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May 30, 2019 01:35 AM #1

Ok , so a ways to go yet but just pondering see how it works.

PG: - - - Dotson/ McBride/Garrett - or Garrett/McBride

SG:- - -Walker /Oachi / Garett

5- - -Doke /McCormack

SF:- - -Wilson / Enrauna

4:- - -Silvio / Lightfoot

Now this would be for me if things would play out with Jalen & Kyree - realize long ways to go for that but hoping - so how far off would I be? - - try not to be to Brutal lol - - -ROCK CHALKALL DAY LONG BABY

May 30, 2019 01:36 AM #2

Top 5 squad easily with Jalen and Kyree lol.

May 30, 2019 01:39 AM #3

BShark said:

Top 5 squad easily with Jalen and Kyree lol.

Oh ya buddy - -how far am I off on the depth chart? what you think?

May 30, 2019 02:55 AM #4

Best guess:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Walker, Garrett
G: Agbaji, Wilson, Braun (RS)
F: #FreedSilvio, Enaruna, Mitch
F: Doke, McCormack

We might add someone like Hyland but it's not really a thing until KU offers. And that's a FF quality team.

May 30, 2019 03:41 AM #5

If walker and Wilson come on board...I would like to think that lightfoot, braun and McBride redshirt. Cupboard is full of talent. If McBride and braun see significant play time...this team has issues. Mitch is merely in a numbers crunch.

I do wonder if self will implement twin towers mode of done and big dave. Would be nice when playing a 2/3 zone

May 30, 2019 03:53 AM #6

I agree on Mitch and Braun. Not on McBride. I think we'll need his ball handling and shooting in spots.

May 30, 2019 04:09 AM #7

1) Dotson, McBride, Garrett
2) Ochai, Garrett, Braun
3) Garrett, Enaruna
4) Silvio, Lightfoot, Enaruna, Garrett
5) Dok, McCormack, Lightfoot

🤔 Marcus can play 4 positions. No wonder Bill loves him.

May 30, 2019 08:27 AM #8

Who is Walker, don't remember seeing his name?

May 30, 2019 08:51 AM #9

JayhawksandChill said:

Who is Walker, don't remember seeing his name?

Kyree Walker, a 2020 5 star guard that is likely to reclassify into the current class and KU has been hot on his trail

May 30, 2019 12:03 PM #10

FarmerJayhawk said:

Best guess:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Walker, Garrett
G: Agbaji, Wilson, Braun (RS)
F: #FreedSilvio, Enaruna, Mitch
F: Doke, McCormack

We might add someone like Hyland but it's not really a thing until KU offers. And that's a FF quality team.

For set positions this is pretty much it. With the actual rotations I think Garrett is really flexible and would see time at multiple spots. Wilson would also see minutes at the 4.

May 30, 2019 12:18 PM #11

So now we wait on Wilson and Walker.. Yikes

May 30, 2019 12:20 PM #12

BeddieKU23 said:

So now we wait on Wilson and Walker.. Yikes

Worst case roster is still pretty good now.

Self will add some guys, hard to see him rolling with 10. Now...they might end up being Maxwell types. So yeah, I hope for at least one of Wilson or Walker as either one moves the needle.

May 30, 2019 12:50 PM #13

BeddieKU23 said:

So now we wait on Wilson and Walker.. Yikes

Lol , why yes - -we WAIT. Why in the world would you not want to wait lmao. -- Just giving you a hard time , I feel exactly where your coming from. - Have no idea what it would feel like to already have a good chunk of our 2020 recruiting done. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

May 30, 2019 01:06 PM #14

The key to next season is Agbaji. Forget adding any other player as a requirement to compete for a NC. If Doke, SDS , and Dotson are as expected, Agbaji becomes the key. If he elevates his game as his talent would indicate and finds consistency, look out. His all around effort is high level. Hits the boards. Everything you'd want. Although pounding it to Doke inside will be our bread and butter, when things get late in the game, and the big fella might be a bit winded, Agbaji might very well be the go to guy. He's got "it." I've mentioned that thought before, I think after his first game or two. We've got a special player.

May 30, 2019 01:20 PM #15

@HighEliteMajor Then I certainly hope Jalen Wilson doesn't come in, and slow down Ochai's development.

May 30, 2019 01:47 PM #16

So we have 7 guys back with experience. All 7 have started games at some point in their career of have been career starters. Good for continuity and some chemistry.

That core 7 can win this team 20 games or so.

Shooting is still a huge concern. The 3/2 seems like the style of play we'll have to focus on.

IF KU doesn't add Walker or Wilson I don't see championship ceiling. I think this team constructed needs one or both to raise the ceiling to that discussion. KU can absorb a freshman being a key cog because the Core 7 all have experience. If I had to pick 1, probably Wilson because he'd most likely be on campus earlier and has some position versatility and size that will be valuable at times. I think we need Walker or Wilson's shooting to be a dependable addition to this team. You can't rely on Ochai as the only shooter in the lineup. There won't be any scheming Self can rely on if that's the case

May 30, 2019 02:02 PM #17

@BeddieKU23 agree. Even if you are as high on Och as @HighEliteMajor which I am not, we can't afford to be relying on 2 of McBride, Braun and Enaruna to play a major bench role. I can see one surprising enough to do so but not all three. We need another rotation level minimum preferably starter level 2/3 for this team to be a true title contender.

May 30, 2019 02:04 PM #18

All that also has Garrett starting too which is...not great but livable.

May 30, 2019 02:32 PM #19

I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn't meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.

May 30, 2019 02:48 PM #20

@wissox Well, the alternative is...lower ranked FR in the rotation. The starters are all experienced at least.

May 30, 2019 02:49 PM #21

@KUSTEVE I think that if we add Wilson, and he starts at the three, we slide Agbaji to the two spot. I'm all for adding Wilson. We could have Agbaji, Wilson, and Garrett cover the 2-3 spots in some manner or form. And I think we could get by with Dotson at PG, with Garrett as some cover, and McBride in bursts, depending upon his readiness. What I don't know for sure is Wilson's readiness to start.

May 30, 2019 02:50 PM #22

@wissox thankfully we don’t need freshmen to lead the team! We do need at least one more perimeter body. Attrition has been such that we only have 10 guys right now, so we’re one injury away from disaster at about every spot.

May 30, 2019 02:52 PM #23

D dot and Ochai were pretty critical last year w/loss of doke and Silvio. They stepped up.

May 30, 2019 03:02 PM #24

Let's play a game. Pick out whether they are describing Enaruna or Wilson.

A big perimeter prospect that possesses shooting ability and skill. He has very good size for the position and he's a good athlete. He has a solid build and one that would fill out further in a college weight room. He already plays well through contact. Shooting is among his biggest strengths. He has good shot mechanics, shot preparation and good range. He's also a good passer. Areas for improvement include creating space for pull-ups and ball handling. (Player) has the chance to be a first-round draft pick with development.

Has very good size but just has average length for a wing. A high-major perimeter prospect. Is an impressive athlete that gets off the ground with ease and quickness. Has good shot mechanics and a smooth, easy stroke. He’s also a good passer. The next step in his development is improving off the dribble, as he’s more of a straight-line driver at this stage. Also needs to get stronger.

Basically the same exact kind of prospect. And I'm curious as to how the staff is pitching Wilson right now.

I mean I would love to have both because I can only imagine how amazing a full on switching defense in 2020-2021 could be if you had Wilson, Enaruna, Ochai, Garrett and Braun on the floor at the same. Not to mention how well spaced the floor would be considering 4/5 of those guys could shoot. It'd be a thing of beauty.

I just am not going to get my hopes up that Wilson can 1. Contribute major minutes from day even if he comes here (if we don't expect minutes from Enaruna). And 2. Won't see Enaruna as a major threat for PT. Enaruna looks like the better athlete (and it isn't even close) on tape to me.

I think Bill has his roster for better or for worse. I think we whiff on Wilson, personally. The only meaningful player I could see us adding at this point is Walker. Who would fit right in. But either way, I think this group is a 30-win Top 10 team. As long as Bill can iron out the 3 point defense, this group has enough to make a runa at a FF. Nobody in the country has someone who can guard Doke. Dotson is a Top 5 PG. I think that's enough to make a FF run.

May 30, 2019 03:05 PM #25

@HighEliteMajor Can Ochai handle the ball well enough to play the 2? Have we talked to Jaevin Cumberland? That guy is a 2 all the way. Shot 40% from 3 last year. 2 to 1 a/t. 17 ppg. We get him, and have Ochai at the 3. The other way is having Ochai with ball handling duties, and Jalen... who is a freshman...and might not be so great on defense. I prefer going and getting the experienced guy, if possible.

May 30, 2019 03:20 PM #26

@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.

May 30, 2019 03:46 PM #27

BShark said:

@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.

I agree here. Enaruna didn't even start on his HS team (although loaded) still points to a player that needs time to adjust.

Wilson has a college ready body for the most part. Great size for the wing position and is a scorer with a dependable 3 point shot. I can't see us relying on Ochai solely to provide shooting, it just doesn't work that way.

I have always been under the impression that Wilson has been undervalued. He's not OAD ready but he's skilled and can shoot. This is a guard in a 6'8 body. He would have played a big role at Michigan regardless of roster so I don't see how that doesn't translate here as well.

May 30, 2019 03:48 PM #28

BShark said:

@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.

I think he could fill a BG type of a role from day one, but that's about it. I really don't think he's a great athlete from what I've seen. Definitely a below the rim guy.

May 30, 2019 04:45 PM #29

@HighEliteMajor I seriously think Grimes could not handle the fact the no-name red shirt was SO much better than him. Give me 5 Ochai's over any Grimes-esque 1 and nones (not a typo!) any day! Go Och Go!!

May 30, 2019 04:53 PM #30

Kcmatt7 said:

BShark said:

@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.

I think he could fill a BG type of a role from day one, but that's about it. I really don't think he's a great athlete from what I've seen. Definitely a below the rim guy.

Yeah I think Enaruna has more long term potential Wilson is just more ready to contribute right now. Agree on the BG comp.

May 30, 2019 05:31 PM #31

Crimsonorblue22 said:

D dot and Ochai were pretty critical last year w/loss of doke and Silvio. They stepped up.

They stepped up true. I guess in my vague criteria of impactful, they weren't good enough to get us another championship nor were they good enough to get us into the tourney very far. And Ochai's game took quite a downturn towards the end. Hoping he figures out what to do to play like the post red shirt coming off games.

May 30, 2019 05:46 PM #32

@wissox you are tough, if d dot had doke or Silvio, maybe Vick, he would have been very good. For a red shirt w/A stress fracture,Ochai was not to shabby! I think you can depend on freshmen if the rest of your team doesn't fold

May 30, 2019 06:33 PM #33

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@wissox you are tough, if d dot had doke or Silvio, maybe Vick, he would have been very good. For a red shirt w/A stress fracture,Ochai was not to shabby! I think you can depend on freshmen if the rest of your team doesn't fold

Trust Crims @wissox that injury was very difficult for Ochai. Amazing he was playing, no doubt effected his shooting.

May 30, 2019 06:45 PM #34

wissox said:

I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn't meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.

Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

May 30, 2019 07:51 PM #35

jayballer73 said:

wissox said:

I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn't meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.

Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I assume he meant Walker?

May 30, 2019 07:53 PM #36

@FarmerJayhawk he just knows paragraphs👨🏻‍🏫

May 30, 2019 08:13 PM #37

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@FarmerJayhawk he just knows paragraphs👨🏻‍🏫

who is it that just knows paragraphs?

May 30, 2019 08:32 PM #38

@FarmerJayhawk Yes you're right!

All my other friends. I know about the difficulties Dotson and Ochai faced, but they simply didn't remind me of the types of freshman that would be known as transformative types. I'm probably wrong like I am every year when I pencil in KU on the last line on my bracket!

May 30, 2019 09:04 PM #39

jayballer73 said:

wissox said:

I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn't meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.

Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Sherlock was busy, so he called on Watson to piece together the mystery of the KU AMOEBA LINEUP ...

May 30, 2019 09:07 PM #40

You guys, things are heating up.

May 30, 2019 09:25 PM #41

KUSTEVE said:

jayballer73 said:

wissox said:

I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn't meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.

Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Sherlock was busy, so he called on Watson to piece together the mystery of the KU AMOEBA LINEUP ...

Lookie here MR - -you need to stop that lol - -- - -you really think Sherlock might come and play for us lmao

May 30, 2019 10:03 PM #42

BShark said:

You guys, things are heating up.

Whoa

May 30, 2019 11:03 PM #43

@BeddieKU23 DD put up a poll on Twitter where he asked if he should change his uni number from 11 to 1, and Kyree responded, and everybody is going crazy...lol.

May 30, 2019 11:13 PM #44

@KUSTEVE

I'm just happy KU is on his mind

May 30, 2019 11:49 PM #45

KUSTEVE said:

@BeddieKU23 DD put up a poll on Twitter where he asked if he should change his uni number from 11 to 1, and Kyree responded, and everybody is going crazy...lol

I voted - - keep 11 lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

May 30, 2019 11:52 PM #46

KUSTEVE said:

@BeddieKU23 DD put up a poll on Twitter where he asked if he should change his uni number from 11 to 1, and Kyree responded, and everybody is going crazy...lol.

There are lots of reasons to feel good about this one. Pro-KU people in his ear from what I understand.

May 31, 2019 02:08 AM #47

@BShark I can't pull it up...summarize please?

May 31, 2019 02:10 AM #48

Hawk8086 said:

@BShark I can't pull it up...summarize please?

The tweet?

May 31, 2019 02:16 AM #49

@BShark good guess🤪

May 31, 2019 02:41 AM #50

@jayballer73 me too...lol.

May 31, 2019 11:48 AM #51

@BShark Yes, the tweet.

May 31, 2019 12:28 PM #52

Hawk8086 said:

@BShark Yes, the tweet.

He responded to a tweet from Devon who was running a poll to determine his number at KU next season. He told DD to keep #11.

Jun 07, 2019 10:20 PM #53

Proposition:
Dotson, Moss, Ochai, Silvio, Doke with Wilson, Garrett, McCormack, and McBride is the best team in the country. Change my mind

Jun 07, 2019 10:25 PM #54

@FarmerJayhawk - Don't doubt it. Let's hope KU gets those last two pieces!

Jun 07, 2019 10:55 PM #55

FarmerJayhawk said:

Proposition:
Dotson, Moss, Ochai, Silvio, Doke with Wilson, Garrett, McCormack, and McBride is the best team in the country. Change my mind

I'll allow it.

Jun 09, 2019 04:15 AM #56

FarmerJayhawk said:

Proposition:
Dotson, Moss, Ochai, Silvio, Doke with Wilson, Garrett, McCormack, and McBride is the best team in the country. Change my mind

Bump

Jun 09, 2019 01:49 PM #57

Ok @FarmerJayhawk you asked for it (my fears not desire): Moss’ highlight video had him going off in a game they failed to reach 20 points by halftime. Garrett is an offensive liability. Dotson is good, but not Frank Mason Sr year good and Frank didn’t win anything. Dok will get hurt by the seasons end. Wilson isn’t here yet; Eunanura isn’t ready for big minutes. McCormack is rough. McBride is too short to get his shot so easily in college. Silvio is rusty as heck!

Michigan St is talented and experienced playing together. Duke has all the young talent. KU is cobbled together at the last minute.

Jun 09, 2019 02:20 PM #58

@dylans lol. Well done.

Jun 09, 2019 03:04 PM #59

@FarmerJayhawk I'd tend to agree with you. Isaiah Moss is kind of similar to Kyree Walker in terms of the skillset that he brings to next season's team - 3-pt shooting, ball-handling, and the ability to create his own shot. Dotson was over 36% from 3 last season, and I'm expecting Ochai to be a little bit better than the 30.7% he shot from 3 last season. So there's plenty of perimeter shooting in that starting backcourt.

We all know what Doke can do when he's healthy. He's already been mentioned a lot this offseason as a NPOY candidate and one of the favorites for the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar award.

Nobody really knows what we're going to get with Silvio next season but we're all expecting him to have an impact. Rebounds and dunks seem likely, but if he could also step out and hit a mid-range jumper it would help the spacing of the offense.

I'm getting major 2012 vibes from that starting lineup, except I think we'll have a lot more depth than that team did, especially if we add Jalen Wilson.

Jun 09, 2019 06:21 PM #60

@dylans At least you have no concerns about Braun or Mitch ...

The one I think we might be overestimating his immediate impact is Wilson. I could see that not being as soon as some project.

Jun 09, 2019 06:32 PM #61

Wilson is barely a top 50 recruit, those players don't have a great history of being impact players immediately and sometimes not even an immediate rotation player. If Moss comes to KU, Wilson is likely 5th in the back court rotation and probably a non factor in the rotation unless Self goes 9 deep which I don't recall him ever doing with consistency.

Jun 09, 2019 06:35 PM #62

@Texas-Hawk-10 in a dire class as well. Normally Wilson would be in the 80-90 range. Still a long term want though.

Jun 09, 2019 06:52 PM #63

BShark said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 in a dire class as well. Normally Wilson would be in the 80-90 range. Still a long term want though.

So Let me ask you this - -and everyone seems to think he will be a non impact player - and you thinking that in a normal class he would be a 80-90 rank player - - Why the hell did I hear Evan Daniels say that Jalen was actually under. ranked player/underrated - - -WHY did I hear Evan Daniels which I consider a pretty solid source say that actually Jalen should of been probably 10-15 spots HIGHER in the ranking - which it that would of been the case would of put him at 35-40 range? - What am I missing? - - what is Evan missing?

Was I on a huge massive Meth high - when Evan was discussing him or What? - Somebody is missing the boat on this kid - - just wondering who. - -Either you guys are missing the boat with him - - OR Evan is - someone let me know so I can figure out what to expect - -Hell I'll even split the difference and say he is the number 42 1/2 ranked player in the nation. - -But all I'm hearing is how Jalen really isn't all that - not gonna have any kind of impact -- hearing this over and over and over.

I would of thought Evan would have a pretty good read on the kid seeing this is what he does for a living reconizing talent - seeing these kids week end - - week out But guess I'm wrong -huh imagine that lol. I personally myself think Jalen is better then what people are giving him credit for -- -I personally think - Jalen is going to have more of an impact then people think he will.

Not really sure why some people want to try and shove him into the two spot so dam hard for - - I think you will see him a hell of a lot more at the Three then the two during the season - for sure he is capable of playing multiple positions - -I just think especially if Moss comes your gonna see Jalen exclusively at the three NOT the two - maybe every one can have a BIG POW WOW and come to mutual agreement where this kid should be ranked and how much impact he will have so the rest of us will know

Jun 09, 2019 07:31 PM #64

@jayballer73 If Moss and Wilson come, KU has a back court of Dotson, Garrett, Agabji, McBride, and Braun along with those two.

Self historically plays a 7-8 man rotation, and Wilson would be the 5th or 6th guard in that rotation. It doesn't mean he's a bad player, just means there would be better options ahead of him. In Self's system, the 2 and the 3 are interchangeable on offense so it doesn't matter if Wilson is a two or a three, he's an off ball guard and would be behind Agbaji, Garrett, and Moss in that possible line up.

That equals minimal minutes once Self trimmed the rotation to 7 or 8 players.

Jun 09, 2019 07:57 PM #65

@Texas-Hawk-10 The theory is the 2-3 are interchangeable. That doesn't mean it is always reality. When WVU ran their press, no way would we rely on Vick to bring the ball up, even though he was a 2/3. And who can forget those wonderful escapades when we tried to play Wayne at the 2...or EJ at the 1? They're interchangeable only in Bill's mind. Reality is we can't have Dotson and two wings in the back court at the same time, imo. We couldn't run out Dotson/Ochai/Wilson at the same time. It's not going to work. That's just not enough ball handling skills for our offense to work effectively. The first time Ochai gets doubled, does he have the ball handling skills to dribble out of it? That's why I keep saying that Moss is more important than JW for this year. So, here are my scenarios... depending on who we sign:

If we whiff : Dot/MG/Ochai/Silvio/Doke

Moss only: Dot/Moss-MG/Ochai/Silvio/Doke

JW only : Dot/MG/Ochai-JW/Silvio/Doke

Both Moss & JW:

Dot/Moss-MG/Ochai-JW/Silvio/Doke

And it wouldn't surprise me a bit if JW doesn't pick up time at the 4... especially if he has challenges guarding on the perimeter ( which would not surprise me ).

Jun 09, 2019 08:15 PM #66

...and this is what happens when you don't take care of the ball: ( 24 turnovers )

https://big12statistics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/boxscores/20190105_zgwj.xml?view=boxscore ↗

Jun 09, 2019 08:24 PM #67

I think Bill would much rather have two great ball handlers and have the 1/2 be interchangeable.

Jun 09, 2019 09:05 PM #68

@BShark - it almost sounds like KU might acquire a 3 who handle the ball somewhat effectively against any kind of press, to the point of bringing the ball up part way. KU didn’t have that working well last year. Height and/or experience at the 3 has interesting possibilities beyond shooting.

Jun 09, 2019 09:16 PM #69

@KUSTEVE That box score is a crappy example for the point you're trying to make. The two highest turnover totals were from Vick, a wing, and D. Lawson, a post player. Dotson was third in turnovers that game. The guy who best fits the description as the a 2-3 combo is Garrett who had one turnover.

Also, breaking pressure and running a half court set are not the same and Self does tend to use a second ball handler against teams that pressure a lot when he has that roster flexibility. Marcus Garrett is that flexibility because he is an above average ball handler because he was a PG in HS and I still believe is the best PG on this team.

Jun 09, 2019 09:21 PM #70

Better than Dot??!

Jun 09, 2019 09:34 PM #71

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 If Moss and Wilson come, KU has a back court of Dotson, Garrett, Agabji, McBride, and Braun along with those two.

Self historically plays a 7-8 man rotation, and Wilson would be the 5th or 6th guard in that rotation. It doesn't mean he's a bad player, just means there would be better options ahead of him. In Self's system, the 2 and the 3 are interchangeable on offense so it doesn't matter if Wilson is a two or a three, he's an off ball guard and would be behind Agbaji, Garrett, and Moss in that possible line up.

That equals minimal minutes once Self trimmed the rotation to 7 or 8 players.

still gonna disagree and say we see him a lot more at the three. - -not competing with Dotson in the as you say back court - -even though he will be playing front line - he is even listed as a 3 SF - -not a 2 - -shooting guard/combo guard. - -your gonna have Moss/Garrett/Agabji - -competing for the 2 in the back court - not Wilson

Jun 09, 2019 10:13 PM #72

@jayballer73 In Self's offense, the 2 and the 3 serve the same function. If KU lands Moss and Wilson, you will see those two along with Agbaji and Garrett subbed for interchangeably until the rotation is set. Dotson and McBride are the only two back court players who have set positions as lead guards, everyone else is off ball and in Self's offense, that means they are interchangeable.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 mean very little in today's game. A 1 is about the only position that you don't see a lot of interchangeability with. Doke is a rarity in being a true 5 as the rest of KU's big are variations of 4's. McCormack and Silvio are traditional 4's at this point unless Silvio has expanded his range, Mitch is an undersized 4, and Tristan is a stretch 4 in college and wing in the NBA, similar to the role Josh Jackson played at KU. Even between college and NBA, you see a lot of people play different positions like what Tristan will be doing here

Jun 10, 2019 12:54 PM #73

@Texas-Hawk-10 Vick had 7 turnovers in that game. Not what I would call "interchangeable". To say that Wayne was "interchangeable" with Devonte when Frank was playing point guard is quite a stretch, imo. I'm not trying to be contentious, but theory is one thing, and practical application is another. I don't think Ochai has a smidgen of the ball handling skills that a Marcus Garrett has, nor do I think JW has the ball handling skills at that level, either. Now, there is absolutely no doubt that both Ochai and JW have much better shooting skills than Marcus...of that I have no doubt. To me, they are wings...and if we try to play them together with Dotson w/o a Marcus or Moss on the floor, we're going to be in trouble.

Jun 10, 2019 07:17 PM #74

We are building a team of very solid players up and down the roster. What this team lacks (still) is a true difference maker. Maybe Devon becomes that guy. Maybe Agbaji? But likely, KU puts together a very solid team that has issues closing some teams out because they lack a true go to guy.

I worry that unless Devon Dotson becomes something like Sherron Collins, we may be on the verge of witnessing that.

Jun 10, 2019 07:25 PM #75

@justanotherfan Swear I didn't see this post until after making my last one. :joy:

Jun 10, 2019 08:52 PM #76

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 In Self's offense, the 2 and the 3 serve the same function. If KU lands Moss and Wilson, you will see those two along with Agbaji and Garrett subbed for interchangeably until the rotation is set. Dotson and McBride are the only two back court players who have set positions as lead guards, everyone else is off ball and in Self's offense, that means they are interchangeable.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 mean very little in today's game. A 1 is about the only position that you don't see a lot of interchangeability with. Doke is a rarity in being a true 5 as the rest of KU's big are variations of 4's. McCormack and Silvio are traditional 4's at this point unless Silvio has expanded his range, Mitch is an undersized 4, and Tristan is a stretch 4 in college and wing in the NBA, similar to the role Josh Jackson played at KU. Even between college and NBA, you see a lot of people play different positions like what Tristan will be doing here

No way McCormack is a 4. You are what you can defend, and he can't guard 4's. No way, no how.

Jun 10, 2019 08:54 PM #77

FarmerJayhawk said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 In Self's offense, the 2 and the 3 serve the same function. If KU lands Moss and Wilson, you will see those two along with Agbaji and Garrett subbed for interchangeably until the rotation is set. Dotson and McBride are the only two back court players who have set positions as lead guards, everyone else is off ball and in Self's offense, that means they are interchangeable.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 mean very little in today's game. A 1 is about the only position that you don't see a lot of interchangeability with. Doke is a rarity in being a true 5 as the rest of KU's big are variations of 4's. McCormack and Silvio are traditional 4's at this point unless Silvio has expanded his range, Mitch is an undersized 4, and Tristan is a stretch 4 in college and wing in the NBA, similar to the role Josh Jackson played at KU. Even between college and NBA, you see a lot of people play different positions like what Tristan will be doing here

No way McCormack is a 4. You are what you can defend, and he can't guard 4's. No way, no how.

I agree Farmer - no way - - shape - - or form is McCormack is nothing but a 5 - pure and simple - -a 4? - - come on man

Jun 13, 2019 01:39 AM #78

Well worth a sub. https://theathletic.com/1021772/2019/06/12/after-adding-jalen-wilson-bill-self-explains-his-plan-for-kansas-in-2019-20/ ↗

Jun 13, 2019 01:40 AM #79

FarmerJayhawk said:

Well worth a sub. https://theathletic.com/1021772/2019/06/12/after-adding-jalen-wilson-bill-self-explains-his-plan-for-kansas-in-2019-20/ ↗

Oh my, this is quality content from CJ. As expected but still.

Jun 13, 2019 01:43 AM #80

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Well worth a sub. https://theathletic.com/1021772/2019/06/12/after-adding-jalen-wilson-bill-self-explains-his-plan-for-kansas-in-2019-20/ ↗

Oh my, this is quality content from CJ. As expected but still.

The way Bill talks about Silvio 🤤🤤

Jun 13, 2019 01:51 AM #81

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Jun 13, 2019 01:58 AM #82

Fine by me. The way the transfer market works I’d rather hold it for a midyear transfer or reclass

Jun 13, 2019 01:58 AM #83

BShark said:

?s=21

just kinda of what I'm thinking - mentioned that I thought I just have a feel they gonna tuck it away. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 13, 2019 02:02 AM #84

FarmerJayhawk said:

Fine by me. The way the transfer market works I’d rather hold it for a midyear transfer or reclass

YA I know it's probably insane to think of this possibly happening now but - I was thinking the only way that they might use it would be if somehow - -some way we got Kyree to re-classify and he could get him self qualified to re-classify - and the real possibility committing to KU.

I was thinking that would be the only way they would use it now - -would be for Kyree. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 13, 2019 02:04 AM #85

All I get out of it is Mr. Bill isn’t finished yet.

After last year you can never plan ahead too much or be too deep.

Jun 13, 2019 03:05 AM #86

@rockchalkwyo Who would we go after though?

Jun 13, 2019 03:29 AM #87

Not a lot of minutes left to spread around. What do you offer a top player?

Jun 13, 2019 03:38 AM #88

You always monitor and keep in touch with guys. Best case is you land a case like Joey Baker, a top 25 (I think?) kid who wanted to RS instead of go to high school another year.