@kuballin10 So you say he’s playing the wrong guys. He says maybe he’s been playing the wrong guys. And now him saying that is a problem?
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Just sit Och for the rest of the season. This team looked good?
@kuballin10 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Harris
Braun
Och
Wilson
DaveJoe
Jcl
KjSet it and forget it Bill
Will be interesting to see how yes would do without Harris on the floor.
@kuballin10 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Harris
Braun
Och
Wilson
DaveJoe
Jcl
KjSet it and forget it Bill
I’m here for this.
Imagine Och inbounded to Braun against a press…
Braun is not great at handling pressure.
@DanR said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
@RockChalkinTexas @Crimsonorblue22
one of you is probably wrong
I imagine they were in both a plane and a motor vehicle at some point in the journey.
@kuballin10 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Put Joe on Brockington Bill
Face guard him it ain’t difficult to figure out hall of fame
His getting most of his looks coming around screens so that probably wouldn’t help.
@DanR said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Other than the three times Dave threw a pass to the crowd, and that time he dribbled it off his foot, he's been great!
Yeah other than that…
@DCHawker said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Juan and Dave actually 13-14 from the field...
Just like we all assumed when we heard Och was out.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
I think Harris is hurt
Really thought i saw a limp earlier.
Look at that elite defensive positioning by Harris.
@kuballin10 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
@benshawks08 give him the leash and confidence of Harris all year and he’d be solid
A pg someone who can handle the ball, play d and penetrate the lane
he can do all these things
He can score when you need it
Harris was the best player on the floor the first half.
@Kcmatt7 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
@benshawks08 enough that Bill was about to let Bobby play 10-15 mpg… Even with Remy imo
We all loved Bobby…
@BeddieKU23 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Why did it take so long. Why. The film didn't LIE
Not a lot of room at the 2 spot…
@kuballin10 I’d take him as the back up for when Och or Braun need a breather.
@kuballin10 yes isnt a point guard yet.
I’d love yes and Harris too, if it didn’t mean sitting Och or Braun…
@kuballin10 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
I’m shocked just shocked with Yes in the game we are better defensively and offensively
So I guess not seeing practice but focusing on games and the eye test maybe is important and Self is infallible?
He plays the wrong guys for decades
Joe and Harris all big 12 Defensive team if Self had a clue
Wait. You’ve been arguing playing yes and Harris together? When?
Yes deciding we should just win.
Best at the push ahead.
Harris limping?
They really had to decide whether that obvious foul was a foul.
Harris trying to will KU to victory.
@DanR said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Jalen looks like he's never played basketball before
What was that?
Harris is smart.
Quick whistle on that travel and out of bounds call.
@Kcmatt7 said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
I can’t remember a player who hit that long 2 better in my life
He’s making them all and apparently has all year.
@DCHawker said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
Dave is the least instinctual basketball player in the history of the sport - maybe a wee overstatement....
Perhaps least instinctual McDonald’s all American?
Uh….
This team just needs to shoot any open look before they throw it away.
@BShark said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
@benshawks08 Would personally bet a lot of money on this opinion being accurate.
Not a great way to earn trust or toughness points with Self. Though can’t really blame Remy. If you are hurt, you’re hurt. Not sure bill has the greatest track record with keeping guys healthy throughout a season either.
@BShark said in Boo Part 2 Game Thread:
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Seems like they may not be on the same page about what is a playable injury. Just my opinion. Obviously I have no idea what those conversations look or sound like.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Iowa St game:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Iowa St game:
Looking like Self will have to let Yesu loose if Och/Remy are both out. Somebody’s gotta score.
Coleman-Lands more likely since he plays the 3 spot.
MOST likely would be a combination of players. If Remy is also out it will be all hands on deck. Plenty of minutes to go around.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Self provides injury updates:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Self provides injury updates:
Is it like a hernia thing with Bobby? that may require surgery.
Probably still related to the abdominal strain he dealt with a while back. That's an injury that can take a long time to get back to 100%
Problem with those is you think you are better until you find out you aren't and then start the process all over again.
@Jethro said in Self provides injury updates:
@BeddieKU23 Dave played the USC game on a broken foot, and had surgery last off season. Remy isn't close to being 100%.
Dave is sometimes able to jump (19/15) and sometimes struggles to run. Definitely sounds like an injury. Remy looks like he is galloping half the time. I thought maybe that was just his style of movement but could point to the knee not being 100%.
@Kcmatt7 said in Rewatching the UK game:
Alright it's over.
Here is my unprofessional analysis.
It wasn't as bad as the score showed. Here are the few things I noticed that if we played again tomorrow I think you see. I'll save the Harris/Remy stuff for the end.
Ochai specifically made a ton of terrible reads on drives, while simultaneously missing the layups he has made all season. He EASILY cost us 10 points tonight. Idk where his head was at, but it wasn't here. He just wasn't the guy we've seen all night. He's allowed an off-night, but just not games like this.
Braun really played meh. He took a few AWFUL shots (3 I can think of). He really didn't do a lot for us other than rebound like a man. He has really chickened out in the lane since conference play (not unexpected). We need to see the aggressive shot finishing CB we saw early in the year. He also bricked 2 wide open 3s that we need to have him make at least 1 of. Overall, I'd say this is what we will get from CB in the tourney. So he cost us 0 points. But didn't earn us any.
Wilson played as well as I would expect. Cost us 0 points. Didn't gain us points.
Dave easily cost us 8-10 points. He misshandled several passes. He was in bad positions several times. He couldn't keep up with Oscar.
Mitch cost us 6 points. Missed layups.
KJ - +6 points. Better defensively than Mitch or Dave. Could run the floor with Oscar. Finished a layup that Mitch and Dave would have missed. EASILY the best big and our best chance to win.
JCL - 0 points.
Bobby - 0 points.
Harris/Remy - So, I think Harris cost us about 5 points tonight not scoring the ball where I think Remy would have. I think Remy cost us about 8 on D where Harris wouldn't have. Overall, I think the sagging off of Harris was probably overblown, and part of our imagination. UK actually helped off of ANYONE at the top of the key to stop the drive. It wasn't just Harris like was assumed. However, Harris still cost us points just from missing open shots that a D1 basketball player is expected to make. It's an issue. But the thought or narrative that he was just left unguarded I can say is absolutely false. I was part of that narrative, so I can confidently say I am not trying to fit a narrative here. Remy, well he sucks defensively, and he does noticeably interrupt the offense by not being in the exact right spot (at least twice in this game). However, he did more with his opportunities to touch the ball than Harris does. The D does respect him more. Ultimately, today I did see why Self favors Harris over Remy when basically isolating those two on tape.
Overall, I think Self went zone too quick. Especially that T2 which gave up a shit ton of points. I think that Ochai being so off obviously changes that game. He had looks, just didn't make them. Offensively, we actually just killed ourselves from not being aggressive enough. We just needed to go in strong on layups and I think UK would have had to adjust defensively. I can confidently say that Harris was not the reason the offense struggled. I still can't figure out what I feel with Remy. Offensively it is clear he brings something to the table. Defensively he's a liability and I don't see that changing. I think maybe Self has the guard rotation right? I'd like to maybe see what Joe could do with extended minutes, but at this point that isn't happening.
The real conclusion, which I think most people see, is that KJ needs to be playing as many minutes as he can. Dave sucks. Mitch sucks. KJ does not suck. KJ isn't good, but he isn't a negative when he is on the court. I really don't think this game scares me as much as I thought. And I actually think this blowout would be the outlier if these teams played 10 times. I'm glad I rewatched this, because I would have been stewing for another two days.
This was helpful. I didn't get to watch all of the game because I had other stuff going on and couldn't bring myself to go back and watch the replay knowing the result. Your Harris/Remy observations match pretty much what I've noticed all year. Harris makes the easy plays that get others opportunities. His hesitation to attack to score is an issue but not as big of an issue as Remy's tendency to either be in the wrong place or completely take the flow out of the offense pounding the ball into the floor. He needs lots of dribbles before he makes a play.
I'd be interested in KJ getting more time as well but still feel this team is at its best when Dave plays his best. We've seen it and if we can get any kind of consistency, that's how this team makes it to an elite 8/final 4 type situation.
That is unless Och can be the 27 plus point scorer from here on out. Again, I didn't see all of this game but if it is as you say and Och missed out on opportunities and cost us points, well that's what we will have to live with. He's the leader now. No doubt. We go as far as he and/or Dave will take us.
@Kcmatt7 said in Talent Wins Games:
Yea just think how easily they could be 15-5 or 14-6. KSU, TTU and ISU all could have gone another way.
And Dayton and the first tech game also could have gone either way and we'd be a one loss team...
CB may have had an off night shooting (and boy were some of those OFF!!!), and he was certainly sped up when pressured out high with the ball leading to a few turnovers. But I think one play that has been overshadowed is the lob he threw to Och. Not sure we have another player on this team who would have had the confidence to put that ball up there for him. Och was fairly well guarded and just jumped over his man. If I remember correctly, that was at one of the many big moments in that game and had the red raiders worried about the back door for the rest of the game possibly freeing up just enough space to get off some of those outside shots late.
@Kcmatt7 said in NBA draft 2022:
@BeddieKU23 said in NBA draft 2022:
Latest mocks out there. Och #12, Christian #29 per ESPN.
Another has Och #11 and CB #39
NBC has Braun going #25 and Och #26 (almost funny if it didn't mean CB was still looked at as a top 60 guy).
SB Nation has Braun #25 and Och #30 (again weird if you've watched Ochai this season).
Bleacher Report has CB at #19 and Ochai #27
Hoops hype has Ochai #18 and CB #53
The Athletic has Ochai #14 and no CB
CB ahead of Och? Is that maybe considering him for NEXT year's draft?
@drgnslayr Grit and "chips" can only be built through adversity. Grief is a powerful emotion that impacts everyone around you. I imagine we ALL know a little bit about that in recent years as I know few who haven't been hit with something in the last two years. To me it's not so much using a man's death, but acknowledging it has happened and taking what you can from it. After I lost someone I certainly spent a lot of time contemplating lessons learned from her, how she impacted my life, how she'd want me to live, etc. I've already heard Self doing the same and if his team buys into that, it has the potential to bring them closer together, make them want to fight harder for each other, and develop them into a better, more cohesive team.
Death is an unavoidable fact of life and if you don't use it and the grief that comes along with it to help you decide how to live whatever you've got left, what was it all for?
@Kcmatt7 Others have said as much but unless Remy was hurt, he should have gotten more minutes down the stretch.
Though a question I will throw out there is, would Remy have gotten the ball to Och at the end of that first overtime?
It's clear Self doesn't trust Remy to be in the right place and make the right play. And so much of Self's late game success comes from EXECUTION. So it is hard to fault him there. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Remy close out the first half and totally botched the play to the point we didn't get a shot? Something to think about. I'd honestly not fault self for pulling Remy in the last 2 minutes but the last 5 seemed a bit much. I definitely wonder if that game gets as close as it does if Remy had been in from minute 5 to minute 2. I get trusting Harris to make the right play, the unselfish play, even the TOUGH play because he's proven he can do that, but watching Remy play last night and not giving him a run late in the half when the offense was sputtering is a mistake in my eyes.
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Ok. This is funny.
Like how do you not call that?
@RockChalkinTexas said in Payback Tech Game Thread:
At least we are ahead. Haven't said that many times
Only at the end of all the games but 2!
Dave and Och both fouled on that last play…