@jayballer54 More likely, he just got the job from the connection. Not a foot in the door for the Selves as a friendly takeover.
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@5yardfuller Yikes! Too close to home to miss that. Good catch!
@jaybate-1.0 If TVs and Facebook, both of which are horrible for our brains, can go without warning labels, fb may be in the clear....
Here is the NCAA guidance that seems on point:
Transfer trigger: A condition that affects your transfer status. A transfer student is a student who transfers from a collegiate institution after having triggered any of the conditions:
-Enrolled full-time during any term and attended class or in Division I if you are enrolled full time and are on campus on the opening day of classes.
-Reported for a regular squad practice.
-Practiced or competed while enrolled less than full-time..
-Received institutional financial aid while attending summer school.
(Italics added)
Whitman played but was he there for the first practice for Italy? That might not be considered a "regular practice"; he apparently did not enroll for the summer term.
Even if someone enrolls early, it looks like they have to be there on the first day of classes for the transfer rules, like a season out, to get triggered.
Edit: Walter Berry and Chris Mullin won the Oscar trophy and Wooden Award in consecutive years from St. Johns.
@jaybate-1.0 Here is a list of a few POY awards over the years. Looks to me like there aren't many, consecutively from the same team (except for repeat winners like Sampson and Walton). The only one I found was Sidney Wicks of UCLA (Oscar Robertson and Sporting News POY) followed by Bill Walton (consensus). Might be others, in the years where they were split among a few players.
No consensus consecutives I could find.
@mayjay I see that Norlander has a story on CBS Sports with the Adidas coordinator saying they "shut him down" and prevented him from going in. That wasn't in the stories I read earlier. Adidas vs Nike shot by that guy?
@KUSTEVE I don't know where you got that number, but all other sources say it was down 8% last year, and Forbes (a conservative publication, by any measure) did not mention CK in its analysis:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briangoff/2017/01/23/nfls-missing-million-viewers/ ↗
Most sources cite the election as a factor, noting it went down 11% in 2000 and 6% in 1996. Debates, and the Cubs in the World Series, really cut into prime-time games. After the election, viewership went back up, to within 1% of 2015.
@KUSTEVE JD Power is about the most reputable poll out there. As noted, this one is essentially not probative of anything except what we might have guessed: some viewers were turned off, and most didn't care. It probably wasn't even a poll focused on CK. Might well have been a minor statistical sidelight from a poll designed to find out trends regarding viewership of NFL games among people who attend sports vs those who don't.
From what I read, Lebron got there later than those guys, and the police and fire marshall were restricting access. Crowd had 8 to 10 rows of people standing in front of the stands, and LBJ on advice decided it would be a mess for everone for him to try to go in.
Lavar, safe to say, had nothing to do with it. I doubt LBJ would back down from that one--he isn't exactly a shrinking violet.
@jayballer54 And broadcast on ESPN radio Kansas City.
@approxinfinity @HighEliteMajor
I actually never watch any opinion content on ESPN and filter out comments during broadcasts that wander into political subjects.
Incidentally, the article cited about the "CK effect" on fb viewing didn't say anything at all about the overall effect on NFL viewership. In fact, it said that of respondents who reported that they watched fewer games, 26% cited CK as the reason, 24% cited off-field stuff, and 20% said too many commercials.
Here is the kicker: That group, the ones who watched less, was only 12% of the >9,000 poll respondents. More than twice as many, 27%, reported watching more NFL games than before, and over 60% reported no change.
So, the poll showed more viewership in total, and only a quarter of the decliners cited CK & Co. Hard to see this as a huge threat.
The study is pretty flawed, anyway, because it is a select group of fans who responded, i.e., people "who attended either one football, basketball or hockey game" (without any indication whether those were amateur or pro events). That certainly cannot be considered a poll of NFL viewers, which would be more interesting. How they obtained their sample is also a big question--going to the gates at a number of games? Questionnaire to ticket buyers? Phone survey, rejecting people who didn't?
I would speculate that people who go to games might be more resentful of CK because such fans experience the anthem ritual routinely. On the other hand, maybe nonattendees would be more likely to see the broadcast of the protests as interfering with tuning in, so they might switch away. To HGTV or somewhere.
I agree the issue was made more of than it deserved. Another protest--big deal, let it go. Protest against the protest--big deal, let it go.
I just want to watch football and then turn off ESPN when the talk shows begin.
@DoubleDD I love watching football. I don't love watching families with paralyzed or brain-injured kids going into bankruptcy because they cannot afford hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical care. I don't like taxpayers having to support the family when they lose their jobs because they have to stay home to care for their injured. I don't like watching the cost of medical care going up because hospitals end up with uninsured patients arriving in trauma centers. And I don't like watching other kids in a family not being able to have opportunities because the family was wiped out by a single catastrophic injury.
Why oppose insurance for catastrophic injury as a condition to play a dangerous sport? Banks require insurance for businesses to prevent foreseeable losses that might result in bad loans. Medical professionals get insurance because mistakes can have drastic consequences. Mortgage and car loans require insurance to protect the collateral from being destroyed by accident. Carnivals need insurance--yes, getting on a ride might be dangerous, but the reality is that riders still go on them and some get injured and die. Why should the rider bear all the costs of that? Mandating insurance protects the rider, the business, and society.
When an organization, say the NFL or the NCAA or even a state high school league, benefits from putting on entertainment that puts participants at major risk, it is fair to expect them to foot the bill. Stadiums and their spectacles galore require investment, even HS football coaches routinely get huge salaries, and that money seems readily available.
In any event, your comment led me to this article discussing how some college sports organizations are moving toward mandated coverage but many gaps remain:
https://www.noodle.com/articles/when-student-athletes-get-injured-who-pays134 ↗
I don't see why HS sports should be different.
@KUSTEVE I love colorful analogies!
"Busier than a 1-armed paperhanger."
"Uglier than the north end of a south-bound mule."
"Dumber than a bag of rocks."
@approxinfinity According to one report last week, she has close ties to both the Russian mob and the government. Russia "experts" say that you can't talk about Russia wiithout understanding how intricately entertwined business and criminal organizations are with the government. I want to read more on the inner workings. It sounds sort of like Tamany Hall or a combo of Mayor Daley and Capone.
One thing we know: journalists don't enjoy the freedom to investigate over there that they do here. They tend, along with government reformers, to get taken out or locked up on spurious charges.
@approxinfinity For the record, I am an avid cofee drinker. Black. After all night study sessions in school, there was never creamer around, so we got used to it. Sure makes availability better.
@DoubleDD Yep, that football insurance idea is a leftist plot designed to interfere with your hunting rights.
If you would stay on topic, you would understand that I was proposing insurance as a way to save football, not ban it.
@HighEliteMajor I think there is a huge difference between damage that people come to expect due to violent collisions (such as limb and joint injuries, concussions, or even spinal injuries), and what the research on brains is showing. 110 out of 111 with brain disease apparently caused by cumulative impacts over a career.
What people are willing to assume the risk of, I think, is the first type--from singular events that they hope won't happen to them (or their kids). What I doubt anyone knows yet is how this new research showing cumulative damage is related to simply playing the game over many years. No one knows that risk yet, and certainly not the parents of a kids having a scholarship dangled in front of him (and the coach dangling it probably doesn't, either). It would be premature to think the info is in.
I think the research has just begun, and the possibilities are wide open. We might learn that playing the game in college has fewer risks, for example, if the study of NFL players doesn't get confirmed by studies of brains of players who never played pro ball. Maybe it is longer careers that carry more risk. Maybe older brains are less likely to heal. Maybe certain positions are more prone to these injuries. And, unmentioned in what I have seen is whether the study had any way of determining if the deceased players were juicers--I would imagine that 'roid tage and CTE could have similar sources in brain tissue, but that is just speculation.
If I had a kid, I would want him to avoid fb. Basketball would be nice because of so many hundreds of schools giving schollies, but the talent required certainly has never climbed into my family tree. Baseball seems safest, or swimming, or who knows? My roommate in freshman year took fencing and has participated in the US national championships for his age group. I took bowling and have never accomplished anything in it.
Boxing is still a sport despite the clearly known risks of brain damage. But young boxers wear special protective headgear that, while not always effective, help soften the impact of a full strength (even if padded) blow to the head. As someone said, maybe they will discover that better gear in fb makes these injuries a chance rather than a near certainty.
We have all seen old NFLers limping or read about the who ones can't walk at all. Those guys we feel sorry for, but I think that there it is safe to say they knew their joints are vulnerable. We haven't seen too many, before Junior Seau, who have dramatically illustrated how radically differently brain injuries can affect someone's life.
I will always treasure my memory of Bo Jackson running over that jerk from Oklahoma into the end zone in that MNF between the Raiders and the Seahawks. But I will always wish he hadn't played in the NFL because I had hoped for more memories like his All Star game HR or his warning track throw to the plate. I know, his choice--but to me, our loss. Obviously not related to the brain issue, but it just emphasizes to me how much I hope to not read more about athletes of the past few decades and today becoming debiltated while relatively young by something unknown when they played.
I know it is a long answer, but to me it is complicated. I don't want to ban football, but I would like catastrophic injury insurance to be mandated at HS and above, so the choices people make can at least be adequately treated when the odds go sour.
@approxinfinity The helmet has to stop the brain from moving somehow. Studies of boxers show that the brain can flatten out and the sheath gets torn on a sharp blow. It can suffer damage not only on the impact side but also on the other side where it gets secondarily squashed.
Perhaps a future player will look like Mr. Potato Head, with padding surrounding him, no discernible neck, and head covered by a full body width helmet made of several inches thick layers of the same material as pool noodles. The eyes could be cameras with viewing screens inside. Teams could have a lot of creative decorating schemes.
From the owners' perspective, they could start looking at technology that would allow trainers to just pull off and replace arms and legs as necessary.
@brooksmd Actually, it happened twice for the Fish ("the Feesh" acc to Old Gator, if anyone remembers him from the NBC blog Hardball Talk). The Blockbuster owner was Wayne Huizenga, who started the franchise in 93, won the WS in 97, and dismantled it. Jeffrey Loria bought it before the 2002 season (after agreeing to sell the Expos so they could move), won the WS in 2003, and dismantled it while angering virtually everybody.
Acc to Wikipedia, polls show Loria as having a 6% approval rating among Marlibs fans. Probably about on par with Finley in KC in 1967, but they didn't do surveys back then.
@brooksmd Didn't Charley Finley do the same thing in the mid-70's with the A's after their 2 WS wins? Bad owners are not unique to the FA era. At least the Marlins fans have their good years to look back on.
One thing is certain, the large contracts and impending free agency has really made the summer trade deadline more interesting (that, along with wild cards). GMs trying to build, rebuild, dump salary, fill holes, and strengthen a playoff run can do so drastically during a season rather than just the winter meetings.
@BeddieKU23 The downside
about him being local in South Carolina is, of course, the fact that it seriously reduces KU's chances of getting him since 4 other big contenders are close enough for him to play in front of family almost every game. UK, UNC, Duke, and SC.
@BeddieKU23 Living in SC, I am looking forward to this HS season here, and all of the attention ZW will get!
@justanotherfan I think it is interesting that businesses have driven the flow of illegal immigration, while the political party most strongly identified with business is also most strongly advocating stopping it. The other political party has failed to realize that the flow of illegal immigrants has helped disintegrate unions whose members' wages have been cut severely or their jobs even been eliminated (Iowa meat-packing industry, for example).
I think it is just one of those ironies of our topsy-turvy political world.
@DoubleDD "or those people that think they know what’s best for you and just hate free choice will turn the game into flag football."
This is unfair. The full extent of the risk is still being discovered. "Those people" investigating this are trying to save possibly hundreds if not thousands of athletes from debilitating brain injuries suffered in teenage years and early adulthood. Perhaps the research will find a way to reduce injuries.
It is cavalier to simply describe safety and health concerns as infringing on free choice. Kids playing football seldom have any idea of the risk, and coaches certainly don't focus on educating them; it is always "hit harder." Parents might be the ones making the choice, and I am sure most of the ones whose HS or college kids are paralyzed or brain-injured wish they had heeded the risks more carefully. Professional athletes at least get compensation and medical care, but 99% of pros suffering brain damage doesn't make you cringe at least? Most people have no doubt had no clue that the risks include more than knees, hips, wrists, fingers, and shoulders, or even the relatively rare Stingley type of spine injury ("that only happens out of a million tackles, so it won't happen to me"). If just ordinary games played today result in injuries discovered only years down the road, seems the choices made might be free but they aren't exactly informed.
Few people are advocating banning football anyway, so your attack seems pretty premature. And you might rethink it if the evidence shows these repetitive brain injuries can (as they seem to have already) result in future aberrant behavior, and aggression, including physical attacks, murder and suicide.
This research will help discover what the risks are in what is supposed to be a fun, not mentally incapacitating, sport. Why don't we get more info before we get upset at those do-gooders this time?
@drgnslayr Go, Bartolo!
@dylans The article after that was about the antics of Lavar, including his blunt statement that the refs in a game last week were cheating (he took his team off the court and forfeited). Hope they sue his ass for slander and defamation!
@bskeet Good points. Worldwide, though, I don't see basketball supplanting soccer.
@HighEliteMajor Rollerball?
@brooksmd I like the game much better with FA! Enables teams to rebuild faster and enhances competition. Dynasties are shorter.
Of course, I lived through the last years of the KC A's disaster.
And, frankly, I love it when they get paid a lot. Remember, many are earning under minimum wage in the minors. When someone hits it big, it keeps the attention of some who might give up. Even Whit was discouraged a couple years ago, but his parents kept him going. You need a steady supply of bb players to find the 1 to 5 % who can make it in the Show.
@globaljaybird Don't think anyone wants to go sign with the Giants this year....
@JayHawkFanToo More of a modified Heimlich. There is a special one for lying down. Must have had his hand behind the back for leverage. CPR is in the middle of the chest, not below the sternum which is where this guy had his fist.
The recommended procedure uses two hands in a CPR position (overlapped), though, and he seems to have adapted it to a guy on his side. Worked!
From a Harvard health site: "If the person is lying down or unconscious, straddle him or her and place the heel of your hand just above the waistline. Place your other hand on top of this hand. Keeping your elbows straight, give four quick upward thrusts. You may have to repeat this procedure several times until the obstructing object is coughed out."
He might have thought the choking victim shouldn't be rolled on his back.
@Crimsonorblue22 15 to 20 % raise could make a big difference.
Here in South Cackalackee, the legislature gave all the correctional officers a $1,000 raise, and none to the rest of the state workers. That is about 3%. Oddly, they can't get enough applicants and the ones they get have a huge turnover rate during year one when they meet the wonderful cutthroats they will be spending 12 hr shifts watching.
@justanotherfan "And they wonder why these positions often remain unfilled."
And they also wonder why corrections officers are so easily bought by inmates wanting drugs, phones, and other contraband. My son was on a search team. Scary, scary, scary people, those inmates.
@Crimsonorblue22 Nicely done! His wife must have freaked. Wonder if they will vote for him. Maybe that Montana guy who body-slammed the reporter should have said he was just trying to get the journalist out of the way of a falling brick he thought he saw....
@wissox Stilletoveve? Stromeeve? Stampildeve? Man, I am stumped....
"Mulva?"
@wissox I don't mind the Hell of heat and humidity (h+h=H, for anyone following along), so long as the air is moving. Usually we get dead air in July and August. This year, lots of storms and winds.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
We might be worse
You certainly have had the high temps this month! 108??? But on average, your lows are lower, and your humidity a bit less. But when you get severe weather, you really get severe weather!⛈☇🌩☔
@JayHawkFanToo So, you obviously think the Truth hurts? 😎 backatcha!
@wissox I think our heat is slightly worse, but your humidity is godawful. And that is why I never want to return to Louisiana in the summer.
Great hour-by-hour recent weather data for the past 3 days:
Columbia: http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KCUB.html ↗
Baton Rouge:
http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KBTR.html ↗
@nuleafjhawk Sounds frustrating at best. Admire your sticking it out--I couldn't have!
Just remember, anything you post can be read by anyone using google, not just members who logged in. So, if anyone where you work has ever seen this user name, or if anyone has seen it and wants any dirt....
@BeddieKU23 I see Keth Langford is going to earn $2.2 million in China!
@brooksmd "Are there people really that stupid?"
To paraphrase a famous from quote the late Ramsey Bolton from Game of Thrones, "If you think people are smart, you haven't been paying attention!
Game of Thrones, by the way, is the best television I have ever watched.
@Crimsonorblue22 Next tournament is in September in Israel, I believe.
@DoubleDD I would love to see the salary tables for corporate management before I could reach a conclusion on how a $15 min wage would affect any particular company.
I am actually not a fan of an immediate move to a min wage up to $15. But I think companies would find it in their own self interest to create incentive and longevity raises for their entry level workers. Don't just grow your business--find a way for your employees to want to stay with you while it grows!
If a billionaire president has business dealings with a foreign power or with megacorps in that country, is it too much to ask to have some transparency and disclosure what those relationships are? I would ask the same if Hillary were president.
@Crimsonorblue22 Oh, you crazy teeny boppers and your love for Paul!
Glad you had fun. Really, you should go to LV and see LOVE, the Cirque de Soleil show. Lots of fun and fascinatingly staged!
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think Self should just move on and let him go. No need to stew. Looking vindictive would hurt future recruiting. Let Jack be the one who looks bad by himself.
Then again, I hate any coach who tries to block a transfer because I believe kids should be able to move more freely, so this is just an extension of that philosophy. If Self did it before, I have forgotten.
@approxinfinity Sarcasm is usually more pointed, and can seem hostile. Facetiousness, in my view, is more light-heartedness. I make facetious comments about both wings of the political spectrum. And about myself.
Puns, too, but is just a character flaw.
@approxinfinity Ooops, I meant your replies were so serious I figured you didn't see the facetiousness in someone else's post. Ah, the intensity of youth....
I will ponder your questions later when I have more time!