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@BeddieKU23

"Whether we get any is another question but he's clearly recruiting like we have an immediate Starting position open."

I'd say so.

Maybe you've seen some of Ingram's game. Can he be effective in just a few months from now at the 3 in the B12? That is the question. He isn't going anywhere to sit.

Another question... what is his goal for D1? He does look like he could grow more... but does he think he will put on strength and muscle and become a banger? Not many guys make that transformation. I don't know the kid at all, what he wants... but it makes sense that he thinks he can become a very tall SG at the next level. Might he be demanding SG minutes from his future D1 team?

To be honest... he looks like a very heavy Duke lean. He can get away with playing soft at the SF if he plays at Duke where they will having him outside bombing 3s.

Here is what he said last year about Duke:

"I love their style of play. At my position, you have to know how to shoot it and that's what I do well. I love their transition play and they just get after it offensively and defensively. They also have great history."

Bill Self isn't going to bring in a SF to just bomb 3s. If he comes to Kansas, he'll have to go banging in the B12 if he wants minutes as a SF. Unless he gets minutes at Kansas as a SG, I see absolutely no chance of us landing Ingram.

@KUSTEVE

You know.. anything can happen. Zim's comments about basically taking it easy in college to protect his move to the league can come back to haunt him. Look what it did to us when we heard him say that and he isn't even a Jayhawk.

It may haunt him, or it may fuel him. He may have just built his own chip for playing in D1. He might come out this fall and fans expect more and start dissing him. I can easily see that happening to him.... I can almost guarantee it would have happened had he come to Lawrence after some of his comments.

So he'll either drown in those comments or verbally "backstroke" out of what he said, or he may just end up being a freestyle sprinter and pass the field!

I know we want to bag on the guy now that he turned us down... but I'm not losing any sleep over this guy. We'll just see what he does.

@jaybate-1.0

The height issue is crazy. All of this energy around D1 basketball and there is no applied standard to measuring height. Remember 6'9" Cole Aldrich? I bet he would love to have those extra inches now...

Yes... we need someone who can bang in the post. Otherwise... we give up too much scoring in bad match ups. I'm not saying we need a footer. But a big body footer can come in handy if he can play a bit aggressive and not foul out. I would kill for a 6'5" Sir Charles Barkley guy who is ready to be the next rebounding champion in the NBA. A Barkley type right now in college basketball would eat holes in opposition faster than acid on rice paper.

The problem is coaching... developing... executing... getting these kids to execute!

I'd like to spend the summer with Landen Lucas. I'd take him to a couple of boxing gyms. One in the US and one in Europe. He'd get his butt kicked until he learned to fight. He'd come out of there with so much swagger and spunk... He'd finally put all those fundamentals he knows to good use next year. We wouldn't need or want anyone else. The timid child would be gone from his system. He'd be a man playing in a game with mostly boys. Too bad that kind of scenario didn't happen to him when he was a young kid. He could have had all his developmental years being ahead of the game instead of fighting to keep up. The skills are there... he just needs an edge.

@JayHawkFanToo

I agree... don't you think this has happened because more big men try to develop a better balanced game (like handles and perimeter shooting) instead of just focusing on back to the basket skills?

What big man coming up has heavily invested in back to the basket moves?

The NBA is basically all about 3s now. Spread teams out and try to score 3 pts instead of 2. And with that strategy take the 2 when it is a gimme. Pull the other team's center out from the paint and then he is the absolute worst rebounder out there because to rebound from the perimeter you need horizontal skills not vertical skills. It's the x-axis basketball philosophy.

@KUSTEVE

I think that question will be resolved in the next couple of weeks... depending who we recruit.

@FarSideHawk

"So if we get Ingram and he is being promised to start (ala Oubre), Greene or Svi will have to sit. Do we really want that?"

No one wants Greene or Svi to sit. But this is the SF spot. So far Greene and Svi play like SGs. Neither has shown the physicality to be an effective SF. Doesn't mean it won't happen... but neither guy gets the lock down at SF without earning that spot. If a young player comes in and shows he can do it, then they better stick to fighting for more minutes backing up the SF and the SG slots.

Of the two guys I see Greene as being the guy closer to finding a SF physicality. Very unlikely Svi can hold that spot this year. He really needs to strengthen up and play more aggressive basketball if he wants solid SF minutes. Really... Wayne has the best build of those three to be a SF. Just not sure he can consistently bring the physicality and I doubt he wants to give up minutes at the SG where he has his NBA hopes connected to.

I had a thread about having too many SGs on our team last year. When Conner was here, half of our team were SGs (6) even though we moved Frank to PG. Here is an area where I often rub with Self... and it is with the concept of "utility players." Guys who can play many slots on the floor. I remember he said Selden could go 1 through 4. What I care about is how well he can play the 2. This has really killed us in past years when we move utility players in at PG.

Our SF should be our most-athletic player with a full set of skills... shooting... ball handling... finishing at the rim... rebounding.. And he should be aggressive and attack the rim. He should also be able to handle an aggressive SF on the other team. I don't think those qualifications fit with either Svi or Greene. Both tend to play timid basketball and Greene is only just starting to use some physicality. I believe that is part of why he got banged up a lot last year, because he didn't have experience with physicality but was trying to play physical. Kudos to him for trying!

Ingram is lanky. But perhaps he plays physical and aggressive? I haven't seen him enough to know if we could really gain anything by snagging him. He may have been able to play aggressive in HS, but can his lanky body carry him in physical play in D1? I think many of you in here probably follow him and can better answer that question. It seems like Ingram would get pushed around at the SF in the B12.

Maybe we bring in Ingram at the SG, where he probably belongs in the NBA... and move Wayne to the SF. It almost seems to be a better lineup. And if we land another big, Wayne shares minutes with Perry at the SF and backup at the SG. Wayne becomes our next EJ.. a guy asked to sacrifice his future for the team's sake.

@JayHawkFanToo

Thanks for the link... I really like this part:

"If a player is ranked really high, they often become complacent and get enabled by a swarm of vultures and hanger-on-ers who see this kid as their conduit to riches and fame. Everyone in their entourage becomes a "yes man" and kisses their butt. How does that help their development and growth?"

Sounds like AAU ball.

This is the problem all the one-and-done coaches have. This is the big issue hitting coaches like Calipari and now us with Self. Landing the top tier talent and then getting them to fight like their life is at stake. How do you succeed at teaching this? When someone figures it out, there should be a place for him in the HOF, not just because a guy like Calipari can recruit.

And how does it work when you have a team of these players and they thrash most of their competition all year? Are they prepared for March?

Struggle may just be THE most important factor in development. Esteem comes when athletes reach a hurdle (or plateau) and they figure out how to conquer it.

@REHawk

Maybe Carlton will carry a chip with him to Lawrence and have something to prove. Wouldn't that be a nice bonus?!

It will be interesting to see what this kid does in college. Will he go on "cruise control" at UNLV? "Path of least resistance?" "Just wants to get to the league?"

I really wonder if those comments were taken out of context, or he is just a kid who didn't know how to parse his words? If he goes on cruise control he'll hurt his draft stock, and if he is trying to see how fast he can get to the league, those two factors contradict each other.

I never envisioned him being a Jayhawk. Guess my gut feeling was correct.

I'm hoping we have some good news between today and Monday.

@wrwlumpy

"What brand is he wearing?"

S.T.U.D.

@JayhawkRock78

Maybe add in the "open-hand cup check." I remember EJ perfected it well. Wasn't that in a March game?

@brooksmd

Can you keep a secret? :-)

@jaybate-1.0

""theologians generally accept the opinion that hell is really within the earth, in Manhattan, Kansas."

@KUinLA

"basketball coaches are hired on their ability to win, not teach."

I'd like to believe that.. but from what I see, winning is just a part of college coaching. Teaching is a big part of college coaching and was at the root of college basketball history. Most early coaches were already teaching at the university. I believe that is why there is a big difference in strategies applied by NBA coaches versus college coaches. If you have a volume scorer who is effective in the NBA the coach will run most of his offense through that one player. College it is all about team, team, team. They teach basketball philosophy, not about all-out winning.

@RockChalkinTexas

I'd take Isaiah Taylor in a heartbeat.

Wow... can you send me out some steer paddies with blue blooms out the top?

@Crimsonorblue22

I'm not sure. Maybe the existing players are looking at Shaka as an opportunity?

@REHawk

John C? The Greasy Grinch that Grimed Christmas?

Interesting... so Shaka's players from VCU want to leave... but none of Barne's players from Texas want to leave?

Doesn't that say a lot?!

@dylans

"That tells me the team was on a razors edge."

I think ALL college teams live on a razor's edge. They are kids and kids freak out. A senior-laden team might keep better composure, but we've even seen those teams choke.

I like how you mentioned that our guys were out of position. Couple that with timing and motion issues. After our brief love affair with the long ball, we went back to Self's bread and butter, playing through the post. With just a little tweaking couldn't that have run every bit as well as ISU's offense on a good day? Seriously? We were pounding the ball into Perry around the FT line, and the entire world knows he is dangerous in that area so defenses collapsed... but where was the outlet 3? Once we established our game was working through the post we didn't follow it up properly by springing guys for open 3s. Our guys either were miss-spaced or they weren't in motion, creating their own scoring space through motion and timing. If anyone doesn't know what I mean, please reference back to NDs offense last year. Those guys really knew how to run offense. Timely cuts. When a player exposed a weakness and attacked, the other guys weren't just standing there watching, they knew that was the time for them to work their own scoring space because there would be a good chance they would receive an assist feed.

Our offense never ran like that... but it had every bit the potential to do so. We had solid scoring capabilities at everything but the 5.

Bill Self: "I don't want to bragg, but this Bragg kid is unbelievable! He will make a great team mate for all you unsigned elite recruits out there!"

The final days are here, and Bill Self is running his full-court press. He is sitting on Santa's lap and perhaps he has a long list only because he has backup gifts listed if he doesn't get a couple of the big gifts he wants.

This is Christmas time for Jayhawk basketball. This is the time of year when suddenly we wake up one morning and Santa has come with a gift or two under the tree. It is an exciting time, especially if we've all been good boys and girls and Santa feels generous this year.

We all know what gifts are at the top of Bill Self's list. What we don't know is what gifts are at the bottom. Does he really insist we have two or three new gifts under the tree this year? Would he settle for a gift with missing parts on a one-year back-order? Or what about some of the hand-me-down gifts that are used and properly broken in?

Will this be a year where Santa comes really late, after many of the fans have proclaimed him a scrooge this year? Or a year where a big gift comes but later we find damaged and unusable either by injury or ineligibility?

Our goal is to have a better result than last year, hopefully much better. We lost two quality players to the draft. One of those players came on strong, the other didn't make much of an impact. Otherwise, we have everyone back. We've added Bragg and he may end up offering us as much good as Oubre did. It won't take too much from another player to offer what we lost in Alexander. When you consider the rest of our team gets another year of experience and manhood under their belt, we should be a better team next year. We should improve on our overall record and we should go further in March. A big factor in our results for next year will be decided now, if Santa ends up feeling generous!

@BeddieKU23

"I see we have thrown our hats into 2 former VCU signee's Tevin Mack & Kenny Williams."

Wouldn't that be something... we go at Chaka Khan with his own ex players!

@HighEliteMajor

That was the first thought in my head, too. I don't care if he is 6'8" or 6'9"... just don't say he is 6'9" when he is 6'6"!

@ralster

Gosh man... you are getting us all jacked up for ball when we need to be tending our gardens! ha..

Awesome in depth posts on the MAN, Bill Self. Enjoyed it thoroughly.

@phoghawk33

"Why do you believe that Lucas can't improve anymore and has plateaud?"

These guys are all kids. None of them have come close to plateauing unless they suffer a major injury. Now and old man like me... ha.. I'm finally reaching my plateau! :-)

@5541-james

I don't think we have to do too much to make that same formation work well against a m2m. Our post player moving forward has to set high ball screens... maybe not out at the 3pt line like we always have them. Maybe closer around the FT line and we can even pick up screen help from a post defender and have our perimeter guys trained to curl in and around our post player's screen. We've become too predictable on our high ball screens because our perimeter guys always stay on the outside of the 3pt line. We need to mix it up more and utilize other options in the future, and some of it is to variate where we set our high ball screens.

BTW: I loved it when we had a post guy flanked down on the baseline. Few D1 coaches take advantage of the options that can be run through that area. I'd really love to see us develop someone for baseline attacking. If Kelly would have stayed around for another year and learned a few more skills he would have been a guy that could attack from there, too. Perry tried some but didn't have all that much success. Part of it is knowing where you are at and not letting the backboard block your shot!

@KUSTEVE

I think you nailed it. It would be great if we only had to play one or two star freshmen for vital minutes and the rest come from experienced players. It has never been fair to examine Kelly, or Andrew or JoJo and not consider the rest of the team they were playing with. Not only would an experienced team offer better support, they would also help mentor these young players.

Our big problem happened 3 years ago when we lost 6 or 7 of our top players in the same year. We need to do whatever we can to avoid that from happening again!

@tis4tim

I never heard stories or had experiences first hand... but there has been plenty of stories come out on this with testimony from the athletes themselves. I have very little trust of media in general, including our own... but often the testimonies were live interviews and conducted in many different countries. Hard to believe it is all false.

I don't think anyone was held at gun point. However, the stories usually went into detail about what kind of pressure they were under (duress) or what kind of financial incentives were used.

And I don't want to slam any particular country.

@nuleafjhawk

How about TADU?

Vague enough that no one knows if it means two-and-done or three-and-done!

@RockChalkinTexas

Ooops... did I accidentally "like" your post? :-)

@HighEliteMajor

"See, I don't think we have to recruit in this circus. We just don't. Kansas, with coach Self, using all of its leverage and muscle, focusing on non-OADs like Bragg, surely would trump the Texas A&Ms of the world if Self would guarantee recruits that he wouldn't bring in OADs. Why couldn't this work?"

I agree... but isn't this based on the premise we develop players? It seems like we lost our bargaining chip when Danny left, especially for bigs.

I'll believe it is our path when we let recruiting assistant go and pick up a developmental assistant. That is the first step. It even helps recruit OADs.

I'm like you and I'm sick of the soap opera around OADs. Our entire season ends up being based perhaps on something as silly as what shoes our guys are wearing.

Imagine if we became the Kentucky for non-OAD players? Players in that 20-50 range. And sometimes a dark horse guy up to 100. Then we get to comb through the bunch and look for the guys that best fit in our program and have good upside.... just not so much upside they leave in a year. Even though you can't hold a kid to it, try to ask that they commit at least 2 years to our program.

Then we carefully layout a long term strategy where we have mostly juniors and seniors starting, with the occasional sophomore. Quality freshmen will earn minutes, too... they just won't be in a tizzy over minutes since they aren't trying to leave after one year. Since we invested in development, all our guys are happy because they realize they are helping their game more at Kansas than if they made a different choice.

We should rename our school, "Kansas Developmental University." (or should it be University of Kansas Developmental?)

@RockChalkinTexas

She thinks she does... her entire family watches every single match he plays in! Very proud people.

@tis4tim

You know this goes on. Athletes are often separated into same-sport communities and hopes (or pressures) for specific people to come together to propagate. I've heard it in interviews from athletes in these countries in many different sports, from gymnastics to figure skating.

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He is taking an in-home visit with Mullin this weekend. Going to tell him "sorry, I'm going to Kansas!" (?)

@BeddieKU23

I don't get it... why would guys rather transfer than redshirt? They have to sit a year anyways. No guarantee they will find playing time somewhere else either. Redshirt shows your commitment to the program. Doesn't mean you will automatically earn PT, but it gives you every opportunity to do so. An extra year to learn and master your coach's system?! Seems like a no-brainer unless you just don't get along.

@ralster

"While every single Jayhawk man, woman, and child has every right to ask Self about early Tourney exits, the same questions should be directed to Roy, Coach K, Calipari, etc...by their respective fanbases--> and they were...I read many Dukie and KY and UNC comment boards after their 1st round exits and NIT "experiences"... It wasn't pretty from about 40-50% of the comments immediately following their losses either."

We fans expect a lot. Most of us are far past the age of our players so we don't even recall how we executed at their age. How much of the March performance is a total crap shoot because the players are so young? How can a coach predict if his guys will come out and execute? Even if they do execute, anything can happen and a team can get rattled.

I think back to myself at that age. I can't imagine having to execute with all the pressure these kids face today. I marvel at the level of execution they actually accomplish. I remember being the biggest oaf on first dates in college. Tripping over cracks in the sidewalk and stuttering my words. Yet... I expect these kids to step into an arena with 40ooo screaming fans and TV cameras with big lights and think they should execute perfectly. I know, I know... they've been building up to this since junior high. So was my conversations with girls....

@ParisHawk

I don't think so. GMOs have to be labeled as "GMO food" in Holland and most people there fear the impact of GMOs on personal health.

I think the biggest factor is the combination of more people eating a healthier diet and connect that with their genetics.

@dylans

Love it! Thanks!

@wrwlumpy

I think a lot of guys do this, several have come to Kansas. It just gives him a way out easily right up until the last second. Once the scholarship papers are signed, he can't leave without NCAA clearance and that means losing a year of eligibility. I believe the actual commitment starts when the player receives his first scholarship benefit (via grant-in-aid).

@JayHawkFanToo

"Do you think the platooning at UK and eventual earlier than anticipated exit have or will affect UK negatively? Are recruits wandering why attend UK, play limited minutes while sharing the spot light and not even win the Title? If the UK players go lower than expected in the draft, would that be the beginning of the end of the Cal Experiment?"

I also ask these questions. Has Cal's greed for more finally caught up with him? Let's face it, unless these kids are getting cash under the table why would any highly-touted recruit go to UK to sit on the bench? How does that help his stock? Just because they get to practice everyday with other McDs AAs? They don't have the exclusive on the top tier players so you can go elsewhere, practice daily with top players, AND be an important part of your team, fighting for a national championship and being pushed to your limits. That is what NBA scouts want to see... not just how well you can dunk in warmups.

I say that, but Cal still has one of the top recruit classes coming in, but this time he has lost the head off his monster... the twins. Now he has to regroup and have less experience on the floor trying to pull it all together. And since he just goes after all the recruits at the top, without considering chemistry, anything is possible. Maybe he will have a player step up, like unibrow, to gift him another NC, or maybe not? What Cal's system lacks is a way for his team to develop a chip. These guys just walk around all day with cameras in their faces and sports guys telling them how great they are.

@HighEliteMajor

I'm not bothered by the fact that we recruit the top shelf talent. What is bothering me is we seem to ONLY be invested in the top tier. Self is trying to establish Kansas as a school for top tier talent. This means we pass up a lot of other guys that could develop into good players and stay more than a year, representing our potential depth. Self doesn't want to recruit lower players because he thinks it makes us look bad to OAD guys. We have 3 scholarships and do you think we are actually going to fill all 3 spots? Doubtful. Teams that develop talent FILL their roster.

Maybe I'm missing the point. I'm no college coach. Maybe if we get the right guys we don't need 13 scholarship players. In some ways it seemed to help us last year when we lost Conner because we had too many guys fighting for those minutes. We do have 3 bench post players. If we do land someone like Diallo, then we have 3 quality post players in Ellis, Braggs and Diallo. Is that enough?

@dylans

"When Taylor catches the ball in the key and drives down the lane it scares and excites me everytime. It scares me because it's Traylor. It excites me because I can see a player like Bragg or Diallo killing it with that move."

It excites me, too! But I have to admit that I don't have a clue if Diallo has good dribbling skills. I believe Bragg has pretty good handles.

If there is a downside to the game of basketball it is how height plays too big a role. We all know height is a huge factor. So many guys that couldn't play junior high basketball are propelled into D1 because they are tall. In some ways they take a lot of potential out of the game.

I wonder what the game would be like if we didn't have goals upright to 10'? Maybe the goals are sideways on a wall like meso ball. Or structured some way where height doesn't help or hinder the play of the game?

I don't think Naismith ever imagined his game to go in this direction and be dominated so much by height.

I also think part of this relates to aggression in our society. So in our favorite pastime, we like to see guys smash a ball down through the hoop as hard as possible, or see a guy get his shot blocked into the 10th row. Never mind that it didn't even win you a possession. "Get that snit out of here!!!" Aggression is a huge part of the game and the entertainment value.

I wonder what aliens will think when they land on our planet 100,000 years from now and discover a postcard showing Wilt stuffing a basketball?

@dylans

"Sounds like something slave owners did."

Or something for Adidas in their Nazi days with Josef Mengele spearheading the program.

@jaybate-1.0

"Which is better for college basketball and for America? Players spending a year abroad, before going pro, or just letting them go straight to the NBA?"

This is a monster can of worms. Many things need to be addressed. @ralster veered off into "market forces"... and when going this way in the International world you have to address politics and subsidized competition. Competing with Chinese teams isn't apples-to-apples with American teams because they are largely or wholly subsidized by their government, the same as their manufacturing competing against American manufacturing.

You left out another option in your statement above... how about D1 paying players with more than an education? The financial gap could be reduced and I'm pretty sure the enticement to go abroad for most of these kids would stop if they received enough money to buy a flash car or help their family buy food.

@Kip_McSmithers

Are we still actively recruiting Thon? Sure haven't heard much about our activity there.

@jaybate-1.0

"This lack of domestic footers fascinates me."

According to this liberal article we might want to blame our height deficiency on our free enterprise system. It seems we need to be "socialized" at a higher level to make sure every citizen makes enough money to buy better nutritional food.

It is all based on The Netherlands recent spike in height, becoming the world's tallest people. Funny, that contradicts with what I read that Serbian people had spiked to the top.

Why Are the Dutch So Tall? ↗

Gosh... if all this is true you would think the French would tower over all of us with their very socialized government.

Personally... I lived in Holland for two decades. I believe their spike has to do with being a cheese culture. Everyone eats cheese and not the Kraft chemical cheese Americans eat. Probably helps bones spurt in growth a couple more inches. I do miss all the outstanding Dutch cheese. But once again... French cheese is outstanding, too, and they eat a lot of cheese. Perhaps they just drown it down with too much wine, stunting their growth.

Or, by golly, is it just possible that genetics has something to do with it all?

Convincing him to stay one more year can be the difference between a Sweet 16 appearance and a Final Four run out. Wish he would have stayed! He would have had an amazing season next year.

Pretty good scouting video. His biggest issue is going too much to the left. He'll get hedged out of a lot of his scoring opportunities at the next level. He'll have to learn to score with his right hand, dribble with his right hand, develop faster, better handles and compete with a crossover dribble. He really needed another year to develop some of this. Just hope he figures it out soon. He's too good a player to not make it in the NBA.

I couldn't get your link to work.

Here he is this past season playing for Greece:

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This page has him listed at 7'1", 260 lbs. He is definitely bigger than 235.

My wife is Serbian... so I may have to go under a new pen name this summer...

@ralster

I'm electing you our new inside source! Great job!

I had one very brief conversation with Bill before the season and all he did was basically apologize for not landing a 5. He was totally worried how we were going to win without a real 5.

For that reason alone, I still can't imagine we won't end up without someone who can be a strong presence in the paint. I would be quite happy with Diallo, even though he isn't a tree.

@5541-james

"The hi lo went from what are we doing with this system ? "

I could be seeing this wrong.. but in my imagination Self has been transforming the hi/lo considerably over this past season. He's repositioning the low post. He used to have a 4 and a 5, right and left, camping in the low post. Now he seems to like to pull one up to around the FT line and have the other in the low post, or flanked on the baseline.

We have the same strategy to work out of the post, but sometimes the post is just below the FT line. This gives our post guys a completely different opportunity to rack up points because they don't often have to use back-to-the-basket scoring moves. They can turn to the basket and drive or just pop an easy midrange shot.

Plus... sometimes we have a 4 or 5 slash through the paint and accept the ball and score off a slash. I believe both of these moves came about because neither Perry of Jamari could score effectively with their back to the basket... both are better scorers while in motion.

I was like everyone else in here and disappointed when we turned away from the perimeter offense in the middle of the season.... but I was pleasantly surprised by some of the ways we attacked in the post. I'd like to see some of that with some high recruits that are capable post scorers.

I'm hoping some of that file footage will come in handy recruiting bigs. It seems to be tailor-made for Diallo!

@JayHawkFanToo

We didn't make his final 5 list... he's going to Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette or Maryland. He would be a great replacement for the loss of Oubre. I'd still like to have more insurance in the post.

@RockChalkinTexas

They'll all have to sit a year, right?

@Crimsonorblue22

High transfers is a sign of the times. Been lots of stories on this phenomenon. Young players searching for greener pastures.

This is a phenomenon that is feeding itself. Since it is growing so rapidly, recruiters are starting to spend time conversing more with players already at other universities.... mostly because these players are reaching out to other schools.

Another thing... players are now becoming aware of some of these other rules. Like... how we got Tar last year.