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Did not end up working out for the Hawks.

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Really starting to feel like good news could be on its way...

If he is turning down private workouts for NBA teams he either feels very very good about his appeal or is not very smart. He seems like a pretty bright kid so...

@Woodrow but then there's his guardian? Or manager or handler

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@Woodrow but then there's his guardian? Or manager or handler

I'm sure that he has an agent advising him through this process and Fenny isn't the one calling the shots.

@Kcmatt7

Good stuff!

Part of the new agent rule is you can’t miss class to go to a team workout. Maybe he had class?

I think I leave this tea leaf remaining in the pot. So many things could change his NBA workout plans, including the team moving in a different direction.

I mean, if it was scheduled, I'd think they would have all of that figured out. Or he would have done his workout today or tomorrow instead.

Maybe we will hear something today...

Ha.

BShark said:

Maybe we will hear something today...

Ha.

pssssssssssssst. Ya like there IS NO NEWS lmao. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well, TODAY is a good day for GOOD NEWS.... Hoping to hear.

I bet they know.

Kcmatt7 said:

Did not end up working out for the Hawks.

Just so you know I was crestfallen until I read the article. Good news, not the Jayhawks, the Atlanta Hawks!

This now becomes the Million dollar Question. - -Silvio has till the 29th of May to withdraw his name from the NBA Draft. - The Timer has officially began to tick - - So let's look and trying to justify things:

He turned down the G league invite - - -He didn't do his one workout/tryout of I thing the Hawks? right? - - He didn't get invited to the NBA Combine - - -Sooo the question is -- Will he pull his name out before the May 29th deadline - - - -OR will he stay in? - - holler at me what ya think - - speak up - - let your voice be heard. - - ROC CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Silvio DID work out for the Jazz yesterday.

Kcmatt7 said:

Silvio DID work out for the Jazz yesterday.

you blame him? - quite Frankly I sure don't

jayballer73 said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Silvio DID work out for the Jazz yesterday.

you blame him? - quite Frankly I sure don't

Just updates. Not saying or guessing anything one way or another.

Kcmatt7 said:

jayballer73 said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Silvio DID work out for the Jazz yesterday.

you blame him? - quite Frankly I sure don't

Just updates. Not saying or guessing anything one way or another

I understand buddy - hard to guess - -Hope nothing but the best for our boy

Well , Dam . - -These idiots that are suppose to making the decision on Silvio's appeal sure are not making things easy for Silvio.

I mean come on , these trials with the FBI thing is over, - these guys have had the information they need - and probably for some time now , have heard from numerous sites - read articles that this thing shouldn't take that long , so what the hell is the holdup? - -Is it they just screwing things because he is a kid that plays for KU - -seems like these guys have a hardon for KU

They making it really hard on De Sousa - - -he only has until the 29th to withdraw from the NBA draft - -and I think Silvio REALLY wants to play at least this coming season at KU - and these guys are going to force his decision , if this goes past the 29th - then REALLY I don't see any other choice for Silvio but to STAY in the draft.

We can't blame him if that is what it comes too. - -Hell these dip sticks could screw with his appeal for half the season and in the end run still dent his appeal. - For the kids sake just make a ruling for Christs sakes - - good or bad for him - -just get it over with and let this guy get on with his life with some finality - I mean JUMPIN - - GEE - - HOSSA - - FATS. - you know - - -we know - - -I know - -you got everything right there in front of you to make this ruling , get of your as and just make it already. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

When Silvio made his ultimatum it let the NCAA off the hook. Do nothing and he goes away. There likely needs to be a lawsuit to make them pay attention. The flip side is maybe they have ruled against Silvio, but are granting KU/Silvio more time to plead their case. It doesn’t look good for Silvio at this time imho.

@dylans I suspect you are correct .. it seems that the ruling has been made, and it was negative, just not made public knowledge yet. If it was positive, we'd know.

This is the first I saw this. I apologize if someone posted this earlier.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5972717-Silvio-De-Sousa-appeal-letter.html?sidebar=false ↗

HighEliteMajor said:

@dylans I suspect you are correct .. it seems that the ruling has been made, and it was negative, just not made public knowledge yet. If it was positive, we'd know.

Ya Probably

Maybe, glass half full person, he's been cleared and they are sitting on it too?

I don't think they'd be sitting on it one way or the other. I don't see how that benefits anyone.

@Kcmatt7

Agree with you here. Him being eligible would be positive news for the program and recruiting to build around him. Can't see how sitting on that helps anyone

@jayballer73 They should be sued for idiocy. Just make a freaking decision already!

Fightsongwriter said:

@jayballer73 They should be sued for idiocy. Just make a freaking decision already!

ya that's my point too. - -I mean come on - one way or another

They already made a decision once, we just didn't like it so told them to make a decision again... AND THINK REAL HARD THIS TIME. Now do it faster! Lol, fans!

I wonder, can the school release the decision on SDS without SDS's consent? I don't know ... but it would seem on its face to be similar to academic info.

@approxinfinity The same people aren't making this decision though. The appeals committee is a different group of people and I don't believe they're employed by the NCAA.

approxinfinity said:

They already made a decision once, we just didn't like it so told them to make a decision again... AND THINK REAL HARD THIS TIME. Now do it faster! Lol, fans!

😂 😂 😂

@approxinfinity Following your line they should thus have a quick decision. Bureaucracy, lol!!

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2019/may/19/jeff-long-ncaa-needed-more-information-ku-after-in/ ↗

Jeff Long states the NCAA needed more info after the initial appeal. That seems to be the hold up. Either that or it was a NO and they are just appealing again? Who knows. We should know by 2026

Lol

If true, maybe it's good .. because when more info is requested, then the fact finder may need confirmation on an item we asserted, that may be helpful. Asking might indicate it might help; or maybe it's bad, because we may have asserted something that they did not think was verifiable, and asked that it be verified. Meaning to confirm we were full of it.

Or, the cow jumped over the moon.

@HighEliteMajor my question is, when did they ask for it and when did we send it? So vague. Why hasn't this been told to us before now? None of our business, maybe!

We'll get a decision May 30th, the day after the last day of declaration of staying/returning.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@HighEliteMajor my question is, when did they ask for it and when did we send it? So vague. Why hasn't this been told to us before now? None of our business, maybe!

My understanding is they feel good enough about their chances that they don’t want this played out in the press

@Kcmatt7
Yeah, the agent is called a lawyer to protect his interests. Doesn’t appear the NCAA wants to protect a student athlete. This kid WANTS to play and continue his NCAA education. The NCAA should be helping, not discouraging him.

Whatever, AND we hurry and WAIT

@Crimsonorblue22 I think what @FarmerJayhawk said makes some sense. But the "state secret" nature of all of this makes me think it is just a student privacy matter.

@truehawk93 Nothing is stopping him from continuing his education. So that's a non-issue. He went to school this past year. It's that playing thing that is problematic when you (or your agent) takes money and breaks the rules. The drama voiced on behalf of SDS is just tiring to me (I don't tire easily). You said "The NCAA should be helping, not discouraging him" -- if there are not rules, i.e., CHEATING, then there is no CBB as we know it. And a lot of kids "WANT" to play CBB and can't because they don't have the natural talent. The unfairness of it is overwhelming.

That all said, I think we all agree that it is not unreasonable for the suspension to just be the one season. But I have the unfortunate opinion that banning him two seasons is not unreasonable either, when you take big sums of money. I won't be offended either way.

Ah, but that FF banner coming down and sitting out the tourney may be the next shoe to drop on the SDS affair. Unfair?

Could it be the ncaa gave an ultimatum....well give you sds next year but you take down the final four banner and give up all wins and return your 14th rings...or keep the banner and the rings and the accolades and sds stays out per our original ruling.

@bmensch1 I don't think you get choices.

I didn't think anyone could get suspended for 2 years either. When it comes to the ncaa, I have to take myself out of logical thinking and just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

HighEliteMajor said

Ah, but that FF banner coming down and sitting out the tourney may be the next shoe to drop on the SDS affair. Unfair?

If this was Duke or UNC we all would say “feed them to the lions.”
Now do I say that because I hate those schools or that I like KU?

@KUSTEVE My gosh I did not think of that but you are so spot on. They will tell him May 30 he is eligible after he is ineligible. Then there will have to be anothe appeal....aaaargghghhrrhhrhr!

@rockchalkwyo Seems to me that logic is usually inconvenient in such circumstances. Unfortunately, logic weighs against us a bit here I think.

SDS, we hardly knew ye. Good luck in your future endeavors.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article230637874.html ↗

Well hopefully Long is right is they / we do hear something by the 29th. I can’t imagine he would say that if he wasn’t extremely confident they would.

Either way it will be nice to know and move on. Hopefully it’s with SDS but my confidence level is not high.

The next two weeks are the most important 2 weeks of the entire spring. De Sousa, Dotson, Hampton, Wilson.

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Even doing so only the player moves on. The NCAA investigation still looms over KU no matter if he's here or not

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

@Marco Silvio won't be allowed to play next year, imo. Until that is determined, there's no reason to rush him off the stage. We owe him that, at the very least.

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@KUSTEVE Man. What a stud.

@KUSTEVE -Buddy? - - Why ? - - -Why? -- Steve - - - Buddy? - - -WHY? - -why you wanna be so mean lol - -This is just torture lol - - thanks a lot man lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KUSTEVE What is the active ingredient?

I really feel for the kid, hes been here for over a year and a half, yet only played like 20 games. The crime doesnt fit the punishment. I've said it a million times so I'll say it again. The NCAA is the biggest legalized mob outside of the government in this country.

@Fightsongwriter Eligibility...

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

@KUSTEVE True.... We do... But like yourself I believe that he is all but done playing ball at KU.

kjayhawks said:

I really feel for the kid, hes been here for over a year and a half, yet only played like 20 games. The crime doesnt fit the punishment. I've said it a million times so I'll say it again. The NCAA is the biggest legalized mob outside of the government in this country.

I am one-hundred percent in his court. He was scape-goated, unfairly made an example of with not a shred of evidence, only heresay. The NCAA (wholely independent committee doing the review, my ass) being what it is though, it is all but guaranteed that he will not be reinstated.

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.

No, there won’t be. 22 year old Silvio is a surefire 5*, top 10 recruit in the 2020 class. Who would you rather have in 2020-21: Silvio or Walker Kessler? You’re acting like he’s just been sitting on the couch for 2 years. He’s been in the best S&C and nutrition programs in the country and been coached by a HoF’er. So you’re either saying our entire staff sucks or players can’t improve from age 19-22. If that’s your view, make your case.

I’m saying he could stay and play his senior year. He doesn’t need to be reinstated to play college basketball again. The committee cannot increase a punishment and Silvio still has another year after his current suspension as it currently stands.

If something happens and Silvio is free to play next year. Watch out! I have it from reliable sources that he has become a complete beast. He'll manhandle the entire NCAA field. And to have him beside Doke... We will bully our way directly to the Final Four. We experienced a timid Silvio the first time. He isn't timid any longer. And he's even stronger and more skilled. He will dominate everyone in college basketball.

@FarmerJayhawk I'm saying that I don't believe he is going to be sitting on the pine for yet another season and then come back to play his senior year. That's what I'm saying. Yes, he has talent, which is why he probably will and should leave. If he decides to stick around great, but I don't see that happening.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

very well said , glad some people get it

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.

did you not see Farmer said in the class of 2020? - -if a kid is in the class of 2020 he hasn't even stepped on the floor yet in college - Soooo they would have ZERO experience. - -Pretty sure he is talking about recruits from the class of 2020 - -

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.

No, there won’t be. 22 year old Silvio is a surefire 5*, top 10 recruit in the 2020 class. Who would you rather have in 2020-21: Silvio or Walker Kessler? You’re acting like he’s just been sitting on the couch for 2 years. He’s been in the best S&C and nutrition programs in the country and been coached by a HoF’er. So you’re either saying our entire staff sucks or players can’t improve from age 19-22. If that’s your view, make your case.

I’m saying he could stay and play his senior year. He doesn’t need to be reinstated to play college basketball again. The committee cannot increase a punishment and Silvio still has another year after his current suspension as it currently stands.

My goodness if that does happen, I think my love for Silvio would increase which is hard because he's already so great. I feel for him.

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.

did you not see Farmer said in the class of 2020? - -if a kid is in the class of 2020 he hasn't even stepped on the floor yet in college - Soooo they would have ZERO experience. - -Pretty sure he is talking about recruits from the class of 2020 - -

Yeah,,,,, I did. Did you? Atleast those guys would have been playing for the past two years (though only high school) unlike De Sousa. Understand? I see all the posts, and guess what? We have ALL been more wrong than right..... Come on,,,, quit.... That guy isn't going to ride the pine for yet another year and come back to play at KU..... Good god, he could make a living overseas right now.

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.

did you not see Farmer said in the class of 2020? - -if a kid is in the class of 2020 he hasn't even stepped on the floor yet in college - Soooo they would have ZERO experience. - -Pretty sure he is talking about recruits from the class of 2020 - -

Yeah,,,,, I did. Did you? Atleast those guys would have been playing for the past two years (though only high school) unlike De Sousa. Understand? I see all the posts, and guess what? We have ALL been more wrong than right..... Come on,,,, quit.... That guy isn't going to ride the pine for yet another year and come back to play at KU..... Good god, he could make a living overseas right now.

As you say - - " GOOD GOD " - - you didn't see me say a thing about him as you say riding the pine. -- you think the kid has been just sitting around and eating Chocolate Bon Bon's during this time. - -Been well stated he worked out daily with the team this past Season - -also working out on his own. - -do you think his talent just magically disappeared - like POOF and he was a walking Waldo? - -he has been scrimmaging ALL this past season against other P-5 major caliber players - -not high School kids competing against other high school kids. - Plus I'm also talking about the appeal being granted - -which the staff is feeling more and more confident about daily.

Hell fricken no - if he isn't granted the appeal - he already said he wouldn't be back - -why would he - - but if he is granted his appeal which again obviously I feel better about it - -the staff is feeling better about it then you. - -Although these people need to get it's head out of it's ass and get the decision made - -all things they need is in -- has been in - -they screwing around with the kids future - -I think these people have a Hardon for KU and Self - -Watch they gonna keep screwin around until after the 29th - as to Where Silvio has no choice but to leave - -typical.

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

jayballer73 said:

Marco said:

Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.

Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner

not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done

He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.

Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.

There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.

did you not see Farmer said in the class of 2020? - -if a kid is in the class of 2020 he hasn't even stepped on the floor yet in college - Soooo they would have ZERO experience. - -Pretty sure he is talking about recruits from the class of 2020 - -

Yeah,,,,, I did. Did you? Atleast those guys would have been playing for the past two years (though only high school) unlike De Sousa. Understand? I see all the posts, and guess what? We have ALL been more wrong than right..... Come on,,,, quit.... That guy isn't going to ride the pine for yet another year and come back to play at KU..... Good god, he could make a living overseas right now.

As you say - - " GOOD GOD " - - you didn't see me say a thing about him as you say riding the pine. -- you think the kid has been just sitting around and eating Chocolate Bon Bon's during this time. - -Been well stated he worked out daily with the team this past Season - -also working out on his own. - -do you think his talent just magically disappeared - like POOF and he was a walking Waldo? - -he has been scrimmaging ALL this past season against other P-5 major caliber players - -not high School kids competing against other high school kids. - Plus I'm also talking about the appeal being granted - -which the staff is feeling more and more confident about daily.

Hell fricken no - if he isn't granted the appeal - he already said he wouldn't be back - -why would he - - but if he is granted his appeal which again obviously I feel better about it - -the staff is feeling better about it then you. - -Although these people need to get it's head out of it's ass and get the decision made - -all things they need is in -- has been in - -they screwing around with the kids future - -I think these people have a Hardon for KU and Self - -Watch they gonna keep screwin around until after the 29th - as to Where Silvio has no choice but to leave - -typical.

He has been eating chocolate bon bons, he posted a picture of him doing so on facebook.
He should have already been reinstated, they are wrongly making an example.

We'll get a decision the day after the final day of the declaration of the draft...May 30th. Book it, Danno..

@KUSTEVE For real. In other words the day after he declares for the draft because they haven't decided.

@wissox Ya, buddy. People like me...who are paranoid anyway... will have a field day spinning NCAA conspiracy theories after this latest fiasco...

If he doesn't get drafted he can come back, right?

@KUSTEVE This is where we need @jaybate-1-0. It's right up his alley.

@Crimsonorblue22 My understanding is he has to
either declare to stay in or come back by the 29th ...

@wissox Oh no...his conspiracy theories don't hold a candle to my NCAA theories....lmao...

KUSTEVE said:

We'll get a decision the day after the final day of the declaration of the draft...May 30th. Book it, Danno..

Matt was talking on his pod cast the other day and was saying IF Silvio REALLY wanted to -- He COULD actually wait around till the 20th of June and see if he heard anything on his appeal. - -that's a BIG IF

But he could actually wait until then to decide about coming back. - Cause even though he has hired an agent - if he were to go through the draft - -undrafted then he could come back and still be eligible to play

Thing is if they haven't gotten him a decision before the 29th of May - -WHY would you want to hang around for almost another month on the Chance that they MIGHT overturn the ruling so you were eligible. - - like Matt said if he doesn't here by the 29th - -Just go GET YOU SOME big boy - -you have to look out for # 1 -they have screwed you around long enough -why wait for ANOTHER month on the assumption that they MIGHT clear you - time to go play - - make you some money

Crimsonorblue22 said:

If he doesn't get drafted he can come back, right?

yep

KUSTEVE said:

@Crimsonorblue22 My understanding is he has to
either declare to stay in or come back by the 29th ...

they were talking about this -- if he goes through the NBA draft - -undrafted - - even though he has a agent he can still come back

@jayballer73 Oh. Ok. I didn't realize that had passed. So, they'll screw him by not reducing his prison sentence then.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 Oh. Ok. I didn't realize that had passed. So, they'll screw him by not reducing his prison sentence then.

Yeah, the NCAA totally dropped the ball on this one. I honestly thought that the suspension would be lifted. Now, it doesn't look so good. It is too damn bad, actually, that the NCAA cherry picks - and in the case of De Sousa being totally wrong - its cases. You have Arizona and LSU blatantly violating rules, yet mum.... But with De Sousa, who has denied knowledge and it cannot be proven that he is lying they give a two year ban. Nice.....

Per cbs sports...Devon Dotson mike probably coming back!!!

Predicting DD and Grimes will both be back and SDS cleared to play. Going with my gut and my heart!

Only if they sent to official appeal in sooner then we wouldn’t be counting down the days until the 29th. In theory anyways

whaleboy said:

Per cbs sports...Devon Dotson mike probably coming back!!!

Might probably come back?

Fightsongwriter said:

Predicting DD and Grimes will both be back and SDS cleared to play. Going with my gut and my heart!

When you leave "brain" out of your list of items consulted, well, you know ... but I'd be good with it regardless!

@Woodrow autocorrect, my apologies.

Fightsongwriter said:

Predicting DD and Grimes will both be back and SDS cleared to play. Going with my gut and my heart!

I'd bet on Dotson being back but not Grimes. Too much damage done and there is too much pride in Grimes' circle.

@HighEliteMajor If Grimes wanted to come back and was willing to work hard and play the wing I'd welcome him back. Sure sounds like someone involved thinks he is a PG and Self mismanaged him however.

@whaleboy Do you have a link? I looked all over CBS, and never found a word about Dotson.

@KUSTEVE copied

He's also the second person with this line of thinking. Sam Vecenie had a draft write-up for The Athletic. It's premium, but here's the snippet of Dotson (in particular):

"Devon Dotson, Kansas: Dotson was much more impressive at the combine, which shouldn’t be a surprise given his terrific freshman season. In his second combine game, he had one of the better overall performances by scoring 10 points, dishing out nine assists, and grabbing six rebounds. Still, the feel around the NBA is that teams would prefer he go back to school for a couple of reasons. First, his jump shot just isn’t quite the threat it needs to be from distance to consistent space the floor. Second, he came in a bit smaller in terms of measurements than expected, and they wonder if his body is ready for the rigor of the NBA. Given that teams see him as more of a backup guard now, they’d prefer to get value from him early, and there is some real doubt about if he can provide that now.
Given that I don’t think Dotson helped himself enough to push up into the first round, I think he would do well by returning to Kansas for another season. There is legitimate room for growth in his stock if he can become more comfortable in traffic and more comfortable shooting from distance. He’d be a likely preseason All-American because of his talent, playing in a high-profile situation at Kansas for a good team next to Udoka Azubuike. That’s a good spot to be in."

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@Crimsonorblue22 ty....i read that a while back.

@Crimsonorblue22 I read this from Matt Tait today:

Underclassmen have until Wednesday to pull their names out of the 2019 draft pool, therein retaining their college eligibility for the 2019-20 season.

I think they had discussed the idea of a player not being drafted being able to go back to their school, but I don't think it's in effect yet. So, if the NCAA does not make a decision on Silvio by next Wednesday, and Silvio doesn't pull out of the draft, then he will not be able to come back, even if they rule in his favor.

@jayballer73 No sir. If Silvio doesn't pull his name out of the draft by Wednesday, he won't be eligible to play with us, even if they drop the prison sentence.

Underclassmen have until Wednesday to pull their names out of the 2019 draft pool, therein retaining their college eligibility for the 2019-20 season.

KUSTEVE said:

@Crimsonorblue22 I read this from Matt Tait today:

Underclassmen have until Wednesday to pull their names out of the 2019 draft pool, therein retaining their college eligibility for the 2019-20 season.

I think they had discussed the idea of a player not being drafted being able to go back to their school, but I don't think it's in effect yet. So, if the NCAA does not make a decision on Silvio by next Wednesday, and Silvio doesn't pull out of the draft, then he will not be able to come back, even if they rule in his favor.

I don't know - - all I might refer you to is Mait Tait's weekly broadcast on his Rock Chalk Talk he does weekly - -take a listen to that and you'll hear where he says it - -I'm not gonna say one way or another now - cause could be wrong - -just going off Mait broadcast about the players - - they was talking about RJ - - Grimes and Silvio - you could be right -- all I got was how Matt was talking about how he COULD possibly - - - - - ( EDIT - - EDIT -- EDIT ) - lol - -wait wait wait. - thinking now what he was saying was Silvio COULD pull ot of the Draft - -and then he COULD still stick around until like the 20th of June and Still be able to come back and wait and see if they cleared him. - - -Yet was also talking about if Silvio went through the draft and DIDN'T get drafted he xould still come back to KU and be eligible - -even though he did have an agent.

Only thing I can tell you again is guy - Is check out Taits conversation on his weekly tale of the Tait/Rock Chalk Talk he did - you can here him talk about and explain it

@whaleboy I missed that whole article. I hope it's right. i'm deliberately being as pessimistic about this offseason as I possibly can because then I can feel good if something goes right. Dotson would certainly help.

I believe currently, if they in the draft but aren’t drafted, the benefit is that you can also enter the draft the following year, but not return to college... amiright?

@Gorilla72 Wouldn’t that just make the player a free agent?

@HighEliteMajor - I believe so. Can’t return to college though. I dunno what happens if the player then signs with an NBA team. Playing overseas would work, like it did for Billy Preston. Isn’t Preston eligible for this year’s draft?

@jayballer73 I was quoting Matt, so it's clear as mud. I did find this, though:

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/nba-draft-ncaa-agent-rules-changes-explained ↗ ↗

@HighEliteMajor I went with what I had😁 .

@BShark The other options make less sense (transfer, Europe, Gleague) so if he can eat some humble pie KU still is best option. Can they accept that? We shall see. Reality is his feedback is gonna be bad as we knew it would.

@Gorilla72 I think you can only be eligible for selection once. You can declare for the draft twice, assuming you remove your name the first time as Dotson, Grimes, etc. are going through now. Someone else can chime in, but if you stay in the draft, and aren't drafted, you are a free agent and not subject to a further draft. That's what I understand.

Looks like we should have a Silvio answer soon:

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For those that don't twitter, Silvio had his hearing today. "decision in matter of hours, not days".

Kelli Zinn had to recuse herself from the case. Chair of the reinstatement committee. Due to possible perception of conflict. Zenn is an executive associate athletic director at West Virginia

🙏🙏🙏

breaks phone refreshing Twitter

When the jury comes back quickly, it's usually "guilty." But knowing our luck, they'll say he has to sit out 15 games next season.

Positive thoughts! At least it's happening 5 days before the deadline of the draft.

Negative thoughts! everything else about this situation

He won his appeal. Silvio is back!!!!!

bmensch1 said:

He won his appeal. Silvio is back!!!!!

That is huge! Okay, I'm back..!

Close this up!

LET FREEDOM RING!!

OMG...

Marco said:

bmensch1 said:

He won his appeal. Silvio is back!!!!!

That is huge! Okay, I'm back..!

LMAO - - welcome back buddy - -WELCOME BACK SILVIO

I'm shocked. How am I going to get through this offseason.... argghhhhhhh

We don't have a Euro tournament or anything do we.

How many said no way on Silvio? Oh ye of Lil faith! 🙏 I'm sooooo darn happy for him. He really persevered! Not sure many kids would have done the same. I'd love to be in AFH when he's announced. 😢🤩🥰🥳🔵🔴🏀

@Crimsonorblue22 I was one of those that said no way....this is tremendous!

Won his appeal!

Crimsonorblue22 said:

How many said no way on Silvio? Oh ye of Lil faith! 🙏 I'm sooooo darn happy for him. He really persevered! Not sure many kids would have done the same. I'd love to be in AFH when he's announced. 😢🤩🥰🥳🔵🔴🏀

Wanted to believe - -BUT looked really bad -- thank GOD I was wrong - - AGAIN

@Crimsonorblue22 I called it earlier this week. Now lets see if part 2 and 3 of my prediction come true.

I'm really starting to like next year's potential team..... Starting to like it an awful lot! If we land Hampton and Wilson and Dotson comes back, along with the return of Dok and Silvio good god look out!

@HighEliteMajor You can enter and withdraw from the draft twice, but you can still get drafted after withdrawing the second time and lose your college eligibility. It’s weird.

@Marco you said d dot wasn't coming back, huh? Which is it?

Silvio being freed just makes me all tingly - -makes me want to just upvote every single response here over , and over , and over lol - - - - -Silvio says: - -Float like a Butterfly -- Sting like a Bee - - -Beware Big 12 - - Silvio - - is FINALLY FREE - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Crimsonorblue22 I've always hoped that he would, it just doesn't quite feel that he is.