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@KUSTEVE Yep! That was the main reason I linked actually.

Saban isn't leaving Alabama. He will retire a god there.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article175067486.html ↗

I actually watched a fair bit of that game and FSU has serious oline problems. Of course it doesn't help that Bama and NCST both have lots of NFL talent on the Dline but still.

BeddieKU23 said:

It could be worse, I'm a fsu fan and have nothing to be excited about either

FSU's 247 board rn...

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HighEliteMajor said:

Grimes and McCormack to KU? Sold.

Provided it does shake out this way, I think that covers KU's needs out of this class. Shores up the front court* and adds a ball handling guard.

*Regardless of what anyone thinks or how ready Preston may or may not be to go pro, Self straight up told recruits that he won't be here next year. McCormack himself mentioned it awhile back after his visit.

So then we get into wants. I think the staff wants a pure PG, a guy that can run the show. Dotson would be ideal, and from what I've read recently he is keeping his recruitment open.

Then you could swing for the fences with Zion and add developmental prospects as needed depending on who leaves early.

Has Bowen been fired yet?

KU's defense has been severely disappointing all season.

Getting chippy in here.

Worth noting that McCormack played on the same AAU team that Andrew White and Frank Mason did.

Win or lose, WVU confirmed worse than MAC teams. :joy:

TTU and Houston in a defensive struggle just like we all predicted.

I think Grimes ends up at KU anyway but what we really want to see is Keldon Johnson go to UK.

It's not hard to figure out why UK, UNC and Duke recruit better than KU for the most part. UK has Cal, the GOAT recruiter with his connections and it's UK. Combine them and he recruits at an unprecedented level. UNC is UNC. Powerhouse program. Jordan. On the east coast. Duke has the perceived greatest coach of all time. Team USA etc...

I'd say Arizona recruits better than KU too, pretty easily. Much better location and campus.

Kansas is...in the middle of nowhere. It's a big battle just getting some kids to actually visit. Look no further than this year when Dotson mentioned that Kansas is better than all the stereotypes.

I'd say KU recruits damn well, considering.

Awesome.

Yeah when you realize KU got this contract purely based off the basketball program, it's pretty insane. Louisville has a slightly better deal imo but they have a real football program so yeah.

Good guy Frank

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approxinfinity said:

@RockkChalkk interesting question about fear of commitment in guards vs big men when in situations that involve competition. Maybe guards need to start to be seen and drafted while bigs can be drafted on height and athleticism alone, regardless of PT?

Cheick Diallo agrees.

NBA scouts will always be tempted by height and potential.

@Kcmatt7 Exactly, Les could just hopefully get the program up to respectability, and really one of the biggest keys is adding OL/DL talent.

Kcmatt7 said:

What about seriously going after Les Miles? He's not a long term solution, but I'm not sure we will ever have that here without it being an alumni hire. Miles could at least continue to build upon the Louisiana pipeline Beaty has built.

Miles or, even better, Chip Kelly would be home runs. Not sure if either would take the job though.

Kcmatt7 said:

McCormack pitch seems pretty simple. Give him a before and after picture of Doke. Should have been enough to seal the deal right there.

Not sure it mattered in this one but Embiid is still paying dividends too. KU offered 7' Serbian stud Balsa Koprivica and when he tweeted about the offer he used a picture of Embiid, lol.

jayballer54 said:

@BeddieKU23 LOL, suddenly they have all become experts right my friend? -- I hear you 100%. - -where are you getting all this from bud? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

What is this in reference to? If you tell me that, I can answer.

If you mean Leech then this: http://247sports.com/Article/Kentucky-Wildcats-hosting-top-50-junior-Marcedus-Leech-for-unoff-53378575 ↗

"That's been my dream since I was a kid. If I get that offer, they’ll be on the top of my list," Leech said. "I like everything. I like how they play, how they get up and down. I like Coach [John] Calipari. He does a lot with his guys and I'm looking forward to my visit there."

jayballer54 said:

@BShark Well thanks for that info -- - Tell me have you ever heard anything on this Grant Sherfield? - - -I know he is a 6'2 shooting guard out of Texas you heard any inside on him? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

He's actually from Wichita originally. I remember reading that he was a bit upset that KU took a commitment from Jacobs.

I think it boils down to how many guards does KU need in the class. Jacobs already committed and a good shot at Harvey, that's already two guards, might not need more than that.

Personally, as a third guard take I'd favour Josh Green or Jalen Lecque if KU could real either in. Sherfield isn't a bad player by any means, and likely multiple years.

@jayballer54 Amen brother.

Here is the 247 profile of S Williamson for you @jayballer54 http://247sports.com/player/samuell-williamson-46043096 ↗

I think he has a wait and see offer. Kid was previously unranked with only total crap offers at the time KU offered. Picking up some actually solid offers lately. As previously mentioned his mom and big bro graduated from KU so if KU presses, gotta think they can get it done.

Imo KU has an excellent chance at JRE, Chandler, Harvey and Hall in terms of kids that I think could announce committing to KU whenever they want.

Leech called UK his dream school. That being said he visited and Cal did NOT offer, so if UK never offers, KU has a real shot.

http://247sports.com/player/david-mccormack-85446 ↗

KU interest level now at favourite. If I had to guess, he committed Wednesday, the info got out so he now figures just get it done. This is just a wild ass guess as I have no idea on specifics.

Assuming he does pop for KU, talk about a LOADED front court next year...

More Dotson stuff from another Phog poster BigCKU...

His family is pushing him to stay on the East coast and Florida is getting the most run from them. Haven't heard anything about coaches. He personally likes KU a little more than Florida and had his family signed off on KU he probably would have committed months ago. I can't speak on how his visit with from his side but from KU side it didn't go any different than 99% of recruits visits.

One thing I was told with the Dotson recruitment is obviously Self wasn't able to win over the family like he does in most recruitments. Charming the family is one of Self's best attributes on the recruiting trail but every now and then Self just is unable to do it. Dotson is one of those recruitments.

Those are from my KU sources. One is someone who works at the school and worked on the weekends for me in Topeka this past summer. The other is a family member who is close to the program and more specifically close to several of the KU boosters. Obviously not going to divulge names so don't try.

The Florida and Maryland guys have been saying that Florida has got in very strongly with the family over the other schools. The Mom wants him close to home. The father wants close to home and wants his son to start immediately.

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer54

The one that has claimed Dotson to Florida isn't chiming in on what appears to be a Florida fan gone mad. He did say if he didn't commit in the next week that could open the door for someone else. It's clear the Dotson's are taking more time then anyone has expected. Recruiting circles said he would be done just after August. He went on vacation came back and took visits. The hurricane further pushed it out. The Florida visit, now a possible Maryland visit if they decide to do that next week. Who knows. I have no more speculating to make on this one

Yeah, Dotson situation is crazy.

This is from some random poster on the phog...

"Dotson situation remains wide open. He will likely visit Maryland.
He didnt have a great official visit at KU."

Same poster said his family is pushing him to Florida.

I have now read from multiple places that Dotson's visit to KU sucked. None are super credible and it could be parroting but it was on all different sites by different user names. Could be complete bs who really knows? We will likely never know exactly why if true.

Leech will go to UK if offered fwiw.

19 is going to be an interesting class. I really really like Malik Hall's game but is there room for him with JRE and Chandler Lawson being likely takes? So much talent with legit, strong KU ties in the class. Gotta close em.

Keeping my eye on Samuell Williamson who I mentioned awhile back. KU legacy recruit. KU had been by far his best offer but others have taken notice of his big summer. Now a top 150 recruit and picked up offers from OU, TAMU, LSU and Marquette.

RockkChalkk said:

So if the hypothesis is true, how come it doesn't seem to apply to the big men? De Souza has committed, Big Dave seems to be ready to do the same, it didn't seem to bother them. There is much more room at the guard spot, meaning less returning players and Self has shown he will mostly play three guards and even 4 at a time if his personnel dictates it. It seems like an illogical conclusion to reach but nobody ever said logic would decide where these kids choose to go.

If you assume Bill is telling recruits that Preston and Doke are gone after this year, it does make some sense. Assuming the info is good and McCormack picks KU one of De Sousa and McCormack will be a back-up though, because Dedric is starting barring injury. Of course being the third big on a Self team still means solid minutes if he trusts you.

BeddieKU23 said:

This is another homerun hit for the staff. Thanks to Billy Preston as well.

Now we want things to go well. Adding Oak Hill to the good ins list along with Mac Irvin Fire, Brewster and IMG would be :fire: :fire: :fire:

HighEliteMajor said:

@BShark Here is the rivals link I found on Graham .. 36. He was of course originally 2013 class, and was not in the top 100 from what I have seen.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2014/devonte-graham-9850 ↗

Thanks. It's crazy sometimes the discrepancy between the sites.

I already mentioned 247 and composite but ESPN, Graham was unranked but 4 stars. Supposedly 41 on Scout but I don't remember him being that high on Scout...wonder if they changed it well after the fact.

But it doesn't really matter, Graham is a great Jayhawk, that's what matters.

David McCormack is announcing Sunday. Gotta say I like the timing...

BeddieKU23 said:

If you think about it a guy like PJ Fleck would have been the perfect hire for KU.

:( :( :(

Huge fan of Fleck, think he's gonna end up being big time.

Btw as for Quickley the kid is dyed in the wool Kentucky truuuuuuuuuue blue. You guys know how much Jacobs loves KU, well Quickley loves UK that much. He just hadn't committed already because Cal has been using him as a recruiting tool which looks better if he isn't officially committed.

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 So you really think Charlie Moore cost us an elite point guard? I'm not holding a high opinion of Moore at the moment -- more of a middling/average opinion. So that just kind of makes me sick.

Completely agree. We need Moore to text his buddy Ayo now.

@HighEliteMajor Where were you using for rankings? I remember Mason was around #50 on 247 which was the highest anywhere but his composite rating was still super low, under 100 and I don't recall Graham being near top 30 anywhere. He was 100-ish in 247 ranking and their composite. Vick oddly enough I do remember had some high rankings.

BeddieKU23 said:

jayballer54 said:

@BeddieKU23 well how much smaller could this Campbell kid be then Jacobs? - -saying might be a bit small - -can't be any smaller then 5'10/ -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

With his hair it makes him much taller. Campbell is a twig though and unless he's filled out his body or figured out how to jump higher he's not in the mold of Mason or Jacobs that make up for being small with ridiculous athletic ability.

Even Sherron was pretty athletic before he got fat.

I don't think Venables would take the KU job but maybe with a new stadium and if the money was right...

Nice, good for Hunter. Thanks for posting, first I had read of this.

Smaller guards that played for Self (including the already committed Jacobs) have been extremely athletic. Not sure where Tyger is at athletically. Never looked into him much.

@Kcmatt7 Agree of course other names will come up it just really sucks with Dotson given the time KU sunk into this one (heavily on him early) and that none of the other "big boys" swooped in, it's freaking Florida.

@HighEliteMajor Wouldn't be a bad idea. There were some MSU rumours but the MSU people have said MSU is no longer interested. Which does make sense because they will have 2 other PG on their roster.

Hawk8086 said:

@BShark So where does that leave us as far as a PG? Haven't all the others been leaning elsewhere?

Hope that they can get back in with Ayo. Ship has probably sailed there and has definitely sailed with Carey, Locke etc...

Grimes isn't a PG, but he would still be huge to land and serviceable. Moore, Garrett and Grimes is enough ball handling if it ends up that the other guard signing would be a developmental type. Maybe look at grad transfers. Names will pop up in terms of recruits and grad transfers, your guess is about as good as mine for what those names will be.

Howard was in to visit McCormack yesterday and will be in Texas to see Grimes today. If Howard closes on both, it's probably time for even his most fervent detractors to shut up about him.

Btw Dotson to UF looks done.

Michael Devoe a 4* PG from Florida meets with coach White and cancels his UF visit. Wanted Florida big time. Now after the cancellation he says he will announce in a couple days and everyone switches their cb picks to Georgia Tech.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Sucks!

I just meant McCormack guys sorry for the confusion. Seems pretty obvious that something leaked/got out with this big of a crystal ball run.

I really hope that scenario doesn't happen.

Things are heating up in another croooootment. The parts they are a movin'.