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@FarmerJayhawk Yes. This team is super soft. They would get killed by those old timers. They’ve never even seen anyone play defense like that. It would be hilarious to watch Jordan make them cry. 😂 Durant and James are the biggest weenies you could hope for and they’re past their prime.

Edwards isn’t quite ready for prime time. He does have the proper attitude. One of the few players on the team that would have earn minutes for the 1992 team.

Tatum and Adabayo would have had Laetners role on the 1992 team deep bench.

The NBA players now would have a hard time with the physicality of 90s basketball. Just like the 2022 team would’ve been destroyed by the 2008 KU basketball team - defense is much different now as in no one plays good defense. Case in point Sudan scored 99 points.

The problem is for people too young to have watched, they have no clue how much the game has regressed on the defensive side. They also have no idea that it would not matter who you paired with prime Jordan, he would win.

They were in their primes, not the announcers you see today.

Pippen 26
David Robinson 26
Karl Malone 28
Jordan 29
Ewing 29
Barkley 29
Stockton 30
Magic 32
Bird 35

-Edwards 22
Tatum 26
Bam 27
Embiid 30
Davis 31
Durant 35
Curry 36
James 39

The 1992 roster had a total of 267,000 career points, 23 championship titles, 100 All-NBA selections, and 14 MVP Awards.

The 2024 Team USA roster 189,000 career points, 15 championship titles, 59 All-NBA selections, and 8 MVP Awards.

Michael Jordan replied:

"I guess we'll never know. I'd like to think that we had 11 Hall of Famers on that team, and whenever they get 11 Hall of Famers, you call and ask me who had the better Dream Team. Remember now, they learned from us. We didn't learn from them." Michael Jordan in 2012 talking about a different forgotten “dream team”.

Drive is definitely lacking if this is the overwhelmingly more talented and skilled group. “Soft” I believe is what our coach would say. A team that would get bounced early in the tournament, is the best comp I’ve got.

I’ve been hearing how the current USA Men’s basketball team would beat the 1992 team. I’m just going to say that’s probably recency bias. The current team needed a last second layup from LeBron James to clinch the win against Sudan. The 1992 team was in a 32 point nail biter as its closest game. The international game has improved dramatically, but Sudan is hardly a power house. I’m disheartened by the lack of focus/defensive intensity/general give a 💩. I’d like to see more effort when representing the country. Just kick their butts thoroughly enough to enjoy the 4th quarter from the bench instead of losing focus so quickly that they have to play to the wire - at least that’s my desire.

As a reminder of what full game effort can do to the competition. - as the late great Logoman Jerry West said, “ ...you know competitive people the word dogs comes up a lot that guy's a dog, I was a wolf. Okay I used to eat dogs.” That’s the mentality I love. Jordan had it. Kobe had it. Maybe Anthony Edwards will have it, the previous group really doesn’t.

https://usopm.org/1992-mens-basketball-team/ ↗

Does Billy have any eligibility left? 😂

@approxinfinity It helps get to the root cause.

Edit - If there is no blame, there can be no accountability. If there is no admission of mistakes, no growth can occur and the cycle repeats in perpetuity.

@FarmerJayhawk Without naming names, career politicians are a big part of the reason we are in the current mess. No one should be in office for decades, it’s perverse.

@nuleafjhawk I tend to agree with George Carlin - “Think about how dumb the average person is and realize that half the people out there are dumber than that!” These are the same people who elect our leaders. Of course the people in charge are morons, they were elected by millions of idiots.

@approxinfinity said in Tornados:

@nuleafjhawk pretty much my sentiments.

The article NYT ran today about Elon Musks goal to have 1 million people on Mars in 20 years was an interesting distraction, minus the “Elon has happily donated his sperm to populate the colony” part.

At least he wasn’t angry at it. Maybe a little Hawk Tuah girl for inspiration. 😝

@wissox No arguments here. They are both floppers though. Lay the wood on the court stormer, don’t be such a pussy.

@wissox I think they should watch Jamari Traylor for an example of how to act in those situations. He handled it much better.

@Crimsonorblue22 kinda

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/spurs-to-trade-devonte-graham-second-round-pick-to-hornets.html ↗

Dang. I liked seeing that clip. Guess it’s gone.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article289704479.html#campaignName=kansascity_morning_newsletter&linkType=nmeintro ↗

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@approxinfinity said in Keeping track of the ever changing 24-25 roster:

drafted players in the NBA can refuse to play for the team that drafted them

Tell all teams he will refuse to play for them… until next year.

They retain his rights indefinitely though. The Bronny James I’ll go to Australia stuff was funny. No worries , no one wants to draft your guy Rich Paul. 😂

Some Furphy love

Despite not having a first-round pick, the Pacers landed the No. 5 player in my projections when they moved up one spot to stop Furphy's slide into the second round. I get why scouts might not have believed Furphy was a lottery talent as my projections suggested, but to see him not go in the first round was legitimately shocking. If Furphy develops as a shooter with size, he'd fit well alongside Pascal Siakam in the Indiana frontcourt.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40429028/2024-nba-draft-grades-winners-losers-sleepers-all-30-teams-classes ↗

@FarmerJayhawk Spin spin spin. It’s why the numbers are completely untrustworthy. Human bias is incredibly blinding.

This is the deception. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/st-louis-lawsuit-exhibits-expose-that-rams-and-nfl-lied-about-planned-l-a-move ↗

This is the reason behind the lawsuit.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/10/13/business-of-football-understanding-st-lous-rams-lawsuit ↗

The city of St. Louis—along with St. Louis County, and the St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority (I will refer to all of them here as “St. Louis”)—sued NFL owners in 2017 with a kitchen sink full of legal claims: breach of contract, fraud, illegal enrichment and tortious interference, all resulting in substantial financial losses for the city of St. Louis. The suit has been in the City of St. Louis Circuit Court (22nd judicial circuit).

The basis of the suit, from my reading, is that the NFL owners breached an enforceable contract among themselves in the relocation of the Rams to L.A., a breach to which St. Louis is a third-party beneficiary, by not complying with their own relocation policy guidelines (the “Policy”). The through line of the plaintiff’s argument is that despite the fact that St. Louis met the contractual guidelines and protocols of the Policy, the owners disregarded the Policy when it stood in their way of their desired result: getting the Rams to LA.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40445756/missouri-gov-public-aid-plan-works-chiefs-royals-stadiums ↗

They quote @FarmerJayhawk in this article! 😂 just kidding there is a mention of the economic impact of a building a new stadium in a new city. Unfortunately it’s a blanket statement that doesn’t account for the stadium being built in the same economic area of impact that it currently exists in, but shifts the income to different coffers.

@FarmerJayhawk The case and settlement had nothing to do with financial disclosures. That was just the whip that got the job hastened. Like your spin job though.

@FarmerJayhawk you wild Spinmeister!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rams-owner-stan-kroenke-forced-to-pay-staggering-571-million-of-nfls-st-louis-settlement-per-report/# ↗

The lawsuit was originally filed by the city of St. Louis, St. Louis County and the Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority all the way back in 2017. The lawsuit was filed because the plaintiffs felt that the Rams "violated the obligations and standards governing team relocations" by moving the franchise. Basically, the city of St. Louis and the other plaintiffs felt that the Rams broke the NFL's relocation guidelines when they left town and that the other 31 teams were at fault because they voted to let the Rams move.

St. Louis interests sued the league and Rams owner Stan Kroenke after NFL owners approved the team's move to Los Angeles in 2016. They sought more than $1 billion in damages.

A $790 million settlement was reached in November 2021. About $275 million went to attorney fees. That left $512 million, and interest brought the total to around $519 million.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/35149258/deal-finalized-divide-rams-settlement-money-st-louis ↗

The suit claimed the NFL violated its own relocation guidelines, and that the league and the Rams enriched themselves at the expense of the community they abandoned.

Looks like the NBA folks don’t care for a player that completely disappears in the second half. I hope he goes in the second round or really improves if he has to come back. I would hate a repeat of his freshman performance.

@patoh3 It’s crazy that they took a money pit like an nfl team away from a city and had to pay $790 million in damages. Seems like St Louis should be happy according to the studies.

@AsadZ I would be surprised if they caught Cleveland. Wild card I hope.

@AsadZ Need to regain their mojo. Hope it wasn’t just lucky timing on the run production earlier in the season.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in So, Kansas Reinstated the Border War (for the Chiefs):

So i have done a ton of reading on STAR bonds after reading the two combatants above!

There's no simple answer. They are both right, with some chaos by both thrown in as well.

The good: It brings new and exciting things to the community. I imagine lots of people in Kansas are happy that these new things exist in their communities. That's hard to put a price tag on. You can argue it doesn't cost the tax payer a thing if successful. It eventually brings in a new taxable base for the city/county.

The not so good: You're basically for free publicly financing work that a gazillionaire could do privately. Depending on the STAR bond, most if not all of the taxes collected after the project opens go directly to pay back the bond. So none of that taxable base would go toward city/county coffers for other use. And if it works out, the payback for the bonds could be 30 years for the Chiefs project. So you're losing out on tax money for a long ass time. If there's a default, that's a problem.

So i dunno. I like nice things. There's lots of not so good in there, but if the bonds are eventually paid off as promised, no harm no foul?

Our local billionaire funded tons of amazing projects - stuff that would never happen otherwise like a dance studio. Unfortunately Cecil passed away and they don’t grow billionaires on trees in western Kansas. Hell, trees barely grow.

As for the two water parks in western Kansas that are labeled failures - the money is mostly local (thus the “failure”), but it’s keeping the money local (so it’s a net positive for the area). There is no similar place locally you’d have to travel 3-6 hours away to blow that money before. On occasion one of the parks will entice us into to that town and we’ll do a Walmart pickup order (small town living $500 per trip for 2-3 weeks worth of supplies) while there, minor stimulus. Success or failure depends upon the lenses you view it with - retaining local money is important too!

With the Chiefs stadium - it would likely be 60% Kansas people that would be spending money there, locals that make the numbers look bad in the study. However 100% of those dollars were going to another state before so it’s all new income not just the 40% or so from out of state. -as is the employee income and if Clark moves the Chiefs headquarters to Kansas as well his roughly half of the pie too.

"The reason we started on it so early is that we studied those cities that had problems with their teams," Lamping said. "Unfortunately there have been cities that have lost their NFL teams and they generally all have the same thing in common. It's a smaller market. The team doesn't have a lease tying them to the city and they have an unresolved stadium problem.”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40432558/jacksonville-city-council-approves-renovation-jaguars-everbank-stadium ↗

By that definition your grandpa’s elevator was a huge failure. No doubt he borrowed some money to build it, repaid the loan and successfully operated it for many years. However the money he accumulated came from the local community and so his success meant someone else local lost, therefore it was an economic failure under these terms. - a ridiculous statement that I believe in no way, but it seems to be your argument against the star bonds.

@FarmerJayhawk All you have is your hugely flawed studies that tell you what to think. Form your own thoughts and get back to me. 8 years wow!!! 🤯 Ironically I’m not that much older than you, just have different much different experiences.

The “failure” is a lack of a long distance draw. The bonds are all getting repaid, with one exception. That is only a failure by drawing up ridiculous definitions of what a success is. Repaying your debt and while creating jobs and activities for local people is hardly a failure. Half of all new business shutter their doors in 5 years, that is a failure.

@FarmerJayhawk Your talking to the wrong guy - if I understand correctly you work for the university - ie part of the problem. Government jobs will never create anything but debt for me. I’m self employed, I pay my taxes (self employment taxes are extra special!) while getting little to nothing from the government in return. My grandfather was an entrepreneur who started over a dozen business. Maybe that is why I am not offended by the money required to create such a boon to the local economy, I understand what it takes.

Those bonds will be paid for by the project, as every other star bond project has been with the exception of the schlitterbon murder water park.

It sounds like someone who just moved to Kansas and has no clue about how things actually are used is making judgements about the success or failure of business based upon studies that are incomplete in there assessment of the value returned to the people who actually live here.

The wasted tax dollars are not on these projects that are paying for actually themselves it’s government positions like University professor or whomever does these poorly done economic studies that are robbing the people - how much did it cost to come up with that result that doesn’t line up with the reality of the situation?

TLDR - go out and experience the things built with STAR bond money in Kansas, see the Kansans that are enjoying it and then tell me it was wasted money.

@FarmerJayhawk 🥱 there is no such business that “lose” for the dodge city or garden city water parks. There simply isn’t anywhere local to spend your money on like that. It didn’t relocate money from one business to another, it relocated it from people’s savings.

It doesn’t matter what you or anyone else thinks, we don’t even get to vote on the matter.

@FarmerJayhawk I guess you’re not for attracting any business that generates positive tax revenue if it requires luring them with incentives. I suppose you would call it corporate welfare. The thing is this is more like the Jesus fishing parable than a government handout - it will actually return the tax money and then some. The free money the government gave to the public caused inflation without job creation and left the people with a lifetime of greater future expenses that far outweigh the pittance they received. This is what happens when you give gobs of money to us peons instead of the fortunate few that can actually use it for the greater good even if it further lines their pockets. Lining their pockets, but creating jobs for us normal folks.

You can deflect to projects that didn’t work as planned, but none of them involved nfl teams. I’m afraid you’re stuck with your confirmation bias and simply cannot see how this project should actually be very profitable.

Near as I can tell the economic failure of the previous STAR bond projects isn’t the inability to repay the bonds, it’s simply that more Kansans are enjoying the nice new things in Kansas than out of state folks. Isn’t that terrible?!?

@wissox round 2 or 4. Bill is better with time to prepare.

@FarmerJayhawk The away team has to pay taxes, just like the Chiefs do when on the road. You’re so entrenched in your position that you can’t even do the straight line logic there. I’m sorry it’s such a sore point to you, but the bright side is if you never set foot on the stadium you will not pay any taxes. That’s the point of STAR bonds, show your principals and just don’t go.

And if the STAR bonds become available to the general public in a denomination I can afford I would put my money where my mouth is.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40402946/2024-nba-draft-sleeper-draft-prospects-every-position ↗

Already known as an elite defender, McCullar's ability to keep opponents honest with his improved slashing, passing and spot-shooting made him a strong first-round candidate as a plug-and-play, 3-and-D wing with playmaking chops, but perhaps not as long in duration as NBA teams would have liked to see. The Jayhawks' on/off splits with McCullar healthy and either injured or out were stark, as the offense fell off once he got hurt. They were 10.3 points worse per 100 possessions over the final 16 games of the season and lost to Gonzaga in the second round of the NCAA tournament.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38788364/2024-nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-25-prospects ↗

Spoiler alert - thirty seven

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2305/kansas-jayhawks ↗

https://www.kmbc.com/article/closer-look-at-star-bond-projects-in-kansas/61180045 ↗

Here’s some examples not in Atlanta

@FarmerJayhawk 5.8% of 30 billion. The salary cap goes up 5-8% every year and is currently 255million it projects to 1-2 billion per year in 25-30 years. Come on man! It’s easy math, you’re way over complicating it. Plus the local sales tax stays local with star bond projects - ie there will be added income to Wyandotte county or wherever it lands.

I figured an economist could easily figure some really basic stuff out, but you’re really proving my point of how easily the data is skewed when providing outcome driven results. The 1,200 workers on the home games will pay taxes. The parking lot will collect fees, tickets will be sold, hotdogs and beer will be bought. This is all taxed and is income above the already paid for star bonds by the players income tax alone. Oh yeah the Hunts get to pay taxes on their half of the revenue to Kansas as well. The income from a couple super bowls (that will never happen in Arrowhead). But wait there’s more it’s a dome - add in revenue from possible final four games, concerts, etc. Then add in revenue from sports betting in the venue, hotel income, dining, bars - getting people in your town instead of a county over creates a boat load of income producing opportunities.

@FarmerJayhawk It’s simple math and that’s why your field is a mess. You would rather site a study than admit you’re wrong about the exact example we are referencing. If you can entice any business, let alone a business that attracts tourism, that has a projected payroll of 1-2 billion dollars(depends if you figure 5 or 8% annual increase in the salary cap) a year at the end of the term and only cost 1.5 billion to entice, the economics are simple. Any money that is created over the players income tax is positive revenue. Let that sink in.

You’re upset because I called your methodology into question. The exact reason I do so is because you are so entrenched in the studies that you are ignoring the known outcomes in this case. It’s like you won’t admit that this is easily paid for by player salary income tax alone because someone did a study somewhere about some entirely different business that happened to be funded the same way. Do any of those 16 examples have a minimum employee salary distribution of 255 million with 5-8% annual growth proven over the last 25 years? No they don’t, so they’re irrelevant and yet you keep circling back to worthless info.

Math checks out. Farmer is just being a hater, too dug in to face facts. The NFL is a cash printing press.

@FarmerJayhawk Completely ignoring a very easy math reality to site studies is what is wrong with permanent residents of academia.

@FarmerJayhawk Ignoring the math I see. There is zero substance behind your argument.

@FarmerJayhawk Boeing pulled most of its business out of Wichita and moved it to Seattle due to policy. OKC is booming with previous Kansas business due to better policy. It’s very common for business to close shop in Kansas and just move to OKC or Texas and find great success.

Good thing is if you’re correct @FarmerJayhawk these business in Lawrence won’t feel any impact. https://www.kctv5.com/2024/01/31/businesses-lawrence-fear-economic-impact-ku-games-kansas-city/?outputType=amp ↗

Math says the nfl salary cap is 255million and increases at a rate of 8% annually.

That amounts to a little over 30.8 billion in Chiefs player salary alone pad out over the 30 year period. Of that 15.4 billion would be taxable by Kansas at 5%. The income tax on the player salaries alone would total 770 million. Just the income tax on the players not the staff, not the taxes generated by tourists, not the revenue generated for the community that gets taxed. Just the players salaries will generate three quarters of a billion in tax revenue for the STAR bonds.

Also the opponents have the same salary cap and have to pay income taxes when they play in Kansas, so you can double that total. As in the STAR bonds will be completely paid for by the income tax generated by the players alone.

Add in 2-3 super bowls and that economic impact over the 30 year period as well. It’s really a no brainer to want to attract an NFL team.

tldr - The players will generate 1.5 billion in income tax alone thru the life of the STAR bonds, which should be around 1.5 billion as well

@FarmerJayhawk I mean it’s already a proven winner in the area for the racetrack. Why look at a study when you have actual working proof right in front of your face? You have your mind made up, I can respect that. You don’t want to subsidize billionaires in this way. Fair enough. The area will not get developed and no taxes will be created nor utilized. That line of thinking is why Kansas has steadily gone backwards economically since the late eighties. It used to be a fairly progressive state when it came to attracting business, now it all goes across the line due to better policies.

32 teams would be better for KU

@FarmerJayhawk sample size is crap my friend. That is how you skew results. Use local data not national. It’s already proven to work right in that’s area! Sheesh what’s better a study by academics or an actual working example just a few miles down the road?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40401734/kansas-governor-signs-offer-chiefs-royals-stadium-help ↗

You’re in the bipartisan minority. Maybe tell your representative.

The votes on the Kansas stadium-financing plan were 84-38 in the state House and 27-8 in the Senate. Lawmakers from across the state — even western Kansas, far from any new stadium — supported the measure.

It would allow state bonds to cover up to 70% of each new stadium, paying them off over 30 years with revenues from sports betting, state lottery ticket sales and new sales and alcohol taxes collected from shopping and entertainment districts around the new stadiums.

-areowheadpride.com

@FarmerJayhawk Data coming from universities is often flawed by methodology in my many of my experiences, flawed by work ethic in others, and further flawed by the researchers biases. The government (lawmakers and universities both) will freely lie to the people to get what they want without repercussions.

personal examples I can point to are not in the economic field as I don’t give it much merit, it has very limited usefulness. Economists are just people with no skin in the game telling everyone what’s going to happen like the weather man - wrong all the time, but no accountability. But I know the previous researcher at KSU would only release the results of herbicide trials if they gave the expected outcome, otherwise nda’s went into effect. I also know her methodology was poor, her follow thru was shit, but her presentations were bubbly and full of information that she fed you whether it was properly researched or not.

Economic impact studies, just like any other study, can be twisted to say whatever you want. I just wish I was so naive to think otherwise.

@FarmerJayhawk why look at a WVU study done by academics with no skin in any game? University studies almost always say what you pay them to say. Those studies are garbage because it’s based on people with no basis in the real world, they’re easily manipulated. Meanwhile there is wildly successful STAR bond project that was passed for the race track. Also the amazon warehouse. Some fail, but the recent local track record is pretty good.

STAR bonds are sold - people can buy them, the Chiefs will likely buy some, the Hunts will likely buys some. That money is repaid by tax revenue from that district over a thirty year term. Tax money that would not exist without the stadium.

If you live one block from the stadium and never go to a game or purchase anything from within that new area you pay zero taxes. An area that you a producing no taxes currently. New revenue created by the project to pay for the project. You never get something like that from the government. They always just want to tax everyone. This seems like a fair solution that not only creates a possible uptick in revenue, but is billed as a way of not creating taxes for those that don’t use it.

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