He's a 4 trying to play as a guard.
BShark
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Woodrow said:
After listening to Matt Scott on the podcast that @BShark posted yesterday I honestly think this came down to Nova telling him he could play the 3. Why he thinks he is a 3 is beyond me and most scouts, but hey that's his prerogative.
Agree. Some good stuff in that podcast.
dylans said:
@BShark 3 days is a long time, must’ve gone well! Dotson’s replacement?
Could be. Bill gave the offer himself directly to Lander.
Some signs of encouragement with Doke last night, 3 assists and 2 turnovers. Hopefully in real games, teams can't get away with hacking him as much.
BeddieKU23 said:
KU should win but can't replicate last night's effort if they want to start off the season well. I say we feed Dedric the ball as much as possible and just let things develop around him. He's so clearly on another level from everyone else
I'm interested to see the rotations. Self always plays everyone in the exhibitions so we can't take anything from that. My hope is that only 8 guys mostly play against MSU.
approxinfinity said:
@Blown I know! Hoping he's well and comes back fired up for basketball season.
I've given him a hard time, but I do hope he is okay.
@jayhawkcsg Some thoughts on your thoughts.
KJ is a 4, I would bet Self knows this, but KJ has a lot of pride and thinks he is a guard. Could this cause tension all year? I hope not. He's a good enough option at the 4 if he's willing to bang. He could serve as a back-up to his brother as well as play with him (as the two bigs).
I think a lot of it with Doke is adjusting to the two big system. He looked a fair bit better against Washburn. He got the crap hacked out of him both games. With an honest whistle, he's probably shooting 18+ ft both games. But I get letting things go a bit in these exhibitions. A huge key for Doke will be passing it back out of the post. He was a little better last night, but still a few times went up with the ball instead of finding a wide open shooter on the wing or in the corner.
As for Vick, I'm not really surprised. Driving the ball just isn't in his DNA.
I love what I see from Dotson as well. He could be a HUGE problem by his JR year. This year he just needs to contribute well enough, move the ball along, drive when he can.
I've been talking about how Grimes has that Selden drift to him. I'm thinking it will be like that all year. When the chips are down though, when it's a big game and the team needs him? Self will push him then, and get the best out of him. He can absolutely be a special player. A shame he is so set on being OAD, I think he'd really benefit from more time under Self.
I would be stunned if Agbaji doesn't RS. He seems to be willing and in for the long haul which is good. He will be a factor as early as next year and like Bill said, he's gonna rack up a lot of stats before he is done at KU.
Big Dave should be a testament to how bad the 2018 class was. No offense to Dave, who is a great kid. But McDAA and top 30? He will be good in time but his ranking has put unrealistic expectations on him from portions of the fan base (not you, of course).
Mitch shouldn't be near the court with this roster, but if KJ isn't going to hustle, then Mitch should get more minutes.
I've been high on Garrett and his overall game. He was okay last night but if he is a non-factor on offense and playing 25 minutes a night, that's going to be an issue. Hopefully he gets it together on that end, I'd like to see him drive more.
@Blown Moving to the northeast.
I'm going with...
MSU 75 KU 60
@jayballer73 Yeah the turnovers are bad. So many were just sloppy play or not having much experience playing with who you are playing with. One stood out to me where Grimes made an anticipation pass to Dotson but Dotson went the opposite way.
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Elijah Elliott is going to RS. 5 year walk-on hyyype.
"Walk-on"
Should I have said bag man?
Elijah Elliott is going to RS. 5 year walk-on hyyype.
Ballard actually said in post game that the refs let them just mug KU's bigs. :joy:
approxinfinity said:
This is the first I've seen Mccormack interviewed. Seems like a good kid.
Dave and Ochai will be fan favorites before it's all said and done.
Apparently Lander was on campus three days. Visit went pretty well.
YOU GUYS DOKE WAS 5/6 FROM THE LINE.
I heard a big part of not getting Sam Williamson is that the staff thinks Agbaji will be a factor next year, maybe start. I think we are far enough removed from his commitment now that it won't read like sour grapes.
BigBad said:
Ochia in 2 years under Hudy will be a beast. He has that type of build that will fill out easily.
He's already a freak athletically too. I can see why Self has been gushing over him.
BigBad said:
Grimes may be a 2 year player. I don’t see enough speed and lift for him to play NBA ball. May need to lose some weight
Ideally yes, but he thinks he is OAD.
Ochai is better than KJ right now. There I said it...
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BShark said:
If I am Self I am rolling with Moore, Dotson, Garrett, Vick, Mitch, Dedric and Doke in big games.
No Grimes?
Forgot Grimes. That was supposed to be my 8-man rotation.
DanR said:
My wife (KU prof) observed McCormick's intro to poetry class this week and said he seems like a great student.
He will be. He was talking about 4 years and the degree he wanted after he committed.
Kcmatt7 said:
Too bad Philly drafted Fultz instead of Tatum
ALL TIME DRAFT FUCK UP
If I am Self I am rolling with Moore, Dotson, Garrett, Vick, Mitch, Dedric and Doke in big games.
Kcmatt7 said:
Q has it all. Can dribble, finish at the Rim, Shoot the trey, pass the ball. Has the size and athleticism. Future NBA stud
Agree. Hopefully he realizes some of his potential by March.
BigBad said:
Lawson really does play like the old man at the Y who’s team never leaves the court.
Lifetime hooper.
joeloveshawks said:
@BShark you guys are kidding, right?!? Remember 2013 when we didnt kill Fort Hayes St and Louisiana Monroe in the preseason? No one could handle that we looked mediocre while Duke murdered teams. Then we beat Duke in Chicago in the same game we have this year with MSU. Lots of plays simply not being run. Have we literally run any real plays yet? I think we thump MSU.
RCJH
13 ended pretty badly though.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
approxinfinity said:
THERE is is Udoka, dribble with authority out of the double team, find the open man. That calm your nerves a bit about regression?
No. Vick was wide-open before he put the ball on the floor. He should have just passed it without dribbling. He needs to stop dribbling.
Doke has a lot to work on. He greatly benefited from being the only big out there last year.
DanR said:
Have we ever had a player that compares to Dedric? I think he's going to be a scoring machine, but he has to be the most un-athletic big man in KU history.
Hmm, Moody wasn't very athletic. Not a similar player to Dedric at all though. I think Georges Niang is a good comp.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark He won't be mistaken for Dedric. This team is going to take time. We could have as many losses this year as we had last year. We have alot of guys not sure what to do next. There's going to be some learning curves, I'm afraid.
Agree. This team COULD be very good but it's going to take time and some lumps before they potentially get there.
We have so many bigs, but the best line-ups are small ball...
BeddieKU23 said:
Not winning Tuesday with this effort. Very concerned
Not winning Tuesday period. Michigan State is a cohesive team with 3 excellent college players and some role players. MSU by 15+ imo.
Kcmatt7 said:
I think Self may have used the Lawson's to get to Dedric. I am starting to suspect he cuts ties with them this offseason depending on how recruiting all shakes out...
Someone on the phog called him CJ Henry 2.0. I don't think we are there yet...
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
I know it’s only a game and a half of exhibitions but I don’t see a lottery pick in Grimes right now.
Last game I definitely saw a lot that looked like an NBA PG. He has the size and the vision.
I don't know that they'll be looking at much else honestly.
Sad but true.
DanR said:
10 turnovers.... yuk
Going to be a problem all year I think.
Kcmatt7 said:
KJ is kind of butt
My eyes told me this when watching him at Memphis, but then we heard so many good things from around the program. Hopefully he gets it going.
Kcmatt7 said:
@DanR I'm more concerned with the D and lack of confidence in taking shots. Add in just simply not being ready to shoot. Guys making the easy pass to the wide open guy and they pass up a shot because they weren't ready to catch and shoot.
Well said. I noticed that a lot as well. Need more confidence!
approxinfinity said:
This Washburn team really has my son worried
How old is your kiddo?
BigBad said:
Guys leaving early sucks. Grimes/Dotson could develop into rush/charmers but won’t get chance. Remember how bad Mario struggled early his freshman year?
Dotson should be around for awhile.
approxinfinity said:
Lord this is ugly
Truly awful!
Woodrow said:
When Self coached team USA didn’t Grimes shoot the ball really well?
Half the games he was good, the other half were really bad.
BigBad said:
This will be a year self has to coach his ass off just to meet normal expectations(big 12 title and 30ish wins) yet the nation has the ultimate expectations(#1 rank).
Agree. He might get good rotations figured out or he might just keep throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. There is some talent here so hopefully things start to become cohesive but this team is absolutely going to take some lumps early on, starting on Tuesday.
Doke had Vick WIDE open on the wing. Jeeeez
Moore gets obliterated on D but bailed out by the post, then hits a three. LOL
approxinfinity said:
@BShark which one? Both?
KU. Washburn will be okay at their level. This is an embarrassing start.
What if this team is actually bad?
Turnovers are still a huge issue.
DOTTTTTSON
Charlie Moore ain't it, like I've been saying.