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KU Roster for 25-26
Mar 24, 2025 12:07 AM #1

May as well look ahead to see what's in store for next season.

I'll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I'll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

Roster size: 14 (includes ALL but DSA players. Normally it's 15, but we lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 13 (a bit sketchy given the DSA rules)

RETURNEES (4)

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Jamari McDowell

PF Bryson Tiller

C Flory Bidunga

RETURNING WALK ONS? (3 -- and potential "designated student athletes")

G Wilder Evers

G Will Thengvall

F Justin Cross

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (5)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

G Corbin Allen -- Oak Park High School

SG Kohl Rosario

C Paul Mbiya — not sure what year he is

PORTAL ADDITIONS (4)

G Jayden Dawson via Loyola Chicago. One year of eligibility left.

G/F Tre White via Illinois -- previous stops at Louisville, USC. One year of eligibility left.

G Melvin Council Jr. via St. Bonaventure -- previous stop at Wagner. One year of eligibility left.

PG Nginyu Ngala via Canada. he's like 28 years old! Likely a senior.

BIG QUESTION MARK (1)

SF Jaden Nickens -- A football player who may play hoops. May have to count against the roster before the season begins.

HAVE ENTERED PORTAL (6 — initially entered, but will return)

G/F AJ Storr -- signed with Ole Miss

G/F Rylan Griffen — signed with Texas AM

G/F Rakease Passmore — signed with Maryland

PF/C Zach Clemence -- signed with Texas A&M

G David Coit -- signed with Maryland

G Noah Shelby -- signed with Texas A&M

Mar 24, 2025 12:11 AM #2

I’m hearing Griffen showed up to the Peterson game along with Flory, Jackson and Cross. Prob a good sign for him returning

Mar 24, 2025 02:17 AM #3

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

May as well look ahead to see what's in store for next season.

I'll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I'll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

Scholarships available: 12 (lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 7 (some assumptions in here to start off)

RETURNEES (5) -- some assumptions in here to start off

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Rakease Passmore

G/F Jamari McDowell

C Flory Bidunga

PF Bryson Tiller

POSSIBLE RETURNEES (5)

PF/C Zach Clemence

G David Coit

G/F Rylan Griffen

G/F AJ Storr (gotta assume he's out the door)

G Noah Shelby

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (2)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

May as well look ahead to see what's in store for next season.

I'll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I'll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

Scholarships available: 12 (lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 7 (some assumptions in here to start off)

RETURNEES (5) -- some assumptions in here to start off

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Rakease Passmore

G/F Jamari McDowell

C Flory Bidunga

PF Bryson Tiller

POSSIBLE RETURNEES (5)

PF/C Zach Clemence

G David Coit

G/F Rylan Griffen

G/F AJ Storr (gotta assume he's out the door)

G Noah Shelby

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (2)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

Scholarship and roster limit is 15 beginning next season. I would also put Noah Shelby in the returnee category since he also took a redshirt this season like McDowell. There's no point in his situation to come in redshirt for a year and transfer out.

Mar 24, 2025 10:06 AM #4

FYI, Swain on 247 says it's very likely both Storr and Coit enter the transfer portal. Clemence is not expected back either.

Also reporting the buzz is Griffen will also enter but has a source saying that's not 100% done yet. Tracks with all the talk on him for the past month or so.

KU will likely have 6 spots open.

Mar 24, 2025 10:29 AM #5

If all of this happens, wow, but not unexpected.

KU will need three starters from the portal (PG or SG, SF, PF), at least one more guard, two additional Bigs (backup 4 and 5).

Big off-season's for Jackson and Passmore awaits as you need both to be ready to be counted on. Elmarko got a glimpse of that at least his freshman year. Jamari is another you need to at least be serviceable as your potential 4th/5th guard.

Tiller's setback is significant as far as being a rotation guy year 1. He's missed a year of ball at this point so need to be cautious here. Expectations are low for Calderon from those that have watched him.

I think we need to recognize this could be a potential rebuild year unless you hit on just about everything in the portal to complement Peterson/Flory. Do you go with veterans, or do you go with young talent that can be developed. I don't know the right answer but perhaps better to lean heavily in one area (young) and perhaps get 1 or 2 veterans to fill the gaps you really need to have proven talent at.

Mar 24, 2025 12:24 PM #6

@BeddieKU23 that’s my worry as well we could end up being solid and better than this season very easily. The trouble is if we look like a team that is a year away it will be next to impossible to keep everyone. Flory and Peterson likely are NBA draft bound after next season.

Mar 24, 2025 12:42 PM #7

@kjayhawks

Peterson for sure at this stage. Flory I'm not sure about next year, TBD for sure. I'd like to think we have a punters shot at getting a 3rd year from him. He isn't magically going to become a polished scorer or show the strength to handle the post full-time so I see that as more of a 2 year plan. Wishful thinking on that end some though.

Mar 24, 2025 01:43 PM #8

@BeddieKU23 The thing with leaning on the young players is you will have some people that is on here and other areas start saying if we were to do that-- -Well Self needs to Go he missed the portal again , he doesn't know how to recruit anymore, the game has passed him by, why are we recruiting these young players, we MUST WIN NOW and that would all be BEFORE the opening tip of the Season.

For me I agfree it's gonna to be really hard to figure which way to go . If it turns out we need massive replacements I think we might just stay put on HS kids now, MAYBE one more if you can find a solid player that hasn't committed don't think your going to find any stud that probably hasn't committed already, but a good solid 30-50 range player to go with Peterson Calderon and tiller..

I think if he qualifies which I hadn't realized he was having trouble with that , but if he does Calderon I think just might surprise some people and be a little better then we think

I dunno cause kind of feel/think I consider McDowell / 7 even Passmore young to go with Peterson and Tiller, because yes they have been in the program but when they hit the floor it still is going to be a pretty new experience because they both have seen vey little court time but have at least been in the System I thin Kease is going to have to b ready to play more minutes, with obviously El Marko. It's going to be a vey interesting next year, Got to have some experience but where is that coming from ? - - -Flory ? who else you got with quality minutes from this year ?

Mar 24, 2025 01:44 PM #9

@kjayhawks Well there is no doubt Peterson will be gone, already projected quite possibly the # one pick in the draft - -If Flory has a solid year, pretty decent chance he goes too

Mar 24, 2025 10:55 PM #10

It’s getting torn down to the studs (plus Jamari)

Mar 24, 2025 11:08 PM #11

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

It’s getting torn down to the studs (plus Jamari)

Wasn't Jamari supposed to be a great shooter? We gonna see that next year?

Mar 24, 2025 11:26 PM #12

@FarmerJayhawk flory, and ?

Mar 24, 2025 11:26 PM #13

@FarmerJayhawk Hopefully this applies to a majority of the staff and Bill revamping his philosophy as well…..

Hard look in the mirror is required

Mar 24, 2025 11:56 PM #14

@rockchalkjayhawk

Shot 28% as a freshman. Hope he's improved there

Mar 25, 2025 01:39 AM #15

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

It’s getting torn down to the studs (plus Jamari)

Wasn't Jamari supposed to be a great shooter? We gonna see that next year?

He’s got some potential there. But right now he’s a poor mans Travis Releford

Mar 25, 2025 01:41 AM #16

@Crimsonorblue22 Flory, Elmarko, Darryn, Kease

Mar 25, 2025 01:59 AM #17

@FarmerJayhawk thx, the only ones staying?

Mar 25, 2025 04:15 AM #18

@Crimsonorblue22 I think so, yeah

Mar 25, 2025 04:22 AM #19

@FarmerJayhawk counting tiller? Their choice or coaches?

Mar 25, 2025 02:21 PM #20

@FarmerJayhawk WOW , if that's the case you wasn't kidding when you said bare huh --Mercy , I would of though with Jamari red shirting he would of stuck for another year. - -Lot's of work to do for sure if that's the case TOTALLY new roster

Mar 25, 2025 02:38 PM #21

@SlimShaddy54 i think he said in addition to Jamari

Mar 25, 2025 02:56 PM #22

I'll gain even more respect for Elmarko/Jamari if they stick around another year which seems likely at this stage. I hope to be pleasantly surprised at their developments. Elmarko came in with high hopes/former burger boy. Jamari was a Top 100 kid as well in what was a weak class overall. Big offseasons for this duo

Mar 25, 2025 03:37 PM #23

Player/Coach meetings ongoing. We'll likely see movement starting this week I'm guessing.

Mar 25, 2025 03:47 PM #24

I wondered if players weren't asked back or if they left by choice.

Mar 25, 2025 03:48 PM #25

@approxinfinity Oh , you mean these guys in addition to Jamari staying.

Mar 25, 2025 04:08 PM #26

@Crimsonorblue22

Good Q, not sure how that convo is going with this new era. I'm sure guys like Storr/Griffen have been back channeling about their options before the meeting even occurs so it's likely players have decisions made going in (I'm sure the coaches know as well). In both players cases, it's been heavily rumored both have been shopping for a while. Tampering and shopping behind the scenes is the new way.

Mar 25, 2025 04:38 PM #27

I'm sure if Storr and Rylan were wanted back it would be w/a lot less $! I can't imagine them getting much any where else.

Mar 25, 2025 05:44 PM #28

@Crimsonorblue22

There's some stuff out there that the price of P4 starters will be going up with the revenue sharing.

Mar 25, 2025 06:34 PM #29

@BeddieKU23 be crazy to pay them much!

Mar 25, 2025 07:01 PM #30

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BeddieKU23 be crazy to pay them much!

I would agree on both. Storr was the bigger miss due to his price tag but really both were just not effective here.

I wouldn't be surprised to see both get paid well (but agree they probably won't make what they did this year) at new schools if both move on as is expected.

Mar 25, 2025 09:38 PM #31

Griffin seemed like he could be a KU guy. Never seemed confident or comfortable though. Storr…smh

Mar 26, 2025 11:56 PM #32

Anybody know if KJ will be around the program next season while he's rehabbing? Seems like he'd make a great GA for a year while he's rehabbing and getting back into basketball shape.

Mar 27, 2025 04:55 PM #33

I've seen articles that quote Bill Self as saying they'll find a place for him during during his rehabilitation year.

Mar 27, 2025 06:26 PM #34

@Texas-Hawk-10 @ImmunoHawk love this. Another guy who gives everything around the program seems like a big win for us in addition to a win for KJ.

Mar 31, 2025 12:16 AM #35

The roster is shrinking pretty quickly here.

More news coming soon I assume.

Mar 31, 2025 12:24 AM #36

We’re gonna have posters on here trying out pretty soon.

Mar 31, 2025 01:19 PM #37

No Diggy no doubt

Mar 31, 2025 01:38 PM #38

Good opportunity for the staff to find some hidden gems and not just big names.

Bill replaced all 5 starters 2 or 3 times and won the league the next season… Just throwing that out there.

Mar 31, 2025 01:50 PM #39

@Kcmatt7 love the optimism. This could be Bill Selfs greatest coaching year, it he is up for it.

Mar 31, 2025 03:53 PM #40

Well with all these departures we have only ONE left to go --AJ Storr cause we know he is gone-- that leaves us with McDowell , Jackson & Peterson unless Petersons flips- - What a costly Season

Apr 01, 2025 02:18 AM #41

Something I want to say for next season while deep diving the issues this season on the court woth the offense.

Talent evaluation absolutely killed KU this season. Zeke and Coit were good fits on offense, but their ceilings were low enough to keep them from being true star players. Missing on the scouting of AJ and Rylan absolutely killed KU because they were supposed to be the NBA level talent to lift Dejuan and KJ up because those two were always supposed to be the role/support starters. Below is my breakdown of the offense and the fits of everyone in the offense.

AJ was known to be a terrible fit from day 1, Rylan was a bit more surprising, but less so after a deep dive on his skills and background. We all know Self's offense is based off a motion offense. There's rules to a motion offense to make it successful with the most important one being players that know how/when to cut and move without the ball, and a post player that is good passer.

I'll probably get some disagreements here, but Hunter Dickinson was an ideal 5 for Self's system. He was a top level passer amd could stretch the floor. When he got the ball at the top of the key, teams had to respect that Hunter could and would take that shot.

I'll also probably get even more disagreements here by say that Dejuan Harris was a good fit for Self's offense. He was good at probing defenses and forcing them to react and was generally pretty good at kicking out to the perimeter.

KJ was an okay fit for the offense. He was a good cutter which led to a lot of easy baskets and a solid ball handler, but his lack of outside shooting is what limited him and hurt the offense because teams didn't have to respect that because he never shot 3's.

Zeke was a very good fit on offense because he was great a moving without the ball and getting himself open for catch and shoot 3's, or if he had the ball in his possession, his step back 3 was also a very strong weapon. Diggy Coit was the same boat as Zeke on offense as their games are very similar to each other.

The reason AJ Storr was a terrible fit on offense was because he is an iso player. There's a reason I comped him to James Harden so frequently and that's because Storr needed the ball in his hands and everyone else to clear out so he could take his man one on one. That's not Self's offense and why AJ struggled so much here. I assume Storr is still planning on leaving, but if he stays for whatever reason, he's just not a good fit for Self's offense unless he works to reinvent his game this offseason.

Now to Rylan Griffen and why he didn't work out despite seemingly being an ideal fit on paper. Nate Oats doesn't run much real offense. It's very free flowing and simplistic which has it's pros and cons, but it's something that doesn't require a lot of knowledge on cutting and reading defenses. This is why Griffen struggled so much this year. He wasn't good at reading defenses or his teammates and would frequently either not move and camp in the corner (I tell my players all the time a statue is the easiest thing to guard), or he's would make the wrong read and make a bad cut and end up out of position. Griffen didn't have a high enough basketball IQ to pick up Self's system which is why he frequently looked lost on the floor.

For next season, we have Darryn Peterson and possibly Elmarko Jackson as starters and that's it. Peterson is a star and could thrive in any system, but what should make him lethal under Self is his ability woth or without the ball. He understands how to make cuts and create his own shots without the ball in his hands. He's a perfect fit for a motion offense.

As for everyone else, we saw Elmarko struggle playing off the ball because he wasn't great at making the right reads and cuts, but as a lead guard, he is a playmaker.

But it sounds like Self is looking to add another starting caliber point guard, but as of now, there's not much out there. A lead guard who run a motion offense and understands passing angles is a must. This was something Dejuan thrived at so we'll see if Self ends up running Elmarko out there or finding someone else.

As for the 3 and 4 spots, Josh Dix a as good a fit for a Self offense as there is. Fran McCaffery didn't run a motion offense, but ran a zone offense that utilized a lot of cutting to get players to their spots so there might be a small learning curve with Dix, but noting he shouldn't be able to pick up quickly. Players that know how to cut and move without the ball are vital to Self's offense and we saw what happens to it this season when there's a wing that doesn't understand those concepts.

As for a 5, Malik Reneau would be a pretty good fit for Self and KU as he can play in the high or low post and is an above average passer. His lack of 3 point shooting shouldn't be an issue unless there's other players out there that can't shoot 3's either.

Apr 01, 2025 04:39 PM #42

@Texas-Hawk-10 were you going to say something about Hall? I thought you did, and maybe removed it re: the 4 spot?

Apr 01, 2025 05:17 PM #43

@approxinfinity said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Texas-Hawk-10 were you going to say something about Hall? I thought you did, and maybe removed it re: the 4 spot?

I forgot about him. After watching some film on him, I think he'd be a solid fit for KU. I do have some concerns about his ability to move without ball, but most scouting reports list that as a positive about him. Based on the tape and scouting reports on him, I get a stronger Perry Ellis vibe from his game. Similar strengths and weaknesses which is concerning as far as his defense because he's prone to mental lapses on that end. Also sounds like he's not athletic enough to defend smaller players so it could be something similar to Hunter to where opponents pick on him with screens and picks to force him to rotate.

He's a proven scorer in the Big 12 so I'd take him if he chose to come here, but he wouldn't be my top choice of players pending whoever else enters the portal.

Also, KU didn't make Reneau's final list, so that scouting report on him doesn't matter amd I don't know where Self and KU are looking at this time to replace Flory.

Apr 01, 2025 05:34 PM #44

Theres this kid with a moustache named Blory Fidunga…

Apr 01, 2025 05:48 PM #45

Do we think Self knows flory's decision by who he's recruiting?

Apr 02, 2025 02:52 PM #46

Does anyone know what the actual expectations are for Jaden Nickens next season? Is he still going to be allowed to play with new scholarship rules and if so, would he actually be good enough to contribute, or would this be more of a Noah Shelby situation he's more of a practice body than anything else?

Apr 02, 2025 08:21 PM #47

It is a 15 player roster limit so I believe he would have to take one of those spots if he wants to play. Had forgotten about him though and that is a good question on what their plan is.

Apr 02, 2025 08:29 PM #48

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Does anyone know what the actual expectations are for Jaden Nickens next season? Is he still going to be allowed to play with new scholarship rules and if so, would he actually be good enough to contribute, or would this be more of a Noah Shelby situation he's more of a practice body than anything else?

I don’t think he’ll be part of the program since he has to take a scholarship.

Apr 02, 2025 09:38 PM #49

@MR11 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

It is a 15 player roster limit so I believe he would have to take one of those spots if he wants to play. Had forgotten about him though and that is a good question on what their plan is.

14 this season with NCAA or self-imposed loss of scholarship.

Apr 02, 2025 10:37 PM #50

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Not so bad

Apr 02, 2025 10:48 PM #51

Is that Rylan shooting around? On the perimeter?

Apr 02, 2025 10:52 PM #52

@Crimsonorblue22 looks like it

Apr 02, 2025 11:27 PM #53

It’s an old video. You can see ushers in the background

Apr 03, 2025 12:32 AM #54

@FarmerJayhawk he does look better than I thought though. I knew he couldn't move like that w/a cast on. 🤣

Apr 03, 2025 12:34 AM #55

@FarmerJayhawk gave me a lil bit of hope

Apr 07, 2025 10:15 PM #56

So who are the starters?

Peterson and Flory.

White?

And? The roster looks pretty incomplete at this point. Need another impactful player. Maybe that other transfer will be the 2?

Apr 07, 2025 10:17 PM #57

@dylans said in KU Roster for 25-26:

So who are the starters?

Peterson and Flory.

White?

And? The roster looks pretty incomplete at this point. Need another impactful player. Maybe that other transfer will be the 2?

Long way to go.

Apr 11, 2025 12:14 AM #58

Not sure how many here saw this.

?s=46

Apr 11, 2025 02:25 AM #59

@BigBad said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Not sure how many here saw this.

?s=46

Nice. hope he's a contributor! From the way back when HS scouting report:

Shelby is one of the better long distance shooters in his class. He makes any man to man defense stretch out against any zone. coaches mainly see his ability to stretch the floor as a key translatable asset.

His career stats from 3pt: 31 and 33 percent in his two years playing college ball.

Apr 11, 2025 03:20 PM #60

He won't contribute

Apr 11, 2025 03:39 PM #61

Yeah that video doesnt inspire a whole lot of confidence. He is heaving it from low down. Unless he is Steph Curry, I dont really want to rely on someone who has to shoot from his knees against B12 defenders

Apr 11, 2025 03:41 PM #62

Good video of how poorly we continue to guard the perimeter

Apr 11, 2025 10:04 PM #63

@BeddieKU23 that was probably his role on the scout team and they couldn’t even guard him🤣

Apr 11, 2025 11:11 PM #64

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

He won't contribute

Jeremy Case part 2

Apr 12, 2025 12:19 AM #65

@TYOHawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

He won't contribute

Jeremy Case part 2

lol locker room cancer too? No coaching invite!jk

Apr 16, 2025 03:02 PM #66

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44689483/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-ranking-top-25-teams-2025-26-texas-tech-byu ↗

Three big12 teams in the top 6 of these extremely way too early rankings. (Spoiler, none of them are KU). Another 2 teams ranked in the top 15 also not KU who checks in at 19.

A lot of roster left to build, but it needs to be impactful to keep pace.

Apr 16, 2025 03:11 PM #67

Yes. It is very important that we are ranked preseason number 1. That always works out well for us.

Apr 16, 2025 05:16 PM #68

@Jhawk69 Or some may say the Big12 looks pretty stacked at this point and KU has some work to do. But sarcasm is something my 9 year old is tying to master as well. Best of luck! It takes some practice.

Apr 16, 2025 06:25 PM #69

I guess people thought Stokes was a lock for Louisville , I guess though they are saying he doesn't want to play in the State of Kentucky because of gang problems.-- -Kinda strange but the Kentucky Board ( Rupp Rafters are in agreement that IS the reason- -saying it's the truth about him really not wanting to play in the State

Apr 16, 2025 08:00 PM #70

@dylans said in KU Roster for 25-26:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44689483/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-ranking-top-25-teams-2025-26-texas-tech-byu ↗

Three big12 teams in the top 6 of these extremely way too early rankings. (Spoiler, none of them are KU). Another 2 teams ranked in the top 15 also not KU who checks in at 19.

A lot of roster left to build, but it needs to be impactful to keep pace.

Projecting DP, Flory, Elmarko, White and Dawson as starters, which isn't going to intimidate anyone. Small line-up. No real shooters. Won't be able to handle other bigs. Critical that we get 2 more starting caliber players, but pool of ranked ones is dwindling...

Apr 16, 2025 08:12 PM #71

@DCHawker said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@dylans said in KU Roster for 25-26:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44689483/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-ranking-top-25-teams-2025-26-texas-tech-byu ↗

Three big12 teams in the top 6 of these extremely way too early rankings. (Spoiler, none of them are KU). Another 2 teams ranked in the top 15 also not KU who checks in at 19.

A lot of roster left to build, but it needs to be impactful to keep pace.

Projecting DP, Flory, Elmarko, White and Dawson as starters, which isn't going to intimidate anyone. Small line-up. No real shooters. Won't be able to handle other bigs. Critical that we get 2 more starting caliber players, but pool of ranked ones is dwindling...

0% chance this is the starting lineup

Apr 16, 2025 08:26 PM #72

@Woodrow ESPN is just going by who is on the roster now. But its not worth worrying about until after all the dominos have fallen.

Apr 16, 2025 08:29 PM #73

@Woodrow Zero , for one been hearing if the recruit over Tre White he is out

Apr 16, 2025 08:59 PM #74

@SlimShaddy54 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Woodrow Zero , for one been hearing if the recruit over Tre White he is out

Again? lol consistent I guess. To commit and never set foot on campus twice would be hilarious.

Apr 29, 2025 04:23 PM #75

Swain on 247 posted that the staff is very high on Council and expects him to be one of their best players. Interesting

Apr 29, 2025 06:38 PM #76

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Swain on 247 posted that the staff is very high on Council and expects him to be one of their best players. Interesting

Great basketball fit next to DP imo. As you know I wasn't high on Storr but all the signees make sense this time so far

Apr 29, 2025 07:29 PM #77

Feels very much like a Frank Mason signing. I don't expect near that level of play from Council but the recruitment vibes feel similar, i.e. found him while scouting someone else, general public down on signing but staff leaks are all super positive

Apr 29, 2025 07:50 PM #78

An old buddy/recruit has popped up. De-Committed from Washington , former team mate of Darryn's- --Nick Bundalo has de-committed a poster from Tos asking should we show interest again ?-Short Answer- ----NO! !- - -not only no but HELL NO , RUN BILL--- RUN ,, run as fsat as you can Major head case w sure don't need that

Biancardi watch for St John's or Kansas State lol--ya Tang that would be a perfect fit for you-- please take him lol

Apr 29, 2025 09:31 PM #79

@SlimShaddy54 What’s the drama with Niko? Not of the Dallas Mavericks…that that move would irk the people in Dallas was news only to him.

https://www.on3.com/news/top-30-recruit-niko-bundalo-receives-release-from-washington-reopening-recruitment/ ↗

Apr 29, 2025 09:33 PM #80

@dylans

Media people have said he's a handful.

Apr 29, 2025 10:33 PM #81

@MR11 Frank was I think the all time scoring leader at Petersburg HS, ahead of Moses Malone. I dont think Council is that capable offensively, is he?

Apr 29, 2025 11:39 PM #82

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@dylans

Media people have said he's a handful.

He is quite the character.

Apr 30, 2025 12:06 AM #83

@approxinfinity I would be very surprised if he, or anyone else on the team, were as good a player as Frank Mason. Luckily, despite what the irrational DaJuan haters will tell you, you don't have to be as good as Frank Mason to be a good player.

Apr 30, 2025 12:26 AM #84

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@approxinfinity I would be very surprised if he, or anyone else on the team, were as good a player as Frank Mason. Luckily, despite what the irrational DaJuan haters will tell you, you don't have to be as good as Frank Mason to be a good player.

Darryn Peterson very much could be better than POY Frank.

Apr 30, 2025 12:29 AM #85

@Texas-Hawk-10 Its not impossible but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. I was just thinking the other day about the fact that Frank is arguably the 3rd best player in Kansas basketball history. We rarely have seasons of that caliber.

Apr 30, 2025 12:46 AM #86

@Texas-Hawk-10 quite possible , complete package

Apr 30, 2025 12:54 AM #87

@Jhawk69 Frank Mason was a baller and my favorite Jayhawk ever, but he did not get to the final 4 in 4 seasons.

He did everything he possibly could with his body and he was an athletic freak, but basketball is a game that favors the tall. Being a prolific 3 point shooter is the great equalizer of course, but Frank was a 30% 3 pt shooter at KU and only hit 40% his senior year.

Steph Curry was a 41% 3 pt shooter on over 9 attempts at Davidson over 3 seasons.

Peterson could be better than Frank. Freshman Kevin Durant was better than Frank. Just cant teach tall.

Apr 30, 2025 12:59 AM #88

@Texas-Hawk-10 He will be good but won’t have the season Flagg just had because of how we run things

Apr 30, 2025 01:00 AM #89

@SlimShaddy54 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Texas-Hawk-10 quite possible , complete package

He may be the real deal, but what does that mean? Not very often that single freshmen carry teams to NCAA titles - Carmelo Anthony and Anthony Davis? Each of those had other NBA players on the roster. Hakeem Warwick was on the Syracuse title team with Anthony. Milt Wagner and others with Davis. DP may be the real deal and a complete package, perhaps the best freshman next year, but is he a NBA first team talent? Perhaps. Is there anyone else on the roster who is NBA starter level??? Most NCAA champs have multiple future NBA players - true of KU as well...

Apr 30, 2025 01:00 AM #90

@BeddieKU23 ha that’s funny almost like the first legit 6-3 pg with d1 athleticism is now knocking their socks off because holy heck they’ve been blind at that position for 4 years

So not surprised they get a legit guy in here and ā€œwow they are impressedā€

Apr 30, 2025 01:05 AM #91

@kuballin10 has nothing to do with that, if your not impressed with DP then your not to bright- -haven't been blind at all lmao-- you just never learn to give it a rest do you, your a real piece of work holy crap.

Apr 30, 2025 01:28 AM #92

@DCHawker said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@SlimShaddy54 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Texas-Hawk-10 quite possible , complete package

He may be the real deal, but what does that mean? Not very often that single freshmen carry teams to NCAA titles - Carmelo Anthony and Anthony Davis? Each of those had other NBA players on the roster. Hakeem Warwick was on the Syracuse title team with Anthony. Milt Wagner and others with Davis. DP may be the real deal and a complete package, perhaps the best freshman next year, but is he a NBA first team talent? Perhaps. Is there anyone else on the roster who is NBA starter level??? Most NCAA champs have multiple future NBA players - true of KU as well...

Yes, I firmly believe there are already two other future NBA players on KU's roster for next season not including whoever else Self may bring in. If it's Darrion Williams, it'll be 4 future NBA players. I 100% believe both Elmarko and Flory are future NBA players. Maybe not after this upcoming season, but I can see each going to the NBA in 2027 after the 2026-27 season.

Apr 30, 2025 05:36 AM #93

It’s been a slow time. Is it slow for most of D1 right now? Are coaches and ADs spending much of their days fundraising? Are they promoting specific players and asking for funds for these players? If this is the case, are coaches picking players or are the decisions made by those contributing? Maybe we stay slow until the NBA draft?

Apr 30, 2025 01:38 PM #94

@drgnslayr Yeah, the draft is another inflection point. Hopefully something interesting will happen about then.

Apr 30, 2025 01:53 PM #95

@drgnslayr There's 3 dates to keep an eye on. The first should be coming up within the next week and that's when NBA Combine invites go out. Most players that have declared for the draft that don't receive an invite and haven't already committed to a school will withdraw from the draft and focus on their transfer destination.

The second date is May 18 which is the last day of the NBA Combine. Players that received an invite will still start withdrawing shortly after that if they don't like their feedback in regards to where their draft stock is.

The last day to watch is June 15 which is the deadline to withdraw from the NBA Draft.

Apr 30, 2025 04:27 PM #96

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

It’s been a slow time. Is it slow for most of D1 right now? Are coaches and ADs spending much of their days fundraising? Are they promoting specific players and asking for funds for these players? If this is the case, are coaches picking players or are the decisions made by those contributing? Maybe we stay slow until the NBA draft?

I think the draft is a huge part of the whole thing. Need to wait for that to see more dominos fall.

Apr 30, 2025 05:27 PM #97

@SlimShaddy54 Sorry for the confusion my comment was regarding Council per the comment above about the staff really impressed with him

Apr 30, 2025 05:32 PM #98

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

It’s been a slow time. Is it slow for most of D1 right now? Are coaches and ADs spending much of their days fundraising? Are they promoting specific players and asking for funds for these players? If this is the case, are coaches picking players or are the decisions made by those contributing? Maybe we stay slow until the NBA draft?

I think the draft is a huge part of the whole thing. Need to wait for that to see more dominos fall.

FYI, June 15 is the deadline to withdraw from the NBA draft. So, maybe some movement around then?

Apr 30, 2025 09:37 PM #99

Can anyone comment on my fundraising questions?

May 01, 2025 01:05 PM #100

@drgnslayr

From what I've seen I know Self went around asking for more NIL $ and perhaps maybe we can infer that led to retaining Bidunga and getting White/Dawson/Council as well. I believe Self may have asked for more recently given their interest in Williams from Texas Tech and it looks like we have the funds to be competitive for what he's asking or match it, if he pulls out of the draft. All speculation, but that seems to be the prevalent theme I see posted around right now. Depending on what domino falls there, they may have to try and shake the tree again for the backup big and 13th guy but who knows. This is where having a GM might have already been impactful to have in place.

I think some of the slowness now rests on the Settlement case & the Draft fallout. Nobody has cash laying around except a few perhaps until colleges can access and distribute those funds. I can imagine a lot of teams' investments are tied to that going through. I'm sure most teams are hoping things settle, asking prices for some of these guys still in the portal are more realistic and then KU can finish the portal class strong. I can't imagine navigating this bologna. Nothing amateur about it anymore

May 01, 2025 03:21 PM #101

@BeddieKU23

I’m uninformed on most of the NIL topic. Seems to me, the players who settled their NIL deals early this spring will probably be the big benefactors and the late players may be bought for a bargain and schools scrap to get late funds together. I’m thinking that creates a clash with those players in the draft process. And if those players exist later on should benefit by going to teams with talent for a late March run. I’m thinking Self’s recent portal failures where he jumped too quickly will now be a huge advantage as he sits patiently. This year we are changing our bumper sticker from ā€œload the wagonsā€ to ā€œhold on, Hoss!ā€ 🤣

May 01, 2025 05:20 PM #102

@drgnslayr :brain: :light_bulb: :fa-hand-o-up:

May 01, 2025 06:46 PM #103

@drgnslayr

It's certainly possible there could be less money for the available players that are left in the portal. I think the top end guys like Williams, PJ Haggerty, RJ Luis are going to get what they want if they play in college next year due to their talent and value they would provide at their next school. I think guys who entered late or have held out for whatever reason and are not top end valued guys will likely have to settle for whatever they can get. Perhaps there's a good chunk that think once the house settlement money goes through you might see another wave of signees. You might even see kids who signed already for whatever price, try to renegotiate or drive the price up more by threatening to leave or enter the portal again and try and get more suitors. There's just no end to what may happen with young kids and agents trying to cash in on this.

I think it's been confirmed Self chose a different approach this cycle- vetting players better, not getting into bidding wars for guys that had unreasonable asks or were only money chasing. It still remains to be seen how good this trio + whoever else may join later is going to be but we do hope this approach/this year leads to better results. I can't imagine they ever want to repeat what they went through with Storr again. Still surprised they didn't see the writing on the wall there..

May 01, 2025 06:49 PM #104

@BeddieKU23 Yup. That’s why I think there needs to be some guard rails installed. Hopefully soon.

May 02, 2025 07:25 PM #105

@BeddieKU23

I heavily advise KU to hire me as a GM. I’m a people person with vast sales experience. I’ll go out there and find all those private NIL deals for our players that will not impact their school NIL cap. Every day we go without a GM we are missing out!

May 15, 2025 10:27 PM #106

Couldn't find a great thread to post this...an Elmarko workout update.

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May 16, 2025 07:48 PM #107

Only three spots left on the roster!
Local guard signed today out of high school. Not sure if he's a point or combo guard. Any of you KC area fans get to watch him play? I used to go to Oak Park Mall way back in the day...that still around?

Corbin Allen – Oak Park High School.

May 19, 2025 01:43 AM #108

Something that I asked about a couple of months ago was Jaden Nickens who committed to play both football and basketball for KU.

What I've read about this is that basketball is now it is in the same format as baseball and other equivalent sports where teams have hard roster limits and can utilize scholarships however they want.

If I've read and interpreted this correctly, Jaden Nickens can still play basketball for KU next season and he will count against the 15 player limit, but since his scholarship is for football, he won't count against the scholarship limit this season so KU would still be fulfilling their NCAA punishment obligation in regards to losing scholarships.

May 29, 2025 12:31 AM #109

Well how’s about that! Samis Calderon has reported to campus. Didn’t many think that wasn’t gonna happen? Yay.

May 29, 2025 12:33 AM #110

Oh, and DP in Lawrence as well :)

May 29, 2025 12:42 AM #111

@rockchalkjayhawk

Maybe they can develop him a bit. Has that athleticism we have lacked recently.

May 29, 2025 12:48 AM #112

Seriously… we need someone who can sell NIL deals to businesses in KC and Kansas. We will never keep up with east coast money.

May 29, 2025 01:04 AM #113

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk

Maybe they can develop him a bit. Has that athleticism we have lacked recently.

Early on maybe you simply tell freak athletes of his size to just try to dunk everything. Consequences and fouls be damned.

May 29, 2025 05:51 PM #114

I could go out and sell KU players to KC businesses all day long for NIL... $3 million? No problem.

May 29, 2025 06:49 PM #115

@drgnslayr I really think you were made for this job. Go drgn go!

Jun 01, 2025 09:48 PM #116

@approxinfinity I don’t think we have anyone doing this. I could go out everyday speaking to businesses that have an advertising budget and would be happy to have a ball player in ads.

Jun 01, 2025 09:55 PM #117

@drgnslayr it is confusing to me when people say KU doesnt have the money other schools do. Why would that be? How is our budget not competitive? I appreciate you trying to put a finger on it, because it seems like fiction or correctable.

Jun 01, 2025 11:32 PM #118

@approxinfinity said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@drgnslayr it is confusing to me when people say KU doesnt have the money other schools do. Why would that be? How is our budget not competitive? I appreciate you trying to put a finger on it, because it seems like fiction or correctable.

KU does have more money than most schools, including other top schools, but we don't have unlimited funds. KU's total NIL spending this season should still be top 10, but the two most expensive players for KU weren't directly from the portal. Darryn Peterson is somewhere around $3 million, Flory is somewhere between $1.5-2 million. That's the biggest chunk of KU's NIL spending. As a team, KU is spending at least $10 million in NIL, probably closer to $15 million.

Jun 02, 2025 12:40 AM #119

@approxinfinity I'm not sure how this all works. I saw where in Total Revenue schools made KU is walking away from the other Big 12 Schools --in Total revenue KU made this past year 215 Million and the next closest school is Baylor that brought in 148 Million

Not sure how they split this but got to veleive things aren't because a shortage of Money

Jun 02, 2025 02:22 AM #120

I guess why I’m frustrated is because I come from the business world. KU AD comes from education/not-for-profit perspective. It seems like such a no-brainer to me that KU leaves a fortune on the table by not fully utilizing the marketing potential of the athletes. We LOVE our guys! When I see an ad with a player I don’t change the channel. And I think more favorable towards the sponsor. I feel positive every starter on our team would make at least a cool million every year through private endorsements. Perhaps two or three times that amount. I feel certain it would help relieve some of the financial pressure on the AD.

Jun 02, 2025 10:49 AM #121

KU is building a football stadium and it is very expensive

Jun 02, 2025 02:56 PM #122

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Seriously… we need someone who can sell NIL deals to businesses in KC and Kansas. We will never keep up with east coast money.

Well this is the crux of the issue. The players want NIL as if it is a salary and not endorsement deals. Nobody wants to spend 50% of their time going from event to event when you're also expected to do school and practice 3-5 hours a day.

Jun 02, 2025 03:01 PM #123

Need the best green screen studio money can buy installed in mccarthey hall.

Jun 02, 2025 04:05 PM #124

Annual NIL donations need to exceed 10million per season. I’d say whatever business is willing to pledge 1 million plus gets prime court side advertising, 5 million + gets their logo on the shoulder of the jersey. 🤢

Jun 02, 2025 04:37 PM #125

Maybe we can entertain ourselves with a ā€œ10 corporate sponsors we’d hate the least on our jerseyā€ thread

Jun 02, 2025 05:23 PM #126

@Kcmatt7 this is why the potential House settlement is so interesting

Jun 02, 2025 06:36 PM #127

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

I guess why I’m frustrated is because I come from the business world. KU AD comes from education/not-for-profit perspective. It seems like such a no-brainer to me that KU leaves a fortune on the table by not fully utilizing the marketing potential of the athletes. We LOVE our guys! When I see an ad with a player I don’t change the channel. And I think more favorable towards the sponsor. I feel positive every starter on our team would make at least a cool million every year through private endorsements. Perhaps two or three times that amount. I feel certain it would help relieve some of the financial pressure on the AD.

You are way over valuing the marketability of college athletes, especially in a market like KC that is a pro-sports town. Darryn Peterson isn't going to have anywhere near the sway that Witt, Salvy, Mahomes, or Kelce have. If I'm a KC based company looking for an athlete endorsement, I'm looking at someone from the Chiefs or Royals, not KU, KState, or Missouri because if you go the college route for an endorsement in KC, you have to get people from all 3 schools to not alienate 1/3 of the customer base in KC.

So no, KU isn't leaving a bunch of money on the table, those types of companies just aren't interested because the return they get from a college athlete the majority of people won't recognize isn't there compared to someone who plays pro sports in the city and adds more value than any college athlete would.

I live in a major city with a Big 12 school that also has pro sports. There's only two places I've ever seen a UH athlete used in an add campaign over someone from the Astros, Texans, or Rockets. One is Raising Cane's because they are a corporate sponsor for UH athletics (and many other college towns because that's their origin), and a personal injury lawyer group that does the same thing in a couple other cities in Texas (UT athletes in Austin and SMU athletes in Dallas).

If you're a company in KC that has a $250k budget for an endorsement deal, who are you realistically going to target for a marketing campaign? 3 college athletes (from KU, KSU, and Missouri because you can't alienate 2/3 of your customer base) who may not be around the next year, or do you after someone on the Chiefs or Royals that's more likely to still be in KC 2-3 years down the line and can do multiple ad spots for your company?

Jun 02, 2025 07:11 PM #128

@Texas-Hawk-10 good points all around.

Jun 02, 2025 07:54 PM #129

Some interesting comments from Coach Self from the Schnellbacher Classic. Now you know and I know might just be something he thinks that we want to hear but, when asked about the Portal/recruiting and such - - --

Coach Self said El Marko is absolutely 100 % go-- -He said Bryson has been cleared for all Basketball activities , sayin Bryson probably will be full go 100 % by July. Sayin Bryson will be a pro- - He also said Samis Calderon going to surprise people

Hel talked about how they had been sitting on some things and still actively recruiting-- mostly international players and said they fully believe they had time to get that Back up Big and a wing who is a shooter.

He said they feel they have some good fits around Darryn & Flory , and yet also said Flory is going to have to be the one who makes the biggest jump

Jun 02, 2025 08:22 PM #130

Team might be mediocre but we have Darryn so I’m fine with it.

Jun 02, 2025 09:12 PM #131

@TYOHawk think like has been mentioned actually starting five anyway might be a little more solid then we think. Good defensively a lot of length.- -w need to beef up the bench pretty thin

Jun 02, 2025 09:14 PM #132

@SlimShaddy54

Also thinks Tiller will be a pro. Interesting there. Not being cleared until July means that ceiling is so far away from truth.

Elmarko being full go is good news. He's in great shape and excited to see what he can give us returning.

Jun 02, 2025 10:31 PM #133

@TYOHawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Team might be mediocre

I'll bet against that

Jun 02, 2025 10:44 PM #134

@TYOHawk Things can change fast! Be optimistic!

Jun 02, 2025 11:13 PM #135

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@TYOHawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Team might be mediocre

I'll bet against that

Agree that it will not be mediocre; more than solid. But can our current roster challenge for a B12 title, let alone a NC??? Sure doesn't seem so. Flory has potential, but is still raw and unproven as a starting 5. Added three solid wings, but only one of which was rated in the top 120 portal transfers, and that was White at 70+. Compare that to SJU, which has Zuby returning (better at this point than Flory), and added 5 top 100 transfers. Compare to UF, Houston, Purdue, Duke, UK, and others. Unless DP is the best player in college ball next year and/or Tiller and Calderon can actually play 20 mpg at a P5 level, it difficult to see how our roster is any more than below the top tier in the B12. Seems like we will be able to defend and apply pressure, but we don't have much length/size, and no depth in the front court.

Jun 02, 2025 11:18 PM #136

Its possible for us to challenge for a natty but we would need Darryn to be every bit as good as advertised plus we would need Flory to make a major leap and be an All-American caliber player

Jun 03, 2025 12:42 AM #137

@BeddieKU23 Think El Marko is going to be pretty good defensively. -- Think once again the question is going to be where is our scoring coming from other then DP- - possibly Flory ?

Jun 03, 2025 02:23 AM #138

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@TYOHawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Team might be mediocre

I'll bet against that

I hope so but barring a surprise or Darryn being a top 5 guy in the country this looks like a 21-10 type of team which is solid but isn’t a contender or in that tier. Kind of reminds me of the Oubre/Alexander team.

Jun 03, 2025 11:40 AM #139

I don't think this team is likely to win a title at all but you could argue they are getting better at every position from last year. Most spots are clear upgrades. Generational upgrades at the 1 and 4.

More than anything I am excited for the stylistic change. The last two seasons, by Bill's choice it must be said, we have been limited by a core of players that simply did not fit together. The team should be a monster defensively if they buy in.

Jun 03, 2025 12:28 PM #140

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@TYOHawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Team might be mediocre

I'll bet against that

No way this team as constructed is anything but mediocre by KU’s standards. The floor should be a big 12 title and in the discussion for a national championship by KUs standards.

This team doesn’t pass the smell test yet. Will they finish in the top 1/4 of the Big12? - sure. Will they contend for a final four berth? - not very likely.

But Bill’s a terrific coach so maybe he can twist this deeply flawed roster into something watchable. DP should be electric. If Flory can improve to where he is worth the money (that would be a huge ask as he was mostly ineffective last year) then KU will be fun to watch, but will need a wing to develop to have any real shot at even the Big12.

Jun 03, 2025 12:51 PM #141

@dylans Houston runs the big 12, they are what we used to be. Not sure why Bill has seemingly given up on trying to develop guys.

That said I think when the roster is done it will be preseason top 10.

Something else I am monitoring is team chemistry. Winning kind of solves everything there sometimes, but last year was a disaster on that front.

Jun 03, 2025 01:38 PM #142

@dylans Lol. You are such a Flory hater. And Im drinking the Koolaid. Watch and be amazed!

Jun 03, 2025 02:32 PM #143

Some people are severely undervaluing the additions of Council and Lawson. They will guard their ass off every night, and compete. Also, DP is a true leader. The team chemistry will be way different than year past. He is not going to let anyone get away with not busting their butt on and off the floor.

They also are not done with the roster. Sounds like they are close to landing a big man who will be a solid backup / change of pace from Flory. If they can find a solid wing they will be a top 10 team.

Jun 03, 2025 03:34 PM #144

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

I don't think this team is likely to win a title at all but you could argue they are getting better at every position from last year. Most spots are clear upgrades. Generational upgrades at the 1 and 4.

More than anything I am excited for the stylistic change. The last two seasons, by Bill's choice it must be said, we have been limited by a core of players that simply did not fit together. The team should be a monster defensively if they buy in.

Who’s the generational upgrade at the 4?

Jun 03, 2025 05:28 PM #145

Lol was just about to reply with the same thing, maybe was a typo as I could see an argument for the 5 over the 4 being a generation upgrade assuming Flory makes a leap? (Or hopefully @BShark has recruiting I don't know about)

At the 4, we have either White/Tiller playing and I don't see either being a guaranteed upgrade to KJ. Better offense from Tre playing there but losing quite a bit on the defense and Tiller could be worse on both accounts I don't believe he stretches the floor. Only other player I could see playing the four is council and even there it seems like it is at best a wash comparing to KJ.

Jun 03, 2025 07:22 PM #146

@BShark 100 % MONSTER-- with their length and their improvement in athleticism could really cause some havoc on the defensive end

Jun 03, 2025 07:59 PM #147

@MR11 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Lol was just about to reply with the same thing, maybe was a typo as I could see an argument for the 5 over the 4 being a generation upgrade assuming Flory makes a leap? (Or hopefully @BShark has recruiting I don't know about)

I am sure hoping for a top recruit or NIL transfer! :)

Jun 03, 2025 08:24 PM #148

@rockchalkjayhawk Not KJ. Presumably Tre White can dribble a basketball, rebound, and is a threat to shoot.

So it was mostly a joke about KJ being terrible.

Jun 03, 2025 09:36 PM #149

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk Not KJ. Presumably Tre White can dribble a basketball, rebound, and is a threat to shoot.

So it was mostly a joke about KJ being terrible.

Now that makes sense!

Jun 03, 2025 09:37 PM #150

We may have to have a board-wide wager as to when the last time somebody will mention KJ or Dajuan.

Jun 03, 2025 11:55 PM #151

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

We may have to have a board-wide wager as to when the last time somebody will mention KJ or Dajuan.

KJ is on staff now.

Jun 03, 2025 11:57 PM #152

@rockchalkjayhawk Landen Lucas! Conner Frankamp! Naadir Tharpe! Brady Morningstar! Christian Moody!

Just renewing our leases on old disputes.

Jun 04, 2025 12:33 AM #153

@approxinfinity said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk Landen Lucas! Conner Frankamp! Naadir Tharpe! Brady Morningstar! Christian Moody!

Just renewing our leases on old disputes.

So far you’re leading the pack in the wager! šŸ¤‘

Jun 04, 2025 01:05 AM #154

@approxinfinity I’m assuming we all ended up pretty much in agreement on Frankamp, yes?

Jun 04, 2025 01:14 AM #155

Posting for @approxinfinity and other Flory enjoyers

Jun 04, 2025 02:00 AM #156

Was that /flory ?- - Na that wasn't Flory - - -was it ?- - Flory left handed ?

Jun 04, 2025 04:08 AM #157

@Texas-Hawk-10

There is some valid points there. But I guess you know a lot more than Freddy's marketing.

KU basketball is the only winning basketball in the KC area and, once again, we scored the best player in the KC area. Royals and Chiefs are great but no basketball fans in KC? KC is a big fan base for college sports… a major reason why they own the B12 basketball tournament.

Hell... how about selling KU to Lawrence businesses?

Jun 04, 2025 02:24 PM #158

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Texas-Hawk-10

There is some valid points there. But I guess you know a lot more than Freddy's marketing.

KU basketball is the only winning basketball in the KC area and, once again, we scored the best player in the KC area. Royals and Chiefs are great but no basketball fans in KC? KC is a big fan base for college sports… a major reason why they own the B12 basketball tournament.

Hell... how about selling KU to Lawrence businesses?

Any NIL deals with Lawrence businesses are likely to be low 5 figures at best and likely to come from the corporate partners/sponsors of KU Athletics and be spread around to different sports.

Darryn Peterson is the only player on KU who should be making significant NIL endorsement money with his Adidas and Fanatics deals that he signed 2 years ago in 2023. Nobody else on the team is going to be making significantly more than whatever their deal with KU is.

Jun 04, 2025 09:31 PM #159

@Texas-Hawk-10

Flory wasn't much last year and he did a sweet deal. Don't pretend to know it all.

Jun 04, 2025 10:12 PM #160

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Flory wasn't much last year and he did a sweet deal. Don't pretend to know it all.

Flory's biggest NIL deal is directly with KU (or at least KU's NIL collective). He's not going to be making an additional $2 million on top of what he's getting from KU. Peterson is going to clear close to, if not more than $10 million in deals because of the deals he signed with Adidas and Fanatics 2 years ago.

My thoughts on this come from what I see in regards to NIL involving UH here in Houston. Unless a player has a national deal with a brand, only the elite of the elite get those, they aren't clearing 7 figures in NIL on top of whatever they're getting from their school. Good players can usually clear low to mid six figures on top of what they get from the school, but most players are clearing five figures to very low six figures depending on the market they're in.

The primary exception to this is social media and influencer deals such as female athletes who pretty near universally considered good looking who use their looks to secure influencer deals like Livvy Dunne or the Cavinder twins.

Jun 04, 2025 10:56 PM #161

Here we good, possibly check in late addition hit him hard. Dorian Jones has de committed from Ohio State and is re-opening his recruitment, 6'3 SG and the # one player coming out of the State of Ohio

Jun 04, 2025 11:42 PM #162

@SlimShaddy54 Sounds academically ineligible -

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-basketball/2025/06/156427/four-star-guard-dorian-jones-requests-release-from-ohio-state-reopens-recruitment?amp ↗

Jun 05, 2025 12:46 AM #163

@SlimShaddy54 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Here we good, possibly check in late addition hit him hard. Dorian Jones has de committed from Ohio State and is re-opening his recruitment, 6'3 SG and the # one player coming out of the State of Ohio

Sub 100 ranked player with academic issues who's either headed to a prep school or JuCo next season. Only way he's playing in D1 this upcoming season is if he finds a school with very low standards.

Jun 05, 2025 01:48 AM #164

@Texas-Hawk-10 Flory received sponsorship from Freddy's. It was NOT from KU.

Jun 05, 2025 02:02 AM #165

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Flory received sponsorship from Freddy's. It was NOT from KU.

Never said players weren't getting other NIL deals outside of what they're getting from KU. Whatever the financial details of that are, I will 100% guarantee that money doesn't come anywhere near what he's getting from his KU deal.

I'd guess this deal is probably about $25,000 at best because it's for sure not a national deal and probably only applies to their Lawrence store and whatever other locations that franchisee owns, if any.

Jun 05, 2025 02:11 AM #166

@Texas-Hawk-10 I knew the Freddy's management and it carried at least throughout Kansas. It was more lucrative than $25k.

I never indicated there would be a huge sponsor matching KU's contribution. If it was someone's 365-day job to locate sponsors there would be many deals that would add up considerably... doubtful to match KU funds, but still a consideration for athletes.

I've had a lifetime of sales and just the people and industries I'm associated could make their most notable athletes pretty good spending money and nothing to sneeze at. My own business is national and not much in the midwest or I would be a sponsor of one or more athletes.

To say finding NIL deals in this area isn't worth considering is absolutely stupid.

Jun 05, 2025 04:14 AM #167

BTW - we are only viewing this like a traditional celebrity-style endorsement contract. Where the real money is …. Far above the NIL abilities of KU is the support of Kansas alumni owning valuable companies who are huge fans of the basketball program. These people are spread all over the world. There are opportunities to connect these people with players in the role of sponsorship but it’s essential a gift but structured as a business tax write-off. This alone is an endless resource and though they are hit up for endowment contributions hitting them up directly for basketball contributions and more personal, directly helping one specific player is an opportunity for raising about any amount possible. To my understanding, Duke is all over this.

Before you comment… I’m not describing an AD fundraiser. I’ve attended those lunches. And every month I’m hit up by endowments. But no one has contacted me specifically on behalf of a player. Granted, these times are only developing now, as universities will be capped on NIL and the big avenue for extending benefits beyond this limitation will be private NIL.

Jun 05, 2025 05:53 AM #168

When the House settlement finally happens all the collectives will RIP. NIL deals will be run through Delloite’s clearinghouse and AD contributions will be capped.

Jun 05, 2025 07:11 AM #169

It’s confusing as hell, but it doesn’t sound like collectives will necessarily go away, but will be regulated as you suggest. Both in house and outside collectives can exist I’ve been reading. Hell, it’s chaos and the language is still being drafted. Who the hell knows. Wild, Wild West.

Jun 05, 2025 08:54 AM #170

@drgnslayr I’m a big fan of your rationale about this! But calling another perspective ā€œ absolutely stupidā€ throws up warning signals. Sounds like the times talkin’. So do ā€œ100 % guaranteesā€ @Texas-Hawk-10.

Sidenote. I just realized the hypocrisy of the Star Wars line ā€œOnly a Sith deals in absolutesā€. Y’all sirs, ain’t no Siths :). Still, remember to let it breathe, my people.

Some people split hairs about veiled racism. Others, crusade against curse words. Some try to rid the world of anything depicting sex or violence.

I will die on this hill railing against absolutism and forced dichotomies.

Carry on!

Approxinfinity

Thought Police Deputy

Incessant Fretter, Box Shredder

Head Master, KU Buckets Finishing School For Fine Young Souls

Jun 05, 2025 09:06 AM #171

I love the focus on cultivating relationships rather than strictly service transactions @drgnslayr.

Jun 05, 2025 06:50 PM #172

@approxinfinity said in KU Roster for 25-26:

I will die on this hill railing against absolutism and forced dichotomies.

I absolutely love your being absolutely against absolutism. But I am absolutely opposed to you dying on this or any other hill involving semantics!

Jun 05, 2025 09:07 PM #173

@dylans said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@SlimShaddy54 Sounds academically ineligible -

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-basketball/2025/06/156427/four-star-guard-dorian-jones-requests-release-from-ohio-state-reopens-recruitment?amp ↗

Yeah rumor is he will have to do JUCO

Jun 06, 2025 03:42 AM #174

Yep… My wording was a little strong on the use of ā€œstupidā€ā€¦ I apologize. And even under the heat I didn’t mean that directed personally… but to an idea. Again, sorry to everyone in here.

I’m not an expert in this area but I haven’t forgotten how this all went down originally and harnessing every aspect of NIL will be unlikely because it starts infringing on rights then ends up back in court.

I know I keep mentioning Duke… I have Duke grads close by and they let me know how Duke is on a real mission to dominate and are doing it by getting out ahead of the changing landscape. Of course, that leads me into hypertension!

So the good news is we managed to divert our thoughts away (a little bit) from recruiting. And on that, some of the people in my circle dropped a heavy on me by stating the recent KU recruiting failures weren’t based on KU coming up short on NIL funds. Then my blood pressure shot up again! Lol

Jun 19, 2025 03:32 AM #175

Hey, all. I updated the original post, adding some House v NCAA chaos. There's still lots to sort as far as who counts on the roster, etc. crazy!

Jun 19, 2025 03:43 AM #176

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

** With the recent House v NCAA settlement, things are complicated with roster size. It's hard to say if KU has four more spots to fill, or less. Also, apparently there's a new fule for "designated student athletes." These are players who would have been removed given the new roster rules, but now may stick around until they run out of eligibility, but may not count against roster size. This could easily be ALL the KU walkons. ****


May as well look ahead to see what's in store for next season.

I'll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I'll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

But the portal window is: March 24 to April 22

Roster size: 14 (includes ALL but DSA players. Normally it's 15, but we lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 10 (a bit sketchy given the DSA rules)

RETURNEES (4)

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Jamari McDowell

PF Bryson Tiller

C Flory Bidunga

RETURNING WALK ONS? (4 -- and potential "designated student athletes")
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G Noah Shelby

G Wilder Evers

G Will Thengvall

F Justin Cross

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (3)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

G Corbin Allen -- Oak Park High School

PORTAL ADDITIONS (3)

G Jayden Dawson via Loyola Chicago. One year of eligibility left.

G/F Tre White via Illinois -- previous stops at Louisville, USC. One year of eligibility left.

G Melvin Council Jr. via St. Bonaventure -- previous stop at Wagner. One year of eligibility left.

BIG QUESTION MARK (1)

SF Jaden Nickens -- A football player who may play hoops. May have to count against the roster before the season begins.

HAVE ENTERED PORTAL (6 initially -- Bidunga entered, but will return)

G/F AJ Storr -- signed with Ole Miss

G/F Rylan Griffen — signed with Texas AM

G/F Rakease Passmore — signed with Maryland

PF/C Zach Clemence -- signed with Texas A&M

G David Coit -- signed with Maryland

Jun 24, 2025 03:41 PM #177

** Update: With the recent House v NCAA settlement, things are complicated with roster size. It’s hard to say if KU has three more spots to fill, or less. Also, apparently there’s a new fule for ā€œdesignated student athletes.ā€ These are players who would have been removed given the new roster rules, but now may stick around until they run out of eligibility, but may not count against roster size. This could easily be ALL the KU walkons. ****


May as well look ahead to see what’s in store for next season.

I’ll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I’ll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

But the portal window is: March 24 to April 22

Roster size: 14 (includes ALL but DSA players. Normally it’s 15, but we lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 11 (a bit sketchy given the DSA rules)

RETURNEES (4)

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Jamari McDowell

PF Bryson Tiller

C Flory Bidunga

RETURNING WALK ONS? (4 – and potential ā€œdesignated student athletesā€)

G Noah Shelby

G Wilder Evers

G Will Thengvall

F Justin Cross

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (4)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

G Corbin Allen – Oak Park High School

SG Kohl Rosario

PORTAL ADDITIONS (3)

G Jayden Dawson via Loyola Chicago. One year of eligibility left.

G/F Tre White via Illinois – previous stops at Louisville, USC. One year of eligibility left.

G Melvin Council Jr. via St. Bonaventure – previous stop at Wagner. One year of eligibility left.

BIG QUESTION MARK (1)

SF Jaden Nickens – A football player who may play hoops. May have to count against the roster before the season begins.

HAVE ENTERED PORTAL (6 initially – Bidunga entered, but will return)

G/F AJ Storr – signed with Ole Miss

G/F Rylan Griffen — signed with Texas AM

G/F Rakease Passmore — signed with Maryland

PF/C Zach Clemence – signed with Texas A&M

G David Coit – signed with Maryland

Jun 25, 2025 12:40 PM #178

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

** With the recent House v NCAA settlement, things are complicated with roster size. It’s hard to say if KU has three more spots to fill, or less. Also, apparently there’s a new fule for ā€œdesignated student athletes.ā€ These are players who would have been removed given the new roster rules, but now may stick around until they run out of eligibility, but may not count against roster size. This could easily be ALL the KU walkons. ****

May as well look ahead to see what’s in store for next season.

I’ll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I’ll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

But the portal window is: March 24 to April 22

Roster size: 14 (includes ALL but DSA players. Normally it’s 15, but we lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 11 (a bit sketchy given the DSA rules)

RETURNEES (4)

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Jamari McDowell

PF Bryson Tiller

C Flory Bidunga

RETURNING WALK ONS? (4 – and potential ā€œdesignated student athletesā€)

G Noah Shelby

G Wilder Evers

G Will Thengvall

F Justin Cross

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (4)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

G Corbin Allen – Oak Park High School

SG Kohl Rosario

PORTAL ADDITIONS (3)

G Jayden Dawson via Loyola Chicago. One year of eligibility left.

G/F Tre White via Illinois – previous stops at Louisville, USC. One year of eligibility left.

G Melvin Council Jr. via St. Bonaventure – previous stop at Wagner. One year of eligibility left.

BIG QUESTION MARK (1)

SF Jaden Nickens – A football player who may play hoops. May have to count against the roster before the season begins.

HAVE ENTERED PORTAL (6 initially – Bidunga entered, but will return)

G/F AJ Storr – signed with Ole Miss

G/F Rylan Griffen — signed with Texas AM

G/F Rakease Passmore — signed with Maryland

PF/C Zach Clemence – signed with Texas A&M

G David Coit – signed with Maryland

Nickens can still basketball play and would count against the 15 player roster limit, but KU would still be in compliance with the scholarship reduction they still owe the NCAA because his scholarship is coming from football and not basketball.

Jun 25, 2025 03:10 PM #179

Bill Self is BACK folks

Jun 25, 2025 04:21 PM #180

** With the recent House v NCAA settlement, things are complicated with roster size. It’s hard to say if KU has two more spots to fill, or less. Also, apparently there’s a new fule for ā€œdesignated student athletes.ā€ These are players who would have been removed given the new roster rules, but now may stick around until they run out of eligibility, but may not count against roster size. This could easily be ALL the KU walkons. ****

May as well look ahead to see what’s in store for next season.

I’ll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I’ll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

But the portal window is: March 24 to April 22

Roster size: 14 (includes ALL but DSA players. Normally it’s 15, but we lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 12 (a bit sketchy given the DSA rules)

RETURNEES (4)

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Jamari McDowell

PF Bryson Tiller

C Flory Bidunga

RETURNING WALK ONS? (4 – and potential ā€œdesignated student athletesā€)

G Noah Shelby

G Wilder Evers

G Will Thengvall

F Justin Cross

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (5)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

G Corbin Allen – Oak Park High School

SG Kohl Rosario

C Paul Mbiya — not sure what year he is

PORTAL ADDITIONS (3)

G Jayden Dawson via Loyola Chicago. One year of eligibility left.

G/F Tre White via Illinois – previous stops at Louisville, USC. One year of eligibility left.

G Melvin Council Jr. via St. Bonaventure – previous stop at Wagner. One year of eligibility left.

BIG QUESTION MARK (1)

SF Jaden Nickens – A football player who may play hoops. May have to count against the roster before the season begins.

HAVE ENTERED PORTAL (6 initially – Bidunga entered, but will return)

G/F AJ Storr – signed with Ole Miss

G/F Rylan Griffen — signed with Texas AM

G/F Rakease Passmore — signed with Maryland

PF/C Zach Clemence – signed with Texas A&M

G David Coit – signed with Maryland

Jun 25, 2025 09:39 PM #181

What a difference a year makes. Would be fine if espn hype train ignores us completely until we make some noise.

Jun 25, 2025 09:42 PM #182

@approxinfinity Yes. It would be nice to earn the big heads! Last years crew seemed to believe the hype a bit too much.

Jun 26, 2025 02:18 AM #183

@approxinfinity said in KU Roster for 25-26:

What a difference a year makes. Would be fine if espn hype train ignores us completely until we make some noise.

I'm perfectly fine with that. KU should have to earn it after the last two years.

I think this is now a top 10 roster. Before the additions I would have said moreso top 20 range. The back-up big was a must. The roster to me makes sense, and feels properly built around Darryn Peterson. I also really love all the length this team has. Positional length across the board. Elmarko at 6'3'' will be the shortest rotation player. Council and Dawson both appear to have major plus wingspans.

Jun 26, 2025 02:37 AM #184

@BShark our defense and rebounding should improve drastically. The last 3 years have been sub par for a Self coached team.

Jun 26, 2025 02:41 AM #185

Waddya all think? Adding one or two more guys?

The Noah Shelby redshirt/DSA situation still unclear?

Jun 26, 2025 02:44 AM #186

@kjayhawks said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark our defense and rebounding should improve drastically. Ge last 3 years have been sub par for a Self coached team.

Yes. Hunter was a huge liability on that end. All the bigs in the rotation are athletic again.

Jun 26, 2025 02:47 AM #187

@BShark crazy watching the draft to see 2 Rutgers guys get drafted top 5. But yet they couldn’t even go .500.

Jun 26, 2025 03:16 AM #188

@kjayhawks One of them two Rutgers guys gots lots of growing up to do. Not Harper, but the other one. Saw quite a few Rutger games this year. Forgot his name, could care less to look it up.

Jun 26, 2025 01:40 PM #189

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Waddya all think? Adding one or two more guys?

The Noah Shelby redshirt/DSA situation still unclear?

One, Shelby is on scholarship this season.

Jun 26, 2025 06:37 PM #190

@kjayhawks The prima donna of Rutgers cried when Utah drafted him, apparently not tears of joy.

Jun 26, 2025 07:14 PM #191

@wissox there is no singular in ā€œjazzā€, bro!

Jun 26, 2025 07:17 PM #192

@wissox I’d hate being forced to work in Utah as well. The draft is kinda bull crap - definitely not how I’d like to be chosen for work. But I don’t know how you’d force parity on the league without salary caps and weighted drafts. You’d end up with a bunch of Duke, Kansas, Alabama, Ohio State, Dodgers, Yankees garbage where the biggest checkbook wins.

Jun 27, 2025 10:56 AM #193

@dylans He's not being forced to work in Utah. He could use that great Rutgers education I'm sure he got and go get a job he likes. I understand your point though and it's interesting how we're part of that elite group of teams/colleges.

Jun 27, 2025 12:02 PM #194

@wissox this isn’t really directed at you just a general pondering. I wonder what it would be like if teachers were drafted out of college and told where they could teach? - or they could pick a different profession of course. I’m sure the underprivileged would be better served if the teachers (or plumbers or carpenters or accountants or doctors or whatever profession) had no choice in where they worked - slippery slope

I don’t like the draft; it’s probably needed to even the playing field, but socialism is un-American at heart. I’d be curious what the league would loom like with no draft and just a salary cap - most NBA teams only keep one rookie if any on the roster. Draft picks are traded away like candy - just do away with the draft and let it be a mad dash of free agency and allow players more agency in their career trajectory- getting ie drafted by the Kings is a career killer.

It is what it is and like amateur sports in college I'm sure it’ll never change. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø (…well not the way we want šŸ˜‚)

Jun 27, 2025 12:18 PM #195

@dylans back to how this affects KU with no draftable players - a HS player draft for college ball would ruin the product we love, would it not? Would laws even allow it? Could removing the NBA draft create a more enjoyable product? The player stability of NBA rosters is enviable- everything in college is just one year deals. Both leagues have room for major improvement.

Jun 27, 2025 01:06 PM #196

@dylans said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@wissox I’d hate being forced to work in Utah as well. The draft is kinda bull crap - definitely not how I’d like to be chosen for work. But I don’t know how you’d force parity on the league without salary caps and weighted drafts. You’d end up with a bunch of Duke, Kansas, Alabama, Ohio State, Dodgers, Yankees garbage where the biggest checkbook wins.

I really hate how it works in baseball. Part of it is just the sports involved but I do fully believe that the way the NFL has created major parity is a big part of the success. Obviously having an elite QB solves a lot and can make a team consistently good. But we always see a lot of season to season change in the NFL.

Jun 27, 2025 02:27 PM #197

@dylans TBH no different than anyone going in to the military and even specialized job fields. You often have only one option for the job you are trained on and sometimes have to move to a location that isn't ideal for it.

The NBA at least has a union and every team is in at least a decent sized city

Jun 27, 2025 02:42 PM #198

@BShark The NBA has had 7 different champs in the 7 seasons. They've done a better job at creating parity than the NFL has.

Jun 27, 2025 04:28 PM #199

@MR11 If you’re going into a field so specialized there are only a few openings, you know where they are located, it’s no surprise. Your other option is to be so good you can do it from wherever you want. If there were 30 locations to work at you would get to choose one. It’s not like if one of them offers you a job you can’t be employed by the others since they own your rights to work in that field.

The military has multiple branches that you can choose from that have bases located in multiple locations. Generally speaking you get to choose from multiple locations when they move you and unlike being traded in sports they pack you up and move you. In addition you can choose how you enter the military as enlisted or an officer to take further control of your destiny.

I think the draft in sports is quite unique and flies in the face of capitalism - while still making a boat load of money. I also don’t know what would help floundering teams bounce back, but that doesn’t seem to be an issue in college sports. Maybe the entire philosophy of the draft is antiquated.

Jun 27, 2025 05:01 PM #200

While we should have a very competitive roster, the question is whether it is one that can compete for the B12 title, let along a NC? Championship teams have multiple NBA-level players. Based on ESPN's (way too early) mock draft, we have only 2 on the board for 2026 - DP at 1 and Flory at 56 (30+ spots below Ejiofor)...Duke has two in the top 10 (including Sarr) and four in the top 16 (of course, they did this year, as well).

Jun 27, 2025 05:10 PM #201

@DCHawker KU has more than two potential NBA players in 2026. Tre White and Bryson Tiller have also shown up in different mocks and Elmarko Jackson was thought of as a OAD when he committed so he could play his way into that realm as well.

KU has the talent, the last two signings have been the needed depth for next season.

Jun 27, 2025 05:14 PM #202

@DCHawker said in KU Roster for 25-26:

While we should have a very competitive roster, the question is whether it is one that can compete for the B12 title, let along a NC? Championship teams have multiple NBA-level players. Based on ESPN's (way too early) mock draft, we have only 2 on the board for 2026 - DP at 1 and Flory at 56 (30+ spots below Ejiofor)...Duke has two in the top 10 (including Sarr) and four in the top 16 (of course, they did this year, as well).

Lots of us have been KU basketball fans for many decades. Until recently, it was pretty easy in the preseason to gauge how good or not so good we’d be. We’d have returning four year players, with a few exciting recruits to mix in. So, we’d be dealing in known quantities. Ha, times have changed! :)

Anyway, most of these players I at least have no clue about. I can’t say I’ve ever watched St. Bonaventure intentionally.

Add to that the two guys coming off injury who we hope are big contributors, and even more question marks.

My big concerns on paper are rebounding and 3 pt shooting.

So we seem to have some experienced guys, but I’ll reserve judgment til the fall when we see em on the court.

Jun 27, 2025 05:44 PM #203

@dylans "If you’re going into a field so specialized there are only a few openings, you know where they are located, it’s no surprise." 100% agreed and this very statement is what I am getting at, the NBA is such a field.

I would place a lot of money on betting you can find more military people that are stationed where they don't want to be compared to NBA players in the world. The players also don't even have to live in that city for probably 30-50% of the year between road games and offseason, unlike most other jobs. They could also be deployed at any time and you are going to a much shittier place than Utah and can't take your family with you. Just saying being in this situation isn't as unique as it appears.

I can empathize that yes it would suck to be drafted to a team you don't want to be on or to get traded, but NBA players are paid a premium to give up that flexibility and have union representation to support them. Players could also individually negotiate a no trade clause in their contracts, but no one does that because they don't value it over leaving money on the table. Everyone in the NBA benefits from the draft system as league parity makes the whole league more profitable. I just don't think any of us need to feel sorry for NBA players and imagine most of the players would even agree that getting rid of the draft is bad for both the league and players.

Jun 27, 2025 05:52 PM #204

@rockchalkjayhawk I think those concerns are valid, but for 3 point shooting we know we are already getting an upgrade on 3 pt shooters at the 1 and 4 so at least can't be as bad as last season right?

With how this team is build, it seems like the key won't be to lead the nation in 3pt%. Just shoot enough at a respectable % so that defenders can't pack the paint and block driving/cutting lanes.

Jun 27, 2025 06:38 PM #205

@DCHawker ya , now this Group of Duke recruits ha to prove themselves.---- --There is NO COOPER Flagg or knippel l on the roster..---have seen many 5 star players come up short. Just because there 5 stars doesn't mean opponents are just gonna step aside and tell Duke to name the score and go from there..- Look how poorly Kentucky has been lately with all the so called stars haven't came through , came up short

Jun 27, 2025 07:34 PM #206

@SlimShaddy54 Duke had all five starters drafted. No KU players draft worthy. KU beat Duke… maybe Bill can coach a bit.

Jun 27, 2025 09:12 PM #207

@dylans w have beaten Duke multiple times I beleive always loaded but under preform

Jun 28, 2025 04:41 PM #208

Reading Matt Tait's site earlier and a few days ago he posted an article about Elmarko Jackson stepping up as a leader for the team next season. This is huge because he is a different style of leader from Harris and if the team takes on his attitude and personality.

Jun 28, 2025 05:09 PM #209

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

** With the recent House v NCAA settlement, things are complicated with roster size. It’s hard to say if KU has two more spots to fill, or less. Also, apparently there’s a new fule for ā€œdesignated student athletes.ā€ These are players who would have been removed given the new roster rules, but now may stick around until they run out of eligibility, but may not count against roster size. This could easily be ALL the KU walkons. ****

May as well look ahead to see what’s in store for next season.

I’ll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I’ll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

But the portal window is: March 24 to April 22

Roster size: 14 (includes ALL but DSA players. Normally it’s 15, but we lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 12 (a bit sketchy given the DSA rules)

RETURNEES (4)

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Jamari McDowell

PF Bryson Tiller

C Flory Bidunga

RETURNING WALK ONS? (4 – and potential ā€œdesignated student athletesā€)

G Noah Shelby

G Wilder Evers

G Will Thengvall

F Justin Cross

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (5)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

G Corbin Allen – Oak Park High School

SG Kohl Rosario

C Paul Mbiya — not sure what year he is

PORTAL ADDITIONS (3)

G Jayden Dawson via Loyola Chicago. One year of eligibility left.

G/F Tre White via Illinois – previous stops at Louisville, USC. One year of eligibility left.

G Melvin Council Jr. via St. Bonaventure – previous stop at Wagner. One year of eligibility left.

BIG QUESTION MARK (1)

SF Jaden Nickens – A football player who may play hoops. May have to count against the roster before the season begins.

HAVE ENTERED PORTAL (6 initially – Bidunga entered, but will return)

G/F AJ Storr – signed with Ole Miss

G/F Rylan Griffen — signed with Texas AM

G/F Rakease Passmore — signed with Maryland

PF/C Zach Clemence – signed with Texas A&M

G David Coit – signed with Maryland

Great info! Thanks!!!

Jul 06, 2025 06:07 PM #210

I’m holding on to a thought that Self has one more trick up his sleeve for that final scholie and it might be the key to our season success!

Jul 06, 2025 11:08 PM #211

@drgnslayr Do tell!

Jul 07, 2025 07:28 AM #212

Just a feeling and I don’t want to jinx anything with a detailed prediction.

Jul 07, 2025 03:27 PM #213

Noah Shelby has entered the transfer portal.

https://www.on3.com/college/kansas-jayhawks/news/kansas-sg-noah-shelby-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal/ ↗

Jul 07, 2025 03:37 PM #214

Sounds like Noah Shelby has entered the portal.

So, he was truly a designated student athlete.

** Roster above updated.

Jul 07, 2025 04:23 PM #215

@rockchalkjayhawk A miracle occurred; Moses parted the waters that Shelby could arrive, but then Noah fled on his boat.

Jul 07, 2025 06:01 PM #216

@dylans said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk A miracle occurred; Moses parted the waters that Shelby could arrive, but then Noah fled on his boat.

Ha!

What kind of NIL package would Moses ask for?

Jul 08, 2025 12:42 AM #217

@rockchalkjayhawk I don't know how much it would be, but whatever the amount, it would be etched in stone.

Jul 08, 2025 12:52 AM #218

@bskeet said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk I don't know how much it would be, but whatever the amount, it would be etched in stone.

🤣

Jul 24, 2025 10:28 PM #219

Nginyu Ngala. Things are heating up quickly

Jul 25, 2025 12:37 AM #220

Hard pass on soon to be 27 year olds!

What the hell is happening with college sports?!

Jul 25, 2025 01:37 PM #221

My KU roomie and great friend was telling me his nephew just got picked to be a student manager!

Jul 25, 2025 08:15 PM #222

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Hard pass on soon to be 27 year olds!

What the hell is happening with college sports?!

His 25

Jul 25, 2025 10:19 PM #223

Updated the roster at the top after adding the 45 year old Canadian point guard!

Jul 25, 2025 11:24 PM #224

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Hard pass on soon to be 27 year olds!

What the hell is happening with college sports?!

He's a 1 year rental that's essentially going to be doing scout team stuff. He's not someone being brought in to play a big role on the court. I'm fine with players like this because he's not going to do anything to embarrass the university.

Jul 26, 2025 12:34 AM #225

What makes you say he is a one year rental?

Jul 26, 2025 01:43 AM #226

@Jhawk69 He only has one year of eligibility left. Frankly I'm not even sure how given how old he is and how many years he has already played.

Jul 26, 2025 01:27 PM #227

@BShark He is 26 years old.

Jul 26, 2025 04:24 PM #228

One roster spot to go. Will we fill it?

Jul 26, 2025 04:31 PM #229

Updated.

May as well look ahead to see what’s in store for next season.

I’ll try to keep track of the offseason drama here. I’ll keep this mostly official, so no portal projections here.

Roster size: 14 (includes ALL but DSA players. Normally it’s 15, but we lost one to NCAA sanctions)

Roster size at the moment: 13 (a bit sketchy given the DSA rules)

RETURNEES (4)

G Elmarko Jackson

G/F Jamari McDowell

PF Bryson Tiller

C Flory Bidunga

RETURNING WALK ONS? (3 – and potential ā€œdesignated student athletesā€)

G Wilder Evers

G Will Thengvall

F Justin Cross

IMCOMING FRESHMEN (5)

G Darryn Peterson

F Samis Calderon

G Corbin Allen – Oak Park High School

SG Kohl Rosario

C Paul Mbiya — not sure what year he is

PORTAL ADDITIONS (4)

G Jayden Dawson via Loyola Chicago. One year of eligibility left.

G/F Tre White via Illinois – previous stops at Louisville, USC. One year of eligibility left.

G Melvin Council Jr. via St. Bonaventure – previous stop at Wagner. One year of eligibility left.

PG Nginyu Ngala via Canada. he’s like 28 years old! Likely a senior.

BIG QUESTION MARK (1)

SF Jaden Nickens – A football player who may play hoops. May have to count against the roster before the season begins.

HAVE ENTERED PORTAL (6 —Bidunga initially entered, but will return)

G/F AJ Storr – signed with Ole Miss

G/F Rylan Griffen — signed with Texas AM

G/F Rakease Passmore — signed with Maryland

PF/C Zach Clemence – signed with Texas A&M

G David Coit – signed with Maryland

G Noah Shelby

Jul 26, 2025 04:34 PM #230

Anybody have the scoop on Jaden Nickens? Will he play both football and basketball?

Jul 26, 2025 04:48 PM #231

@rockchalkjayhawk
Thanks for posting this with updates

Jul 26, 2025 07:45 PM #232

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

One roster spot to go. Will we fill it?

Would love a wing in that spot.

Jul 26, 2025 07:49 PM #233

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Anybody have the scoop on Jaden Nickens? Will he play both football and basketball?

Right now, it sounds like he won't be playing basketball this upcoming season based on what the KC Star wrote in their article on Ngala committing.

Jul 26, 2025 10:47 PM #234

@TYOHawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

One roster spot to go. Will we fill it?

Would love a wing in that spot.

Yea looking at the roster we do seem thin with experience at the SF spot?

Jul 27, 2025 07:36 PM #235

@AsadZ said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark He is 26 years old.

Right, it's pretty crazy that he has eligbility left. Modern times I suppose.

@rockchalkjayhawk I would be rather surprised if that spot was filled. Only so much $ and playing time.

Jul 27, 2025 11:22 PM #236

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@AsadZ said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark He is 26 years old.

Right, it's pretty crazy that he has eligbility left. Modern times I suppose.

@rockchalkjayhawk I would be rather surprised if that spot was filled. Only so much $ and playing time.

Yea on that roster spot? Seems weird for a major program like Kansas to not have a full roster of players. Times are changing i suppose.

Jul 28, 2025 01:59 AM #237

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@AsadZ said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark He is 26 years old.

Right, it's pretty crazy that he has eligbility left. Modern times I suppose.

@rockchalkjayhawk I would be rather surprised if that spot was filled. Only so much $ and playing time.

Yea on that roster spot? Seems weird for a major program like Kansas to not have a full roster of players. Times are changing i suppose.

It is also more than it used to be now. 15 instead of 13. Admittedly it was always a big bigger with walk-ons. The last spots now are essentially walk-ons. Finding cheap players in this era will be important.

Jul 28, 2025 04:25 AM #238

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@AsadZ said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark He is 26 years old.

Right, it's pretty crazy that he has eligbility left. Modern times I suppose.

@rockchalkjayhawk I would be rather surprised if that spot was filled. Only so much $ and playing time.

Yea on that roster spot? Seems weird for a major program like Kansas to not have a full roster of players. Times are changing i suppose.

It is also more than it used to be now. 15 instead of 13. Admittedly it was always a big bigger with walk-ons. The last spots now are essentially walk-ons. Finding cheap players in this era will be important.

Well for this year at least, we still have some ā€œwalk-ons.ā€

Jul 29, 2025 02:16 AM #239

@rockchalkjayhawk I'm pretty happy they are at least allowed to continue if they were already aboard. NCAA is pretty daft sometimes.

Jul 29, 2025 07:54 PM #240

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@AsadZ said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark He is 26 years old.

Right, it's pretty crazy that he has eligbility left. Modern times I suppose.

@rockchalkjayhawk I would be rather surprised if that spot was filled. Only so much $ and playing time.

Yea on that roster spot? Seems weird for a major program like Kansas to not have a full roster of players. Times are changing i suppose.

It is also more than it used to be now. 15 instead of 13. Admittedly it was always a big bigger with walk-ons. The last spots now are essentially walk-ons. Finding cheap players in this era will be important.

It's sort of more than it used to be. Before it was 13 scholarships with unlimited walk-ons, now it's 15 players with the scholarships divided up however the school want to divide the scholarships. Current walk-ons are grandfathered in for the remainder of their eligibility and are allowed to transfer if they choose to and still retain that eligibility.

I know Jaden Nickens wanted to play basketball as well and still could since KU has one roster spot open, but he's not currently listed on KU's roster so I'm wondering if Self is waiting to see how Nickens feels at the end of football season before adding him to the roster because I believe Self is now done with the 2025-26 roster.

Aug 06, 2025 01:03 PM #241

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44926563/ncaa-basketball-rosters-transfers-recruits-freshmen-2025-2026#Big12 ↗

When laid bare like that, I’m not overly encouraged about next season.

Aug 06, 2025 06:58 PM #242

Next season is going to be as good as DP and Flory let it be. The supporting cast around them doesn't jump off the page but appears to fit around those two pretty well. We went for the big transfer names in the past few years and those haven't worked out for us, so it is encouraging to me that we went after fit over talent this year. Yes a bit more shooting around DP/Flory would be nice, but that should at least be improved from the last couple of years.

So far, I haven't seen anything on DP/Flory coming out to make me believe they aren't up to the task. Granted I have been a bit checked out of KU news lately so could always be some concerning rumbling I am just missing.

Aug 06, 2025 10:21 PM #243

!alt ↗

Big gains for Flory.

Aug 06, 2025 10:48 PM #244

I’m more excited about the team than last year, but it has the build of a team that is 2-3 years away. Unfortunately teams don’t stick around that long - so maybe a sweet 16 berth should make us happy as it seemingly requires catching lightening in a bottle (or more money than KU has) to win now.

Aug 06, 2025 11:38 PM #245

The whole is going to be better than the sum of its parts IMO. Early reports are the young guys look really good. I think it’s going to be hard to keep Rosario out of the starting lineup come league play.

Aug 07, 2025 02:13 AM #246

I've heard some say Calderon shouldn't touch the floor= = == = and yet every time I hear Self talk or read things from Self he is constantly talking about how they have been really impressed with him and how he thinks he can really help the team

Aug 07, 2025 02:56 AM #247

Calderon is going to look good in unstructured scrimmages from just being crazy athletic but he was downright bad in OTE ball.

Aug 07, 2025 03:56 AM #248

If I coached this team I would probably redshirt Corbin Allen and Samis Calderon

Aug 07, 2025 05:43 AM #249

It’s a long season. Once we start play we get an early gauge, then it becomes the real test as the season progresses and we find out if they can continue to improve at a rate equal or better than the pack. This is where the joy came into focus with our last championship team as they stepped up big time towards the end. Other teams fall off often from injuries or players showing too much wear. I haven’t had much of a view of our new team but my early impression is positive on physicality and overall depth, holding promise of not wearing down as long as we avoid injuries.

Aug 07, 2025 12:21 PM #250

@dylans said in KU Roster for 25-26:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44926563/ncaa-basketball-rosters-transfers-recruits-freshmen-2025-2026#Big12 ↗

When laid bare like that, I’m not overly encouraged about next season.

On paper Arizona’s roster is head and shoulders better than KU. Texas tech is as well.

KU returning stud is Flory at 5.9ppg. Yikes even AJ Storr scored more last year. It’s not encouraging, hopefully this KU team will be a joy to watch as they aren’t winning anything of importance - the Big12 is Arizona, Texas Tech, and probably Houston’s to lose. The national title - …not KU that much I would wager my house on. It’s unusual to be able to tell before the games start that KU has zero chance to win a title of any kind. If I knew the players would be here next year I would be encouraged, but most will be gone and it’ll be another rebuild. This era sucks.

Aug 07, 2025 01:21 PM #251

I don't see anything in that article that should have you this down on next year. If you are talking about on paper, Barttorvik preseason rankings has Arizona slightly higher than KU and TT significantly lower. I do agree Houston is likely to be better, but they still have to replace some major contributors in Cryer and Roberts. These are also all preseason rankings and don't mean that much at the end of the day. It is wild to already be punting on the season before even seeing this team play a game together. IDK if you are just down on the NIL era in general or trying to neg the season so you don't get hurt again, but you can let yourself hope a little man.

Aug 07, 2025 07:07 PM #252

@MR11 This is KU, if you can’t compete for a national title, it is a bad year. Next year looks like a bad year. I would take anyone’s money that wants to wager on KU even making the final four. That roster is mid and most are one year rentals. Pass on next year. Maybe the next year more players will stick around and KU will be decent. This year is a loss already.

…about those bets, cash only.

Aug 07, 2025 09:18 PM #253

What kind of odds are you offering? I'm not big on betting but I wouldn't be able to pass up if you are giving out 100/1 championship odds if you really think KU has no chance for a title. I'm seeing most KU Vegas odds sitting at 20/1. Florida and Uconn from 2022-2023 season both won it going in to the season at 60/1 odds, 20/1 hardly seems hopeless.

Really, I'm just not seeing your reasons to completely give up on the season. Have you been at summer workouts and the team is a mess or something? Have you scouted the incoming transfers and see something that makes you think they are going to flop? I wouldn't even push back much if you were just saying you don't have high expectations for the team, that's reasonable. But seems like you are saying there is no hope for next year based on vibes and ppg numbers.

Aug 07, 2025 11:45 PM #254

I'm expecting an NCAA berth; it's not guaranteed but should be the baseline. The conference is brutally tough and that will actually help. But team has to be greater than the sum of the parts. It has to be.

Sweet 16 would be great. A bit of an aspirational goal.

Aug 08, 2025 12:51 AM #255

Bill has taken a similarly talented group to a natty appearance so just my view, but it’s too early to say.

Aug 08, 2025 01:00 AM #256

This is a good conversation but I would like to hear some other perspectives? @Texas-Hawk-10 @kuballin10 @paakdnmb43 @SlimShaddy54 What do you guys make of our squad heading into next season?

Aug 08, 2025 01:42 AM #257

@Jhawk69 I think it's worth giving the team a shot, we largely have new players.

I would take KU's roster over Arizona. I believe a lot of Dylans being down on the situation is not believing in Flory in general. I know him and Approx went at it on this subject before. I am somewhere in the middle with him but I think it's very much within the realm of possibility that he proves to be a better all around player for the team than Hunter was. Defense can be hard to measure. I know last year's team graded out well on that end but I believe that is largely due to Bill's genius. That team was not getting a stop when they needed it. I suspect this team will be better on both ends if things play out right. This roster has quite a bit of positional length and should be getting after teams, attacking the ball to generate turnovers and thriving in transition. This team should actually play fast again, which was impossible to do with Hunter. As far as the offense in general, I know the KJ/Juan horse is long dead, but the impact of not playing a complete non-shooter and an unwilling shooter will open things up tremendously. That's the thing some people (not saying anyone here) don't understand about this topic in general. Jalen Wilson in the title year shot 26% from three. The important thing is that he was a willing shooter that had to at least be guarded out there.

TL;DR I'm going to believe in this team until they give me a reason not to.

Aug 08, 2025 12:09 PM #258

@BShark Hopefully the defense is better - that would be a welcome relief. I believe the team will be more fun to watch, faster paced. I don’t believe they will win anything of consequence. They just don’t have the horses.

On paper KU has flory at 5.9ppg returning. Elmarko who didn’t inspire in his first year - hopefully he’s way better after his recovery, but that’s just wishful thinking at this point. Two mid-major players for wings - saw how that worked out with Zeke last year. Tiller? The only thing I’m excited about is Peterson - an athletic PG that can score will be nice - how’s his defense?

This team will be an also ran. A team that 6 years from now no one remembers much about. Oh yeah do you remember Peterson played for KU? look at what he’s doing in the NBA! I don’t care about the NBA though that’s likely where his best years will be. Not the one he plays for KU.

Now if there were no transfers and all freshmen were the newcomers I’d be excited as all get out about watching the team develop as they will be very good in 2-3 years. This squad won’t ever develop into anything more than what we get this year. Which I predict is a big nothing burger.

Is this the future of KU basketball? A bunch of one year rentals? The NIL era is garbage.

I think KU will field a good team. KU should field a great team ever year or have the pipeline full of young talent. There is at least one elite player on the team which is a definite improvement over the last two seasons, but the pipeline is not full.

Aug 08, 2025 12:45 PM #259

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Roster for 25-26:

Bill has taken a similarly talented group to a natty appearance so just my view, but it’s too early to say.

Robinson was a three year stud. Tyshawn was a revelation his senior year. This team doesn’t have a national player of the year candidate big that can carry them. The talent level is not really comparable. Hired gun Flory will never hold a candle to FOE Thomas Robinson.

But I like your optimism! I do think the team will be more entertaining to watch than the last couple plodding HD years.

Aug 08, 2025 02:06 PM #260

@dylans I think unless we see some kind of major change this is the future of college athletics.

Aug 08, 2025 03:24 PM #261

I'm now actually cautiously optimistic about the roster and think the team can over perform the very modest expectations. Still not clear where the scoring is going to come from unless DP can average 20ppg and we can get around 10ppg from 4-5 others. But I think this team has a chance to be elite defensively, especially if HCBS exploits the perimeter depth and pressures the ball up the court and on the perimeter. DP, EJ, Dawson, Council and McDowell, perhaps even Rosario, can rotate 1-3. We now have some rim protection with Flory and Mbiya. White has enough size to play the 4 against most line-ups and guard the perimeter. Still not sure what Tiller can bring. But those 9-10 certainly have more speed and athleticism, even if not elite level, than the past two rosters. If DP is as advertised and can break down a defense and either finish, drop-off, or kick-out, and we have a couple of guys that can hit at 35% or better from the arc, we can be more than competitive...

Aug 08, 2025 04:52 PM #262

@BShark gross

Aug 08, 2025 07:06 PM #263

@BShark I agree for the most part. I will also note that KU's defense last year was a paper tiger. Sure, they could completely stiffle Cincinatti and Arizona State to inflate their numbers, but any above-average offense absolutely carved them up at will. They allowed Baylor to score 60 points in one half! They gave up an open three in pretty much every "must stop" situation too.

Aug 08, 2025 07:49 PM #264

I'm always a preseason optimist so I think we have a good year coming up. I especially expect to see a greatly improved Elmarko. Things didn't click for him as we expected two years ago, but having taught undergrads for 30+ years I know the kinds of maturation that can occur between Freshman and Junior years. Playing beside Peterson should allow him to shine. I also think that Jamari will provide some solid minutes off the bench. Lots of folks complain how students don't stick around any more, but here are two that took a redshirt year so are 3rd year athletes in some respects. I'm expecting good things from their perseverance.

Aug 08, 2025 08:13 PM #265

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark I agree for the most part. I will also note that KU's defense last year was a paper tiger. Sure, they could completely stiffle Cincinatti and Arizona State to inflate their numbers, but any above-average offense absolutely carved them up at will. They allowed Baylor to score 60 points in one half! They gave up an open three in pretty much every "must stop" situation too.

As bad as the BYU game was the Utah game was absolutely horrific as well. Just many cases of them being horrific defensively.

Aug 08, 2025 08:28 PM #266

Last years team was atrocious, on that I think most of us can agree. They still beat Duke and UNC.

Will this years squad be good enough to win a couple marquee games? UNC, Duke, UConn are on the schedule. These three games could represent the peak opportunity for the team on the year. Unless KU gets unexpectedly hot in March these regular season games might be the pinnacle of the season. Ugg

Aug 08, 2025 08:31 PM #267

@BShark said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@BShark I agree for the most part. I will also note that KU's defense last year was a paper tiger. Sure, they could completely stiffle Cincinatti and Arizona State to inflate their numbers, but any above-average offense absolutely carved them up at will. They allowed Baylor to score 60 points in one half! They gave up an open three in pretty much every "must stop" situation too.

As bad as the BYU game was the Utah game was absolutely horrific as well. Just many cases of them being horrific defensively.

Last year they didn’t buy in and it was a disaster down the stretch. Maybe this year the guys will have more fun, gel, and play above their talent level. But if Bill is pushing up daisies the season will implode so fast. Jacque…are you ready?!?

Aug 08, 2025 09:20 PM #268

Heard Coach Self talking on a podcast the other day I think it was CBS anyways they were talking to Coach and they were asking him about if he had any thoughts he might suggest to follow him. He said ya he had a couple of guys form his current staff that he could suggest.

One he mentioned was or is pretty well known and that was Jacque- - the other he mentioned from the staff was a complete surprise for me and that Name was Jeremy Case - -- WOW had no idea

Aug 08, 2025 09:21 PM #269

@dylans Yes. Last years team had the roster to be good (as evidenced by a strong November, preseason number 1 ranking, outplaying Houston) but suffered from lack of effort, lack of leadership, lack of cohesion etc.

To clarify for those who don't know how to read, I am not saying last years roster should have been ranked number 1 or that it didn't have shortcomings, just that it had the pieces for our team to be much better than it was.

Aug 08, 2025 09:22 PM #270

I admit i have absolutely no clue how good or bad we'll be. Never seen anybody play except Flory and Elmarko, who wasn't much at the time.

So, fingers crossed we are a cohesive unit. Guessing team chemistry can't be as bad as last year's cluster F.

On paper, I do think we have some deficiencies...shooting (my usual complaint), size at the two big spots.

It will be exciting to see DP though. I sure hope he's truly the second coming.

Aug 08, 2025 10:45 PM #271

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@dylans Yes. Last years team had the roster to be good (as evidenced by a strong November, preseason number 1 ranking, outplaying Houston) but suffered from lack of effort, lack of leadership, lack of cohesion etc.

To clarify for those who don't know how to read, I am not saying last years roster should have been ranked number 1 or that it didn't have shortcomings, just that it had the pieces for our team to be much better than it was.

It appeared the locker room was deeply fractured. The loss in March seemed more like a mercy.

Hopefully this team will be more of a unified group. That alone will make for more enjoyable play to watch. - That’s my only real hope for the season, that KU basketball is fun to watch again. If the players are having fun, maybe the results will surprise. It would be nice to want the season to continue this go around.

Aug 08, 2025 11:06 PM #272

@Jhawk69 I really like this team on paper. The last 2 years, I warned multiple times that the season could be a disaster because the rosters weren't well constructed and the transfers Self brought in didn't compliment who was already here.

The biggest concern for me this season on paper is the offense. This isn't necessarily a bad shooting team, but nobody that's expected to play big minutes is elite either. Rosario is probably the best shooter on the team, but it remains to be seen how well his shooting will adapt to the college game. Outside of him, we have a bunch of wings and guards who all in the 32%-35% range which isn't elite, but not bad enough to where you can ignore them either

I know some are concerned that Self didn't hit on a high scoring wing in the portal and there is some validity to that, but I'm not too concerned about KU's ability to score. Peterson is going to be big time and there's very little evidence to suggest he won't be as good as advertised at KU. If KU has 4 or 5 other players in 9-13 ppg range, they'll be in good shape. Flory is still pretty raw offensively so I don't see this season being a breakout year for him, but I still think he'll average a double-double or be very near it. The man is a rebounding machine with good instincts so I think he'll be fine.

Defense is where we'll all see drastic improvements and I think this will be Self's best defensive team post-Covid. Everyone expected to be in the is above average to elite defensively and everybody is good enough to switch. Rosario is the I don't know much about his defensive abilities, but if the effort isn't there, he's gonna be sitting his butt on the bench. I think Flory and Council will be in the mix for B12 DPOY and potentially NDPOY.

We've got a good schedule and should know pretty quickly what this team is capable of. I like that most have KU in the 15-20 range because the weight of preseason expectations won't be there. Obviously, Darryn Peterson is tge most important player and NPOY candidate, but as far as determining how deep KU can go this year, I think the two most important players are Elmarko Jackson and Bryson Tiller. We all know Elmarko was considered a OAD candidate out of high school, he hung around and stay through adversity both adversity both on and off the court which speaks volumes to his character (same with Jamari McDowell) and if Elmarko can play anywhere near that level, that's going to make KU an incredibly dangerous team to have a backcourt of Peterson and Jackson tearing teams apart.

The other player that's key to me is Bryson Tiller. He's healthy and he's another guy already on NBA radars so if he can be a serviceable back up to Flory and develop enough range to play the 4, then KU would move into legit national title contender territory.

As of right now, I'd say the Elite 8 is tge ceiling for this team, but if Elmarko and Tiller can play near their ability levels consistently, then I'll call KU a title contender.

Aug 09, 2025 12:54 AM #273

For me the question is whether Bill Self can work the ol Bill Self magic on this group. Historically he is good at getting the most out of his teams but that sure as hell didn't happen these past couple seasons.

Aug 09, 2025 01:27 AM #274

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

For me the question is whether Bill Self can work the ol Bill Self magic on this group. Historically he is good at getting the most out of his teams but that sure as hell didn't happen these past couple seasons.

The last two years did have quite a bit in common. The hope is that it was just a rotten core. I still think bringing in Hunter was ultimately a mistake but alas.

Aug 09, 2025 02:38 AM #275

@BShark In hindsight Hunter was a disaster, but who would’ve though Zuby and Udeh both would shirk from competition so hard?!? Knowing that I’d still rather have had the two, maybe. Eh why not? the alternative stunk.

Aug 09, 2025 02:42 AM #276

2 yrs ago a healthy Kevin would’ve made a big difference! After knee surgery this past season, he looked really good in summer league. He didn’t even play the whole time. They cut him off.

Aug 09, 2025 04:22 AM #277

@dylans After seeing Zuby at St Johns its a no brainer to pick him over Hunter. Hindsight is 20 20 though.

Aug 09, 2025 05:38 AM #278

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@dylans After seeing Zuby at St Johns its a no brainer to pick him over Hunter. Hindsight is 20 20 though.

Close, but Hunter only averaged 18 and 10! :)

Aug 09, 2025 06:00 AM #279

@rockchalkjayhawk But Zuby gives you stats that are almost as good, plus is a better defender, plus would have cost us less NIL money that we could have spent elsewhere.

Aug 09, 2025 04:20 PM #280

So apparently we weren’t done recruiting for this year?

class of 2025 small forward, Billy White III committed to Southern Methodist University.

Last week, we reported White's announcement of Kansas inside his final few schools, with the news first being broken by Joe Tipton, yet White chose elsewhere

Aug 09, 2025 09:03 PM #281

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@rockchalkjayhawk But Zuby gives you stats that are almost as good, plus is a better defender, plus would have cost us less NIL money that we could have spent elsewhere.

During the 2023-24 season, Zuby averaged 4 and 3 while oy playing 11 minutes per game. Udeh averaged 4 and 5 while playing 17 mpg his first year at TCU in 2023-24. Neither player was ready to step up and contribute that year. KU still needed an impact big for that season. Even if those 2 stayed and KU never lands Hunter, it doesn't do anything to address KU's biggest offensive issue the last two years, KJ Adams and the 4 spot. Neither Zuby, nor Udeh are 3 point threats so they don't do anything to address the spacing issues KJ created at the 4 spot.

The arguing about Hunter vs. Zuby/Udeh doesn't really matter to KU's success those two years because of the 4 spot. On the court, Hunter was never the biggest issue the past 2 years. His offensive game was tailor made for Self's system. Self unfortunately couldn't put a group on the court around Hunter that complimented his skill set. Hunter needed guys that could move without the ball to create driving lanes and open 3's, but the only two players that could do that were McCullar and Harris. We also know Harris didn't have a quick shot to take those open looks from 3 he consistently had which was frustrating as Harris was a 37% 3 point shooter for his career.

Aug 11, 2025 02:21 AM #282

@Jhawk69 Danny & the miracles

Carmelo and Jerry who???

Yeah DP 100% as Kobe 2.0 can lead us to a title

We have the athleticism

We have the length

We have the buy-in from the guys

The dudes like each other and all seem humble

I’m 100% on board with this squad. Gotta see them their first few games and I may 180 my tune but for now I'm gonna hope DP is the greatest recruit we’ve ever had (because honestly he is)

Aug 11, 2025 09:17 PM #283

I don’t remember a single soul in here predicting a natty just ahead of the 2022 season. Play the game and enjoy the show! RCJH!

Sep 02, 2025 01:15 PM #284

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/46097003/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25-teams-best-candidates-awards-honors-2025-2026 ↗

6th ranked Big12 team seems about right. I hope this squad can end the year ranked. Tough road ahead; hopefully they over achieve. 7 potentially ranked teams on the schedule gives the Jayhawks plenty of opportunity to prove themselves!

Sep 02, 2025 02:42 PM #285

I don't blame people for being a little low on this team given the history of the last 2 seasons. But this is a totally new team built around a great NBA prospect with athletes all across the board. As you said, we'll get an idea of whether or not they should be ranked higher earlier with the non conference schedule

Sep 02, 2025 03:53 PM #286

@rcjhdraft said in KU Roster for 25-26:

I don't blame people for being a little low on this team given the history of the last 2 seasons. But this is a totally new team built around a great NBA prospect with athletes all across the board. As you said, we'll get an idea of whether or not they should be ranked higher earlier with the non conference schedule

Unfortunately that describes 1/2 the schedule. This Kansas roster is a bit weak - looks like a middle of the pack to top 1/3 of the Big12 team. Definitely won’t out talent many teams.

Sep 02, 2025 06:30 PM #287

@dylans Flory is going to have a Joel Embiid year.

Sep 02, 2025 06:56 PM #288

I am hopeful for a team very improved over last year's team. First, we will immediately experience a team with a lot more athleticism. That doesn't always translate into victories, but I look back on last year's team and how Harris and Dickinson looked anemic (along with defensive anemia from Storr, Mayo, and Griffen). I think DP will be the key and it is my opinion he is figuring out how to make other players better. Flory will be a beast, especially since his minutes won't just be an afterthought. Part of our offense will be building offense around Flory. All his attention will just light him on fire with enthusiasm. My only worries are foul trouble, though he will have more weakside and on-ball defense support this year.

We are due for a good "chip year!" No more lofty, silly preseason #1 ranking!

Sep 02, 2025 07:04 PM #289

@approxinfinity said in KU Roster for 25-26:

@dylans Flory is going to have a Joel Embiid year.

Ugg show flashes and then get hurt before March madness? I wish he had Embiid’s potential, but he doesn’t. Too small and not skilled enough. He could be a very good college player if he puts in the work, but will never be an NBA MVP due to genetics.

Sep 02, 2025 07:09 PM #290

@drgnslayr said in KU Roster for 25-26:

I am hopeful for a team very improved over last year's team. First, we will immediately experience a team with a lot more athleticism. That doesn't always translate into victories, but I look back on last year's team and how Harris and Dickinson looked anemic (along with defensive anemia from Storr, Mayo, and Griffen). I think DP will be the key and it is my opinion he is figuring out how to make other players better. Flory will be a beast, especially since his minutes won't just be an afterthought. Part of our offense will be building offense around Flory. All his attention will just light him on fire with enthusiasm. My only worries are foul trouble, though he will have more weakside and on-ball defense support this year.

We are due for a good "chip year!" No more lofty, silly preseason #1 ranking!

I just hope they are entertaining/fun to watch. Last year sucked. At least be entertaining and act like you care/want to be there and that’ll be a big improvement. - this team isn’t sniffing winning the league, hopefully they will be fun to watch before they all leave and it’s a mostly new roster next year. 🤢

Sep 02, 2025 08:16 PM #291

I don't know how good we will be next year but I can all but guarantee we will be better than last year. Let's break it down by position.

PG- This is a battle between Melvin and Elmarko. I think Melvin takes the cake. I don't know if Melvin will be better than DaJuan. Melvin is as weak at outside shooting as DaJuan was, is more athletic and can create better penetration but probably not as good a floor general. Overall I could see us either being slightly better or slightly worse at PG than we were last year.

2G: Darryn will be better than Mayo.

3G: Dawson, Rosario, or even Jamari could start here. Any of these three would be an upgrade over Rylan. Something that was not talked about often enough was how bad Rylan was last year. Horrific on-ball defender, out of position constantly on both offense and defense, could barely dribble a basketball, and wasn't even that good a shooter. He might be the worst starter in KU history and it is likely we never start a player as bad as him again.

PF: Tre White will start here. Last year it was KJ. Tre White gives us everything KJ gave us (hustle, glue, good defense) plus is a better rebounder and shooter. This is an upgrade.

C: Flory will stary here. He won't be the scorer Hunter was but will be a better player overall. He won't cause all the turnovers Hunter caused and he won't be toasted by every decent opposing center we play. He will be at least a small upgrade and has the potential to be a massive upgrade.

Bench: Elmarko, Dawson/Rosario, Jamari, Mbiya, Tiller is a much better group than Coit, Storr, and last years Flory was.

So, in conclusion, we will be getting an upgrade everywhere except for maybe at the 1.

Sep 03, 2025 07:49 PM #292

@Jhawk69 Good assessment! I have to add... which Juan? I thought last year's Juan was bad. I didn't like the way he ran the offense. He rarely actually created offense himself like he used to by having plays with one other teammate to score. He was recognized for his defense in past years but he wasn't outstanding at D last year and was often a liability. I'm complaining... but I still liked Juan tremendously.

The biggest problem with last year's team on offense... every player (except Mayo) we had was one-dimensional. KJ, the year before last year, started to nail down midrange shots and floaters. That was gone and teams dared him to shoot those last year. Hunter was the closest thing to a 2-dimensional threat with his long ball, but failed and then teams learned to just get a hand up from trey. Rylan... only required a little outside D to shut him down. Juan... refused to attack.

I think we will have a lot more multiple-dimensionality. Just having a guy like DP to carve up defenses is a huge start.

Sep 03, 2025 08:02 PM #293

The team, including Juan, but to a man, felt broken at a certain point without a way to fix. Agree Juan wasnt good by the end of the season, but I’m not faulting him for it.

Sep 03, 2025 09:41 PM #294

Last year's team was not lacking athletes or ability. But they performed/executed well below their abilities. For a Bill Self team, this was anomalous. We are used to Bill Self teams performing at or beyond their individual ceilings.

So, I'm going to posit that the players this year are, collectively, more or less similar in ability to previous years'. What will need to be different is how they perform throughout the season.

That leads me to the question: is the 2025 Bill Self and staff greater than the 2024 Bill Self and staff?

Sep 03, 2025 11:32 PM #295

@drgnslayr Juan struggled at times last year but much of that was because he shouldered such a heavy load. Overall I think he did fine, not great, but fine considering that he was tasked with creating every look on offense and defending the other teams best player on defense.

Sep 05, 2025 05:20 PM #296

The last 2 years were a struggle because Self went for big names in the portal instead of the best fits. I know Hunter catches a lot of grief, but he absolutely was a perfect Bill Self 5. The only reason his poor defense is held against him so mich is because he was usually surrounded by at least 2 other bad defenders on the floor as well. Dejuan and KJ were the only players that played consistently that we're considered good defenders.

AJ Storr is an extremely talented offensive player, but he needed to be in a system where he could be on the ball more with a coach that likes to run iso because that's his strength. Rylan Griffen had never played in an offensive system with structure to it and he never picked up the nuances of Self's motion offense and was frequently out of position because of that.

On paper, I love the roster composition this season so much more than the last 2 years and I think as long as Self's health holds up, I believe this team has a legitimate chance at making a Final Four this year. On paper, this could become one of the best defensive teams Self has ever had. Every player brought in that's expected to play big minutes has a reputation of being above average to elite on defense.

There are some valid concerns about the offense this year, but I think that's being a little it overhyped. Nobody on KU is an elite shooter, except maybe Rosario, but I believe the only one I would consider a bad shooter is Council. Tre White has gotten about 3% better each year from 3, all 3 years at P5 schools, so I don't see a reason to believe he can't shoot close to 35% this season.

By no means do I believe KU is going to lead the Big 12 in 3 point shooting, but I believe they'll be good enough that teams have to guard them on the perimeter opening up driving lanes for them as well.

Sep 05, 2025 06:34 PM #297

I agree with the general sentiment of your post but I do not agree that Hunter was the perfect Bill Self 5. Bill Self usually expects and gets physical and scrappy play from his bigs. Hunter was the furthest thing you could get from physical or scrappy.

Sep 05, 2025 07:16 PM #298

@Texas-Hawk-10 @Jhawk69 I think Hunter would’ve been very good had we had some shooters. Several pictures were posted on X the last two years of him have 3 or 4 people on him at all times. When there is zero threat of someone hitting a long shot, just pack the paint. I was never a fan of Juan’s game personally, I hate walking the ball up the floor and dribbling in circles going nowhere just to do it. Kansas basketball is pushing the ball and getting out into fast break. I think we can do that this season. Basketball 1-0-1 easiest why to beat the defense is to beat it down the floor.

Sep 05, 2025 07:34 PM #299

The Arkansas game dispels the notion of Hunter being a good player hindered by a bad roster around him for me. He is a good mid-major big but cannot start on a top-25 team. He can use his size and nice touch around the rim to score in bunches against lesser opponents. But any quality opponent will hold him to an inefficient night on offense and score at will against his defense.

Sep 05, 2025 10:07 PM #300

@Jhawk69 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

The Arkansas game dispels the notion of Hunter being a good player hindered by a bad roster around him for me. He is a good mid-major big but cannot start on a top-25 team. He can use his size and nice touch around the rim to score in bunches against lesser opponents. But any quality opponent will hold him to an inefficient night on offense and score at will against his defense.

That happened because teams like Arkansas doubled and triple team Hunter as much as possible because they gambled that KJ and Dejuan wouldn't do anything on offense.

David McCormack was also not much of a physical player and was never a good defender as well, but because he had a much better supporting cast on defense, Self was able to hide McCormack's shortcomings on that end of the floor. Mayo, Griffen, and Storr were nowhere near Braun, Agbaji, and Wilson on defense and therefore, Hunter's bad defense couldn't be schemed around the McCormack could.

Sep 06, 2025 07:19 AM #301

Hunter was a unique player and I don't think his game worked well for any team out there. He had skill with his repetitive offense... but he moved like a slug out there. Plus... he played soft. When we needed our guys to really buckle down against the better teams he wasn't bringing that extra energy. We've usually had bigs with less offensive moves but they would get pushed to turn up their intensity when we needed it. Big Mac.. TRob, etc... even Landen Lucas brought extra juice when we needed it.

Sep 06, 2025 07:22 AM #302

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Roster for 25-26:

On paper, I love the roster composition this season so much more than the last 2 years and I think as long as Self’s health holds up, I believe this team has a legitimate chance at making a Final Four this year. On paper, this could become one of the best defensive teams Self has ever had. Every player brought in that’s expected to play big minutes has a reputation of being above average to elite on defense.

My thoughts exactly!

Sep 06, 2025 05:14 PM #303

@Texas-Hawk-10 Even if that were true I don't think it changes the fact that Hunter had no physicality or hustle, meaning he isn't a Bill Self big.

Sep 06, 2025 08:02 PM #304

@Jhawk69 there was a precedent in the Bill Self era fot skilled slow unathletic bigs on some of his less functional rosters

Sep 06, 2025 09:03 PM #305

@approxinfinity Dedrick Lawson?

Sep 07, 2025 03:41 AM #306

Did anyone see Fran Frascilla’s comments on KU on X? He was extremely high on them, and said that they are vastly underrated. Thinks Calderon is a star in the making, and says he doesn’t see a way DP doesn’t end up a 1st team AA. I’m no fan of FF, but that’s pretty high praise from a guy who knows hoops, and is around our program a lot.

Sep 07, 2025 04:06 AM #307

@P-H-C I saw his comments. I hope he meant them and not kissing up cause so many of our fans can’t stand him!

Sep 07, 2025 04:59 AM #308

I'm super psyched up on this team. I'm certain more of you would be if you saw them practice. The athleticism alone is going to shock you. I know we will have plenty of tests this year before March... especially teams like Houston. But I like our chances on preconference games because even though we are a team of new players, they will start off ahead of many other teams. The questions down the road will be about injuries and if we can continue to develop at a rapid pace to keep up with the competition.

Sep 07, 2025 05:53 AM #309

On a podcast I listened to, I guess FF had also X’d about DP hitting 8 3’s in a row with some being contested during a scrimmage. Not just 8 during the scrimmage, but 8 in a row. 🤯

Sep 08, 2025 08:05 PM #310

What I am happiest about from Fran's tweets was his report that Flory is now more powerful. It might not be true (Fran's takes are not always good) but if it is that is exactly what the doctor ordered regarding Flory.

Sep 08, 2025 10:08 PM #311

@Jhawk69

Yeah this offseason should have benefited him the most. I don't particularly think he has the body type that's meant to put on a lot of mass as you want him to be the athletic specimen he is but natural maturation should help him be more of a post anchor this yr. I'm interested to see his skill development as much as anything. Self sounded very pleased with his progression this summer.

Sep 09, 2025 01:32 AM #312

@P-H-C I think Calderon is under rated , think he will more of a help then some of our own fans think. Coach hsa been really impressed with him, going to ne some more depth going to get quality minutes off the bench;