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Slow start today. And low turnout in here too

Everyone must be watching the Hero World Golf Challenge... ;)

I assume we’re going to either start making shots or take some better ones.

Coit started. I kinda like the fact the 5th starting spot isn't settled. It's between Storr, Griffen, and now Coit. Whoever practices best gets to start next game. Nice incentive.

This is very very bad

Holy ....

3 offensive rebounds and still can’t get it through the hole.

@patoh3 They didn't go back up strong - esp. KJ. Leaned back and just threw one up...

Continuing pattern - not drawing any fouls and getting to the FT line...

This one is over

Who wants it more?

Plus we got Fran!

Unserious team and unserious lineups

Lid on the basket

We need to penetrate and get some fouls.

@patoh3 We haven't been able to do that much the first 8 games...

Kj took himself out another game

There you go Flory.

Plenty of time to turn this around. Ought to be down 20.

Walked

@Crimsonorblue22 his dog

Our ball movement is nonexistent

@kjayhawks other than lazily around the perimeter...

Mitchell should have about 4 fouls by now

@DanR But that wasn't one...

@DCHawker agree, oh well

Drive juando

Harris is playing so awful it's hard to watch

Is anyone playing well?

The one thing we have been doing well all season, even in the Creighton loss, it taking care of the ball - until now...

Broken team. Didn't take long

They are playing so much harder than us

On the bright side, we have 5 offensive rebounds so far.

Flagrant 2 obviously

Fran🤮

When will espn replace the biased leprechaun with a robot commentator?

Guys play too scared when they come in because of bill's godawful rotations

Keep cheating refs

They are playing right years harder than us is the problem we are walking while they are running. We don’t have a player that can go get his own shot

Foul on the rebound. Of course not

apparently Mizzour cannot commit fouls.

Passmore is an epidemic for stepping out of bounds. Pathetic

We are seeing how bad we do against size. Arkansas tall, Creighton tall and Mizzou Tall all destroying us

Passmore must have really big feet

Nice shot juan

Kj u weren't open

Wow

Good job hunt. Go find somewhere else

Chemistry off

Tigers gave up 93 points to Cal last game...

Unfortunately this is the Juan we have seen the last 2 years. Brick, brick, brick and get taken to school on the other end. This team isn’t good sorry they just aren’t

Fran's contempt for KU has rarely been so obvious.

Yes please foul out

These officials are right there with Fran.

Juan, go to the damn rim. Enough floaters

Is Zach Clemente one of our best 7 players right now? It must be said. Sadly.

Zeke is out of sorts.

14 TOs and 6 made buckets....

A made shot feels like finding gold.

Playing bad and the team looks disinterested

Over rated!

I hope they beat us 1,000 to 19. Looks like it could happen

Kind of uninspired, and going through the motions. Doesn't work when you are favored to win. Doesn't work when you are on the road. Doesn't work when you are ranked #1.

This team has zero heart, no one is pissed off and going hard. Lazy over paid pansies

For some reason I still think Mizzou blows it

I think DaJuan has been playing pretty hard, but the team isn't in sync.

Self has to get his head out of his ass the high low doesn’t work and it hasn’t worked for decades.

Penetration has worked but only tried it three times. Got to the rom easily

The crowd gets awfully quiet when we make a basket.

@patoh3 they know the tigers are going to choke

What’s up with this Mississippi State guy?

@DanR Not like we are playing right now.

I’d say I have a better shot at a lottery win than this team coming back to win this game. They haven’t shown any type of grit

We need to string a few together to bring the crowd down. They are in a fervor, the team is feeding on it and the only way to string a few shots and stops together.

@kjayhawks

Add getting hit by lightning as well

Hmmmm

Wow zeke is a mental case

Zeke has to come out he had to have 7 or 8 turnovers himself

Every turnover and foul is like giving the other team a shot of adrenaline. Can't control the idiotic officials, but the turnovers are completely self-inflicted.

@bskeet doesn't work when you're way the hell over-rated.

@kjayhawks

Hunt has 5, zeke has 3

How did Coit be left with the tallest guy?

Their spacing is so much better than ours...

@patoh3

Happens just about every possession. That's coaching

@BeddieKU23 some of Hunt went right thru his hands

WOW. Bold call by the official to call a meaningless foul with 12.2 seconds left. The only purpose of that is to manage stats.

@bskeet I don’t wanna hear the refs talk right now, we couldn’t even pass or catch the damn ball, that’s on us. Missed idk how many wide open 3s

16 - 5 in FTA. That's the biggest difference right now...

all of these highlights of Missouri show show them fouling and no call

Wellp. I blew leaves first half. Looks like 2nd half might blow too.

@approxinfinity I'm fixin to grab a couple of Christmas presents and then go hiking

@kjayhawks It's a combination of factors. We clearly aren't playing well enough to lead the game....turnovers.. etc.

But apparently it's too much to ask for the officials to be somewhat competent. The officiating encourages one team to be as aggressive as they want --pushing, shoving, hammering arms... and penalizes the other team for less. It totally affects the game.

@bskeet I agree the officiating hasn’t been great but I see one team running and hustling. The other team is standing like they are volunteer help this afternoon.

@kjayhawks Fair.

And, if you get penalized when you try to match the aggression and the other team doesn't, that can also contribute to the malaise.

Brick layer zeke!

Zeke is over amped.

Griffen has zero ball handling ability

Should definitely put the smallest guy ever on bates. So successful

We have to be the softest team in D-1...

Beyond soft foul

There are more productive things I can do with my next 45 minutes.

There ya go KJ!!! AWESOME PASS

Apart from the weak-ass TOs, they are constantly attacking the rim. We are allergic to doing so...

Can we just forfeit now? Or put in the scout team?

Remember when Zeke, AJ and Griffen were all supposed to be slashers that could get their own shot? Pepperidge Farm remembers

Maybe Bill will finally have a come to Jesus moment regarding KJ after today's game. I doubt it but it's nice to dream about

@rcjhdraft it old news that KJ stinks against size. He always has and always will. Same could be said for Juan. They are Bigger, Faster and stronger at almost every position out there. It’s really detrimental for this group.

@rcjhdraft

He's doing awesome. Has twice as many turnovers and fouls to points and boards

@BeddieKU23 said in Muck Fizzou:

Broken team. Didn't take long

I’m sticking with the broken coach theory. We can’t even run any semblance of offense at all.

Pathetic can't even get the ball inbounds

This is matching the infamous YMCA game...

Yeah. Officials could call a guy body bumping as the ball is being thrown to him.. But they let that go and instead call the out of bounds caused by the bump.

This would normally be a game you just throw the tape away. But you just did that with the Creighton game.

Bill going to have some soul searching to do

@kjayhawks said in Muck Fizzou:

@rcjhdraft it old news that KJ stinks against size. He always has and always will. Same could be said for Juan. They are Bigger, Faster and stronger at almost every position out there. It’s really detrimental for this group.

Pissed away 3 seasons riding with these guys

@rockchalkjayhawk 100 percent correct Bill built this team and bought it. I know people will come at me on here but Bill Self has made plenty of mistakes. I still stand behind my comment of if Ochai doesn’t get the steal and the dunk in the 2022 round of 32 game vs Creighton. He ain’t our coach right now and everyone hates him.

@kjayhawks Turned down a deadeye shooter in Liam mcneeley for his "Portal Guys"

@Kcmatt7

There's no fixing this trainwreck

Came away with three despite that train wreck of a possession

I start by actually running something that resembles offense. Juan and Mayo are just dribbling the ball in circles doing absolutely fuck fire nothing with it. Move the dam ball from side to side basketball 101

I’m out friends what a rough few weeks for Jayhawk nation.

I’ve been watching coit. Moved a lot but accomplished very little

@DanR probably just you and me

I’m starting to wonder how we’ve actually won any games this year. This doesn’t even look like the same team that beat Duke and others.

I thought Hunter typically played better against guys like him — big and slow.

Can’t even post up the last two games! Literally!

Other than the 16 free throws they’ve made to our 4, stats are starting to even up.

Hitting shots makes a team look good.

That and we seem to play well when playing ahead of the other team.

We don't seem to play as well from behind.

Brick brick from 3

Sad to miss back to back attempted 3s by Dejuan

wide open, I might add

I’m having a hard time seeing this group make up much ground or keeping a sustained run going… but now or never

@BeddieKU23 said in Muck Fizzou:

Brick brick from 3

Ahh Brick. Reminds me of that show The Middle. Probably better to watch that right now.

Nice to see Coit hit one after all that running around he’s been doing

Look, this team is not as bad as they look. There's plenty of talent.

They do need to learn to be prepared for teams that are absolutely JUICED.

Mizzou probably ought to stop trying to run out the clock

It's a different game when they aren't getting continuous help from the officials.

Jeez, hope @kjayhawks doesn't get hit by lightening

We aren’t guarding Mitchell at the 3 anymore. And doing a good job of forcing Bates right.

Defense has got us back in jt

I mean making shots also helps, bur starting on that end

It's a run.. Now can you climb out of a 9-point hole in 9 minutes?

Big effort to get this under 10. Shall see if they got anything left

Bill seems relaxed as hell

So going into the season, we knew we had to outscore teams because the defense would not be good. But now the offense is struggling.

Officials gave us our chance there. We frittered it away.

Barf. Put some fresh legs in

That was it. Bricking layups

Agree.

Hunt has probably been taught since the 4th grade to not put the ball on the floor too.

Started with KJ missing that stupid floater from the side. Argh.

There's not much margin for error when you are trying to come from behind. Definitely not room for three consecutive unproductive possessions.

@Kcmatt7 You and @rcjhdraft are starting to see my frustration based on the results

Afh wins cover stuff but away from afh in March is what matters

Bills roster construction and value of certain things sucks for 2024

Same 5 back out

@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:

@Kcmatt7 You and @rcjhdraft are starting to see my frustration based on the results

Afh wins cover stuff but away from afh in March is what matters

Bills roster construction and value of certain things sucks for 2024

Nah I really think this team is still good personally. But this should definitely be a wake up call for Bill. Luckily happening early in the season tbh

LOL

@DanR can’t get too upset with his heart

He gets these last two seasons not recruiting over “his pets/his guys”

Duke win was nice - perfect matchup but don’t want to see them in March

This team ain’t built to do anything

@Kcmatt7 Same team from last year with main 3 guys and yet u expect a different result

C’mon man!

Another brick Juan! Awesome

Can't hit a shot man.

@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:

@Kcmatt7 Same team from last year with main 3 guys and yet u expect a different result

C’mon man!

Same thing could and was said about the 21 team that became the 22 team.

Can almost at least guarantee this teams layup misses will trend the other way for a few games. So many bunnies not going down.

Missed like 8 in a row

If we hit half of these shots, we're in a 1-2 possession game with 5 min left.

@Kcmatt7 Braun, Och and Wilson were pro’s

Let me know the pro’s on this team big guy

Just a couple threes away from making it interesting still

Hunter's D : Stand and watch your guy hit a 3.

@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:

@Kcmatt7 Braun, Och and Wilson were pro’s

Let me know the pro’s on this team big guy

That was consensus preseason?

And last years team had no bench. None. This team has tons of talent to unlock

Storr is freaking awful

Storr come on

Storr is not awful.

⚡️⚡️⚡️

I'm with @Kcmatt7 -- this team has plenty of talent to be unlocked.

Looks awful tired (storr) where is zeke or griffen

Hunt with the nice pass to adams there. Luckily it wasn't a guard ready to flop

Yeah.. playing from behind is draining. Guys have to be in great condition to charge back.

@bskeet said in Muck Fizzou:

Yeah.. playing from behind is draining. Guys have to be in great condition to charge back.

They started playing too late two games in a row unfortunately.

@BShark Amen.

Both are on the bench where they belong today

They started at the tip against Duke.

It's 2 possessions with 3:21. Have to play a perfect game the rest of the way.

Three and1s and a three by coit last scoring

Coit is going to get real comfortable on the floor the rest of the season. He’s one of the best 5 players

Mizzou fans: classy as ever.

Hunter hedging 30 feet from the bucket leaving a wide open 3

That’s on Self with his awful planning - wth are you doing?

Same dang thing that doesn’t efffin work Bill!!!!!

@Kcmatt7 Yeah he’s a pro so that’s a good thing him playing often (not)’

Where is zeke he sick?

His foot was over the line.

I missed first half why is zeke not playing

Ran out of gas. Same five played the last ten minutes

@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:

I missed first half why is zeke not playing

Because he was terrible in the first hale

Not a true KU fan.

I can’t think of any game where so many shots were missed at the rim

@DanR That’s bad

No Rylan or Zeke - shooters to shoot us back into it

@AsadZ said in Muck Fizzou:

I can’t think of any game where so many shots were missed at the rim

The last one? Lol

I’d like Self to play Flo today

@Kcmatt7 Oh like Hunters 5 turnovers I’ve read yet he’s still out there or Juan and him sucking???

@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:

@DanR That’s bad

No Rylan or Zeke - shooters to shoot us back into it

We got it down to 3 lol.

@AsadZ ding ding ding

@AsadZ said this for two years…maybe it’s the roster?

@Kcmatt7 couple of really bad plays after that killed it

@Crimsonorblue22 Church >>>>basketball or anything else

30 seconds … still time for Mizzou to choke

@AsadZ Hunter hedging 30 feet left mitchell wide open for 3 and his man helped down on the big in the paint

Bill can’t comprehend 3’s versus 2’s and shooting + athletes in todays games

@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:

@AsadZ Hunter hedging 30 feet left mitchell wide open for 3 and his man helped down on the big in the paint

Bill can’t comprehend 3’s versus 2’s and shooting + athletes in todays games

They have been purposely been leaving Mitchell open to shoot the 3 because he’s a bricklayer

Dude it’s clear you don’t even watch the games.

Usually when lots of shots are missed at the rim, it's because the game is incredibly physical. Lots of bumping, hitting makes players alter their shots in anticipation of contact, or they actually get hit on the shot (no call)

I’m not a Bill Self cool aid fan but This L is on players and not bill

@DanR haha u see that last possession???
Zeke to scared to shoot and 30 seconds left we are passing it all over

Teams mentally f’d unless ur Juan, k “cant shoot”
J, or the slow walking turnover

Welp. That kind of sucked. Hope the team learned something

@AsadZ Yeah - no

Bill hasn’t adjusted how to guard a simple ball screen…..he’s toast

Some players have not seen this kind of atmosphere

@AsadZ two games in a row they are seeing it. 🤪

@Kcmatt7 Haven’t addressed how to guard a ball screen

It’s clear you’ve never played the game above maybe upward level

@AsadZ But but our super seniors who are 3-10 on the road have….

Hopefully these can be used as a teaching lesson
All teams go through rough patches

My 2 cents: This week we were out-prepared by our opponents. Today, probably also out-coached, although, the ill-preparation makes it hard to evaluate the true source.

Credit where credit is due: in-game adjustments in the second half cut the 24 pt deficit to 2 pts.

Geez even an unathletic doof like Vernon can see it

Zeke Mayo hesitating there in the last minute is what I'm talkin about.

He hadn't played since the 15 minute mark.

And I don't blame him for not being sure what to do after that.

Mike Vernon
@M_Vernon
The inconsistency in minutes between Rylan Griffen, Zeke Mayo, AJ Storr, and Flory Bidunga cannot be helping them get in any get of rhythm.

This loss was a tough one to place clear blame. I still think Self and the staff had a hard time adjusting in the first half. big blame on them.

But, the players coulda, woulda, shoulda as well.

Zeke starting to worry me.

Game was lost because KU couldn't stop turning the ball over in the first half and Self waited too late to switch who was guarding Bates. Having Mayo and Storr on Bates let him do whatever the hell he wanted to do today.

The defensive liabilities of this team are starting to show up and play out and the rumored roster move at semester isn't going to help, it's only going to make that issue worse.

Fun with stats (or not so fun).

If you took a quick glance at the stats, you'd think Kansas may have won.

FG attempts
KU 63, MU 52

Made FGs
KU 25, MU 23

Made 3 pt shots
KU 8, MU 4

Rebounds
KU 40, MU 29

Assists
KU 13, MU 8

But then it gets ugly

Turnovers
KU 22, MU 11

and the game winning stat for MU

FTs
KU 9-11, MU 26-31

that there is pathetic, again.

The sign said long haired freaky people need not apply. So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why

Sorry. Just wanted to think happy thoughts for a minute

@nuleafjhawk

An Arlo take? Nice man.

Flory is?????
Zeke hesitates on his shots over and over and misses them.
Not sure about AJ he is so stoic I can't read him.
All our new guys have a what just happened look in time outs.
Who can create their own shots on this version of Jayhawks? Juan, Zeke, Coit and maybe AJ a little bit.
Our offense can be really bad.
What type of team gets down by 13/20 points within the first part of games? I was hopeful this year to not be a low 70's to mid 60's team. Ughhhhh!
Hunter played tough inside.

Zeke was a minus -23 today woof. The 3 guys that were brought in to score combined for 9 points. That isn’t going to cut it. This offense has too many guys dribbling around just to dribble around. The ball screen defense is the same garbage it was a year ago. Zeke needs to be benched, he’s too much of a liability on defense if he ain’t making shots.

“I don’t think we had them ready to play,” Self said. “(Missouri’s) pressure and their length obviously was the key element in the game the first 25 minutes, and we didn’t do a good job of understanding that or playing to that."

This kinda sums it up for me. how is it even possible that the coaches can't coach em up properly? Before or during the game. Just don't get it.

Starting to firmly believe you can’t build a title winner around Dajuan, KJ and Hunter.

@rockchalkjayhawk How come missery who didn’t win an sec game last year can out athlete us and have more length

Hmmm maybe Bill’s eye for talent and roster construction within the portal sucks??? His system sucks for even veterans who transfer in to get acclimated?

Supposedly it’s on timing and when it’s off it’s real bad

@TYOHawk - you just now figuring that out?

@kuballin10 said in Muck Fizzou:

@rockchalkjayhawk How come missery who didn’t win an sec game last year can out athlete us and have more length

Hmmm maybe Bill’s eye for talent and roster construction within the portal sucks??? His system sucks for even veterans who transfer in to get acclimated?

Supposedly it’s on timing and when it’s off it’s real bad

@TYOHawk - you just now figuring that out?

I tried to hold out hope due to our portal additions. But with Coach’s weird rotations and our transfers seemingly being neutered I don’t have much hope.

@rockchalkjayhawk Has too much of an emotional attachment to certain players

IDK. Down by 17 at one point in the first half due to a slow start. Start the second half and give up a 16 to 6 run.

@rcjhdraft said in Muck Fizzou:

@rockchalkjayhawk Has too much of an emotional attachment to certain players

This is 100 percent an issue with our program right now.

Every player on this roster has significant holes in their game and every line up combination Self can utilize has at least one glaring weakness on one end of the court.

Self did upgrade the athleticism of the roster, but he over corrected and brought in a bunch of guys who either don't try on defense (Storr and Mayo) or just aren't good defenders (Griffen and Coit).

The newcomers that can play defense (Moore, Bidunga, and Passmore) are offensive liabilities at this stage. I do believe Passmore and Bidunga will be serviceable offensively next season. The rumored Moore for Tillman swap doesn't help that issue as Tillman isn't a great natural athlete based on scouting reports so he won't fix the defensive issues in the front court.

This was something I was saying all offseason about the roster construction for this year being very flawed and the incoming players skills not complimenting the returning players skill sets.

Next season is what I'm much more looking forward to because KU will have a group whose games compliment each other better. Jackson, Peterson, Passmore, Tillman, and Bidunga is a good line up that is much more complete than this season and that's before any other transfers come in.

@Zabudda Arlo? What does he have to do with it?

On offense it’s the same issue as last season Hunt has 2 or 3 guys with him 90% of the time because they is zero threat from 3 at this point. They are daring Juan, Zeke, AJ and Rylen to shoot it. If this team actually moved the ball and had a shooter or two they’d be fine. We could easily be a better team next season with out the trio of Juan, KJ and Hunt

@mayjay I wasn't going to say anything. Mine was Five Man Electric Band. Or Tesla, I guess sigh

Stunning that Coit - almost a portal afterthought - starts, get 26 minutes and 14 points. Our two marquee portal pickups - 2-9 combined for 5 points; toss in 3 TOs, 6 fouls and zero assists...

@TYOHawk He about did it to Remy

Had Kalkenbrenner been healthy we’d been a second round exit in 22. That saved Self from literally having 6 straight second round exits and many blowouts just like usc or zags

That’s unacceptable at KU

Self is like that though…I’d thought he’d matured but he’s more stubborn than Bobby knight.

If his “guys” miss stupid shots like kj floaters or kj open 3’s they continue to play but Rylen rides the pine when he was on a final four team

Oats roster construction with Clifford and Nelson >>>> Hunter and kj

I knew selfs valuation was bad when he raved about an average pg versus the stud in the game he was there to see…..

I never saw the game today. Had to work.

But let me guess... not enough hustle... played slow and deliberate and predictable. Dug a deep hole we couldn't quite get out of.

I see TOs were an issue. So if we played slow, we were probably overthinking. Our guys need to just come mentally prepared where they don't have to think much while playing... just perform at full speed.

Does my comment fit the game, or not?

podcast on way home from meeting new granddaughter (makes this loss not sting a ton TBH) said we have lost 10 of 13 true road games now. This isn't good. I'm at a loss and I didn't even watch the game. Such a promising start to the season has a lot of question marks.

@drgnslayr someone you used to know would call them pu$$ies

@wissox Swain and other posters supposedly “in the know” saying somethings off with the locker room

This is exactly what I predicted when you bring in good players and neuter them along with the quick hook while the pets get unlimited leash and suck

Self did this yet again to himself but his pride makes him think he’s got it all figured out

Dude needs a legit humbling and boy is he getting it with the L’a we about to stack

His judge of talent isn’t great and his ability to integrate them is unfathomably bad

Instead of pushing Remy properly he’d seen annoyed with him……just horrible job at helping players excel and be their best versus mind f’ing them to play passively

@kuballin10 I don't even cheer as hard as I did when Ol Roy was here. I am unmotivated.

@nuleafjhawk I miss that high flying offense but man did we always suck on D

Wish the Iowa boys could have delivered in 2003

Self at least got us over the hump in 2008 with jrs and srs - that took a Memphis collapse

We’ve had a ton of early flameouts due to his style of play….

Glad I didn't end up watching this shit show today. They better get this straightened, and straightened out like now, Same dam song - same song second verse.--- -24 turnovers is just not acceptable We can't play every game at home in the Phog, where by chance we get a lot of favorable calls and other teams fan base is sure to let us know about that -- which to a degree they are right.

AJ Storr is a BAD fit, plays no defense, a lot of times looks dis interested just a really bad fit , kind of like Hawkins for K/State-- has for sure under preformed, hmmm , Storr , Hawkins must be a big 10 thing.

Yet for some here might want to pay attention already this year in Basketball KU by far is not the only team stinking up the place- - Arizona stinks- -- U Conn is not that great - - as of right now anyways, - - Baylor getting beat multiple times , that's just naming three of the prominent teams there are others that suck too.

More FYI the Big Twelve in General this season sucks, this Conference is in no way the power conference it has been the past years. The SEC is by far the dominant Conference , not even close. - They are probably going to get twelve in the NCAA been mentioned by several outlet's and couldn't agree more, talk about their whole Conference will end the Season in a tourney - -NCAA's or NIT.

I wouldn't want to guess who is winning the Big Twelve, right now for sure no dominant team, going to be ugly. Again KU better get their act together - out of our three so called prize portal transfers, very easily turn into a bitch of a Season unless they figure it out, only Mayo has at least play ok in most games, maybe not today but sure the hell better then Storr , Griffen looks lost

@SlimShaddy54 ISU

Otz may be better team builder and coach this year and last than Bill

Heck Mark Pope has UK looking legit with his offensive schemes and all his brand new transfers (only 1 came from byu that plays)

@nuleafjhawk I knew it was 5MEB, never heard of Tesla! One of my favorite songs from oh-so-many years ago.

@SlimShaddy54 Storr was not great but I feel that's more on self. Storr was a known gunner coming out of the portal and self has given him zero leeway and let guys like Kj and Dajuan chuck up shots and pout on the court.

AJ's the pouter! Body language is bad. He needs to man up and play for on name on the front of the jersey, it's Kansas! See man see ball. We taught that, learned that when we were little! Man up! 💪🏽

@Crimsonorblue22 Body language was rather bad in general today

@rcjhdraft said in Muck Fizzou:

@SlimShaddy54 Storr was not great but I feel that's more on self. Storr was a known gunner coming out of the portal and self has given him zero leeway and let guys like Kj and Dajuan chuck up shots and pout on the court.

Playing favorites will have ramifications

Playing guys w/bad attitudes is worse.

@Crimsonorblue22 To quote the best movie of all time

“Attitude reflects leadership….captain”

@BShark Legit D1 players are tired of the favoritism and from what I just heard wish they were back in bama….

Coaches knew what they were getting in AJ. Trying to make a round hole with square peg. Gotta get guys that are fits and he isn't one of them currently.

Hopefully this was just a bad week and there will be good that comes out of it. Otherwise, we are in for a rough ride if that's what this team really is. Both Creighton and Missouri brought different styles of pressure on defense and Self and his team were not even prepared to handle it.

Starting lineup had 18 turnovers and a majority of them were not good, getting the ball inbounds, getting past half court, making first pass to initiate offense was a major challenge.

Juan shot 11-35, 4-14 from 3 this past week. Teams baited him to do exactly what he did. We were supposed to have plenty of offense where he didn't need to be the offense but here, we are again, and it worked. Zeke is 6-28 from 3 since UNC.

Mayo, Griffen, Storr, Coit all averaging half the ppg they averaged last year. Not a good look for transfers coming here. Everyone is down but Harris. This offense is a mess.

@BeddieKU23 You last paragraph is the hard truth right now

Between not integrating transfers better and not running plays to get those three open shots we are really struggling

Trying to have the little 3 carry the scoring load like last year didn’t turn out well nor will it this year

Hope Self is the mature adult and finds a way to break the harden barrier that is these transfers. Should be open communication with him actively listening to their frustrations and trying to get on the same page with how they feel and how that shows up in their play

He’s admitted to being in aj’s head but that’s not the only one (I got bama ties last night I found out about through a client who played there back in the day but still is connected with the progrum)

@mayjay

That is from a kinda protest song from the Vietnam era by Arlo Guthrie called Signs which was pointing out the conservative thinking about the drug and freedom culture fueled by the summer of love in 1968? Started on the coasts and reached Kansas about 1971 or so. The draft and the dishonesty from the military, LBJ was awful, and it was our first war that had 24/7 on the ground coverage showing the politicos and glory seekers in a new light. I know a lot more because I was a scribe working for the brass who realized that having draftees in the shit when they didn't want to be there was a big danger to their fellow soldiers. Supposed to have your buddies back and vice versa was getting iffy at best. It started with discharging about anyone who wanted out with a generic discharge of "less than honorable conditions or expiration of service. Started about 1971 and "casual platoons" were based bound until due process of about 11 months discharged them. We/they worked on changing the process and by the end of 1972 or so separation from service was accomplished in less than one month. Ha. More than you wanted to know I'm sure.

The season is about 1/4 done and overall the least reliable numbers to go by but I can't let that stop me.
We are a low scoring team with holes in our defense. It doesn't look like the team is enjoying themselves which allows us posters to not be happy either. We are like a bowl of jello that has just been put in the fridge and has yet to jell.
My question is what color of jello? I hope BShark isn't banning for excessive whatever I am.

@rcjhdraft The problem with that is Storr is/was a black hole , you get him the ball your not getting it back , he is a Cancer and what am hearing part of a problem in the locker room- watch his actions on the Court after he gets pulled Talk about pouting

@kuballin10 Don't let the door hit him in the ass on his way out. - -He found his way in he can sure the hell find his way out

Storr's +/- yesterday was +14. Don't know what to make of it exactly.

The transfers are getting open looks, wide open!

@SlimShaddy54 said in Muck Fizzou:

@rcjhdraft The problem with that is Storr is/was a black hole , you get him the ball your not getting it back , he is a Cancer and what am hearing part of a problem in the locker room- watch his actions on the Court after he gets pulled Talk about pouting

I’ve been looking, but haven’t noticed Storr pouting at all. Seems lively enough

@rockchalkjayhawk ha, you better look again, his whole aura , body language mercy

We knew it was going to take time for this team to gel with the new faces. Seemed like they had it together until this week for some reason. Both crowds impacted them negatively, both defensive game plans impacted them. Creighton and Missouri had known ways of how they wanted to attack KU and had no resistance especially in the first half in doing so. It does seem like a lot of these guys need to make shots to be engaged/play well. Defensively this group is a mess and does not really have a stopper to depend on so defense isn't going to be this teams calling card. We've seen KJ, Griffen and Harris "D Up" for games but rarely do we get those games as a collective. There's a lot more to work on then the ranking they had would suggest.

Man, this thread...

People bashing Self and somehow it's all on him?? These fn players get PAID NOW. How about STFU, quit pouting, and do what the coach says? You know the coach who knows what it takes to win.

I made my third trip to Kansas for the UNC game from my home in Ohio this season, mostly because my son who's 14 enjoys it. The Fieldhouse and Coach Self are the main draws now because the players change yearly in the NIL era so it's not for them anymore. Seeing Mayo, the local kid, have a great game that night was refreshing. I've loved college basketball for a long time, but all of this is getting toxic and tiring. Once Self retires I'll probably lose interest.

@BeddieKU23 Well be our luck now because ranking enough lower they won't think they need to work as hard - - Ranked 10th, actually they are not as low as I thought they might be. -- I'm not real sure they are a top 10 team at this point.

@BigBad Well said. I've tried to say before, if it was acceptable by the NCAA regulation, after performances like this last week if he could get away with it Coach Self would make sure these guys had an understanding about the game of basketball

Thing is a Coach can only do so much, he can grill these kids , keep running the same things , basic things and such but at the end of the day it's the players responsibility to handle business, He can't go out on the floor , bring the ball up the floor , make the right passes , make the right decisions , get the rebounds , set the screens , defend the ball , play the pick and roll on defense , That falls on the players

Coach doesn't have time to baby sit some of these guys - -guys that think they should start - -play 30/33/35 minutes a game without proving their case and showing they deserve those things.- -There is not a single person in this chat room that doesn't know that if you don't play defense or at least try to play defense then your not going to play. There are some players that think there is only one end the court - -the offensive end, but even then you would think there was some deadly formula on the back boards that will be fatal if they should by accident try and get after a offensive rebound.

You have certain players that just don't want to try and defend, they just want to play the offensive end, and don't do a very good job of that either , by making bad decisions with very bad shot selection , forced shots and errant dum passes.

I'll give Flory & Passmore a little bit of a pass with this right now- -they are Freshmen still learning , but when you have fifth , sixth yr players- -experienced portal players that's play college ball when your having them play like they are and some it shows as long as they are getting that NIL - it's like eh, I'm not playing defense , I'm not worried about effort, they don't give a dam about who they are representing as long as they have their NIL they are good to go.
IF there are players that are wishing they were back at Alabama , or Wisconsin or where the frick ever I'd be the first one showing them the door. You want out?- -then get the hell out and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. We want kids here at KU that WANT TO BE HERE because of our rich Basketball history, not just NIL

@BeddieKU23 So, just posing the question - why wouldn't it take even much more time to gel at UK, with both portal additions and a new coach???

@BigBad I think the majority of the blame is squarely on Selfs shoulders. The team that he constructed wasn’t ready to play. He is basically in the role of coach and GM of this program. He hand picked these players, so yes it is on him he has to have accountability for this. As I’ve stated and others 2022 likely saved his job. Not to go full blown Kensucky fan on here but he’s has the talent to win a national title every other year on average.

@SlimShaddy54 probably not. Top 10 teams don't lose back to back games to unranked teams. We shouldn't be top 25.

Self took a bunch of 3 stars and 3 and 4 yr players to win a National Championship. They played as a team and played for each other. Self played Big Dave when I listened to most people on here cussing coach! AJ came w/attitude problems, he knew how Self coached, he knows he could be a star if he’d let him coach him up. J Will, Young Och, CB all are doing great! I think coach knows more than anyone on here. Let's hope those 3 transfers get their sh1! together.

@Crimsonorblue22 :hundred_points:

@kjayhawks You get my gripe and it is very simple

Self throws papers down and throws a tantrum with some of the newbies shot selection or defense but “his guys” make the same mistakes and are allowed to play through it

Rylan is a starter from a final 4 team and already “proven it” elsewhere.

Either Self is that stupid to not see his bias (very possible like the majority of parents who say they don’t have a favorite kid but respond favorably/patient to 1 but not the others) or he just doesn’t care. That paired with his staff not pointing out his shortcomings or he’s too prideful to even consider it….not sure which but it is 100% on Self

He recruited and brought these guys in after watching all sorts of film and knowing their games

If he can’t get them to gel because “he’s in their heads” his words not mine - that’s the literal proof he’s eff’d it up

When 90% of the Joe smoes behind a keyboard can see the drastic favoritism…..u don’t think this veteran transfers are not seeing it???? They are experiencing it and pissed!

Self’s old school- trust seniors give them a long leash and ride hard the freshman. Dude can’t grasp how to properly orient his teams which is evident by all the talent and a ton of early flame outs

@Crimsonorblue22 With the transfer portal we don’t have 3-4 years for Self to finally trust guys and let them play through mistakes

Those 3 and 4 stars worked on their game and became nba players. They’d done the same thing no matter what blue blood they went to.

Self and his system didn’t win that title those guys actually saved his arse on it giving him his second lucky title

The 2008 was full of what….oh no kidding jrs and srs

Self ain’t built for this portal era and we should have seen it coming.

He said after the heart stuff we were gonna level up and instead we’ve leveled down….what a crap show

@BigBad keep polishing that turd big guy and telling yourself with those rose colored glasses it will be alright

Circle back in March

SLOW DOWN... people! Is it the end of our season already?

I stayed up last night and watched the game on tape. It was bad... no question. Is it the end? Hell no?

Is it possible we were too optimistic about our incoming transfers' play in the fall? Hell yes! I'm not going to flip out yet. I know we all have some PTSD from last year, but this is not that team and give it time.

It is normal for players to come in and start cold on a new team. They are unsettled. Doesn't matter that they are experienced D1 players. I am definitely willing to take some bad losses now instead of later. I keep flashing back to 2022 and how bad Kentucky smoked us in AFH. We played like p*sses in that game... just like now.

The KUSports article calls it right in that this team has no identity yet. But also, individual players have no identity, too.

All I care about is how we are trending later in the year. Sure worked in 2022!

Right now we need only ONE PLAYER to step up and fight like it's Meso ball! I still say the #1 underachiever on this team is the guy who is also famous on this team for hustling... KJ! With a body like his and athleticism to go with it, to see him averaging 3 or 4 rebounds a game is pathetic. And it gives the entire team an excuse to slack off on some duties. If he would just focus on what it takes to own the boards... he should be averaging near double-digit numbers in rebounds, even playing beside a guy like Hunter.

I think the trey shooting will come around. I'm really not worried about it. The guys will go work their butts off over Christmas to develop some flow and watch those numbers climb.

Our confidence has been punched in the gut. But we will come off the canvas and fight back. These guys will find they have enough pride to get up and fight. Even Hunter will take on the challenge once the team trends in the right direction. He's a unique guy, not really a leader, yet he will fight when the team fights.

Self will figure this out. He'll review tape and see how the guys got out of their rhythm then will address it with them to right the ship.

So glad we are no longer #1. That never bodes well for us to be ranked at the top!

@DCHawker said in Muck Fizzou:

@BeddieKU23 So, just posing the question - why wouldn't it take even much more time to gel at UK, with both portal additions and a new coach???

Well, that question could be answered several ways. Sometimes coaches have that initial success at a new stop bringing in guys and then struggle to sustain. The Missouri coach is a good example from a few years back, basically a new team through the portal with success but then couldn't win a game in the SEC last year. Again, I think the Portal is something this staff needs to continue to figure out what is the best approach. It's still early, we've seen a mixed bag from the transfers so far.

Where is the “Fire Dan Hurley” thread? Lol

@approxinfinity Hurley is more likely to fire himself. 😂

@kuballin10 Ok man. I for one NEVER bought into the #1 ranking. I also understand you don't win titles year after year, hence I don't get upset like you do.

@approxinfinity Oh GOD forbid - - KUballin 10 - - help us ol wise one where is the fire Dany Hurley thread help us please oh mighty one

We may not win another game.

@BigBad " I also understand you don’t win titles year after year "

Unless your name is UCONN

Or Kansas City Chiefs

After both Creighton and the slavers I think panic is reasonable. We now know this team does not win on the road

@nuleafjhawk I’m a chargers fan so I can tell you it’s becoming obvious chiefs fandom arrogance and rediculous expectations are leaking over into Kansas basketball.

@BigBad Nope. KU has been exceedingly more prosperous, more Conference Championships, more National Championships, more overall success by a landslide than the Chiefs ever have.

Since you're not a Chiefs fan, you have the same attitude towards them that every other team not named Kansas has towards us - you hate them because they're highly successful.

There is an answer to that - be better.

From TOS which sums up Self. Self is 1 & 2. If anyone wants to debate it bring your proof and feel free…..

1. A mediocre coach can have a good system but recruits players who do not fit his system and then try to force them to fit his system.
2. A good coach has a good system and recruits players who fit his system.
3. A great coach recruits great players, forgets whatever system he has had, and develops a new scheme that would maximize the potentials of the players and forma a great team.

Unfortunately, the performance of the coach in these last two seasons belongs to the first category.

It’s evil to keep shoving us in at preseason #1 every year. First, we don’t deserve it and just builds the hate against us because we get judged as privileged. I’ve heard us mentioned in the same foul wind as Puke! Second, I believe it thwarts our development.

Wait, are we calling Self a "mediocre" coach now? FFS

@drgnslayr a ranking from some media heads has nothing to do with how the team plays

@Woodrow straw man arguments out to play today

State your case on what I posted about the 3 options or heck create a new one idc but something besides over exaggerating what was posted

@kuballin10 What exactly did I over exaggerate? I used your word, did I not?

Also, for the record myself or anyone else with a functioning brain doesn't have to state a case for Bill Self. His records speak for themselves. People acting like he forgot to coach, is "mediocre", etc.. are just telling on themselves. It makes them sound dumb and uneducated when it comes to basketball.

@Woodrow Fair enough

Last 5 years and this year he’s had 1 title and a bunch of mediocre by KU standards

This year, last year and the year before will be 2nd round bounces with blowouts

Do you ever remember a KU team getting blown out this much on the road???

@kuballin10 First of all we have no idea what is going to happen this year.

Road performances are an issue, but I am not going to freak out about this year 9 games in.

Also, lets not forget about the COVID tournament being cancelled. That team was elite. It is not HCBS fault a pandemic hurt.

Let's see what happens over the next month.

I saw Rylan Griffen report to the scorers table enter the game and chuck up a clanker from 30 feet and looked bad doing it. Self pulled him and replaced him with a guy who had been tearing it up by going 1 for 7 on corner threes and Juan thought I'll shoot 21 times because what have we got to lose? I think that Juan could reasonably make 50% of his threes and drives if he did it every game. Mayo might also when he actually has an idea of where he is going before he drives or receives a pass and quits the cute pocket passes because no one has been ready even once. Hunter might as well keep chucking pull up threes because as slow as he is on the fast break he will have plenty of opportunities and might get in a rhythm. Can we learn team defense and relieve Hunter and Flory from ball switching duties and leaving the lane completely empty? I really don't know how good this team made up of talented ballers can get but it better get going in a hurry because our stats are mid to lower tier in comparison to the conference teams. I have been watching teams play hard on both ends of the floor and show team togetherness and it's enjoyable to see. If a player dogs it and doesn't big time hustle on every play you see them sitting on the bench where they can hurt the team there also by denying the display of their real talents. No one but Coit seems to get it from off the bench. Quit subbing in bewildered looking guys. Give Zach more of Flory's minutes and see who wants it the most. Come on Zeke, AJ and Rylan you are scorers and not a waddle of penguins outside the three point line. Run into people, get your shots blocked and you might end up in a place called offensive rebound land. Foul out getting charges instead of making lousy passes. Show the scouts you are not a possible pouting head case. NIL donors please make these guys do embarrassing ads for goodness sakes.

@kuballin10 ya believe Villanova did yrs back, just curb stomped KU

@Woodrow This team is the same 3 dudes plus a little better bench

Winning on the road is the best predictor for neutral site success. Our Duke win was niicceee no argument there but if we get not just beat but beat bad on the road again that will speak volumes

That Covid team was nasty defensively but I think they’d ran into an offensive buzzsaw similar to those 16-19 Nova teams and gotten got in the final 4. They labored to score with Marcus Garrett at the 2 spot…it was throw it in to Doke and let him carry us.

We saw that final 4 script against nova a few years before which resulted in yet another blowout

Bill’s system of valuing 2’s over 3’s isn’t backed by data or analytics. NBA the highest level of ball has figured it out but Self and his Sutton ways are still stop easy buckets and go get them. This isn’t the 1980’s when the game in college wasn’t as physical or athletic as it is now. Go watch the 88 title game and then pull up us against missery and it’s night and day different on hand checking and shoving dudes

@Woodrow I copied that post

Bill is not mediocre by any means but he isn’t as great as his record shows….kinda like Brady having 7 rings in a team sport but winning a Super Bowl scoring 13 points or winning another 1 where the entire playoffs he threw 1 td pass

There aren’t in my opinion many excellent coaches

Roy had his flaws here

Coach K had plenty of 1st round exits as Duke as well

That’s why what UConn did last year was so crazy just steam rolling the ncaa tourney TWICE

Boy is Hurley a turd though….im sawwffttt cause I wouldn’t want titles if it meant he was our coach….keep that immature, terrible arrogant man away from our precious/historic progrum

From Matt Tait quoting the man himself….he’s 1&2 but not 3 based on his own words

Self said they don't really recruit to an identity when they're putting a team together. They recruit potential & hope that it can play the #KUbball way, with a premium on defense, toughness, winning 50/50 balls, etc.

Some direct , very honest , strong , solid statements from Coach: -- - It used to be you threw the ball inside to draw fouls and get free throws, that's not the case anymore. You drive the ball, attack the rim -- -we don't have guys that drive the ball.

Guys not being comfortable, and until they get comfortable instead of thinking, they have to get to the point of reacting instead of thinking.

Did mention AJ , someone ask about AJ & Coach said he isn't doing either , said Aj is not driving the ball, attacking the rim. He said AJ averaged like four free throw attempts last Season , he said this Season he is averaging a little over one - -maybe like one . two

Said we don't have guys driving to the basket.

He mentioned something and just totally threw the biggest curve to me. He said and I am now totally lost cause Coach was ask about Shaq Moore- - Last I knew or heard Shaq was done at KU , would never step on the floor again, that he would transfe out at Semester - - So he was ask about Shaq , and said Shaq had practiced the last couple of days and was good, and they hoped thhey could get him on the floor. Whaaaaa ? - -what did I miss ? - -what changed ? He did say they wasn't going to just throw him in the game just for him to get minutes, but said he was doing good.--- I'm lost on Shaq's role now, but sounds to me from what Coach making statement like that - -He isn't going anywhere

@SlimShaddy54 Seasoned guys from other legit D1 schools come here and immediately forget how to play? They quit attacking the rim, start thinking more than playing……

So did they forget or is this a coaching issue? I’d lament we have over a decades worth of proof it is the latter

For Bill claiming you drive it…we sure throw it inside a ton still and we don’t drive it. We also have a pass first pg who rarely drives it due to his athleticism and he’s pass first

Bill’s issues are roster construction and taking the dog out of transfers trying to completely overhaul their entire game. He’s in their head and adds the quick hook in games

He’s the reoccurring common denominator

Isu’s transfers aren’t having these issues, UK as well, Zags also…

Graham Ike >>>Hunter - wish Bill would have scouted the talent better

@kuballin10 Good Night