@JayHawkFanToo Again, when he claims he is, I take it for what it's worth. It's not like we're some club here that members must be vetted for authenticity. His posts add spice to the proceedings. I think we should play Missouri. I think we should win more national championships. It's 12:30 AM, what the heck am I doing arguing on the Bucket? :)
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Everybody's so rude
That's why we need guns!
@DoubleDD Well he claims he is so I give him the benefit of the doubt!
@mayjay Not sure if anyone is crying that we don't win the NC. We're disappointed that high seeds, conference championships and high rankings haven't led to more NC's. I'll say the alternative of not having high seeds and conference championships and just occasional tournament berths would suck way more than the joy ride that the last number of seasons have been that ended in disappointment.
@globaljaybird I'm convinced Elpoyo is not a troll. He loves KU basketball, endures some well earned (in many cases) abuse, but wants KU to win national championships. HEM is the same. He has more tact than Elpoyo, but basically says the same thing. Let's win a darn ring more than every 20 years. I'm in agreement.
Thanks for the Red Rooster update. Thanks for your positivity. When I write the dumbest of things I know I can count on you for an endorsement. I also know I can count on about three or four people telling me how dumb I am!! Keep the faith bro.
KU is remarkable.
It's in a geographical wasteland basketball wise.
The number of blue chip recruits from the state or region is minimal.
There's almost no one living west of the state capital all the way to the Rocky Mts.
The state north is a football state.
The state south is a football state.
The state east is a mess and the relative number of decent recruits it produces get pulled to nearby Illinois, Kentucky, Arkansas and Oklahoma besides KU.
ESPN is geographically challenged and will only think about KU when our excellence forces them to do so.
And yet this program keeps up. The two teams that continue to grab recruits by the handful rarely beat KU.
We've overcome a lot including geography to be Americas foremost consistently winning program.
@BShark Where'd you hear that?
You're not the only one! I've been beating the same drum ever since we've been discussing this topic.
I guarantee you this if Missry showed up on the schedule it will become the most anticipated game of the year.
Oft discussed topic, but I'm in the minority, and there are others, that wish we'd play them again. I'd rather see them on the schedule than Central Montana or Punxsatawney State. Heck I'd rather see them than Topeka YMCA.
@brooksmd Yeah, they're not looking too goodly.
Go LSU
Cedric Hunter, 1 game, 1 minute played! Sure loved him when I was watching him set the Big8 record for assists.
Ryan Robertson also played in one game, 25 minutes and was 2-6 for 4 points.
Langford got in only 2 games. Might make the list as the most spectacular KU player with the least significant NBA contribution!
Interesting that over half, 38 if I quick counted correctly have played in the league since the turn of the millenium. It might be interesting to discuss who is the most surprising on that list! I couldn't go past 1985 or so, as probably a lot of us, but still some names there that I look at and say, whoa, he played, earned some minutes?
@Crimsonorblue22 Is Yosemite out of town? It's out of this world actually. That's where I've been for the week!
Baseball! America's past time. The greatest sport of all!
@approxinfinity I don't recall that. What did he whine about?
@nuleafjhawk Except Thad coached in the FF at least twice and actually won the Big10 5 times. Scott Drew would not be mocked on these pages if he had a resume like that.
I'm a little saddened to see his demise. I've always enjoyed watching his teams play. Always had a lot of talent until very recent years anyways. To make the FF in 2007 and then rebuild the roster to make it again in 2012 shows some coaching chops that Drew would be envious of.
I haven't a clue who they might hire but OSU is a good enough of a job that they'll probably disappoint someone by taking a decent coach from a decent mid major which will create a bit of a coaching carousel.
Not a whole bunch of SOS enhancers there but also not a whole bunch of SOS killers either, so it's kind of an OK game. 7 power conference games means something to look forward to. I would quibble with calling Texas Southern a mid major however! I live 10 miles from a SWAC school and it's pitiful. Attendance gets beat by local high schools regularly, the basketball sucks too. But good summary of the schedule!
I'm pretty sure that if Misery showed up on the schedule it would become all of our most anticipated game of the year. That's why we should play them.
I want to play them and beat them. I'd rather see them on the schedule more than most of the non-con games we play.
I'm pretty pessimistic (as usual!) for next year. Svi's return helps....some. I'm not sold on him being any more than a competent role player. The freshmen I always take a wait and see. The transfers, I am optimistic that Newmann will take up some of the slack caused by Franks leaving. Whitman, no clue what he'll bring to the table. We'll win a bunch of games for sure. Will we win the big one? Well, I'm pessimistic, as usual!
How about the Celts take Frank and the first(?) low rise back court in NBA history!
@Kcmatt7 I don't get notifications for comments on posts I started so I missed your snide Wisconsin comment!! Badgers have sped it up in recent years if only a little. Virginny hasn't however, so maybe the refs in my modest proposal might say next hoop wins!
@DanR I had the same thought! To be honest, the end of game length only bothers me when I'm waiting for our game to start on TV and the previous game is dragging on causing us to miss the beginning.
I just thought it was an interesting story to hear and I probably won't follow up on it to be honest. I seriously doubt anything remotely close to it occurs anytime soon!
Heard this on a podcast today called Only a Game. If you'd rather listen to it, it's on WBUR's Only a Game, an excellent podcast.
Otherwise, read about it here: http://fansided.com/2017/04/05/basketball-tournament-experiments-new-crunch-time-rules/ ↗
If you don't want to read about it nor listen to the podcast, in sum, it's a proposal to stop the endless final minutes of pro and college games by stopping the clock at a set time. The officials will set a target score to win the game based on this writers formula. In other words, Kansas is winning against Michigan St. 68-63. The officials determine 7 points for KU or 12 for MSU necessary to win, in other words, first to 75 wins.
It's just a silly proposal, but the guy who studied 1000's of games to come up with his formula is running a tournament this summer with these rules in place.
Imagine, no more whining at the TV when the Big East game runs over every Monday night!
I kind of feel for the kid. I wonder if he's ever told his dad to shut his mouth? I mean this guy has said so much, why would any team want to add this baggage? He's said so many goofy things I think he might be related to the president.
"My kid is better than Steph Curry".
"We're looking for a 3 billion dollar shoe deal".
"I could beat MJ 1-1 back in the day".
"Lonzo's (UCLA) team had too many white kids to win the tournament"
"UCLA will win the national championship"
"@brooksmd told me the Royals should draft Lonzo and he will become the first position player/pitcher in MLB history"
"@nuleafjhawk has a great idea. Balls Wall, we'll charge Trump 500 million for the endorsement deal."
"@approxinfinity told me he's going to change the name of the KU fan site to KUBalls"
@Lulufulu Yep, he did one year as an unpaid graduate assistant for Larry Brown. A year later he went to Cal pomona pitzer or something like that and KU played them in AFH. They were a D3 team and as you can guess, we walloped them. Looked for the box score and it must have been considered an exhibition game because I couldn't find it. The 86-87 season is when he took a year off from the Cal school and did a sort of internship under Larry Brown.
Of course we in the stands had no clue that one of the all time greats was on the bench. We were enjoying Danny Manning and his friends too much to notice some D3 coach!
KUHoops has an interesting but pointless article comparing Bill Self to Nick Saban. Nick is considered an all time great while Bill isn't. But if Bill were coaching football he'd have made 6 final fours and probably had more championships.
The logic used in the article is final AP rankings. 6 times KU has been in the top 4 of the rankings in the final week of the regular season. So by logic, based on the way the current football playoff is set up, KU would have made that playoff 6 times.
There's a flaw however. Because they've only had that four team playoff for about 3 or 4 seasons, and they go back 10 years. A couple of those years we'd probably have made the BCS title game if they applied the same postseason format to basketball. But several of those years we were ranked 3'rd or 4th which means we don't make the title game, so the comparison breaks down.
I know it's really pointless to discuss, but they brought it up so I guess it might be worth talking about.
Here's the article link: http://kuhoops.com/ku-basketball-news/150550432/ ↗
@Crimsonorblue22 6 more days!!!
@Crimsonorblue22 Why is JJ going pro? :(
I enjoy watching Golden State as well. Isaiah Thomas is inspiring, and Greg Popovich was on the bench at KU. And Lebron, as @Kcmatt7 points out, just amazing. Simply the best in the league since MJ.
This is too bad. I was looking forward to Dwight's development this year into a reliable post player. I share @drgnslayr's concern about the lack of interior players. I know we have proven we can survive without it as @justanotherfan pointed out, but we didn't survive because Oregon killed us inside when our outside game disappeared at the worst possible time against Oregon. I just think balance is better.
@dylans Oh I know, he was very good. I tried to say I didn't blame him for leaving early, but maybe it didn't come across very well. But on the other hand, a great chance to win it all has got to mean something that even future pro earnings can't provide. Tough decision to be sure.
http://kuhoops.com/ku-basketball-news/150493327/ ↗
I don't know what to think of Drew Gooden. He ranks top 20 I'd say of all timers at KU (don't get all nit picky on me on that one). He was good enough to be a part of a very good 2002 team that nearly beat Maryland in the FF.
But here's the part that gets me with people like him. One more year. One more year and 2003, well we'd have been an all time great team I think. Simien maybe doesn't get hurt (because he's playing less?) giving us an extremely talented big off the bench. Even if Simien got hurt, we have someone more talented than Grayer starting up front.
And I get it. The kind of money given to leave college even then was incredible. I know Drew's dad was very present at the time because he was on TV a lot cheering, so maybe there was financial stability enough for Drew to stay in college one more year, but he bolted.
'What if' games are always pointless. What if he stayed? I guess it's no guarantee they win anyways, but I think it would have been a team without any flaws. But does a win change recruiting? Which means does 08 happen if we'd won only 5 seasons previously? Is there a little less hunger to win? We can speculate but we won't know the answers.
But I sure wish Drew had stayed and it's good to see he's had a nice NBA career, nothing spectacular as his travels from city to city would indicate, but still very competent as an NBAer and for that we all should be proud.
@jaybate-1-0's list of Blue Bloods:
Nicaragua St.
State Penn
Groundhog U
Directional State Institute of Technology
Infinite State of Dichotomies
Dewie Cheatem and How University
I like discussions like this because they're tough to determine who's right and who isn't. And it's a fairly vague term. I'm sure fans of most of those teams you mentioned, like the cousins even, might consider themselves to be blue bloods.
Certainly, KU, UK, UNC are included. History, influence, championships, longevity.
Duke? Before 1986 they had made 4 final fours but not won anything. Sure, they're elite level now, but Duke hoops history isn't as long lived as the three I mentioned.
UCLA? No final fours before 1962, and we've won more championships since Wooden left than they have.
Michigan State? 9 final fours all time. Heck since I came to KU in 1986 we've had 8 of them.
Indiana might be in the discussion but they've dropped off obviously but they do have a lot of tradition.
@jaybate-1.0 ROTFL? Which school is that? Should they be in our league?
It's interesting to see the Big10 on that list of leagues that are seeing less talent. I think the league is in a down time for coaches. Their most successful coaches of the 2000's are gone except Izzo. Ryan, Self, Tubby and even Matta seems to have lost his recruiting mojo. I don't want to include Beihlein on that list because I've always thought he wasn't as good as people thought. Crean sucked, Iowa hasn't had anyone significant, PSU is a dumpster fire, Rutgers blows, Maryland is ok. But this basketball league that is 'supposed' to be dominating the national scene hasn't won a title since 2000. Sure there's been lots of teams close, interesting at least to note that Illinois in 05, Michigan in 13 and Wiscy in 15 all were very close but in my view got officiated away from beating ACC teams.
But the talent drop off is real in the Big10. It's no longer the league of superstars. MSU has kept that up a little bit of course, but really no else has. There's still good to nearly great teams. But it's a league that is decidedly trending downward.
But for me it all comes down to KU. OUR talent is still there. OUR amazing coach is still there. OUR chance to win it all every year is still there, and believe me WE will win it again. We've been very close the past several years. Led the nations regular season rankings and have been top seeded seemingly every year since we won it all in 2008.
Now could our league be better which might sharpen us for the dance? Maybe. But seemingly SEC teams are in the final 4 every year, and their league doesn't offer up nightly challenges to sharpen them.
But mark it down, save this post, bookmark it @approxinfinity because I want my props. None of this discussion will matter when KU wins another championship the next year or two. I'm already planning on the celebration.
You still screwed it up Jaybate. I don't see Silo Tech on there.
@approxinfinity Sorry, no NBA games for me. Maybe the finals.
I can't keep up with all this stuff. I suppose I'll figure it out next hoops season when we're chatting there.
@approxinfinity So you've listened to 100% of the 99% podcast and I've listened to >1%of the 99% podcast.
@approxinfinity I'm enjoying the 99% podcast. Quite informative on varieties of things I'd never guess I'd be interested in.
I think his brother just backed out of his commit to Southern Illinois. The day I saw them play, the brother was the better player. Both have transferred to a different HS as well, from one charter to another.
Yeah, but we got the coaches, right?
@brooksmd Good memories. I used to be a Cubs fan when I was a kid and before I knew you couldn't like both teams. I'd take the train downtown and hop on the El as an 8th grader even. My parents trusted me I guess!
Part of the answer is priorities. I would watch most White Sox games but I don't want to pay for the MLB package. I have better things to do with my money, like 3 kids in college, I don't live anywhere near Chicago. But I follow every game. I go to strange websites to watch games in the evening when I can. I'd do the same if there were 300 games on the schedule or if there were 100.
NFL, partially because the Bears have stunk since they were good in 2012, and partially because they're not on TV here where I live, I probably catch about half of the Bear games. As for other NFL games, I rarely watch, just doesn't move my needle at all.
I watch all KU and almost all Wisconsin games in hoops. NBA, very little viewing, even the finals.
But I prefer baseball and have been a day to day follower since Tom Seaver and the Mets. I used to score the games in a scorebook while watching on TV! Baseball's just in the blood.
There's speculation that the morri twin on the Bullets, oops, Wizards who hurt his ankle was replaced by the Morri who is already out of the playoffs. The ankle sprain was described as serious, but he healed quickly, or did he?
I love baseball. I'm fine with the number of games. Don't mess with it!