DEEEELAAAAAAAAAAAYS.

About 945 it looks

Im excited for a top 5 victory tonight. Going to be a good night for doke and lawson.

@bmensch1 Hope you are correct.

Again .

Dotson!! We've got Dotson here!!

Sethy would pick his grandma to beat us

@BShark need to get Williams in foul trouble. He won't play defense to ensure he stays on the court. Presuming doke doesn't walk or give the chicken wing hook...he sh I uld get 25.

BeddieKU23 said:

Sethy would pick his grandma to beat us

Little blind sisters of the most poor sacred heart by 15 over KU - Seth

@BeddieKU23 looks like he ate to much 🦃🦃🦃

Never seen a guy pick against us every game and lose. And then repeat himself again, again. Just funny

BeddieKU23 said:

Never seen a guy pick against us every game and lose. And then repeat himself again, again. Just funny

Didn't he do this last year too?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BeddieKU23 looks like he ate to much 🦃🦃🦃

Too bad the food didn't stuff his mouth

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Never seen a guy pick against us every game and lose. And then repeat himself again, again. Just funny

Didn't he do this last year too?

And Jay would call him out every time

Bout time for some of these guys to go!

Maaaan, this game is going to go to 11pm CST most likely. RIP east coast hawks.

We will have to play our best game of the year to beat them. Its going to take at least 4 guys having their A game

BShark said:

Maaaan, this game is going to go to 11pm CST most likely. RIP east coast hawks.

I'll be okay. It's not like I've slept in a week anyway

Would love to see our defense do something positive

@BShark east coast here...par for the course. Somehow time ceases to exist when KU comes on. The worst (actually the best) was KU ou. 3 ots and jacked up watching the highlights over and over again...next thing you know...4am nigh nigh time for a 5am wake up

BeddieKU23 said:

We will have to play our best game of the year to beat them. Its going to take at least 4 guys having their A game

I think Michigan State might be better than Tennessee, but missing Garrett hurts.

@BShark that's funny after everyone was griping

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

We will have to play our best game of the year to beat them. Its going to take at least 4 guys having their A game

I think Michigan State might be better than Tennessee, but missing Garrett hurts.

This will be my first time seeing them so I'll wait till I see them. I know Williams is the dragon we must cut in half

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark that's funny after everyone was griping

Well, he's important to winning games right now. That was part of my point that his floor is fairly high because he gets after it on D. We need Grimes to commit defensively.

As announcing pairs go, this one is pretty livable.

Yupp @BShark

@drgnslayr Come join the chat!

booyah....

Dotson is a rare freshman that gets it defensively. Garrett got it as well last year for the most part however so far Dotson is showing some very good qualities

Self is working it I see.

No Fran tonight? Not really complaining, just curious!

Such a weak call

wissox said:

No Fran tonight? Not really complaining, just curious!

Jay and Dan. Good pair. When Jay isn't working Duke games anyway.

Keep up Barnes

I'm liking this Dotson fella.

Glad that wasn't a shooting foul.

Ugh doke. Everytime it's a travel

wissox said:

I'm liking this Dotson fella.

And a foul not called

BeddieKU23 said:

Ugh doke. Everytime it's a travel

Yeah that was bad. He needs to learn to pass it out.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Ugh doke. Everytime it's a travel

Yeah that was bad. He needs to learn to pass it out.

As well as pivoting in the lane. Hes still going 150 mph

@BeddieKU23 yeah...he travelled on the foul as well. I think he walked on the dunk as well.

Vick needs to drive that dude

Getting PUNKED on the glass

Really dumb stuff by us

I'm really liking this Dotson fella

Dumb foul Doke except he was fouled on his shot he made.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Really dumb stuff by us

SLOPPPPS

Dotson is special.

That's a bull crap call against Lawson

Did someone say garrett was out tonight? I've missed the last 2 days of updates.

bmensch1 said:

Did someone say garrett was out tonight? I've missed the last 2 days of updates.

Concussion

Concussion

Danny Manning was the greatest passer we ever had.

Wow, OU 35, WVU 28 at the half. Football that is.

Ahh dukes not #1

playin well. Guys raise to the occasion

BeddieKU23 said:

playin well. Guys raise to the occasion

This game is a battle.

Hopefully not a naval battle given Tennessee has an Admiral.

@BShark weird

BShark said:

Hopefully not a naval battle given Tennessee has an Admiral.

Dude looks like a football playa

My nieces new husband used to be a trainer at UT. He decided to to trash talk me today. I need us to win this game.

That's our ball

Athletic?

Football trainer.

Yikes KJ

Jay said that big guy was athletic

Good gosh

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Good gosh

Both teams defending.

Charlie?😡

Do we do anything but travel. Wth is wrong with them

That was a fine play by Charlie. w/e

That team is 0-8 from distance.

By by doke

wissox said:

That team is 0-8 from distance.

It was bound to happen eventually! haha

Maybe make a layup

BeddieKU23 said:

Maybe make a layup

It's like Perry and Lando all over again.

McCormack lost the wt coming in

Except Lando never made moves like Dedric lol

Redic call

Our TO's killing us.

BeddieKU23 said:

Redic call

I can't even...

Well we are winning by 5, so they're not killing us, but we could be up double digits.

Lawson go to goal

Well, UT can't really make threes and KU won't attempt them. BAD BALL BABY.

THAT WAS A GOALTEND. LOLREFS

Unbelievable.

Refs cant do their job

How can refs be that stupid?

@wissox I say that a lot

Okay. I think Vick can just stop throwing up garbage anytime now.

And for the love of God can we have a team that hits fts someday

Letting one play affect them now

Vick not in rhythm

UT had to start hitting shots eventually.

One guy

@Crimsonorblue22 I do too, and then there's times like that that so exceed anything els. Of course we miss 2 FT's because the rim was still shaking and give up a bomb and another shot.

Free throws and turnovers killing KU. Hawks doing very well on 2 pt shots.

That was maybe one of these worst no calls on a goal tend I’ve ever seen. They need to start docking pay for calls like that, that are so obvious. These guys need to be let go, if they are making more than minimum wage after a complete screw like that, they are thieves. I think that call got in our heads a bit. Gotta clean it up here.

Take Moore of that

Timeout?

@cragarhawk I see what you did there lol

This is a bruising battle.

Sigh...

More missed FTs.

Instead of improving Dokes ft percentage. We decided to bring everyone else down to that level so it doesn't seem so bad

That was one terrible defensive stand

i miss garrett.

Do we know man to man, block the guy out?

Joke

At least we play better after a bill self ass whoopin

Charlie just made a jethro...

We won't turn it over or miss a ft or have a complete defensive lapse for the next 15 min or so. So that's a plus

cragarhawk said:

Instead of improving Dokes ft percentage. We decided to bring everyone else down to that level so it doesn't seem so bad

Plus it will confuse the opposition on whom to foul at the end of the game!

We saw how big an impact not having doke out there

Not moving the ball

KU played like crap and only down 2, Tennessee hasn't played well either tonight, tired legs on both sides.

Heck of a fb game

Need to makemhe free ones, rebound and cut down on turnovers, then we will be in good shape.

I'm not sure we've even ran an actual offense yet

BeddieKU23 said:

We saw how big an impact not having doke out there

Kills the entire offense.

kjayhawks said:

Need to makemhe free ones, rebound and cut down on turnovers, then we will be in good shape.

Yep. 3-8 from the line is brutal. And Doke didn't take any of them...

Too many dumb turnovers. The last couple of minutes in the half killed us. We had the lead and the ball......now down 2.

Will Oklahoma/WVU football outscore UVA/UW basketball?

Sure feels like Tennessee is playing old Self ball bumping and hacking KU and the refs are cool with it. If you ask Bill he'd probably say he likes it though.

Missing Doke inside. Maybe missing Garret too...

It's going to be hilarious when Grimes still goes pro. HILARIOUS.

That missed goaltend really sucked then UT canned a three. Then it looks like maybe KU will lead at the half, nope, UT hits another three.

That said, Doke was saddled with fouls, Vick + Grimes sucked and KU is only down 2.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Will Oklahoma/WVU football outscore UVA/UW basketball?

Ha! I missed the game today, recorded it, had a bad feeling about it, checked the score, saved myself some agony by not watching it.

KU wins by 9. No problem.

Agbaji is in a boot, anybody hear about that?

Vick step up don't worry about the 3

HighEliteMajor said:

KU wins by 9. No problem.

I like the confidence. I'm not so sure.

@Crimsonorblue22 Hmm.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Vick step up don't worry about the 3

At this point I would take any kind of positive impact from Vick.

Horrible start to 2nd

WVU 42 OU 38. The Big 12 might be playing itself out of the playoffs.

Sigh...

I guess we won't start the half like we did against marquette.

looooooooool

Ya I guess I've missed the part where Grimes is even remotely ready for the NBA. Maybe not even college

These FTs are ruining my 4 day weekend.

FREEEEE THROWWWWS

He isn’t
There isn’t a career nba guy on this roster

Well. Missing fts and throwing the ball to nobody is certainly a bold strategy

3-10 from the line...

Wow get grimes out

Dont bring him back in

I'm sorry Bill and Marcus.

Look this is on self. He makes guys double for zero reason or purpose

@cragarhawk and letting your man go to the goal

I do believe Self coaches freshman harder than Cal and K. He puts a ton on them and at times they lose their athletic ability because they are thinking so much. Grimes is at that point right now. He will look better by late January.

Hello KU coaches, long time listener first time caller. Doubling the post ain't it.

We had better get something going or it’s gonna get ugly friends

BShark said:

Hello KU coaches, long time listener first time caller. Doubling the post ain't it.

Doubling, helping, it's all pointless

Lots of time to improve fortunately

Discombobulated offense. No rhythm.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Hello KU coaches, long time listener first time caller. Doubling the post ain't it.

Doubling, helping, it's all pointless

Just let our post guys D up one on one and live with the results. He is too good of a passer.

😡

Eeek

Terrible pass

I know it's a sorry excuse but this whole game turned when 3 officials couldn't see Tennessee grab the rim taking away two points. Now they're imagining doke fouling guys.

Welp, calling this one. Good try, good effort KU.

Doke find the bus

Lawson needs the 3 to drop to help with his slow feet. Seems to be losing confidence from there

Wow and another call that’s laughable

Ref show took over removing Doke from the game.

@BShark I knew you'd throw in the towel early. Because we've never come back from 7 points down?

Let's go!

Let’s see how long we can’t afford to keep Doke on the bench here. Need some offense from someone.

@wissox agree. Thought the missed goal tending was pivotal. Fouling out Dok because he’s big

But this offense is nauseating to watch. Dribble dribble dribble ball sticking.

We know we gotta win games without Doke. He can't play 40 min every night. Let's find some defense here

Now that DanR is here, we should get humming along.

I wouldn’t say the officials are the reason we are down but 2 flatout horrendous calls by professionals definitely hurt. Some games you don’t get the calls gotta play thru it.

We should be down 20. I feel pretty good

If we buy anymore guys can we pay a lil extra for some ft shooters....

Is that a thing?

Missed free throws. Terrible passing. And no defense. That’s why they are behind mostly.

Basketball is a game of runs, we just need a run here.

Kj did something!

@kjayhawks well this one us giving me the runs... Lol

I'm not complaining but why didn't Dedric shoot FTs there?

cragarhawk said:

@kjayhawks well this one us giving me the runs... Lol

That’s just all the thanksgiving food

Dribble weave

Goal tending on both ends

Wow that's some bs

We need lights out Vick.

Obviously goal tend and offensive basket interference. I’d get a T what a bunch of bull sh**

Blown=captain obvious

Dotson is going to need to mature really really fast. We are lacking that settle it down guys point guard.

@BigBad Vick sure isn't that guy

Ft!!!! Whoa

Vick is an enigma

Another bull crap call on that rebound

Is everyone happy Grimes and KJ are showing why MG should not play?

Just get KJ out for the year. Or at least until he learns body language. Good God.

Everyone who wanted Garret to sit we now have KJ getting the minutes.

I guess I missed it - why is Garrett not playing?

They need to just change the rules to you can’t touch anyone at this point. You see so many weak calls for a brush, then someone gets flattened and no whistle. They rule changes the last 5 seasons is destroying game flow.

Refs have tKwn over the game and not in a good way.

Head wound

Good call!

Self is letting them get their asses whooped imo.

@wissox OU/WVU has now outscored UVA/UW.

Tennessee Getting away with a lot of hand checking on the weave hand offs

Good call putting doke back in

2 fts?!? Hell ya

Blown said:

Tennessee Getting away with a lot of hand checking on the weave hand offs

Yep I bitched about this earlier lol. But also like I said Self is probably fine with it.

Need 7 or 8 solid minutes from a Doke.

Dotson is playing decent d

That should have been a dunk. Bad pass.

Dok head out if it. Is that 3 off his tips on entry passes?

Not Doke's finest hour tonight.

Get the heck off of him

Doke isn't good tonight

No travel

Silly turnovers here

@DanR He moved his pivot foot. That last replay showed it.

Jay is right, he should have passed it back out.

Yeah top view I saw it

The east coast bias on the reffing is pissing me clean off

There Vick!

OKAY VICK

The Vickster....

Why are the guards slipping so much

@Fightsongwriter You mean an SEC team playing on ESPN which owns the SEC network?

Blown said:

Why are the guards slipping so much

Slick floor. Been a BIG issue all night for both teams.

They're all sweating a lot too so it's probably humid

Maybe the great Williams will learn his lesson and lay off doke

Doke comes back in, 3 points 2 rebounds forces a travel KU gets the game tied up. Think he is important?

Maui classic style

@wissox You know that's right! 3 phantoms on dok and 2 on lawson. Dok did not travel on the last post move either. Total joke.

If we can hit the free ones and cut down on TOs it ours.

Fightsongwriter said:

@wissox You know that's right! 3 phantoms on dok and 2 on lawson. Dok did not travel on the last post move either. Total joke.

Bad reffing all night. The missed goaltend was probably the worst.

Vick!!!

The top 2 Tennessee scores have no fouls.

kjayhawks said:

If we can hit the free ones and cut down on TOs it ours.

Fingers crossed. Both have been super difficult all night lol.

Doke travels almost every time he touches it

And he got away with a hook on that could have been 5

JayHawkFanToo said:

The top 2 Tennessee scores have no fouls.

All we can do is laugh.

Air ball

Bilas has been more of a shithead tonight than usual

On the admiral?

Lol 🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀

VIIIIIIIIIIIICK

Vick picked a great time to show back up

Rebound please

Sigh.

Guy walks around like he has......

How is Williams that wide open

Hand down man down.

Gut check time. Let's go ku

I graduated high school same year as Corliss Williamson...they said it goes back a way....sigh

And then we go soft again. Lawson misses a ten footer. DOn't guard the 3. Tied up.

Blown said:

How is Williams that wide open

This has been happening all year basically.

Wow guys did we forget how to play defense. Wake up

If dok could learn to kick and repost he would shoot 80% and we would get so many mor open looks.

Didn't like force feeding the post two straight trips after getting the 5 pt lead.

Tn players fall down easily

Fightsongwriter said:

If dok could learn to kick and repost he would shoot 80% and we would get so many mor open looks.

Yessss

Doke gets his fouls off Lawson's mistakes

Acting job lol

I love the lady chewing out the refs

That was a foul on Doke.

After all the contact they allow...

Flop

@DanR la la

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Doke gets his fouls off Lawson's mistakes

Correct

Needed another 3 minutes from a Doke...dang...

If lawson could jump he would ave 25 ppts per

Boxing out is a sign of toughness

Imagine going away from Vick when he is on fire.

@Crimsonorblue22 is it? She's schooling them

Ours?

@Crimsonorblue22 I thought it might be, but Dotson didn't seem to argue.

Jay is right. Wrong guys shooting.

Boy we've missed some open shots....although KJ was not the one we want shooting 3s.

Gonna be a love hate thing for me with the Lawson boys

Missed Vick wide open there

Where is grimes?

Fightsongwriter said:

Where is grimes?

Correctly on the bench.

Ugly. Like every game I’ve watched this year.

@BShark No! We need him!

I'd rather see big dave than kj

Self is sending Grimes a major message.

Let's get his rear out

DanR said:

I'd rather see big dave than kj

I'd take Mitch even, despite previous comments.

Smooth gait? Watch him run

Defense!

BShark said:

Self is sending Grimes a major message.

If he can’t guard and isn’t aggressive on offense he doesn’t have much purpose

I love the lawsons

Lawson has a crunch time mentality. I like that.

Woodrow said:

BShark said:

Self is sending Grimes a major message.

If he can’t guard and isn’t aggressive on offense he doesn’t have much purpose

Like Selden, Grimes is a 3 in Self's system.

What is grimes doing wrong ?

Game over

Moore is Chicago tough.

Free throws gonna haunt us

Dotson leaves his feet too much

Not a Williams fan

Oh man, bye bye Williams.

Ricky was having EVERYTHING run through Grant Williams for the last few minutes. Wonder what they do now.

@Crimsonorblue22 Williams hype hype hype

Williams is a stud

Go to the bone

Way to use that timeout coach

The other lawson gives me heart attacks ...... especially when he's in during crunch time.

Set up a play for kj

Go to vick

Fightsongwriter said:

Go to vick

PREACH

Wow. Time for a big time play

Blown said:

What is grimes doing wrong ?

Everything basically.

Drive. And kick

I say we get dedric in an iso and let him make a play, or pass

Anyone else feel like the pundits are intentionally overhyping the game and level of play ?

Kj. Ugh

Inbounds lob plsy

Well ot isn't the worst thing with William's out

Alley oop to Vick...

Just give it to Vick

Man fade 3...ugh

...never thought I’d be saying that

Refs take doke out of game, blow an obvious goaltend, miss Garrett who provides more than the other lawson for sure, and we have OT. Result could have been worse.

Oop to vick was there

Was that the play?

Mitch had a layup and they missed him

Fightsongwriter said:

Oop to vick was there

Yep. Dotson didn't see it.

@wissox don’t forget missed free throws

So no Doke for KU but no Williams for UT.

Also no Grimes lol.

Turnovers, especially traveling has been a huge factor

2 OT games... audience getting its money’s worth.

Is Kansas a team of hero ballers this year ?

If made fts or didn't turn it over 15 times we probably won by 6 in regulation

Not good execution at the end of regulation there.

Blown said:

Is Kansas a team of hero ballers this year ?

I think that changes, this is game 5 with a new roster

@BeddieKU23 I hope so. It’s not fun to watch imo

Dedric jumping? Gotta be kidding me...

let's take this home...COME ON!

Like our chances without Williams

Lawson got up

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Lawson got up

Still no dunk

Kill him

Afterburners

kj with his best Jamari impressions

@Blown Jamari without the athleticism

Dedric got his hand above the rim!!!!!

It's Sunday ref

Dotson my early favorite player this year

stupid foul

Both Lawsons just watched a guy rebound

Good box

Dunk

Boom

What?!

Over the back ten.

1 skying!

Let’s go KJ!!!!

Max verticality by dedric right there

Wow, Dedric can dunk...

Poor Tennessee dont like the tit tac on them

Moore scares me

BigBad said:

Dotson my early favorite player this year

It's not close

Interior d is on lock for ku

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Moore scares me

You on my side with this now?

Charlie's second pass to dedric off a bad drive

I'm not smart enough to figure this out but the last two years Doke has had two AA point guards feeding him lobs for dunks. It's not happening yet.

Apparently Dedric can dunk

@BShark lot of min for 11

Holy crap!

Dedric and kj both battling hard

justanotherfan said:

Apparently Dedric can dunk

Take a drink every time he does imo

Flood gates open now
Dedric a dunking machine

Huge minutes from KJ tonight.

I'm impressed with the effort in this ot

Poor grimes

Same Ole Barnes (SOB)

Great numbers for Dedric.

Great numbers for Dedric.

GAME OVER!!!!!!!

Gonna have to make some FTs

Great plays guys

🐦 View Tweet

KJ has had some silly fouls but has played his tail off and made winning plays

KansasComet said:

Same Ole Barnes (SOB)

Same Barnes Different Day

Never saw the answer...what did grimes do to get the bench ?

Grimes got the oubre treatment

KUSTEVE said:

GAME OVER!!!!!!!

CALM DOWN STEVEN

Grimes got lost tonight. I think he will be okay, but KU still hasn't found a way to maximize all of their best players at the same time. That has to get fixed.

@KansasComet ha ha, he hates KU

Dotson is a baller

We picked it up defense. Nice to see we can

DanR said:

Grimes got the oubre treatment

Needs it

Don't let up guys

@BShark same Barnes different team

Same Self

I want the ball in Dotsons hands. Kid can play

BigBad said:

DanR said:

Grimes got the oubre treatment

Needs it

KU has to find roles for everyone that fit together. Right now the fit just isn't quite working.

Grimes is getting a message here. We can beat #5 without MG and you playing very little in the second. Go hard or get out buddy.

BeddieKU23 said:

I want the ball in Dotsons hands. Kid can play

I want no one else taking these fts.

Interesting sub

Can you name you kid admiral if he's not in the navy?

DanR said:

Interesting sub

Confusing substitution. Doesn't make sense for Q or KJ.

Needed more muscle with grimes against the admiral

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Can you name you kid admiral if he's not in the navy?

No

Wanted Grimes to know he doesn't hate him lol.

I'm fine being ranked 2

Lightfoots hair stayed in good shape all game. So that’s good.

Barnes get coy of big 12 this year?

Great win tonight

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Barnes get coy of big 12 this year?

Oh man, is this the best post in this thread?

Rcjh!

Very impressed with our grit.

A win is a win. It was sure ugly in the middle

justanotherfan said:

DanR said:

Interesting sub

Confusing substitution. Doesn't make sense for Q or KJ.

Needed a FT shooter.

BeddieKU23 said:

Very impressed with our grit.

Self made them tough it out and they did. I like it.

Bill proud of the toughness

Play bad and win against a good team. Well I'm happy with that

Tennessee is good but not great. They couldn't overcome our weakened team, even though they came close. Hats off to our team. We've beaten two top 10 teams this year.

Two battles in Brooklyn, we needed that. Good to see this early in the season. So what was with MG?

missed it by 1. i said we'd win by 7.

Great test for the team and it passed with flying colors.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Very impressed with our grit.

Self made them tough it out and they did. I like it.

Love these type of games. Depth saved us. KJ can play given the opportunity

Admiral has a brother named General I shit you not

National ranking may make others think it isn’t anything special he is doing but Self is doing some great things with these guys

@wissox we still have rooks too

how cool is that????? RCJHGKU....hubba, hubba....

@DanR how did you know that? No parents in the military ?

14 straight regular season wins vs AP top 10 is pretty damn good.

DanR said:

Admiral has a brother named General I shit you not

OKAY SO HOT DEBATE TIME.

Is this worse than the St Browns?

For reference

Equanimeous, Osiris and Amon-ra. Brothers that are all WRs, one currently in the NFL other two in college I believe.

@BShark 🤨

OU beats WVU 59-56... I kid you not...the Big 12 still alive.

Scrappy, very scrappy. Charlie Moore and KJ Lawson were very valuable tonight.

@BShark I feel you need to earn those.🇺🇸

@BShark

Better than Robin and Brook as in the Lopez brothers.

1372 yards of combined offense for OU and WVU...

Williams needs to get his Carmel corn back from Barnes

@JayHawkFanToo Them Lopez brothers are still in the league aren't they? I hope we can say the same about the Lawsons.

I like dedrics kick after his dunk

@BShark find out about that boot. Ok?

Now we have to wait 8 days to see KU play a terrible Stanford team. Stanford is the kind of team you hope to let Grimes get his confidence back against. Kenpom ranking in the same range as Vermont and Lousiana.

@Crimsonorblue22 Schofield's dad was in the navy

Hopefully these 2 games got Dedric going, he looked so much better. Not driving into 3 guys and getting swatted repeatedly.

Oh, and he was born in the same hospital in England that Prince Harry and William were born in.

All the trivia I know. I lived in Knoxville for ten years so I sort of still follow the Vols a bit.

@BShark How much are we going to lose to Stanford by?

@DanR impressed

Whew.. Great win. The team is still putting the pieces together. But good enough to win some big games on big stages. Dotson looked great tonight. Grimes will have his day. Awesome to see D Lawson show what he can do in this tourney. KJ also got some meaningful minutes. And props to Moore who was able to competently manage the game to give others a break. This squad is a work in progress, but what a great bunch of raw parts.

Lots of weapons on this team. They can win playing a variety of styles.

wissox said:

@BShark How much are we going to lose to Stanford by?

Negative 20.

Bill takes another one away from Barnes. And so it goes...

bskeet said:

Whew.. Great win. The team is still putting the pieces together. But good enough to win some big games on big stages. Dotson looked great tonight. Grimes will have his day. Awesome to see D Lawson show what he can do in this tourney. KJ also got some meaningful minutes. And props to Moore who was able to competently manage the game to give others a break. This squad is a work in progress, but what a great bunch of raw parts.

Lots of weapons on this team. They can win playing a variety of styles.

Yep, Grimes just needs to find himself. Maybe thinking too much right now. Beating a top 5 teams basically without Grimes is HUGE. Plus Doke fouled out in 17 minutes or so... Just a great, tough team win.

@bskeet I've been saying all year so far that Dotson is better than Grimes. I've also said no way hes a OAD at this point. Looking at previous OAD guards hes not even close.

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet I've been saying all year so far that Dotson is better than Grimes. I've also said no way hes a OAD at this point. Looking at previous OAD guards hes not even close.

He really isn't but he has been DEAD SET on leaving. Will be interesting to see if that changes. He has good parents and they also don't particularly need the $ I believe.

Both Grimes and Dotson are excellent freshmen. I think they may be the best true freshmen duo since Wiggins and Embiid... not as talented-- and not nearly as impactful as those two were because we don't need them to be given that Vick and D Lawson are seasoned and talented scoring machines. But there wasn't much around Wigs and Embiid. Tarik Black (sr) and Perry Ellis (so) were it.

So I like to think about these freshmen improving throughout the year and becoming more confident with the safety net of Vick, Lawson and Azubuki. It should be a team with a high ceiling as the season winds down.

@bskeet Grimes could be a solid freshman but he's got to figure it out from an effort stand point. That's my main issue with him, we have some depth this so the choice is his. I've said for years I'd rather have a 3 or 4 star guy that goes hard than a 5 that stands.

Grimes was so good in the USA games, he'll get there.

Maybe Grimes hasn’t figured out the structure yet. Maybe he’s better with less structure where he can create?

@Gorilla72 I think you’re exactly right. Many times guys struggle offensively when getting to college because other teams play excellent team defense. Team offense is designed to combat good team defense.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I see a more complete player as a freshman with Grimes than I did with Selden (who seems to be a good comparison player). I do think it is simply making the adjustment to the college game where real defense is played. Sometimes a lot of things get jammed into guys’ heads by Coach Self and it takes some time to start playing and not thinking. Things it takes for the team to succeed. All things we’ve heard before. Guys have to persevere.

Selden seemed like a work in progress for quite a while. It took Oubre some time too. Newman was completely out of sync until well into the second half of the season. All three NBA level talent. I think Grimes will get it to click.

By the end of the season, none of us should be surprised if Grimes is our best all around player, just as we had imagined. I actually think it will happen much quicker with Grimes. He’s got a lot of good things in the tool box. Maybe more than the other three I mentioned. The struggle is many times a good thing.

@HighEliteMajor I think he has the nba body already, like Selden, and similar handles and athleticism. I think he has an edge on mentality and it way ahead of freshman Selden onhis shot. Remember Selden took a Summer to fix his shot. No need with Grimes. I'm drinking the Kool aid

I thought Moore could shoot the rock? 3-10 with several layups not even close. If that’s the shooting we get out of Charlie I’ll take Garrett’s intangibles any day.

I was hollering for Svi in the corner, but it wasn’t to be. I really miss that lights out shooting. I don’t see anyone on the team that can make threes like that guy did as a Sr. Looks like shooting will not be the strength it has been the last couple years. Here’s hoping to see the defensive effort they started the second half against Marquette with more often.

dylans said:

I thought Moore could shoot the rock? 3-10 with several layups not even close. If that’s the shooting we get out of Charlie I’ll take Garrett’s intangibles any day.

My original thoughts after watching them play at their previous school after announcing they would transfer to KU is that Moore and KJ suck. I was hoping with a year in the program even not playing that would help...

I made quite a few negative posts about Moore which got me called out by the posters one would expect. I have called him a slightly better Tharpe and I stand by that.

I think @Crimsonorblue22 has come around on this subject.

@dylans

True, but even Svi never went 8 for 8 and then another 7 for 12 the next game... Vick was a machine earlier. Very unexpected but most welcome and I’m sure hoping he finds that happy place many more times this season!

Good to have a Tharpe.... Coming off the bench.

Kcmatt7 said:

Good to have a Tharpe.... Coming off the bench.

Exactly. Even Tharpe's SO year that was fine, but when you have to play a Tharpe 30 minutes well...we've seen the results. Moore is obviously very short and has a low release point which compounds the problem.

This is why we really need Dotson back next year. Dotson is the key to next year's team being a contender.

@BShark

You’re right that his numbers suck, but I’ve seen flashes of confidence and idk, there’s just something about the way he plays that makes me think the light is going go on one day for him.

Then again, I thought that about Sam last year too.

Then again, I sure didn’t think that about BIFM freshman year.

Hard to tell from such s small sample I guess.

My thoughts from the game last night:

• DOTSON IS A DUDE. No stage too big for this fella. Even a blue-collar physical Rick Barnes Tennessee team could rough him up enough. They sure tried though.
• Doke is the most important player on this team. His dominance when he is in the game is truly only able to be appreciated when he is not in the game...
• Dedric is our best offensive player and we need to play through him more. Bonafide stud. I wish he'd pop the top of the key 3 a few more times. But I love playing through him. Those drives are sneaky good
• Has Bill ever had a player as hot as Vick? This senior Vick guy is an absolute terror for short stretches. And HE'S EVEN DRIVING THE BALL. Who knew he could even do that?
• Bill let KJ play through mistakes (because he had too) and it ended up being huge. KJ got some confidence and ended up playing some solid minutes. A couple of great shot contests and rebounds late.
• Grimes played better, but he's still got a long ways to go. A better Selden. I think Grimes will be back at this point...
• Mitch needs to look to score the ball more. It's nice to have such an unselfish player, but he is being one to a fault at this point. His lack of offensive aggression is actually hurting us. SHOOT IT MITCH.
• Big Dave went largely unnoticed. Which I'll take as a good sign.
• Offensively, as a team, I think we are finally finding a pecking order and Dedric is starting to get in a rhythm. Which is scary. We do need to take a few more 3s, but I'm ok feeding Doke and Dedric if nobody can score at their same efficient pace. Vick is the perfect addition to this team. He can go on those 3 minute bursts where he just completely swings the momentum. The weave and screen HI-LO combo looks kind of unstoppable with Doke in (if he doesn't get called for fouls).
• Defensively, I don't like double-teaming a 6'7 center. Killed us. But, we absolutely took out Schofield and that was huge. Grimes played better on D this game. Dotson is so pesky. I still thought 3 point shot challenges were a little late, but not horrible.

This is a great win. I'm sure we'll get lept in the polls by the zags despite two top 10 wins this season. But oh well. I want these guys carrying that chip all season.

@BShark

Moore hit an acrobatic shot and also a 3 and both came at critical times. He also hit another 3 that was taken out.

He might not be starting material but he is is a quality backup.

Dedric remind me of Perry, neither is athletic or flashy but both are skillful and do their work very quietly and when you think they are having sub-par games you look at the numbers and they are surprisingly very good. I like it. :thumbsup_tone2:

@Kcmatt7 Dotson is the best freshman I've ever seen in acclimating to the game on the spot. Running the team like he's been there 4 years. He might be the most underrated 5 star recruit in history. This guy is doing things that Senior Frank did. He has the absolute perfect game for our team. Now, I'm sure WVU and Nova will try to speed him up, and get him out of rhythm, but I think he'll pass those tests with flying colors, like he has everything else. We aren't nearly as good of a team when DD isn't on the floor.

@JayHawkFanToo You make a real good point. Perry was flat nails, and Dedric is showing the same offensive dominance. Perry was a master of getting himself in position to make the shot, and as Dedric grows in our system, he will find those great shots as well. I think the best is yet to come.

Next, time to rip Stanford's heart out and feed it to a Christmas tree.. The revenge train rolls on! All aboard!

Tennessee 2010 Regular Season ↗

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Stanford 2014 Tournament ↗

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Villanova 2018 Tournament ↗

@KUSTEVE needs to get a shot, cause they're going to give it to him.

@approxinfinity I do love Jarod Haase

@Crimsonorblue22 For one day, Ich hasse Haase.

@Crimsonorblue22 He's spotted up pretty good so far, but he could simply be devastating if he can start hitting 3s. If they try to close on him, he'd be by them in a millisecond.

The ESPN+ all backboard cam, no commentator rebroadcast is awesome! Much better sense of individual contributions

As usual had to DVR the game after work...couple delayed thoughts from last night:
— Dedric finally looked like a player. Loved that reverse lay-in. Didn’t offer much defensively though.
— There are games where Dok looks like he isn’t ready to play physically. He’s huffing and puffing early. This was one of em. I wonder if when he’s done at KU we will find out he’s got some weird lung disease or asthma.
— Dotson: man crush. I don’t care if he never takes a shot that isn’t a layup!
— as much as I’m hating on KJ, and I’m still hating on KJ, he made a few important yet spastic plays.
— Grimes is a virtual no show on the court. Can’t figure this one out. Best I can figure is that Self has set up isolations in years past for players like Wiggins and Oubre, but has emphasized post play so far with this team? Maybe he’s stupid and can’t pick up the plays and system? He seems lost all over the place. I don’t see one particular skill that sets him apart yet. I don’t see any skills that make him a one and done. Hoping by January he can figure things out.
— loved that Vick did a little bit more than chuck up threes. Even drove the lane a few times! More!
— we played some great defense at times last night. The Vols took and made some contested shots.
— the weave: looks like we haven’t really practiced this yet. We got guys running into each other. Stopping short. Dribbling from corner to corner. Odd.
— overall a great win vs. a very tough opponent

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

Moore hit an acrobatic shot and also a 3 and both came at critical times. He also hit another 3 that was taken out.

He might not be starting material but he is is a quality backup.

He missed 7 shots maybe you remember those as well?

KUSTEVE said:

@JayHawkFanToo You make a real good point. Perry was flat nails, and Dedric is showing the same offensive dominance. Perry was a master of getting himself in position to make the shot, and as Dedric grows in our system, he will find those great shots as well. I think the best is yet to come.

Going to be making a post in the Dedric thread.

jayhawkcsg said:

As usual had to DVR the game after work...couple delayed thoughts from last night:
— Dedric finally looked like a player. Loved that reverse lay-in. Didn’t offer much defensively though.
— There are games where Dok looks like he isn’t ready to play physically. He’s huffing and puffing early. This was one of em. I wonder if when he’s done at KU we will find out he’s got some weird lung disease or asthma.
— Dotson: man crush. I don’t care if he never takes a shot that isn’t a layup!
— as much as I’m hating on KJ, and I’m still hating on KJ, he made a few important yet spastic plays.
— Grimes is a virtual no show on the court. Can’t figure this one out. Best I can figure is that Self has set up isolations in years past for players like Wiggins and Oubre, but has emphasized post play so far with this team? Maybe he’s stupid and can’t pick up the plays and system? He seems lost all over the place. I don’t see one particular skill that sets him apart yet. I don’t see any skills that make him a one and done. Hoping by January he can figure things out.
— loved that Vick did a little bit more than chuck up threes. Even drove the lane a few times! More!
— we played some great defense at times last night. The Vols took and made some contested shots.
— the weave: looks like we haven’t really practiced this yet. We got guys running into each other. Stopping short. Dribbling from corner to corner. Odd.
— overall a great win vs. a very tough opponent

Grimes is in the Bill Self send a message box atm. It will be interesting to see how it works out, I think Grimes is the kind of player where he eventually does get it and plays well.

The question is: what’s the message?

jayhawkcsg said:

The question is: what’s the message?

Play defense or don't play.

Yup, that could be it!

@jayhawkcsg when the announcer said doke was looking winded, I didn't agree. He's been playing a lot more minutes, til the foul problem. I think he's in pretty good shape for such a big man. I did think the admiral was looking tired and then Williams, who limped or had some ailment every time he went to bench- thanks Doke!😜

@Crimsonorblue22 The volume of air that goes in and out of that big body, in between plays, is impressive. Makes it look like he is winded, even though he's just replenishing oxygen stores. He's like a big race horse. Just watching Dok breathe is amazing, but it doesn't mean he's out of shape. That big body just needs a lot of oxygen.

@Crimsonorblue22 Udoke laid out Williams with an elbow. It was beautiful.

This was a high quality win. I think we'll look back on this in March and realize that it made a big difference in seeding.

@jayhawkcsg here's a good one. I thought I would look up the after game interview with Rick Barnes on Youtube, but all I could find was a whole page of videos where Barnes was explaining his losses to KU when he was at Texas..lol.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rick+barnes+after+game+ku ↗ ↗

@KUSTEVE - Pretty funny!

Here ya go. He lamented the fact they shot too many 3’s and didn’t go inside enough.

https://m. ↗

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/mens-basketball/2018/11/24/tennessee-vols-basketball-kansas-rick-barnes-grant-williams/2051989002/ ↗

@Gorilla72

The word is out that the way to beat KU is to shoot lots of 3s...except not every team is that good shooting the 3...Tennessee obviously was not.

@wissox

Darn it! I've been working extra hours and have missed lots of good chatting in here.

@drgnslayr how's the weather there? I don't think you got it as bad. I have a drs apt there tmrw afternoon.

@drgnslayr I've missed your posts. We've got to find @jaybate-1-0 who is MIA.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@Gorilla72

The word is out that the way to beat KU is to shoot lots of 3s...

The way to beat KU is to outscore us any way possible. That goes back to Dr. Naismith's original Rules. Any "word is out" statement on a specific strategy should be qualified by asking, "Who is spreading that word since no one has done that?"

@mayjay

You can ask Jesse Newell ↗. he is spreading the word.

@JayHawkFanToo I have the same concerns. Especially with Nova coming up.

Three point defense is once again a weakness. Hope it gets cleaned up, in the mean time notice all the losses?