@brooksmd exactly
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BG!
That was nice Mari
@Crimsonorblue22 yes. Mostly ball. But body galore on that that's a foul on most bigs
LL did have a good game. And was clearly hacked by the 76er. Uncalled
@nwhawkfan and I'm sorry. Especially Ellis. Who is a fine player. No question. But not known for rebounding or playing what I'd call "above the rim". It's nice to see that out of him
Diallo 6 and 2 in limited minutes. 4/4 from the line. But 3 fouls
So unless my vision is failing me... Ellis led the game in rebounds. And scoring. But rebounds....
@Crimsonorblue22 its not about fair to me. It's about who is going to take us further in the end. Whoever that is or how long they've been here... Which is coach's decision. Not mine :)
@globaljaybird had to be fairly efficient for only 2.4 min. Lol
@Crimsonorblue22 ya I don't have all the answers. I just know we're out of early season games to get players experience now. All I'm saying is next years top recruits see that this year's top recruits that came here aren't getting what you might call meaningful minutes. Not to mention that the kids aren't gonna be ready to play when it really does matter. But what do I know. Perhaps they haven't earned it
I know nobody wants to hear it but ya have to wonder what that does for recruiting...
@HawkInMizery I hear ya. It's the ole catch 22 ya know? Like trying to get your first job. "I see you have no experience" "yes sir so far no one will hire me cause I have no experience" but we still want to win every game
Not much action for our frosh bigs tonight huh
Very enjoyable game to be at. Had a fun night. Important stat-Diallo and Bragg combine for 7 offensive rebounds. Bragg has 3 in his first two possessions after entering the game. Also Greene was a beast. It was raining 3's in the first half in AFH. Keep digging. Keep growing Jayhalks. We're not dangerous just yet. But give us 32 more games to work on it
Headed to Lawrence. You all enjoy the game. Cause I'm gonna. :)
Didn't get to see the game. I was on the road. Listening to the radio of course. Didn't sound good to me. But without eyes on it. I have very lil to say... I don't think the film on that game is gonna scare the UK wildcats about coming to the phog at all
@drgnslayr ha-ha. Nice!
@HighEliteMajor Great stuff. You really put alot of effort into that.
I think we're missing the obvious here though.... Coach Self merely said that about Jamari as a dig to those of us who feel his minutes need to decline substantially. Ya know. Just letting us know he's there. :)
Please nobody label me a hater. Im very fond of Jamari Traylor. I just don't think he's our best option if we really wanna see this team reach its maximum potential
@KUSTEVE hopefully a minimum of 1. The rest is just gravy
UCLA tryin to do somethin here
This is terrific discussion. We have Chieck though. Now let's go out and make the most of him. And get the most out of this team. It's time to see that
I'm excited to see what Diallo can become here. A rim protector that can run the floor would certainly upgrade this team. And the points would only be a bonus. We've shown we "can" score
Perhaps I've conveyed that sentiment. Without necessarily meaning to. I just think it's unrealistic based on what we know to assume the kid is coming in immediately and averaging a double double with 3 steals and 5 blocks etc... I'd love to eat a big ole helping of crow on that. And I am elated that we have Chieck and I'll be even more elated when he is at the point that he can produce those numbers
@JRyman Ya know. I'm fully aware that I come off as a "negative Nellie" or whatever alot of the time... I mostly just consider myself realistic rather than negative. But am I wrong to wonder why some ppl think Diallo is the second coming of Joel Embiid??? I mean even the inches alone would suggest this is not probable wouldn't it?? I see him being an impact player here eventually if he is here that long.. Other than that right now I would need to see much more of him to believe anything beyond that. Am I just wrong on this?
@HighEliteMajor I guess I feel like that's an echo of my thoughts. I mean we have ppl getting all googly eyes here about Diallo's clearance. And I'm not saying I'm not excited about it. I am. But do we really think, based on past experience and what we know of coach self. That this is an immediate impact situation?? I never really have thought that simply because that's not how freshman seem to workout for us. Especially so called "bigs". When the man himself is telling you basically that the kid may make an impact virtually by seasons end... That's enough to convince me. But as I said. I'll be happy to be wrong.
And please nobody take me wrong here... I'm not a Self hater. There's nobody else I want here right now. But I do think we're better by March if Diallo is allowed to play major minutes and thru some growing pains right now. Rather than later
When I hear Self say that Diallo won't make an immediate impact. But perhaps by conference play or say February.... That tells me that he won't be seeing huge minutes immediately. But I'll be happy to be wrong about that. It's about time we had a so called freshman phenom that was actually worth all the hype. Could also just be Self downplaying what he really has in Diallo also. We all know he does that from time to time. I hope that's the case
@wissoxfan83 this i fear is a tissue of falsities
It's playground rules coach!! We're behind ya on the "free Diallo" deal. Now you're gonna get behind us on "freeing the three"... Yes?? :)
Self has always been "take what they give ya". I assume he tries to pound it in first. Cause he prefers when they give us that. But maybe he is seeing we have the outside game against long interior teams??
Did Alford zone us at all first half guys? And gals?
Radio station crapped out. Force to watch the live update on espn website. Yuck. Beats nothing I guess. Looked like a great half offensively. Defensively also. Except last 4 minutes. Trading buckets
I like Jamtray also. There are better bball played out there. But he does give it all. And a great kid. Met he and his mom at Omaha last March. Nice talk
I assumed it was
NM. Found it
Radio station broadcasting the game in the kc area?
Anyone is allowed to critique coach self or anyone else if they choose. Whether they are right or wrong. It's mostly opinion anyways. Doesnt mean you have to buy it. My opinion. Izzo outcoached Self tonight. At in game adjustments minimum. And it was made apparent that Self had no counter when he crawled into his fetal position and began sucking his thumb.... Text book self. When ya have no answer the answer must be to stick with only experienced guys and bring out the pound it inside and draw fouls game. Unfortunately it just happens far too often to not recognize it
@Bwag I'm not arguing this point. At all
Every loss is frustrating. But I had marked this game rather than the first as a judge of improvement. Don't see any so far. Nobody cares what ya can against the northern Colorados of the world. Blowing double digit leads.... Irritates me to no GD end
@tundrahok they had several right at key moments in the last 8 min and ended up getting a lot second chance pts. You could see the mo swing. I told my wife we were done with 7 to go
@JayHawkFanToo the number you need to be looking at is offensive rebounds for MSU. That's as big a part of this loss as anything... And believe it or not. It's a heart stat. Same story I tell my rec league boys. One team flat out wanted the ball more than the other.
@Bwag the wug means very lil to me. It obviously wasn't much of an advantage anyways. Ppl will remember NC's. That's about it honestly. I agree that Traylor is a terrible rebounder. Ellis not much better. For all he does do.... When for the love of God is he gonna get above the rim. Probly never by now.... Have to start recruiting better or actually developing the players we do recruit. Cause this team looks no different than the team that lost to Wichita st
@Bwag I would argue the opponent skews those numbers. However. I may give you Bragg. That has yet to be seen though in my opinion. But if we're gonna hang our season on guys like Lucas and Michelson. I have lil faith in that
@Bwag sorry I disagree
No rebounding. Msu boys just flat out want it more. Tired of that same ole story..... And we have absolutely got to start getting Big Men who are actually big and actually men
So.... Uptown Chukwu up??? How'd that b . Haha
It could get pretty bad. If Ellis goes. And we don't sign anyone else(which I think will be the case) we will have trouble keeping the tournament streak going and most definitely kiss the lil12 streak goodbye... With the schollie openings at UK and Duke. I don't see us getting anyone else . Hate to say that. But the facts are certainly there. We don't do as well with the OAD thing as those programs. We know it. And certainly potential recruits must also
@VailHawk terrific!!
IDGAF what anyone says. Coach Knight is the real deal. And always will be in my book. Love that guy!
@DCHawker dammit. That's a good point that I resent the hell out of. Sad face...