Great minds think alike. I was calling him Drago all game to my significant other!!!!
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Zaga, UNC and U.K. are the most dangerous for KU, now that Stumpy choked as usual.
We need to BEAT Marsha.
WE NEED TO BEAT HIM BADLY ENOUGH THE KOCHS WANT TO GIVE THEIR BITUMEN BONES TO A KU ASSISTANT LIKE NORM, KURTIS, OR SNACKS!
We need to let ALL of Marsha's players attack our guys elbows with their noses.
We need PAYBACK!!
On second thought, the best thing would be to win the ring this season and have a KU VICTORY PARADE--a motorcade--that starts in Lawrence, drives to Wichita, circles through that miserable excuse for a campus of WSU, goes twice around Marsha's house and then goes back to AFH!!!!!!
I felt like that was a good one as I typed it...for those of us old enough to recall her name! 😄
@Fightsongwriter said:
Bill Self is great at making adjustments, most other coaches stand there frustrated yelling a lot. Painter was one of those coaches. Game, set, match.
This is soooooooooo accurately and succinctly it that I had to copy and paste it.
You distilled the game perfectly!!!!!
Painter looked like so many coaches do that play Self a second time and think they have him all figured out. He makes a bunch of unexpected but not readily recognizable adjustments and moves and before you know it, it is deer-in-headlight eyes time for the other coach. I have never seen another coach since Wooden flat out baffle other coaches in games and have them completely unknowing about how they are getting beaten.
Oregon played the game Self and Painter wanted: 69 to 68. But Painter tried to go for the big lead when he got his first lead early by trying to keep an up tempo game going, so Self took what Painter gave and shot and stripped Painter's team off the floor. Self couldn't really let up pace either, since Purdue had so many great trifectates and Painter was to rigid to adjust to Self's backside stripping of the Purdue bigs. But Self got Landen big rest, and did you see how fresh Frank and Devonte looked in the post game? No sweat. Easy breathing. Frank pretty much took the last 6 minutes off the game either on auto pilot or off the floor. Self let everyone take turns driving the whole game, so no one got gassed. Hell, Svi at 19 minutes never broke a sweat and neither did Vick at 24. Frank and Devonte and Josh divided all the hard work, and the wing Composite of Svi/Vick allowed the other three a bunch of time off. I know it apparently didn't look like it to many, but go back and watch how few guys were involved in the transition off strips and then notice how the strips were spread around. This was a masterpiece of countering a faster pace than Self would have liked. I don't know how he did it, but he found a way to rest guys in a high possession game. It started with the kind of defense they played. Lane jumping and stripping early in a shot clock takes much less energy than getting down and guarding 30 seconds. Think back. Purdue had incredibly few long possessions the entire game. KU played very short bursts of defense most possessions. Painter got schooled big time. He won't forget. He needs to get way more flexible in his thinking. He never adjusted his team to Self's backside stripping after the half; that's really why KU could blow them out. Painter will learn, though. He's a smart guy. He just ran into THE GENIUS!!!!
Funny I was too nice to say that to you.
But I thought it for flipping sure.
Howling!!!
Have a great day!
It really was two distinct games, wasn't it?
Game 1 KU couldn't hit squat and and all it's stripping barely kept it in the game.
Game 2 KU couldn't miss, KU kept stripping, Purdue couldn't make, and Purdue imploded into a black hole.
IT WAS INCREDIBLY GLORIOUS BASKETBALL KU PLAYED THE SECOND GAME!!!
But it's also a warning what to expect, if KU blows cold for a half or a whole game even once in the next (hopefully) three games.
Curtains.
Nice try.
Last night I was compassionate because you were euphoric.
Today it's cold water time.
Self could have pulled his starters 5-8 minutes before he did, if he had a normal bench.
He rested them absolutely as much as he could and any good backups he had played big minutes. You lose. Next.
KU Stripping was quite a surprise from a team that hadn't stripped much this season.
You know you got fooled. Self rested them running. The box score doesn't lie. You do, if you don't acknowledge the numbers.
It's hard to believe cuz it looked fast, but at the end of the game it was all strips and shooting percentage and low PT and long bench.
This is why Self is so hard to beat. He masks what he's doing all the time.
You'll come down from the trip tomorrow and see the box score.
P..S.: I never said what Self would do. I said what Self and Painter should do. They should have done what Michigan and Oregon did do. Kept it in the 60s, but Painter got carried away the first half when he jumped out to a early lead, as I said both coaches would try to do and blew his lead. Then like a fool he did not anticipate Self's adjustment to a backside double the second half. Then KU caught fire shooting and Self just let everyone take turns driving with the other guys resting in transition so to speak. It was an amazing display of coaching and playing. Did you see Frank and Devonte weren't even a little tired at the end of the game? This was hot shooting, lane jumping (which is less taxing than really guarding hard for a shot clock) and stripping. Notice how little of the shot clock Purdue used? KU completely suckered them!
Nope, LOL! You sound like Matt Painter. Painter had no clue what Self was doing to him. Neither did you. Neither did I till I looked at the box score afterwards.
Self was resting players right and left, off the floor and on. We were just hot as hell and he let'em keep shooting and stripping because Purdue's three ballers could have gotten hot.
But I understand your euphoria.
Self fooled me too till i looked at the box score.
23 minutes from Coleby and Bragg.
24 minutes from Vick.
That was our long bench tonight for sure.
No one over 35 minutes. Sweeeeeeeet time management and saving the legs for Oregon.
Self also was letting everyone take turns driving so Frank basically had a LIGHT night of driving.
Self had his cake and ate it too tonight!!!!
53% trifectation and lane jumping lets you rest some players.
The rest had to play, but even they did not have to go 38-39 as usual.
Self is a genius!!!!!
@Lulufulu OMFG x 10
Lane jumping, stripping, 53% trifectation, and massively outrebounding Purdue, plus 8 minutes of the best baketball ever played by a KU team equal a blow out of Big Ten Chump-ian Purdue.
Add a Vick 360 dunk and more strips than Gypsy Rose Lee and you have one of the greatest tournament blow out wins against a good team I can recall.
Every cylinder was firing perfectly and Self decided to Rev the engine to redline on game 1 of this weekend.
Self must have figured Oregon's multiple defenses guaranty a low possession second game.
But Self did sub a lot vs. Purdue. Self got 23 minutes out of Coleby and Bragg and 24 min out of Vick!!!! Thus Self cheated the high possession game with resting "some" legs.
No KU player played more than 35 minutes and Lucas only played 20, and Svi only 19 minutes.
Self was a magician yet again!
Self used little players to outrebound a much bigger team with two genuine studs on the blocks. How does KU +7 on the glass sound?!!!!!
But it was the 53% trey shooting and the passing-lane-jumping, strip-them-silly (9 steals) defense that also forced 16 Purdue turnovers that stole the show and blew Purdue into more pieces than a boiler under too much pressure for 40 minutes!
One of the greatest KU performances ever!
It's not what I want. It's never about me except with conspiracy theory smearing. It's about what the coaches want.
They each face a choice.
The best thing would be a low possession game with max effort expended the last 10 minutes; that leaves them strongest for game two.
If either starts to get blown out, then it's balls to the walls to live to fight another day.
Still struggling, eh?
A win will help.
I think the chance of a flat earth is greater than coaches only thinking about one game at a time.
I mean why would coaches lie about planning for multiple opponents?
Do you recall that the US military drew up war plans for every possible opponent, including Great Britain, during the 1930s?
They weren't just worrying about Germany.
Now you are getting pitiful, brother @mayjay, like a hooked fish that cannot get free.
Face it, coaches think more than one game at a time.
Acceptance of truth will rejuvenate you.
Oh and you left out the part about the apparent petroshoeco-agency complex's team of ringers. Memphisto was playing ringers. That was documented, wasn't it?
KU beat a bunch of ringers!
Or has the MSM in NY even rewritten that?
Zero hour reset or bust!
Yeeeeee hawwwwww, brother @mayjay, its good to be a mythical bird!!!! Win or lose in the March Carney!!!!
Step right up, step right up, we have a WINNAH!
Howling!
It is the worrying and fan focus, that make us all KU's 16th man, or whatever!!
I worry.
Everyone does.
We are not like many fan bases.
We know our daddy.
We know reality.
The truth is not dead here in the basketball monestery on the shore of the sea of grass.
If beauty walks a razor's edge, truth walks a laser beam at a 1 micron setting here in basketball Shangri La, under the rain and reign of MSM lies TRYING to turn our culture to ZERO HOUR for a restart.
Here. Now. Lawrence. Always.
Under the center jump circle, far under Naismith court, the basketball grail rests, guarded, but always in peril.
Rock Chalk!!!!
Don't believe me that the coaching staff tthinks ahead ?
Don't believe the coaches quotes that say they do?
Having a little pre game belief issues, eh?
Remember what Coach Self said when we were down against Memphis in 2008 and pissed off one entire axis of the petroshoeco-agency complex by beating their team of "ringers" for the national championship?
Believe.
@ralster said:
I didnt see tired legs in those last 4min of that grinder against MichSt,
They looked fresh beginning to ending both games.
The team went out early in the B12 tourney and the extra rest seemed to help them quite a lot.
That advantage may lessen or disappear this week returning to the 2 in 3 routine each weekend.
Painter has a tough choice.
Slow it down to save his shooters legs for the last 10 minutes of both games to help his team win two, and face a killer KU team down the stretch with fresh legs.
Or speed it up and substitute and hope to tire the shooting legs of a seven man team.
Painter should start fast and see if KU blows cold after two 40% shooting games. If KU is cold, he should build a lead running for 10 minutes, then slow and defend it Self style.
If KU were hot, run and sub until KU loses its shooting legs....if they do.
KU wins if shooting well, loses if not.
Purdues inside scoring gives them a chance to win even if they blow cold outside.
Bottom line though is KU JUST HAS TO PLAY SOLID TO WIN, while Purdue needs to play its best.
PURDUE needs an early lead to win.
KU would like an early lead, but doesn't have to have one.
Both teams will stretch defenses to max.
This is a fascinating matchup.
Self needs to win AND play Vick, Coleby and Bragg a lot to maximize second game chances.
Painter needs the same for his team.
Sprint is our friend.
Zebras could tip it.
If they don't allow bang Ball we are gold.
If the don't like Josh, we could turn to tin.
But KU wins it.
U r welcome.
We are a frontier people living on a digital frontier making it up as we go.
Sometimes u maybe dealing with closing envy of others.
You have the best closing line of any!
I will personally kick the gametes off any one that grieves you here.
Seriously, it can be tough sledding here at times. I get whittled down to a soap on a rope hobbit from time to time. But damn, l enjoy how little profanity and amateur-Fanity is used here.
Remember, Jesus had some temper.
Best advice is ignore brickbats and keep learning.
Howling!
"Proverbs has good wisdom in it, and it says "a gentle answer turns aside wrath".--@wissox
I agree, dammit!
Way to go, BILL SELF for defending Frank against insouciant broadcasting!!!!!!
Lutz probably can't spell "Momma hit me with a dumb stick!"
Rumor is he auctioned off the space on his forehead and will wear a swoosh tattoo above his eyebrows
PHOF
PHOF
Thank you dear. Appreciate the assist!!!
When we play big brawny teams we like to transition quite bit--to strip and run, to disrupt. Athleticism burns energy. If we don't sub a lot, or hold down the trips, we lose our shooting legs the second half of the second game.
Both Kansas and Purdue coaches should want a low possession game, so their teams will be fresh for the second game in three days. They should also want to substitute as much as possible and avoid injury. If a team finds itself unable to win any other way than playing balls to the wall's, then it will play it all out. But since both coaches understand that conserving energy for the second game is in their mutual interest, regardless of who wins, there is a strategic tendency to play a low possession game if possible.
I am not sure why this is such a sticking point. You have to win six games, not one game, to win a ring. It does not do any good to try to just win one game, If the way you win means you can't win the next game. It's not much more complicated than that.
The ONLY thing we should focus on is winning that game. Anything else is silly.
--@HawkChamp
This is why I am glad.Bill is our coach. Bill worries about both games and the Final Four and keeps the players focused on whatever he thinks needs doing in the game to win 2 games in 3 days. Fans wanting Bill to focus on one game could get us sideways quickly.
I am not sure if they were chumps, but they did ask me your kind of question. Just sayin'.
And I was hardly a hustler. I used to play with some hustlers in the summer time. Real hustlers are very hard to pick out. It's kind of a mandatory requirement of the trade. If you're easy to pick out, you're not a real hustler,
@ et al
The reason KU looked so good last weekend was they had serval days rest. They played better defense than they have in the last two months. Their perimeter defense actually looked like Bill self defense. Can they keep that up two games in a row playing seven deep leaving it all on the floor against Purdue? I think they have to shorten one of the two games. I think it will be Purdue . I think they will try to run for five minutes, and then grind for the next 25 minutes I don't know Painter well enough to know what he will do. If I were him, I would make us run for 40 minutes, no matter how far ahead we got for brief stretches. Run for you and match them 343 and they will have to keep playing they're top seven. Hey you stop hitting threes with 10 to go, because of tired legs. It's Perdues best chance. And if to you shirts 30% from three as they are likely to do, Purdue walks out with a W . Unless self pulls out a hat rabbit. Best way for KU to win is foul up the Purdue big man and out rebound them
Again, give the book back that says you don't think ahead 😄
@justanotherfan said:
The point is this. Anybody still playing right now is good enough to beat you if you get ahead of yourself.
Nope, the point is anybody still playing that can't plan out how to win it all doesn't.
Almost the worst thing anyone can do is frig their time away trying to stay in the moment.
There is only one brief time when you want to be in the moment of a basketball game. That is once the tip starts.
Every great leader, general, CEO, and Coach I ever met was among the most compulsive planners, tireless strategizes, and wily devils of all my acquaintances.
Where you get the notion that you shouldn't be planning ten moves ahead astounds me.
Players play in the moment.
Great coaches plan every season out long before it even starts.
One of the reasons fans used to get so upset with Self is because they did not understand that he planned the season and planned the next six to ten games in a hundred times the detail the fans use talking about a game even AFTER its been played.
What ever book lead you to believe you don't want to get ahead of yourself as a coach, CEO, General, or any other capacity of leadership, demand your money back!!!!
"I paid for most of my beer in college by shooting pool with players that kept thinking about the next shot instead of the one at hand. "
@JayHawkFanToo
Funny, I paid for a big chunk of my tuition and books playing guys like you. I used to lie to them and I only think about this shot. I'm not good enough to plan ahead. Howling!
It would be easier, if that were so.
But Self plays all two game sets to win both and so he tends to fudge one game, or the other.
If KU goes all out for 40 vs. Purdue with 6 or 7 guys in an 80 point game it should easily win.
But it's shooting legs will be gone the last ten minutes of each half of the elite eight game.
KU beats long, talented teams with lots of chopping in half court, the long ball, lots of transition, and intense pressure defense. Take away any of those and KU can quickly default to the team WVU ran out of the gym.
The elite eight team will require all of the above, unless they have to leave it all on the floor for the 16. And the elite eight opponent will likely be deeper..
For KU To leave it all on the floor vs Purdue almost guaranties a loss the next game.
But I don't know if this team can sand bag Purdue and win. IF WE GET BEHIND PURDUE THEIR COMBO OF BANG BALL AND INSIDE OUT PLAY COULD SPELL CURTAINS.
This is when even Self is between a rock and a hard place.
It's also when he is often at his most clever
He left it on the floor vs UNC in 2008 semis the first half, and defended the lead and conserved the second half, so his team had something left for Memphis. He might try THAT again.
It is going to be thrilling to watch what hat rabbit he pulls out.
Purdue is good.
KU is going to get another dose of B10 Bang Ball in the Sweet 16 vs. Purdue in the first game of the 2 in 3 format.
Bang Ball will be a drain KU for the Elite Eight game, if KU makes it.
Thus, Self faces some choices related to the two in three format.
Self tends to long bench, slow tempo, and no-amp the lesser of the 2 opponents in 3 days.
Other coaches have copied Self increasingly.
The idea is to match your better effort to the better team, and try to find a way to squeak by the lesser team.
The choice is usually clear, but not for the faint hearted to make.
As I said, Purdue is good. As experienced as we are. NOT a good match up. Big, strong scorers and boarders inside that challenge our size and questionable depth inside. Shooters as good as ours outside. They like physical half court play. We like our athleticism weaving and chopping in half court and squirting in transition.
If ever their were a game we needed to transition, guard hard, shoot well and amp up, this seems like one.
But....
There is a better team coming two days later.
Thus no amp for Purdue.
Thus only a few squirts of transition.
Thus shorten the game the first 30 and lengthen the bench inside especially the first half and some the second half.
KU could definitely lose to Purdue playing this way.
But if KU doesnt, KU's shooting legs will give out the second game even to an opponent less good than Purdue.
The gamble is Painter will let us do the above and do the same thing, since his team will desperately need its shooting legs the second game to and Purdue favors a slower pace.
But Painter may go balls to walls because KU will be the better of the two teams Purdue would face.
And so Self and KU may have to prepare for both. KU may start out trying to shorten the first 30, to save the energy budget for game 2. But if Painter let's it all hang out, KU may have to shift in all out mode: short bench, up tempo, and Self becoming explosive in the huddle and sidelines for an in game amp.
I haven't studied the likely second game opponents, but Self and his JSOC team are going to need all their wiles and nerve to get through this weekend.
And then some.
Sorry I missed your comment on the other thread. Glad you weighed in here, too.
Agree the move of Lucas forward could help.
Two superb outside shooting teams do not at first seem suggestive of junk-zoning.
But...
The Swanigan-Jackson match-up discussed extensively on another thread triggered a thought.
Both teams could see each of their guys in this matchup get fouled up, if they solely play m2m.
Then what do they do?
Self's 3-2 junk zone is ideally suited for KU to play Purdue. They will go inside first every possession. Self can play it with Josh and when he rests Josh. It means backside help for Josh on a big inside. It means our perimeter guys stretch and matchup 23-26 feet out. If we keep switching m2m to 3-2 zone, back and forth, they have recog problems. It works with Coleby and Bragg, when Josh sits.
Only problem is, the 3-2 junk zone is even more perfect for Purdue to guard KU with.
This could be a real game of wits if both teams mirror each other this way.
The balance-breaker could be KU with 10 min. to going to a press to speed up Purdue.
Yes, but I don't know if JJ can stop him, from scoring or offensive rebounding.
On the other end, I don't know if Swanigan can stop JJ outside and driving, unless JJ can't hit the Trey.
Inference: whichever player avoids getting fouled up is going to have a huge game.
Both coaches will be trying to foul up these players.
Over the season, the refs seem to favor Swanigan over Josh.
But I never bet against Josh.
Going to be a GREAT game. I think Purdue will be our toughest matchup of the tournament outside North Carolina.
I know, but it comes up when I click recent! 😱😄
I am officially dry washing about KU shooting back below 40% after two 40% games. I had cold sweats last night.
The only way I got.back to sleep was repeating "In Frank we trust, in Frank we trust...."
You HAVE to change this headline. I keep nearly infarcting each time I see it thinking something bad happened to our beloved birds.