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@nuleafjhawk

Not joking about the all trey theory.

It contradicts all orthodoxy and common sense about diversified modes of attack, but...

Numbers don't lie.

The same force that drove the unthinkable extinction of the mid range game should eventually drive the extinction of the short range game.

And it should happen with, or without a rim protector, and with or without an inside scoring presence.

And if a coach wants diversification he should only engage in it playing outside in, i.e., by long rebounds being converted to quick passes only to a wide open footer parked at the iron.

Bottom line, devise an offense with offensive action designed solely to create open looks beyond the trey stripe. Run the clock as long as it takes to get that open trey look and take it.

Do it in a 71 possession game.

Guard hard.

Defend to hold down their trey attempts to less than yours.

Regardless what size your inside players are, if you shoot >30% you are in the game by definition, regardless of whether your bigs are tall or short.

Shoot >35% and you win probably 90% of the time.

Shoot > 38% and you win 99%.

@globaljaybird

Oh, yeah, those were very good and the Uptown really was uptown once upon a time.

Back to flicks, its very personal what moves one and resonates with one. Up until the last two years, Randolph Scott was not my cup of tea. But then I found the Budd Boetticher westerns the he directed for Scott that were written by Burt Kennedy and it was like a light went on that I had been missing something very, very, very important in the westerns. I don't know how, or why, it happened. I had looked at Boetticher and Kennedy's work long ago, when I was trying to learn about screen writing, and though I appreciated their craft, their westerns did not thrill me at all.

But then two years ago, they did. AND IN A BIG WAY.

I believe what changed was my getting older and getting a bit disillusioned with the kind of movies made today, where heroes are so compromised. The themes of these westerns relit my love for movies and I watched and studied all six three times each and they have rekindled my love for movies generally.

Decision at Sundown (1957)

The Tall T (1957)

Buchanan Rides Alone (1958)

Ride Lonesome (1959) – also producer

Westbound (1959)

Comanche Station (1960)

I really think these six westerns rank as important contributions to our culture's art of the 20th Century--they do for me.

@Jyhwk_InTigrtwn

Thx for taking a minute to clarify.

The beauty of this medium is we get to make those clarifications.

I hope that our community over time will become more and comfortable with adding, subtracting, and correcting and apologizing, along with all the good cheering and moral support we lend each other. Extending these sorts of curtesies greatly increase ones joy at participating.

Rock Chalk!

@Lulufulu

Yes.

By Forrest Claire Allen listed used on bookfinder.com.

Basketball, (Athletic Institute series)

Better basketball; technique, tactics and tales

Better Basketball;: Technique, Tactics and Tales, (Whittlesey house sports series)

My Basket-ball Bible

http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?keywords=Forrest+Claire+Allen&new_used=*&lang=en&st=sh&ac=qr&submit= ↗

Ask and ye shall receive. :-)

He also wrote:

Coach Phog Allen's Sports Stories for You and Youth.

http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&ref=bf_s2_a5_t1_13&qi=XiRBh5UnsBKdl91RRhoAjt2ZgKg_1420144435_1:559:2124&bq=author%3Dforrest%2520g%2E%2520phog%2520allen%26title%3Dcoach%2520phog%2520allen%2527s%2520sports%2520stories%2520for%2520you%2520and%2520youth ↗

Alas, this children's book has become very collectible.

Around the same time--late 1940s and 1950s, LIU Brooklyn's great coach Clair Bee made a career out writing the Chip Hilton stories and others. More relevant though is that Clair Bee also wrote important basketball coaching books about strategy and tactics and pioneered coaching clinics on same. Bee had an .824 career winning rate, at LIU. He ended his college coaching career in 1952, when the CCNY point shaving scandal eventually implicated some of his own players on LIU also. LIU shut down its basketball program and Bee moved on to coach briefly in the NBA. Bee was a great influence on Bob Knight, who reputedly defended Bee against corruption charges and argued that Bee was one of the greatest basketball minds produced early on in college basket. I would highly recommend getting one of Bee's basketball strategy books though I confess it has been so long since I read one of his books that I would have to reread one to comment intelligently on his contribution. Clair Bee is the next guy I will study in depth, if I ever get around to digging into this stuff again. My recollection was that Bee's game--spanning the 1930s to 1950s explains much about what came to be called New York ball, as practiced by Clair Bee and also Frank McGuire, which Larry Brown grew up amidst. And it was McGuire that went to UNC and hired Dean Smith before McGuire got run for improprieties.

Basketball has such a rich tradition and it is still sufficiently short that one can still hope to appreciate it in its full breadth, unlike so many other subjects.

@Crimsonorblue22

Tight may even have been from the 1930s. Regardless, I pick out a two decade period and a genre every year, or two, and try to watch movies from that era. I study the evolution of the mythology and camera techniques. Last year I watched westerns from the 1940s to 1950s without John Wayne or James Stewart in them to see what the lesser actors and directors were trying to do. The 1 million channels on cable, plus internet, plus TIVO make this easy and fast to do. This pic is probably from The Thin Man with William Powell and Myrna Loy. Get ta know ya legacies. It is necessary to know your present. :-)

!PowellLoyThinMan.jpg ↗

UNLV REBELS • Jan 01, 2015 02:22 AM

@drgnslayr

PHOF!

UNLV REBELS • Jan 01, 2015 02:22 AM

@JayhawkRock78

Dang, which one is the library?

@Crimsonorblue22

Yes, me, too. But I was just using an old slang from the movies of the 1940s-1950s for fun.

@JayhawkRock78

BACK AT YOU!

@Crimsonorblue22

How about you, are you already a little tight? :-)

@Crimsonorblue22

No, no booze for me, if that's the question.

Hung up the shaker about 25 years ago.

No addiction problem. Just nudged me closer to high blood sugar than I liked. Best thing I ever did.

But, hell, yes, I love New Years.

Ever since I was 10 and saved an M-80 from July 4th till the New Years and detonated it at 4 below zero in a huge snow drift, I have loved the holiday as much as any.

Happy New Years!

@icthawkfan316

We can hope. :-)

Dog house sentences are finite.

@Lulufulu

Right you are, so Self will surely unleash them for UNLV.

Fingers crossed. :-)

@REHawk

Coach, I absolutely hate it when you get pessimistic! :-)

I am not a bonafide professional.

I get to be pessimistic out of ignorance.

You on the other hand have some obligation to hold our hands and say it will be alright!!!!!!!! :-)

Ah, but it IS alright.

We have The Legacy.

We have a great coach.

We have players worth loving and rooting for.

We have great fans.

No one has crashed the stock market yet.

Putin stopped the South Stream gas line under the Black Sea and partnered over land with Turkey and the west.

Women are still beautiful.

The private owners of The Fed are going to keep interest rates down awhile longer.

The world is awash in more oil and gas than it knows what to do with.

Scientists have decided it is okay to eat butter and use aluminum cookware, after all.

Every game from here on out is going to be somewhere we can watch it.

Happy New, Year, Coach, Happy, Happy New Year!!

@colojhawk

Glad you found us. Welcome. Hope you're right.

@drgnslayr

I have proposed an identity for this team. Shoot all threes. Break completely out of the D1 box.

You have proposed an identity for this team. Yours probably makes more practical sense. Run a full motion offense. Heck, run the Princeton.

@HighEliteMajor has proposed an identity somewhere in between yours and mine.

Others have proposed staying the course and letting the traditional inside out identity evolve.

I just finally did what I always do when I try and try and try to figure out what Self SHOULD be doing and get no where. I toss all the assumptions and just sit back and say: what IS he doing? REALLY!

And what I come up with, slayr, is what I said above.

The only hypothesis that describes what Self has been doing is scheming and substituting not to beat to teams, but to do things that enable a team to beat themselves.

His approach every game this season is completely consistent with hanging around and letting opponents beat themselves.

He just wouldn't do most of the things he has been doing with players, if he were trying to actually find the best 7-8 guys to beat another team with.

He is looking for the best 8 that hang around and wait for an opponent to beat itself.

Because that IS what they do.

I wish he were doing what you advise.

I wish he were trying my "every shot a trey" strategy.

I wish he were jumping on HEM's approach.

But he always in the end knows more about his players than we do.

When guys aren't playing and he is forced into playing them some, it quickly becomes apparent WHY he wasn't playing them a lot. They usually have some glaring shortcomings--more glaring than the guys already in the rotation.

Again, my biggest excitement is that he is trying the secondary break, which I think makes a lot of sense to me.

The way he is coaching this team is this: keep picking up a couple baskets here with this nip, and a couple baskets there with that tuck, and so on.

The rotation players are the ones that he thinks can help the team hang around. The nips and tucks are designed to make it more likely to hang around.

But the underlying philosophy is apply and sustain the defensive pressure and wait for the enemy to beat itself.

Pure Phog.

(Note: blame @nuleafjhawk for this one. Not really. Actually it s just a response to his response to one of my posts. :-))

@nuleafjhawk

Exactly!

We are so fortunate to have Self and the wonderful players we have.

At the same time, we are so far through the looking glass here that everyone is screaming from the disorientation.

Self is taking this ship somewhere it has never been.

We are through a strait and in a new ocean.

He is doing it in a subtle way that no one, including his team quite grasps yet, probably because he is feeling his own way along.

Change and thinking hurt.

Trying to grasp what the metamorphis that is under way is like trying to squeeze mercury. It squirts in unpredictable directions every attempt.

What I like about this very hairy situation is that Self is the one doing the mapping and engineering here. He is fallible, but who would you rather be in uncharted waters with after the last ten years?

What I fear about this situation is that I just do not see how the pieces of mercury that he is working with are going to fuse into something capable of being a good team capable of beating ANY other good team on a night when that opponent is having a good game.

Of the coaches that have confronted the contraption that Self is gerry rigging as he goes, two smart ones--Dunphy and Cal--saw through it and stepped on its central struts and broke it. The two teams have quite different levels of talent. Thus talent is not the common thread of the two losses. It is good coaches with good talent not beating themselves that is the common thread.

Every win against a good team involved KU hanging around and the opponent beating itself. Both MSU and Florida self destructed. We did not beat them. They beat themselves and we were there to grab the W.

Dare I say it? This is Phog Ball reincarnated.

Most people today know that Phog Allen was the first genius of college basketball, but they do not understand what his genius actually was. Phog Allen was a genius innovator, on the one hand (note: virtually every form of offense and defense was tried by him first), and a genius at finding ways to let other teams self-destruct. The former genius of Allen's is somewhat recognized, but the latter was what really put 700+ Ws on his W&L statement through ebbs and flows of talent.

What I and others in our frustrations with what Self and his team are NOT doing that perhaps they could be doing have tended so far to overlook is: there really are two ways to beat someone.

  1. You beat them.

  2. They beat themselves with your assistance.

Kentucky beats teams. It overwhelms them with talent. It plays how it plays. You lose.

But you can play to help your opponent beat himself.

The current team is 10-2, because Self apparently decided that this team lacks sufficient pieces to beat most opponents straight up, regardless of what offensive and defensive schemes they might try; i.e., they lack the pieces to try to beat most opponents the Number 1 way.

So: Self being the acutely flexible and highly educated student of basketball's legacy that he is, Self has apparently gone all the way back to someone even the KU faithful have forgotten to develop a winning approach for his undermanned team.

Note: I am in this post going through the looking glass once again with Bill Self, as I have to do most seasons, sooner or later.

He had to drag me through kicking and screaming this time, because for a change I do differ with him about how this roster might best be used.

But here is the thing: I came to the same conclusion Self apparently did before the season started. Without Embiid, this roster remaining, lacked the necessary pieces for a champion that could find a way to beat the best at their best playing traditional Bill Ball-->Eddie Ball-->Larry Ball-->Hansen Ball-->Iba Ball.

The pieces weren't there.

But where I defaulted to the 2000 Tulsa teams and the Wooden's 1963 UCLA teams for models, Self apparently went back to Allen.

Allen's one constant thread was how do I use my material to best let other teams beat themselves.

It was almost as infuriating and mystifying a way to play the game to opponents as was Self's Tumble Weed Buddhism approach of the past ten years. Self let them set tempo. Take what they give us. Play it their way. 84% of the time opponents found themselves being able to do exactly what they wanted at what ever tempo they wanted to play at, only to find that Self Defense still biased the outcome to KU. The opponent walked off the floor bumfuzzled, whether the opponent had more talent, the same talent, or less talent. How did he do it? We got to run exactly what we wanted to? Why didn't we win? How the expletive did they beat us. They defended really well, but other teams have guarded us that well. What the hell just happened?

I have gone on at length with what happened the last ten years and everyone knows what I think happened--how Self has done it the last ten years.

But this year is different.

Self Ball used to actively try to beat opponents "their" way.

Self Ball used to actively try to beat opponents even if it sand bagged until the last 10-7 minutes to begin trying, as was the case with the 2012 Finals team.

Self Ball has mutated, at least for this season.

This season Self has turned games into glass bead games of letting opponents beat themselves.

Self is no longer sitting on the bench trying to figure out how to win; that is now boring to Magister Ludi.

Self is now trying to figure out how to make other teams lose.

It is a subtle, but important distinction, if one is trying to evaluate his moves.

This is I suppose the XTReme logical extension of Tumble Weed Buddhism rooted in the Iba legacy taken finally across an arc to the other parallel wire of Prairie Basketball--the Forest Allen Mt. Oread Wire.

Two wires, one arc rising, the wind began to howl...

So let us not talk falsely now, the season is getting late...

For you and I have been through that and it is not our fate...

All along the Ball Tower, the board rats came and went...

If I were asked to do some abstract public sculpture about this I would find the highest point of land between Stillwater, where Iba coached, and Lawrence, where Allen coached, and I would build two 100 foot tall lightening rods about 20 feet apart and an awesomely powerful electric generator--a kind of super sized model of one of those Frankenstein movie contraptions where the white arc of electricity rises sizzling slowly up to the top before discharging and repeating again and again.

The abstract Neo Modernist art work of high tech hoopism would be on prairie with a post rock barbed wire fence around it. The entrance would be title cryptically "The Allen-Iba Tower: Iterations 1-->N." It would be powered by a multi-hybrid driven electric generator using equal inputs in series from solar, wind, fracked coal gas. and burning cow dung.

It would look alien in purpose in the day light and menacing at night.

No one would ever get what it was about except a few KUBuckets.com board rats drawn helplessly to it once a year, like a bunch of Richard Dreyfusses drawn to Devils Tower in Close Encounters of the Third Kind .

The little sign explaining the giant sculpture would read: "First appeared on this site 9-11-01. Artist Unknown."

After 9-11, America adopted a pre-emptive war doctrine in which America not only ceased waiting to be attacked, but ceased trying to win the wars it started. The approach seems outrageous and unthinkable, but that is exactly what was done. Start endless wars. Don't try to win any of them. Hold our losses to a minimum, Hang around. Try to perpetuate the wars with counter terrorism actions until the opponent exhausts and beats themselves.

It is ghastly way to play at international relations. Sinister. Often indistinguishable from Evil. Becoming..."the enemy in the instant that we preach."

And yet it works...in an awful way.

If we are willing to endure the price of riskinglosing our own way of life, our own freedom from Big Brother, our own constitutional process, our own right to privacy, our own unconditional right to free speech and habeas corpus, etc. Not saying its gone. Saying its being put at risk.

America no longer wins wars.

America creates wars and hangs around waiting for opponents to beat themselves.

It is a bitter tasting way to play the game.

No one gets to be Ike, or Patton, achieving decisive victories.

We have Petraeuses now. Ambiguities capable of great good and unthinkable evils, that then are marginalized from our collective wake because we cannot bear to think of what they have done.

But as I said, "it works."

Once upon a time in a prairie long, long ago, a young acolyte of James Naismith, a Missourian named Forest Allen, proved the inventor of the game wrong. The game could be coached. But the young acolyte, a tirelessly curious and innovative type, stumbled, as if a character in an Indiana Jones movie, into a deep, deep insight, a knowledge that went back to the ancient past of warfare and competition. He discovered that the game could not only be coached, it could be coached not to beat opponents, but to help them beat themselves. It was a terrible dark discovery that few understood as such, because of the effervescent joy and optimism of the coach that discovered it. He was like Indiana Jones discovering the terrible beauty inside the lost arc of the covenant. He spoke of what he found in such disarming simplicities that it was hard to grasp the import of what he had found. He was like Indy discovering the terrible beauty of the holy grail and returning to Indiana U to teach sleepy students something that could not be comprehended without first hand experience. True knowledge, deep knowledge, is both beautiful and horrible. It is the character and intentions and uses of the those that discover it and live with it that makes for good, or evil outcomes. The weak can be destroyed by the deep knowledge. The strong can be made stronger and more virtuous and be delivered from peril by it.

Indiana Bill Allen is being tested this season.

He has become the father and the son recently in the midlife crisis.

But this is the holy ghost thing.

This is the big arc.

This is Indy standing on the face of the rock wall having to take the step onto the invisible bridge that may or may not be there, depending on how steadfast one's character and belief is.

He has discovered the deep truth buried in a vault far under Allen Field House, a vault beside the vault with the basketball grail. In it were the secrets of the late Forrest Allen. It has to do with playing so that others beat themselves. It is a horrible beauty.

It is called winning ugly by those with the knowledge when speaking with the innocent.

It is called winning ugly by those with the knowledge that do not quite yet themselves fully grasp the difference between winning ugly and helping others beat themselves.

But, regardless, it implies the inner most circle of basketball hell and heaven, i.e., knowledge, has been reached.

And therein lies both hoops destruction and salvation.

Your bull whip won't be much use from here on, Indy.

Now you have to make it up entirely as you go.

@lincase

HOWLING!

@Crimsonorblue22
Refreshing to read your optimism. I need some after Kent game. All of what you note is true. Trouble is what HEM and I note is true, too.

The bright spot for me was Self trying to score off the secondary break.

JNew mentioned it in his story, so I know I was not imagining it.

I wrote awhile back that the secondary break was a spot where we might pick up 3 easy FGs per game out of the mobility of our big men, if we just ran a little.

Scoring much off the primary break requires good rebounding. We often can't do that.

But the secondary break is the trailing bigs and can be exploited in any sort of hurry up. Roy used to do it some even on made baskets.

Sometimes all the secondary break is is just bigs posting low block quickly and getting a quick pass from a primary breaker that has pulled the ball up on the wing. Even bad rebounding teams can run a secondary break. It can even draw some fouls and FTs. It's just your bigs trailing and hustling faster down the floor faster than their bigs. Our bigs are fast . So hurry the ball down floor with our perimeter guys not to score themselves, but to feed the secondary break as it arrives
Just 3 easy baskets per game could be a huge edge for this team right now.

Also the simplified passing lane assignment change sounds small, but could be big for these guys. It is kind of a space filling approach, rather than a mechanically unfolding approach to getting down the floor. This team needs to get in transition more often and more quickly and this might help.

The team goes from everyone wearing lingerie to no one wearing the crap.

Presently, Oubre seems to be the only guy really nursing a bum knee and wearing a heavy duty wrap.

Even Selden's bare legged against Kent State.

And while we are at this mind making up stuff, will someone ask Self to make up his mind who can play and who can't?

All of this yo-yo-ing of PT is getting absurd a the end of December.

This unusual KU team continues to set unexpected precedents.

~The sixteen point W over Kent State was the first ugly blowout ever recorded since the athletic supporter was invented.

~Reputed OAD Kelly Oubre finally got the first of the usual two allotted OAD show-case games against lesser opponents in meaningless games for brand-building and accomplished something no other OAD has ever done. While playing with exemplary efficiency, something OADs often do not accomplish in these rim-gimme games, Kelly actually held himself to 20 points! The previous reputed low score in a brand-builder was 25, though the Petroleum OAD Basketball Institute's web site, which tracks this stat was down and this fact could not be confirmed.

~Former OAD and former TAD Wayne Selden took his play against poor teams to a new low, by shooting 1-7, while trey shooting his way further into the mother-of-all three-point slumps. Wayne's trey slump now extends from the start of his freshman season to the mid point of his sophomore season. He also showed that 50% FT shooting was within his grasp as well.

~Reputed OAD Cliff Alexander showed that he could not foul, but could score efficiently and play only 13 minutes against a mid major. We can only hope Self was resting him, unlike Frank Mason for the grind of the season.

~Reputed 4AD Landen Lucas showed he could board productively, shoot poorly and collect 3 fouls all in only 15 minutes against a mid major.

~Brannen Greene showed that he could do nothing constructive but make 2 FTs in 7 minutes, at a time when KU is arguably so short handed in the back court as to be called handless.

~Reputed 17-year old Ukrainan phenom and reputed certain future NBA draft choice Sviatslov Mykhailuk, whom many, including yours truly, thought had the right stuff early on, shot his way further into the Marianas Trench of all three point shooting slumps and completely squandered 13 minutes of D1 college basketball proving that either Mike Fratello and Bob Hill don't know their asses from bupkas, or Bill Self has found a top secret new way to foul up a promising young player. or Vladimir Putin is using a Tesla Tower somewhere in Siberia to fornicate with the mind of our favorite Ukrainian.

~Bill Self completely left the planet and played Frank Mason 3.0, the only credible, physically fit, starting point guard within a 50-mile radius of Allen Field House, 35 minutes in a meaningless game against a mid major with a 15-20 point lead during "the time of getting better." In doing this, Self both exposed Mason 3.0 to unnecessary wear and tear and injury immediately before the start of the conference grind, but he also missed an opportunity to give Evan Manning more than 2 flipping minutes of preparation PT for the near certainty that Mason 3.0 will get injured during a conference round robbin schedule. Rumors are that the inability of KU to play inside-out has led Self into an altered state of consciousness that as yet has no diagnostic reference in psychiatric manuals. One Jungian psychiatrist consulted said that what Self did was a mythical equivalent of Alfred Lord Tennyson having the Light Brigade ride an additional thousand unnecessary miles BEFORE writing:

"Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred..."

An utterly unprecedented and inexplicable coaching move. Perhaps Self can have Frank play 40mpg in the next game--30 at pg and 10 at low post--to play him into still better shape for the coming grind.

~Hunter Mickelson was given 3 minutes against a team that might have allowed him some chance at building confidence, indicating that Self will now place Mickelson back in the cryogenic suspended animation for the rest of the season, and that Hunter was only thawed to try to motivate Jamari Traylor through his arrest episode.

~Speaking of Traylor, he proved that with 21 minutes of PT against a mid major in his junior season that he can rock for 8 points and 3 rebounds with only 3 TOs and 2 personal fouls. Hunter Mickelson? We don't need no stinking Hunter Mickelson.

~And last but by barely least, Perry Ellis gutted it out inside for 7-14 FGs and 8 reebs without practicing a single step out 3pta of the kind that will be absolutely imperative against 70% of the teams KU plays in conference and 100% of the teams KU would meet in March, were it to get an invite.

In the end, this Kent State game may have been played for no one but Bill Self. This was a nostalgia game for Self . He seemed kind of sentimental about it. He played this game as if it were an old pre-OAD season with good big men and actual draft choices ready to play. As if he had all the pieces of a team. As if the players were experienced and could actually run the stuff. They ran all the old nostalgic high low sets. Guys squirted out for a few transition baskets. There were a few impact plays from created space. They passed the ball around to make space. They played inside out like the old days. The team got 9 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 12 TOs. It was like the old days of winning the disruption stat I invented once upon a time that I have quit keeping at all. It was classic Eddie Ball, classic old 70 point take what they give us--a 16 point win with +13 on the glass.

But it was fool's gold.

It was against a second rate team--a team that in the old days 11 guys would have been in double digit minutes of PT against.

And the FG% was 49.5%, not 59%.

And the trey shooting was 35.7%, not 39%.

And the turnovers were 15, not 8.

Next game its back to reality.

Next game its back to Perry having to take treys.

Next game its back to Cliff having to play 25-30 even though he is not ready.

Next game its back to outside in.

Next game its try to win ugly by 4, not win ugly by 16.

Next game its hope and prey Frank holds together till Devonte with his boot off can at least limp around for 5 minutes.

Next game it is back to Oubre tallying 12 if he's lucky.

I guess we're not the only ones. • Dec 30, 2014 09:04 PM

@wissoxfan83

It is rumored that the Pope Francis and Pope Benedict agree on only one issue: issuing an encyclical that prevents Catholics from attending, or watching, UK games.

(Note: not really.)

:-)

Big 12 Play around the corner. • Dec 30, 2014 08:55 PM

@Crimsonorblue22

Amazing things happen in that building.

Big 12 Play around the corner. • Dec 30, 2014 08:54 PM

@drgnslayr

Hell, yeah!

I just had to do a little bitching to get going again after the turkey.

Tarawa. Eniewitok. Ames. Norman. Saipan. Austin.

Away all boats!

Big 12 Play around the corner. • Dec 30, 2014 08:48 PM

I can just hear Self now.

Self: Lance Corporal Graham, I order your toe not to hurt.

Graham: Yes, sir, Lieutenant.

Self: And if your toe were to hurt, you are under orders to say it does not really hurt.

Graham: Yes, sir, Lieutenant.

Self: And if you limp, tell anyone that asks that you were born with an uneven gate.

Graham: Yes, Sir, Lieutenant.

Self: And if the toe limits you quickness,lateral movement or pop, you are ordered not to allow it to limit you unless it is before, or after a game. Do you read me?

Graham: Yes, sir, Lieutenant.

Self: Frankly, Lance Corporal, your toe already looks good enough to score 14 points to me.

Graham: Yes, Sir, Lieutenant, I believe it does.

Self: Now, get out of your wheel chair and feel good. We've got some conference games to prepare for, Lance Corporal, and we will need you at your best when we need your best, or we will be in a dust storm of freeze dried excrement faster than you can say, "D1 Conference basketball is an order of magnitude faster and tougher than non-conference circle jerks."

Graham: An order of magnitude faster and tougher, sir.

Self: Now you are beginning to understand the meaning of the words "sempre fi," Lance Corporal. These are not just words we write on latrine walls, when thinking privately about Kate Upton at 0300 with our bayonets out of our sheaths, Lance Corporal. These are words we play through on. Do you read me, Lance Corporal?

Graham: Sir, yes, sir.

Self: At ease, Lance Corporal. All you need to remember is this: if you play, then your buddy, Gunny Sergeant Frank Mason whatever the flip version number he is, is going to be spared. No enemy is going to gang up on him every game and beat him to a bloody pulp and kick him in the testicles with their Nike petroshoes, while down on the floor. And he is going to be spared that mistreatment, because you, Lance Corporal, are playing on your sore toe.

Graham: Sir, yes, sir.

Self: Which would you rather recall when you are old and grey and about to meet your maker, Lance Corporal? Would you rather recall Frank Mason whatever the flip his version number is playing happily, scoring more than Brad Pitt in a cat house, guarding with the full force of his sweet soul? Or would you rather see your beloved Gunny Sarge laying in a writhing heap unde his basket after having had his anterior cruciate ligament kicked in two by an enemy prison body ordered by his invertebrate coach to end your Gunny's career?

Graham: The Lance Corporal is out of his wheel chair, sir, and it...doesn't...hurt...a...yeeeeeeeoooooow....a bit, sir.

Self: Sempre fi, son. See you April 6 in Lucas Oil Stadium.

Big 12 Play around the corner. • Dec 30, 2014 08:23 PM

@Crimsonorblue22

GREAT NEWS!

Did they say whether his toe works?

Tarik Black waived by the Rockets... • Dec 30, 2014 08:20 PM

I am feeling a bit contrary, so I am going to take on Hudy today.

This team looks and plays like wounded soldiers in a MASH tent.

Last years team did, too.

And frankly teams the last several years have.

The team that played Kentucky in the finals of 2012 was pretty much playing on joints held together by bailing wire and ankle boots and sexy knee lingerie.

Our guys are gimpier than a bunch of Octogenarian Rockettes.

If science can't do better than this, then, by god, Chaplain, I want an injury prayer. We shouldn't have to fight Kentucky and joint problems, too! I'm in good with the almighty, Chaplain. If Hudy's training regimes don't keep us healthy, then you write a good injury prayer and I guaran-damn-ty you that the good lord will listen.

That is all.

Big 12 Play around the corner. • Dec 30, 2014 08:09 PM

@drgnslayr

We are not only young.

We also lack:

--height and rim protection inside

--rebounding skill inside

--scoring skill inside against anyone over 6-8 and 230

--any depth at point guard

--any starting ability to get up and finish at the 2, or shoot the trey, or depth at the 2

--any ability to shoot the trey at the 3, unless we put a guy in that can shoot the trey but cannot guard.

--any ability to strip and turnover other teams

Other than that, we okay. :-)

More Messo Ball for Slayr • Dec 30, 2014 01:28 AM

@sfbahawk

Every physical activity is sport to me in which you compete according to rules, score is kept more or less honestly, some one is said to have won, and you shake hands afterwards, or at least don't have your lawyer contract Academi aka Xe aka Blackwater to settle the score deductibly, or go the non deductible route with ethnic mafias, or DIY retribution.:-)

Death wish sports are just a subset of sports, not something different.

Car racing is a sport with a death wish.

Long jumping against other competitors in a sand, or synthetic foam pit, is not a death wish sport.

Long jumping off the open tailgate of a C130 without a parachute would be a death wish sport.

Just me going out to shoot dinner with a bird dog on a hedge row is not a sport, its a recreation, or form of hunter-gatherer activity.

But me going out to shoot dinner with a bird dog against another guy with a bird dog doing same with judges with timers and score keepers is a sport.

Me working and growing a garden is not a sport.

Competitive gardening with rules, judges and winners and losers would be a sport.

Me cleaning and jerking a couple hundred pounds is a work out, not a sport.

Me cleaning and jerking with rules, judges and winners and losers would be a sport.

Sport involves rules, sets of incentives, penalties for cheating, and outcomes that lead to winners and losers.

Lots of sports have death wishes as part of their lore.

But a death wish alone is not enough for a sport.

If I go out and try to wait till the last possible minute to jump out of the way of an oncoming train, that is a death wish activity.

If I go out and do the same thing against another guy and with rules and judges and so on, then it becomes a sport with a death wish.

Its the rules and judges and outcomes that make an activity a sport.

The rules don't always have to be written and the judges can be the players themselves, as in playground basketball.

Tarik Black waived by the Rockets... • Dec 30, 2014 01:06 AM

X passed the eye test and had a sweet stroke.

The trouble with X has always been that neither D1, nor the pros were an eye test beauty contest for guys with sweet strokes.

Injuries are not really X's problem, at all. If injuries were the thing the teams would keep protecting him since he is only 23.

Bottom line, X has NEVER played up to his hype.

X has always played like an average to good player, looked like a good to great player, and people have always been betting on the come for the good to great player.

But he has never consistently produced more.

His best production has always been average to good.

The dead give away on X was that he could only beat Brady Morningstar out of 20-25mpg, even with Morningstar not having his best season.

Ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, flashing red light, flashing red light!!!!!!!

X getting waived is about what he did while healthy, not just about being injured.

X has always been a good open look trifectate that could defend average and rebound a little. He was this way at KU. He has been this way as a pro, when healthy.

There are literally dozens of guys on benches around the L that can give the same, or more.

Whenever he is healthy and a team has a hole, he will catch on.

Whenever he is hurting, at team can always flush him and find someone that gives the same.

His real problem is his game, not his injuries.

He has never raised his game beyond average to good.

P.S.: I am among those that read him wrong. I really thought he sand bagged at KU, but over the long run it has become apparent that he has just been an average to good performer all along. And that there just wasn't anymore out in the distance waiting to come to fruition.

P.P.S.: the above sounds way more negative than I intended. Being an average to good player in the NBA IS A FINE ACCOMPLISHMENT for any player and something to be proud of. But X was branded and marketed as someone that could be an NBA star. I once thought he could be. Some NBA FOLKS apparently thought so too. But even when uninjured his game never seemed to rise to that level. I am glad he is a Jayhawk and that he made his money. Rock chalk X!!!!

KU drops to 13 in AP poll • Dec 30, 2014 12:51 AM

@JayhawkRock78

I prefer to think of it this way.

KU does not drop.

Others rise.

:-)

Welcome to the "Crimson" theme • Dec 30, 2014 12:50 AM

@bskeet

Its a tiny change that massively improves my experience of the site.

I hope others like it as much as I do, so we can keep it. :-)

Who is the new KU assistant coaching guy? • Dec 30, 2014 12:49 AM

@Lulufulu

I believe that would be Fred Quartelbaum.

Improvement Inside Means Cliff At 30 MPG • Dec 30, 2014 12:43 AM

@Lulufulu

I predicted 10+ losses this season. Right now your prediction of 8 looks better, despite the Temple game.

Self always squirts out of the blocks in January to steal a few Ws on the road, while the other teams that didn't hold anything in reserve for the conference season are stumbling trying to adjust to the new level of intensity of conference on the road. If he can go 7-2 the front half, then I think you are on the money down the stretch.

But I am not sure he can go 7-2 the front half.

I think the team could go 6-3 or 5-4 without Graham, unless Svi suddenly finds the range.

Svi is the wild card in this entire team.

Oubre and Cliff are behind schedule, but it is clear that they keep getting better.

Selden is a pop-less plateau. He gives the defense the team needs and if his matchup is just right, he can have a good scoring night.

But Svi is the car the wheels came completely off.

Svi turning his season around can turn KU's season around.

Graham out is only half the problem.

Svi is the other half.

We need both to be good.

The team had a bright future, when Svi's defense had not been exposed.

But without Svi, Self is really short-handed.

So if Self goes 5-4 the front half, it would mean that things were going to get very ugly on the back half; that would point to my preseason prediction of a 10+ loss season.

An injury to any scorer this point and the team turns into a ship without a rudder.

Finally, Temple and Dunphy were very kind to KU. They did not try to rough up Mason. Every B12 will go for the exposed jugular that is Mason. Teams are just going to try to crucify him, because he is the only thing standing between any B12 team beating KU. Frank might as well be fitted for a kevlar cup.

@nuleafjhawk

Self's approach is designed to beat the most teams we face.

Self's approach is premised on riding probabilities as far as they will take us and then hoping a tactical gamble and luck gets us by the improbable. All Self's teams are built on this logic. The ring team was the one time the luck came at the right time--8 down with minutes to go--and delivered the ring against a team with equivalent talent and a superior star player (DRose). Self believes in hanging around until the opponent beats himself, or lets you beat him. The philosophy is a widely held one probably first articulated in basketball by Phog Allen. Play to your probabalistic strengths, hang around with good defense, and high percentage shots, and let the opponent beat himself, or expose a weakness that lets you exploit.

Sound strategy I embrace in my approach, however unorthodox it seems.

I just differ radically for the first season in his tenure with Self regarding which probabilities to ride. I say ride the 3pt probabilities and work to become better at disruption every way possible, so as to always shoot more 3ptas than the other team shoots 2ptas and let the inherent advantage of 3 points outweigh the Pynchonesque inherent vice of 2ptas.

It is as plain as the nose on Self's face that this team cannot depend on their bigs and 2ptas on 3 out of 4 possessions that he has shown as scheme so far and win consistently without the other team beating itself.

Temple is the problem with this scheme.

UK is the problem with this scheme.

And any team that can do what either of them can do is the problem with this scheme.

Few teams can beat you the way UK can. Duke and UA fall into UK's category. UA has been upset, same with Duke, so you know one or two of them will be upset on the way to the ring. Probably only one. So probabilistically speaking: you have to worry about meeting 2 of the three from the 16 on. Apparent Nike stacking seems set to make this a parameter of sorts, too.

If these sorts of teams were the only probabilistic obstacles, as 2-3 teams are every season, I would be behind Self's approach whole hog this year as usual. We haven't got enough talent to beat them, just as most seasons there seem to be 2-3 teams that our talent falls short of equaling, so scheme to beat everyone else, and hope for luck in tournament match-ups, and some daring gambles, to save us against these teams, if we have to play them. And accept defeat graciously when it doesn't happen, because well that's the way it goes.

But, as I said above, Temple is also a kind of team we cannot beat with this scheme (unless Temple beats itself) and there are at least ten Temple's out there. Temple is a much, much better team than anyone realized. They are a Top Ten and perhaps a Top 5 team with the addition of their two players AND Dunphy is a first rate coach. There is a reason Temple took us apart like a coroner cuts up a cadaver. BUT...there are ten Temples around this season, maybe 15, and that number is too high to go against with this current scheme...with this version of who we are...and give this roster of KU players a reasonable chance in battle. Every team deserves a fighting chance from their coach.

Self has said recently that he has to find a few things, not many, that the players can believe that will work for them. He recognizes the problem. I believe he is working on it. I believe he is a genius at this stuff.

But I have worked with genius a number of times and I learned that genius was no more a guaranty of reading situations correctly than was non genius. It can even be an impediment at times.

Reading situations correctly is just a matter of hard work at thinking and intellectual honesty about the circumstance.

Grant and Eisenhower were great generals, not geniuses. They were tireless workers sweating he details so that they read the circumstance correctly. Because they did, when they put their geniuses into battle, their geniuses stunning moves were not wasted the way Erwin Rommel's were by his leaders.

Genius comes into great advantage only when the situation is correctly diagnosed BEFORE the genius moves are made.

Rommel was a genius. But his leaders frequently incorrectly diagnosed the circumstances they forced him to operate in. Thus, Rommel's genius was continually squandered.

I am intentionally looking at this situation WITHOUT genius. Its easy, because I am NOT a genius. I am wearing the practical lens prescription I require, and here is what I see.

Self is bringing a strategic knife to a gun fight...unless he sharply alters strategy and/or sharply increases the tactical tools in the tactical tool chest of the current strategy during "the time of getting better"--between now and the start of conference play.

I suspect he will add several tools, rather than sharply alter strategy. It appears everyone here thinks the same thing. It is the rational thing to do, because it rationally builds off all the work that has been done so far--the work aimed at using daily struggling to "become who we are, i.e., who we set out to be from the beginning."

Self has, after all, learned the joys of getting out to an early conference lead by playing well at home and stealing some wins on the roads with tactics he did not show before the break. This was the formula he applied last season to win a conference title unexpectedly quickly.

But the success of this depends entirely on whether or not what Self saw at the start of the season regarding "who we are" and "who we can become" with hard work realistically recognized what he had to work with, AND what kind of basketball teams he was up against.

Self obviously did not expect Embiid to jump last season, but Self at least knew by summer that Embiid was out of the picture. He apparently treated AWIII in a way that made his exit likely, so he was likely expecting that. CF had to be a wild card. Self apparently wanted CF in one kind of role on this team, and not in the role that CF wanted. Self appeared to try to walk a tight rope between encouraging him to stay with the team in the function Self envisioned, and making it clear that it would be better for him to go if he could not happily accept the role envisioned. It would appear with hindsight that up until a few weeks before CF departed that Self fully expected to have CF for the season; that CF's departure at the moment he left WAS a surprise to Self; that Self apparently expected CF to at least hang on till semester break and likely till summer before transferring. And so Self's sense of "who we are" and could be included CF and when that did not happen the timing of the development of others became much more critical.

But Self said that CF's departure actually would allow some less juggling and some more development minutes for other guys. And Self left unsaid that it put an end to the vision of moving Selden to all the positions 1 through 4. And the team settled into Mason and Graham at 1, Selden and Svi at 2, Oubre and Greene at 3, Ellis at 4 and first Traylor at 5, and then Lucas and Cliff at 5 and Traylor filling both 4 and 5 as MUs allowed.

But then Selden regained no pop, could not get up backside for a lob, and shot the trey poorly.

And then Oubre probably got a knee injury--the one that he wears the lingerie on and still favors--that was spun as being slow on the uptake.

And then Perry couldn't cut it against the L&S types.

And Cliff's mind could not rapidly absorb how to play D1 post on either end of the floor, and so he had to be brought along slowly, under the guise of protecting him from fouling, when the obvious problem was he was not "getting" how to play his position within the team flow. Cliff's individual numbers have all been very good from the beginning. He can make plays no problem. He is very physically gifted. His problem has been reading and deciding what to do and so the idea has apparently been to have him watch the action for 5 minutes before throwing him into it. This makes perfect sense. Right thing to do. No blemish on Cliff. But in the OAD era, players like Cliff come into fill empty slots. There is no bringing them along slowly. They have to play. And they have to carry a 12/8 and preferably a 15/10 burden to make the team any good. That couldn't happen. Cliff needed mental transition time even without injuries. You can see the confusion in the expressions on his face most of the time.

Self has appeared to view this team very similarly to his 2000 Tulsa team, as I predicted he would. References to the few aspects of the '08 ring team may even have been authentic on his part, despite the absurdity of comparing this team with one of the greatest defensive teams of the modern era, and a team with five fully matured pro, or near pro grade players. This years team has not one player that will be as good at the end of this season as the first six players were on the '08 ring team the season BEFORE the '08 season!

What Self apparently envisioned this team being was a 2000 Tulsa team with 3-5 potential 40% trey shooters. It gave reason for optimism, even if only 3 of them lived up to expectations. But CF left. Svi bombed as a shooter. Graham got injured. Greene can't guard. And so Self is left with virtually a copy of his 2000 Tulsa team--one good trey gun in Mason, and a bunch of brick artists, except for Greene, who's defense is so weak he can't stay on the floor.

But Self has a bigger problem than trey shooting, because his 2000 Tulsa teamed proved you don't need more than one 40% trey gun, if you can disrupt and rebound.

This KU team cannot disrupt or rebound..yet.

Note: teams can lean to disrupt with the aids of a variety of defensive schemes that Self has so far been unwilling to consider the application of. Rebounding is a much tougher thing to acquire.

So this KU team not only cannot stay on the floor with UK grade teams, it can be manhandled by Temple grade teams, and it has to win ugly with MSU and Utah grade teams.

Note: winning ugly is a deceptive term. What it really means is hanging around and hoping the other team will beat itself. It inherently involves luck; i.e., you are not controlling your destiny, you are depending on others to screw up under pressure.

For this reason, I am saying that going forward with this scheme, of hoping for others to beat themselves, even with the added tools of "the time getting better" is bringing a knife to a gunfight.

It is a strategy aimed only to see if he can steal enough road Ws on the first half of the round robbin (when the coaches haven't seen his wrinkles to what they have already done) to keep his team from going into double digit losses on the back half; then go out early in the Madness, and hope for signing Zimmerman, or some Euro footer we haven't heard about yet.

I don't believe its the best we can do. And I've never been able to say that about Self's team schemes before...ever.

Why isn't it the best we can do? Because he's only shooting 15-20 treys a game; that's why. He is scheming to shoot 3/4s of his shots inside the trey stripe with players that aren't as good as other good team's inside players; that is bone head strategy. Sorry coach.

And I don't believe that ANY strategy that depends on inside scoring, even in combination with drawn fouls and FT shooting done inside, by ANY of our players give this team a fair chance of being the best it can be.

All the statistical tendencies and physical abilities possessed by this team are against this team every second of the game that it plays offense inside the trey stripe. No amount of improvement playing inside is going to change this team into one capable of beating most of the Top 15 teams most of the time, when those teams play well. KU is winning close games against good teams by hanging around and letting those teams beat themselves. But as those teams improve over the season they get better and better at NOT beating themselves. So this approach is a recipe for failure.

Whenever KU meets another team that does not beat itself, KU doesn't just lose, its gets the snot beaten out of it. That is a dead giveaway that the scheme for this team is fundamentally not orchestrating team's capabilities into any "who we are" that can win by playing well, even when the other team does not beat itself. And any really good team has to be able to beat some teams at their best, or the Ws are fools gold--to borrow Self's recently used term.

The three point shot changes college basketball as much as rifled artillery and machine guns changed infantry warfare in the Civil War and WWI, carriers changed sea battles before WWII, and nuclear weapons changed warfare and diplomacy post WWII...COMPLETELY.

We live in a time where basketball coaches with great big men have forgotten all the lesssons of the early 3point era taught the game by the Missouri Valley Conference coaches, and by other mid majors, back before other mid majors could start landing rim protecting bigs.

If you don't have rim protecting bigs, you can beat any team if you take enough 3ptas and make 35% and disrupt enough to hold the other team to fewer FGAs. You don't have to outbound them. You don't have to score inside. You just have to make 70% of what few FTs you get randomly, give the other team their inside buckets, after trying to strip their passes into the paint, and play tirelessly.

It is also probably wise to play low scoring games which magnify the worth of each possession, but I haven't fully worked that logic through to may satisfaction. Probably the sounder way to think is to play whatever number of possessions maximizes your chances to wind up with the greatest advantageous spread in possessions ending in shooting attempts, provided yours are 3ptas and theirs are 2ptas.

It is just a mathematical function that if you shoot 71 3ptas out of 71 possessions and make only 30%, while disrupting another team into 8-10 fewer 2-pt attempts, and that team is shooting 3/4 of their FGAs as 2ptas, you will be in the game even if that other team does not beat itself. And you are biased to win, if you shoot 35% or better. You only have to shoot 40% or better from trey, when you are shooting only 15-18 3ptas per game.

Self is being blinded by conventional wisdom about three point shooting.

He needs to shake off the conventional wisdom. He needs to break out of the prison of his own experience.

Wisconsin showed last season what a bunch of trey ballers with a footer could do. It was only the tip of an ice berg. The key was NOT the footer. The key was the trey ballers. The footer only was decisive against lesser teams that lacked a footer.

Disruption all over the floor is just as good as disruption at the rim. All that matters is creating fewer possessions that end in a FGA attempt for the opponent than for you, plus shooting vastly more 3ptas than the opponent.

This is like Nimitz saying he could be the largest naval fleet in history with four battle ships and a broken code.

No one thought he could.

But he knew the principle was sound.

He knew that he did not have to sink the Japanese battleships and cruisers to beat them. He only had to find a way to sink enough of the Japanese carriers that they could no longer provide enough air cover to protect all of those battle ships and cruisers.

We don't need to attack and sink UK's four footers.

Or anyone else's superior front court either.

All we need to do find a way to disrupt their supply lines to those four footers enough times that we get more 3ptas than they get 2ptas, and this turns this into a game of 3pt shooting versus 2 point shooting and win, unless they are willing to switch and have a 3pt shooting battle. And frankly, if they do that, we are better at that than most.

Kent State Golden Flashes • Dec 29, 2014 05:38 AM

Powerful stuff.

Improvement Inside Means Cliff At 30 MPG • Dec 29, 2014 04:57 AM

Self has indicated from the beginning that Cliff and Oubre were brought into start and go 30-35mpg by conference time.

Its that time.

Cliff playing 30-35 at 5 means Self can finally committee Ellis and Mickelson. With Cliff sitting for anyone, Ellis has to play all the time to keep some scoring and rebounding inside, but Ellis isn't up to the challenge for more than 20mpg. Cliff means Mickelson gets to play as much as his defensive footwork permits against his match ups. Mickelson has not played because his defensive footwork at high post is not reliable. But with Cliff behind him to catch his mistakes and Oubre to help on the man Cliff has to leave to cover Mickelson, then Self can have Mickelson's scoring and shot blocking in the game at least 20mpg. Mickelson is a necessary component to the team the rest of the way with or without Graham coming back.

Oubre is the starting 3 now and will only come out for bursts of trey shooting by Greene. Greene's defense is an utter mystery. Greene should be the starter, but he swings wildly between being able to guard and not being able to stay with his own shadow. Oubre is the three by default, because, while he cannot guard either, he can at least recover from his defensive mistakes, where as Greene tends not to. If Graham makes it back, Greene will be limited to 10 mpg.

Where this team is headed is exactly where Self's 2000 Tulsa team went. That team became a team in which lots of mediocre to bad shooters shot lots of treys with only one 40% trey baller in the bunch.

The two questions with this team are:

1.) will this team's defense ever be able to disrupt enough to strip and turn the other team over enough to keep the opponent's number of FGAs 5-8 under KUs; and

2.) will the pieces of this team fit together into a recognizable, enduring identity?

The chances of this happening without Graham and the glue and flexibility he brings seem slim.

Unless KU can do both things, this KU team's above average trey shooting probably cannot by definition beat either a super team like UK, or a good long and disruptive team like UL.

One thing that is now clear: the more KU relies on Cliff and Oubre to score against second rate teams, the more certain beating those second rate teams will be. But the moreKU relies on Cliff and Oubre to score against the likes of UK and UL, the more certain it becomes they will lose.

The ONLY path to the mountain top for this team is 20-30 3pta/game off action with faking minimum against good teams, and 60-70 3ptas would be ideal against UK.

Combine the above with half court defense schemed to discourage trey shooting, strip and force TOs, rather than stop inside scoring, and lots of intermitent zone pressing to get TOs in transition zones, and KU could beat any team.

Fail to do the above and KU is headed for 6-8 losses from here to the end with or without Graham.

Tarik Black waived by the Rockets... • Dec 28, 2014 11:54 PM

@brooksmd

Not likely. :-)

More Messo Ball for Slayr • Dec 28, 2014 11:47 PM

@drgnslayr

I too have had this argument made to me.

If its logic were true, then Russian Roulette Deer Hunter style would be the greatest game.

BUT IT IS NOT!

Don't give up your basketball for anything.

Its okay to give up on SOME of those that control the game, and some that coach and play it.

But not the game, not the part you know is true.

It IS the greatest game ever invented.

For me this is self-evident.

But for those doubting, I sometimes proffer this: the memory of the game and a woman kept my father going through Bougainville, Guam and Iwo Jima. The Marine Corp merely gave him the tools and the Navy a ride.

The game is big medicine.

And you played it for a time.

You are thus one of its apostles, whether you wish to be or not.

Your only choice presently is whether to be seduced by those that would elevate sports with a death wish above the greatest game ever invented.

I have no doubt you will make the correct choice, after some soul searching.

Tarik Black waived by the Rockets... • Dec 28, 2014 10:11 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

Great, thanks for sharing your knowledge of the NBA uniform contracts. My NBA knowledge is slim these days.

Nevertheless, that league wide adidas apparel contract is what I might have hypothesized based my previous reading about the hypothesized Nike-adidas PetroShoe and Petro Uniform basketball duopoly dynamics.

To cover some old ground for others than you, duopoly and oligopoly players reputedly operate in these market regimes in what some scholars call co-opetition.

The reason for cooperating is reputedly to create a duopoly, or oligopoly (i.e., hypothetically to enable Under Armor's entry, but discourage other entrants) hopefully vest it with enough market coverage to take up enough retail market oxygen and existing manufacturing capacity to discourage other unwanted entrants with deep pockets from entering into the market.

Duopoly and oligopoly players reputedly compete to acquire as much market share as their fellow members will tolerate, so that they can insulate their cash cycles from adverse economic cycles regionally or globally.

So under this hypothesis: since adidas has been traditionally big outside the USA in track and field, soccer, etc. in shoe and apparel, and adidas exo-USA markets have taken terrible beatings, especially in the EU, adidas has had to try to increase market share in the USA to try to offset exo-USA market losses.

Nike logically should want to cooperate with adidas up to a point in order to maintain the duopoly and to migrate controllably toward an oligopoly including Under Armor, or whomever else an oligopoly can stabilize itself with by including.

But Nike's strength is reputedly very much shoes in USA and so it would make sense hypothetically for Nike to have tolerated giving adidas the NBA apparel market as a helping hand. Alas, that slice of the apparel market was perhaps not enough to heal adidas wounds overseas. And adidas shares reputedly began to be massively invested in by an investment management organization with a reputation for drastically restructuring market sectors with huge amounts of investment, and reputedly no small amount of untraceable plunge protection team monies. If I recall correctly, it was about that time that Nike and adidas relationships appeared to begin to grow quite tense at least in appearance. It at least appears that Nike began to view adidas no longer as simply a benign partner in oligopoly building, but rather as a potentially dangerous and desperate adversary under extreme financial pressure and perhaps even as one being influenced by shifting stock ownership structure perhaps beyond its capacity to control towards being uncomfortably adversarial toward Nike. One can only speculate, of course. But it does at least seem that Nike and adidas should appear a bit less adversarial about each other as oligopolists in coopetition, if there were no other outside agents adding conflict to their relationship.

All that being said, the factoid about the shoes being individually contracted among individual NBA players is really quite interesting, too.

Have you read what the average pie chart looks like on most NBA teams regarding Nike contracted players vs. adidas contracted players? That would be interesting to know.

Should one expect something like 80 percent of an NBA roster's shoe contracted players to have Nike shoe contracts, since Nike sponsors reputedly roughly 80% or more of the most competitive summer game teams and top college recruits, and some similar percentage of the college coaches and the D1 colleges?

Or should one expect the NBA shoe-contracted roster players to be 50/50 Nike and adidas on each team?

Or are some NBA teams largely populated with Nike contract players, while other NBA teams are largely populated with adidas players?

The more information you can provide about these sorts of breakdowns the more one can begin to understand the Big Shoe Dynamics informing the college-NBA basketball industry shoe/apparel marketing continuum.

For instance. I wonder if NBA teams with mostly Nike contracted players and a Nike contracted coach would ever look at two very similar players vying for a backup position and think, "Well, these two guys are a wash in terms of what they can contribute, why don't we be a good teammate to Nike (or to adidas if this were a largely adidas contracted team of players and coach) and keep the Nike guy?

Why I like hypothetically exploring the possible role of the PetroShoeCo brands in the apparent asymmetries of talent distribution and roster decisions at the college level, and perhaps at the NBA level also, is that such hypothesizing is kind of a win-win.

The asymmetries appear to be there and anomalously so.

I would find the situation interesting, if Big Shoe were to be found to be driving the anomalous asymmetries.

But I would find even MORE interesting, if Big Shoe were found NOT to be driving the anomalous asymmetries.

Do you see what I mean?

And it is those two intriguing possibilities that keep me quite determined to keep all my thinking about this sort of thing premised entirely on the assumption that all participants are breaking no rules, regulations, or laws, AND that it is by no means yet clear who the actual drivers of the anomalous asymmetries are.

Thanks so much for augmenting my comment and helping our community continue this discourse.

Keep the factoids coming.

Rock Chalk!

P.S.: Maybe the most interesting factoid of all is Lebron's contract being the only one yielding a net benefit, and then only after ten years. I really find that stimulating to think about. It suggests many intriguing possibilities for hypothesizing.

More Messo Ball for Slayr • Dec 28, 2014 08:53 PM

@drgnslayr

Great idea for a script. Write it!

What I read indicates that the balls used were round. They were made from rubber, or rubber like sap, tapped from certain indigenous trees and cooked and pored into a spheroidal mold. The mold was apparently cut open, suggesting it might have been a woven mold and the round rubber ball resulted. I cannot tell if the balls were solid rubber or had a hollow interior achieved by some process. I would guess solid. The players wore only loin cloths with leather belt/harnesses around the tops of their thighs that held something comparable to hip bone pads in American football pants securely against their hips. Players kicked the ball at teammates and teammates used the hip bone pads to ricochette the ball to another teammate and for protection in impacts against the stone side walls of courts. I have found differing descriptions of all of this, but most agree that the hands were not used to control the ball. The ball was kicked, or hipped toward either woven baskets at ground level, in early neighborhood ball :-), or up to the high vertical stone rings in the Messo NBA courts. :-)

Like many games, Messo-Ball apparently started as a grass roots game that grew more and more popular. Over time, as their culture developed more and more sophisticated religion-politico-military-economic organization, "the ball game," as its various names translated, grew more elaborate courts adding high walls instead of just scratched boundary lines, and woven baskets on the ground, and, then rings on the high walls. As this occurred, the games were instituted into festivals. No one I read so far claims to be sure when the ritual sacrifices became attached to "the ball game." But my feeble reasoning suggests that the game was played extensively by ordinary folks and in small time festivals without any sacrifices at all. Why sacrifice one of your pals, or grandpa, when you were likely to play every day, or few days for recreation, right? And that as rituals became increasingly staged by their councils/governments in their various seats of power ritual sacrifice, already a part of certain of their religious and war celebration rituals, became attached to "the ball game." They apparently believed that defeated armies did not deserve to be slaughtered on the battle fields, wholesale, but rather should be brought back to the seats of government power and kept as prisoners/hostages for some time. Such victory needed savoring maybe? It grew to be considered just to divide the prisoners in teams and let the winners live and behead the losers, as a kind of final justice of warfare, while letting the winning prisoners live perhaps out of respect for the warrior tradition. As best I can tell the winning prisoners were probably turned into slaves of a sort, or perhaps the greatest were honored with freedom, or swapped for hostages held by the defeated enemy. Hard to say from what little I have read. Note that this is not substantially different from what the Roman's did somewhat earlier, or at least for not as long. They marched prisoners of war back to Rome, put them in gladiatorial combat and combat with the fiercest animals they collected from afar during the wars, and those that survived were sometimes spared as slaves, or traded for hostages. The takeaway however is that by the time of the Spanish Conquest of Mexico by the Habsburg financed Castilian Spanish Crown that Spaniards believed in slaughtering as many on the battlefield as possible; this the Aztecs still found quite barbaric and disrespectful of fellow warriors, as the ancient Romans likely would have too. They enemy apparently deserved something greater than just being slaughtered anonymously on a battlefield. He deserved a chance to go out in celebratory style. So: the ritual sacrifices related to "The Ball Game," though ghastly, were not totally like the weirdo religious sacrifices of humans and animals on altars that have plagued humanity for as long as human beings were capable of superstitions and magical beliefs. These Aztec ritual sacrifices were rather more like the spectacle of competition sacrifices in the Roman Coliseum. Yes, they were meant to pay tribute to the god for letting them win the war. But they were also meant to acknowledge the greatness of warriors; that warriors were not meant to die anonymous deaths slain like livestock. There was supposed to be some meaning in their defeat and death. Its hard for me to appreciate, as my morality, logic and common sense rebel at the idea of the absurdity of giving meaning to anything through unecessary killing of prisoners, but I am a person of my time when soldiers and civilians are slaughtered by the millions at the drop of a hat, simply for control of a geostrategic pinch point, or a vital natural resource. War has largely in my lifetime been only nominally about anything other than control of trade route pinch points, natural resources needed to back reserve currencies, denying indigenous assemblage of Euraasian centerpoints, and controlling addictive substances used to destabilize regions. The idea of ritualized sacrifices for such things seems not only vicious, unnecessary cruelty, but absurd and uncathartically tragic.

Oh, well, enough already. Back to the joys of basketball played by young men for sport and education and maybe a shot at some big bucks. America...what a great country despite its problems.

@drgnslayr

Play X-axis.

Play pressure defense solely to deny trey, and to strip and force TOs.

Never contest an inside UK shot.

Keep UK off the FT line.

But take every FGA at 3pt range and with fakes to encourage 3 shot fouls.

Make 30% of 71 trey attempts.

Make 70% of 3-shot FTAs.

Win every time against anyone shooting 15 3ptas and the rest 2ptas.

This is mathematics.

More Messo Ball for Slayr • Dec 28, 2014 03:25 PM

@drgnslayr

It is still played in Sinaloa. It is called ulama. Not sure if rings still part of game.

Don't go to state of Sinaloa to find the game without a seriously trusted local escort. Fishing acquaitance says still mucho cartel-danger in traveling there for gringos.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulama_(game) ↗

More Messo Ball for Slayr • Dec 28, 2014 11:43 AM

Some more...
B – Ball game: the ball game was invented about 3,000 years ago by the Olmec civilization. More than 600 ball courts have been unearthed in Mexico alone, and it is believed that countless more have yet to be discovered. The majority of courts have a similar architecture of two parallel walls along the sides of the field. By 800 A.D., stone circles or hoops had been added, attached to the side walls at the center of the court. The ball was not allowed to touch the ground; it was bounced off the walls of the court and off the players themselves. Points were scored by directing the ball through a stone circle hoop much like modern-day basketball. In ancient times, war prisoners were often forced to play, and the winners were beheaded. There are two regions in Mexico where the games are still played today – in Sinaloa the game Ulama is played, closely related to the Aztec variation of the Olmec ball game, as well as in the valley of Oaxaca.

Louisville lost to UK 58-50. KU lost 72-40.

UL crammed it inside and took 58 2ptas, making 25.9%, which was strikingly similar to KU which took 56 2ptas, making 19.6%.

UL took only 14 3ptas, making 21.4%, again similar to KU taking only 15 3ptas and making only 20%.

So why did KU get blown out and UL come within 8?

Two reasons:

1.) UK got 8 fewer 2ptas and the same 3ptas, because UL disrupted the shizz out of UK by forcing 18 UK TOs, while stealing it 1o times; and

2.) UK got 10 fewer FTA, despite UL applying all the pressure.

KU in comparison turned it over MORE than UK, and gave UK about 10 more FTAs.

But rebounds reveal the most bizarre comparison. UK out rebounded UL +13 but only out rebounded KU +5.

Take away: UL conceded rebounding to UK and tried to strip and turn over UK everywhere on the floor including on the way into the post, but then let UK's footers score once they got scoring position, so as to ensure UK got to the foul line less than UL. Doing this encouraged UK to slow it down.

This high pressure, low fouling approach is something that any team including KU could apply.

But as successfully as UL applied their strategy, they STILL lost by 8, which in a low possession game is a considerable amount.

What could they have done differently?

SHOOT THE TREY ALL THE TIME, STUPID.

Why waste 58 attempts from 2pt range making only 25.9%, when you could have been shooting those same 58 attempts from trey and making their admittedly pitiful 21.4%?

UL scored 30 points from 2ptas cramming it inside. Plus they got fouled and made 17. Let's say 15 of those made FTs came from cramming it inside, and two came from miscellaneous fouling. That means they scored a total of 45 points from the inside shooting strategy.

Compare this with UL having hypothetically shot all 58 actual inside attempts from 3pt range instead.

UL would have scored 36 points had they made their actual trey percentage of 21.4%. That is 9 points shy of the inside strategy.

But what if UL had gotten fouled twice on missed 3pta and shot their actual 70%; that's 4 made FTs. That does not seem improbable on 58 attempts, especially coming off screens and fade curls.

So that 36 points with made FTs would really be 40 points. Well, that's still 5 points shy of the 46 and wouldn't have closed the gap.

But what if UL had shot 25%? UL would have 46 points and that would have been one point more than they scored with the inside strategy.

So: what if UL had shot 30% on 58 3ptas? It would have made 52 points plus 4 FTs, or 56 points; that would have been 11 more points than the inside strategy.

And 11 more points would have left the score board reading UL 61-UK 58.

Now perhaps UL is an absolutely horrible three point shooting team and 30% would be beyond their wildest dreams.

But KU, with its long wings and high trey shooting percentage perimeter, if it ran action each possession to shake its trey shooters free, ought easily to make 30 percent from shooting treys on every possession were they to meet UK again. 30 percent is not very high, when your trey gunners are sighted in.

I know shooting 70 treys in a game sounds utterly fantastic, but I am increasingly convinced that doing so would win almost every game, if one's team were top flight pressure defense players capable of stripping and turning opponents over, while holding down fouls by conceding 2pt shots once the ball got into the footers.

Think how much pressure our guys, especially our mobile bigs could apply, if they were not sagging and doubling to help our short bigs try to guard 4 footers.

Guard the passing lanes, not the footers.

Disrupt everywhere, concede the inside basket.

Hold down the fouls.

Forget about rebounding against guys a foot taller than you.

Shoot treys every time down the floor, except when there is an obvious open uncontested shot at the rim by one pass.

Make 70% of what few FTAs you get.

Slay the giant.

Tarik Black waived by the Rockets... • Dec 28, 2014 06:33 AM

Tough break for Tarik.

His numbers looked decent, except for made FTs, which were 50% or so.

That could deep six him, as a backup big.

But in this era, it never hurts to ask which PetroShoeCo the Rockets are contracted with?

Ballbotics, or Beyond the Analog OAD • Dec 28, 2014 06:05 AM

@globaljaybird

Comedy is a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. :-)

Ballbotics, or Beyond the Analog OAD • Dec 28, 2014 06:04 AM

@ParisHawk

"Dave? Dave?

"Daisy, Daisy, send me your answer please."

Ballbotics, or Beyond the Analog OAD • Dec 28, 2014 05:55 AM

@HighEliteMajor

This has some promise. I hope someone that knows someone shows it to them.

@DoubleDD

It is all puzzling, but I just don't believe anyone is doing anything illegal.