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Feel free to research this board and 247 along with Vernon ect.

Recruits: Arterio Morris initially, TyTy Washington, Bethea

Transfers: Tyrese Hunter twice, LJ Cryer, Walter Clayton Jr (second to Davis based on how good he was at Florida last year), Kendric Davis (this one hurt the most with smu connection), Wade Taylor….didnt end up transferring but we wanted him big time

Identical thing can be said with KJ at the 4

Grant Nelson, Kaluma the first time, Jaxson Robinson, Harrison Ingram (I actually was able to confirm this one)

Self has his favorites and yes, it hurts recruiting. Not real difficult to comprehend or just get on the streets of aau ball to figure out how these high school teams view him, his system and the roster for any upcoming year

@Jhawk69 No one responded to you because it is well documented the players who wanted to come here but wanted to play pg and not “next to” d2 in the sg role

Literally if Curry committed here (yes, steph) Bill would play him at the sg position next to Juan. No one will ever supplant Juan for the pg spot.

His handle is sloppy and weak, he can’t beat his man off the dribble 1v1 and required screens to do it. He can’t defend or keep his man out of the paint. Bill’s eyes are so slanted from some good practices (not a game we talkin about practice) in front of some low level nba scouts that it’s clouded his judgement

@jayballer67 Those two idiots couldn’t coach their way out of a wet paper sack let alone actually analyze talent accurately

Shot jock podcasts hosts who have to say 8-10 teams have a legit shot so you will listen

D2 is consistent he’s literally been who he was his first year he played real minutes and has not improved one lick in any aspect of his game

We are horrible defensively at the 1 and the 5….two most crucial spots in the game

@MR11 Exhibition game last year showed us plenty just like the exhibition game this year

I knew we’d play well against a D2 team and people would think our offense is awesome

Those same shooters struggled against legit D1 athletes in a tough environment. The days of Frank and Devonte beating uk on the road with nba play is over

@jayballer67 I’m glad somebody noticed the 6th year senior getting trapped by literal d2 players and turning it over looking like a freshman.

Hey @BShark the d2 statement was yet again proven true

RJ Davis is gonna hurt us next week and we are going to turn it over a ton just like against Arkansas. If the team has any athleticism or quickness at the guard spot we are fighting an uphill battle.

Our leaders for turnovers are the 5th year PF and 6th year PG against a literal D2 team.

Self’s roster construction is comical

Need AFH and the fans to save us next week

@dylans Who should be playing over him…a ton of other recruits that would have came here if not for Bill’s blind loyalty to Juan.

It all falls and Self for the roster he built

@Jhawk69 He sat from the 10:53 mark of the second half until 4 seconds when he checked in.

The final 10 (almost 11 minutes) he didn’t play. He got the comeback going with the lob and two huge steals but to think he would have sustained it is insanity.

The offense stalled as a freshmen outperformed and shutdown Och and if Remy hadn’t been able to hit tough guarded shots or create one on one….we wouldn’t win

If Harris plays the entire second half or 18-19 minutes (like he does now)….everyone including Self knows we lose that game

@AsadZ Preseason rankings don’t matter….need a reminder? How’d last year turn out

We ran it back with our 1 and 4 who kill spacing because Self sees and knows more than what idiots on a message board must only be able to clearly see

@Kcmatt7 When a coach admits the players lack of aggression is his own fault (the coaches)……that says all you need to know
Mishandling of what is most likely our most important player this year

Third or fourth for big 12 finish?
Baylor, Houston, isu then maybe us?

@Jhawk69 said in Basketball Season:

@kuballin10 We don't have to go off of anyone's memories. We have the box score. DaJuan played 27 minutes, got three steals, and played a big role in holding UNC's backcourt to 1-13 from three.

Man just rewriting history like our politicians

@Jhawk69 Box score looking vs….using your eyes…got it.

UNC missed some wide open threes.

Three steals

4 turnovers including what was almost the worst for a title game ever (3 seconds with the ball and ahead)

1-5 shooting

Remy - 14 pts, 5-9 fgs, 1 historic block, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 to

Clearly even revisiting the box score didn’t help you

@AsadZ Others see it if you can’t tell by the seats being open in the lower bowl. Never happened in decades even for an exhibition…

@Jhawk69 Bill stunted his development by having such a tight leash year 1. I’ve reiterated examples that if X player who’s excelled early in another system had come here it wouldn’t have been the same.

Mason was Virginia’s all time leading scorer for high school ball. Undersized yes, but an absolute dog that we stumbled on. Masons late nights in the gym and Self loosening the leash year 2 is what allowed the growth.

@jayballer67 trust me….if he says he’s gonna take us to new heights and proceeds to have 2nd round exit, 2nd or sweet 16 exit and the same next year

He’s going to see the grandkids growing up and be like…I’ve done all I can

Where KU goes after Bill I’m excited to see

@benshawks08 Hey Juan scoring 26 and trash talking Arkansas bench down 20 was a sight to behold

He did score just granted once the game was over and Arkansas let off the gas some

I’ll reserve judgment for his scoring until we see the full compliment of players against unc. We don’t have nba wings though so he needs to be a threat otherwise he and kj kill all spacing

I love KJ’s dunks man - just fun to watch and a soft spot for what he’s gone through in life. Self’s stuck with him so the results this season much like last are on coach for his roster decisions

Your remembering of the 2022 title team was quite a bit different than mine. With that pass first pg we got dominated at home by uk….and would have been bounced yet again in the 2nd round had Remy not saved us vs creighton

Juan had 2 incredible defensive plays and the lob to get us going the 2nd half and then sat on the bench for the crucial 8 minute stretch

Juan’s defense that Self thinks is so awesome is due to a minimal sample size against Unc. That’s forever etched in Self’s memory that he can’t see Juan’s lack of lateral movement causes him to not stay in front of his man defensively.

Where Juan excels is off the ball steal passes and tipping them with his long wingspan. He anticipates at an extremely high level when off the ball.

On the ball….completely different story which is just natural due to his d2 athleticism

@jayballer67 this season or next if DP can’t get it done

@FarmerJayhawk This coming from Labaron himself or what……? Or just KU coaches because ultimately he saw he’d sit behind Juan a lot

@BShark sorry mo st level is more accurate

I know you agree with me on Self letting guys play a bit more and have a leash

He gives leashes to people who don’t elevate the team but then hammers the guys who could

Juan is a high floor low ceiling guy - u know what u get

Storr - complete opposite

To let guys like Storr ingrain quickly you have to let them play through the crap

@Kcmatt7 Remy happened

Big Dave in March happened

Braun and Ochai became nba wings along with Jalen - which is what carried us. 3 nba level guys on that squad which we don’t have today.

Bringing up Philon - I don’t need to see anymore. He’s better than Juan and Moore. 6-4 with 6-7 wingspan and a legit nba prospect. Yeah let’s stick with the 7th best pg in the big 12 who can’t stay in front of his man.

Whether it’s Self, his system or what. Spencer wouldn’t have had as good of a year here as he did uconn and Labaron wouldn’t be performing the way he is here like he is at bama. The reason is because how strict Self is with running his system.

He killed Storr’s confidence and many many others.

He needs to balance letting guys come in and play their way aggressively and slowly meld it to fit what he wants so by January it works.

Instead he tries to break them of every bad habit from the tip and neuters them. This has happened for two decades here with countless players. Wish he’d mature in his thought process.

If you’ve taught any sport the ability to retain confidence while tweaking the player is crucial. With the portal we don’t have 2-3 seasons to tear a player down and rebuild him

Self retired after this year or next - book it

@FarmerJayhawk You and Self don’t get it.

Yes, in October and November Tharpe was better and could run things having been in the system for more time.

Come March it was a complete blunder as time beared out he wasn’t good. Had Self played Mason through the mistakes and trials…by March we’d been a better team.

Mason was ready just needed a leash

Labaron is ready just needed a leash and opportunity

Mahomes was ready year 1 just needed the opportunity

Coach is very short sighted with development and doesn’t grasp practice vs game performance differences

To add insult to injury - philon as a frosh looks like a stud

17 points, 5 rebounds and 7 assists against Memphis tonight

Starting alongside Sears

Bill gets to ride with his guys yet again this season to yet another round of 32 or sweet 16 loss

Crazy to think at a premier D1 school the coach has favorites so much he will never recruit over them (kj and d2)

@FarmerJayhawk And yet after playing tharpe all year instead of developing a freshman - Bill was resorted to conner because tharpe was that bad

Complete coaching blunder and not utilizing the season to develop guys in game

@approxinfinity Mason not being given the keys killed me for that Wiggins team….

Literally barely played frankamp which hammers his confidence only to play him against Stanford a ton

Bill has always struggled with lineups and effectively building everyone up not just “his guys”

Matt Tait tweets

Self said he's got AJ Storr "messed up at the moment" because the newcomer doesn't quite know yet what be aggressive means for Self and with #KUbball

Self added that he thinks Storr is still thinking a lot instead of reacting...

Self on Zeke Mayo: I think we have to get more production out of him than we had the other night & he has to put himself in position to be more aggressive.

"I think the other day he kind of played cautious."

——- Anyone notice a 20 year trend? Guys come here and play tentatively. Self needs someone to have the cojones to ask him the tough questions on why this is. We aren’t talking some 1-2 year trend this is years of this…..

@jayballer67 Honest question: did you watch the game or just check the box score?

If you watched the game what did you think of their guards vs ours especially Wagner/bland versus our 6th year senior?

Bill loves a guard who can control the entire game. He somehow thinks Harris is some tyus jones clone and it’s comical how off he is on this.

The 6-7th best pg just in the big 12 let alone the entire country struggles to lead us against athletic guard heavy teams

@approxinfinity Juan did what he did last year against Duke and then never showed up again with scoring like that

He also did it in the second half when the game was already out of reach

Got absolutely abused defensively the entire game and no clue how the box score didn’t have him turning it over 5 times (somehow 2).

He never starts the game and keeps us close he relies on everyone else to carry him

Bill legitimately is staring another second round loss in the face with his favorite 1 and 4 of all time. He has no concept of team building with regards to today’s game and what he values in players isn’t the most important traits in translation to winning it all

After we get bounced this year he will retire with 5/6 second round loss

His systems are outdated and the fact guys can’t shuffle in and out smoothly and he constantly neuters great players (remy and now storr….and it would have been Spencer last year had we got him - he’d somehow not defended well enough or whatever. Spencer or any player would have a better year at uconn vs ku)….causing them to play hesitant and slow

He doesn’t teach guys to attack but throws so much at them they can’t just read and react but rather “think too much” - his own words.

He owes Remy a ton otherwise he’s a 1 hit wonder

I mean people praise how great we are based on big 12 consistency. Nah that’s homer glasses. Big 12 constantly underperforms in the tourney. We finally added legit basketball competition and watch where we finish these last two years.

The big 12 consecutive titles is nice but fans starting to see it was a facade and made sense based on our ncaa accomplishments. Propt us up with 1 seeds when in reality we didn’t deserve them and got bounced.

I’ve missed a lot of our games this year but does JD6 know what a hot route is or how to identify a blitz?

Every single time ksu blitzed that final drive he had zero answer for it

Leipold and his staff looks to be clowned without the true brains up in Pennsylvania now….

Arkansas just stripping dribble handoffs from kj to juan and kj to coit

Haven’t seen the hogs run 1 dribble handoff all night

May that trash is done for a reason in legit basketball circles

Self has the rare ability to take an all big 10 guy completely neuter him

If you want to recruit in the portal might want to not think you have 4 years to break them down and build them back up

Arkansas offense is simple to run meanwhile ours somehow is complicated yet it’s the weave from 25 feet from the bucket and a pick n roll on the wing

If we think adding a backup pg playing 10 mins

A 6th man wing who can’t defend and isn’t athletic

A big man who can score but can’t defend

And think we are the number 1 team…your insane

Without remy we’d be looking at 6 straight second round losses

The basketball philosophy is outdated by a mile

@DanR He was bad last year

Decent the year before

Then bad the other years…..eventually people will see without rose colored glasses

He’s bill’s guy so watch him lead

Can’t stay in front of boogie

Get Shakeel out here as pg1 but Bill will never

Juan scoring this quarter but still net negative

Losses it there geez

I’ll see you all next year

Bill put the narrative about Juan being so good

Bill’s lost it and without remy he’s got 1 title and still trying to convince us Juan is the end all be all

Juan backdoor getting worked by the d1 high level athlete

He ain’t the best Jimmy he was 6th-7th last year per real statistics

He can’t go get 20 and he can’t beat his man off the bounce to properly distribute and CREATE

Bill ain’t winning another title. Said we need guards who can create and still trots Juan out for 30 mpg. Says one thing does another - that’s Bill

This is Bill’s roster and supposed to be a team we love and will be something special

We might lose 4-5 games before conference

Hunter cant d up

Juan can’t beat his dude off the dribble without a screen or handoff

Storr can’t shoot but loves to

Mayo is what @Texas-Hawk-10 said

Fland a freshman working Juan…the 12th year senior

Looks gun shy tonight

@FarmerJayhawk that pg is short too not 6-3/6-4 like Wagner, Davis and fland

These dudes can d you up

Dykes just said - does KU have multiple guys who can beat u off the bounce WHICH WE CANT

I’ve said it all last year and this year and it starts with the guy playing pg

He beats u going hard right chucking up a semi hook shot as his body flies out of bounds

Like right there….took a hand off to do it

@FarmerJayhawk Wing isn’t even slated to start per you and other “insiders”

Oh and that point won’t play but 10 - 15 mpg because Juan is gonna play over 30 as always

Storr can’t shoot either which sucks

If we were up 12 there’d be no talk about “vanilla” @FarmerJayhawk

@FarmerJayhawk won’t change the athleticism gap….

This one works for me - don’t care who starts it just long as people are making their observations!

@FarmerJayhawk Yeah that’s what we can all claim to make ourselves feel better but that means you aren’t watching

It’s pretty obvious

Even if we ran stuff we can’t execute it against their athleticism

Same against Illinois last year and I’m sure you’d claim vanilla as well

That’s what fans say for this crap….ku was vanilla against linden wood in football and we’ve seen how that went

We are running plays and playing the game. U can choose to think it’s nothing but this says plenty

Geez wrong thread I guess

They are athletic and long
We aren’t

They can beat their man off the dribble
We can’t

Pretty easy to see which team is completely controlling the game and getting better shots

@FarmerJayhawk We are running stuff but Coit or any of these guards can’t create their own shot or beat their man off the dribble

Juan’s first paint touch was a minute ago on the drive

Mayo can only do his step back

Overall pretty pitiful guard wise which supposedly we were going to improve

We need a remy and ain’t got 1

2….

Arkansas is way more athletic and loaded unlike what @BShark2 said

Boogie, Wagner and Davis are the ultimate 3 guards who can do it all. Wagner hit 2 threes in Juan’s face and Juan turned him over once but isn’t much of a threat offensively

Brazile and Aidoo are going to be defensive stoppers

Arkansas will be a final 4 contender easily

We look slow, small and unathletic

Even with Hunter, Rylen and Keel it still wouldn’t matter

Anyone else frustrated we don’t get to go against their athletes?

Davis, their 6-8 wing and Aidoo (center) might now play.

Arkansas is the type of team we don’t keep up with and they are crazy athletic. Wish we could face them at full strength to see what we got.

We aren’t the number 1 team…kenpom is more accurate on this one

Give us DP, Ament and then use all the money to load up on the best transfers

I love the way the staff is allocating funds. It’s wise to take the proven D1 commodity versus take the kid from high school who may take 2-3 years to develop.

We are getting the best player (or second best) in the class plus maybe 1 more and go get the top transfer class ….its reload for Bill then

We don’t have the horses but sure fun to have playoff baseball back in KC!

Pitchers aren’t getting ahead in the count - leading to walks and working up the hill versus down it

Hitters don’t have as good of an eye as the Yankees do. They make you throw strikes before just wailing at first pitch fastball

@FarmerJayhawk Not sure this is valid or where you are hearing this. Doesn’t align with what I’ve heard, the stats this year vs last and what our eyes clearly tell us…..