@Texas-Hawk-10 said in K.J. Adams:
If Adams signs, it's going to be awhile before he ever plays meaningful minutes because he plays a position KU has zero need for in the 2021 class.
It's interesting to me that the staff felt they needed to go after someone at this position. Maybe they are expecting a departure that we are not, maybe it's just about filling the roster out because I do think this will end up being a 5 man class. It almost never happens where every underclassman stays.
That was meant to be listed as one name essentially instead of listing off the other 4 members of that class. It could have been better if I put that last.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I know that's why I listed them by name instead of "the 2011 class other than Ben". Since Ben was the only plan A recruit taken in that class.
The dearth of good recruits between 2010-2012 is what led to the need for such a large immediate impact class of 2013. You will always end up having some attrition when you take a class that big. Overall, it went about as good as you could hope for but I wasn't surprised when it ended in tournament failure. It's best to avoid requiring such a large class of immediate contributors if possible.
It's pretty apparent that the staff started making a big push after KB went to Baylor.
It's certainly been a mixed bag for Self with scramble additions. Mason was an early signing but definitely not the first choice. Some of the PGs I remember that were targeted and missed on before adding Mason: Kasey Hill, Anthony Barber (somewhat KU's decision to move on), Tyler Ennis, Rysheed Jordan, Demetrius Jackson, Roddy Peters... There might be more, that's what I remember. Some of these players ended up being worse than Mason. There's definitely some luck involved.
Cheick Diallo, Brannen Greene, Cliff Alexander, Grimes and Conner Frankamp were all plan A type recruits. Then you have plan A recruits that work out just fine like Dotson, Udoka, Dave, Josh, Garrett, Wiggins, Selden, Embiid, Oubre (almost didn't but I would say he was a success).
Some other scramble recruits: Svi, Graham, Vick, Billy Preston (does not pick KU if KU gets Ayton, period), Agbaji, Harris, Braun, Wilson, the entire 2011 recruiting class except Ben, Anrio Adams, Landen Lucas.
@Marco Ellis was more athletic than he gets credit for by a large portion of the fan base imo.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Fwiw Adams is a kid that was top 25-30 and then fell off a bit. Similar to Perry but with a different trajectory. Perry iirc was top 5 at one point, maybe just top 10. But he moved around a bit.
I was somewhat down on Grimes as well due to things I heard about him, and was down on KJ and Charlie as well. I thought they were bad fits. I do think Adams is a better fit for Self based on what I've seen and read. Obviously I've been wrong before as well, I thought Bragg would do well..
Not to go jaybate but Selden was definitely hampered by injuries in his time at KU. Hopefully Bryce stays healthy but I agree he does not have one ultra elite trait.
I have similar concerns with TGF but I think he is going to play a lot because Self loves him.
If Mitch could actually score the ball he would be amazing. But he is great at all the little things, Lucas was too and that plays with Self.
I would also start CB over Agbaji I would like to see Agbaji get down to the 20 minute range but this absolutely will not happen.
I'd crap myself if Enaruna gets to Svi's level as a shooter. He had a lot of threes that just were not even close. Svi had the bad first year not playing a lot too but it was evident that he would be a good shooter. He was known as a shooter coming in. The other thing is Svi had TRex arms, Enaruna is like a bird with huge wings. This helps his defensive potential enormously and is his path to sticking in the league I think. Just get the shooting to a competent level and engage/understand defense.
Agree on Jalen. If Tristan does get stuck in Europe, Jalen is the main beneficiary imo.
I feel sad for Silvio. He looked lost on offense last year. Like you said everything got knocked off track for him.
The staff seems high on Harris. Agree we don't know yet, he hasn't played a minute at KU. The word is he is an excellent pure pg that distributes the ball very well. Teams will likely try to make him actually finish drives as much as possible, because he is pass first.
I feel like Gethro and Jossell were scramble takes while the NCAA crap was at full tilt. It would not shock me if both end up elsewhere.
@justanotherfan I agree and I think developing a great level jump shot is his path to playing at KU. Jerry touches on that in fact (screen cap below). He is absolutely a 4-5 year guy. That's even being mentioned now, which is fairly rare before guys even get to college. I don't think he is a starter his first two years, if he's okay with that then great.
I decided to screencap Jerry's breakdown for those w/o VIP.
Never go full Kyrie.
More in depth look from Jerry here. He thinks KJ would do well under Self.
The entire Trae Young season was a disaster for everyone not named Trae Young. Several guys basically quit iirc.
I expect some attrition that we are not expecting. Let's say two more people besides Garrett, Silvio and Mitch leave, that means a 5 man class. Really don't need more wing/4 types though, that's for sure. Would love to add a 5 and 2 more guards if that were the case.
@Texas-Hawk-10 um, OU did not go to the ff Trae Young's year there. They went 18-14 and lost to URI in their first tournament game.
@JAYHAWKFAN214 ST Johns had 100% pick rates for Jordan Riley until the day before his announcement when everybody pivoted to Georgetown, we will see.
Jerry Meyer is projecting him as a P5 starter with the comparison being Kristian Doolittle. I'd take that and run with it.
@justanotherfan could KJ Lawson dunk? Serious question I don't remember. Adams definitely can. He's a solid shooter, already better than Jamari. Not saying he will light the world on fire at KU but I think he has a good chance at a very solid 4-5 years.
@jayhawks2010 A friend of mine that is at Sunrise was very concerned about KB's shooting. Said it was broken. I mentioned this before when it was believed KU would land him so it's not just a sour grapes thing. I still think he would have been really good at KU, but it would have cost KU a game or two for sure.
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
Good news is Adams is ultra productive. 23 and 9 for his HS team last year as a junior. Plenty of time to work on the jumper and his body. Ideally could be a nice small ball 4 man.
Just saw this. Yeah he compiled stats and his team won a lot. 33-2.
BSnow used that same term, production. Also seen it mentioned that he is known for his toughness and rebounding prowess. This kid, assuming he does come to KU, is going to be like Ochai, Lucas, Agbaji and play way more than many fans think he should. So in that sense, I feel this is a smart decision for him lol.
@FarmerJayhawk yeah that's logical in a normal situation. I'm just not sure they can land any of those guys or the other 5s on the 24/7 target list in the current climate.
@FarmerJayhawk reasonable comp. Actually extremely similar size too. Do you know where he is on the priority list? Self seems more grounded lately but wondering if the staff thinks they have a shot at Reid, Kepnang, Etienne etc..
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn't see position played - - is he worth anything ?
He’s a 5. 6’8 265, pure low post/rebounder type. Doke-esque touch from the line. https://www.loganvols.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/curry_sydney_t8do ↗
Been watching highlights. I think he might be the best realistic option we have at the 5. Yeah he's undersized but he is THICK and dunks frequently and violently. I think he would be a great back-up 5 for Dave next year.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I wasn't disagreeing, he is not an ultra elite athlete.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in K.J. Adams:
Functional athleticism sounds like a below the rim player that's going to end up being an defensive liability.
He has some in game dunks in his highlights but he's no Udoka or even that JUCO kid KU offered two days ago.
From Jerry Meyer on 247
A powerful athlete at 6-7 and out of Austin (Texas) Westlake High School, Adams is ranked No. 73 in the 2021 247Sports Composite. He is a combo forward with a power oriented offensive game and defensive versatility.
KJ Adams scouting report:
Extremely strong and powerful athlete. Not necessarily a fast twitch high flyer in space, but an athlete who can move bodies and has a feel for the game. Possess functional athleticism. Effective in traffic. Can score through contact. Best in the middle of the court attacking off one or two dribbles. Keeps defense honest with his shooting. Willing and adequate passer. Dangerous on the boards. Has defensive versatility.
@Marco I think the staff views them similarly given the press for Adams after whiffing on KB.
https://247sports.com/Player/DeAnte-Green-46094323/ ↗
Speaking of wing/forward type players. NC State is his "dream school" but it sounds like he will visit KU. Think it's one of those two or Louisville unless Nike swoops in.
@BeddieKU23 Totally agree, like Frank and Graham. Always good to have more actual guards, as the roster is now we have a LOT of wings.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Recruiting:
offered PG Rahsool Diggins committed to Uconn. As far as we know Hickman remains the main target and hopeful commitment at the PG position.
UConn is back in the game. I see no reason why they shouldn't be the best basketball school in the AAC.
All things considered Hickman, Bates, Adams, Clemence and a warm body at the 5 would be a home run.
Not fully sure on Bates anymore or who the center will be. I'd be fine with the JUCO kid or Landers as long as Dave is back we don't need much immediately at the position. Hickman is the big immediate need. Yeah the staff likes Harris but Hickman would come in and start no doubt in my mind.
I like what I'm seeing on youtube. Willing passer, finishes through contact, serviceable jump shot. And yeah seems like the staff turned up the heat after KB went to Baylor, where KJ was initially leaning. Basically a swap if you will.
@FarmerJayhawk also the ncaa bullshit.
Hickman would be ideal, need an impact guard with Garrett leaving.
KU not involved here but just another example of the rankings struggling to catch up: https://247sports.com/Player/Josh-Minott-46100032/ ↗
Unranked but top 5 of Texas, Memphis, Baylor, Maryland and Florida State.
New JUCO offer out
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Seen where w got 2 more CB'S off 247 for KJ - - makes 4 CB'S for the day. - -Checked rivals again it was 75 % to 25 % for Tech - -now KU at 80 % - -but Tech at 31 % - - - umm what ? lol
KU has all the recent expert picks on Rivals. Texas Tech has no expert picks, but a lot of "fan" picks which I think are open to any account with a paid membership. Admittedly, their system can be a bit confusing.
Pay attention to KJ Adams who is announcing on the 31st.
Nice.
Dead last on the interior depth chart, needs to get stronger.
https://247sports.com/Player/Richard-Isaacs-Jr-46058747/ ↗
IF the NCAA crap is decided before next recruiting cycle we could have a shot here. Wasatch connection and KT has a close relationship with his family.
@FarmerJayhawk that's a WILD top 10.
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPilgrimKSR/status/1285648490459213828 ↗
KU doesn't want to have to take this dude, but would be a good add if they do.
Interesting word choice. Can you elaborate? Poor attitude?
@FarmerJayhawk I hope you are right because he needs to get better if he is going to play massive minutes regardless.
@jayhawks2010 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Is Micwaber etienne an option still? I know we offered and he’s a top 50ish center? That year we will have a jr braun, wilson, Enruna, ochai. Maybe Thomson or tgf if they return. A very good McCormick. Clemence will be an impact freshman. So I think we will be fine! Key is we need a good point guard. Hickman is key. You land him the class still has 2 top 50 players both addressing our need a power forward and a top pg. With 2022 hopefully adding top 50 level shooting guard talent in Grady dick. It’s annoying Baylor stole a recruit we should always get, but the league needs to be strong. That helps us prepare for a championship run, and gives us more credit when we win it. Baylor’s biggest advantage next year is that we may not have fans in the stadium next year, which takes away our home court advantage
He was probably never a real option due to his aau team.
22 if KU is out from the NCAA shadow could be a strong class. Lots of good local talent. There are also some kids that want to be Jayhawks but it will be interesting to see if KU makes a push such as Juju Ramirez and Braden Appelhans.
Agbaji is a more or less a replacement level player at KU, maybe slightly below even but he has traits that Self values a bit too highly at times.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Doesn't mean he should be though. He's a solid defender, but that's about his only positive attribute on the floor which is why Self plays him. That said, Agbaji's defense isn't good enough to negate how bad he is on the floor unlike Garrett who, even as a worse shooter than Agbaji, is a much better offensive player than Agbaji because Garrett can dribble, pass, and drive to the basket and be a force on offense. Agbaji only plays the minutes he does because Self doesn't have a better option at this point. I will also say that I think Agbaji's defense only seems as good as it does because he's spent a lot of his time on the floor at the 4 spot so he's mostly guarded slower players.
I'm gonna call it now and say that after Agbaji leaves KU, he's gonna be debated about in the same category as Jamari Traylor who actually had a better career PER than Agbaji does now and was actuallyuch better PER in Big 12 games.
With the plethora of 4's KU has next year, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Agbaji have a big reduction in minutes this upcoming season. I'll say it now that KU's best line up next season is going to be Garrett, Thompson, Braun, Lightfoot, McCormack.
I agree with some of this but I can't even envision KU's best line-up next year involving Mitch Lightfoot. If we are going to bring up stats with Agbaji, which I think is fair then you have to look at Mitch's stats too. Career negative OBPM, average PER (factoring in he mostly played as a big, it's more or less on par with Agbaji because PER favors bigs) etc... I will believe he is a real threat from three when he takes and makes a real number per game. Where he does well is defensively, which is where I think next year has a lot of potential in general.
So I think Agbaji should see a minutes reduction, but I don't think Mitch should be playing more than 15 in any given game. If Mitch does prove to be a much improved player then he should and will get big minutes.
I have heard that Self is absolutely enamored with TGF, fwiw. @FarmerJayhawk Have you heard similar?
@approxinfinity agree with this. He had a great year last year. However 6 of the last 8 years he has double digit losses including 2 NIT appearances.
Big 12 championships
Bruce Weber 2
Scott Drew 0
Drew doesn't have a FF either hmm.
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@wissox said in Just what we & Big 12 needed:
@Marco I kind of disagree. I think Drew can recruit, but I don't think he's all that great at coaching. With the talent he's had I believe he should have made a FF or two by now.
Imagine starting the conference 15-0 and losing it soundly. Couldn't be our coach.
@BeddieKU23 yep..exactly my sentiment. Things look good now but things looked like a near lock with KB.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I am thinking a wing will have to fill in at guard. I believe the staff would like to add two guards. Sallis and Hickman in a perfect world but I don't think Sallis ends up at KU. Hickman and Bates would be fine.
Jordan Riley will end up at ST Johns would be my guess.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Yikes!
Recruiting seems not great atm, fortunate to land Clemence. Need to just get the NCAA crap done with. Doesn't seem like we have a shot at any elite 5s, but at least we will have SR Dave hopefully.
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@jayballer73 I believe that will happen. Much more of a need than a wing.
yes I do agree with you on that my friend - question is have you heard of any legit posibilities at this stage ?
I'd keep an eye on Logan Landers.
@jayballer73 I believe that will happen. Much more of a need than a wing.