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HighEliteMajor said:

@jaybate-1-0 At the heart of my opinion is a strong emotional tug, I admit -- I just want to kick their a** into submission.

@jayballer54 Kind "suggestion." I think I'll pass. Perhaps this is just a hurt feelings day. I really do care. And I do appreciate the irrelevant point in your last paragraph regarding our win percentage. Struggling to see how that even connects, since, of course, we play Washington, Nebraska, Arizona St., Omaha, Texas El Chapo, etc.

@JayHawkFanToo "Disengenous" at worst -- I'm making progress. I did, of course, note the conference issue referring to WVU so that was there for all that might be misled and don't understand that WSU is in the MVC.

And I take it then you're referring the MVC? Or mid-majors? The kind that we never have issues with in the tourney? To answer a very good question, since 2010, if WSU would have been in the Big 12, I think they would have been the second best team overall in the Big 12, with WVU neck and neck with them after WVU joined. Before 2010, middle of the pack most of the time except a few years back to 2000. Of course, that helps win the argument since we find justification to be associated with basketball programs that are worse that WSU in our own conference.

To ask you a question, do you think our conference winning streak would be in place if WSU were in our conference? I don't thinks so.

And I think you're wrong on the MU thing -- the rivalry is back on. Give it some time, as I mentioned back when the Sprint center was packed an all anyone could do is talk about it (or complain about it).

You seem to want to try and justify that how badly we need to play WSU and you seem to want to go off just THIS YEAR SCHEDULE - -sorry doesn't work that way. - -This is ONE YEAR that our schedule hasn't been like years in the past and oh my how quick people such as yourself are to jump on that.

Year after year after year Ku has one of the strongest SOS"S in the land of College basketball - do you happen to remember those years? - or did it slip your mind - it's ok if it has. -but hey we wanna talk about THIS year right - -how sweet.

Did some checkin myself about those almighty Shockers - -things didn't turn out to favorable in comparison. Went back and checked over the last 20 years since 1997.

Wichita State record for that period -- 430-228
KU record over that same span? - - 587-135 - hmmmm?

Well let's not dwell on that - how about this like you brought up since 2000: - Wichita States Record? - -389-179- what was KU'S? - -glad you ask. - -505-107 - - - Hmmm does that equate out to a better winning pct then WSU? - -Not sure - -BUT I think - -MAYBE JUST MAYBE it does. - - -hmmmmm?

Ok that isn't good? - -well let's try this. - How about just SINCE Marsha has been the Coach of this powerhouse? - Greggs record in his 10 yrs at Wichita State? 257-89 - -Coach Self just over the last 10 yrs at KU - - glad you ask - - 311-64 - - hmmm, that breaks down to 74 more wins during that span- and ummmm 25 less losses, what the hell is up with that? - -Well lets see, how many 30 plus seasons has sweet old Marsha had during his time at WSU let's just have a little look - oh there it is - - -4. - Well now how many has Coach self had during those same 10 yr period - let's see - ooops there it is - -any guess? - It's 7 -dam 7 out of the last 10 yrs Coach Self with 30 plus wins.

Would you like to compare each teams non con Schedule over the past 10 years to see how they compare with one anothers? - wanna see who had the stronger non con Schedule? - -Do we wanna Compare the two Conferences that each School was in up until this year?- - Please, you want to go off THIS YEARS Non Con and try and give us hell give me a break - -Wichita State up until the last 5-6 years was a nobody - -in a nobody league.

Is Kansas a traditionally rich hotbed for D-1 recruits? - -Is there ANYTHING to gain from KU playing these guys if not advantage for recruitment? - Just so we can pasify the Shocker fans maybe - -oh were playing KU? - - we play places were we can be seen by other big time recruits - National exposure - -there is not any NATIONAL exposure to Wichita State -there is absolutely nothing to gain from playing these guys period. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HighEliteMajor said:

Puzzled is me.

If we play WSU it would not be significant nationally? But what game IS "significant." That's all relative. So relatively speaking, yes, it would be a battle of top 10 teams if done now, in the non-con. ESPN leads with the NBA anyway. The Duke/UNC rivalry as comparison is silly. That's a different animal. I do find it interesting that WSU reached the FF before Gonzaga. Just an observation.

There are time when folks argue points that are so ridiculously wrong and lacking of logic that it's nothing more than an irritation to respond.

If you go to ESPN, you can see the final rankings (USA Today) for WSU since 2012, starting with 2012 - 27, 4, 7, 11, 26, and 21. They are now ranked 6th. Since 2000, 17+ season, WSU has won 68.2% of their games. Since Marshall came in 2007, it's 74.3% of their games.

The only Big 12 team sniffing the winning percentage over that period of time is West Virginia (appx. 65%), acknowledging that WVU was in a better conference during that period.

The resistance to playing WSU, who kicked our a** in the 2015 NCAA tourney -- meaning dominated us -- is just laughable.

my suggestion to you if you think people response is so bad no more then an irritation then the solution is simple - - - DON'T RESPOND end of story - solves that problem.

So we haven't won over 68.2% of our games since 2000? - - we haven't won 74% of our games since 2007? I doubt that. - -thanks for the input - -oh ya you don't need to respond don't want to irritate you, my response is pretty ridiculous. - -lmao thanks anyways - -don't wanna waste your time - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Big-Clyde52 Once again I've been reading that we should be hearing something on Billy within the next week hopefully - -same for De-Sousa. - -If it turns out favorably what a HUGE boost it will mean to have Preston - - De-Sousa & Cunliffe and then plus extra spot back up with Sosinski - -what a difference that would make.

Just getting so tired of hearing nothing, let's get this done damn. I'm a man of little patience lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well Parrish may have I guess SOME reason for what he did, BUT Joe Lundardi explains why he kept Ku as a # 1 seed, saying all it did was drop KU from being the overall # 2 seed to # 4

What he says makes sense to me, stating that almost all the other teams behind KU also lost games:

Norte Dame? - nope can't move then above KU - -they lost on their home floor to Ball State where they were given a 93% chance of Winning

Florida ? - - Hell no lost twice on their home floor with one of those being to Loyola of Chicago and they only averaged like 62.5 in these games.

Texas A&M lost - plus others he named I forgot to write them all down.

Parish writes he punishes other teams for bad losses - -great so be it. - But umm 24th for one loss?- -he been hitting the pipe a little to hard. You put five other Big 12 teams ABOVE KU - -MAN this in it'self ought to serve as all the motivation they need - -that's if they needed any. - -Really makes me anxious for these games/teams he placed above us in our league.

Maybe we ought to invite old Larry down to the phog and watch one of our games in person - -I'm sure he will be treated very warmly. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KUSTEVE Hell ya - - maybe we could have a pie eating contest too and a dunk tank - -Maybe get Marsha to sit on the stool in the tank - -that would be fun - OR OR OR maybe have his wife sit there - - wait we would have to pull her away from the beer chugging contest 1st lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KUSTEVE I'ma tellin ya - -you better stop where in the hell is granny when you need her lmao. - -How about this maybe - -maybe we could at half time of the game at the fair - -maybe we could have a butter churnin contest - maybe a greased pig contest that would draw National TV interest too right? lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

@drgnslayr Highly unlikely it would be that big of a deal nationally for us to play WSU. Their media market is microscopic compared to most. I seldom see WSU gear outside of Wichita, I’ve seen KU fans in several different states. KU is in the top 25 most years of merchandise sales, never seen WSU in the top 50. The god honest truth is WSU just plays harder than we do night in and out. We don’t play with a chip on our shoulders, we are already a big deal. Look as Wednesday as a prime example, Self even said himself they played harder and out hustled us. When we lose in Manhattan it’s because they play harder, they ain’t as talented as us they just care more. To be honest it drives me nuts when I see our guys lazily play. The trouble is that they are good enough to play shitty and win half of their games. @jaybate-1-0 If Nike was that important to be successful im CBB we would be Nike still, trust me. We were NIke for Roy’s time and didn’t have the success we’ve had under Adidas and Self. I highly Doubt Nike cares about the Midwest as much as you think they do. The rest of the nation really doesn’t care about Kansas in anything. WSU is a tiny tiny media market team highly doubt Nike puts all their resources to work for WSU. Not to mention they don’t have the big money maker in football.

Exactly - - that's exactly it. - -Outside of the local region this would be microscopic to others. -People here trying to talk about how KU dominating the so called quote " lil 10 " - and how we should - WSU is exactly the same way - hell if they anything - -anything at all then they should of dominated that dumpster fire of a so called league they played in up until this year. The Missouri Valley. Again ya the LAST 5-6 years they have come on a little bit to the National scene , does that automatically make then a blue blood some macho National powerhouse? - I'm not thinking so.

You tell me if KU was to play WSU on a night - now on a National scale between the two - KU/WSU - or Duke/N Carolina playing on the same night Nationally who do you think the majority of a national Tv audience where do you think the majority of the TV sets would be focused on? - Sure in the hell not KU/WSU - -it just isn't as big as National draw interest as the Duke/n Carolina - not even close. -sure there would be interest in the state - but National? - - umm nope. WSU is not National prominence now- their good for the present, Still is seen to be proven over an extended time

Let's see how Marsha and the boy fare when they match up with some real competition in their league THIS year, umm they not favored to win the league this year, - waitin to see them play Cincinnati, her people say WSU plays with a chip - claiming how physical they are - -ya ok, you wanna see physical? - wait until one of the Cincinnati players lays one of those picks on Connor you want physical - -Cincinnati is physical -they not going to play bad as now that the league is a step up. Couldn't agree more with what kjayhawk said. - -But like has been said there are some that wanna wine sniffle moan bitch -- oh KU won't play us that's not fair, - Like Steve said lets just sit up a court at the State fair let them play.

People want rip THIS years Non Con how its way to soft, You tell me how many times ha this happened? - KU has nothing to apologize for about scheduling - These same people bitch other years about the schedule being to hard - KU 9-10 plays one of the hardest Non Con schedules in the land. - But no this year when it is softer - all we hear is people is how we play no one how it is so soft and we are afraid to play people - get the hell out of here with that crap. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

Seems like some folks living in KU territory always want to set up County Fair championships. We're a world wide brand- we're not some yokums looking to win the tractor pull. Ok, your "friend" is a Shlocker fan...just agree with everything they say, nod your head, and wait until the next time they lose, and then nail them to the wall, and make them eat every word of it. Geez, what's next ... are we going to play the state juco champ in the Hutch tournament?

Now dad gummit it Jethro, you play nice or I'm going to have to get Granny and she give you an good old country fashion whuppin - and you'll get no viddles. - -LOl - -good point my friend - hell we might as well just play both of them WSU & Mizzery both make it a clean sweep and kick both there ass. how about that - -shut these people up. - -we have nothing to gain from playing these guys - they have only become some National prominence in the last 5-6 years and to say the are the Gonzaga of the Midwest? - -All I can say to that is - - psssssssssssssssssssssssssssst - -please. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

mayjay said:

@chriz His article gives a coherent explanation. I don'tagree with him, but I understand it.

Considering how dismayed some people here felt about our team after the Washington game, I am shocked people are shocked. I am interested in something else--Parrish has 5 B12 teams above us.

I understand what your saying about people being dismayed after the game I mean I included was one that just didn't see this coming - not like the way it panned out anyways , just a total collapse in every phase of the game.

Having said that there is no way in hell that a team will - -should - -or could drop from 2nd to 24th no mater where it is, who they play, or how bad a team plays.

It took 3 losses for Arizona to drop from 2nd to out of the rankings. -2nd to 24th for `1 loss there is no way in hell that will happen. - Sounds like this guy has no business even being able to cast a vote - that's IF he does. - -Obviously he has no actual knowledge of the game of College Basketball.

This is just another example of that a team has to come prepared for every game - -night in - - night out. - -Just because a wire service/Coaches show they think you are the 2nd best team in the nation doesn't give any team KU included a automatic pass for the game - -an automatic win - -these other teams are not just going to lay down and just say OK tell us what the score should be - -you win.

You already know this and I'm sure everyone here already knows this but When tams get the chance to play one of the premier Blue bloods of College /Basketball they are going to be jacked up. and as we know when your jersey has the name Kansas written across it - that really fires them up like I have said before for a lot of these teams playing KU IS their NCAA National Championship game.

This game was just a scenario where all these factors played a part. - -It was a matter of KU not coming ready to play, not executing in any single phase of the game - and the other Washington wanting to make a statement and showing that they can play with the elite teams. - But for a guy to drop a team from 2nd to 24th is just fricken idiocy - -you know it - -I know it - -anyone that IS anyone knows it.

What I'm seeing come Monday when the rankings come out I'm looking at possibly 6-7 at the lowest. now to a lot depend on the outcome of Sundays game - we play like crap AGAIN at Allen on Sunday and lose to Arizona State then ya we will drop a lot further probably middle teens lower teens even possibly but for this - -NO way. -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

nuleafjhawk said:

I LOVE to run. I run from the couch to the fridge, the fridge back to the couch and the couch to the restroom. It gives me enough energy to get up and go back to the fridge when i'm done.

Lol , mercy I wish I could get up the energy to have the routine that you have lol, your quite the fitness freak props to you lol. what gives you your inspiration lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Kcmatt7 said:

@jayballer54 The biggest problem with having guys like Frank is that it teaches the other guys to lay back. It doesn't let them develop that killer instinct...

That is one thing that our KU teams have lacked in several years - that killer instinct. - -I remember countless times we would have teams on the ropes up 16- 20 points only to what seemed to let the other come back and making it a real contest where they had no business of doing - because of that lack of killer instinct. - Had the typical foot on the throat just to let off ease up on the gas.

So again do we even have an ALPHA? sure not Doke, Not Vick - - Not SVI - - Newman? - - Nope.- -I think probably the best chance WOULD be Devonte and that's not saying a lot. - -whatcha think? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Kcmatt7 Wanted to respond to two things you said, Which I agree on both. - -The 1st , I stated multiple times in other places like you expressed , La Gerald I feel and you could almost see like has been stated he had chance for shot, after shot, after shot - which he took, then as has been said I think he honestly started to feel like he shouldn't be taking so many - which in turn if you noticed , look like he started making short hesitations in his shot - -almost short arming the shot, no fluid follow through - almost rather a shot put action. As hard is it to believe I truly think he was thinking MORE about should I shoot this , I really need to get my team mates more involved, I don't want them to think it is a black hole when they throw it in to me. He like you said NOT an Alpha - an Alpha would not give it a 2nd thought. - You put these things together I fully believe caused him to miss a couple of the shots that he took, Still shot like 63 % 12-19 in the lane. - 19 shots in the lane is a lot of shots so ya I agree.

2nd - like you we DO NOT have an Alpha - -A leader , that guy that wants the ball in crunch time - like Frank did last year - or Josh did. Do we have such a person? -I thought I was Devonte, but maybe not so much, for one Devonte isn't that slash type player - he just doesn't get to the rim play through contact - -again like Frank. - -Devonte is more of a spot of jump shooter, Can he get his own shot? - -I don't know. - I know he can knock down open shots, but create his own shot off the bounce - -penetration - -not sure. - -Who is our Alpha? - -Who COULD BE our alpha? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

JayHawkFanToo said:

@HighEliteMajor

By now, I believe most Chiefs fans feel the same way.

I sure hope that they would. - It's just that their last game was just the straw that broke the Camel's back. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well looks like for sure UCLA has been able to wash there hands of the Ball circus for good. - -Steve Alford doing hands stands. - Fran says Steve has been partying for three days lol, hasn't come back yet.

As you know Daddy pulled Li Angelo but La Melo was verbally commited to going there. WELL looks like that isn't happening now. The Ball brothers - -both have signed with an Agent - -Harrison Gaines - - -So much for College ball for either one of them now. - -un Believable.

A guy from zags blog did some interviews with a half dozen or so NBA agents to gauge market for the brothers might be overseas. It goes as follows:

Agent # 1 : No it's about winning. - -Seems pretty pain to the point

Agent # 2: I'm sure more for marketing purposes then on the court though. Some mid level team somewhere maybe like Israel D-2

Agent # 3 : Their combined Value is roughly zero dollars. But I bet some low level team signs them for publicity. It will last a month or two at most.

Agent # 4 : Definitely because of publicity. I would think they are going to get offers in a lot of different markets they'll probably pick somewhere there has a lot of growth opportunity for the big baller brand. That is the biggest upside of the whole package thing.

Agent # v5 ; LOL " probably not "

Agent # 6 ; I would say probably no. People don't understand Europe. It's no joke. They MAY get signed as a courtesy but it won't last.

Agent # 7 : La Melo yes. Gelo is a md major combo forward not a real pro at any level. G league overseas included. He MIGHT get on an overseas team because of the youngest one it would have to be a team looking for publicity.

The head Coach of one of the overseas stated when he found they were available: - -the Lietkabelis head Coach said: " We have an opening at the Security staff. Since they have had an experience in the field " - -LMAO.

Another stated: - There is NO market for them in Europe unless someone wants to bring the Circus to town - - Again - - LMAO.

Wonder how Daddy is feeling now that he has stripped Li Angelo of a free education ? - All expenses paid - -well except for the shoplifting. - -UCLA wouldn't pay for that mess.

Made sure La-Melo can't play at any college - -what a mess. - -GOOD LUCK - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

just kindly remind Marsha snuggle bunnies that they had to bust their as after trailing for 3/4 of the game they had to pull one out their ass just to beat a South Dakota St team by ten that we clobbered by 34 - everyone ha of games least ways we didn't come close to get our butts beat by some directional School - -SOUTH Dakota St? - -by the end of their conference season they will probably be whimpering wanting to go back to the mizzery Valley.

They wanting to talk like some lil Billy bad ass wanna be? - - - Waitin till they match up against Cincinnati - you talk physical - -Little Conner will be checkin to see if he has all his teeth left after one of their picks - -Come back and check with us when you relevant . - -We have played in probably three-four - - maybe even five times as many Big time games opponents then they have in the history of their School - -> Just because you have come on in like the last 5-6 years doesn't hold a sprinkle in this dyke. - Hold long has KU been relevant ? - - that's what I though & have a great night - -that's is what I'd be telling them. - -LIKE I ALWAYS SAY - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@JayHawkFanToo I went back and re-read your post - - it sunk in FINALLY lol - -told you I'm old - -I see what you were saying now . ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jayballer54

I think you missed the gist of my post.

probably - - -I'm old lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Lulufulu said:

I was browsing the box scores of the NBA games last night. Saw that the Cavs beat the Kings. Checked the box score and Franks line was impressive yet again. There was a clip playing of the highlights. One showed Frank drilling a mid range 2 pointer in Lebron James' face after he switched onto Frank after a screen. Lebrons reaction after the made shot was fabulous.

Frank proving he is a badass.

It truly was a thing of beauty.
Frank is living proof of what hard work and dedication will do for you. Given a chance he is showing that he truly does belong in the NBA in some capacity for sure. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jayballer54

Washington basically told KU we will let you have all the points you can get in the paint but nothing from the outside. 28 points from the paint will not do it when nothing else is going.

Agreed I just feel LaGerald did his part. The others didn't. when they DID get the opportunity - -they did nothing, they stood they look lost, where was the leader? - the take charge guy? The guy that wants the ball in these types of situations? - -28 from one player is plenty, the others have to take responsibility and step up, he kicked the ball out enough but they did nothing with it AFTER he made the pas that was needed. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HawkChamp said:

@wissox of course I am bigger and stronger, but to me that is no excuse for not being able to hit a ten foot jumper with 60 or 70% accuracy. Time in the gym is the remedy for inaccuracy.

Well guess your not talking about La Gerald then when you say not being able to hit the jumper in the lane. - -12-19 in the lane you said no excuse for not being able to hit that at 60-70 % - well looks like this equates out to right about 63% - even a tad bit higher so he meets your expectations there. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@wissox Agreed. - - people are complaining Vick didn't make Washington pay enough for being in the lane. - like you posted - he made 12-19 shots - -all 12 shots made were inside the lane - -equals 24 points, that's pretty good production inside the lane. Wouldn't matter what type of Defense they ran - that's really good production from that area - and when they challenged in the beginning of the game - -he did exactly what should of been done he dropped off to Doke for the flush right out of the gate.

Vick was not the reason we lost this game. - We need to look on THE OTHER end of the floor dealing with our or our lack of defensive effort - there is more the reason why we lost the game. - Are lack of getting 2nd chance opportunities on our offensive end - -them GETTING multiple 2nd chance opportunities - we just got out hustled - -flat out played in every concept of the game last night. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

justanotherfan said:

I missed most of last night's game, but last night was a night where a player with Preston's skill set would have made a difference. His size and ability to score from inside and in the middle would have made him an idea guy in the middle of that zone.

If Preston is available, this KU team is much more complete than the current version.

So Preston would of made the difference? - - I say he would of helped , but helped more then Vick did playing the middle? - Would he made more then the 26 points of difference then Vick made? - -I don't think so. - -It's not that Vick didn't kick it out, didn't matter, cause it was the OTHERS that didn't get the job done after or when they had the opportunity, - -Doke was non existent. - -Newman was a no show for the 2nd game in a row. - -Devonte showed nothing - if very little. - -The thing about Vick like I mentioned before, he made the decision at 1st they come to cover, he dropped the OOOP to Doke for the slam, later they backed off, he became hesitant NOT all the time but it was like he became a little sensitive and concerned it seemed like he was afraid of not sharing the ball and shooting everytime - -But that's what Washington was giving us - The little lane jumper. - -I don't think Billy would of made that much more of difference on the offensive end. - -Wouldn't matter if it was Vick OR Billy on the passing either - -Washington still going to contest the 3 no matter who was making the pass

Thing is though this game I don't believe was actually lost on the offensive end, come the end of the day I think it was lost on the defensive end Washington pretty much got what they wanted anytime they wanted, the guys just seemed very uninspired almost like they didn't want to even be there. a step slow with the foot work, reaching, getting beat on the glass, giving up lose balls everything - Not a good scenario. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

3genhawk said:

I start looking at rankings in mid January when you start to get an idea what the team is. I hope we're a top 10 team in febuary.

How can you rank the team now when you don't know who is on it.

This is ONE of the reasons I said rankings aren't really worth a tinkers damn during the regular season. - - Bottom line at the end of the year the only thing people really remember is who won the NCAA Tourney. - -If you were to ask or take a poll of people who was # 1 - - # 7 - or whatever during the season in January Feburary whatever - -9-10 people won't be able to tell you that. - But they will be able to tell you who the Champ was. The rankings are for the fans to beat their chest - -oh look were # 1 in the country, - -to which you respond - - -AND? - - what does that get you? - you get any kind of trophy for being # 1 in the regular season? - - -no

But I was just curious - -since they DO rank the teams during the season - that's why I am asking , where people think we really should be placed right now. - To which I say right now as of today - -probably 5-6-7th. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@dylans Ya, that's what I'm thinking too. If we don't get the added depth on the inside , come March if we were to match up with Duke or any other quality team with talented big's I'm afraid we are in real trouble - - -I'm afraid actually by the time March rolls around if we were to match up against even Kentucky again might be a different story. - -We just struggle against length. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ok let me ask this question. - - KU before last night was Ranked # 2 in the Nation. I know that rankings actually mean nothing or not much really during the course of the season , other then for fans thumping their chests. It's at the end in March is really the only time it really counts - - -BUT since they are there , let me ask

Where do you all feel we REALLY should be ranked at this point of the Season? - -Do you think we are legit at # 2 - please be honest, and open without the Crimson and Blue Blinders.

My take I feel like we should probably be sitting at like # 5 - 6. - -I read where we had like the 3rd best odds of winning it all in March at like 6/1 odds - behind Duke & Michigan State. - -Where do you feel we will end our Season? - -Do you see us in the Championship Game?

At this point - - I don't - Why? - - Depth. - -Big depth. -Right now I'm looking at it more like ousted again right about the elite 8 - - again

Another question -Who thinks Doke is going to declare for the NBA next year? - Do you think he is a 1st round pick? - -Again I don't believe he is at this point. Our boy has no offense other then a dunk, a little slow of foot, still very raw. - -Does he come back? - Kind of makes you wonder what Coach Self sales pitch o De-Sousa -McCormack was when recruited them - -Was he telling them Doke was going to be gone? -If he comes back what's and how is that going to effect Scholi's? - -How if any if he came back how would that effect De-Sousa & McCormick's role next year? - -questions to which I'm not sure I know the answers. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 Much tougher test - - Much much tougher. - - ROCK CAHLK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Bottom line with this team is - - We just plain out really struggle when we play against length.

This was the 3rd game going up against length. - - We played Kentucky - struggles really struggles knocking down shots, - -against Syracuse we struggled for a big part of the game - - -Last night total collapse - -struggle not only finding the 3 - - -but hitting any kind of outside shot.

Were gonna face this again with Baylor length, we are going to have to get this fixed and fixed fast. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

Same Song and Dance every time we lose. Missed shots, lack of effort on defense. They need to pull a 180 for Sunday that's for sure

I'm telling you agree for sure, if we play like this Sunday we will get run out of the gym - -Arizona State is legit - -very legit ranked # 16 I'm still just at a loss for what I watched last night, just a total collapse. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ya know I went to bed last night , had this dream/nightmare that we had got our butt's handed to us on a platter against Washing ton last night. - -Then realized this morning it wasn't a nightmare - - -it is reality.

We really did get our ass handed to us on a platter. - - There was not one good thing that came out of that game last night. - There was no positives to come out of this game. What did come out of this game was at least last night the lack of that leader - that guy that wanted to step up and take control/charge of that game, leadership.

Devonte let's face it , he is just not a slasher, a guy that is going to get to the rim. Malik - - -WOW not sure what to say about Malik. He has been a no show these last two games, non exsistent. He has got to step his game up, we need this guy.

Vick was at least showing something/ a little production. - But when us guys were talking on slack last night we had some on that said Vick was a black hole, you know like we kicked it in but it never came back out putting up crazy shots. - -I had to will disagree with that. That option is what Washington was giving us , they were giving up the middle as it was stated during the game, as Washington decided they had to give up something - -because they were not going to give up the 3. - -Every 3 was going to be contested, which they did. - If anything LaGerald I think became so self conscientious of so many shots he began to become sensitive about so many, wanting to rather kick it out then shoot, - made him hesitate - like almost shot put some of us shots - -short arming his shots at the rim -LaGerald was no more to blame then any of the others for sure.

Just makes me wonder that in the future , how many other teams are going to try and run some kind of zone at us? - Teams that like Syracuse & Washington extend the front of that zone out, take away the 3? - -Glaring weakness last Night. You don't think other Coaches are going to look at that Game film and take notice?

We were talking on Slack last night, some were saying calling us negative nellies, to that I respond uhhh no negative Nellie - just calling it like it was/is - -It is called REALITY. - plain and simple, we played ugly, uninspired ball. - to the individuals that said there were people who was that so called Negative Nellies please give me an example where we didn't get beat in this game last night?

How many offensive rebounds did we get? - -multiple shots? -- How many loose ball scrums did we win? - - Who won the turnover margin? - - Who shot more free throws? - -How many multiple shots did Washington get? - -Who was it that had his way on the inside making our Big guys look silly? - -How many times did the guys just plain did not slide/move their feet? - -How many times did our perimeter guys get beat on drives? -It is REALITY sorry, it is what it is. - The guys just played very uninspired ball, several on slack noticed it - -saying at times they acted like they didn't even want to be there.

Fran ya I know it's Fran but he stated Doke was being careful in the 2nd half not to pick up that 3rd foul. - Well let me say IF that was the case - -then I don't give a rats ass have a seat. - If you are so tentative playing soft so you don't pick up that 3rd foul and Fran was mentioning this in the middle of the 2nd half - -Doke had 2 fouls - -did he EVER pick up his 3rd? - - - - Bottom line IF that was his thinking - which really I don't think that was but IF he indeed was then get him out, he is doing us no good if that's the case.

People say well we always have one of these games a year, well don't we think it's about time to correct this? - -Sure just didn't see this coming, some said we needed Billy. - You really think Billy would of made that difference last night? - -I sure don't I think the blame goes to the entire team, lot of reaching on defense I could go on and on - but I'm telling ya - -we got exposed big time last night and it was a glaring weakness, lets hope we have no repeats. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer54 Look, man. I've drank the Cunliffe Kool-aid. I'm all in with this guy. Defensive stopper ... steal extra possessions ... very good shooter ....a real athlete... at least that's what Devonte said. If Newman starts having one of his "Hello, Newman" nights, give this guy some court time.

If you get a chance buddy - got a little extra time , just watch these Sam I Am episodes off you tube. - -I'm telling ya this kid is one dedicated dude. - -Works his ass off- & I'm sure all the guys do but just saying this kid - and he seems so down to earth - I mean ya you know younger generation like their rap and -and what have ya.

But ya with or ads time goes along - this kid is going to be really good defensively I think - some other guys that played against hi mentioned as much - -Loves his mama - say she is his rock - -his inspiration - -& I think dad kept him motivated close knit family.

Watching this today really got into it - -love his work ethic. - He is going to be fine - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jaybate 1.0 said:

@jayballer54

Way to bring it. I’ve had a good feeling about Sam, but I needed some reinforcement.

True he struggles with his shooting in our trip over land earlier, But I feel when in gets in that routine - a groove he is going to be fine - -not saying he is going to be some mega scorer - he isn't going to be starter - but what I think he will be during conference will be a solid relief - and come tourney could be just one more valuable piece for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HighEliteMajor said:

In Cunliffe's games at ASU, his PER was 10.0. Really bad. Small sample size (10 games). But not a good player in that stretch.

I think he is going to be just fine, not talking as a starter but will for sure be a quality back up. - -Just going to take some game time. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Careful you said:

Thanks for the update. I'll check it out.

Ya actually it was pretty cool. - almost made it feel like I knew him as a person a little better too. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Devon scored 23 for his teams 1st game over in China, did pretty well even though they lost - played the same organization they said that got into the brawl with George town in 2011 - - Bayi Rockers , still had a pretty decent game. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well, just got through watching some very interesting video's about Sam Cunliffe. - Have to say I was impressed. Gave some insight about Sam - -and there is three of them each one about 30 minutes long.

The 1st one called: Sam I am ( the process )- - very well done - -very well done. - Shows the training he goes through, his everyday regiment - -workouts and such. I know some here don't think he will amount to much - -I'm not here to say either he will -or he won't BUT I tell you this kid is a worker - -really dedicated. - -His dad you can tell really worked him. Dad's name is Mike love a couple of his quotes - his dad says to Sam " - Don't fall in love with the mirror, Fall in love with the process " - Through these video's you can tell Sam is really dedicated to becoming better every day. - Shows his workouts - -his trainer Jeff Harris - this guy knows his stuff I'm telling you. mercy the things they go through. - -

After watching these I'm withholding judgement see how he turns out. - Is he a stud on the floor maybe no mega stud - BUT think he will for sure help. Kid is very family oriented -Respects GOD, really good sense of humor - -just seems like a very personable kid. - Not going to just automatically say he isn't much. - The kid has some skills that's for sure as shown in these. - Think I'll just sit back and see how it shakes out for him. - Love his confidence - he says "You got to think your filthy - - to be filthy, - you have to work to be filthy nothing is given "

Episode 2 - Seattle Mode isn't as much about his on the court, but just more about him - -his family and Friends and trainer Jeff still very interesting watch. - -Again very family oriented - has 8 little sisters - -and his Mom - -the kid for sure loves his mom Michelle - and his mom - - sorry but - -all I can say umm WOW lol.

Then Sam I am Episode 3 - - The transition more back to the court and workout regiment working with Jeff. - -lots of work. After watching these just make me realize I need to sit back give him some time to shake off the rust of being out for the transfer, I just think in the end run - this kid is going to surprise some people - -endless worker - seems like a really great kid.

You get the chance I would highly recommend watching the Video or all 3 of them - -I did, called - Sam I am off you tube - -but for sure you need to watch the 1st one you won't be sorry, just watching all the things he goes through with his training - -takes a lot of work very impressed. - -the 1st one is Sam I am ( the Process ) just check it out when you have time sometime I'm glad I did. - I think we got a good one here in more ways then one. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Gorilla72 said:

Despite what HCBS said, I’d love to see Sosinski on the court for a bit.

I think that when it is all said and done, we will be seeing him on the court sooner then later. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Gametime I'm ready.: - -OH YA can you feel it?

It's Basketball Baby, - -It's Jayhawk Basketball. - -Jayhawk Nation. - -
Play as one - - -Breathe as one - - win as one - - We are one. All wanna be's welcome - - Come one - -come all - -let's do this. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@kjayhawks Daddy LaVar said that his boys don't need High School OR College, gonna home School LeMelo - -and LiAngelo just going to train him for the NBA.

You are so right. - Li Angelo it has been said is not even a prospect for the NBA. - maybe he can play ball in China. - Like some others making light of it said - -China would be a good place for him to play -I mean he already leads in steals lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@justanotherfan I reckon since with me being right here in Topeka - -I ought to go Check him out. - -We used to have some real battles with them in football and Basketball - maybe I need to put that on my list of things to do lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 I'm not really sure how others feel 100% BUT me myself , I really want Robinson Earl. - -To me from the high lights I've seen he looks pretty aggressive , I like that - -I want that - -aggressive guys. - just like his game.

So here I say that as of this moment , I'm now starting my campaign for Robinson earl like I did with Devon. - - I'm gonna say this even though SOME started giving me hell about calling Devon my boy ( we gotta squelch that ) - -But here again Robinson earl is my personal goal , for 2019 - - my boy. So as of today mark it down yes I'm sayin He for sure will land here. - -Yes the CB ha him 100% KU - -But it also had my other boy Devon -100% for KU for the longest time then came some drama - -but not to worry He will be here lol. - -

So let it be written - - So let it be done. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer54 @JayHawkFanToo Im just saying you never know what’s true. These guys could very well be guilty. As for the church of Scientology idk anything about that stuff. I just feel like as of right now and the current culture folks seem to be guilty and must be proven innocent. All I say is if some accuses you of such should you lose your job and have your life ruined?

No way that should happen. - -You know I've read and watched about to many times where some guy has spent years in prison - I mean years and years and then you hear that they were innocent and get released for a crime he didn't commit.

Thing is true they release him , BUT how does the legal system give him those years back that was taken away from him for something he didn't do? - Plus even though they were found innocent in the end - -there are some that still will look at them and the whispers - -the glances/stares - will STILL be there, basically the system got it wrong and has cost an individual his life - -things will never be the same.

I personal know of a young woman who went to her parents all upset crying, they asked her what was wrong and she told them she had been Raped by this guy she had went out on a date with. - -So they asked her - -now your sure, your telling us the truth as she had had a history of making things up- -but she just kept saying he had Raped her. - So they took her to Law enforcement Office- she goes back talks to the detective and after an hour the detective comes out and asks the parents to come back. - -They get back to the office and the detective says that the Daughter had finally admitted to the detective that indeed the guy HAD NOT actually raped her. - She was just upset that they had sex and that she wanted a relationship with the guy and he did not want the relationship

She could of ruined this guys life. - Lucky for him they didn't bring him in - What is wrong with some people. - -These guys that are falsely charged - -they get locked up for things they haven't done - -they just lose that time in their lives, - Cause when your in Prison you fail to exhist - -you are dead to Society. - Believe that.

So ya I agree with you 100% - but like I was saying it's just a sad thing that this has to come up - not saying he is guilty - -or he is innocent - hope he is innocent. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 I've checked and it looks like Harvey is dropping in the rankings - -I think he has dropped to 34th now or lower possibly, being a Kansas kid would be cool if he could make it - -just not sure in the end run of Coach ends up making him a priority or like you say more then likely goes after the bigger fish, unless He steps it up a notch. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

Let’s not jump gun, people are forgetting in all of these rape accusations, innocent til proven guilty. People forget that there have numerous women(not saying all women are making up stories and making excuses for unexceptionable behavior bye males) that have lied in such cases. Saw today that Danny Masterson was fired from Netflix because of unproven accusations and if some of these stories are proven false against these guys there will be a massive law suit vs there employers. I had a friend that was falsely accused of rape and the gal that later admitted she fabricated the story got in no trouble whatsoever. I believe false accusations should receive full penalties of the crime they lied about.

Not really sure who your speaking to when you say let's not jump the gun. - -I by far nowhere in what I posted was saying that he was guilty - -I'm not jumping anything. - I simply said what was announced - -nothing about this kids presumed guilt IF he is. - -I have no idea. - Then I just said it was simply a sad situation, that something like this comes out - -sad anytime but when the guys are getting ready for the bowl game -not needing this kind of distraction.

But As for me - -not saying he is guilty at all - he is innocent til he goes through due process if it actually goes that far, then it is up to the system to decide. - - no skin of my butt, seeing as how I sure didn't make any false accusations. - So ya if anyone IS already saying he is guilty - -then shame - -shame - -shame on you. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jayballer54

It was an OK game but game of the year? No, not even close. Interesting, in the recap a ESPN lists Davis as having 21 points and 10 rebounds when he only had 2; Ayton had 10 rebounds.

Ya when space Captain Walton said that right at half time - - al I could do was laugh and shake my head, this guy - -hell he spent 3/4 of the game asking the play by play guy what his name was and some other just off the wall typical Bill Walton mish mash lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@JayHawkFanToo Some quality wins for the big 12 last night. Texas Tech beats # 22 in overtime after trialing pretty much the entire game. -West Virginia . Beats # 15 Virginia , & TCU beats a quality SMU - - nice wins for all. -- Texas tried to do everything it could to pee away all of it's 19 point lead they had in the 2nd half , but managed to hang on -- -on the road at VCU - -& K-State - - -Well , they scrimmaged last night. - -good night for the Big 12. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Texas Tech taking Nevada into overtime. - -Nevada ranked #22 in the Nation. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

I hate Ayton so much. The dude is a total freak show and would make KU a title team this year. Not sure anyone else is close.

Ya that is still a weird recruitment - -we supposedly in such good shape the entire way and then BAM - - Arizona? - - -Arizona - -where that come from still wonder about that whole deal.

Walton with the statement of the year - -Again - he says Best college game of the year lmao - this guy lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Damn - -Florida got their butt beat last night so they say - -got blasted by Florida St - -what's going on -what's in the water lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Gorilla72 said:

Watching Texas A&M vs Arizona. US Airways Center looks only half full for this game. Wow...

I'm glad we have A&M - in Lawrence - pretty solid - didn't realize they were ranked # 7 - -Man what would it been like if Ayton would of ended up coming to Ku - -he is huge - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Ball State beats Norte Dame tonight too crazy Night. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY