wasn't the truth. And now they have to make a decision.
The last part, of course everyone wants to play. You get 4-5 years to play and then for the majority of guys, it's over. Why would you not want to spend your time playing? If it looks like you are never going to get the opportunity you were looking for at this school, why wouldn't you go somewhere else that you would be more valued? You're going to spend 40+ hours a week doing this. You should try to be somewhere you feel happy and welcomed.
I want to ask two questions. Have you ever changed jobs before? Why weren't you completely loyal to the first place you ever started working? Better opportunity elsewhere? You hated your boss? Job description turned out to be different than was explained to you? You like to be an integral part of a smaller organization than just a cog at a big one? Wanted to move back closer to family?
This is no different than leaving a job for another that you may be more interested in. The only thing people owe loyalty to is themselves and their family. They don't owe a coach who may leave at any second loyalty. They don't owe the school who won't even remember them any loyalty. Their only responsibility is to do what is best for themselves. Call that selfish all you want, but you only get one life and it's your responsibility to try to make the most out of it.
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Kira Lewis please and thank you.
He'll have plenty of suitors. KU and Tennessee recruited him to the end last spring. Maybe we get lucky 2nd time around like with Malik. Kira is a jet with the ball similar to Dotson with a little more size and length. Was impressed by him this year
I watched a couple of Bama games this year. He stands out. I'm actually sort of shocked he wasn't on draft boards, but I think that's only because he's not eligible. Still 17 until next Saturday.
Kira Lewis please and thank you.
BShark said:
Apparently KU is interested in https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matt-ryan-1.html ↗
Gross
@dylans What more could Dedric have done than average a very efficient double-double and lead the team in scoring? Dedric was absolutely fantastic this season, imo.
Isaiah Joe from Arkansas would be worth a look of he transferred out. 6-5 twig. Shot 8 threes a game at a .414 clip. Would have led KU in steals (although I'm sure a good chunk of that comes from the Mike Anderson system). Would have 3 years of eligibility left.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isaiah-joe-1.html ↗
We need to consider ourselves lucky. When UCLA can't get their guy, but Nebraska can, you just have to appreciate your success in the moment.
People who think we will have our pick of the litter once Bill leaves will be sorely mistaken I think. I legitimately believe Beard to UT is done as soon as they can possibly afford it. I think Tony Bennett wouldn't even be a shoe in, and half of our fans don't want him. Will Wade would have been a good pick until recent events.
Anyways, good for Nebraska.