https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article214008019.html ↗
BShark
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@Kcmatt7 EJ is a great addition. :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag: :moneybag:
1 — Dedric Lawson, big man, redshirt-junior (transfer)
2 — Charlie Moore, point guard, redshirt-sophomore (transfer)
5 — Quentin Grimes, guard, freshman
10 — Elijah "E.J." Elliott, shooting guard, freshman (walk-on)
11 — Devon Dotson, point guard, freshman
13 — K.J. Lawson, forward, redshirt-sophomore (transfer)
20 — Garrett Luinstra, combo guard, freshman (walk-on)
30 — Ochai Agbaji, forward, freshman
33 — David McCormack, big man, freshman
wissox said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I agree since what's the point of posting an article we can't read?
I mean you can read it, lol.
Kcmatt7 said:
This team is built to win it all. Doke and Dedric combo is going to be down right dirty.
This team excites Self.
One last nugget from the article
Self’s early impressions from summer practices: “It is much harder to score because the court seems more crowded.”
There’s a hint of joy in Self’s voice when he says this. Obviously he would like to have better shooters to make it easier to space the floor, but he’s also enjoying the possibility he could have an elite defense again. Last year’s group, which finished 47th in adjusted defensive efficiency, was his worst defensive team in his 15 years at Kansas. “I think when you score easier, sometimes guys take the foot off the gas defensively a little bit,” Self says. “Our foot should be down the whole time defensively, because we are not going to be a team that can run bad offense and come away with three points like we’ve been able to last year.”
@Crimsonorblue22 The gist is that Dedric is a complete badass. Best player on next year's team by a large margin, best shooter (Moore noted as the 2nd best shooter) and Dedric is one of the best passers Self has ever seen. Not for a big, for any player he has coached.
Another quote: “Dedric is not the quickest-twitch athlete and he’s not the highest jumper, but he has great feel. We’ll be able to run offense through him as much as any big guy we’ve had here.”
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Just poop since we can't read the whole article!
Good journalism costs money. The athletic is worth it imo.
I know I said it was for bracket positioning. :p
HighEliteMajor said:
I just thank the refs in the Duke game for fouling up Carter ... that was quite the screw job.
But Nike EST tho
That is literally the Belgian back-up 11 with their current roster. :grinning:
@JayHawkFanToo Those line-ups are trying to lose for bracket positioning lol.
Talk about trying to lose...
dylans said:
Assuming he has the same roster, similar results to what he’s had at KU. If anything they’d be more rested most years as the SEC sucks in general.
I think the SEC is different. More athletic teams than the Big12 but worse coaching.
So this thread brings up an interesting question.
Would Self do better in the same situation as Calipari?
Many people, particularly fellow KU people, would assume yes but I say not so fast. Self's best teams in terms of tournament success outside of the 08 title team have been pretty lean, but experienced.
justanotherfan said:
Given the issues with the KU program (no coach has lasted more than four seasons since Mangino) it will be hard to attract a top coach.
KU will have a hard time finding a replacement with the revolving door of coaches and the constant change of direction for the program.
It will be rough but I am convinced just about anyone would be better than Beaty at this point.
Now, if it means half the roster defects....
@Kcmatt7 Somehow...that story is 100% believable. Really glad Zenger is gone.
Surprised there wasn't a thread about this yet.
This happens everywhere, and is by no means the first high profile case of it at Duke (look at Ojeleye and Thornton) but there is still no chance this really effect EMPEROR K.
Kcmatt7 said:
Not a single one of the losses last year was a one score game. That would be a start.
It's pretty hard to be this bad but we are talking about a staff that looks pretty clueless. Guys are continually put in poor positions to succeed under this staff.
I'm torn. I don't want a max exodus but Beatty is a terrible coach.
@mayjay I suppose insane is pretty vague. :grinning:
jaybate 1.0 said:
BShark said:
Banning for anything other than posting things against site rules (ie posting porn or something insane) or perpetually attacking/threatening other members is a dangerous step, I'd say.
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The subjective value vagaries of defining porn is reputedly historically one of the backdoors used by authoritarian evil doers to justify furthering control of explanations.
I wonder if history likely will add “internet bullying” and “politically correct speech” to “conspiracy” and “conspiracy theory” and “pornography”, as backdoors reputedly used by authoritarian evil doers to constrain the available explanations?
Ok...
jaybate 1.0 said:
Shills and bots using memes and other rhetorical techniques to destabilize sites, smear other aliases and set up site admins and aliases up for recent and upcoming changes in internet regulation aimed to retake control of allowed explanations seems authoritarianism run amok yet again.
It's pretty difficult for bots to sign up on secure sites. Sites like twitter and facebook have basically no barrier to entry.
Banning for anything other than posting things against site rules (ie posting porn or something insane) or perpetually attacking/threatening other members is a dangerous step, I'd say.
approxinfinity said:
Tell him we have plenty of room over here for more @jaybate-1-0 like posters!
I can't take two! :laughing:
Plus I actually have no way to contact him now that he is banned.
They banned a JBate-like poster finally after he went on a wild rambling posting bender. :thinking: :wink:
No malice though. I'm actually very anti-ban and kind of annoyed by the decision there.
jaybate 1.0 said:
specious posting
Great way to describe yourself actually, in addition to being verbose.
approxinfinity said:
Self:
“Ochai could be a high major defender early in his career and his skillset is such that I think he could be an immediate impact player for us. We're fortunate to get a player locally of this talent who possesses all the intangibles you want in a student-athlete."
Dig it
There would need to be rapid improvement for him to play this year outside of garbage time imo.
Nice summer fluff piece in the star.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article213879269.html ↗
approxinfinity said:
@Barney Only the best international sporting spectacle by far. You're not missing everything.
The drama today was pretty damn good.
The Diallo thing definitely didn't do Self any favors and I hope there isn't a situation like that again.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Self doesn't typically redshirt freshmen though. The only guys I can think of who redshirt as freshmen were Traylor and McLemore because of academic issues. I believe everyone else who has taken a voluntary redshirt at KU has done it their 2nd season or later on campus.
Oh no mistake it would up to Agbaji. Lucas took one his first year.
justanotherfan said:
There's a pretty distinct split. Some feel that his gameplans are overly structured, and that makes it difficult for guys to be successful outside of that scheme. This is similar to the "system QB" or "system WR" that racks up good numbers within that specific system, but can't match that success in a different environment. That is a concern raised by some NBA people because Self is very strict about his system.
There are others that are not as concerned about that, to be sure. But it is interesting that lots of KU players have slid in the draft, and I can't think of the last time a KU guy went higher than expected.
I think the way KU has played the last two years should help in this regard. Self was too rigid before, but he is changing.
justanotherfan said:
I would make one change to your starters:
Dotson/Grimes/K. Lawson/D. Lawson/ Doke
Sub Moore in for Dotson if you prefer, but the bottom line is that KJ probably starts and defends the other team's best player, unless that player is a true post. He gives KU the same versatility that Jackson did on the defensive end with his size and quickness.
I hope this is the starting line-up. Garrett and Moore will be the key bench guards and if they do start, the non-starters from the first group there are the key bench guards. I just don't see Cunliffe playing much at all and Agbaji should take a RS.
Kcmatt7 said:
@HighEliteMajor While I don't agree with that, at all. I also feel like you're inserting a broad thing into a very specific case just to say something political and attempt to rile up "leftists."
HEM and Mayjay are best friends.
MOROCCO!!!!!!!
"K.J., he's just a big guard," Self said. "I look at him as a guard that would be a guy like we played [Josh Jackson]. He's an intangible guard. He really understands the game. Dedric, on the other hand, is different. Without question, he's our best passer. He's a low-post player with guard skills. We'll play big. It allows you to space the floor at all times, invert the floor, like Villanova did. The biggest thing is you can run your offense through your bigs."
JayHawkFanToo said:
Here is an interesting ESPN story ↗ on the Lawson family...
Lots of good quotes in here thanks.
He can have a second chance, I hope it's not with the Royals.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Last season Coach Self did not have the luxury of mixing and choosing player to get optimal chemistry since the roster was extremely limited. Fortunately Coach Self has now a number of players he can use in various combinations to get the perfect chemistry going.
There will be some growing pains early on but hopefully Self gets optimal line-ups figured out by Feb/Mar.
BeddieKU23 said:
- Huge concern, maybe the biggest other then chemistry. A game that's transitioning to 3 pt shooting and we have a roster reverting back to the old ways. I guess that's why Self gets paid the big bucks to figure it out.
Lets say Dedric can be around 36% (doable, imo assuming he only takes good looks), Moore gets to 38-39% with a year off to train and playing under Self instead of LOLCUONZOLOL, Grimes is around 37% and Garrett drags himself up to low 30s? The wildcards imo are Dotson and KJ. I think the team is so good these 3 point numbers can be overcame. The bigger issue imo is overall youth and replacing almost all the rotation players.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Dedric will likely be a college basketball star but he is also a "tweener" with limited athletic ability that hopefully Hudy has helped improve over the last year. In the NBA he would be overpowered by bigger, more athletic players so his NBA potential is very limited.
Exactly. It's a fortunate situation for KU.
@HighEliteMajor His point about Nova is there is a rankings cover-up.
Roy winning a NC with the 154th 3 point shooting team doesn't fit the narrative that Self is a God. Please keep up. Please ignore that they beat their final 3 opponents that tournament, all very good teams, while going 3-15, 8-21 and 4-27 from 3. Stats and facts are the enemy. Expand your brain.
@JayHawkFanToo Spot on. Nova went from a meat grinder to a cake-ish conference. If you put Bill in the ACC, BIG or old Big East, his record would be worse.
@BeddieKU23 and others I think it depends on your definition of superstar. In the sense of KD or Michael Beasley at the college level? Doubtful. But superstar for a Self team entails something different, imo. Especially when Self has options. He's just not going to play 35 mpg and have an insane usage rate because of all the depth.
What about when Oklahoma in 2015-16 had 4 trey ballers over 40% and a big in Spangler at 37%? Self and KU still beat that team. Expanding brain stuff as usual. :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:
Molested a 6 year old girl when he was 15.
Are you aware of his transgression @jaybate-1-0
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes projected #6 next year. Enjoy him while we have him because it wont be long
Yepppp
I'm not going to another game for a long time.