Been done for over a month I believe. That's the scuttlebutt now as well. If it wasn't Duke it would have been Arizona or Seton Hall before KU.
BShark
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I wasn't alive for that. All of my feelings are based on 2014 and Jason Lacanfora (sp?).
Always nice to beat up on the Os.
Eeeeyup.
Yeah he ALWAYS wanted Duke. Word was he was waiting on the Duke offer. They ended up whiffing a lot so he got it.
Well looks like Tucker basically committed to Duke the second they told them he could.
I'd feel bad for the Missouri fans hyping themselves up for Romar 2.0 and the Porters, but nah, they are Missouri fans.
Also I'm not trying to use this discussion to demean Bruce as a person, or to pump Self up. Self's tournament issues are what they are, and are unrelated to Bruce entirely. I just think, if I were a KSU fan, I would want better. Of course like KU football, KSU hoops is not a destination job, so maybe they just want someone they can keep around that will sometimes make the tournament.
How is it not relevant? Landing and keeping players is an aspect of running a college basketball program. One that Bruce has proven he isn't very good at.
The fact remains that he hasn't made it past the round of 32 since 2005. Just part of that stretch since 2005 got him ran out of town by a mob with pitchforks that would have seen him land at College of Charleston before KSU bizarrely offered him a job.
@mayjay @tis4tim @approxinfinity
It's not that I hate Bruce, I think he's hilarious. Also, is he not a bad coach? Maybe fundamentally he is alright, but we have seen time and time again his players quit on him. That shouldn't happen. Also he hasn't been out of the round of 32 in the tournament since he had Self's players. NUFF SAID.
I would bet money that the staff would take Dotson's commitment today if he were willing.
Post about him from a W&M grad on the phog. Doesn't paint a pretty picture, but about what I expected honestly. The worst part though is that he lost his starting spot down the stretch.
Yeah I can't help but read it and think wow Bruce is perfect for KSU, absolutely perfect.
Yeah Slater does good work.
As far as Grimes yeah he said good things about every school. Really, he just described the pitch of each school and UK's pitch isn't surprising one bit.
And yeah, these kids don't want to spill the beans early, even in very obvious situations. Part of it is they want other coaches to keep coming to see them, mainly for their teammates that might be fringe D1 guys.
True we can't be 100% on how he will translate. I'd rather have him than not though.
Bagley is basically unguardable, but I'll believe KU is in it if he signs with KU. Arizona or UK seems to be the word.
Love them using footage of the ISU game for EJ. Keep trollin them clones.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark I would classify Dedric as a 5 star, although he was ranked as a 4 star originally.
In terms of his impact definitely. He will likely be more productive than any 2018 post KU could realistically add.
BeddieKU23 said:
KUSTEVE said:
I didn't embrace the Transfer U angle at first, but I am warming up to it. 3 3rd year guys inserted into the lineup next year. 3rd year 5 star inserted into the lineup this year. I'll take those guys over the OADs every time. The last 5 stars that made it to their 3rd year were Perry and Wayne, and that worked out very well for us.
Bingo!
Cunliffe- 2nd yr 4 star as well.
And the next year, adding 43ppg, 20 rbg, 9 apg, 3 spg, 2.5 bpg among the 3 sit-outs. All a year to bond and practice together on the practice squad.. Fans will get over this quickly once they see them all in uniform
What was Self going to do, not fill the roster with talent after missing a few targets?
Also a bit of bird in the hand too. KU is well positioned for 2019 but outside of a few recruits maybe not so much in 2018. Having 4* players on board mitigates the risk. Of course, all you need is a few recruits, so let's hope the staff closes well.
The thing about 5 FR is they typically don't stick around unless they disappoint relative to expectations. Notable exceptions for kids like Perry who have an NBA deficiency. Give Self mostly 2-4 year 4s please.
I wasn't even talking about KU football, though that would be nice. @KUSTEVE posted an article about the quality of football in the Big 12. If the Big 12 is to keep going, football needs to improve. Especially Texas and Oklahoma.
This is from a particular rag that shall not be linked to.
My goodness!
ARTICLE START
One thing Kansas State basketball coach Bruce Weber has learned over the course of his career is that every school has a different recruiting identity.
Southern Illinois isn’t the same as Purdue. Illinois isn’t the same as K-State. That’s why Weber has changed his recruiting emphasis at each stop, targeting and signing different types of players.
“Each place has its own niche,” Weber said. “You have to figure out what that is.”
After five years with the Wildcats, what has Weber identified as K-State’s recruiting niche?
“You find the kids you think are good fits for Kansas State that have some talent,” Weber said. “Rodney McGruder, Wesley Iwundu, D.J. Johnson, guys like that that want to come here and work their tails off and end up being really good players. A couple of them, potentially, are now going to be in the NBA. Those are the type of kids you want to get in the program, players that Kansas State fans are proud of.”
One type of player Weber didn’t mention: high-profile prospects that recruiting services love and other power-conference teams covet.
You won’t find any of those in K-State’s latest recruiting class. All five of the Wildcats’ incoming recruits have something in common: The Wildcats were the only team from a major conference that offered them a scholarship.
Fans tend to celebrate commitments and signings based on two criteria — where the recruiting services rank them and the other schools that want them. Beating Kentucky or Duke for a five-star recruit is much better received than, say, Iona and Weber State for a three-star prospect. Fans have celebrated little with this class.
Levi Stockard, a three-star big man from St. Louis, chose K-State over Xavier, but none of the other incoming players had firm options above the mid-major level. Mike McGuirl, a three-star combo guard from Connecticut, was courted by George Mason, Siena and a host of small schools in the northeast. Nigel Shadd, a three-star forward from Arizona, chose K-State over Weber State, Cal State Fullerton and Pacific.
The Wildcats faced the most competition while recruiting Makol Mawien and Amaad Wainright. Mawien, a 6-9 forward who averaged 8.7 points and 5.8 rebounds at New Mexico Junior College last season, began his college career at Utah. Wainright, one of the nation’s top juco guards and the brother of Baylor standout Ishmail Wainright, received calls from Illinois and LSU after he received a release from his North Texas scholarship.
“There’s no doubt Amaad had a bunch of options at the end,” Weber said. “Being from Kansas City, he really wanted to be close to home. With Makol, we were fortunate he was out in the middle of nowhere. By the time people started to notice him he decided to stick with the guys that had recruited him the whole time.”
K-State also went with mostly under-the-radar recruits in 2016 with Brian Patrick, Cartier Diarra and James Love. Xavier Sneed, a former four-star prospect from St. Louis, was the last recruit K-State signed that received major recruiting interest.
Not that Weber hasn’t been involved with others.
“We can recruit everybody, but who can you get? That’s the biggest key,” Weber said. “We have tried on a lot of those (high-profile) kids, I promise you. We try and we will keep trying, but they have got to want us, too. You have to make your own evaluations and find out who wants to come to K-State.”
Without a stockpile of local talent to recruit, Weber’s recruiting focus has pointed elsewhere in search of players that fit K-State’s recruiting niche. He thinks the Wildcats have done fine with that philosophy.
He is proud of the fact that last season there were nights the leading scorer on five teams — Nigel Johnson (Rutgers), Marcus Foster (Creighton), Tre Harris (SIU-Edwardsville) and Malcolm Hill (Illinois) to go along with K-State’s roster — were signed by or committed to Weber.
Weber spends more time recruiting than most head coaches. He wants to be the first major program to offer a recruit, not the second. He trusts himself and his coaching staff more than recruiting rankings.
“We have done pretty well,” Weber said. “If you look at our classes, we have found some pretty good players.”
He thinks he has found five more.
“We feel really good about this class,” Weber said. “The No. 1 thing we needed was size and we added a lot of it ... Amaad was kind of a bonus at the end. We did a nice job addressing our needs.”
ARTICLE END
Graham Newman Vick is saaaaallllty. Gonna get some buckets.
He was asked to explain Kentucky's pitch and did.
We will see what happens. His mom + Adidas I think will get it done for KU
Well that sucks but good to know.
How about Kansas?
Kansas, they told me how I'm a big priority to them. They definitely want me to get to campus and come to the games. They said they play a lot of guards.
I remember that your mother also had gone there. So, that must help them a little bit.
Yeah, she's fine. She doesn't pressure me at all with Kansas. She wants me to pick the right school, pick whatever's the right fit for me. There's no pressure at all.
Yeah football needs to improve.
Easily Leech's first big offer, maybe his first D1 offer. I know KU offered before his SO year. He is so, so good.
You don't ignore Harvey, JRE or Berry. You take their commitments today if they want to give them.
The crystal ball is not to be trusted.
That said KU is very strong with Leech and JRE. Hurt I could see going many other places, like say Duke. I'll say it right now KU can't take JRE, Chandler Lawson and Matt Hurt.
In my perfect world KU gets Jacobs (duh), Harvey, Leech, JRE and Chandler Lawson. Any bigger class than that I think we need to be closer to 19 to see how many scholarships are available.
After Ayton I will never say any recruit is in the bag until they are signed, sealed, on campus... But KU is in super deep with Grimes. It would be a true shocker.
If Grimes isn't closed I don't even...
Could live w/o Dotson though he has been hooping out lately. Grimes/Carey is an extremely good pairing. Would be looking at a guard rotation of Grimes/Moore/Carey/Garrett/Cunliffe. Fire.
Definitely seems like Duke will lock up McCormack.
Like what I'm reading there. Outside of McCormack, doesn't seem like KU and Duke are playing much in the same pool for 18.
And ya I'd love to see KU close Carey early.
LOL if St Johns gets Reid and Muhammed.
Yeah and Newman and Vick aren't drivers either. Garrett could become one, but I don't think that comes to fruition next year. Going to have to get open threes next year as much by feeding Doke as attempting to drive.
The front court should be loads better. Though maybe not totally if you count Josh as a front court player. If we are only counting Landen and other actual post players it's no contest. It will take Doke and Preston a bit to get going I think, and Preston will drive Self nuts when he loafs on the perimeter (watch playoff Lebron please Billy). The son of TJ Whatley looks like a capable back-up 4/5 which is far more than we can have said about anyone on last year's roster. I really hope Mitch takes a RS.
In general Preston intrigues me with how he will fit.
It's in the tweet linked to in the first post.
jayballer54 said:
Jaylen Carey has listed top 10. - - - -Syracuse, Norte Dame, Rutgers, Miami, Florida, Seton Hall, Indiana, U Conn, Temple, & KU.
Might not be to bad of a quality 4 year player 2018. I don't know but from the list of ten, looks like at first glance might be kind of hard pulling him off the East Coast. Whaaa, like 7-10 on the Eastern third?
Only KU - -Indiana right we shall see I guess what plays out. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Mentioned him a bit back. If KU presses (and they should imo) I think he would commit. He's a top 50 talent, so he might not be a 4 year player (perhaps 3). He likes KU and Norm. Norm running point on him of course.
If anyone wants a nice negative read on KU recruiting tonto (known troll, also has a separate account pretending to be a UK fan that he trolls UK fans with) put up a thread on the shiver. Just such typical tonto. KU will get no one in 2018 or 2019. Time to cancel the program @BeddieKU23
Statmachine said:
@Kcmatt7 I think the talent level at UT is perfectly fine. The fact of the matter they have the talent that SOME posters on this board drool about. Top 100 talent that will stay four years. They have 10 or so 4 star guys on their roster! What more can you ask for?
They could ask for a coach that has a clue. They had 2 NBA players last year which isn't bad, but no PG.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Statmachine We will have NBA type talent at all 5 starting positions for the first time in a really long time. This is a better constructed roster than people realize.
Although, I do get what @KUSTEVE is saying. Problem is and always will be that when UT sucks and can't even recruit Texas than the Big XII will look weak.
UT is swimming in cash, yet they can't field a good basketball team. Shaka was a bad hire. With all the money in the world, they couldn't steal a Sean Miller from Arizona?
UT athletics is a mess. Until they get their shit together the Big XII will suffer. Especially in the next round of TV negotiations.
It's a great roster, with GREAT practice depth because of the transfers.
Yeah UT...I wouldn't mind if they were better. If losing the conference title a couple times to UT meant the league would improve in general and KU would be better tested for March I'd take that.
BeddieKU23 said:
Good point, I think as you mentioned Self recruited all these transfers to prevent the down year. He knew that years of putting guys in the league was going to come back at some point and after this year with the graduation of Graham he's at a true turning point for the "old recruiting" methods.
Today's landscape has changed and these guys who have D-1 experience, talent, and a sit-out year are going to be better players for KU outside of the Zion/Bagley/Barrett trio. It's a gamble either way but we should be rewarded in the end
Yep. Assuming KU lands Grimes and another guard (Carey, Dotson, whoever) it really lets Self ease in the multi-year guard instead of having to trot them out there for 30+ minutes a game.
Jaybate is 70?
Agree. I mentioned in a thread on the shiver that I'll worry more when the on court product starts slipping.
BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don't seem to care much about anybody else.
Yes, Duke & Arizona have spots open. Even Kentucky could take him at this point even though they never were in it for him (which is the most shocking part of this kids entire recruitment).
There are a lot of imcomplete rosters still even in the 2nd week of May.
Yet people are bitching about Self, KU's recruiting etc...