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jaybate 1.0
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M wishes to see you now 008.
We're rich!!!!
MEMO
TO: BIA staff
FROM: Director/janitor
RE: Possible fake front organization with fake ties to the fake BIA.
SECURITY CLEARANCE LEVEL: For her majesty's eyes only
An "off the shelf" operation run by reputedly rogue elements of BIA is rumored to be starting up its own front company called Berkshoe-Hardaway (Note: no connection to Berkshire Hathaway) to bundle Resold Shoes into derivative arbitrages insured by fake guarantied insurance contracts. The countercyclical security to be bundled with Resold Shoes will be black market Pink Pills. All BIA staff should be on the look out for this rogue basketball intelligence organization and share intelligence about it accordingly.
(Note: all fiction. No malice.)
BIA Thought for the Day: We offer adventure, not pay.
FWIW, speaking as the director/janitor of the BIA, I feel very effected.
IMHO the buck stops with former special prosecutor Kenneth Starr, who is reputedly now President of Failor.
Its time for Kenneth to man-up here.
Just a quarterback explains the decline and fall of a perennial power?
That's awesome.
That means that all KU needs is a quarterback to be what Texas has been for so many decades?
Doesn't need great coaches.
Doesn't need an alumni base capable of contributing nearly unlimited bones.
Doesn't need a big fan base from one of the most populous states.
Doesn't need control of its media-gaming complex with its own media contracts.
KU can be Texas with just a quarterback?
Texas can be Texas with just a quarterback?
Its that easy?
Well, hell's fire, why don't the Texas alumni just informally promise the next great quarterback prospect $1 Billion dollars in small bills in a safe deposit box in the Caymans and give him a key and tell him to open the box immediately after he turns pro? Surely, Texans, who like everything big, would be happy to spring for a billion bone quarterback to make them a perennial power again, right?
Life is soooooooo simple when you see it clearly.
I have to say: I was blinded by complexity.
I missed this simple quarterback explanation.
Rock Chalk!
Chase.
Cut.
To.
Who sponsors his AAU team? Nike, or adidas?
It codes like this....
10 IF Nike sponsors Bolden's AAU team, THEN <1% probability Bolden to KU and go to 50, ELSE GO TO 20
20 IF adidas sponsors Bolden's AAU team, THEN IF adidas statement player, go to 30, ELSE GO TO 40
30 Bolden to KU, because of whopping informal downstream endorsement deal expectations. THEN GO TO 50.
40 Bolden to Duke, because of pre-emptive informal downstream endorsement deal expectations. THEN GO TO 50.
50 END
(End Note to @HighEliteMajor: this routine is classified "above top secret" by the BIA and is for HEM's eyes only. Any dissemination of this routine is expressly forbidden by the Director/Janitor of BIA.)
File this response to your post under hip shooting, speculative, hypothetical.
Kurtis Townsend has seemed until the last few years to have been traditionally very effective recruiting in the PNW and Portland.
I could see Mike Lee building an on-the-ground credibility and presence in Portland that could countervail the AAU team coaches and so be very helpful to Townsend recruiting in the area.
If this trial bears fruit, I could see a model of graduating KU players and assistants early in their coaching careers being placed in high schools in certain desirable recruiting areas and building a parallel and alternative feeder system to the reputed Big Shoe conveyor.
It also bears remarking on that this placement of Mike Lee puts him in the back yard of Nike down in Eugene.
And didn't Lee come from Portland, or was it Seattle?
Rock Chalk, Mike Lee!
Go, Mike Go!!!!
MEMO
TO: BIA staffers
FROM: BIA director/janitor
SECURITY LEVEL: for BIA eyes only
RE: Fan's Feeling effected by 42% of college coaches feeling effected by Big Shoe
The above thread has failed miserably to generate SigInt about how fans feel about aforementioned topic. Inference: most fans don't care if coaches are losing players to Big Shoe interference. Thus it is time to reallocate BIA fake resources to other issues.
:-)
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Sung originally by Sam and Dave
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(Note: all fiction. No malice.)
"...Adidas wear filtered all the way from Lawrence to Philadelphia!"
Oh, MY!!!!!--George Takei
Sometimes I wonder if, when looking at all involved professionally today in college basketball, we ought to view them as Cheshire Cats, eh?
Is it possible that many don't go pro over seas sooner, because they just can't afford the pay cut from D1?
@drgnslayr that $45 cost estimate is food for thought. As a layman fan, I have no idea how firms and their accountants would in fact itemize this for business purposes and for Uncle Sam. Maybe someone will weigh in here with some expertise. But let's run with it hypothetically for analytical purposes.
And let me add: Get your Frosty Shoe Malts here, slayr!!!!
But these aren't for resale. :-)
Based on a hypothetical model and some possibly reasonable assumptions (no guaranties) and calculations presented below (accuracy and reliability factors unproven so far), it appears that the street (resale) value of the shoes involved could conceivably be somewhere between $3,3 M under a $1.5M earmarked for shoes only scenario, and $6.7M bones under a $3.0M earmarked for shoes only scenario.
Let me spell that out for those of us ordinary folk that have to write out amounts on our humble little check books in numerals and in words and pay taxes on our earnings, rather than apparently simply move our goods and services in cash on the street, like sex workers, drug dealers and ticket scalpers reputedly do.
THREE MILLION THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
up to
SIX MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
Actual numbers of course could vary significantly, even sharply, but this is, after all, simply a rudimentary starting point for exploration and by guess and by gosh analysis.
Again, some back of a virtual napkin calculations follow to explain the guess. Note the following assumptions of approximate cost to a hypothetical vender XYZ distributing the shoes to schools and their student-athletes, plus an approximate street (resale by god only knows who) value used.
Assumption of Approximate Average Shoe Cost Distributed to Schools: $45 per pair
Assumption of Approximate Average Street Value Resold By God OnlyKnows Who: $100 per pair
Note: calculations are proposed as a hypothetical model for trying to begin to understand what goes on with shoe moneys in Big Shoe Contracts that possibly involve some difference in earmarking of monies between shoes and apparel and so are not intended in any regard as conclusively accurate estimates. It would be nice if some pro journos would run this stuff down for us by interviewing Big Shoe and asking how this all works specifically. As always in our hypothetical analyses, one has to assume for the sake of prudence that there is nothing illegal going on, or the authorities would long ago have stopped this process. Rock Chalk!
$1,500,000 SHOES ONLY SCENARIO:
NUMBER OF SHOES VENDED:
$1,500,000 / avg. $45 per pair = 33,333 pairs of shoes
STREET (RESALE) VALUE:
33,333 pairs x $100 per pair = $3,333,300
$3,000,000 ASSUMPTION FOR SHOES ONLY:
@3,000,000 / avg.. $45 per pair = 66,667 pairs of shoes
NUMBER OF SHOES VENDED:
$3,000,000 / avg. $45 per pair = 66,667 pairs of shoes
STREET (RESALE) VALUE:
66,667 pairs x $100 per pair = $6,666,700
Most influence acquired scenario under the $3,000,000 assumption for shoes only:
@3,000,000 / avg.. $45 per pair = 66,667 pairs of shoes
END NOTE: Would it possible that players would actually have to take an after tax pay cut, were the NCAA and its member institutions not only to start paying players reportable income, as announced, but also stop the reputed shoe resale process? Is that why quite a few players play D1 instead of jumping early and going abroad? YEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWW! D1--its Shoe-tastic!!!!
And yup.
Yup.
15000 shoes?
How about even 7000 shoes?
What AD's players wear 7000 shoes per year in competition, eh?
C'mon give a rat's rectum.
You give enough of one to leg it on the links
This apparently goes on more or less at all the majors that are good in either hoops or brain damage ball!!!!
Regardless, thanks for the links.
Wait, what is it we are supposed to say?
I don't think u r reading it correctly.
We don't agree. Let's agree to disagree etc etc etc.
I love this technique!
Howling!
Seriously I am grateful for your admirable footnote clicking and thinking here.
So: assume half the reported $3m were for apparel and accessories.
$1,500,000 / average $100 per pair of shoes = 15,000 shoes
That still seems like a lot of shoes, doesn't it? Even if every kid in intramurals got a pair, too.
Do the kids and coaches really wear all these shoes to compete and coach in, or is this just a way to pay players?
I am having a hard time understanding this. You seem like you get it.
Good leg work. The BIA wants to recruit you and not pay you more than any other basketball Intel outfit doesn't pay you.
But as director/janitor of the FAKE BIA, I have to debrief you briefly.
What makes you assume a published contract on the Internet is accurate? I want to believe you about this, potential special agent @JayHawkFanToo, but why do you believe the veracity of a published contract on the Internet and not believe the Portland Business Journal published on the Internet? Shouldn't we be skeptical of both?
To gain the BIA's full confidence please answer the following questions.
First, explain how you know this published contract on the Internet is reliable.
Second, explain how you know the cost of the apparel means the $3,000,000 adds up to an appropriate number of apparel and shoes, if you know.?
Third, what is an appropriate amount of apparel and shoes for Nebraska's athletic teams and what is your source for this number and how do you know that source and number are reliable.
Fourth, are published contracts on the Internet always accurate and fully transparent, and how ever you answer this, what is your source and how do know it is reliable?
The BIA doesn't pay for this sort of information, but it wants to know everything worth knowing, how it is know and the level of confidence in its accuracy.
Rock Chalk!! 😀
Once the market falls another 1000 points, the currency crisis starts and then shoes, drugs and spam maybe the only viable media of exchange for awhile. 😱
Imelda may be Big Shoe! 😄
No, the $3m number is apparently for shoes, Not apparel. So, you've just made the case that things DONT ADD UP.
But I like your diligence.
It helped focus the issue.
Maybe even dispense with the credit cards and just do it all on line with basketball i-scrip
Credit cards take a lot less petroleum them a pair of size 8 teen triple E hightops.
Maybe big shoe could make pairs of shoes in different denominations, like $1000, $5000, and $10,000 shoes. Then distribute credit cards for each shoe, instead of the actual shoes. Then the players could cash the shoe credit cards in, will having to bother to use up the petroleum. 😄
Just shoes. Other contract monies were apparently earmarked for other things.
Note: I am not meaning to pick on the Huskers here. I suspect there are probably other schools with large amounts ear marked for shoes, too. Rather I am trying to understand where all these shoes are going? Are shoes a kind of scrip at the company store? Do you carry a couple pair tied together at the laces dangling around your neck and swap them for goods and services? Are they a new petro-currency? "Hey, dude, give me two pairs worth of gasoline for my rig." Something like that? Or are we talkin' more like complimentary Shizz? "Here, mom and dad, I've left the tickets and the 4 pairs of shoes at the will call window for you and pop's client." Like that?
I am still stumped by this $3M allowance for shoes.
What if the shoes cost $200/pair?
That's still 15,000 pairs of shoes per year!
Does everyone on the Dean's List get comped like 10 pairs, or something?
MEMO
TO: fake special agent @VailHawk
FROM: fake BIA director/janitor @jaybate 1.0
RE: Fake BIA's Fake Compensation
The fake BIA is faking sending you undercover to fake investigate all REAL petro-shoe allowances to all D1 programs to see where all those petro-shoes are going.
BE CAREFUL. ACCEPT NO COMPLIMENTARY PETRO-SHOES, even though fake BIA doesn't pay you even a fake salary. The greatest game ever invented is depending on you. Basketball God's speed to you.
😀
The Portland Business Journal reports Nebraska gets a $3m annual allowance for shoes from Adidas. Assuming $100/pair, Nebraska gets 30,000 pairs a year. How can it need that many?
Is it rabbit pulling when the dump trucks back up to Lexington?
Talking about BIG AGENT appears the REAL taboo--not BIG SHOE.
😱🙀🙈
The BIA wants to know.
@drgnslayr said:
Why does the NCAA even exist?
Maybe to discourage certain dissident member institutions from destabilizing the relationship with Big Shoe?
As in keepin' da boys in line, see? 😀
But I still keep wondering if and how a Big Agent maybe fits in?
Not the small agents and agent runners talked about rarely.
BUT A HYPOTHETICAL "BIG AGENT."
Some one capable of handling all the summer game.
Maybe not even an agent.
Who runs the AAU, I wonder?
@drgnslayr said:
"It’s like asking a Russian federal minister if he thinks Putin is doing a good job… sure… anonymity…"
HOWLING!!
PHOF!
Yes, I used to love frosty malts at the Big 8 Xmas Tournament. 😀
Looks like The Portland Business Journal tracks shoe contracts.
BIA Case Officer @Crimsonorblue22 noticed in some voluntary content analysis research for the ridiculously ficticious Basketball Intelligence Agency that Adidas laid $53.6 MILLION on the Indiana Hoosiers to hurry in three stripes!!!! Here is one source for the story.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/18/news/indiana-university-adidas-deal/index.html ↗
It is reputedly an 81% increase in IU's contract with Adidas.
It is so far unclear if that directed cloud burst of green rain in Bloomington, IN, can be used to pay basketball players, as per reputed new NCAA RULES ON PAYING PLAYERS.
Developing....
Wrote this before: Big Shoe seems only part of a hypothesized deep structure of basketball recruiting shaping asymmetries in talent distribution. Big Agent appears another possible element of that hypothetical deep sructure. Has anyone seen any muckraking books, or investigative articles, old or recent, on agents and D1?
Uh-oh.
Four years of learning on steroids in a rich Petrie dish of accelerated mating rituals--it's fan-tastic!!!!!
Great take. I forgot about the cleats to streets disconnect. I forgot there's no real summer game in football.
Has anyone put some time into figuring out the drivers and real politik of football recruiting the way basketball has finally been x-rayed and partially exposed?
It took me a while to sort the basketball stuff to get the angle there. I had to go back and read the exposes of 15 to 30 years ago to get the scent and follow it forward. I love hoops in a way I don't football. No way am I putting in the time on football to do the same thing.
What makes me guess there must be a deep structure to football recruiting is the Texas Longhorns' sudden decline. That sort of fall doesn't just happen.
Similarly, but on the obverse, KU's sudden precipitous spike under Mangino and catastrophic crash does not just happen.
There seems to be more to this than just coaches changing.
Who knows the real skinny on "FOOTBALL CONFIDENTIAL"?
The financial planners can now raise their fees for players!
Prosecution rests. 😀
No, heck no! 😀
Let's rub it in. 😀
Is this a bit like asking hungry residents of a company town if they are ever price gouged by the company store? 😀
Notice the quotes were unattributed, too. That makes me wonder if the only way they could get responses was a promise the shoe companies would not learn their identities.
42% was an even bigger number than I would have expected from coaches depending on the reputed shoe conveyor for future recruits, to say nothing of all the coaches getting shoe money directly through shoe contracts and indirectly through camps fees at camps with reputed shoe tie ins.
It also appears to suggest the other 58% might be getting the crucial players they need from their brand alliance. 😀
I wonder if Cal answered that he never lost a player because of shoe co influence? I suspect maybe so.
Here is an even better survey question.
Have you ever landed a player because of shoeco influence? 😀
Question for you, konkeyDong: logically assuming our online community is too small and insignificant to have brought this issue to the attention of national media, who in professional journalism has been responsible for bringing the petro-shoeco influence in recruiting and coaching and athletic departments back into some focus, after it seemed to have been shall we say undereported pretty much since Dan Wetzel's "Sole Influence" back in 2000, or so? Anyone in particular for us to thank?
What people are overlooking appears to be this:
IF IT WERE GETTING HARDER FOR SELF TO RUN THE HYPOTHESIZED SHOE BLOCKADE IN BASKETBALL, THEN ANY KU FOOTBALL COACH MIGHT BE SUNK ALMOST BEFORE HE STARTS!!!!!!!
Adidas APPEARS at least able to let Self channel one or two player leans from its conveyor and Self can apparently glue the rest and win 25-27, because it's a game of only 7-8 man rotations.
But football requires waaaaay more bodies.
Could Adidas even round up 44 top players (two strings both ways) from its football conveyor for even one football program in the country?
I am asking cuz I don't follow football closely.
Unless Adidas has a much bigger stable of football leans than basketball leans, KU SIGNING with Adidas was might have been a kiss of death for KU football hopes.
Does any one that follows football know if Adidas has a larger share of the football player leans than it reputedly does in basketball?
Beatty might be able to overcome the shoe brand with A&M pipeline diversions for one or two seasons, but after that it might be curtains unless the apparent embargo breaks, if such an embargo really were to exist.
Seriously, think about what you said about how the labor unions came out of the restructuring and tell me that doesn't refute what you assert and support my assertion.
Everything within producer oligopoly is adversarial only within narrow limits.
Everyone is on the team. Sometimes you take the short end, sometimes the long end, but everyone is on the team, until they are flushed. No one tells the boss how it's going to be. No one except his boss. Certainly not unions. Them days is long gone.
Like I said, learning hurts.
Instead of commenting and then asserting further discourse would be fruitless, the logical thing would be to avoid comment and say further comment would be pointless.
Logic. Logic. Logic.
It will help with the shock of the new.
Rock Chalk!!!
Why is further discussion fruitless, but saying one is in dreamland is not?
HOWLING!
Regardless...Rock Chalk!!!