BShark said:
I don't think we have had a post player like Dedric in awhile. The combination of skill and length is tremendous.
I think his skill is really really good, our frontline is going to be so much better next year not the worries that we have this year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Supposedly Langford's dad doesn't want him playing with Shittu.
I think KU will be the best team of the three next year, mainly because of Dedric. I'm super high on Dedric.
YOU and me both. - - I'm probably over hyped about Dedric but sorry I can't help it - -I think he will really help a lot our frontline issues next year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Lulufulu said:
@REHawk Wow. Consider me impressed. Especially considering Steph Curry. I am actually doubting that stat for a bit.
Effing people on sports media talking about Trae being better than Steph as a freshmen. Sure, I'll buy into that. Barely. I haven't gone back to look at Steph's stats his first year but I bet they aren't as impressive. BUT, for people to say he will be a better pro is down right insane.
I am saying right now that Trae will not be a better pro than Steph. Nope. I just don't believe it. Soooo many things have to fall into place for that to happen. Its bonkers to suggest otherwise.
Some here may say, hey dude why so high on Curry?
I dunno. I just like the guy. I'm sure part of my feeling on this has to do with the fact that he had a pro game against KU and we still beat him in 08.
I'm with you, I would take Steph Curry 10 times out of 10 . - -Trae to me impressed me much more when we played Oklahoma then the way Trae played last night - -once again launching up low pct shoots, you can talk to me until your blue in the face - -any Coach who is a Coach will tell you that those ARE NOT high percentage and would much rather that you NOT shot that kind of a shot.
Now when we ( KU ) played Oklahoma - -I was very impressed with Trae - -he is an outstanding talent , but he was much better in every faucet of the game that night - -getting his team mates more involved - - - sweet passes - -higher quality shots yet not to many - -keeping everyone involved. - -I would much rather watch a player play that way then just come down - -get two - -thre dribbles past half court and launch -to me that's a very SELFISH play/player.
When he was doing that - -we all heard Jay Bilas - - Jay Williams - - Seth Greenburg - -other commentators - -all talk about his judgement - hell of a talent - - but even with his play of over 40 last night - -they still only won by 2 - -at home - -against Baylor - - -BAYLOR.
I think Oklahoma is playing on borrowed time --I no longer consider then as big of concern as West Virginia - - Texas Tech. - -ESPN has a pretty good article about the concerns of Oklahoma and Kentucky good read. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Coach always does really well of coming up with something, This time it was the zone , Weber said they didn't practice any against Zone defense. - This was Coach's surprise this time round - - SURPRISE - -well done. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
JayHawkFanToo said:
Mitch is no longer a liability but a solid contributor.
He fills in pretty nice - really good compliment player - like I said he does a lot of the dirty work. ALOT better shot blocker then I would of ever imagined also. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Gunman said:
Great post @Jayballer54
We've got to look after the little one's so they can carry on our forum and Rock Chalk!!
No doubt , we have to look out for the little curtain climbers. - -If we don't take care of the kids - -who will? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
DoubleDD said:
I once got the flu shot. I was sick all winter long. Never again.
Ya I know and my thoughts exactly - -I know might be stupid on my part - -especially as I get older but I don't ever take them - risking it but that's just me -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@Jayballer54 Talking about Mitch. Mitch had no points. Newman hard carried the team for a bit w/ his scoring.
Just a big win for us on the road , -- seems like this is one thing that seperates us from the rest of the league - we find ways to win on the road where others really struggle. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@Jayballer54 Agree. No points tonight but still impacted the game.
How about Malik? - -2nd half we really struggling for the first 6 minutes - then Malik drives and get's the and one - -he finishes the night 13 points & 10 rebounds , he has really come around these last 5 games. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@Jayballer54 Mitch LIKES taking charges I swear lol.
lol - -seems like it - -it's ok with me lol. - -just a guy that will do whatever he can to help - does a lot of the little things. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I've liked Mitch from the beginning , he does the dirty work. -- # blocks they said - - -5 rebounds - -and 2 big charges tonight. - -how many charges has he taken this year? - -I don't it is close between him and the 2nd best one to take a charge. - He just comes up with big plays at crucial times , gonna be a solid 4 year player for us type of players that we need to compliment the roster - -a lunch pail type of guy. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@BShark And that's why he will continue to not beat Kansas. He blames the officiating instead of focusing on correcting his team's actual problems. Not that I'm complaining. I hope Bruce stays there for 10 more years.
Wade killed us in the 1st half BUT what did he end up with in the 2nd? - -I don't think much. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Jayballer54 said:
StLJhawk said:
I'm sure it was the refs fault Liberace lost again
has to be the refs fault
The same refs that fouled up KU's players earlier forcing in Sam and De Sousa? Yeah, Bruce will blame them somehow. He will find a way.
Squeaky always does lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
So well that is 4 league road wins - -pretty good I would say - -Coach said if a team could get 4-5 on the road would be big need one more. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Going to zone was big , and once again Mitch comes up with some big timely plays takes 2 big charges- -4-5 rebounds - -and 4 blocks, can't ask for much more. - - MALIK - -10 rebounds. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
StLJhawk said:
I'm sure it was the refs fault Liberace lost again
has to be the refs fault
JayHawkFanToo said:
Jayballer54 said:
@JayHawkFanToo Thank you for addressing to me - -appreciated. - -not sure if you seen the others who are in agreeance with my feel my read but just felt the need to bring it to my attention - -appreciated. - you can talk to the wind all you want your not changing my views , as I'm seeing others the same - - you can talk till your blue in the face and if your gonna try and tell me that 2-3 more minutes over the entire game is gonna to destroy this team cost us games -I can bring you so many counter points about other members on this roster that would cost us the game with their preformances during the game it will make your head spin. - -I don't buy it for one split second that playing Silvio 2-3 more minutes in a game will cost us games you can take that somewhere else cause you trying to point him out for those 2-3 minutes - you best check the other 6 players and see what they did in a 2-3 minutes stretch that cost us games - -sell that theory somewhere else thanks - -'m not buying. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I simply addressed some specific points you brought up, repeatedly, but it it makes you feel better and not picked on, I would be happy to change my post and remove your name. :smile:
Why is it if a reply to one of your post stating my "OPINION" you get all out of shape? You state you "OPINION" all the the time including many with which I don't agree and I don't take it personally. This is a forum where we all exchange ideas and sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't...it is the nature of every sports forum.
You know after giving it a little bit of thought about what you said about how I get all out of shape? - -you know your probably right - imagine that me saying your right. I think for me, it's not so much that you disagree with me but the way you seem to come back at me, just me, I just have this feeling that you have had a burr up your ass with me from day one since I've been here - it's the way you come at me or so it seems to me anyways , so ya I probably get out of shape more then I should. Then I let all my logic go out the window - I shouldn't allow that to happen , but I'm going to say the things I feel like are valid and bottom line is - if people don't like them - just got to realize - -not my problem - -maybe it's because maybe I have more of some rebel in me - maybe that's why some have some did like for me here - -it's ok - maybe because I don't always try to sugar coat things on the way some things are done, I'm gonna call it like I see it - -it is what it is. - So ya your probably right, I guess maybe I rub you wrong - and then in turn you rub me wrong -- so be it. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Wouldn't it be really nice to see the guys come out and have a complete 40 minute game tonight instead of like what seems to happen this year? - -Have a solid 1st half - - have a solid 2nd half , would make it even more special considering it's K-State.
I know they are suppose to be rivals , and I suppose they are - - just kind of hard to have a rivalry when we have won 55 out of the last 60, as some others on different sites have stated.
We need this win - would be big , yet even bigger as being on the road. - - We all know , as I was listening to the local sports radio this afternoon - -WIBW - and geez these guys are just all bubbly - talking about how they really see K-State having a very good shot at the win , got me to thinking back when WIBW use to be the flagship station for K-State. - -I mean very true K-State does have a good chance , we all know what their place is going to be like tonight, we know they going to be giving Doke the business - -they STILL going to be giving SVI the business - WIBW people saying it will rival the phog as far as loudness for tonight's game , probably true , just kind of had to laugh - just seemed these guys were having a hard time containing their giggles thinking about the possibility of a K- State win without coming right out and saying they hope K-State won.
Would love to see KU come out and just be really sharp - think we need to focus on Doke more especially early - -can't settle for nothing but a bunch of three's - you can bet they are going to get sufficient calls against us - -more likely Doke will be in foul trouble early - whether legit or not - it's just the nature of the game - the refs being at K-State getting wrapped up by the noise making questionable calls - -let's just see how that plays out - -something to watch, just would be great if we could come out - put our foot on their throat from the get go - -if we can win in Morgantown - then we stick together - there isn't any reason we can't win in Manhattan. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
JayHawkFanToo said:
Jayballer54 said:
@JayHawkFanToo Thank you for addressing to me - -appreciated. - -not sure if you seen the others who are in agreeance with my feel my read but just felt the need to bring it to my attention - -appreciated. - you can talk to the wind all you want your not changing my views , as I'm seeing others the same - - you can talk till your blue in the face and if your gonna try and tell me that 2-3 more minutes over the entire game is gonna to destroy this team cost us games -I can bring you so many counter points about other members on this roster that would cost us the game with their preformances during the game it will make your head spin. - -I don't buy it for one split second that playing Silvio 2-3 more minutes in a game will cost us games you can take that somewhere else cause you trying to point him out for those 2-3 minutes - you best check the other 6 players and see what they did in a 2-3 minutes stretch that cost us games - -sell that theory somewhere else thanks - -'m not buying. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I simply addressed some specific points you brought up, repeatedly, but it it makes you feel better and not picked on, I would be happy to change my post and remove your name. :smile:
Why is it if a reply to one of your post stating my "OPINION" you get all out of shape? You state you "OPINION" all the the time including many with which I don't agree and I don't take it personally. This is a forum where we all exchange ideas and sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't...it is the nature of every sports forum.
I'm really glad that we don't agree on a lot of one another's post , ya I get out of shape - -and I love it - -especially with some one that is so quick to point it out as you - you are one of my favorites- - can you tell? - OH believe me I can exactly how you stand - - so good to have this forum, ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
JayHawkFanToo said:
Everybody except ~~@Jayballer54~~
Practice is where you learn to play the game and follow the playbook, game time is where you put that knowledge to practical use. Silvio is just starting to feel what playing with big boys is like and has not even began to grasp the play book.
Until he gets a basic understanding of those two and learns how to execute in real time he CANNOT be effective at game time. His stat line at OU, 1 minute, 3 TOs and 1 PF, that has to be a record. He looks like the proverbial deer in the headlights and he is constantly out of postilion and the team cannot run standard plays when he is in limiting its effectiveness. At this time, other than a couple of early minutes I just don't see him playing anymore than that. KU has won its conference games by a n average margin of 4 points, think about it...4 POINTS, the margin of error is razor thin and Silvio makes it thinner.
I really like Silvio and I think that down the road he will be a stud, but at this time he is more of a liability than an asset. This is not a knock on him, a few week ago he was playing with HS boys and now he is facing college basketball elite men; unfair to expect him to step in and contribute right away.
Preston would have been in the ideal position to contribute since he had the Summer and pre-season to prepare but obviously that was not meant to be. He would have been the perfect player to guard Wade,
THANK YOU - -you finally get it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@JayHawkFanToo Thank you for addressing to me - -appreciated. - -not sure if you seen the others who are in agreeance with my feel my read but just felt the need to bring it to my attention - -appreciated. - you can talk to the wind all you want your not changing my views , as I'm seeing others the same - - you can talk till your blue in the face and if your gonna try and tell me that 2-3 more minutes over the entire game is gonna to destroy this team cost us games -I can bring you so many counter points about other members on this roster that would cost us the game with their preformances during the game it will make your head spin. - -I don't buy it for one split second that playing Silvio 2-3 more minutes in a game will cost us games you can take that somewhere else cause you trying to point him out for those 2-3 minutes - you best check the other 6 players and see what they did in a 2-3 minutes stretch that cost us games - -sell that theory somewhere else thanks - -'m not buying. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@HighEliteMajor YA, I just feel in order to get better you have to play in game conditions to get better not practice - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
StLJhawk said:
@jaybate-1.0 "It kind of defeats the purpose of lengthening the bench with Silvio not to get him some work"
Bingo!!
Exactly , couldn't of said it any better. -the reason he re-classified in the 1st place was to try and help add depth to our roster - -people were all for that - -Coach was all for it, well our roster hasn't lengthened a lick -- Preston - -GONE - - -Walk on also came aboard to try and deepen roster for depth even in clean up time -- -not touching the floor - - Sam is non exhistant - never touching the floor - - -Silvio plays TWO minutes - that's lengthening the bench, he has to be able to see some time - again 4-5 minutes for an entire game - -you think we asking to moVe mountains - -I agree with you for sure. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY-
jaybate 1.0 said:
Barney said:
@jaybate-1.0 I think Mitch might get some '4' minutes as a better match-up for Wade.
First, I think you are right about the match up issue, but...
Question: do you want to play WVU again with Silvio having been cryo-iced for many games, or do you want to keep getting Silvio some game work against some bigs before Thuggy Bear goes to work on Azubuike?
I'm not sure I want to face WVU again with only Mitch having recent meaningful game experience. It kind of defeats the purpose of lengthening the bench with Silvio not to get him some work. Azubuike's fouling seems to spike, whenever we play physical opponents. If we played no more physical opponents on our schedule on the back 9, then I would be cool with icing Silvio and playing Mitch. But TCU and WVU are the looming Bougainville and New Britain in the path of our Solomons Campaign.
We need serious preparations for rugged terrain, beastly conditions, and smoldering volcanoes with broad shoulders.
Its not that I think Silvio can do much.
Its that I think he is going to have to do something.
And Helmet Hair coaches his guys to play physical, even when they aren't, so the Octagon of animal pathogen warfare Research is a good place to get him some more exposure to D1 grade combat, so long as desperate Wildcat researchers do not release bugs pathogens engineered to take out Jayhawks as their sole means of winning.
4 minutes is all I'm asking for here. :-)
I think TCU and WVU are going to really work Doke over. One, or maybe both games, Doke will quickly be fouled up.
Doke and Devonte, without credible backups, remain the Achilles Heels of the team.
We can't do more than Self has been doing for Devonte. Self is giving LaCobra and Malik a decent number to trips bringing the ball up each game, while betting the 14th Consecutive title run on Devonte for 40 mpg.
Silvio needs 4.
Exactly, but yet for some say that we play him four minutes is like throwing the game. - -Umm no throwing the game is more like leaving Doke in in a late game situation when it is in doubt and a Coach refuses to take him out after getting hacked intentional for the 2nd or third time - -that is more like throwing a game - -and being throwed by the Coach/- Playing De-Sousa for 2-3 more minutes on top of the two he has managed right now over the course of the entire game - - -the entire game , not a half is not throwing a game right? - 5 minutes of playing time for a game? - -come on - -how can a player grow with 2 minutes of floor time?
People trying to say practice is where he grows - don't come at me and try to say practice time compared to game time are close to the same -- not even close - -5 minutes of game time isn't going to decide a game from this guy - -but 2 minutes sure the hell isn't going to allow him any improvement in his game. I agree 100 % with you 4-5 minutes a game come on he needs this time. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yes my friends , there is nothing related to basketball or any sport as far as that goes with my topic here , that's why I posted here. Heads up my friends -- be safe, I want to post this , I want to do my part - -make my friends aware.
This flu epidemic is just getting totally out of control, and a lot of it is right here in the center of the US. - -In the last week alone in Texas , there has been 1200 deaths from the flu - -1200 ! ! ! !. in one week. I watched this off the world news, saying that this was TWICE the number of deaths for the rest of the entire flu season.
They said just recently a little 6 year old girl dies just hours after the peramedics said she would be ok. - -I care about each and everyone of the Bucketeer's - stay safe do what you have to do against this Flu, take those precaution, and please you have any young ones - -daughters - -sons - -granddaughters grand son's please let them know - -ask mom and dada if they have had their shot -we don't need this.
If your like me, my age wouldn't hurt either if you get your shot - now me? - -I'm the gambler , never have got the shot - the way I've always looked at it & I asked them too , I said aren't you giving me the flu when you inject me - & they said well yes - actually injecting the virus - for the sympthoms - - -So dumm ol me - -I stick with the theory well hell if I'm going have the sympthoms of the flu - -might a well have the flu. - -but that's me probably end up being the un doing of me - but not my friends - -just take care. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Jayballer54 said:
He said things that they look for are like - -how teams will guard other players, - -how the Coach reacts coming out of a timeout , plays that are set up and such.
Oh so the pick is KU. SHUT IT DOWN.
LOL
Man I think Michigan State could be in some real trouble, I think Izzo could even be in some real trouble -he really got grilled by a female reporter after the game yesterday. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
mayjay said:
@Jayballer54 No, he put the jinxeroo on Wade by talking about what a high percentage shooter he is at home!
Cool, hope it works for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jaybate 1.0 said:
Silvio will get 4 minutes!!!
you mean GOD can work miracles lol - - would be nice
just read the latest interview from Romeo's dad about his recruitment:
This came from a Indiana recruiting site ( Inside the hall) - -Tim Langford was ask about any update on Romeo recruitment. - He said that they were probably going to make a visit to Vanderbilt, probably won't see a game, just get down to the campus watch them practice because it was within their range.
He said as far as KU , we won't make it out there, We just pretty much watch them play on TV. -( BUT if you've been following his recruitment - -we already knew this ) - -Romeo has been here already.
He said things that they look for are like - -how teams will guard other players, - -how the Coach reacts coming out of a timeout , plays that are set up and such.
When asked about anything on announcement Romeo's dad said , he told Romeo when they had a game on ESPN that if Romeo had decided and wanted to announce that would be a good time - -he also mentioned it would be a really good time when Family and everyone was in Atlanta for the McDonalds All star game in March if he was ready that would be good with all the family being there , it kind of sounds like that Romeo's dad would really like to see him announce then possibly - but he said if not then they could still just wait until April.
He was asked - -they asked him they said about how much was real about Garland trying to talk to him about coming to Vanderbilt - -how Grimes talked to him about coming to KU - and then some Indiana player talking to him about Indiana and package deal?
He said wasn't sure about how often Garland talked to him - - But he did know that he communicates with Grimes because of the summer we had and that they had got close.
Said what they look at more though is who is coming back ( - -hmmmmm - -VICK ) Who is coming in ( - -hmmm , as mentioned before - - -Grimes ) - said they pretty much like all 3 Coaches & styles - That was the main part and really not about a package deal.
Kind of funny in the comments where Indiana fans giving their input about WELL KU is out cause Romeo not visiting lol - -he has already been here , or that KU was to far from home - -really sad - -I like our chances - -I really like our chances if Vick leaves. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@dylans And like I said I would do - - -WOW.
BeddieKU23 said:
Wade killed us in the first game being guarded by Svi. We have no other option unfortunately. I would put Marcus on him when he comes in though, longer arms and just a better defender.
Wade is shooting 53% from 3 at home, have to guard him closely outside.
Devonte has to snap out of this funk he's in. Missing way too many shots lately and I'm sure playing 40 minutes doesn't help. We usually play well in Manhattan. Have to survive the first 4
Geez , thank a lot my friend lol. - -I know you've heard mention a zillon times when you have a really good free throw shooter at the line , the announcers mention as much and then he promptly misses? - - Well you just put the ol Jinx - -er - roo on us by saying how well we normally play in Squeaks place lmao - -Thanks lol.
Ya would be nice to see Devonte come out and have a really big game - -solid - were going to need everyone one board. - What a perfect time for us to have a COMPLETE solid game instead of one good half and then a blah 2nd half - -or a blah 1st half and then a really good 2nd half -how about a complete game for a first this season? - -tonight would be really sweet for that to happen.
I was thinking the same thing also - probably Garrett would be the best shot we have to guard Wade - but to bad Garrett isn't better on the offensive end , kind of a liability - that's where we have to have SVI on the floor the majority of the time, he just has to player better D - his D has lacked a lot of the times , let's hope SVI can bring a better game defensively tonight.
dylans said:
Silvio is truly bad right now. There is no way to get him in the floor longer without throwing the game at this point. His seasoning is mostly for next year and hopefully, if we are lucky, spot minutes in March. Silvio has a big leg up on next year, but is so far behind this year I’m not sure he can be much help.
If you want to cry (I nearly did yesterday) go watch Billy Preston’s highlights from the pre-season games. He is exactly what’s missing from this years team to make it dominant.
if your trying to tell me by playing Silvio two-three more minutes for an entire game that we would be throwing the game? - -All I can say is WOW - -I'll just leave it at that. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KUSTEVE said:
@Jayballer54 I hear you, but then I watch Dook and Virginia, and I think the same thing about those two teams. And I watch Purdew, and I think the same thing. Nova looks better, but I don't see some unbeatable team. UNC ? No. Yes, we could get popped the first two rounds, or we could put together a nice run with this weak field this year. The three teams that looked the best in the SEC/B12 challenge other than us were Florida, Tenn, and Tucky, imo. And no one has any of those jokers on the national radar. So, it could wind up a good surprise like 2012 instead of a bad surprise like 2013.
Yes that's very true my friend , I agree this year I really do not see a truly dominate team. There isn't that one team that is head and shoulders above others. At the beginning of the year I would of said look out for Duke with Bagley , Carter & Tripper boy -but they have underachieved for sure, People talked about Michigan State , they haven't really done that much , - - Kentucky is decent - -but very young, they are getting better but they don't dominate, - -North Carolina? -- psssssssssssssssssst please , - -If I had to really was forced to pick one - I guess maybe - - -maybe Villanova - -Or even Purdue , but yet I wouldn't be betting the farm o those two.
There just isn't any one team - - so for sure I reckon it could go either way - this year is a crap shoot, good points my friend. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
What's Silvio supposed to do? He puts him out there for 2 minutes. That's what maybe 4-5 possessions. Either Self has to commit to letting him play through mistakes or its never going to work. Silvio is sped up and rightfully so. I'm sure he also has it in his head that any mistake gets him on the bench. With the way Mitch is playing we can afford to have Silvio going through this adjustment period.
After tonight we have 2 home games in a row, Oklahoma St would be a great game to just let him play without the fear of the quick hook. This next week could be crucial to his development
Thank you. you are exactly 1000000000 % right, this is a point I'm trying to make. - -Yet some think I'm trying to ask Coach to move the Earth , BUT even 5 minutes a game would be a big improvement then what's going on right now. - I just don't see how anyone would ever get comfortable when they only touch the floor for 2 minutes. - -Like you said at best that only amounts to 4-5 possessions for the game - -and that's dividing those between the offensive and defensive end.
Like you said and I felt Saturday would of been a perfect time to get him some needed game experience - -that game had zero effect on our season , and I don't need to hear anyone talking about how it would effect our NCAA seeding , we have seen in the past how well we play to our seedings - -so save that. - -He has just got to put him out there let him play, as we have heard before or at least I have - -a lot of my friend have mentioned in the past with previous players, right now Silvio in that little two minute time is thinking to much instead of just going out and do what he does best - - just play the game.
Hell in two minutes he is thinking - OK is this right -- is that right and then BAM back on the bench. - like you say at some point he has to let him play - so he makes a mistake - two mistakes - who on this team doesn't? - -Silvio has more reason - more excuse to make those then anyone else on this team - -some time Coach has just got to let him loose for some time - -Thank you again buddy I understand exactly where your coming from with this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Gunman said:
@Jayballer54 DG just like WVU exhausted and hard to finish layups and make threes. WVU has to play that way or lose because of little offense without turnovers.
KU has to rest Graham. I don't like anybody getting shock treatments to play. How is that legal?
I understand what your saying for sure. - - See this is where I really think Sam needs to come into play. - - No not Sam relieving Devonte but for those few minutes so Devonte can rest, let Sam come in and maybe play the 2 - -slide Malik over to the point for even just 2-3-4 minutes, not asking for the world -just get him a breather, I know Coach said he just really can't afford to have him off the floor - -and I understand perfectly as we do seem to struggle more when he is out , but have just got to find some way for him. Saturday was either his 3-4th straight game without a minute of rest - full 40 minutes, if we keep using him at this rate - come NCAA he will be shot, hope we can find some way. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@Jayballer54 If Silvio plays more than 4-5 minutes at this point, his inexperience will start hurting KU on the floor. That stretch he plays in the middle of the first half is maximizing his worth to KU at this point. Mitch is still the much better option at this point. Right now, it's all about getting Silvio acclimated to D1 ball which doesn't happen in a couple of weeks.
And yet again , do you hear me asking for anymore then that? Two minutes of playing time isn't what I'd say really burning a path to getting acclimated to D-1 ball. - -For some reason seems to me that you act like that I'm asking for some kind of major change of direction here - So what your telling me is that if I'm asking for 2-3 more minutes for an ENTIRE game that he is going to hurt the team? - -Come on man get real, if he hurts the team to a degree in a period of 2-3 more minutes the entire ball game then he isn't a D-1 player, I don't see how anyone can think as you say that a player can get acclimated to D-1 ball by playing 2 minutes for an entire game.
I've been as big as supporter for Mitch as anyone here - -I really like Mitch - he is a scrapper , the meat and potato type of guy, and I'm not asking about taking Mitch minutes - but we also have got to get Silvio experience on the floor. This Texas A & M game would of been the perfect time for that close game or not. - -In no way did this game have any effect on our season - -our conference race , we would of lost nothing in this scenario , worst case we lost a game -whoopee - -we need to look more about the broader scheme of things - -not ONE game. - -he has got to start seeing more time little by little so he CAN benefit us down the road in post season. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Silvio is a work in progress. He's not going to be a high impact guy this year. He adds depth to give Azubuike a breather. His job at this point is to go in and keep his man from scoring and get a rebound. He's not in there to score points, he's not in there to make big plays. He's in there solely to do dirty work while Doke gets a breather.
Unless KU blows somebody out sometime between now and the end of the season, DeSousa won't see double digit minutes and probably doesn't see second half minutes either.
ya , you sure right there - he isn't seeing the court in the 2nd half - but then of course if your thinking I'm saying he should be seeing big minutes - -your off however sure could should be seeing a few more then he is seeing - -4-5 minutes a game? - not un reasonable to help with his development. - Pretty hard to learn/develop of two minutes a game - that's not very many minutes to ask - -really hard to develop ANY thing in two minutes. - - you don't hearing me say he needs to be a stud/monster/dominator - but he sure could feel in more then he is. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
jaybate 1.0 said:
People are wondering how Silvio could play some decent minutes on the Canal vs. WVU, but show so little after?
It’s called video.
Opposing coaches have scouted and have their guys take away his best move, and like the highschooler/freshman he is, he is stopped. Self knows it the moment he puts him in. The coaches are giving him a new move to spring on the nest conference opponent. No point wasting it on TAM.
But it’s great news he didn’t foul or turn it over in two minutes. He is following orders and that’s what we need now.
I’m still excited about him being here and buying us some breathing room. He will play against mashers, don’t worry.
He DID get a block - -that was pretty sweet
JayhawksandChill said:
I agree that Mitch is playing better and I thought that was easily de Sousa's best game. Maybe Garrett's too.
Vick is still in a bit of a funk but not a negative. Graham missed a ton of drive/finish shots, seemed pretty off the last two games, likely fatigue.
Newman continues his upswing.
I don't know our destiny this year. We could get on a roll and easily make the final four. We could bow out to a bad matchup. But if Graham, Svi, Newman and Vick get going in March at the same time... nobody is better. (I realize that could be said about several teams, but I think we have 3.5 alpha dogs- all clicking- could be fun.)
agree with some of your points - however I think when we match up with a really physical big team and we have seen this before just get spanked on the boards -were in real trouble. - - - Texas A & M was big but I wouldn't really say THAT AGGRESSIVE on the boards where they just punish you. - Duke - Duke with Bagley & Carter - that would not be good for us - they are so dominant n the boards. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@DCHawker You won't find me defending the B12 today. I'm just not surprised. I thought people who were thinking WVU would wax UK were nuts.
ya, not me. I didn't think WV was gonna win this game - -I had Kentucky picked - -WV goes through to long of droughts where their offense sucks. - Carter just stands out top and dribbles then the shot clock runs down to where it is to short and they have to force things. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well kind of hate to say it, but - -came pretty damn close as to how these match ups would tur out. - -went 7-3 , missed on the Oklahoma game , missed the TCU game - -& missed the South Carolina game. - -Like others have said it really does look as thought every year the Big 12 gets all the hype about being the toughest conference and then - - -we get things like this -we see how it plays out in the tourney so day we are going to have to back up the talk. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
well, after this weekend I was doing my post game after thoughts , and seems to me things are becoming clearer. - - Such as , -- # 1 - - Sure looks like were Still playing with a very short bench - - -still just 7 players, our starting 5 - then Mitch & Garrett . Silvio is still a 3rd option at least in Bill's eyes , and as much as I've always like Mitch , I think we really need Silvio to play so Mitch can move more out to his Natural spot, Silvio just not getting time, Looks like Bill just isn't trusting enough to let him stay on the floor any extended play, I realize he has lots to learn but was hoping he would get some extended time yesterday - I'm just afraid he will not be able to help us very much this year. - - Then you have Sam? - -Sam? - - we have discussed this before , but Sam is buried - buried really deep , It has become pretty clear to me and for sure will not shock me in the least at the end of the season Sam transfers out - -he is not even geting close to shedding his warmups. -So no De Sousa - -to relieve Doke , then not even seeing the football walk on for even a minute or two to help relieve - not looking for anything but even a couple of minutes. - Now Billy gone equals= = = = still right where we were short - really short bench. Man sure seems like not a very good way to use up your Freshamn year of eligibility for Silvio.
It's becoming more clear guys to me and yes it's just my thought , as everyone is intitled to their opinion, but sorry I just feel have an idea where I could very easily see this team losing very easily in the 2nd round matchup in the NCAA tourney - losing in the round of 32 very easily - - Sorry but rigth now at this point I just really don't feel this is clost to be able to reach the final four. - I mean we go through periods. - Let's be serious , looking for serious response , here is a question for everyone - -when has this team play a complete full 40 minutes of really good quality ball? - Like yesterday had a pretty good 1st half, 2nd half? - we just more or less muddled our way through. - - Going forward it's pretty easy for teams our ofense is pretty simple - -defend the three and more cases then not could be a long night. - -It's either feast or phamon with us either the 3 is dropping or we struggle. Doke is not going to beat anyone by himself by a long ways -So you take the way our offense goes and ad our lack of rebounding - how many games in a row now have we been beaten on the back boards? - That spells big time trouble in the tourney - -early exit.
Yesterday was the 4th game in a row Devonte didn't get one minute off the floor - we are going to wear this kid in the ground. - -we have got to get him some rest during game time. Ya some things becoming a little more clear, my hope for a good tourney run is still up there - - -my confidence? - - maybe not so much. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Well, the Big 12 didn't show - -stand up much today. - - - We did our part , - - Texas surprised but the margin a little bit , K-State is going strong , & Texas Tech managed to pull it out.
Baylor continued to look like warmed over dog doo , I still say Iowa state is not that good - - ya , I know they played us tough but who hasn't , I mean 45 points for a game - that's not going to win you much.
Oklahoma State played a little better then I thought they might considering they were without Shine and another key player had a perfect chance to win on their final shots.
West Virginia - -really struggles on the offensive end - to much damn one on one dribbling everyone just standing around. - -Carter a lot of times just dribbles at the top of the key , shot clock gets to low before they try and get in any kind of offense and then a lot of the time they have to force, - just not good offense.
So with that behind us , now time to get bad to the real matters at hand - -Big 12 race , we have a huge game Monday, I'm not gonna predict a win for sure, gonna be really hard the way squeak's boys are playing right now. Hell they actually seem to be playing BETTER since stokes has been out. - -Got to strap it up , another rough game in the Big 12.
Yes of course now we get to hear the rest of the year how the Big 12 is over rated once again , from every other fan base -- -probably right. I'm not to sure but what K-State might not crack the top 25 this week - like 23-25th - -time to roll. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Ugh, Slater with a pick for Duke with EJ Montgomery. Are you freaking kidding me!
I hope we didn't think EJ would be considering us - -as he gave his TOP 11 - and we didn't even make that - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
wissox said:
@Jayballer54 You're being too diplomatic 10-0 Big 12!
psssssssssssssssssssssssssst - -- please lmao- -let me have some of that your drinking roflmmfao - -OH psssssssst just a little quick FYI - -good old Baylor getting their ass KICKED - so now I got to try and figure how you still get 10-0 - that was funny though in all seriousness. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
RUH ROH - -is right. - - even UGLIER then it is now. - - So how much is Izzo involved in this mess. - he said the statement that he would retire at the end of the season is totally false. -- hmmmmm. just a really bad situation for College sports.
I mean you have this situation at Baylor and that whole fiasco - -and now this -- what the hell is going on at these campuses ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
That's one. They are far and few between
very far - -and very few for sure. - - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
I just feel maybe we are overreacting to him not playing and just automatically assuming the worst. Our thoughts certainly could be right but id like to see him stick it out especially with how many guards could be leaving the program at seasons end.
In the end Sam not playing is his own fault, he had a full year to get on board with his coach and figure this out. We have seen some promise, some typical issues that are expected of guys who need time in the system. It's entirely possible Sam didn't pick the right spot to transfer into and expect immediate playing time with how the roster is perimeter heavy. Simply waiting his turn could be the best thing he could do right now and take everything his coaches are telling him in a positive way
I just don't see anything beneficial for him to transfer again. - I mean he transfers and he has to sit ANOTHER year - -you only got what 5 years to play 4 - so wouldn't another transfer cut further into his eligilibilty?