wissox said:
No time to read through this right now. Does this mean we might have to vacate wins/final fours from last year?
This scenario is becoming increasingly unlikely, imo. The verdict today was huge for KU.
BShark
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@mayjay Thank you for your input. The way I see it the defense was trying to argue the coaches were extensions of the university, and they got shut down.
Also I am not sure where they found this judge, but he seemed to be very contentious towards the defense.
jayballer73 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@Woodrow KK was looking for a sound bite. Asked about it being a level playing field and how KU has won 10 years in a row.
you know what I have to say about KK ? - - -screw him, he is so much of a hater - -big ol purple boy - -you know what I say about that purple boy school? -- screw them - - - kk just loves to whine bitch cry -they go hand in hand
Big salty purple boi.
@jayballer73 This result is amazing for KU as far as I can tell.
@mayjay maybe you can chime in as I am no legal expert. BUT, as far as I understand this, since they were found guilty of defrauding KU, as far as the law is concerned KU as an institution couldn't have been part of the fraud. And obviously Self and Townsy are university employees so as far as this result is concerned, they were not a part of it. I'm not sure how anything happens to Self/Townsy/KU at this point but we will see I suppose.
Dear Jayhawk Community,
During the past three weeks in a federal courtroom in New York City, the University of Kansas and our men’s basketball program have been the subjects of testimony and speculation during the trial of three defendants accused of defrauding three universities, including KU. The trial concluded today with jury verdicts of guilty on all counts of conspiracy and wire fraud.
First, we want to remind you of developments that predate this trial. In fall 2017, amid concerns about student-athlete recruitment, the NCAA instructed each Division I institution to conduct a review of its men’s basketball program to ensure compliance with NCAA rules. KU took the issue seriously and engaged outside counsel to assist our review. At the same time, KU has been working with prosecutors, including fulfilling all obligations of subpoenas issued to us.
During the trial, information was presented regarding a former KU student-athlete, a current KU student-athlete, and KU men’s basketball coaches. Some of the information we were aware of, and some is new to us. The new information needs to be evaluated and understood. We have already been in contact with the NCAA regarding trial developments and will continue to work with NCAA staff moving forward.
Two additional federal trials are set for February and April 2019. Thus, we remain unable to fully comment on the issues before us. By limiting our comments, we are able to protect the integrity of the federal matters and the work of the NCAA.
While that work continues, we remain fully supportive of our student-athletes, our coaches and our men’s basketball program. Coach Self and Kansas Athletics are committed to maintaining a culture of compliance, and we will continue these efforts. Kansas Athletics has been, and will continue to be, committed to excellence and integrity.
So, what now? First, we will await guidance from prosecutors as to next steps regarding the criminal matter. Second, once the Justice Department clears us to move forward, we will work with the NCAA to vigorously review new information presented during the trial. Third, we will continue to review the eligibility of all our student-athletes to ensure that they meet the eligibility standards of the NCAA and KU.
Finally, while we have made no decision regarding a long-term contract extension with our apparel partner, adidas, we continue to evaluate our options. There is no timetable for a decision. A strong apparel partnership is important and beneficial to all our student-athletes and our institution, and we will take great care in making the right decision for KU.
We look forward to updating you on these matters when it is appropriate to do so. In the meantime, as our men’s and women’s basketball seasons approach, we encourage you to continue to support the incredible young men and women in our programs.
Respectfully,
Douglas A. Girod
Chancellor
Jeffrey P. Long
Director of Athletics
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When's that trial?
April I think.
Convenient huh
Yeah, not weird at all.
Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When's that trial?
April I think.
Guilty: All Counts
lolololololololololol.opololol
Careful you said:
His posts about the shoe companies stacking some schools with talented players has been proven, in my mind
Agree.
And KU is one of them, of course.
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I'd love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Well for one they don't employ the Gassnola's of the world from what I'm aware of a few situations. I would imagine not a ton of difference, just a well oiled machine with a lot of power and influence
Yeah, plus they just happened to catch a guy on something else that led to Adidas guys mostly. More trials are coming though, we will see what shakes out with Nike.
Myron Medcalf
Verified account @MedcalfByESPN
11m11 minutes ago
Bill Self opening up about the impact of the FBI trial. Hasn't mentioned directly but said he's comfortable with "how we do business" and doesn't expect the trial to have a "negative" impact on his legacy. Repeats that he'll make a comment once the trial is over.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Nike probably was okay that he at least stayed in the brotherhood. But Oscar does come from the same school as Thugnate.
WVU had a lot of connections to him. I have no doubt that someone took money, possible that Oscar didn't see a dime of it though.
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Lulufulu said:
Yah I saw that this am. Horrible news. Ruined my day. Can't imagine what Silvio is going thru right now. Poor kid. I feel terrible for him. He didn't deserve any of this. I just hope he doesn't have to sit the whole season.
I would bet Silvio has known about this for awhile, I don't think the coaches would blindside him with this the day before the game.
Verdict reached. Will be read in 22 minutes.
Huggins said he didn’t think it had been proven just yet that basketball programs were involved in the recruiting scandal but that, if it did happen, it was just a small number of schools involved.
“We’re talking, what, four or five schools at most?” he said, noting there are 361 teams in Division I basketball. “I think the state of our game is fine. If things happened, we all know they shouldn't have happened, but that doesn’t affect that state of our game and the way people go about doing their business.”
What a blowhard Huggins is.
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.
You don't think it's possible that he doesn't play for KU this year and the banner stays up? I think it's possible.
Possible, though remote. To be clear, the thread title is getting way out over your skis.
Fair enough.
FarmerJayhawk said:
“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.
You don't think it's possible that he doesn't play for KU this year and the banner stays up? I think it's possible.
We have like 50 threads on this, but I'll put this here...
Matt Tait @mctait
Self on trial's impact on #KUbball team to date...
“This is something we have to deal with. Is it fun to deal with it? No. But we’ll be stronger when we get through it. And some of the best and most rewarding years (I’ve had) have come when we’ve had to go through some crap.”
Gary Bedore
Verified account @GaryBedore
He said Silvio would not have started as Dedric Lawson and Udoka Azubuike have separated themselves a bit but, where he would plug in Silvio, he said he can plug in McCormack and play KJ Lawson at 4.
Told y'all Grimes has a great basketball mind.
“It’s definitely hard to guard him and keep him in front, especially if he hits you in the chest, it knocks you back a little bit and he can get separation and knock it down,” Teahan says. “He has certain moves in his body that are hitchy, and he’ll get you moving a half step one way and get enough room to knock it down in your face.”
These are the type of moves that won Self over, and once the Jayhawks started recruiting Grimes, the expectation was that they would land him because his mom, Tonja Stelly, also attended KU. But Howard says Stelly was no help. “She made it extra tough for us because she went here,” he says. “She wanted him to make the decision himself.”
Grimes was ultimately convinced it was the best system for him because of Self’s fist offense and the freedom he gives his guards to make multiple reads with the ball in their hands. When Grimes is asked about theoretical plays, he talks out the progressions and options he would have with the ball.
Close your eyes and you can picture Deron Williams, who would play methodically and then beat defenders with a burst. “Deron was sneaky athletic too,” Howard says. “But this kid, he’s freaky. And he’s fast too.”
Grimes is learning to always be on the move when Lawson has the ball, and at a recent practice, the big man found Grimes cutting to the basket. He cocked the ball back as if he was going to dunk it until Silvio De Sousa met him at the rim. Instead of trying to dunk on De Sousa, Grimes adjusted in mid-air, going underneath De Sousa’s left arm and dropped the ball over the rim with a finger roll.
“I was like, ‘woo, that was crazy,’” De Sousa says.
“If that was me or anyone else,” sophomore Chris Teahan says, “they’re flat on their back because Silvio knocks them over.”
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Self just said Doke and Dedric have solidified themselves as the starting bigs.
Makes sense. I want to dream damn it. I have small ball fever. :D
Move to Pennsylvania, follow Villanova. LOL
Lol. Hard pass.
Woodrow said:
Doesn't think losing Silvio really affects the team because of the depth.
Reiterates he is totally confident on how they conduct their business.
I'd agree with this.
approxinfinity said:
@BShark At some point I think Silvio develops a 3 ball. Also, I think Silvio moves better on D than Mccormack or Udoka. This doesn't help us on the defensive end chasing 3-chucking bigs.
Part of the point is that Sam and Aaron don't think you can play Silvio along side McCormack or Doke. They are all back to the basket C type bigs. It's three guys for one spot, essentially. Very crowded.
I've heard a lot of really positive things about McCormack so this will be very interesting.
Woodrow said:
Self just said Doke and Dedric have solidified themselves as the starting bigs.
Makes sense. I want to dream damn it. I have small ball fever. :D
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Oh no way Self doesn't start Dok. You can book that.
I can see Dok starting for sure.
I think it will be interesting to see how Self plays it. I think once you get past Dok and Dedric, the bigs aren't very good so it makes a lot of sense to play small some of the time. But maybe he wants more of a particular identity and Mitch/Dave get bigger minutes than I expect.
Edit: I'm counting KJ as a wing when I say the other bigs aren't very good. KJ is much better than Mitch.
If KU played Silvio they'd basically be taunting the NCAA, imo.
dylans said:
@BShark So Doks not even in your 8 man roster!?!
I meant Dok instead of Mitch. I'll edit that LMAO.
I think Dok plays around 22 mpg.
BeddieKU23 said:
Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season
At least we all saw this one coming.
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Dotson
Grimes
Vick
KJ
Dedric
What's this list for?
Starters imo, maybe not right away but eventually.
I think now rounding out the 8 man rotation will be Garrett, Moore and Dok. McCormack as a spot duty guy.
Interestingly enough, I think Silvio going out is biggest for Charlie Moore. It slides KJ down to playing the 4 much more and frees up guard minutes.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark And we'll see KJ at the 4 for a stretch tomorrow, I'll bet.
I think he starts tomorrow night along with Dedric. Doke off the bench.
Dotson
Grimes
Vick
KJ
Dedric
mayjay said:
@BShark I think you have to be eligible to play in exhibitions. Our transfers played in the overseas tourneys, but not in exhibitions, I think.
Billy played the exhibitions when he hadn't actually been cleared by then. Not saying it's 100%, but things definitely don't look good.
My biggest concern with this is that he is being withheld from the exhibitions. Those games don't count so reading the tea leaves you could say it's because Self expects Silvio to never play for KU again this year.
Woodrow said:
BShark said:
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2018/oct/24/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-comments/ ↗
Good ole KK...
Couldn't hear it. What did he ask or say?
Typical bs from him. He wants KU to fall to badly.
Kcmatt7 said:
Is it too late for him to change guardians? lol.
:(
mayjay said:
BShark said:
HEM is the kind of person that would kill hundreds of thousands of people to turn a profit, as long as it was allowed within the rules/law.
I think this is much more true of weapons sellers than it is of HEM.
HEM reminds me of the monopoly man. I'll be done replying to him. I snapped a bit for reasons I shouldn't dig into because I'd just make things worse. That's my bad, I shouldn't have went to that level.
approxinfinity said:
@BShark Thanks for the being the bearer of bad news. :(
Someone had to post it, unfortunately.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Braun vs Svi. Does Braun have the potential to be a poor man's Svi?
Different players. Braun has mid-major PG skills at the wing. He can shoot it but not quite like Svi. He's a junkyard dog though from what people say. I plan to go to multiple games, so I'll get back to you on this.
Woodrow said:
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=211777239 ↗
Big 12 also announced this morning a 4 year series / challenge with the Big East. It will start next year.
This was already announced I thought.
"Big 12 extending contract with Kansas City through 2024 for Big 12 Tournament. Let's just make that lifetime."
Damn. So close!