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A Fan's Odyssey • Jul 12, 2018 12:13 AM

@nwhawkfan

U made the right decision, if you like 45-60 and boats.

Don’t ever waste a second with complaints that something isn’t what it was.

NOTHING IS.

Great people doing great things make great places.

If Berlin and Hiroshima can overcome what happened to them, Seattle will get around congestion.

Been there many times on work and pleasure and love the variety. Anacortes. Redmond. Bellevue. Seattle. All good. Better than before. Just get used to being a high value WMD target if push ever comes to shove. 😀

Every place gets panned unless it’s targeted for a load more development.

LA and NY have been give up for hopeless half a dozen times each and they are now better than ever.

Seattle will be fine.

You just have to handle the grey.

Svi will become Lebron's Steve Kerr. • Jul 11, 2018 11:56 PM

@Crimsonorblue22
If ever there were a foreign project worth developing for 5 years anywhere, he is it.

With a trey, he would be an NBA ALL STAR.

Svi will become Lebron's Steve Kerr. • Jul 11, 2018 11:54 PM

@wrwlumpy

Will Svi later coach and revolutionize the NBA, too?

Go, Svi, go!!!!

KU/TUCKY ...THE 2 BEST TEAMS • Jul 11, 2018 11:50 PM

@justanotherfan

Thx for the summary of UK. Very informative.

Now, why do you believe UK (and Duke?) have roughly 1/5 the OADs they had for a few years a few years back?

Here are a few lobs to get you in motion and so have an excuse to do some thinking out loud for us.

Have Cal and Konsonants become viewed by the young and their posses, as declining talents too old for coaching?

Or is PT coming back into fashion (which begs the question why did it ever go out of fashion?)?

Or are certain coaches finding 9-10 OADs triggering uncomfortable appearances in the era of investigations apparently timed with a Rice Commission, and so a tandem event some insiders might had considerable forewarning of, right ?

Or is Bill Self the evil doer some wish to smear him as?

Or is adidas paying assistant coaches and players representatives, while Self somehow maintains some kind of plausible deniability? Is it more than what Sean Miller reputedly (but not yet proven in court I guess) offered in a phone call and UK and Duke and AU simply suddenly can not compete with evil KU?

Or did Nike blunt adidas’ attack for market share and so apparent force concentration of players in certain programs would now be overkill and unnecessary?

What goes on here? Most likely?

It’s increasingly confusing to me the longer the REPUTED FBI-DOJ INVESTIGATION apparently intended to clarify by legal remedy victimization of schools (?) lingers in the shadows beyond the news for layman.

Is there some kind of an ALT BASKETBALL RIGHT that cleaved the apparent Nike dominance (Nike summer team rosters comprising something like 80 % of Top 100 players at one time) the way Trump, Sheldon, Mercer and Bibi seemed to have done to the Repub and Dem and the reputed NeoLib-NeoCon uni-policy wonks in politics?

Or are we witnessing “underhype,” as it appeared we saw with Nova last season, when only 2 of 6 Novatrifectates were reputedly ranked Top 75 talent, but 4 reputed sub 75ers could combine with the 2 Top 75ers and rather handily outshoot, our guard and out rebound teams brimming with Top 75 talent? Is UK REALLY stacked and do some hypothetically asymmetrically inaccurate rankings obscure it?

Or are we supposed to go back to now quaint “the invisible hand” of the market place explanations, despite heavy market subsidy and regulation, and amidst a REPUTED FBI-DOJ INVESTIGATION into apparent player channeling by perhaps some petroshoeco officials?

Or are we to throw it all against the wall and guess parts of all of it may stick?

It’s getting so the only thing we dare probably look forward to (rue?) is a Nike-EST winner in the Carney next April.

Is there anything coherent going on here that you can unsnag for us?

Vick Coming Back • Jul 05, 2018 01:18 PM

@HighEliteMajor

Thx again for further clarification.

KU/TUCKY ...THE 2 BEST TEAMS • Jul 05, 2018 01:41 AM

Anytime UK has less than six OADs, KU is a threat to throttle them.

What’s the OAD count in Stillville this coming season?

< 10

< 6

< 5

<4

< 3

< 2

< 1

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 10:19 PM

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

You are forgetting that Jaybate never lets the facts get in the way of his fantasyland stories.

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@JayHawkFanToo = 🤥

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 07:49 PM

BShark said:

jaybate 1.0 said:

BShark said:

jaybate 1.0 said:

Self gets things wrong all the time.

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All the time?

Do you realize how foolish such an over generalization appears?

As foolish as anyone that assumes he always gets it right.

Still waiting for Larry Brown quotes on Vick being a PG. I scoured the internet, found nothing. Maybe I've simply missed it. :thinking:

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But of course I dont.

U always leave the best part out.

😂

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 07:06 PM

BShark said:

jaybate 1.0 said:

Self gets things wrong all the time.

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All the time?

Do you realize how foolish such an over generalization appears?

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 07:03 PM

@approxinfinity

Yes, when he arrived, everyone talked about how limited his skills as a PG were.

UNDEFEATED SEASON???? • Jul 04, 2018 04:54 PM

wissox said:

Vick makes me much more confident. We have a lot of new pieces to the puzzle this year and we're just not sure how it's all going to work together. Some of the comments I've seen here have been Dedric was very unathletic, Charlie Moore isn't good enough, the freshmen might just be freshmen, Desousa might not play, etc.

Of course Bill Self has a great track record of taking new starting lineups to great heights.

1/PHOF (fractionalization of PHOF for you!) 😂

UNDEFEATED SEASON???? • Jul 04, 2018 04:52 PM

HighEliteMajor said:

I think Vick aids the three point shooting issue. And it gives us another potential superstar. His addition is of greater impact than most are assuming.

We have one of the two best rosters in CBB. And I’d take ours.

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In the kingdom of the one-eyed, the two-eyed man is king.

Thanks for retaining your binocular vision!

Vick is a HUGE addition.

Will LeBron and Lakers Sign with Puma? • Jul 04, 2018 04:44 PM

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jaybate-1.0

Considering that LeBron signed a “lifetime” contract with Nike in 2016 considered to be the biggest ever awarded by Nike and worth over $1B, the answer is no...and you can do your own research.

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You aren’t serious about the lifetime contract being an impediment, are you?

You don’t seriously think $1B is a ceiling, do you?

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 04:34 PM

I heard all this same talk, when Self went with Tyshawn.

Never happen.

Then he went with him.

Never work. Bad handles.

Then he handled.

Never work. Too soft and sensy.

Then he grew up.

Not a good enough shooter.

Then he shot 40% most of the season.

Won’t last.

Then he lead the team to the Finals.

Won’t make it in the pros.

Lasted a few years and done.

See, I told you so.

There are great players.

Some pass the eye test and create comfort.

Some are “different” and trigger discomfort.

Tyshawn Taylor wasn’t a conventional point guard that made fans comfortable. He took a lot of on the job training. But for that team he was the perfect point guard. They got to the finals and would have beaten any non stack team for the ring.

Self probably would rather have had a conventional PG that could. Make the team better than Tyshawn could. But he didn’t have one.

Looking at this season, whether Vick plays point depends on whether Self has someone more conventional that by season’s end will make the team better than taking a big gamble on Vick learning to lead would make the team.

Self doesn’t take the lower risk approach unless it leads somewhere better.

Vick at point makes this team the best it could be, if Vick can master himself.

Self has a tough call.

Everyone wants Vick “on a short leash” taking the treys and being what they already know—the domestique 2. They want Vick to be better at what they know.

Fans always want more of what they know.

They didn’t want the highschool 2 Frank from Towson at KU, much less the point.

They didn’t the highschool 2 Marquette decommit Tyshawn as starting point.

And so on

Fortunately, Self chooses what makes the team the best it can be and embraces the uncomfortable unknown when the risk/return tradeoff warrants it. He puts up with the fans addicted to the known.

Vick may never see a second at the point this season, but only if someone else at point makes the team have greater potential.

Self would not hesitate to give Vick the keys, if he thought the return was worth the risk of the unknown.

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 03:56 PM

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

If Vick plays PG this year I will be shocked and concede the point to JB. I see no reason, however, to believe he is "primed for a great 4th season at the point". Tyshawn and Devonte had minutes played at PG before their SR year.

I don't think your gonna have to be worrying about conceding anything buddy - -Vick will not be playing any PG - not even close for his Senior year. - If he does you will then see me become the pope in the near future lol.

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Hail Mary

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 03:55 PM

BShark said:

If Vick plays PG this year I will be shocked and concede the point to JB. I see no reason, however, to believe he is "primed for a great 4th season at the point". Tyshawn and Devonte had minutes played at PG before their SR year.

Vick wing point initiated last season, brought the ball up some, and guarded everyone. He was a good passer. He can get to the rim. He will fight a buzz saw. And he can shoot outside, when not in a funk.

His defense guards ties he starts somewhere.

His shot alone guaranties he wing point initiates a lot this season.

If he learns command presence he IS the PG, and we put up with him learning to run a team but if he can’t get control of his appearance, body language and stability, then he will be on the wing.

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 03:46 PM

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jaybate-1.0 Did you see Vick's handles last year, worse than EJ's who was listed as a PG coming out of HS. Vick was also listed as a shooting guard by every major recruiting service. Are you saying that all the recruiting sites were lying to everyone about what position Vick played because the evidence sure doesn't point that way.

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No, I’m saying Bill and LB think he has point guard potential and they trump the nobs you refer to. 😀

When Bill said he wasn’t a PG he was apparently saying yet, and in any conventional sense.

Next, Vick looked frustrated part of last season. The guy clearly wants to play the point and likely came to KU at Larry’s suggestion to do so, when things got sticky in Dallas for whatever reason.

Vick is a stunning talent. Board rats have to forget this bad handles nonsense. Tyshawn, Frank, EJ all had bad handles. Handles come with development. Handles often look bad when you are playing out of position. Vick has Speed like TT. An after burner like Frank. A trey gun like Devonte. Taller than any pg we’ve had. Able to play baseline or high against a zone. Able to guard anyone on the perimeter. He mastered the 2 last season before and after he went in his funk with Self’s toughening box time and his leg dragging injury.

Vick’s weakness is not handles. It’s his focus and sustaining it. It’s his difficulty with adopting and controlling command presence to lead. Self apparently questioned all of that and dared him to become what he wasn’t, and Vick cracked for a while. Big deal. Self cracks guys all the time.

This team desperately needs Vick and he needs them.

Vick will play some point for sure. The question is how much? A lot or a little. It depends on Vick deciding if he wants to make the ultimate sacrifice and become a team leader PG between his ears, not just below the neck. Becoming a leader is very tough for some.

Vick can help the team as a domestique 2 again. But he can make it great if he were to become the point that Larry foresaw.

Vick may fail the test. He appears to be very idiosyncratic. But great talent that coincidentally would be exactly what the team needs; that kind of player has to be gambled on for the team to reach its full potential.

Self tends to take such risk.

Vick Coming Back • Jul 04, 2018 03:15 PM

@BShark

Thanks for the links. Now, do they indicate to you that Self will not convert players to point guards that were recruits defined by those sorts of links defined as shooting guards (I.e., Vick, Frank Mason and Tyshawn Taylor). They don’t lead me to that conclusion at all.

Frank Mason. Tyshawn Taylor.

See at @HighEliteMajor’s reference to Self’s comments on Vic, a player LB originally reputedly viewed as a PG prospect. LB and Self are HOF coaches. The links are to recruiting stories. Do you not see the difference?

Next, Self often plays players at other positions to round out their games and to get them on the floor with more experienced players at the position Self plans to play them at eventually.

Why does contemplating Vick at the point this year, at least swinging 1-2 the way Bill Self and Larry Brown have contemplated him stress you into inflexible thinking mode denying the realities of Bill and LB?

Vick likely would be a very effective point for certain kinds of schemes, especially for a team playing through a lot of big men, because of his stretching trey gun and because he is tall enough to make the entry pass “over the top” and the lob from wing, wing point, or point positions. Also, Vick would be ideal for long rebounding of all the treys our opponents will be taking in the trey ball era, especially against a team loaded with bigs. Finally, Vick with Moore as a credible Backup and part time tandem mate would be the best of all possible worlds. Moore could handle any short points too fast for Vick and with Vick and Moore in simultaneously it would KEEP OPPONENTS GUESSING WHICH WOULD INITIATE THE OFFENCE.

You seem to be being disputatious for no reason.

Come in. The water is fine.

Will LeBron and Lakers Sign with Puma? • Jul 04, 2018 02:24 PM

Fightsongwriter said:

@jaybate-1-0 Could a day be coming where there is a shoe co team up? An agreement where it's Nike on court and Puma off for the fashionista stuff.

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Interesting question.

In strategy, if you need an opponent and don’t have one, you create one.

And if you don’t have an ally, and need one, you create one.

Created Opponents and Created Allies are most often created on flanks desired to be taken and controlled in order to go after real enemies the newly controlled flank would contain.

Nike and Puma is conceivable.

But so is adidas and Puma.

And so is a Chinese brand (maybe not yet known to us) and Puma.

Will LeBron and Lakers Sign with Puma? • Jul 04, 2018 02:07 PM

HighEliteMajor said:

You all realize the title to this thread grabs the attention, and the post posed other questions, right? "Or is Nike defending that high ground by moving its big gun into place by the Hollywood sign?"

The question is whether Nike influenced the move to LA ... whether taking that big market with Lebron relates to Puma's insertion into the market.

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Some missed that last question.

Then when you called their attentions to it, insight did not follow as would be expected.

The question is why?

My post was not very long.

Nor was yours.

Will LeBron and Lakers Sign with Puma? • Jul 02, 2018 01:20 PM

In the one-eyed realm of global business, Puma appears to be being groomed to become the foot bridge spanning the high-glam worlds of high fashion, pro sports, music and film.

LA and Hollywood is the home of Big Agency.

Big Agency delivers the star talent needed to win big in the fields used to promote the products that dominate the world’s globalizing markets.

Lebron’s second Cleveland tenure apparently helped integrate a regional gaming biz with a credit system.

Now LeBron comes to LA—one of the world’s major centers for brand management and big agency at a high tide of the one-eyed, one-world private oligarchy’s tentacled reach.

A question arises: is Puma moving in for the kill in sports, or have the folks behind Puma allied with Nike?

Is Puma preying on the brand managing mecca’s high ground and getting ready to unveil LeBron as a new big cat?

Or is Nike defending that high ground by moving its big gun into place by the Hollywood sign?

Vick Coming Back • Jul 02, 2018 07:32 AM

BShark said:

jaybate 1.0 said:

Vick is the difference between a paper team and a real one.

Back when Brown found him, he was a future PG; then Self put him through the play-out-of-position at the 2-3 for 3 years. Board rats forget he is really a PG. Like Devonte and Tyshawn he is primed for a great 4th season at the point, after serving as domestique at the 2.

Vick at point would be cruel MUA most games!

Self will probably start out playing him as a sixth man at all perimeter positions to show Grimes and Dotson they aren’t ready.

Vick was never considered a PG. He was recruited as a 2/wing.

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Evidence please.

Next.

Vick Coming Back • Jun 30, 2018 07:11 AM

Vick is the difference between a paper team and a real one.

Back when Brown found him, he was a future PG; then Self put him through the play-out-of-position at the 2-3 for 3 years. Board rats forget he is really a PG. Like Devonte and Tyshawn he is primed for a great 4th season at the point, after serving as domestique at the 2.

Vick at point would be cruel MUA most games!

Self will probably start out playing him as a sixth man at all perimeter positions to show Grimes and Dotson they aren’t ready.

Wendall Carter's Mom vs Coach K • Jun 28, 2018 05:41 PM

@BeddieKU23

It’s also not nothing to miss out on a few hundred thousand informal consideration bones one was informally promised. Try welching on $200k with IRS, or organized crime, or just your average everyday multinational or private oligarch and see if they say, “Fuggeddabout it. No problema.”

We are talking significant considerations. Only the Pentagon and certain government agencies ignore this size of short changing in consideration and they only sometimes.

Wendall Carter's Mom vs Coach K • Jun 28, 2018 02:16 PM

@BeddieKU23

The “informal consideration” at the major college level is apparently so large that some parents fight for their child to keep receiving it, especially if it looks like their kid might not be good enough for the NBA.

The players and parents at elite programs appear to be getting at least $100-200k to sign and so one would guess that continues each year of play with some exit kicker also for the 4 year players.

On Another Board • Jun 28, 2018 04:22 AM

BShark said:

@mayjay I suppose insane is pretty vague. :grinning:

Actually it’s it’s false accuracy that betrays it, right?

On Another Board • Jun 28, 2018 04:21 AM

mayjay said:

BShark said:

Banning for anything other than posting things against site rules (ie posting porn or something insane) or perpetually attacking/threatening other members is a dangerous step, I'd say.

Better retract the "or something insane" thing, or a lot of us are at risk. I have seen a lot of crazy things here (and posted some)!

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I have seen the best minds of several basketball generations here starving, hysterical naked
Angry for a hoops fix....

—Allen Ginzbate 1.0

Still, incredibly human stuff is posted here and often found it insightful and the goofy stuff utterly unimpactful.

It’s so Neo-Authoritarian to obsess on the silly stuff written on the net—to fret and stew as if it mattered.

Most nuts I have read (or met) appeared far more harmless than the authoritarian-sociopaths that rationalized persecuting and experimenting on them.

I really would worry less about nuts posting online than those trying to use them for excuses to muzzle the net and limit the explanations of what the reputed Deep State does.

Authoritarian evil doers in the former USSR set a rather high standard for weaponizing insanity against their own people; i.e., for controlling the explanations that their enslaved proletariatian victims could be allowed to consider.

Let us hope our beloved country’s authoritarian types in the MSM-reported Deep State don’t franchise St. Elizabeth’s into every converted Walmart, when the population-income demographics only support a REX camp. 😄

Insanity should be a diagnosis of mental illness, rather than a mil-int depatterning excuse, or smear tactic, right?

Uh, Right?

No matter.

Thoughts of a dull head in windy spaces.

Sincerely, Gerontibate 1.0

On Another Board • Jun 27, 2018 03:31 PM

BShark said:

Banning for anything other than posting things against site rules (ie posting porn or something insane) or perpetually attacking/threatening other members is a dangerous step, I'd say.

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The subjective value vagaries of defining porn is reputedly historically one of the backdoors used by authoritarian evil doers to justify furthering control of explanations.

I wonder if history likely will add “internet bullying” and “politically correct speech” to “conspiracy” and “conspiracy theory” and “pornography”, as backdoors reputedly used by authoritarian evil doers to constrain the available explanations?

On Another Board • Jun 27, 2018 03:19 PM

Shills and bots using memes and other rhetorical techniques to destabilize sites, smear other aliases and set up site admins and aliases up for recent and upcoming changes in internet regulation aimed to retake control of allowed explanations seems authoritarianism run amok yet again.

TOP 10 4 year players under Self • Jun 27, 2018 02:28 PM

@KUSTEVE

Sherron/RR/Sasha/DBlock.

They won rings.

TOP 10 4 year players under Self • Jun 27, 2018 02:20 PM

Imagine how great Brady would have been in a 4-1 offense!

@HighEliteMajor would have been his biggest fan!!!

TOP 10 4 year players under Self • Jun 27, 2018 02:15 PM

DanR said:

Big omission not having Tyler Self on the list. We won nearly every time that kid was on the floor at the end of the game.

PHOF

On Another Board • Jun 27, 2018 02:01 PM

@approxinfinity

I’ve heard of a reputed hyper alias kicked off another board for using too many memes. I recall it was named @CPerch. Get this: it offered to join the first board that would comp it a pair of virtual petroshoes that fit its AI profile. Go figure!

No wait. I’m joking.

.

Five Big Questions • Jun 27, 2018 09:45 AM

Bwag said:

@jaybate-1.0 pessimistic much? Or does Self take this mess and polish it into wins?

I have made my journey always with both great optimism recognizing what works AND fittingly corrosive pessimism recognizing the mountains of confused thinking covered with avalanches of yellow and brown snow!

KU wins title. No ring.

Been busy moving for a week and will.be still rest of this week. Obviously will take the time to address the flurry of specious posting above as dust settles and old muscles recover while drinking Old Fasioned in new pool.

Is anyone suggesting Self gets only untalented players? I don’t recall so.

It does not appear to me that Self builds teams without good players and some seasons without 1-2 nearly as good as anyone’s.

Two questions have nagged based on appearances: a.) why can certain coaches sign so many more OADs without appearing to be sharply better coaches; and b.) why so many more OADs at the 1 and 5 so often?

Next, regarding specifi comparisons with Roy, Self appears at least to be significantly better than Roy based on comparison of their performances at KU for several performance factors. Bill won a ring at KU and Roy didn’t, Bill has won at a slightly higher percentage at KU than Roy, and Bill has won sharply more consecutive conference titles at KU than Roy did. And Bill did most all of the above without what has appeared a long Nike relationship Roy has appeared to have enjoyed.

And frankly, regarding K and Cal, I don’t recall Self has ever had 6 (UK in 2012), 9 (Duke), or 10 (UK) OADs even once, so Bill getting to the 2012 Finals without a McD, or to the 2018 FF without an eligible OAD suggest he appears better than guys that need 6-10 OADs to “getter done,” right?

I don’t recall Bill ever has signed and gotten eligible more than three OADs per recruiting season all these years! Am I forgetting?

He has never EVEN had a single OAD 5!!!

Heck, Bill has never signed a single OAD 1 that was not a decommit from a troubled program till this very season, right?

And yet Bill is winning at a near or higher percentage than K and Cal over his KU tenure, right?!!!

And he is doing all this with a shoe brand that at most reputedly has summer game teams that reputedly only have something like 20% of the top 100, right?

He just seems soooooo much better than Roy, Konsonants, and Cal based on what his apparent lesser numbers of OAD/5-stars at the 1 and 5 over the years inflict on him.

If The Royals Sign Luke Heimlich • Jun 25, 2018 05:31 AM

@BShark

No, never heard of the guy. Haven’t followed baseball for several years. What horrible thing did he do?

@justanotherfan

Just curious? How many?

And are they among the intelligent ones?

Do the ones that keep all the lesser KU players hanging on in the NBA feel this way? Quite a few of them hanging on.

It apparently doesn’t apply to his better players.

That’s how I respond honestly.

Pat Riley liked how Chalmers was prepared. Won a couple rings.

The folks in Minnesota and Phillie seem satisfied. Sacramento has found places for Frank Mason, TRob, and so on at times.

We probably have as many guys hanging around the NBA that weren’t super highly ranked college recruits, as those that were.

The reality seems to be that the dissatisfied NBA guys hate getting exposed for not being able to get some guys to play at as high
of levels, as Self. Makes them look bad.

Others seem to get what they need.
Also, some probably don’t want to be replaced by Selfifhe jumps—probably the lesserones?

NOT!

Based on the NBA’s low and no drafting of KU players, either the NBA prefers NIKE’s middling players to adidas’ middling players (perish the thought, petroshoecos have no influence on recruiting) , or else Self appears to be coaching circles around the rest of the coaches at elite programs with lesser players and fewer good ones.

It is pathetic that the game’s greatest coach, bar none, is relegated to patching .820 records together mostly out of guys the NBA drafts low, or doesn’t draft, and and has to round out his rotations with guys the other elite programs don’t even sniff at.

Hell, even .600 Jay (prior to suddenly being able to sign 2 Top 75 players and 4 75-100 players that could shoot > 39% from three point land ) can now sign guys Self can’t sign.

Sickening state of recruiting asymmetry.

He can’t even restock three point shooters after a FINAL FOUR when all his trifectates graduate.

And are TPTB apparently PERHAPS trying to use the FEDs to make it even more asymmetric?

If Self keeps coaching another 10 years, will “the system” have him pared down to trying to win with DII transfers, while coaching with a blind fold?

No, wait, Self is a big time cheater! He will be PAYING DII players to come to KU!!!!

And he will be peaking under the blindfold!!

Massive cheater!

And so twisted he cheats to sign lesser players and players the NCAA gums up the eligibility of.

We know Self is a cheater, because. MU fans say so!!

Howling!!

Howling!

If The Royals Sign Luke Heimlich • Jun 24, 2018 05:35 PM

It will be quite a maneuver.

Five Big Questions • Jun 24, 2018 02:48 PM

HighEliteMajor said:

It's the end of June, and there are five big questions looming over the 2018-19 Kansas Jayhawks. We're projected to be a top five team, some have us as the number one team in the nation. Here's my top five questions -

1. Dedric Superstar?: No.

2. Moore Up Or Moore Down?: Starts and makes the “entry pass”. Lots of short treys in pre-con and con. None against Nike-EST in Carney.

3. DeSousa Eligible?: Since he is coming back, no victimization of KU, but since some one got paid, he gets “Prestonization” and never plays.

4. Backcourt Youth Ready?: It will take till late January to get consistency, and decide who is money under pressure. Then it will be a solid perimeter defensively that scores mostly on open look kicks.

5. Can We Drain The Three?: No.

This team is geared strictly to win another conference title. No long trey. Come Carney time, no short trey. Only one scoring big in Dedric, unless DaSousa plays. Mitch will be made to appear 1911 .45 against .500 teams, be .38 caliber against B12 good teams, but will be .22 caliber against the NIKE-EST. Udunka will make 60% of his dunks till Carney, then the refs will stop him cold. Marcus will be stronger and defend prison bodies and/or high scorers on the wing, when our two 5-Star Sushi are cannot and for 5 minute blows each half. That means Marcus sees 20 minutes every game minimum, and 30 when the Sushi get fouled up.

Everything beyond conference hinges on two things:

a.) does DaSousa play? and

b.) does anyone in the B12 field 3-6 > 39% trifectates?

If someone in the B12 catches 3point Fever, then KU likely loses the B12 to them. Not if not.

Ring talk is pipe dreaming.

Game Knows Game • Jun 20, 2018 06:01 PM

P.S.: Should Pierce be considered as a potential coach? Larry Bird stepped in as a coach and did well (not great), without much coaching experience. He stepped into management successfully also. Paul, despite his sleepy eyed look, seems a pretty savvy guy. And good things happen around him. And smart coaches and management have repeatedly put their trust in him as a player. Paul! KU will be looking for a coach down the road. You don't need the money, but you may need the competition and camaraderie. Maybe sign on as an assistant coach in the NBA and pull a Fred and come back to the alma mater, should an opportunity present itself. it can certainly spring board you back to the NBA, as Fred has shown. Manning seemed like a shoe in for awhile, but his W&L statement at Sleepless Forest may be putting a crimp into his potential for the KU job. Recruiting and clearing players with the NCAA at KU is a hellish gig, but when your plaque goes up in the HOF, wouldn't it be great to say you were among Naismith, Allen, Harp, Owens, Brown, Williams, and Self? Paul Pierce was one of KU's head coaches in addition to being an NBA Champion. Paul Pierce is the only player to win an NBA championship as a player, and NCAA championship as a coach, and an NBA championship as a coach. That puts you above all of them in accomplishment. Go for it, Paul. My late father was a great judge of human beings and basketball talent. He took one look at you in your first season and said you were going to be a great KU player and one day win a ring in the NBA. He would have thought this would be within your potential. He speaks through me from beyond. Go for it, Paul.

Moore • Jun 20, 2018 05:18 PM

dylans said:

@jaybate-1.0 Nova shot horriblily against TexasTech, 33% from the field and won. They got lucky that Tech wasn’t ready for the big stage. Otherwise the whole narrative changes.


Like so many that became conditioned to view events too often through the lens of "conspiracy" apparently because of the government's (or perhaps just the Deep State's imbedded agents in government, media and the academy, it is still hard to say which) long term propaganda/psy-op campaign of meming with "conspiracy theory", you appear to be becoming conditioned to view this event through what could turn out to be the government's (or Deep State's) psy-ops campaign of meming with "narrative".

Regardless, I SEE NO "NARRATIVE" HERE.

We are two persons discussing a Villanova basketball team's historical accomplishments. They really happened. They are not a narrative spun that can change.

What we infer from what happened, i.e., what Villanova accomplished, could be treated disingenuously as a "narrative" to be spun to fool you, or I, but I, at least, can assure you that that is NOT my intent. I am not trying to fool you with a narrative. I am exchanging posts with you about a real event and I am really trying to understand the drivers of its occurance. To reiterate for emphasis, there is no narrative here based on my actions. NONE.

Let me go a little further and add: ""narrative" seems increasingly to be for suckers" to my other epigram, i.e., "conspiracy IS for suckers, unless proven" and then generalize both as "psy-ops are for suckers in general." :-)

The above noted, NO offense/defense scheme can guaranty victory under all conditions. NONE. Not even John Wooden's, who on top of having won 10 NCAA championships in 11 years, also had FOUR undefeated seasons!!!!!! Wooden's UCLA teams were tripped up a number of times, even during his 11 year stretch of greatest success. But it would be silly to say that the narrative would be different, if he his team had shot poorly against a better team instead of the teams it shot poorly against. Right? The point is Wooden's coaching emphasized through endless indoctrination with the Pyramid of Success that a player had to be at his best when he needed his best and he had to strive to achieve competitive greatness regardless of how well, or poorly, things were going. Maybe Jay Wright, a .600 coach until recently, studied Wooden, or Self, a bit recently, and combined the insights gained with some savvy combining of complementary offensive and defensive strategies to produce a team that could beat another good team on a night that it shot only 33%, and to produce a team that could shoot much better against even better teams when that was needed? Maybe?

Either way, there is no need to assume, or inject, the concept of a "narrative" here.

That clarified, you appear to be misinterpreting the meaning of what NOVA accomplished with 33 percent shooting.

Their combination of offense and defense apparently made them (again without resort to narrative) so tough that they were able to beat TTech, a solid team that gave many good teams fits, EVEN when Nova shot ONLY 33 percent. Isn't that the accurate insight, when the talk about narratives is paired away?

The very fact of Nova's modest 33% shooting you sight refutes your own logic IMHO.

It appears to me that NOVA held such a huge edge in the number of proficient three point shooters and such a huge edge in inter-reinforcing offensive and defensive philosophies, given that edge in three point shooters, that it could find enough shooters that could make enough shots to win shooting only 33%, on another night when a team with only 2-3 trifectates might have fallen to 25%, because there just weren't any other trifectates to resort to.

I lack hard statistics for the following assertion, so I will couch it anecdotally: in my experience, often when teams that depend heavily on a particular kind of offensive productivity are denied that kind of offensive productivity, they are beaten by better, equal, and not infrequently by lesser teams, especially in the Carney. We see it in the early round upsets. A lesser team shoots lights out and a better team shoots under its average in its preferred scoring mode (i.e., inside, or outside scoring), and that combines with substandard FT performance (or a lack of fouls called generating below average FTAs) to yield an upset.

And, regardless, NOVA being beaten by TTech would hardly have been classified as an upset. TTech was pretty good, despite Self showing everyone how to beat TTech in KU's rematch with TTech that lead them to be much less successful than they had been earlier in the season after that exposure.

Here is the thing: Nova had sooooo many > 39% trifectates, including two that force opponents to have to pull their bigs at least 23 feet from the basket, that Nova was, game in and game out, able to:

a.) find at least a couple guys that could make a decent percentage from trey (remember 33% is about 50% standardized to 2-point shooting);

b.) shoot a large enough number of treys relative to its opponent to offset its own relative inaccuracy of 33%; and

c.) erode the opponents defensive rebounding (something TTech relied heavily on) by pulling its bigs out of the paint to guard Nova's bigs threatening to take any open look treys.

Game Knows Game • Jun 20, 2018 10:27 AM

@BShark

Best news in quite awhile. Pierce has a pile of know.

Moore • Jun 20, 2018 04:36 AM

dylans said:

A hot tre balling team can knock anyone from the tournament. The trick is winning when you are cold.

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I think Jay Wright showed there is a threshold total number of trey shooters—about six—that efffectively manages the risk of blowing cold.

Silvio • Jun 19, 2018 07:58 PM

@justanotherfan

I've written a number of responses building on what you said an trying to take it to another level, but have not suitably persuaded myself, so I am just going to take the opportunity to say you distilled this phenomenon well and found a fitting dynamic that drives it.

Rock Chalk!

Moore • Jun 19, 2018 07:55 PM

drgnslayr said:

@jaybate-1.0

If you want a real advantage on offense...

Essentially... you turn what might otherwise be a very good defense into one that is really only with 4 players on defense. All you need is a center that is proficient from trey!

Few 5s can defend from trey, and if they do, you have them away from the basket, where their gifts of rebounding and shot blocking are now neutralized.

Using the "Golden State Effect" even further... forget the 4-guard offense! Think 5-guard offense! Think about how effective a guy like Kevin Durant could be in college right now! Imagine if his coach would understand the game well enough to really take advantage of his abilities? He is tall enough to fill the paint, but can kill from trey!

Let's bring this home to Kansas again... Didn't Konate return to WVU for the upcoming year? I think so. He's quite a shot blocker. If we really want to think like GS... we would have a team of shooters, including at the 5 so we would pull Konate out of the paint, completely neutralizing his biggest gift of defense!


OMG! I opened the door. You kicked it down!!!!

Those trey shooting bigs of NOVA completely got me salivating at the five guard concept.

How is this for a new epigram for the modern age of basketball:

"EVERY MAN A GUARD!"

What big man not being channeled against his will by the petroshoeco-agency complex would not sign with a team with that sign up over the locker room door?!!!!!!

Silvio • Jun 19, 2018 07:40 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

It is disturbing about the frequency you call attention to, but frequency is not the same as legality and constitutional authorization.

I am a layman, but I doh't recall any clauses authorizing this sort of use of police and judicial powers by the Federal law enforcement and justice agencies.

I am curious what constitutional-legal grounds FBI-DOJ would justify this sort of activity, if required by the Executive, or Legislative branches, to do so.

KU MU alumni game • Jun 19, 2018 08:26 AM

@justanotherfan

Can both teams put a lot of players on the floor that received beau coup consideration, while in school?

“That’s entertainment!”

Silvio • Jun 19, 2018 08:20 AM

@justanotherfan

Bowen’s father reputedly collects consideration for him and Bowen loses eligibility.

Sean Miller is reputedly recorded offering consideration and he is still coaching.

UNC reputedly keeps players eligible with easy classes and the school is not heavily penalized.

UK fills its roster with about 10 OADs, and Duke with 9, and nothing happens.

A UK player with a unibrow is reputedly reported to have been paid 6 figures to play for UK, the Chicago paper refuses to retract, nothing happens.

Pitino breaks silence about recruit channeling, then is reputedly forced out over prostitutes and recruits.

“That’s entertainment!!”