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KC:
1. Kentucky
2. Michigan State
3. Houston
4. Kansas

DC:
1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Marquette
4. LSU

Anaheim:
1. Gonzaga
2. UNC
3. Texas Tech
4. Wisconsin

Louisville:
1. Virginia
2. Tennessee
3. Purdue
4. Maryland

I like that we are still in KC. I'm interested to see how Duke finishes the season. I think it's possible that they lose 2-3 more games. Which could mean someone else ends up on the Top line in KC. Which, I'd definitely prefer. I'm really hoping MSU or Michigan can push back to that 1 line in KC. I think both of those teams are much more beatable for our squad.

@approxinfinity I couldn't upload an image for some reason. Told me I didn't have the privileges.

WE ARE LIKELY A 3

@JAYHAWKFAN214 I think we have a good shot at one, but we have to win out the regular season. Honestly, we have as good of a shot at the top 3 seed as we do being the top 4 seed.

There is such a huge difference between a 3 & 4 seed due to the fact of having to face the #1 seed in S16. Hopefully this team can win 3 more to close out the season and move back up to the 3 line.

Woodrow said:

There is such a huge difference between a 3 & 4 seed due to the fact of having to face the #1 seed in S16. Hopefully this team can win 3 more to close out the season and move back up to the 3 line.

Sort of. I still think being in KC as a 4 seed is better than being in DC or Louisville as a 3 seed. I'd be ok with Anaheim.

I think there is a legitimate possibility that KU leaps over Marquette and Houston. Leaving Tech and Purdue above them if we win out the regular season.

Then, it would come down to Tech and KU in the conference tournament I'd think... A fight for who gets to go to play in KC.

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I'd prefer a 2,3, or even a 6 over a 4 or 5. I doubt we'd fall to a 6, but we have two road games left, the road hasn't been kind to us and a league tourney.

Virginia Tech could be a hard out when Justin Robinson is back. Their guards were consistently faster than Duke's tonight, blowing by them for layups. Good ball movement, clutch 3s and Blackshear looked like a more athletic Dedric.

Seems like 1 and 2 are safer in the first round, 3,4, 5 and 6 always have at least one upset in recent years.

@approxinfinity Too funny...I thought Blackshear looked like Dedric, too.That was my exact thought.

@Kcmatt7 Wow you have KU as the #4-1 seed? HOUSTON as the #3-1 seed? KU seed is a little to aggressive and Houston is not worthy of a #3-1 seed. Their resume is weak.

We have 3-5 more games yet and a lot to happen. Our non-con resume is going to pay dividends this year.

@truehawk93 that’s what Lunardi has

@truehawk93 I don’t think you and @Kcmatt7 are saying the same thing. He has them as a 4 seed. The breakdown above shows regions, so Kansas is the 4 seed in the KC region.

1- Before they changed the way they rank teams, our resume would've easily netted us a 2/3 seed. We have not been rewarded for playing the nation's best schedule. In fact, the difficult schedule has probably hurt us with the margin of victory they added in their b.s. rankings system.

2- I don't see any way, shape or form they would put us in KC. A 4 seed 30 miles away? I would really be shocked if that happened. I think the war on KU comes to the brackets, and we won't even sniff KC.

Tonight could be a nice night for KU if Villanova beats Marquette, which they should. Marquette is being touted as a 3 seed, so a loss could knock them down a line...hopefully.

A lot left that could change. Tennessee, Houston, Marquette and Michigan all look like they could falter down the stretch.

But most importantly, if we just take care of our own business we will no doubt move up.

Here’s the view thru the crimson and blue spectacles: Watch the vultures circle while looking vulnerable most of the season. Right the ship. Watch as other teams falter under pressure🤞Win the conference on the way to a dominant March that no one outside of Jayhawk land saw coming. Hoist another banner.

HighEliteMajor said:

@truehawk93 I don’t think you and @Kcmatt7 are saying the same thing. He has them as a 4 seed. The breakdown above shows regions, so Kansas is the 4 seed in the KC region.

The only seeds that get regional consideration are the 1 seeds, maybe 2 to a degree. I doubt 3 or 4 will be given much regional consideration. I'will be pleasantly surprised if KU gets KC, maybe that will be their SOS reward?

I'm going on KU's SOS. Our resume is again one of the top 3 in the nation, regardless of our rank or seed.

Who knows? I'm surprised @Kcmatt7 doesn't have the Zags in 1 seed. There will be a shake up at the top next week, but don't think its going to impact the top seeds. Again, still some ball to play. Hopefully KU wins outright and maybe even wins B12 tourney. They may have a slim chance to get a good seed. But we all know who the media darlings are and the committee will likely overlook KU.

Kcmatt7 said:

A lot left that could change. Tennessee, Houston, Marquette and Michigan all look like they could falter down the stretch.

But most importantly, if we just take care of our own business we will no doubt move up.

There will be faltering in the B12. I just hope its not KU.

This team and season is looking very much like 1988. Think about the coincidences.

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This team was 9-5 in B8 and 27-11 overall. However, this year's team has a chance to win or at least tie for the conference title.

Hell, this '88 team wasn't even ranked in the top 25. I totally forgot about that impossibility.

Archie Marshall was injured and Doke is injured.

Manning and DLaw are not the same players but in similar roles.

Danny and the Miracles

DLaw and the Over Achievers?

So its not over til its over. The Hawks spread their wings as the fat lady sings. This was my fav because it was my freshman year.

Those teams in Yellow look to me like they will have drastic impacts on our situation. Either location or seeding.

Ideally, we pass up Tech or Purdue and get to play in Tulsa. But It'll take us closing out the season and a loss by either team.

Purdue's remaining schedule is : @ Minnesota and @ Northwestern

Tech's remaining schedule is: vs. Texas and @ Iowa State

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@Kcmatt7 Nice job, I agree. We need to Tech to lose to help us get into the Midwest and have a chance in the conference. MSU still as a 2 is shocking to me and I think them and LSU will help us out a bit. KSU should really be a 4 or 5, I know their non conference was weak but dang hard to imagine a team winning this conference (even if it's shared) and getting a 6 seed.

Net would’ve helped perceptions in 13. No way was that 10 loss team a 1 seed. A 3 seed flaming out vs Stanford would’ve been better optics.

I still think NET undervalued strength of schedule though. No way this years team should be ranked 20th. Nor should they be ranked 2 like RPI.

9-15 seems more appropriate to me at this point. The B12 tourney will likely determine where in that range barring a flame out.

Still no perfect ranking system.

@dylans

Maybe KU will have to retool its scheduling in the future. For many years they fine-tuned it through non-conference play to have a great SOS every season for the RPI and other criteria the committee was looking for. Now there's no reward for a hard schedule as long as you can play efficient basketball and run up the score. Why play Villanova in a Home/Home series if it doesn't benefit your NET for example. Of course the counter to that is you want to play good teams to "prepare". It seems like KU will have to adjust to this new ranking system accordingly to maximize it's seeding chances.

Another way of looking at this is the NET is actually pretty accurate at this point. You look at the Top 10 in the NET and I can't think of 1 team that doesn't belong there. If your good, your NET will reflect that. In KU's case we sit #16 as of today. Have good wins, have played a tough schedule but the inconsistencies in the season leave KU in the teens. A "good" KU team doesn't go 3-7 on the road nor have a bad loss to West Virginia. So the NET might have this team accurately ranked. KU is 4-2 vs teams ranked ahead of them in the NET and 8-4 vs the Top 30. When the media writes articles about teams that could be bracket busters KU should be one of those teams. Capable of beating anyone and also capable of losing to anyone

@BeddieKU23 The rating systems are weird to me anyway lol. I probably like Kenpom the best but even it makes me scratch my head at times, like right now ISU and Wisconsin are ahead of in their rankings. Crazy that an ISU team with a worse conference record and lower SOS is higher. The 2 worst brackets I've ever done I picked one off of RPI and one off of Kenpom.

@Kcmatt7 i don't think we'll be in the Midwest bracket unless the miraculous happens, and we end up as a 1 seed. They aren't going to put us in KC...40 miles away... as a 3 or 4 seed. The higher seeds would scream bloody murder.

@kjayhawks Last year my kenpom bracket performed the same as my wife’s mascot bracket.

@KUSTEVE I think we can get there as a 2 seed but we have to win both conference titles to do so. Be a little bit of revenge for us playing in Cali in 07 as a 1 seed, lol never mind we are kansas, it won't happen.

@dylans lol you never know. My moms side of the family used to do a bracket challenge up until a few years ago and that side of the family is huge (mom has 7 brothers and sister all with at least 2 kids but 1), I've won it several times. But the only time my mom has ever won was when she picked on who's team color she liked better. One of our office gals at work won last year because she was the only one to pick Loyola to the FF and called the UMBC upset by picking on mascots as well. One time my nephew won because he picked Butler to the NC because he thought their name was funny and that was the year they lost to Dook in the NC. Sometimes I think it's better to not know and guess lol. We can crunch numbers all day but in the end you can't predict someone getting hot for 30 or someone that averages 20 going cold and getting 5 points.

@kjayhawks Yeah, that madness is why I’d prefer a double elimination tournament of 16-32 teams. But the chaos is fun, just don’t expect the correct team to win every time.

@kjayhawks

KU actually passed them both this weekend. Wisconsin is #17 & Iowa St is #18.

It's going to take some getting used to as our minds have been worried about the RPI, strength of schedule and other criteria that used to be important to the committee. It looked like a mess earlier in the year but the more data it received the better its gotten imo.

It's still overvaluing some average teams (Florida #35, Saint Mary's #38, Clemson #40, Ohio St #43, Penn St #49 with a 12-17 record) but the system wasn't about to without P5 schools.

Some really good mid-major programs are again going to feel the squeeze. I think the mid-major programs this year are extremely strong. Think about Houston, Nevada, Wofford, Buffalo, UCF, Utah St all inside the Top 30.
Six additional non power schools in the Top 50. Some others that can win a tourney game or be competitive include Murray St, Toledo, Liberty, Vermont & South Dakota St. I hope some of these teams are rewarded for great seasons.

@BeddieKU23 Right and I like that idea, teams like Oklahoma from last year had no business being in IMO but I wish it would reward SOS a little more. I think Houston's a solid team but a 106th SOS shouldn't get rewarded with a great seed. At this point we would better off smoking crappy team than risking losses to good teams.

KUSTEVE said:

@Kcmatt7 i don't think we'll be in the Midwest bracket unless the miraculous happens, and we end up as a 1 seed. They aren't going to put us in KC...40 miles away... as a 3 or 4 seed. The higher seeds would scream bloody murder.

We could still get Tulsa or Des Moines (less likely) though for the first two games which would at least get us to a respectable point in the tourney even if we don't get in the Midwest.

The Midwest part of it, I don't agree with though. Very possible Tennessee or UK end up at Louisville as a 2 seed. Just the way it is... Competitive advantage I believe only takes action starting at the 5 seed. So I'd think we still have a shot at the Midwest region.

Am I wrong on this?

kjayhawks said:

@BeddieKU23 Right and I like that idea, teams like Oklahoma from last year had no business being in IMO but I wish it would reward SOS a little more. I think Houston's a solid team but a 106th SOS shouldn't get rewarded with a great seed. At this point we would better off smoking crappy team than risking losses to good teams.

Yep the NCAA just played itself. KU played 22 Q1 and Q2 games this season. Gonzaga has only played 14.

Why on Earth would you not just schedule a bunch of mediocre teams every season and try to rack up as many blowout wins as possible? That's apparently the criteria. Gonzaga is 2-2 against ranked teams this season and are somehow guaranteed a #1 seed.

Absurd.

I just hope the new ranking system doesn't screw up the fun early non-con schedules. But it seems like it might.

@Kcmatt7 I doubt you'll see the champions classic or some of the good tournaments go away but you may see teams not go quite as hard in finding good games. We may not play a Villanova type team in a couple of years and replace that game with a cupcake but I also know Self likes good SOS so who knows.

It doesn't matter if we're a 1 or a 16. Whether we play at AFH or Madison Square Garden. I'm going to fill out my bracket the same way I always do and KANSAS will be the last team standing.

nuleafjhawk said:

It doesn't matter if we're a 1 or a 16. Whether we play at AFH or Madison Square Garden. I'm going to fill out my bracket the same way I always do and KANSAS will be the last team standing.

All right - - you get some ATTABOY"S for that - -that's worth of a JUMPIN - - GEE HOSSA - - FATS for that and a ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KUSTEVE Yes Duke always winds up playing in NC.

Fightsongwriter said:

@KUSTEVE Yes Duke always winds up playing in NC.

UNC as well. Certainly not coincidence

@kjayhawks

Houston is 27-2 though and they are ranked #15 by Kenpom, one spot behind KU. Having a great season and I think they should be rewarded for it. Whether they are good enough to live up to say a #2 seed is up for debate. Until they lost to UCF over the weekend they had won 12 games in a row. Cincinnati and UCF are in the field who they have wins over in conference They did beat LSU, Oregon (when they were ranked with Bol Bol), BYU, Oklahoma St, Utah St in Non-Con play. Not a great resume which you've pointed out is reflected in their SOS.

Listening to their coach over the weekend their goal for the season was just to make the NCAA tournament again. They didn't think they were this good pre-season. They have shattered every expectation.

Kcmatt7 said:

kjayhawks said:

@BeddieKU23 Right and I like that idea, teams like Oklahoma from last year had no business being in IMO but I wish it would reward SOS a little more. I think Houston's a solid team but a 106th SOS shouldn't get rewarded with a great seed. At this point we would better off smoking crappy team than risking losses to good teams.

Yep the NCAA just played itself. KU played 22 Q1 and Q2 games this season. Gonzaga has only played 14.

Why on Earth would you not just schedule a bunch of mediocre teams every season and try to rack up as many blowout wins as possible? That's apparently the criteria. Gonzaga is 2-2 against ranked teams this season and are somehow guaranteed a #1 seed.

Absurd.

It's not as if Gonzaga ran away from competition in non-conference play though. Beating Power 5 schools like Texas A&M, Illinois, Arizona, Duke, Washington and losing at North Carolina and losing on neutral court to Tennessee. They certainly pass the eye test from what I've seen early in the season and in the last week (I watched them beat BYU & Saint Mary's). They won every conference game by double digits, that's impressive no matter what. Some of the teams they played just weren't as good as they traditionally are. I know their resume is what it is on paper but I don't think there are 4 better teams out there. Of course just my opinion

@BeddieKU23 First, I want to say I am thrilled with the Houston Cougars doing so well. Secondly, if they are a 2 seed under the new Net ratings, then we should immediately drop every difficult non conference game, and play the worst teams we can find, and run up the score. No more Dook or Sparty...schedule Div 1 patsies. As far as I can tell, Houston has played two games against the Top 25, and won them both. Big woop. Personal feelings aside, Houston has no business in any top 3 seeds discussion. Yet, here we are.

@KUSTEVE

First, I do think KU will look at how they schedule in the future and I'm sure others are looking at this as well. Nothing they could do this year with the NET coming out of nowhere. Next though I'm sure they could react accordingly but they already have a road game against Nova, Maui, the Champions Classic & the SEC Challenge scheduled. Not going to be easy even for next year it looks.

I disagree on the Houston part. They might have 30+ wins by tournament time. They have a big game against Cincinnati this weekend that likely will decide the league. If they win their league, win the conference tourney and have 30+ wins how does a team not deserve a high seed? Not their fault Wichita fell off or UConn can't get it together or Penny wasn't going to dominate College in year 1, SMU is down as well after some good years. Their league hasn't helped them and maybe its inflated their record a little bit but dang 27-2 isn't some walk in the park thing to do.

The NET rankings are not the end all be all when it comes to seeding. Just like the RPI wasn't it is just one tool they use. You could see that when the committee released their top 16 seeds about a month ago and KU was a 2 seed. At that time they were ranked 18th I believe in the NET. People get so wrapped up in one thing when it actuality the committee looks at so many different rankings and measures when it comes to seeding.

KU should absolutely not change anything about the way they schedule. Their are so many advantages to playing big time games.

@Woodrow Experience, seeding, exposure, tv money....

@BeddieKU23 It's always the age old question of looking at the team record versus strength of schedule. I have Houston playing 5 games against teams that should go to the NCAAs for the year, which is better than Gonzaga's 4 games. We have/ or will have played 20 games against teams that should make the NCAAs ( I included Texas and TCU, so that could drop all the way down to 16). Still...at 16 games ( worst case) against teams that should make the NCAAs, it is impossible for me to look at Houston, or even Gonzaga as teams ahead of us. If Gonzaga had played 12-16 more NCAA tournament teams this year, I wonder what their record would be. Same for Houston. Not saying these guys aren't great teams, or that they won't go far in the tournament, but I think if Gonzaga or Houston had played our schedule, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they ended up with a worse record than we have. I sure wouldn't mind being the 3 seed in a bracket that had Gonzaga as the 1 seed, and Houston as the 2.

Here's a pretty good seeding breakdown:

https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/ ↗ ↗

@KUSTEVE That is a cool site. Never heard of it before.

@KUSTEVE

I guess I see it differently then you but that's okay I'm enjoying the discussion regardless.

I wouldn't want to play either team in the tournament based on what I've seen of both teams recently. Gonzaga is better then KU which isn't easy to admit and I would put the Houston matchup as a toss up depending on how they close their season. I don't see many weaknesses in either team especially Gonzaga. We don't matchup well with Gonzaga at all. Doesn't mean KU couldn't win but we'd be a dog playing them.

I avoided including KU's SOS with the two teams because I don't think it matters whether KU played 17 more games against better competition or not. At what point has KU proven to be the better team so far? We lost that once Doke went down with the injury. It's March, I've never seen a correlation in playing the toughest schedule translating to March Success. When we look back at our losses in the tournament do you think we complain about not being prepared for the game in the regular season? I don't know what Gonzaga fans complain about when they exit the tournament but I doubt they are worried whether they played a tough enough schedule. Maybe they do, they do continue to play in a conference they are too good for these days. Few recruits and develops well enough these days where his players are just as good or comparable to his competition. Houston hasn't had success like Gonzaga but they have upperclassmen throughout their rotation and guys back from last years tourney run that now have experience. KU will have 7 guys who've never played in a tournament game suiting up. I stated in a prior post this KU team is good enough to beat anyone and lose to anyone.

It's a tough nut to crack. And it isn't that Gonzaga isn't good. They're very good.

It's that I think rewarding soft schedules is bullshit. It may be more accurate because of that. But you don't KNOW that. Gonzaga could have easily been a 6 loss team in another major conference and far from a guaranteed 1 seed. As it stands now, all they have to do is play a semi- tough Non-con, not completely suck, and then coast through their league to an easy one or two seed. They don't have to fight all season long like the rest of the country. They are allowed an off night without it hurting them because they played Portland State.

To me, that needs to be taken into account. They shouldn't be rewarded with the easiest path to a Championship possible just because they won a crappy league with ease. Even if they might be one of the top 4 teams in the country.

@Kcmatt7

There has to be checks and balances to it all. Gonzaga shouldn't be punished for the conference they play in (which I believe is ranked 8/32 overall). I know the perception of their league isn't good but what conference gets any respect outside the Power 5 these days. Could they move? Sure they could but where as a basketball school only? They are limited geographically. They probably would have made a move by now if there was a win/win for them?

Not rewarding teams regardless of conference is just slanting it towards the Power 5 even more. KU gets the benefit of being in the Big-12 and getting sometimes a dozen Q1 and Q2 games from that alone. The Big-12 is down this year but yet has 7-8 teams that could make the tournament and a few of them with losing conference records. Not exactly "fair" either. The Big-12 will always be rated in the Top 6 or so conferences in the country.

I don't know what the perfect fix is to rewarding teams. Gonzaga hasn't won a title yet despite their easier path most years. They did make the finals in 2016. If they win the title with the easy path- meaning they received a #1 seed because of easier schedule during regular season inflating their team record/reputation/perception then there's a legitimate gripe for the P5 squads that go through murder's row sometimes before March even hits.

We're 7-2 in last 9. and 5 out of 6. Normally that reads hot team, but the loss to TT obviously was really bad. Hard to gauge where this team stands right now. As has been discussed, a 2 or 3 is much more favorable than a 4. NCAA has been seeding the thing to get marquee matchups for each round, like when they put WSU on the 8 line and we were a 1, or making UNC an 8 a few years back and having us in the 2nd round. So I wouldn't be surprised if they put us with one of the bluebloods who will likely be a 1 seed and make us a 4. They'd love to see us in a sweet 16 match with a blue blood.

In order for this team to get to a 2 seed I think they need to win out and also get some help.
Duke, Zags, UVA, Tennessee, UK, Michigan, UNC, & Texas Tech, are all clearly way out ahead of KU. Actually now that I look at it I am not sure they can get a 2 seed. They for sure would have to win 5 straight games to be in the discussion.

@BeddieKU23 I think that the entirety of basketball needs a schedule overhaul that attempts to at least balance out schedules for comparisons sake and as much as logistics will allow...

In theory, you could have a shorter conference schedule, say 14 games max, 4-5 games of your choice (For the tournaments and Champions Classic types), and 12 "regional games" as competitive balance measure.

Off the top of my head, all teams not in the NET Top 130 are put in one pool to fill their schedule, while the Top 130 teams are split into ten 13-team groups and play 12 games against each other.

This would allow us to get 12 good looks at some of the smaller schools in a direct comparison against the big boys. At least this way, we could say that everyone got a fair shake...

Thoughts?

@Kcmatt7

The first question I have is how do you rate the Top 130 before the season starts. There is so much unpredictability with teams from year to year especially now with rampant transfers, coaches pole jumping for other schools that I think using the prior years ranking in the NET isn't fair enough, especially for mid-majors that usually rely on upperclassmen to build success while its easier for Power 5 and elite teams to just simply retool a whole starting 5 because they can recruit better players.

It's not a bad idea to give everyone a shake at a set of games against each other. I'm open to anything.

I think the 18 game conference slate is too many games especially in a 10 team league like the Big-12. I used to like the round robin schedule but even that has its drawbacks for the league overall.

@BeddieKU23 In my head this is how it would work:

• 5 games of any choosing. You can play tournaments or 5 tune ups. Whatever, doesn't matter.

• Then, start Conference play Dec. 1. Two- ish games a week for 8 weeks. Which would shake out to be late January.

• That's when the regionals start based off of the NET ranking from the first 18-19 Games. 6 weeks, two games a week.

• Then the Conference Tournament (if we still want to do this) and it would start at basically the exact the same time it always does.

Speaking of brackets, big 12 one. If we tied Tt, who would get the 2 seed? I heard if we tied KSU, we would. Not sure about second w/tt. Trying to figure work schedule.

@Crimsonorblue22 http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1520897 ↗

I think if we tied, we would end up the 2 seed, Tech the 1 and KSU the 3. It would come down to overall winning percentage I believe, since we all split.

@Kcmatt7 I mean, KSU 1, tt and us tied for 2nd. Didn't read that, busy

@Crimsonorblue22 I think we get the 2. Based on record vs. the next team in the standings..likely Baylor but mayber ISU.

@Kcmatt7

The chart showing #3 and #4 against the field all time is really illuminating. There's a much bigger difference between these seeds than I realized (4 seems much more likely to be upset by a lower seed.)

Thanks for sharing that.

As for where we would like to play-- I guess the only place that is safe is AFH this year. Unfortunately, being shipped to play 50 miles away might be too far for this team to feel a 'home' advantage.

KU is now a 4 seed in Lunardi's bracket and a 5 seed in Jerry Palm's (CBS) bracket. I think that is where they end up unless they lose Saturday and or Thursday night then I could see them even being a 6 seed.

Have to pray we can hold on to the 4 seed. And I think it will take quite a bit of urgency by this bunch to do so.

I'm not seeing how Indiana or Texas could get in at this point, I think they would've to at least make their conference championship games at this point.

@kjayhawks

Money

Conference champs that KU beat this season: Vermont, TTech, KState, Michigan State, Villanova and Wofford. Tennessee, Marquette somehow let conference leads slip away, or we could have had more. Of course most of those wins were KU with Doke and with Happy Vick. Still, we have an impressive body of work without any terrible losses despite our sorrows.

@wissox WVU was a terrible loss.

@Texas-Hawk-10 it really was, ASU is probably gonna end up in the tournament but those two games make the tournament in KC a must win IMO to get a 3 seed. The maddening part of is that we lead those game for like 68 minutes, the ASU game we didn’t trail til just over a minute left. I think if we’d won those and win in KC we would be in conversation for a 1 seed.

Lunardi has Texas still in at a 11 seed currently, if they lose to us Thursday no way they get in. They really shouldn’t be anyways but @BeddieKU23 said having a big fan base makes a difference generating money. I’m just trying to think of .500 team that got in or was even on the bubble (not winning conference tournament), I don’t know that I can name one. I thought that was a driving force in this new NET, to not get some of the below average power schools out. I’d rather see Lipscomb (beat TCU on the road and lost by 4 to Louisville) or Belmont in than Texas.

@kjayhawks

No team has ever made it as an at-large with 16 losses. They won't be in if they lose Thursday. Heck even if they win Thursday and lose after they still will have 16 losses. They should have to make the final and make it entertaining to get a bid. Crazy how much wins against UNC and KU are helping them.

I hope the committee puts the end to these mediocre teams making the field. 15 loss teams deserve the NIT

wissox said:

Conference champs that KU beat this season: Vermont, TTech, KState, Michigan State, Villanova and Wofford. Tennessee, Marquette somehow let conference leads slip away, or we could have had more. Of course most of those wins were KU with Doke and with Happy Vick. Still, we have an impressive body of work without any terrible losses despite our sorrows.

agree. I just think if and I Realize that's a BIG IF but if we roll - if Quentin continues to show a little more upside - If Dave can compete which he has been and showing improvement then there is no reason why we can't play in this Big 12 Championship game and get through the 1st weekend of the tourney.

However I just feel that anything past the sweet sixteen would just be pure gravy - - I just don't see anything after that - -just not consistent enough - -unless we can take better care of ball control, shore up the defensive effort a lot better. -I'd say a sweet sixteen would be the ultimate for the guys this year. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Saw bracketology this morning - -Jerry Palm & Joe have Kentucky & Duke in the same region - pretty tough. - -Got us in as a 4 in the same region I think it was the East with #1 Virginia

@jayballer73 hope not. I don't want to see UVA.

@approxinfinity

Earliest they'd meet is the Sweet 16. Virginia could always lose in the first round again as well. Additionally if this team makes the S16 I'm considering it a successful season. I'll be happy with 1 tourney win tbh

Bracketville (Typically one of the better ones) has us as a 4 seed in Louisville with UNC, Tennessee and Purdue. As well as a struggling Marquette as the 5 seed.

I would not be unhappy with this.

@Kcmatt7

Can we book it today!

We should also be thinking about possible 11, 12 and 13 seeds we don't want to see. Vermont, St. Johns, Murray St., Temple, New Mexico St (though they wouldn't do a rematch I don't think).

@HighEliteMajor I'd rather not get depressed. Ohio State or Clemson could be a 12 seed if we end up losing Thursday and we end up a 5 seed. I think we would lose to either team.

If brackets are truly fair, the Big 12 should only get 6 or 7 teams in. There's no reason that all three of Texas, Oklahoma and TCU should make the field. Similarly, both Clemson and NC State from the ACC should have some work to do to get into the tournament. I'd have similar questions for Minnesota, Ohio State and Indiana. Of those 8 major conference teams, I would argue that maybe 4 should make the field instead of all 8 (For me, it would be TCU, NC State and Minnesota only, but the committee probably picks more).

Being mediocre in a major conference should not get you into the tournament. Indiana is mediocre. So is Oklahoma. So is basically everyone in the PAC-12. If the PAC-12 wasn't considered a major conference, they would only be sending their champ to the dance.

It's time for the NCAA tournament to stop rewarding the mediocre teams in major conferences. I watched Murray State and Belmont on Saturday. Both of those teams looked like NCAA tournament teams (9 losses between them). And yet some major conference team with 13 losses will probably go to the tournament ahead of Belmont (the loser in the conf. title game). Mid majors and low majors only get two or three shots at good wins each year, usually on the road. Look at Oklahoma's road record against potential tournament teams - lost at KU, Texas, K-State, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Baylor, won at TCU. Didn't play another non-con road game against a potential tourney team. You can do this with almost every "bubble team" from a major conference and find almost no quality road wins. Why should Oklahoma get credit for going 1-5 against KU, K-State and Tech. NC State's best conference win is either Clemson at home or Syracuse at home. If you gave Belmont home games with UNC, Virginia, and Virginia Tech and road games at Duke, Florida State, Louisville and UNC, they would do no worse than 0-7, which is exactly the mark that NC State posted in those games.

approxinfinity said:

@jayballer73 hope not. I don't want to see UVA.

you and me either one - - that would not be good.

HighEliteMajor said:

We should also be thinking about possible 11, 12 and 13 seeds we don't want to see. Vermont, St. Johns, Murray St., Temple, New Mexico St (though they wouldn't do a rematch I don't think).

Actually I think Ol Joey has us matched against Murray state if I remember right. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

@approxinfinity

Earliest they'd meet is the Sweet 16. Virginia could always lose in the first round again as well.

Lol, they won't. They didn't shoot the 3 nearly as much last year as this year. Their pace of play has sped up, their scoring averages have increased, and they'll have 3 long althetic two way players in Hunter, Diakete and Huff that they didn't have last year.

@approxinfinity

I agree I don't see them leaving early this yr. They will be motivated to win those early round games. However if Self has a week to prepare for a team that's his best chance and getting to play the underdog role..

I see no chance Virginia goes home in the first round again. That was the law of averages finally kicking in, statically it should've already happened a few times before that. I did get pleasure in it not being us and after several experts said we could lose to Penn(highest rated 16 seed since 2013, whom we also faced). Murray State is a team I want no part of. Georgia State, Vermont and them are some teams that could be sleepers.

kjayhawks said:

Murray State is a team I want no part of.

Worked out pretty well the last time we played them :)

After seeing some upset again today to top seeds in some of the non power conferences. I don't think TCU or TEXAS gets in and I honestly agree with it. I've stated several times how I'm not sold on this league but this new system was supposed to help some of those smaller teams and prevent an OU type deal from last year from being a OAD.

Currently Lunardi has us as a 4 seed with Duke the 1 in the south. That’s something we would love to avoid. Let’s get a win tonight and get up to the 3 line!! Rock Chalk.

Hmmm .. in a year where we’re down. Maybe the chance to upset Duke could be the greatest opportunity of the season? Wouldn’t that be sweet?

@HighEliteMajor I can’t think of many things better than ending Duke’s season two years in a row.

I don't think we should be lower than a 3 seed right now. If we win today we're securely a 3 and arguably a 2.

I think KU has to win tonight to have a chance at a 3 seed. They have zero shot at a 2.

Gonzaga, Virginia, Duke, UK, Sparty, UNC, Tennessee , and Michigan will be the top 8 seeds.

They should be a 3-seed right now. Florida St and Kansas should be on the 3-line and LSU and Purdue should be on the 4-line. Purdue is a 3-seed ahead of Kansas. Kansas (23-8) has a better record than Purdue (23-9). Kansas has more Quad 1 wins and a better SOS (11 and 1, respectively) than Purdue (7 and 14, respectively). It's an error to have Purdue ahead of Kansas right now. LSU played a weak non-conference. They lost to Florida St head-to-head. They lost to Oklahoma St by 13. They have a weaker SOS and fewer Quad 1 wins than Kansas. If Kansas wins today they are a lock for a 3-seed. I agree they probably won't jump anyone as a 2-seed, but you could argue by the numbers that they deserve it.

We could beat Duke without zion

@KirkIsMyHinrich A big difference between Kansas and LSU and Purdue is that LSU and Purdue each won their regular conference titles. The SEC and B10 are very good leagues and you have to be a good team to win those leagues.

@Texas-Hawk-10

The big 10 had 9 teams with losing records in conference play. What a great conference

@Texas-Hawk-10 Purdue only had to play Michigan, Wisconsin, Maryland, and Iowa 1 time in conference play because of schedule imbalance. LSU got Alabama twice, Georgia twice, Florida twice, Arkansas twice, and Texas A&M twice. They only had to play Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina, Mississippi St, and Ole Miss one time. In fact, LSU only had to play one ranked team on the road in conference play and that was at Kentucky. Regular season titles mean less in conferences where you see huge schedule imbalances like the Big 10 and SEC.

BeddieKU23 said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

The big 10 had 9 teams with losing records in conference play. What a great conference

Not 9 teams and the top and middle of the B10 are still better than the top and middle of the B12 this year.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Your right it was only 8. Not much of a
Difference. We disagree about anything else

@HighEliteMajor Who would guard zion? We have no one who could...ot their big guy for that matter. They would beat us by 30 I hate to say.

@BeddieKU23, @Texas-Hawk-10 is just in an argumentative mood here lately. He just said how much better he thought the b10 was than the B12 tho hes been giving me shit about saying the b12 is weak.😁

kjayhawks said:

@BeddieKU23, @Texas-Hawk-10 is just in an argumentative mood here lately. He just said how much better he thought the b10 was than the B12 tho hes been giving me shit about saying the b12 is weak.😁

When have I said the B12 is better than the B10 this season?

I've gotten called out for saying the B12 only deserves 5 bids this year and that OU and Texas shouldn't have been anywhere near the bubble. I still don't think OU or TCU really deserve bids this year.

In years past, I've argued the B12 is better, but the B12 is running 4th this year behind the ACC, B10, and SEC.

@Texas-Hawk-10 short memory my friend. I said a few days ago I thought the B12 maybe after the first weekend and you gave shit about it.

@kjayhawks How does me saying Texas Tech was the only B12 team I would pick to make a deep run the same as saying the B12 is a great league this year. The B12 was damn good last year sending 3 to the E8. This year outside of KU when healthy, the B12 was severely lacking in quality nonconference wins this year.

@Fightsongwriter Come on, man ... Villanova beat G’town in ‘85. Who was going to guard Ewing? And Zion is no Ewing. Duke is not invincible. We might beat Duke one out of ten times. But we’d only play them once. You’ve heard of upsets? Right? Duke lost a 2/15 deal once. We lost to freaking Northern Iowa

Hope! Faith! Even if it seems impossible.

@HighEliteMajor You did not answer the question.

@Texas-Hawk-10 ok, and I also said repeatedly that Tech "could" make a deep run. Just said I'm not expecting much from the conference. Then you referenced last year which I agree and haven't disputed was a solid year for the B12. Heck Vermont could make a run, not even Sister Jean had Loyola to FF last year lol. Maybe I just took it the wrong way no biggie my friend.

@Fightsongwriter No one on this team is capable of guarding Zion effectively. So I concede that point. We’d have to try to try to flash double him. Make him pass. Step in his lane. Push him from the basket. Team concept. Hope he gets 18 not 30. Great players also have off nights. Do I sound as stupid as I think I sound? Ok -- it's the NCAA tourney. Big upsets happen. That might be better.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Fightsongwriter No one on this team is capable of guarding Zion effectively. So I concede that point. We’d have to try to try to flash double him. Make him pass. Step in his lane. Push him from the basket. Team concept. Hope he gets 18 not 30. Great players also have off nights. Do I sound as stupid as I think I sound? Ok -- it's the NCAA tourney. Big upsets happen. That might be better.

only thing is ok - we can flash double down low - -what about when he takes you out on the floor - -he can hit the outside J too dribbles like a point guard. - using a Ewing -- Williamson comparison isn't that close - -totally type of player.

You would never see Ewing take the ball out as far in the open space - ball handling skills - -Zion runs circles around Ewing with ball handling skills - the things that Zion can do - is crazy complete all around player. - -Ewing played a lot more inside - -sur he could step out some and hit the J - but Zion is just a much better complete overall skilledplayer

If Self goes to Chicago, who is your #1 target ?

Will Wade 😂

Maybe a really good attorney? At least for the next few years.

I’ve seen two final brackets from People that have KU as the 4 in the MW with UNC as the 1. Boy would Roy bitch and moan about that.

Woodrow said:

I’ve seen two final brackets from People that have KU as the 4 in the MW with UNC as the 1. Boy would Roy bitch and moan about that.

Ya I saw us as a 4 in the Midwest playing St Louis that's insane -the Other I saw I think it was in the East as a 4

WHOA! Lunardi got 23% right this year. Including all four obvious #1s. (minus those #1s he was a whopping 18.75% correct. Give him a bonus, ESPN, or hire a random fan off the street who could probably predict a more accurate bracket. :rolling_eyes: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Also note, Lunardi picked (at best) 1 of 32 first round matchups if NC Central gets past Iona. That's useless. This guy should be selling used cars.

@DanR at least they could find a good lookin guy! Maybe an ex coach or past player, anyone besides him! Was he a coach?

@Crimsonorblue22 Hey, I ain't sayin' anything about the way he looks. In fact, I'll give him some serious props for getting his ugly ass mug on TV from January to March.

Just FYI “bracketologist” are graded on how many teams out of the 68 they get right and if they get them within 1 seed line.

So does he have a bracketology degree?🤣 what did qualify him? I'm serious.

@Woodrow what is considered good for that? I figured him to be at about 64%

http://bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html ↗

This is a link ranking bracketologists over the past 3 years. Lunardi is not good, but he's better than Jerry Palm at CBS.

As far as mainstream media figures go, Brad Evans at Yahoo is the best, but he's not even top 30.

Lunardi isn't even the best at ESPN as that honor goes to Jeff Borzello who was ranked 34th.

Lunardi is 63% for seeding. (cough big deal) O% for first round matchups.

@Texas-Hawk-10 thanks for that link. I was curious about how other people graded the prognosticators. I'm basing my opinions about how often I saw Lunardi (and his followers/ESPN) discussing possible first and second round matchups--in February. I know there's nothing else to talk about except Zion's breakfast, but... :dizzy_face:

Using the final results from past matrices, each site was graded based on a scoring system made by Paymon at PHSports. This rubric awards 3 points for each team correctly picked, 3 points for each team correctly seeded, and 1 point for each team not seeded correctly but within one seed line. With 68 teams, a perfect score is 408. The variance section of the data table below lists the absolute deviation between each score and the mean for that particular year. Thus, a 10 point variance means that site's bracket scored 10 points higher than the average bracket that year.

@DanR Unfortunately, Zion has been having other teams for breakfast, so ESPN's review will continue.

For all of our whining about their focus on Zion, he is one of the most amazing college players I have ever seen. Let's face it: We gripe so much that, if he were at KU, and if they gave him the same level of attention as they do now, we would probably still complain that ESPN was not giving us our due.

@mayjay The thing is, if he were at KU, he wouldn't be getting this much attention. It wouldn't be the non-stop Zion-fest. I'm not a great complainer on this topic when I see ESPN promote the ACC so vigorously. I understand that ESPN is a money making venture, so they gear their marketing to what might be most attractive to the bigger markets. Middle America is not the bigger markets.

But the Zion-fest, the focus on one player, is out of control.

A great example was Michael Beasley. He was a better college player than Zion. He absolutely dominated. There wasn't 1/4 of this crap we see on ESPN now.

And I don't think the point is that Zion is or isn't "amazing." We all agree that he is amazing. But what appears to be the singular focus on one player is ridiculous. Men's CBB is much more than Zion Williamson, or any one player.

I just turn the channel.

@BeddieKU23 "We could beat Duke without Zion"

Says every team in the country. Lol.

IDK Wiggins mania was a bit ridiculous and he wasn’t nearly as good as Zion.

Zion is amazing; the coverage is too much. The kid is amazing and didn’t ask to be over exposed, so I’m trying not to hold that against him. ESPN on the other hand is a bunch of douche nozzles for thinking we all care about Duke that much. It’s just Zion the casual fans want to see.

@nuleafjhawk How about KU with Doke, DeSousa, and a Vick with his head on straight? What ifs, of course. But I think we'd be the favorite. Like Dee Ford lining up offside. What could have been.

Wigs didn't get anywhere near the hype throughout the season as Zion has. Maybe it's because Zion is better than him but Dook is always getting more media attention than anyone else.

I rate Zion as the #2 college player I have ever seen, behind KD. KD wasn't near the presence down low or the rebounder Zion is but Zion ain't hitting 30 footers with guys in his face.

@HighEliteMajor

ESPN ran the hype train with Trae Young last year but this years darling is on a much deeper level. Zion is easier to like I think as well and his dunks are exciting so I think fans of CBB, casual fans have an easier time staying in awe over his plays.

We couldn't even hide from the Zion train during our own games this past week. Zion updates, Zion features, Zion promo's, Zion scoring updates, color announcers talking about Zion during our game. Seems like an all out company initiative where their paychecks depend on it

nuleafjhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 "We could beat Duke without Zion"

Says every team in the country. Lol.

tou·ché

@kjayhawks I don't know how old you are, but KU used to have a fairly decent guy named Danny Manning.

@HighEliteMajor I totally agree. If we had those guys (maybe even without De sousa) we have #15 in hand, we're a #1 seed - probably THE number one seed and we're all making travel plans to Minnesota.

Pat Forde at his best. Never a dull moment for the IDIOT

Bill Self (50), Kansas. Better make some hay before the posse arrives. As successful as he's been, Self's future would seem to be in doubt going forward.

@nuleafjhawk Imagine the hype Wilt would have gotten if there was an ESPN back then! Danny was great but Wilt was a once in a lifetime game changer.

BeddieKU23 said:

Pat Forde at his best. Never a dull moment for the IDIOT

Bill Self (50), Kansas. Better make some hay before the posse arrives. As successful as he's been, Self's future would seem to be in doubt going forward.

Is he saying the school might fire him?

@wissox Can you imagine what it would have been like if they had ESPN and he played for DUKE ????

Woodrow said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Pat Forde at his best. Never a dull moment for the IDIOT

Bill Self (50), Kansas. Better make some hay before the posse arrives. As successful as he's been, Self's future would seem to be in doubt going forward.

Is he saying the school might fire him?

Missouri grad. Enough said!

@nuleafjhawk I was born the last year Danny was was here aka Danny and the Miracles he's great but Idk if he's the best.

@BeddieKU23 I was just making sure I was reading it correctly without the context of the article. Pat is a load of garbage

The same Pat Forde that was butt buddies with Rick Pitino? LMAO since when does that fool have a clue.

@kjayhawks The best is all pretty subjective. For me, Wilt was the best ever - EVER.

But, Danny was one of the best at KU for several reasons:

He was a great scorer.

He was a great rebounder.

He was a very good free throw shooter.

He was a good passer.

He had a great attitude.

He was smart.

@nuleafjhawk team player, humble, stayed around, not a brotherhood guy

@Crimsonorblue22 YES!!

I'm at work and got busy, but the 4 year thing was going to be one of my main points. Thank you.

kjayhawks said:

The same Pat Forde that was butt buddies with Rick Pitino? LMAO since when does that fool have a clue.

He has no clue but CBS keeps giving him a platform so its our duty to call him out for it every single time. He's straight garbage

@nuleafjhawk No question Danny would be in my 25 of all time great NCAA players. I think Wilt is the GOAT in the NBA, both guys are top 3 KU greats with Clyde Lovellette IMO. Crazy to imagine how much Wilt could've done with a shot clock.

Danny Manning has been described as the greatest college basketball player ever. He's certainly in the conversation, because of all the characteristics mentioned above. But he's certainly better than any player in the current era because nobody even close to his skill set stays in college 4 years. He was phenomenally skilled, smart, and by the 1988 tournament he had 4 years of playing experience under a hall of fame coach (Larry Brown). We won't find anybody that skilled and well-developed in the NCAA again, until the NBA bumps its age minimum to 21 (which it would never do).

Danny may be less well known than others whose NBA careers were not cut short by injury. But as a college player in his 4th year, he's hard to beat.

Greatness is a function of both skill and experience. The older I get, the more I value experience (as my skills in everything fade!).

@tundrahok u r getting wiser my friend! Stay humble!

Zion the greatest ever? Hardly. He's good...but Durant is, and was, by far a better player and more exciting to watch. If Zion did what Durant did in the following, ESPN would be talking about it...FOREVER.

Also...if you go to 1:32:13 .... merely a preview to "the shot" of 2008.

I just watched 2 replays of Northeastern and I'm not impressed. A 2/3 zone defense that's easily penetrated with a drive. #12 shoots the ball quickly and only 3's. #22 launches it from everywhere on his side of the court. #30 is the "big" guy who's responsible for rebounds and doesn't block out. The other big does the same every time he tries score...get ball in middle of paint...spin left and push in to lay it in with right hand. They'll shoot 35 3's...if they make 20...they have their one shining moment. I change my prediction. 23 point win.

Little trivia time guys - now without looking it up - can anyone tell us -- how many 3's has AUBURN attempted this yr? - -your just gonna have to take a guess DO NOT CHEAT - - lol.- -ROK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

For a frame of reference we shot 702 threes and our opponents shot 864.

@jayballer73
I know absolutely nothing about Auburn. So I'll guess 500. And you'll probably tell me they shoot a lot and not a little. :)

@approxinfinity 900🤣

@jayballer73 I'll guess twelve.

@jayballer73 1103

@Fightsongwriter hmmm thinking maybe you looked it up? - ya thought so lmao

@Fightsongwriter na just playing with you - -that's not it but close

@jayballer73 WARG

approxinfinity said:

For a frame of reference we shot 702 threes and our opponents shot 864.

@jayballer73
I know absolutely nothing about Auburn. So I'll guess 500. And you'll probably tell me they shoot a lot and not a little. :)

LOL ya coming form the local Radio sports talk coming out of here in Topeka - -Auburn had shot 1,000 3 pt shots - -now if that's 1003 - -1,050 they said 1000 - -that's a lot. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

was reported from the local sports talk - -Auburn had shot 1,000 3 pt attempts - -that's ALOT. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer73 To be precise, Auburn has made 1,012 attempts from 3-pt range, for the season. According to ESPN.

I had to look it up, you made me curious!

tundrahok said:

@jayballer73 To be precise, Auburn has made 1,012 attempts from 3-pt range, for the season. According to ESPN.

I had to look it up, you made me curious!

it's ok my friend - -all I know they shoot a lot. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Here's one tip on picking a bracket upset. Rick Barnes has not made it past the first weekend in his last 7 NCAA tournament appearances which includes last year as a 2 seed at Tennessee and his final 6 appearances while still at Texas.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Here's one tip on picking a bracket upset. Rick Barnes has not made it past the first weekend in his last 7 NCAA tournament appearances which includes last year as a 2 seed at Tennessee and his final 6 appearances while still at Texas.

I think I'll just go ahead and ride with Ol Ricky boy this year and his cast - -they call me the gambler lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

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Please, please, please

@KUSTEVE Back from the wilderness, eh?

I love how the update says how much time between the last post on the topic. Makes me laugh because I hear it on sponge bob as “a few moments later”. Lol

@kjayhawks Hell I'm having a really hard time finding the beginning or the latest on any of these topics I click on the title and it shoots me clear back to the cave days early 2019, frustrating

@jayballer73 clicking on the title takes you to the last unread post and clicking on the right side takes you to the end of the thread I believe.

Man, I'll tell you one thing, gotta be quick on your toes to post something when the game thread is real time.

I was just scrolling through Bracketology and the Bubble Watch for the first time this year. This is the worst I've ever seen it.

Let's take a quick look:

Purdue 13-10- You have 10 losses, how are you currently projected in and it's February. 10 of 13 wins at home. 4 wins against ranked teams at home. 2-6 on the road.

Wichita St- a projected #7 seed. best wins against 2 "last four in" teams. 13 wins at home (of 17) a #7 seed?, Ha

Indiana- #10 seed- 3 wins at home against ranked teams, losing conference record, 12 of 15 wins at home.

Michigan- #8 seed, 4-7 conference record, 3-6 in their last 9 games. A #8 seed?

Wisconsin- #8 Seed- 10 losses, 10 of 13 at home.

Arkansas- #9 seed- best win against Indiana a projected 10 seed.

They really going to let 11 Big-10 teams in?

WSU might have fallen off that 7 after last pm, the fans are a grumbling!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Bracketology Time:

WSU might have fallen off that 7 after last pm, the fans are a grumbling!

Even worse some of them were chanting "f ku" with 15 seconds to go after they hit a 3 and went up 2. They fouled Cincinnati on and-1 and lost.

keeping it classy I see

It's gonna be such bullshit when Wichita is our 8/9 and Michigan State is our 5 seed.

@BShark said in Bracketology Time:

It's gonna be such bullshit when Wichita is our 8/9 and Michigan State is our 5 seed.

Neither team could beat KU this year

@BeddieKU23 Wichita could easily do it. They are a good team.

@BeddieKU23 I heard they did that. Did u hear them?

@BShark not so sure, they don't have anyone as quick as dot. Fans aren't happy w/Marsha, thinking nit.

It's gonna be real interesting to see who gets the 1 seed in the East region this year. Baylor appears set to be the 1 in the south, KU has a good road to 1 seed in the Midwest, and SDSU and Gonzaga seem pretty well locked into the 1 and 2 seeds out west in whichever order. I just can't see both of those two ending up as 1 seeds.

That 4th 1 seed out east should be interesting to watch between Duke, Louisville, and Dayton as a dark horse. I could also see Dayton ending up as our 2 seed in the Midwest.

I personally hope stuff happens that puts KU in the South regional since that's in Houston this year and I could go see a KU in the NCAA tournament in person for the second time. My other time seeing a KU tournament game in person was the 2018 Final Four against Nova in San Antonio. I would highly recommend going to a Final Four at some point if KU makes it or even if it's within driving distance because the atmosphere was amazing with all the non basketball activities going on.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Bracketology Time:

@BeddieKU23 I heard they did that. Did u hear them?

Saw the video posted on Facebook of it.

@BShark said in Bracketology Time:

@BeddieKU23 Wichita could easily do it. They are a good team.

I haven't seen that from them. I watched last nights game and thought our guards would eat theirs alive. They defend pretty well as most Greg teams do but I think our defense would really bother them. Just IMO

@BeddieKU23 can u post it here?

@Crimsonorblue22

I'll try and find it

The In-Season NCAA Bracket reveal is tomorrow at 12:30. Believe they are doing the Top 4 seeds?

@BeddieKU23 said in Bracketology Time:

The In-Season NCAA Bracket reveal is tomorrow at 12:30. Believe they are doing the Top 4 seeds?

They do the top 16

Edits Yes top 4 in each region

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@Texas-Hawk-10 Ditto on the Final Four. An amazing atmosphere, even if you don't have a ticket.

I was fortunate enough to see two of them, though neither had the Jayhawks in it...1984 with Georgetown (w/Ewing) vs. Houston (Olajuwon & Phi Slama Jama), and 1995, when UCLA (Tyus Edney & the O'Bannons) beat defending champ Arkansas.

Always enjoyed watching the Friday practices too, which I believe are still open to the public. Got to see "Big Country" Reeves shatter a backboard with one of his dunks.

Of course I wish I could've been at the 1988 finals, but even seeing one in person as a neutral was well worth it.

Oops, my fading brain cells almost forgot the 2005 Final Four in St. Louis...UNC over Illinois. Wasn't really rooting for either, but when some Illini fans started acting like jerks before the game I kinda leaned toward the Heels. "Act like you been there before !"

@BShark said in Bracketology Time:

It's gonna be such bullshit when Wichita is our 8/9 and Michigan State is our 5 seed.

And Villanova or Auburn is our #4 seed.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Bracketology Time:

@BShark said in Bracketology Time:

It's gonna be such bullshit when Wichita is our 8/9 and Michigan State is our 5 seed.

And Villanova or Auburn is our #4 seed.

Eh bring on who ever. We’ll take em