Had ton of chances to get this game close
BShark
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Offense is a huge issue
Clown call
YIKES
truehawk93 said:
Vick, ugh
Not his night tonight.
Mood
Agbaji in over Grimes to start this half. GOOD.
approxinfinity said:
Assists, rebounds, and 3pt attempts looks liek the difference in the box score. That should all be correctable with adjustments at half time.
This KU team just doesn't play that well as a team. I am not sure the assist numbers are ever going to get much better.
Now, if most of the core returns for next season, they will probably improve in that regard.
And yeah, 3PA...tale as old as time with Bill. We can talk about KU missing open looks but KU is only 3-8, that's solid for this team. Literally identical to ISU as they are 6-16, but obviously they shot twice as many. Weird that they have more points...
approxinfinity said:
Well, at least they got the turnovers under control...
Now about that defense....
Iowa State on three-pointers: vs. Kansas: 19-for-40 (48%) vs. everyone else: 33%
Dotson missing lay-ups and ISU getting all open looks. Prohm is obliterating Self tonight. A complete pantsing.
ISU has a guy with 2 fouls guarding Dedric. This shouldn't be rocket science.
Woodrow said:
Can we please get Dedric some touches.
Baffles me that this team doesn't play through him more.
This team has so many defensive lapses that they can't afford.
DCHawker said:
ISU is 8-11 on 2 point shots. If they start hitting 3s, this could be a blow out...
Yup...
Funny, ISU is playing their best players with 2 fouls in the first half.
Bwag said:
Baylor showing us how it's done in WVU
Yeah, that was a terrible loss.
Woodrow said:
Also, why is Charlie coming in?
I'm terrified.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Grimes actually made a defensively play. Nice.
A miracle
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
cragarhawk said:
Lol. Wow. If they could hit the ground with their hat in 3 tries this is a blowout already
This. We're lucky they aren't up by 10-15 right now. They're missing wide-open shots.
Yup, quite fortunate. Balancing out for the last game so far...
DCHawker said:
Have we actually run a play yet this game???
This team doesn't run plays.
BeddieKU23 said:
Horton tucker shooting 27% from 3 so naturally he makes an nba guarded 3 like it was his job
Par for the course tbh
BeddieKU23 said:
Just going to enjoy how bad this team is. Hope for the best.
The hope is that Dotson, Grimes etc stay and develop.
cragarhawk said:
I love how we leave shooters open on the perimeter. It's a bold strategy.
Part of this is Self's fault.
BeddieKU23 said:
Not sure what is worse, watching Grimes try and score or watch him play defense
I'd say I don't understand why he plays so much, but optics and Chuck is worse.
BeddieKU23 said:
Blown out at home. Might happen
Terrible match-up. ISU is good.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
defense is even worse
I'm not sure, I think the offense is worse.
DCHawker said:
Grimes gave a nice wave hello as Shayok drove by...
Grimes being terrible on defense is a big part of why this team isn't better.
Playing ISU twice before playing several other league teams once is dumb.
BeddieKU23 said:
Hot take, seth picks Iowa st
This is my shocked face
wissox said:
Carolina is kind of a schizo team it seems.
Their results definitely support this. Bizarre.
Revenge game!
Probably smash WVU with Doke tbf.
Roy used to pull Cali kids but I understand your point.
dylans said:
Why Andy didn’t take one more shot at the end zone before kicking is beyond me.
There were soooo many things in this game, but this was a big one.
Amen @Crimsonorblue22
Missed a wide open TD. That one will sting.
Sigh. Completely outclassed.
Seems like KU might have a shot with Johnny Juzang.
Kcmatt7 said:
Self know how to develop them over years, absolutely. But he’s clueless as to how to coach with them in game when they’re this young. And most of it is his own strange trust issues.
The compounding issue is elite guards only stay one year and Bill still chases them. In the case of Grimes, he ended up not being elite.
This team has three very good players in Dedric, Garrett and Dotson. Though Dotson obviously played poorly yesterday. A FR playing badly on the road who would have guessed? The other two starters are atrocious at defense and rebounding. I think Agbaji is closer to being a dude than Grimes is at this point, but he finally played like a FR yesterday as well. Vick is certainly needed for his shot making, unfortunately so you have to keep playing him.
KJ is at his best when he plays at the 4 with Dedric at the 5. If I were Self, this would be the only time I play KJ. He doesn't work with Dave.
Hmm, maybe Iowa State or KSU wins the league.
Hawk8086 said:
@BShark I think you are a good dude and you know your BBall….but come on......0-6???
I did say I think they come out of the next 5 games 3-2. But it's possible. Every single game in that stretch is very losable.
kjayhawks said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I want whatever wins championships. Lol
Under Bill, it's experienced guard play.
Evidence: all his FF appearances.
2008: JR, JR, SR, FR
2012: SR, JR, RS JR, RS SR Walk-on
2018: SR, SR, RS SO, JR
BigBad said:
We are never landing 1,2,3 of any recruiting class. Unless we switch to NIKE.
Even then I doubt it. KU would, imo, be below Duke, UK and Oregon in their pecking order. Perhaps under AZ too.
BigBad said:
@kjayhawks Dotson and Grimes were both top level recruits. Fans need to stop assuming High School success equals instant college success.
It took Mario, Rush and Russ Rob awhile too.
kjayhawks said:
@BShark agree we could be decent next season but Self has to up his recruiting game. We need good guards and bigs at the same time not either or.
Next year could be an excellent mix. Team would be stellar if Doke and Silvio are back.
kjayhawks said:
Hopefully the transfer U BS will end after this pieced together group. I dont see us missing the NCAAs, win 4 more games and we are in because off of our name. I'm terrified of how bad Self has struggled with recruiting. I think we are gonna have a down year and that's ok. It was gonna happen at some point but I'm thinking it goes farther than one year.
I agree with the transfer part. I'd be pretty okay with not taking many more transfers. Grad transfers to fill a need perhaps.
Definitely too many quality wins to miss the tournament, barring an insane flameout.
I disagree that, assuming Self stays this turns into a prolonged down stretch. If Dotson and Grimes are both back, they will be better next year. BUT, we absolutely need guys to come back. I don't think any kind of spring miracle is happening in recruiting.
So if next year the 8 man rotation is Dotson, Grimes, Garrett, Agbaji, Silvio, Doke, Dave and whoever is better between Braun and McBride... That's a top 10 team. Might be a lot to expect two of Doke, Dedric and Silvio to be back though. I think next year the guard rotation will be quite good. The worst case scenario for bigs is Dave and Mitch, which is pretty terrifying.
The next 5 games and how this team responds will shape the season. I could legit see them going 0-5 and having a 6 game losing streak but it will probably be 3-2 somehow.
Kcmatt7 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Garrett is attacking the rim. Props there. That makes his lineup presence a positive. Really like what I've seen.
It's a bit sad that we can script something for Dedric.
Heck, Dotson couldn't even get open to get the ball in his hands.
SDS becoming eligible is perhaps THE key moving forward.
@Kcmatt7 I've been over the streak for quit a while .. like since it started. We play this game as a blue blood to be a champion. It's like the Braves winning the NL East. Nice streak. Impressive. One title.
BUT THIS IS FAR FROM OVER ON ALL FRONTS. Lots of season left. Heck, we could win the tourney as a 5 seed.
It just became the one goal. Instead of a part of the journey. Self even seems overly fixated on it.
I agree and I find it disturbing.
Oh and I don't think this team has any chance to win the NCAAT. Certainly not w/o Silvio.
BeddieKU23 said:
Besides vick nobody has that shooters mentality on the team. Both Dotson and Grimes are at least a year away from developing it at this stage. We have young guards and it shows
Agree. I can't think of a good Self team that had so many young guards.
Now, if guys stay, this team could be really special the next couple years as Dotson, Grimes etc develop.
I feel Bill is to blame for the lack of shooting on the roster. And hell, he was planning to run off Vick, the best shooter.