Well looks like we'll start on ESPN3 while waiting for UNC and FSU to wrap up. I think our game tonight will give us the indication as to whether we hang another psuedo=Big 12 banner in AFH.
Just deleted my game thread pops... Here we go ...
@globaljaybird Sorry. We must've done it the same time. I looked to see if anybody had started one.
LET'S GO HAWKS! Show them all you are the No. 1 team.
@globaljaybird Looks like tip at 9:10
These are the moments it's great to be a KU fan...HUGE GAME!!!
unc is waxing the seminoles...
Pay Heed All Who Enter. RCJGKU.
Brent and Dick. Great.
Dick wasn't even a good coach
@brooksmd Would it kill ESPN to stagger their hoops broadcast by say thirty minutes? FOX NFL started doing this with the game of the week, which now starts at 3:30 Central. It's so nice for many reasons: actually knowing when the game will start, not having to look for URL's you never knew existed, cable channels you may or may not have, and you can enjoy the current game with the ease of mind that it isn't interrupting the one you actually want to watch. We all know ESPN think the world of their on air personalities, so surely they could give us 5-25 minutes of BS between games. Done ranting until Musberger gets me riled up :rage:
mushburger....ugh...
Oh geez, Mush-mouth and Dickie V. Why me Lord?
dipsy doo dunkaroo dickie...ugh....
Ugly start
Let's GEAUX Jayhawks
@Crimsonorblue22 Quiet bunch here tonite.
Ugh, Hunter!!! Gotta have two points there!
Graham is playing hard. Not totally smart, but hard.
Bench play wins this game.
Need to dunk the ball.
Lots of jump shots
Game settling into a grind, as I expected. This timeout sub for Hunter could be very interesting
Jam means grind
If Oklahoma's forward gets a banner in his honor with celestial bodies on it will it be called a Star Spangler Banner?
More turnovers than Sara Lee
missed everything at the rim so far
Their guards can stay with ours.their bigs board better. Kruger is running all the old Hartman cuts.
Yes Greene!!
BG wit da 3 !
D leads to 3
BG showing us why he is getting the minutes over Svi right now.
Lon is trying to make it turn into an inside game
Self going out now with BG
Buddy Heild and Brannen Greene... by FAR the two most punchable faces in the b12
OU giving trey
is that Higgins, the "ref"?
Perry alive!
who are the refs? They seem to want to be part of the game.
We need our officials expert Mom of 3 to tell us who's reffing.
@wissoxfan83 Dumb foul by Traylor
Higgins one of em
I'll say it again Bench play wins this game.
@wissoxfan83 That last whistle a head scratcher.
Officials: John Higgins, Steve Olson, Kelly Self
6 team fouls already
Wonder when Dookie V and Brent will retire?
Keegan gets love from Dickie V!
Ellis Coast to Coast!
Bragg is a quick jumper
Love our teams confidence!!
Good decision to start Ellis at point guard
I love WUG Selden!!!
Loud and fun!
3's and mid-range 2's...58% from FG
Perry isn't Collison in the post, and he isn't Rush on the wing, but how in the hell do you not like this dude's game?
Lucas under the bsket...disaster.
LL before Diallo
The take Ellis out for Lucas experiment isn't working thus far.
Lucas showing zero fundamentals in the paint tonight. He is much better than that. Come on man!
LL quick hook by Self?
There is no reason for Lucas to be in this game - he doesn't match up with anyone on OU.
@KansasComet waiter, i want the "CHIECK"
WTF. You suck, Higgins
That Ref
Sigh... wish the students didn't take the page out of the KSU book with the Bull-Shit chant. What is that now, four points off of second chance whistles, err, shots? That Diallo foul, if it was one, was well after the shot.
Diallo was straight up vertical
@globaljaybird Ageed!
Hate to say it, but 2 straight crappy attempts by LL.
Self finessed it into up tempo.
Lon out maneuvered!
um stop picking on Lucas? He'll be fine
That's 8 harms by us, only 3 on them. I hope the stripes are made aware of that descrepencey
No kidding. Getting close to "t" time
Self using that deep bench. 11 players have played.
Kruger sounds like a daffy uncle.
Come on d
Devonte needs to calm down a tad.
Ref is Oklahoma's best player!
Graham has had a couple of bad passes.
Perry telegraphs his moves sometimes like a HS QB
Ellis two weak shots in the paint.
Mason is tougher in the paint.
@KansasComet scared to go to the contact again
@globaljaybird If our bigs ever go rabbit hunting they better use a 12 ga with all the bunnies they miss.
@wissoxfan83 You can bet HCBS will let them know and it will balance out soon.
BOOYAH!!!!
If I will give Self for one thing and one thing only this season, it is him not using the quick hook on Greene. Dude has grapefruits when he is shooting the three.
Big J by Greene. Needed after the last one
hard to complain too much about Perry in this game, but it'd be nice if he could draw some contact
71.4% from 3 for us
22% for them
Diallo is playing well
Coach is coaching a master piece. Using his bench.
Diallo getting some minutes
Back to 6. Come on fellas
slop game favors OU
8 FTAs for OU and 1 for KU. IN AFH
Dickie, that wasn't Spangler, that was a vacuum of KU bigs boxing out. OU looks like Hield, Higgins, and some dudes that couldn't impress Bob Stoops. Graham fixes his game, KU hits the glass better, and gets the win.
The 11 point cushion was nice but I expect this to be closer than that the rest of the night. Great game so far!
Our PG's have 5 TO's 3 DG and 2 FM...that's uncharacteristic, lack of patience, trying to push a little too hard at times.
Hang on to it there Hunter!
Svi for three!!
Svi for 3,long overdue
SVI!!!!!!!!!!
Hield has over half OU's points.
Bad call again
@tundrahok kneecap
Get a technical bill. This is bull
Ref has OU T-Shirt on underneath.
5 pt game...time to make a push here at the end
Saving Selden for the second half or does he have a couple fouls that I missed?
Falling apart
Graham has 5 turnovers
Bout damn time
That was BULLSHIT!!!
This is not how you treat the Jayhawks in AFH Mr. Ref
Worst call of all time
Start the letter to the league
Hield really making it tough for Devonte to do anything
SCREW YOU, HIGGINS...
The ref has exray vision and can see right through the OU guy
@SkinnyKansasDude omgosh! Awful
TOs and FTs the difference in this game right now.
How can you even call that when you're behind the play?
This is an incredible coaching duel
Hard to believe there's a ref worse than Higgins.
FTA
OU - 15
KU - 1
total bs...
OU will get tired.
Svi really looked good guarding Hield outside, but Hield can drive on him. Devonte has to reach down and say he can score on Hield and drive into him.
PF
OU - 5
KU - 12
Ridiculous
Svi has 3 fouls. At least Selden is rested.
I thought this was going to be a good. KU rolls in the second half.
Going to be killer adjustments by both coaches coming out of half time
@jaybate-1.0 self box and 1?
Fouls aside. Gotta get back quicker and guard with their feet. Looked all half long like if OU wasn't missing shots they're up on us. And yep. Sure enough
@globaljaybird Higgins has x-ray vision?
The only reason OU is even in this game is the officiating.
Shooting %s almost dead even. We have more boards, but many more TOs and fouls. Plus, they have 6 blocks to our 1. Our guards got "sped up" as HCBS often complains of - really first time this year they haven't played well. Expect that will be softly talked about at in the locker room....
Lon just actioned KU to death.
Self took off the Trey gloves and picked up the pace.
Lon said fine, we'll play it any way you want Bill.
These are two tough coaches to outflank!
@jaybate-1.0 Maybe so but I hope Danny's image appears as they come out from the bench & says "EFF THAT"
@jaybate-1.0 If coaching duel is code for one team depending on one guy being on fire, while said guy's team is get every freaking whistle (good and bad), then yeah, it's coaching. Sadly, the worst part of all of this, if any questionable calls occur in the second half and KU wins, no one will remember the happenings of the first half.
Half time adjustments:
1) Graham way out of his element for the moment. He calms down, gets back to normal, and helps set up the snipers, Greene and Selden.
2) KU does not lose sight of Hield again, and forces him to operate from half court and secondary break. This comes at the expense of second chance point, but KU not killing the offensive glass anyhow, so it's a net positive.
3) Officials stop holding up Kruger's and the Sooners' balls and call the game properly. OU will not be in the Double Bonus in the second half.
4) KU keeps up the good ball movement they exhibited in the first half, and with a fair whistle, pull ahead and win by three possessions.
Lone doesn't have enough bullets to stay in this game.
I wouldn't say poor defense. Nobody is going to shut down OU. To many weapons. Take away the one sides officiating and OU is getting blown out.
Higgins is the one who ejected Bobby Hurley. #$%&-+++,/;##66-66-
Boy that was the worst minute in Allen fieldhouse history.
Mason is exhausted already he blatantly gave up the 3 that cut it to the 40 38 by standing there.
How do you blow 2 first half leads of 11. Don't guard buddy Hield that's how.
I still expet to turn this around but man er have got to want it
I'm drinking a beer called Three Blind Mice. Seemed appropriate.
@tundrahok refs booed as they were coming out
If Self can't stop Hield and get Devonte untracked, then Lon turns it back into an inside rebounding contest and wins.
If Self can untrack Devonte, or untrack Svi/BG, stop Hield, only grind with lead, KU wins.
Lon is in the better position. I predicted OU would win. Hope to hell Self has a rabbit in a hat.
Sorry sir, but bench play wins this game.
@tundrahok brewed here in spfd, mo. Shut down Hield or not, we can't win with this many turnovers from our guards who usually protect the ball very well.
Of course they made the wrong call there but it's a play that almost always goes to the offensive player and that's just how it is.
Turnovers are way up this game especially graham
@Crimsonorblue22 that's not so bad. They deserve to have the hell beat out of them in the middle of the floor. Lol
Heild will get his, just tighten up tos and fouls
This is why I signed up for this site to be honest. Having to type out my frustration helps me not throw out my frustration with heavy objects into soft walls....
Foul them harder, I say.
Key to the 2nd half is getting to the bonus first. OU took big advantage of our foul trouble
@Jayrawks1 They sell Mother's beer here in Lawrence as of about last June. Decent.
Better lock em down for 20 fellas
Very seldom do great college players carry over great first half stats to the second half. OU is living off Heild. OU is living off borrowed time.
@BeddieKU23 My problem and most others feel the same way, the ref who called it was behind the OU player and couldn't possibly see what happened.
Crowd seems fired up.
I like where we are at.
Down a few points at half... Self all worked up in a tizzy.
I like our chances down the stretch. We should have more energy. We have a deeper bench and all we really need to do is stay close and clamp down in the last 5 minutes of the game.
Our transition defense was good until the later part of the half. Need to shore that up because OU burned us big time when we stopped getting back, especially on Buddy.
I'm looking for a very energetic Kansas team the second half. We didn't seem to have much energy in that first half, but the comparison was against OU and their high energy. They wanted to come in and not fall behind so far like they did last year. The problem with that is they spent a lot of energy in that first half.
Energy should be the difference in this game and we should have more of it than OU the second half... but that is just prediction.
Lon better pass out football helmets because the ass whopping is coming.
Dang, Jamari.
Back to the basket ball is not OUR game.
Self coming back with action. Lon fooled him and spread it out.
Man, this is cool.
Oh
We seem tired or arelaying on the floor a lot while they're running.
This is wrecking my Monday
Interior O and D. Our biggest downfall
wide open shots. Good lord
ummm why is jam tray in the game?
Devonte completely off.
Gotta plAy through Frank. Drive ball will win it.
It's getting rockem sockem
Traylor going to take himself out of the game with his hustle. He's beating himself up.
should be an intentional on the OU player that grabbed Perry, IMO
Flagrant on OU
I can tell u from afh he's working his ass off
Frank also needs to take two treys quickly.
I'm not sure we have the D to get back in this
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
I can tell u from afh he's working his ass off
I'm assuming you mean traylor. would agree.
So Spangler swung first.
IF this is worth checking a monitor over, this has become a sissy sport.
I have no idea how Jamari is still plAying from that fall
you at the game? where you sitting?
Refs lost control of this with their overall shittyness.
Wayne needs to look in a mirror.
And get mad
Perry Pfhlopping!
That was pretty weak. Just talk, nobody out of control.
Spangler is annoying me like Dave Sieger
@wissoxfan83 that was a whole lot of nothing in that sequence.
Jack Hartman and Eddie must be loving this game!!!!
So we didnt as a team come out blazing like I thought starting to wonder if it's not our night
Have to make shots that's all that matters
@BeddieKU23 Come on Beddie, don't be the first to jump ship.
Our halftime rebounding edge is gone - 8 to 2 for OU so far this half. We're getting out-worked and beat to spots right now.
Lon has been ahead of Self every move this half!
Haven't seen this very often.
John Higgins can go and suck a donkey's fat...
Great Jam drive!!!
The Jam Tray stays.
That takes major kahonas to stand in front of that boy
Graham playing out the conclusion to Tiananmen Square!
Devonte is just getting schooled!
Graham deserved that elbow to the nose they way he's playing
The Tray!!!!
Traylor is keeping us in it
Wayne, meet the bench
We've gotta quit with the sloppy.
Im am absolutely stunned at how focused OU looks. They are not screwing themselves over like KU is. If this is what @jaybate-1.0 meant by coaching duel, then yeah, Lon be winning right now.
We need some Brannen greene
Devonte is playing without a pair !!!!
Graham is killing KU tonight.
Bragg?
@jaybate-1.0 Got that right. I was actually hoping Lucas was coming in for Graham
Lucas in...jury out...I'm told he'll redeem his early play
Landen sent in to knock'em off spots and take an oop
Lucas paused to effect on that inside shot. No spins, just delay
I giggle when teams run the weave on KU
Seldon takes it to the rack!
Perry is now the only effective half court offender.
WAYNE GOT MAD!
That should have been an And 1
How was selden not fouled on that dunk?
@wissoxfan83 agree
No foul there. Self giving it to them again!
I wish mush would shut his mouth
When in doubt press
Hield and Wayne decide to settle this like Trey men
Wayne finding his driving gene through anger!
How do u guard Hield any better than mason did. Followed by 50 swear words as he just hits a 3. Can't wait til he's gone
They've made 12 FT's, we've made 2. There's your ballgame folks.
Shooting %'s nearly even in every category. FTA's are where the discrepancy in the score comes from the most. OU 17 - KU 3 with a 10 pt differential.
@wissoxfan83 Wondering if this is a product of how KU has played in the past... KU known for pounding it inside, they don't this year and when the identity changes ever so slightly, they get zero calls when they drive and get banged the f' up.
4 guys failed to go after that rebound giving them a 2nd chance and 3 pt.
Jam tray makes a freaking lazy pass and suddenly it's 8 points again.
No reason to have tired guys out there.
They just want it more. Man this is hard to wtch
They are beating us with our style of play.
The whole momentum that was built up seems lost now.
Selden's dumb shot down three started this.
I think it's Frank and Perry time...
@wissoxfan83 Ya know the phrase, "perception is reality". Just wondering what in the hell the perception of OU is at this point. Soooooo frustrated.
We just don't have any answers. I was worried about our transition D. It's not so hot
@BeddieKU23 Higgins wants it more too
Plenty of time
@globaljaybird Preach!
Rebounds have really kept this lead up
Has Mick played at all this half???
Bragg not ready
Gonna say we didn't need another sloppy turnover there perhaps
@wissoxfan83 Can I get an Amen ?
@Crimsonorblue22 He's had a few in recent games like that where he just didn't hang on to a pass.
It's a championship-like game.
Blink, and you are punished. No room for error or for lapse of concentration.
@globaljaybird And, no Bragg or Diallo? Just went away from what was working the first 19 minutes???
I refuse to believe we will lose this game.
Lucas has had 0's across the board except his 2 FGA's.
I don't get nervous til the last minute of the game
Put Diallo in.
We've still just had 3 FTA's, should gt two more here now. Nearly double our attempts for the game on 1 shootingfoul
Devonte found a spare pair!
That appeared to be a smelly call
looks like I'll be standing for the rest
I'll b praying rest if game! Let's do this!!!
Ohhh Damn, AFH, you never disappoint.
LIttle bit of luck on that last fast break...but we've been due
I've seen it too many times. You spend a bunch of energy coming back, tie it, then you start playing stupid
Traylor is going to need some ice after this game.
Mari limping
We need some Greene
Lucas is our best option? Got the rebound
Back to the baskt bball not our friend again
found a big pair, JB
The pickpocket was the best part of that play
@Crimsonorblue22 Are you posting from AFH?
Man if I was at AFH, I wouldn't be looking at my phone posting to us!
@wissoxfan83 and praying!!
Devonte found two pair!
@Crimsonorblue22 Impressive. Last game I went to, I forgot I even had my phone with me.
She's a loyal Jayhawk and Bucketeer!!!
C u
@tundrahok said:
@Bwag Pretty impressive catch and finish by Wayne.
I agree...lucky to gt the ball to him.
@wissoxfan83 This is classic Self. Played depth in 1st half and offense was clicking - yes, complete defensive breakdown in the last minute - and now going with the guys I guess he trusts more in the 2nd half. No Mick, Diallo, Bragg or Svi - notwithstanding that they contributed to 50% FG and 3P shooting in the 1st half.
@jaybate-1.0 is OU a Nike school?
Perry needed to take that open 14 footer.
Self can't believe that he got "homered" by his own home team there.
Drive ball swatted.
Trey ball potted!
Greene?
What the hell is this offense? We've been blocked now twice on no nothing offense guards driving into the trees against a set defense
FFS, the flat rejection again, where is the kick out to a shooter?
Why on gods green earth do we always run the hold the ball for 25 seconds and drive into nothing play at the end of the game.... Ugh
So no Mick, Bragg or Diallo 2nd half?
Hunter experiencing cryogenesis
Self going inside now
Frank taking over the boards
Fascinating ball game - why I love college ball!
Perrrrrryyyyyyyyy! I cannot put into words how pumped I am for him right now. You cannot lose after Perry put forth this effort so far.
Real men score inside
I do not like our offensive calls here down the stretch. We're playing two ball, slow set O against a prolific 3 point shooting team.
...and guard
Ref's want this Nike school win.
Frank reached over his head, I think that's why they called that.
@wissoxfan83 Sure didn't look like he hit anything.
6-0 Frank is being an absolute man guarding 6-6 Hield.
Could have just let him have that rebound, but we still have life, people.
@tundrahok DOn't they call that verticality?
Well. Thats a crappy way to lose
Refs have dictated this game.
Looked like Mason was hit in the head first...Lucas came over the back then.
What I don't like is the mason drive, unless he got fouled.
@cragarhawk WE"RE STILL ALIVE!!
Mason got hit in head flagrant 1
@wissoxfan83 He did get fouled. Practically took his head off.
I refuse to lose.
@wissoxfan83 looked to me like he was fouled. But would the refs call something that obvious?
Gosh I just hate the hold the ball and drive game. Why not run some offense??
@jaybate-1.0 Agreed - but may have to switch off him in OT - has 4 fouls now.
So much for the no-call fouls in the final few seconds.
At least that horribly officiated sequence didn't cost KU the game. Higgins and Co. doing everything they can to screw KU over. Higgins has been involved in a very disproportionate number of KU's losses the past few years.
Referees have been extremely suspect today.
That's the third 5 to start a period in this game. Mick, Traylor, then Lucas in OT.
We look terrible on offense.
How the hell do you get called for screening yourself!?!?
Hield insane
Why is LL in the game?
Valentine = Hield
We're hitting a fewshots but with Lucas in there, we are just flipping ugly.
Saved by a Trey!
Surprised a ref didn't call a fould there on the TO
Anybody got a set of paddles? Need my heart jumped.
Some one send paramedics to @HighEliteMajor.
Whose out there?
time out to set up the play where mason drives the lane?
Time for springy rebounders for put back attempts.
If we lose do you think the coach's son Tyler will cry just like Freddy's kid did in Ames?
Why wait til 7 sec to call time?
No fouls on rebounds this time please
Shoot a trey
That was terrible - way too early to shoot!!!!
gotta get the ball in
Probably call the ball off LL.
Ref's looking for any reason to give it to OU
Time for a patented inbounds play for quick score and then get the flip back on D and guard the 3 line.
When they opened broadcast with this is a tournament like game, it has, including the non-linear refereeing.
How about some fresh legs, coach. Greene, Diallo... SVI?
Sorry to be "that guy" but why in the world is Brannen Greene not playing? And Mick and Bragg?
Goatta flippin hit that dunk
What an awesome game!
You gotta dunk that with authority Landen! That was weak as hell!
OU is this good that if we lose this game, the streak could be over this season. But we're not going to lose, right?
@wissoxfan83 Did Self use brilliance in his 2nd half adjustment or did he freeze up and revert to form?
Mason and Graham 4 fouls each.
My vote is he froze and reverted to form. We've hit shots, but this Offense at the end has been butt-ugly.
So is this a fixed game or what? I'm really not seeing a lot of these fouls on KU. I think we got like two Ricky tack calls in favor of us, but the LL over the back, the rebound where Traylor had his legs taken out, etc. Someone should compile some gif files for us to look at.
Whose blood were they removing from Mason's uniform?
@Crimsonorblue22 My point is that he hasn't put anyone in in 2nd half and 2 OTs - our big advantage is depth and we haven't done anything to parlay it...
Our only depth is freshmen and Self doesn't want them.
We're tired nd riding the dead horses into ground.
How about a sub Coach?
So r they
Three tries to win it with the last possession. Pretty sad.
PUT IN SOME FRESH LEGS, COACH!!!
Ffs. Kick it to wide open Wayne on the wing
Svi or greene should see a minute at least
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
So r they
But that's the point. We haven't used our depth at all. Now self is frozen and isn't trusting anyone else.
Everyone on both sides is gassed at this point. I wouldn't be opposed to Graham fouling out just to get Greene's fresh legs in. Mickelson would be a good sub now too.
And 1?
Selden 3 and 1!!! Crap.
Selden!
Hield tired, Selden not, 4 pts please.
Where are the assistant coaches. Self is playing madness here. Our guys with hands on hips, on knees and we're deep.
We're 50% on threes. Anyone remember how many we'd taken in the first half?
@wissoxfan83 14
Sub.please.Bill.
@approxinfinity Clearly not gonna happen unless someone fouls out.
We're playing with fire here...a two ball game against a 3 point team.
@wissoxfan83 14 at least.
@wissoxfan83 Yup - all drives to the paint now...
I think my chest might explode watching this game
Contact above teh neck?
Win or lose this is classic
Whose horses die first?
how is that not a foul???? Perry got pushed
Lattin should already be fouled out of this game.
Where was the over the back that time?
what a F#%^$%#& monster game by Hield. I gotta give it up to him
Will Self learn to sub more from this game?
I'm sorry, win or lose, this is a choke job by Self. Cant give him kudo's here.
Time out would have been better with the lead and either rest so we score again or get some freaking fresh legs in there and run these SOB's into the ground.
He's let them hang by not using depth.
No doubt it's a good game by Hield, but this game has been heavily influenced. It's pretty scary. Makes you wonder what you're watching.
@Texas-Hawk-10 No one has stopped Hield, why should we expect Greene to do it? He should be in the game now to put this thing away.
I don't think we have an Asst Coach on the staff with any balls.
we're playing 2 ball game against a 3 shotting team.
3-pointers: 7-14 first half, 1-4 2nd half, 11-22 for the game. Somebody asked earlier.
Lucas has been useless this OT
I wonder if Brannen will ask Self about playing time?
Hey ref you called that wrong. Mason's face hit Woodard.
No time to miss that
Interesting. Lon calls a TO with a lead to rest, and try and shore up the win.
What will Self do?
We've failed on 3 winning shots tonight, that's where we've lost this game, if we lose this game.
Free throws will be our downfall come March.
Who knows why we aren't going with fresh legs. Is it designed that way?
Self, when the horse dies, dismount.
Give Hield the Steph Curry treatment right now. Anyone but him.
Same tired legs on the floor for us.
Stats pretty even across the board now - FTs and fouls have evened up. Big difference is 10 more 3Ps attempted by OU - both made 50%.
BULLDOG, sic-em!!!
Bulldog
My Hero , Zero!
Said to my son before the in bounds, " a steal would be nice" I swear I said, you can ask him
Frank Fn Mason!
Should we foul?yes
Fresh legs for Defense now?
Give our guards props. No TOs by DG in 35 minutes after half time. 7 RBs each.
Anyone remember our last triple OT?
maybe not.
Oh my sweet baby lord
@wissoxfan83 Remember we lost one such game in '57.
WOW! WOW! WOW!!! Time for a drink.
WILLTAKE IT...was very frustrating how it was coached down the stretch...obviously the players won it.
Instant classic
Sorry, Perry played well enough, but I think Heild was the player of the game
Frank Mason played with 4 fouls for a long time and was awesome on defense.
I remember a KU - K State game that went four OTs. In a Big 8 holiday tournament
Sorry Mush-mouth, the last real classic was the last game against Fizzoo.
That close out by Frank on last play was the exact same thing he did earlier and was called for foul. Bill must have made nice nice with the refs. I guess after 3 hours he grows on ya.
@approxinfinity lol. Nice
wow....just amazing.....
@approxinfinity got his money's worth from the T I guess.
hats off to ou ...they were really great....
Hield is the real deal.
Greatest college basketball game I have ever seen! The Syracuse-UConn Big East tournament 7OT game has been supplanted
@Texas-Hawk-10 I'd take both our '88 and '08 Championship games over this...same sort of drama, even bigger stakes.
Game was never in doubt😜
Damn, set the tivo to record an extra hour and it cutoff during the TO at 8 sec left in last OT.
ok...how am i supposed to go to bed after that?..i'm still in shock..
Buddy's interview on espn now. Hats off. Great player and class act. Lotsa respect for our team, building, and crowd
@cragarhawk Saw that too. Great kid. I take back my punchable face comment.
@Texas-Hawk-10 not a bad idea....lol.
@cragarhawk KU fans showing class by giving Buddy a hand after his interview on ESPN.
I haven't seen a loss yet at afh!
@Crimsonorblue22 good job, crimson!
@Crimsonorblue22 Glad you were there and didn't storm the court!
@Crimsonorblue22 i have....on more than several occasions...
@brooksmd said:
@cragarhawk KU fans showing class by giving Buddy a hand after his interview on ESPN.
K-State fan after that game gets tazed... bro.
SVP giving KU lots of love
@Crimsonorblue22 I haven't either! Keep it going
That game wore me out.
Now all we have to do is go to Norman and win again. POC, right?
Gotta worry about the tough road games ahead right now. No time to celebrate
No Please let us celebrate. KU, Coach and fans deserve it.
I saw my share of losses in the Ted Owens era... but then saw my share of victories in the Brown and Williams eras... I have not seen a game in the Phog in the Self era, but I think the odds would have been in my favor!
That game when Peeler ripped off 43 I recall clearly. He was insane. But we won :-)
This is my favorite game since the final KU v MU game.
ROCK F'NG CHALK. What a game. I don' t even know what to say after that except Good Night All.
@brooksmd I saw them lose numerous games with Ted Owens. I watched misery clinch the Big 8 championship on our floor back in 1994??? I watched a valiant undermanned KU team that was 15-14 almost beat the 2nd ranked Mildcats at the Phog...I've also seen them kick ass as well...
@RockChalkinTexas I know what to say. Bartender, drinks on me!
They hit...16 3 pointers...and LOST....
@RockChalkinTexas breakfast of champions...
Self letting em loose! They gonna be at all the "good" spots tonight. Jayhawks PR team needs to be out in full force to prevent all the nefarious BS we'd expect after a game like this.
If I were in Lawrence, meet me at the freaking Replay for some cheap beer and head banging!
This was the most impressed I've been by an opponent since Durant.
Congratulations B. Hield! The dude totally earned my respect with a special performance in a game for the ages.
@RockChalkinTexas CR 75th on the rocks?
It was my rally cap I put on at the start of 3rd OT that did the trick I'll have you know.
I don't do the game chat thing - I'm not coordinated enough to watch and type at the same time. But I just wanted to chime in and say this:
I'm kind of a KU fan. For about the last 52 years. I've taped (yes, taped) games for years, now I DVR them. I've listened to Max and Bob on the radio when I lived far, far away and there was no such thing as cable TV, ESPN, the Internet or any other form of media except to listen to the radio. I've watched us win two National Championships (on TV, I'm not rich) and I have NEVER been as emotional about a game as I was tonight. When the game was over I literally had tears streaming down my face. I don't really even know why. But it was one hell of a game and I have incredible respect for Buddy Hield. The guy is phenomenal and he seems to be a humble, level-headed kid. Wish he was a Jayhawk.
Interesting thinking about losses I've seen in AFH... With the help of Google I've seen 3. Long Beach State and Oklahoma in 1992-3. Temple in 1993-4
My post game thoughts:
Bill Self likes to play with matches, not match-ups, but fire.
He has a deep team, they have a shallow team: Bill shortens his bench and rides the horses he has out there till they nearly collapse and die
He plays a 2-ball game late against a 3 point shooting juggernaut. (maybe counting on their tired legs)
Last year the 3 ball is golden for us and we get "fools gold". This year, two pg guard offense is tearing up the assist to TO ratio stats and he asks them to get a little wilder with the ball...and they do (at least for a half-ended up with 14 TO's so we did tighten it back up later in the game)
Also, I'm not sure if our Assistant Coaches have any balls to stand up to Self and talk some sense to him, or...what?
So Bill is a gambling man, not necessarily do-anything-to-win, but gamble in the way that an older brother teases a little brother to the point of total rage...stiff arming him to keep the windmill punches from connecting, hoping that little brother doesn't pick up something deadly and in rage, throw, shoot, or lauch a fatal missle at him.
Our offense got stale late and reverted to "I don't know what to call it" but we kept hitting some shots, and also seeing for the most part our back to the basket game get stuffed back in our faces and our drive to the hole against a set defense as well. But the players hit enough shots to win, enough rebounds to win.
Definitely take the win, excited, but like a coach looks for coachable points after a win as well as a loss, I'm interested what Coach takes away from his performance in this game.
instant classic, just saw they are replaying the game on espnu at 2am
Watched the game with friends and even one of them who is a big MU fan indicated that is was one of the worse refereed games he had seen, The foul call on Mason at the end of the first half was egregiously bad; Mason would have had a clear path to the basket and KU would have led at the half by 1 or 2, instead KU was give n T and OU led by 4...that is a big swing....and that was not even the worst call...oh well...
I read somewhere that Higgins was the ref in at least 5 of the previous 9 loses at AFH...makes you go hhhhmm...
@JayHawkFanToo Yes, the officiating was sickening. Not surprised about Higgins - he has earned a reputation as being a dip.
@Jayrawks1 Great. I can get the last 8 sec I missed when tivo shutoff.
@JayHawkFanToo Not even just AFH. He reffed the MSU game this year, and at least 80% of KU's losses the past 2+ years. Whenever I hear Higgins is doing a KU game, I assume KU is going to have several really bad calls against them that game and today was no different.
I wonder if KU can file a complain and quietly request that he does not officiate any KU games in the future....you would think that KU has enough clout to at least get him reprimanded.
@Texas-Hawk-10 There seems to be a trend.
Can't believe all the coverage of the game on SportsCenter tonite. Must've been a slow nite on the east coast.
Geez, it's been a year since Stuart Scott died. ESPN lost a great guy that day.
@nuleafjhawk 🙏💙❤️🏀
@nuleafjhawk I actually went into another room and just watched most of the second half.
@Crimsonorblue22 Before you ask, POC = Piece Of Cake
@Crimsonorblue22 When you be back home?
To paraphrase the late Jerry Tarkanian...
The refs were so upset they missed the call when the OU player whacked Mason on the head at the end or regulation that they decide to call a foul on Lucas instead...just to make themselves feel better
@Crimsonorblue22 Who ya takin'?
@Crimsonorblue22 My nephew might be interested if you don't find anybody. He lives in Topeka.
@Crimsonorblue22 I wanna go! lol
Can't get this video to post any ideas?
@Crimsonorblue22 only videos I've ever posted were youtube.
So the ESPN talking heads make a big deal out of Mason guarding the inbounds too close and not being called. Not much if anything said about Mason's drive where somebody practically took his head off but the ref's only thought LL was too rough on the resulting rebound.
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@Bwag probably you guys don't want to hear this, but I wouldn't have subbed either. There's nobody on our bench I would have trusted. Great game, OU is a really seasoned ball club.
If we'd lost, same take?
There were some times we lost possessions due to being so tired. Granted they were tired too and gave us back some of those, but I think that kept the game closer than it may have needed to be.
@Bwag So to sum up what your saying in all of your post is that some of our players are good, but we have a poor coach that makes bad decisions in every game. Didn't you enjoy even part of this game as a Jayhawk? Is celebration and happiness not in your make up? When we lose a game this year, then you can eloquently wax your superior doom and gloom view and say "See how stupid Bill Self is." If and when we finally do win a NC, then we will be unbelievably lucky, or Self started listening to you. When a happy moment comes in your life, enjoy it.
Big 12 Highlights.
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@wrwlumpy Not at all. I appreciate the adjustments that have been made. I'm celebrating, really I am. I know I'm not a coach and wouldn't try to go X & O's with anyone on this site, let alone a Hall of Fame coach. I've never called Coach Self stupid - your word - not mine. I'm hoping we don't lose another game all year. I think we have the horses that we could dominate. And lastly, I appreciate the give and take on the site.
It's just observation and if one or two shots don't go for us, we'd be shaking our heads without a smile on our faces, and saying, "It was a great game though". Check out @jessenewell's Tweet: 🐦 View Tweet
Worst performance in last 7 games at a PPP look. That is what I saw with my eyes and what I meant by "stale".
Believe me, I'm enjoying the ride. I come here to read, learn, and post my observations. Arm chair QB like most of the rest of the sporting world does.
@Crimsonorblue22 Jamari played very strong.
Points Per Possession (PPP)
Points per possession is calculated based off the following formula and is how we determine the number of possessions based on the data we have. The formula used is points scored divided by (FGA - OREBs) + TO + (Y * FTA), where FGA = field goal attempts, OREB = offensive rebounds, TO = turnovers, Y = .44, and FTA = free throw attempts.
What is Y? In the ideal situation, if every trip to the line resulted in two free throws, then we could multiply free throws by .5. However, technical fouls, "and one" situations, missing the front end of a 1 and 1, and shooting 3 shots resulting from a 3-point attempt all deviate from the ideal situation. Research has shown that .44 is most accurate number we can use for Y.
@brooksmd Certainly possible but only makes my point, we left some horses in the barn and potentially (!) made the game closer than it needed to be. That is my only point.
Certainly it's Self's team to win or lose and play it how he wants and thinks best. I'm 0-0 in my coaching.
@brooksmd I can go there to a point, what I can't put my finger on is if that helps our offensive flow or production more. Personally, I think it does.
Lucas shouldn't have and wasn't apparently particularly worn out since his playing time mostly came in the last part of the game.
Where I'm not sure if if some spot substitutions for rest might have helped us at the other positions might have helped with our key folks overall productivity.