Let's go carve up some zone.
@globaljaybird I know right - its a joke. The KU Baylor game is much bigger than a couple of teams that are middle of the pack in the ACC. Try first row sports
NC State has too much talent to be as bad as they are. Bad coaching I guess.
Anyone else having trouble with the ESPN app opening up?
@HawkChamp The pricks block the app down here in southern misery. Crock of :shit:
@globaljaybird I found an above the rim thingy on watchespn that is streaming it.
Miraculously, espn app worked for me tonight.
Baylor in foot shooting mode already
Devonte STRAIGHT FIRE
Maybe Lucas needs to just flop when those guys plow into him
Yeah Motley will be an issue.
um, our ball?
Now KU in foot shooting mode
JJ with a nice bounce pass to a cheerleader
We've got two live threads going on. Beddie already had one going
sounds like we're on the big screen now
If Motley is hitting threes he really can't be guarded.
He was 6-18 on the year coming in lol.
Let's get a rebound.
@tundrahok box out
Good of them to put up the Bill owns Bayl0re stat.
Ah I figured that was pregame so I made this one.
Blabbermouth says Wooden had 13 in a row. So much for knowledge.
McClure, Freeman and Wainwright. Baylor has a hell of a team of guys KU backed off of.
Coleby with that old man D
Go jj
Slugfest atm
Need more guys to board up
Don't think Bragg is there
@Crimsonorblue22 Not even on the bench?
Need the game to start speeding up. We are faster than Baylor.
@tundrahok friend at game didn't see him
Espn would be all over him
Yeah him and Newman are not there apparently.
Newman should be there
Allegedly he isn't.
Last I read. He might be there by now.
Lightfoot time
Guys trying to make too many passes. Going to have to take shots
Come on Vick. Cost us two points!
Lucas and Lightfoot you know Self is pissed about the rebounding.
3?
Jackson!!!!!!!!!!
3!
Ll shoot it
Frank has been struggling shooting the 3
Mason is getting pissed. That's good
That scrawny Lindsay girls name dude better not be scoring
Need to run
Imagine if we were playing good.
Jackson's 3 point shot looks solid tonight
Bout 10 walks they missed
Last few games have been nice for him. Hopefully it is something that continues.
@BeddieKU23 So does his FT shooting
We need to speed the game up, but at the same time we also need to be able to win games when it is a half court game. Not every game is going to be up and down.
dualing game threads?
Mason needs to get involved in the offense he's deferring too much so far
@HawkChamp said:
We need to speed the game up, but at the same time we also need to be able to win games when it is a half court game. Not every game is going to be up and down.
I hope we don't run into some putrid slow paced MVC team in the tourney.
@BeddieKU23 Svi too
Got to use the shot fake. So undervalued
Lucas can't even make a layup
Other thread sucked
@HawkChamp said:
Got to use the shot fake. So undervalued
Oh Josh could have shot it. Poor shot leads to that 3 ugh
we've only committed 1 foul so far.
oww that 3 pt hurt
Got to get the ball in the middle
Did we forget to tip the refs?
The ball is stuck on offense
how was that a jump ball?
Why do we have two threads going on?
Whatever
Why aren't we getting the ball in the middle?
Whatever don't guard
We've seen this by Baylor before
7 footer making a three gawd damn
Got to make open shots!!!
KU not hitting the three. Bolds well for the second half. :thumbsup:
@BeddieKU23 Baylor is still similar personnel wise compared to last year.
Can't stand when a team acts cocky like Baylor is being when they haven't even won a conference title in like forever.
@BeddieKU23 every time they come to afh, get a ten point lead and fold like a cheap lawn chair
Hopefully, we will go on a run soon!
Looked up Josh Jackson in the Dictionary. I guess he's a stud. :satisfied:
We have to keep getting the ball in the middle.
I'm not very smart, but making some threes will bust that zone, right?
Devonte!!!!!!
Graham crackers.
JOSH!!!!!!!!!!!
What did I say JJ is a stud.
That was really a lucas assist
Bad foul by Landen. Got to force Motley into a tough shot over the top.
Just terrible
Wow Josh! Time for him to get into the player of the year conversation.
Don't worry KU nation. KU is going to get it going.
Embarrassing
Lol nice rebounding
How do you let a guy just go right down the middle?
@HawkChamp I bet that's the last time that happens all year
Josh Jackson the only guy to come play
Baylor unbeatable. LOL
Man, what a block by jj
Well, for as bad as this looks, hopefully we could go down five or six at half.
POY
POY
Mason = money.
Nice move by Frank. Down six. Could have been much worse.
Down 6
Way to close the half Frank!
Well, 6 is better than 8...
1st made basket by POY!
It only took mason 20 minutes to figure it out
Man. We just got stupid with the ball. Can't lose focus just b/c we were getting out rebounded. Also, Landen.. Use the damn white square.. see Josh flying at the rim and throwing bullets against the backboard that go in? WHITE SQUARE.
Who cares KU is down six. They couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in this first half, and is only 6 down. Geez
@BeddieKU23 but hey, better later than never
I'm fully expecting Bill to come out and pants Scott Drew in front of 16,3
The shots are going to fall in the second half.
JJ basically has half our points, rebounds and blocks....We're gonna need the rest of the guys to contribute at least smidgen in the second half...
Does LL lead the league in missed layups?
@cragarhawk An excellent question.
This is good for our guys and will help us in the tournament. Baylor has almost unmatched length and they are skilled as well. Unlike in previous years, Baylor and West Virginia started strong and stayed strong and are legitimate top ten teams. This will be beneficial for us.
@approxinfinity Lucas was 6-6 against Kentucky
I missed the earlier chat. Were you guys tearing Svi a new one? Dude needs to stop being so damn timid. Where's Big Shot Svi from last game? People were getting double teamed, getting it over the top to Svi so should have been 4 on 3 and Svi looked lost with the ball, let them recover.
@approxinfinity I agree, our guards were passing up numerous shots they could have taken.
Could come out with the press just like Bill did against Nova last year.
@approxinfinity stats do tend to even out!
We also need to do a better job on the ball screens and dribble penetration. That has put us in some tough spots and led to Baylor scores.
L. Lucas F 0-2 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 0 0 0 0 2 0
F. Mason III G 1-6 0-2 2-2 0 1 1 3 1 0 1 0 4
D. Graham G 3-7 2-5 0-0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 8
S. Mykhailiuk G 1-1 1-1 0-0 0 1 1 1 0 0 2 0 3
J. Jackson G 5-8 1-2 2-2 4 3 7 0 0 2 2 0 13
M. Lightfoot F 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0
D. Coleby F 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 1 2 0 0 1 1 0 0
L. Vick G 0-2 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Team. 10-27 4-11 4-4 6 10 16 5 2 4 8 3 28
37.0% 36.4% 100.0%
OH the Ukraine assassin is about to show up. He always starts off slow. :kissing_heart:
Somehow still not worried. Scott Drew is still coaching a game in Lawrence.
If the law of averages prevails. FM will now be taking over this game
@joeloveshawks yeah, but his players are very good and can take guys one on one very effectively.
Too many TOs. We'll be penetrating more and getting the ball to Josh in the center of the zone.in the 2nd half.
Baylor's offense has run some nice plays. Jackson is losing his man on the switches.
@HawkChamp I'm impressed with Baylor and they are an awesome team but I have faith that Scott Drew will screw this up.
There's something about this baylor team that's got me a weeeee bit nervous. They're scaring me a bit.
@joeloveshawks I expect it
@joeloveshawks said:
Somehow still not worried. Scott Drew is still coaching a game in Lawrence.
So, he has gotten a lot of deserved criticism, so let's also give credit where it's due. He has no Mickey D's and he has the 2nd ranked team in the country. And, in contrast to a few years ago, it's not on the back of a lot of directional state schools. This is the most solid, balanced Baylor team I've seen.
We can come back and win this, but I like this Baylor team...
Baylor got their game in the first half. KU gets the second half.
Here we go
Good moves here to start
Good start.
Good start except giving up an easy layup
Ksu lost
Good aggressiveness. Keep it coming
Good job Josh. Please no more blind spin moves this half. When you're seeing the basket you're deadly.
Baylor players already arguing with each other?
Baylor/Drew burning a timeout. :bowtie:
@Crimsonorblue22 ahhhhhhh funny!
If they were playing cribbage. KU has stolen the crib.
Time to ratchet up that D
@globaljaybird and go!ππΎππΎππΎ
@globaljaybird yes. They need to keep forcing the issue in transition.
Weird commercial
SZ piece ofπ©
SVI!!!!!!!
Sviiiiiii
svi
Sviit
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
Ksu lost
I know some of the early brackets still have the B12 with half a dozen teams, but it isn't inconceivable that we end up with only 3 - no one else is making much of a case other than KU, Baylor and WVU...
Landen boxing out better. Good good good.
Great box out by landen. Forced the foul on Acuil
YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!
Go
svi
@Crimsonorblue22 Where are ya - AFH?
And to think Mason hasn't even got going yet. I say YET.
Great team rebounding so far
@Bwag said:
@approxinfinity said:
@DoubleDD You were right! Hot damn!
Gotta sustain.
There's the rub - can we do that??? Haven't until now - maybe this is the time...
Our starters outscored our bench 39-0
Well okay, at least you got your moneys worth on that one Landen.
MASON!!!!!!
Mason warming up
Coleby with the ground control! Blocks shots, rebounds and fouls flatfooted with the best of them!
POY
13-0 run. Nice
We don't need no stinkn bigsπ³
Keep running
No we need bigs. LoL but I feel ya. :+1:
@globaljaybird I would be mortified. Kid has a soul.
DUNK THE BALL COLEBY!!!
Wow bad call for some home cooking.
We do not get calls at home
@HawkChamp said:
DUNK THE BALL COLEBY!!!
Actually not sure he can get up to the rim with the bum knee....
Coleby's offense is offensive. He makes Lucas look like Moses Malone
At the half, Baylor was at 42.9% FG% we were 37%. Now they're at 39.5% and were at 40.0%
I stand twice corrected!
Coleby looks really solid on D!! Needs to shake off some rust on offense!
REFS SUUUUUUCK
@KansasComet I'm liking what I'm seeing of Coleby. I think he compliments our perimeter well. Not flashy, but solid.
@joeloveshawks I like him to and how he is playing, but his misses are frustrating.
Chip!
BU can't have 4 and KU 1 foul. Refs have correct that
Maybe Sherron will move to Lawrence, replace Snacks and start recruiting Chicago.
Coleby again soft with the ball. Come on!!!
So, about the sustaining thing.....
We are the best at blowing momentum
Lindsey might get s career high in fouls
That foul call on Jackson was just terrible
@HawkChamp just needs some more game time reps.
Need a push here, right now.
Good move by Mitch
Charge.
They have 16! friggin' offensive boards - that's offensive...
Name one positive thing vick has done tonight?
Ltπ
ML just not strong enough
@BeddieKU23 nothing he's shell shocked and out of it from that story, it appears.
BU all over the back
Ltπ
@truehawk93 got to put your butt on them
Another crap call
oh man what an awful call, foul on jackson.
So, Mitch has scored infinitely more points than LL this game so far....
can we get a miss?
Mitch can handle the P & R Yeah!
nice play ML
Well, Landen was boxing out. The offensive reb parade has started again.
MITCH!!!!!!!
@approxinfinity Can't rely on JJ batting the ball out of people's hands for rebounds.
Refs keeping BU in this game
Nice try Wainwright
Mitch is kicking some ass
@approxinfinity agreed
You have to play with what you got.
DEVONTE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huge
graham crackers
There's a bump push
Yes Graham!
Dang
Vick is literally useless tonight
I hate that pass
Huge 3 by graham
Blown call. Didn't come down with ball.
We all thought it was going out BUT IT DIDNT.
I just don't understand how self is playing vick tonight he's not even trying!!!
@BeddieKU23 said:
Vick is literally useless tonight
Ugh. Don't want him out there but only 5 perimeter guys so he has to steal minutes here and there. Down the stretch I think Self keeps him out.
Bodies, He has no choice.
JJ had a nice little jumper available there or a chance to create one on one. Poor decision.
Newman is tweeting about this game almost nonstop so he is watching if he isn't there.
Coleby was the first sub off the bench tonight, before Vick. Unusual. Self may have sensed something was up with Vick.
great play by BU's 6th man....Refs....they are terrible and not calling fouls on offensive end. They are fouling KU when the ball goes into the lane.. NO CALL
If we could you know not piss away a lead. That'd be great.
Finally vick
great rebound by Vick and Josh hits a three!!!!!!!!
Totally useless rebound and assist by Vick!
Is there any thing JJ can't do?
JJ is gonna play at the next level I'm predicting
@KansasComet sometimes, speaking too soon is a thing
Oh my
Lucas man!!!
Bad body language
at least he was listening and responded
LL is off his game. :disappointed:
@HawkChamp Just having fun with it.
Yeah, JJ has fixed his shot. Clearly been cleaning up his form. Pretty amazing midseason. Think he has the get better gene like Embiid.
@KansasComet I;m agreeing with you
Lucas has been hammered all night
thank you finally get a call on d end
baylor cheap fouls
Well he wasn't hammered on that 8 footer
Vick and Lucas shots? Those will kill momentum.
Wow refs finally called a foul on Baylor.
lol @drgnslayr Josh doesn't mind selling fouls.
There's the drew we know
Vick would have had a wide open shot if he shot faked
Just when you start to believe
@BeddieKU23 wait man, wait for the dessert.
Good D
So long
got to hit FTs
Bye bye jake
About time for some BIFM
π€£πππππ
It better be good
A game like this is really exposing our thin bench. There's just no one to really turn to.
THANK YOU
@BeddieKU23 said:
Bye bye jake
Let's ratchet up the D some more. He is basically their only PG. Lecomte is kinda combo/sg.
@BeddieKU23 I predict a couple clutch plays by Vick. Looks like he just woke up, bailed out Svi on a baseline trap
FTs huge down the home stretch
@BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 said:
Bye bye jake
Let's ratchet up the D some more. He is basically their only PG. Lecomte is kinda combo/sg.
Lacomte is pissing me off
@BeddieKU23 ditto on girly name
Has a guard other then lecomte scored
Gonna turn into a ft contest here let's go boys.
How many fouls does Mason have? He needs to foul Lecomte HARD and make it a non-flagrant, put that kid on his azz. He needs to get into his head.
If Coleby could hang on to the ball, he will continue to provide good minutes
@BeddieKU23 Freeman and Lindsey each have a bucket.
Scott drew up some plays. LOL
That bucket looks big for Frank on FTs. good sign.
Joke
@BeddieKU23 good try landen.
Walk
Svi is killing us
We need some buckets
Svi gotta make that
We wouldn't be in this game if not for SVI
Very close call there
How's that not flagrant
Josh is #theforgiveness. steals after uncharacteristic frank unforced TO.... tip dunks on a horrible brick by Landen.
soccer official would have yelled no advantage, play on.
@BeddieKU23 it's intentional & should be called as such
cheap fouls by BU...Drew style bball
@BeddieKU23 said:
Joke
Assuming this is about the Wainwright three. Yeah if we are gonna lose to crap like that w/e,
They give 2 for that bank shot by wainright
KU against the world. I'm taking KU
KU hasn't hit a shot in almost 5 minutes.
Great move by Jackson
Walk walk walk
Let's get 5 on Wainwright
Shit
@Crimsonorblue22 Now now...
Not a foul
Dog house for you lol
LOOK AT LANDEN!!!!!!!!!
Lucas! Right on man.
counted 2-3 fouls on that last play by BU
No
@truehawk93 lotta contact
and that guy's feet werent out of bounds?
JJ!!!
@HawkChamp said:
LOOK AT LANDEN!!!!!!!!!
Okay - not really a strong move. It was no better than 50-50 as to whether the shot would be blocked, he would lose possession, or miss the lay-up...
@truehawk93 We've been getting a lot of calls in my opinion. 18-10 foul count.
We are standing around....
Replay. Didn't look like a kicked ball
always guard a manu.
JJ
Guess I'll be standing for the rest of this
Mason time
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
FRANK!!!!!!!
P.
O.
Y.
POY
CANT GO UNDER ON A SCREEN WITH MASON
Way to be physical Landen.
Are we doing Triangle and 2?
MASON
I hate wainwright
However this game turns out, I'm impressed by Baylor....
Have to take a good shot this trip
Have to get out of the zone
Thought that was out of bounds on lucas, but watched the replay slowly and refs got it right.
Impressed? I've seen nothing but sloppy dumb luck play
@BeddieKU23 that zone has taken Motley out of the game
@truehawk93 You sure you been watching?
@globaljaybird said:
And they have also made 4 straight 3s
JOSH!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta go man they getting too many open 3s
Woowww
FLUSH !!!!
Wow. JJ is a junkyard dog.
I think if I was a Baylor fan, I'd be hacked at the refs right now. We've gotten a lot of calls.
Drew has told his team to foul Mason everytime.
Not having a steady ball handler in Lindsey hurt baylor there....
Josh is seeing steps ahead. Knew they would bite on pump fake and already planned out his attack to rim.
POY
FTs HUGE in this game
LOOK AT LANDEN GO!!!!!!!!!!
Lucas is the craken.
LL !
NO no no .....good shot!
Nice Landen! Big buckets.
Oh holy crap... 2 banked 3's. GMAFB!
@HawkChamp That one was solid!
Go pound sand lecomte
He was fouled
Foot is on the line?
Frank got away with one. Please be more careful next time
Lucky π Not a foul
LUCKY CRAP
Still doesn't make up for 6 walks
SEE THE STUPID FLOP AT THE END? No touch
@truehawk93 U called it
Usual commentary on these threads is KU gets hosed by the refs at home and away. Well, this game at least, we've gotten a lot of calls....
@globaljaybird said:
Lucky π Not a foul
Lucky it wasn't called. Think it was acting. Refs must have too
Lol of course throw it down low to Lucas. Works every time
Come on Josh, know your audience.
Got lucky
Svi to ice the game.
This is it...
BAYLOR DOING BAYLOR THINGS STOP THE PRESSES
awwwwwww fffffff
@approxinfinity said:
Come on Josh, know your audience.
Yeah, throwing it into "hands" Lucas in traffic in that situation, not smart
Great defense at the end!!!
Nice pressure D
D wins games
KU wins with with with with with DEFENSE
can we not get a break at the line?
D!
@jayballer54 ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY JUMPIN JEE HOSSA FATSS
SPELL WIN DAMNIT !!!
YES
Um what were you guys saying about SVI ???
IMPRESSED? HELL NO
Great win - but, to be clear, we've just held serve. They will get their chance in Waco. Until one loses a game on the road the other doesn't, then we're still effectively tied....
Faylor is so predictable
I'm impressed with my HAWKS all night baby

@truehawk93 #2 team in the country with basically 5 players. I'm impressed.
Sorry Drew...AFH owns you my friend
Mason. What a stud. Unbelievable.
Woo hoo bifm
ICE
@approxinfinity ICE ICE Baby
@truehawk93 Snott successfully out coached once again...had a TO & didn't use it-LOLOLOL!!!
Baylor covered
Tell em Frankie
We hate Fran Fraschilla right?
Fran Fraschilla β@franfraschilla 1m1 minute ago
Anybody who has coached knows that there are some places that you just have to be 10 points better than the home team.
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MASON IS FREAKIN STUD....POY POY POY
Mason was bad at the ft line at UK finishes 12 of 12 tonight what a job.
So ESPN leads with a story about a game between two unranked teams.....from the east coast....... while #2 and #3 play.
Gawd....Vick was not in this game at all. Poor kid, hope his little debacle is straightened out.
Scott Drew told his players to foul Mason. UM dumb a$$
@truehawk93 said:
Gawd....Vick was not in this game at all. Poor kid
Yeah, 2 points from the bench - and that was Mitch...
So yeah back to Fran's little pissy comment for a second. Maybe just maybe it's because guards like Lindsey and Wainright aren't super quick laterally that they would pick up fouls on guys like Mason and Josh? Hmmm nah conspiracy sounds better.
Josh - back to back FOY performances.
Colby with 6 RB's.
Needs to still be stronger with the ball, but....
ESPN announcer, it's not called Phog Allen Field House!!!
@truehawk93 said:
@BShark I muted the damn thing. I can't stand the analysts. They seem to be willing KU to lose and lose at home too.
I miss being able to go to Bob.
I'm mostly going to miss the Saturday game. Try to stay positive would ya??
@truehawk93 said:
@wrwlumpy Yep that kid is peeking and growing each game and it started with UK. Bring it Josh
Josh is on another level the past three games and we have needed it for sure.
Once again the guys have that will to win attitude.
LOVE IT
Holly interviewing JJ - good kid - says the right things. And, he's a dog!!!
That was a much tougher Faylor team than we've seen. We did a great job of taking the game away from them. We really have a tough minded team- JJ, Frank, and Devonte are simply incredible. This is a real good team.
I'm tempted to post that image again....y'all know the one....
I wonder if Chip Gaines' appearance will make it to Fixer Upper?
Here's all I have to say about Josh Jackson. Big time players make big time plays in big time games.
@globaljaybird This calls for some CR.
@Crimsonorblue22 Holly looking like her recovery going well. Have you heard anything on how she's doing?
@truehawk93 so i'm confused by what they said about longest front court in the nation... they counted wainright as front court. Isn't SF considered backcourt?
In crunch time, our veterans delivered. For all the crap he received during the game, Landen played great down the stretch. Great win against a legit top ten team
Josh has a will to win. I have a feeling that once someone tracks his +/- when on court it's going to be unreal.
Masterpiece.
23-8 pts off to's from drew on post game
Foul disparity was huge in our favor 10-21. I'd have to go back and watch closer as many of the few fouls thought were garbage on us.
Off point, but ESPN reporter is saying that Cavaliers are looking at Mario...
Rock Chalk Babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
Josh is more exciting to watch than Embiid was at Kansas. I did not think I'd be saying that any time soon after Embiid.
@kjayhawks I tried Upvoting your post and ...well Idk what happened. Sorry
If someone told me 2-1 out of these three I'd def have said yes.
To's
23-8 pts off to's
Better points in the paint the second half. Didn't settle for outside shots.
@approxinfinity said:
@truehawk93 so i'm confused by what they said about longest front court in the nation... they counted wainright as front court. Isn't SF considered backcourt?
In the olden days (my youth), when teams played 2 guards, 2 forwards, and a center, I think the guards were the back court and the center and two forwards were considered front court.
@Crimsonorblue22 Yanking your chain, CB....
@approxinfinity Embiid was cut short when he started really putting it together...as far as I can remember
OH that's a tough call. To be fair Embiid got hurt. It's a bit of a game changer. I love JJ he's a junkyard dog. However I'm thinking Embiid might be one for the ages if he can stay healthy. I know I'm getting off track a bit. But hey I've been drinking and feeling good. My point is if the loin killer doesn't get hurt who knows how that season turns out. Agree ???
@Crimsonorblue22 My bad - won't happen again...
@approxinfinity I would add Wiggins as well. Josh can score so many ways. That baseline drive wasn't freshman like. He has definitely increased his stock in the NBA.
Wow I'm just now watching game been playing old mans league at the rec.
Checked box score and see we shot 21 more ft and we're whistled 11 less times. That seems like we totally got the AFH WHISTLE.
Also
2w 1L in this last 3 games stretch is acceptable.
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@DCHawker I'm good! I don't get to mad!
I dunno - I don't want some of your verbal broadsides coming my way... :smiley:
@RockChalkinTexas That baseline drive reminded me of another KU great. Paul Pierce almost lived off that type of drive at KU.
Think Bragg will play sat? I say yes
π©they ππππππall over AFH
I promise you Drew told his team to foul Mason. How did that work out? The cat can recruit, he just can't x and O it. I posted this in another topic. Is there coach that has done less with the talent Drew has recruited? If I was him I would swallow my pride and attend a Coach Self camp. He could learn something, and make him millions.
DG and frank eating during interview
I think chips, crunching
@globaljaybird Do you have a book that you pull this stuff out of?
@globaljaybird that's some tall π©
@Crimsonorblue22 Don't encourage him. :wink:
Self really only plays Lightfoot when he is mad at this point.
Poor coleby! Not blocking out on that throw was a killer
@DoubleDD said:
I promise you Drew told his team to foul Mason. How did that work out? The cat can recruit, he just can't x and O it. I posted this in another topic. Is there coach that has done less with the talent Drew has recruited? If I was him I would swallow my pride and attend a Coach Self camp. He could learn something, and make him millions.
Not going to claim that he is a great or even very good Xs and Os coach, but what talent? Does he have anyone on this team that was a top 50 ranked player coming in? I'm asking as I don't know, but my guess would be no. Regardless, much less talent than KU, AZ, UNC, Duke, UK and probably many other teams. He's gotten pretty good results out of this bunch and they won 20 six years in a row and made an E8. So, IMO, he doesn't deserve all the flack he gets....
Ll was not much help first half, hopefully him and Bragg will help us out down there!
The second half is the prime example of why Scott Drew is a turd. Motley was great in the first, drew LLs third foul early in the second only to touch the ball about 3 more times all night, while the rest of the bears jacked up 3s. Lol I could out coach Scott Drew.
Kinda wondering where the green guy went. Kinda scared me!
@Crimsonorblue22 i liked how the guys went to him and he delivered in the clutch. He can be our version of Ochefu - it's all between his ears.
@HawkChamp free throws too
@Crimsonorblue22 true dat
Selfs talking about never having a team bank 3 3's before.
Selfs happy w/d last 3 mins
Well, now we know Bill is going to use the zone more and more. It really took away Baylors inside game. That was Nova like.
@Crimsonorblue22 he definitely should be. Our guys know how to finish.
Either way you slice it, this ain't your big brother's Baylor Bears. These guys are tougher. They DID benefit from some horrible-looking bank threes, but we also benefited from some bad calls. Props to them tonight. It's a two-horse race. If we can figure a way to beat them on the road, that should at least seal a share for us.
I noticed afterwards that Self was slightly more cordial to Drew afterwards. Playing Drew's zone probably bridges the gap a bit between the two in Self's mind.
@kjayhawks said:
The second half is the prime example of why Scott Drew is a turd. Motley was great in the first, drew LLs third foul early in the second only to touch the ball about 3 more times all night, while the rest of the bears jacked up 3s. Lol I could out coach Scott Drew.
Part of this was brilliance from Self changing defenses and point of emphasis.
@DCHawker said:
Not going to claim that he is a great or even very good Xs and Os coach, but what talent? Does he have anyone on this team that was a top 50 ranked player coming in? I'm asking as I don't know, but my guess would be no. Regardless, much less talent than KU, AZ, UNC, Duke, UK and probably many other teams. He's gotten pretty good results out of this bunch and they won 20 six years in a row and made an E8. So, IMO, he doesn't deserve all the flack he gets....
Agree. I'm not a huge fan of Drew but the job he has done with this team is tremendous. As I mentioned earlier in the thread he has three players that would very likely be at KU if KU didn't basically pass on them in Freeman, Wainright and McClure. Well, Freeman and McClure could have easily been Jayhawks, not sure KU ever showed much interest in Wainright.
So let's look at what Drew has on this team. Lucas type of ranking PG in Lindsey, fringe top 75 kid McClure (fell off late after starting higher in rankings), fringe top 300 Maston, JUCO scrub Omat, JUCO , NR JUCO Acuil, Top 150 Motley, and top 75 guards Wainright and Freeman both of whom slumped in the rankings iirc. Drew had this team on the precipice of being the #1 team in the country and was #1 earlier. Hell of a job.
Edit I forgot Lecomte, TOP 300 GUARD coming out of hs.
Night all. See U Saturday for the clones. KSUcks lost tonight to TCU! UT barely beat Tech.
To all the other Big 12 teams - read it and :cry:
@HawkChamp He whoopped Jared Sullinger & Robbie Hummels butts both with a zone... 2012 that zone had us one victory from an NC. Self hasn't gotten 600 wins with rocks in his head.
@Crimsonorblue22 lost my tunein feed for postgame
@kjayhawks (The second half is the prime example of why Scott Drew is a turd. Motley was great in the first, drew LLs third foul early in the second only to touch the ball about 3 more times all night, while the rest of the bears jacked up 3s. Lol I could out coach Scott Drew.)
Drew can't x and O it. Even the media types say Baylor is a good team but not the best.
And this is why you're right about Drew. Hey the cat can recruit. He just can't coach. Give Coach Self this Baylor team and they beat KU In the Field house. I hate to say it, but it is true.
@kjayhawks A bit easier to get a guard the ball in a zone defense versus a big. Still Drew should figure it out, but probably not a fair comparison.
God I love being a KU fan. Here we are talking about how Drew an opposing coach should've done this to beat our beloved Jayhawks. Us Jayhawk fans are a special breed. We really are
Self read a statement about Vick. He can't answer anything. Doesn't know anything. You can tell he's really pissed. A lot of people r pissed at KU writers from star!
What calls did we get? I saw a bunch of missed walks from Baylor. That guy flopped on the 3
@kjayhawks I hear ya. If I recall correctly, didn't Motley get all his points posting up against our bigs? I know in the 2nd half he eventually did get touches but we doubled him. Then the one time we didn't double him, he scored.
Josh isn't a post-up big, he's obviously more of a small 4 in a 5-guard lineup. I think Josh is the PERFECT zone-buster because of his passing ability (in addition to his scoring) and knew he'd have a great game tonight.
Motley simply isn't as talented as JJ, so that's part of it. Should Motley have known how to pass out of a double-team? Yeah, probably. But he just didn't. I think that's where the coaching comes from. At the end of the day, Motley's a post player and it's tough to post in a zone, particularly when double-teams are flying at you and you don't know how to pass out of it.
Just playing devil's advocate...
@globaljaybird I never said he did
@Crimsonorblue22 I don't get why that report about Vick is even coming out now. Kind of stupid in my opinion since it happened over a year ago. Someone leaked it just to drag his name through the mud and pile on to all the other crap that's going on. In all reality it's really none of our business. Obviously the cops and/or the victim didn't want to pursue a case and it was handled internally by the school.
yeah Rick Barnes
@RockChalkinTexas Too bad this isn't the NFL we'd effectively have a two game lead on Baylor if head to head records actually mattered as far as winning the conference outright goes.
@HawkInMizery it's illegal too! 18 scouts in the buildings tonight
@Crimsonorblue22 everyone always says we get the calls at home and tonight we shot 27 FTS to 6 but Mason drove the ball to the hoop in the second and drew fouls while Baylor jacked up 3s. Anyone that watched that game knows that's what happened.
@HawkInMizery It also very well could have been the same nut case that Bragg was hooked up with a few weeks ago... that entire family is strange... Someone not governed by the rules of the investigation could have given out all the info they had...2nd or 3rd parties, counsel, a misery grad, who knows ??
@kjayhawks yep. We took away their strength and made them shoot jumpers.
@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah and all of the scouts are hearing about that report now which should have never come out. Those investigations are supposed to be restricted and only certain people are supposed to have access to them.
@globaljaybird Which is really unfortunate for Vick. From what I heard during the earlier Bragg investigation Vick had been tangled up with that same young lady. And totally agree that whole family is off balance.
@kjayhawks this! As soon as i saw the box score I knew people would bitch about KU getting all the calls at home. You're not going to get a ton of FT's if you're just jacking up jump shot and the other team is driving the lane to force the issue. There were a ton of no calls though during the first half especially when the refs just let them play.
Not sure if already posted but Newman wasn't at the game because he has the flu.
Who cares about these rankings though. Look at Mason and Graham. Lecomte is clearly a stud beyond his ranking.
I think Baylor has some stats guys that actually know what they're doing, hence the appropriate lineup selection for tonight. Also, it seems that they're doing a good job of finding talent in the haystack.
, so maybe they have a hand in that too.
Coaching is what wins you these games though, and we saw that tonight with the adjustments in the second half. Very proud of Vick and Svi for making some defensive plays tonight. We couldn't have done it without those guys (as well as Jackson) defending some of Baylor's taller players effectively tonight. That said, there were still dumb plays like the missed dunk and getting pegged out of bounds. Those can't happen late in March. Everyone made some pretty dumb plays tonight though.
@betterfireE it seems like our guys cant keep themselves from making silly plays. But maybe one of these days it will get better.
@globaljaybird Wife brought home some cake tonite that a patient brought in for the nurses. Said it was rum cake. Didn't smell too rummy to me but a liberal sprinkling of Bacardi Gold took care of that. :tropical_drink:
Big difference in rebounding between the halves. Baylor with a lot more rebounds in the first half bu KU ended up with more for the game.
Also, before we anoint Drew a good coach, keep in kind that he hired a new assistant to work with the bigs and this is why they are playing well and he might be also calling the game early and then Drew takes over and screws it up.
Earlier they showed where they took the front line from Baylor (3 players) had them spread their arms touching at the finger tip and measured 21 feet and 8 inches or an average of over 7 feet...that is one tall line with a huge wingspan.
@kjayhawks JJ moves like a π± cat to get open catches in that zone. He's athletic & tall enough to give the passer great angles & he is, so far, damn near unstoppable. He's at the FT line, on the baseline, he's like crap π© in the pasture on offense in a zone- He's everywhere. Plus he can drive it, post up, drain trifectas, or flush like a Kohler. JJ is badass & "Big time"- I think that's what some one called him tonite- big time. We're gonna go as far as he can take us this year & that very well could be the NC. That young man is the one to put a team over the top We haven't seen that many OADs fit in like he does at Kansas. RCJH!
On da rebound friends. Keep that sunny βοΈ side up... Ithink we just went 8-1 the 1st half of conf & 13 is our destination. No bench, no post, & we just keep winning!!! Yeah !!!
This game was more important to us than to Baylor, so I'm glad we won.. The back half of the conference schedule is tougher than the front-half, so we have done what we needed to, but will still have to play inspired basketball to get #13.
this was a Huge win for us! Huge! Lando came up clutch in the final 2 minutes. Josh was the best player on the court, FRank had another killer second half to close it.
2-1 in the last 3 games. Cant ask for too much more than that fellow jayhawk fans.
KU is in the drivers seat for #13
@Crimsonorblue22 Yes, the octogenarian of dumb (where basketball goes to die) will be rocking. There will be shirtless 300# men wearing purple coveralls pounding their chests! There will be a few really cute gals that turn repulsive when they open their emaws to reveal no teeth. There will be lots of pre-game smack talk and no acknowledgement of the loss afterwards, just lots of excuses. The crowd will be very quiet near the end of the game as KU extends its lead... The court will empty of players and the fans will exit in an orderly fashion.
@approxinfinity I would classify SF as backcourt in most cases. But...he is a 3-4 type player. But with BU's size inside, he would/should be in the backcourt in my book at BU.
I would need more context of the comment. But who knows, the media and analysts say the dumbest things.
@kjayhawks Funny but disturbing and a bit creepy
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